**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 07 02:59:58 2014
Jan 07 03:15:08 <scoutcamper> holy crap: http://www.theverge.com/2014/1/6/5282472/intel-announces-edison-a-computer-the-size-of-an-sd-card
Jan 07 04:17:59 * DougReeder waves hello
Jan 07 04:19:41 <DougReeder> I'm trying to import the latest emulator into VirtualBox, but I get the error "too many IDE controllers in OVF import facility only supports one"
Jan 07 04:20:05 <DougReeder> Should I try an older Emulator image or a newer VirtualBox?
Jan 07 04:20:57 <DougReeder> I'm running Virtual Box 3.1.6 on OS X 10.6.8
Jan 07 04:25:12 <cobblemonster> aim using virtual box 4.4.3.6  and it running on it n
Jan 07 04:25:16 <cobblemonster> a
Jan 07 04:25:47 <cobblemonster> and got the lates ,
Jan 07 04:26:01 <DougReeder> I see the latest VB is 4.3.6
Jan 07 04:26:10 <cobblemonster> yes
Jan 07 04:26:58 <DougReeder> ...but I vaguely remember issues with VB and webOS, so I'm cautious
Jan 07 04:27:29 <cobblemonster> down loaded the emu  two day ago so I up date VB
Jan 07 04:27:33 <DougReeder> cobblemonster are you running os x 10.6 ?
Jan 07 04:27:54 <cobblemonster> no windows 8.1 64 bit
Jan 07 04:28:31 <DougReeder> I guess i should try the latest before asking for help
Jan 07 04:31:47 <cobblemonster> the only thing wrong with the 4.3 is that the old palm emu will not install but VB will run it after you up date
Jan 07 04:32:34 <DougReeder> Well, I still have the old ones installed, so I'm good, right?
Jan 07 04:33:15 <cobblemonster> yes from what I have found
Jan 07 04:34:44 <DougReeder> I'd rather not lose the old emulators, though I do all my app dev on devices now.
Jan 07 04:35:56 <DougReeder> ok, the VM is starting!
Jan 07 04:38:38 <DougReeder> Is the 1st launch email account setup supposed to work? i wind up with a blank card.
Jan 07 04:40:05 <DougReeder> oh, wait, no Accounts, so no.
Jan 07 04:40:22 <DougReeder> Odd that 1st launch tries to do it.
Jan 07 04:46:15 <DougReeder> palm-install doesn't recognize the emulator - what tool does one installnappsnwith?
Jan 07 05:08:33 <cobblemonster> I here that you have to ssh in to it then I think it has some to do with opkg install but I never got it to work not a linux person yet
Jan 07 05:15:37 <cobblemonster> ssh -p 5522 root@localhost the wiki says
Jan 07 05:59:16 <morphis> morning
Jan 07 06:39:14 <Herrie> morphis: morning
Jan 07 07:14:42 <hrtsea> afternoon
Jan 07 09:29:09 <Garfonso> morning
Jan 07 10:14:08 <Tofe> morning
Jan 07 10:49:33 <Herrie|Work|Veer> morphis: ping
Jan 07 10:50:49 <Herrie|Work|Veer> Seems like we have someone volunteering to help :) HTML, CSS and graphics guy.... Seeing Isandunk and Appstache don't seem around, do we need any help with Graphics recreation? Seems like we have tons pending still?
Jan 07 10:57:49 <Herrie|Work|Veer> Is there anything I can ask the guy to work on with priority?
Jan 07 11:04:21 <Herrie|Work|Veer> I guess we could use the pending app icons and graphics as well as some Luna bits? Not sure which Luna bits we need first?
Jan 07 12:43:52 <Garfonso> also someone could revisit the Settings UI of Preware, add a simliar UI for managing feeds, something for installing packages from filesystem (probably needs some background stuff, too, will look into that, soon), make the search working and maybe also make the package display a bit nicer to look at. ;)
Jan 07 12:48:49 <Herrie|Work|Veer> Might be able to get Roshan look at that later. Roshan is still working on PDF app now and fixing a Memos bug on legacy :)
Jan 07 12:49:54 <JaMa> morphis: can you extend changelog with changes you've pushed for 10?
