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Jan 16 05:48:29 <Herrie> morning
Jan 16 05:48:31 <Herrie> morphis: ping
Jan 16 05:56:18 <Herrie> morphis: From Roshan: "Worth noting, the service will not be automatically called on Ports Emulator because enyo.platform doesn't return a valid platform string for Emulator. It will only call the service when the platform is webos. So it defaults to serving the hard coded sample files packaged with the app in the assets folder. I figured until services start working AND ports emulator
Jan 16 05:56:18 <Herrie> start including a few sample PDFs somewhere public like /media/internal its better to service the sample files to help testing PDF rendering part at least.
Jan 16 05:56:18 <Herrie> "
Jan 16 05:56:42 <Herrie> I guess that is a quite quick and easy fix for you?
Jan 16 06:26:04 <hrtsea> the image in the wip can boot on Gnexus
Jan 16 07:05:57 <Herrie> hrtsea: morphis is trying to fix it
Jan 16 07:08:38 <Herrie> morphis/JaMa: What I need to update in order to make sure that latest code gets included in builds for the apps? I did something last time but I missed a step somewhere, so want to make sure I do it properly ;)
Jan 16 07:08:43 <Herrie> https://github.com/webOS-ports/meta-webos-ports/tree/master/recipes-webos/apps ?
Jan 16 07:10:34 <Herrie> Or something else as well?
Jan 16 07:22:21 <Herrie> Roy___: Seeing you guys are out in the open again with webOS