Jan 07 12:50:02 <JaMa> morphis: builds are finished now
Jan 07 17:18:23 <morphis> morning
Jan 07 17:27:48 <HaDAk> morning
Jan 07 17:34:22 <JaMa> morphis: moin
Jan 07 17:34:22 <JaMa> 13:50:04 <+JaMa> morphis: can you extend changelog with changes you've pushed for 10?
Jan 07 17:34:51 <morphis> for sure
Jan 07 17:40:32 <Herrie> morphis: saw my questions?
Jan 07 17:40:51 <morphis> Herrie: no, sadly my bouncer seems to loose the history again ..
Jan 07 17:41:01 <morphis> JaMa: should I bump the platformVersion too?
Jan 07 17:41:11 <JaMa> I think so
Jan 07 17:41:40 <morphis> ok
Jan 07 17:42:01 <morphis> done
Jan 07 17:43:25 <morphis> Herrie: can you repeat them?
Jan 07 17:46:46 <Herrie> Jan 07 10:50:49 <Herrie|Work|Veer> Seems like we have someone volunteering to help :) HTML, CSS and graphics guy.... Seeing Isandunk and Appstache don't seem around, do we need any help with Graphics recreation? Seems like we have tons pending still?
Jan 07 17:46:46 <Herrie> Jan 07 10:57:49 <Herrie|Work|Veer> Is there anything I can ask the guy to work on with priority?
Jan 07 17:46:47 <Herrie> Jan 07 11:04:21 <Herrie|Work|Veer> I guess we could use the pending app icons and graphics as well as some Luna bits? Not sure which Luna bits we need first?
Jan 07 17:57:48 <Herrie> HaDAk: Ping
Jan 07 18:01:28 <HaDAk> Herrie: pong
Jan 07 18:02:54 <Herrie> Did you start already on this PDF icon? If not, I might mock up something myself :P
Jan 07 18:06:43 <JaMa> morphis: thanks, stage 10 closed, I'll try to finish qt5 upgrade to 11
Jan 07 18:07:00 <morphis> thanks
Jan 07 18:07:09 <morphis> JaMa: is it already working for you?
Jan 07 18:07:29 <morphis> Herrie: puuh that are good questions
Jan 07 18:07:34 <JaMa> morphis: found issue in qtbase/cmake now working on qtwebkit/icu failure
Jan 07 18:07:36 <morphis> Tofe: any idea?
Jan 07 18:07:53 <morphis> JaMa: I saw in the recent changs to qtwebkit some changes related to icu
Jan 07 18:08:15 <JaMa> morphis: with upstream master I had issue that webkit wasn't linking with icu correctly and I had to explicitly add 2 libicu* libs
Jan 07 18:08:24 <morphis> ok
Jan 07 18:08:34 <JaMa> morphis: in wp build it's vice versa it complains that these added libs aren't available (but they are in sysroot)
Jan 07 18:08:51 <JaMa> could be dora/master difference though
Jan 07 18:10:17 <morphis> possible
Jan 07 18:12:17 <HaDAk> Herrie: i started this morning. have nothing to show.
Jan 07 18:12:21 <HaDAk> Herrie: it takes time.
Jan 07 18:12:26 <Herrie> LOL :P
Jan 07 18:12:35 <Herrie> OK :D
Jan 07 18:12:38 <HaDAk> you can't rush the creative process.
Jan 07 18:12:47 <HaDAk> it's not like you're releasing right now. put a placeholder in.
Jan 07 18:13:00 <HaDAk> i have a day job too, ya know :P
Jan 07 18:13:03 <Herrie> True ;) Well copy & paste from somewhere would do :P Just need to take care of licensing :P
Jan 07 18:13:16 <Herrie> I'm not OS expert when it comes to GPL, LGPL etc
Jan 07 18:13:20 <Herrie> What can be used and not
Jan 07 18:13:43 <Tofe> morphis: about html/css/graphics works ?
Jan 07 18:14:19 <HaDAk> Herrie: just make an icon in gimp that says "PDF" and put it in as a placeholder
Jan 07 18:14:26 <HaDAk> Herrie: i'll get you something better "soon"
Jan 07 18:15:11 <morphis> Tofe: yeah
Jan 07 18:15:39 <Tofe> morphis: well, I didn't look at the status of our apps for quite a while, so hard to say for that part
Jan 07 18:15:59 <Tofe> I've heard that the preware2 app could get some love
Jan 07 18:16:14 <morphis> Herrie: getting a concept for the phone app would be a good app
Jan 07 18:16:31 <Herrie> Well the guy volunteering, is not very experienced in javascript, feels more comfortable in graphics
Jan 07 18:16:40 <Herrie> Roshan is covering PDF and Memos
Jan 07 18:17:27 <HaDAk> so, if we've got a guy volunteering to do it, do you still need ME to tackle it?
Jan 07 18:17:39 <Herrie> There's tons pending on http://webos-ports.org/wiki/Graphics_Work, not sure what we'd need first... I guess Roshan could work on Phone app next... PDF app seems to be working quite OK already. Still needs some love, but looking promising ;)
Jan 07 18:17:59 <Herrie> HaDAk: Ehm no... Guy volunteered after I asked you y'day :P
Jan 07 18:18:24 <Herrie> I can do something myself if someone can give me guidelines what licenses I'm allowed to incorporate in our project ;)
Jan 07 18:18:29 <HaDAk> ok. so, if you don't need me. let him to it? :)
Jan 07 18:20:11 <HaDAk> Isandunk's icons need a bigger terminal on the top of the batteries, imo
Jan 07 18:20:11 <Herrie> Either way works as long as we get some :) I'd prefer you to focus on keyboard then :D
Jan 07 18:20:21 <HaDAk> i thought the keyboard was ready to go
Jan 07 18:20:28 <Herrie> Not sure?
Jan 07 18:20:33 <Herrie> I thought you were still working on it?
Jan 07 18:20:40 <Herrie> Or you're done already :D ?
Jan 07 18:20:54 <HaDAk> finished a few weeks ago
Jan 07 18:21:06 <Herrie> Ah ok :) Missed that then, sorry :D
Jan 07 18:21:14 <HaDAk> hasn't it made it into recent builds?
Jan 07 18:22:07 <HaDAk> http://webos-ports.org/images/e/eb/Loading-strip%404x.png
Jan 07 18:22:12 <HaDAk> there's a visual inconsistency here
Jan 07 18:22:34 <HaDAk> the 15th one has a highlight that covers the background where it shouldn't
Jan 07 18:22:38 <Herrie> Didn't check tbh lateely
Jan 07 18:22:44 <HaDAk> appstache submitted that
Jan 07 18:28:03 <Herrie> I can fix that LOL
Jan 07 18:28:59 <HaDAk> :)
Jan 07 18:29:06 <Herrie> Fixed now
Jan 07 18:29:13 <Herrie> CTRL+F5 that one
Jan 07 18:29:19 <HaDAk> you broke another part.
Jan 07 18:29:23 <Herrie> Oops broke something else
Jan 07 18:29:32 <HaDAk> 10th one
Jan 07 18:29:34 <HaDAk> ;)
Jan 07 18:29:40 * HaDAk is awesome at pixels
Jan 07 18:31:03 * Tofe is doing F5 every 5 seconds
Jan 07 18:31:11 <Tofe> great now
Jan 07 18:31:27 <Tofe> pfuuu that took time
Jan 07 18:31:32 <Herrie> Of fixed :P
Jan 07 18:31:35 <Herrie> Ok fixed
Jan 07 18:35:13 <HaDAk> better :)
Jan 07 18:35:52 <Herrie> Which of the following licenses can we incorporate? GNU LGPL, GPL, Linkware, Freeware, CC Attribution 3.0, Creative Commons Attribution (by), Freeware Non-commercial?
Jan 07 18:36:15 <i2y4n> Did the emulator staging feeds change urls?  http://build.webos-ports.org/webos-ports-staging/wip/images/qemux86/ is giving me a 404 error
Jan 07 18:37:04 <Tofe> Herrie: GPLv3 is already there, at least
Jan 07 18:37:13 <Herrie> http://build.webos-ports.org/webos-ports-staging/latest/images/qemux86/
Jan 07 18:37:55 <Tofe> for the rest, morphis should be involved :)
Jan 07 18:37:57 <JaMa> i2y4n: wip stands for work in progress
Jan 07 18:37:57 <morphis> i2y4n: we merge the latest stage so wip is empty again
Jan 07 18:38:06 <morphis> s/merge/merged/
Jan 07 18:38:19 <JaMa> and now all work in progress was merged to latest
Jan 07 18:38:45 <i2y4n> Thank you, I didn't see that new link on the wiki.
Jan 07 18:39:53 <i2y4n> ah, makes sense
Jan 07 18:45:35 <HaDAk> morphis: do you know if that latest emu img includes the keyboard stuff?
Jan 07 18:45:52 <morphis> HaDAk: it does
Jan 07 18:45:58 <HaDAk> nice. downloading now, then.
Jan 07 18:46:15 <HaDAk> it'll be nice to replace my old image
Jan 07 18:46:21 <HaDAk> also, good god it's cold in here
Jan 07 19:52:36 <Garfonso> Herrie: Licenses depends a bit of what you want to release under.. my rule of thumb would be if you plan to release under GPL, you can include most of the other open source licenses without issues. (Some more detailed description of that: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html ). It's more difficult if you want to use something else than GPL and you
Jan 07 19:52:36 <Garfonso> want to include GPL stuff.
Jan 07 20:08:38 <Herrie> Ok thnx that's helpful!
Jan 07 20:22:53 <Herrie> Which icon you guys like best for PDF app? http://www.iconarchive.com/show/oxygen-icons-by-oxygen-icons.org/Mimetypes-application-pdf-icon.html, http://www.iconarchive.com/show/blueprint-icons-by-double-j-design/adobe-blueprint-pdf-symbol-icon.html or http://www.iconarchive.com/show/blueprint-icons-by-double-j-design/adobe-blueprint-pdf-icon.html ? I can make one based on these and combine
Jan 07 20:22:53 <Herrie> it with our standard app icon :)
Jan 07 20:24:09 <HaDAk> http://www.iconarchive.com/show/oxygen-icons-by-oxygen-icons.org/Mimetypes-application-pdf-icon.html
Jan 07 20:24:16 <HaDAk> fits the style of the memos app.
Jan 07 20:24:26 <HaDAk> add two pages behind it, spread out, and the shaded circle… bam.
Jan 07 21:26:08 <JaMa> morphis: last 2 to fix :)
Jan 07 21:26:09 <JaMa>   /OE/build/wpb/webos-ports/meta-webos-ports/recipes-webos/webapp-launcher/webapp-launcher.bb, do_compile
Jan 07 21:26:13 <JaMa>   /OE/build/wpb/webos-ports/meta-webos-ports/recipes-webos/apps/org.webosports.app.browser.bb, do_compile
Jan 08 02:52:22 * DougReeder waves hello
Jan 08 02:53:15 <DougReeder> I have the Emulator running, but I'm not sure it's working as expected - no preinstalled app runs usefully, and installs always fail.
Jan 08 02:53:22 <DougReeder> How do I run the automated tests?
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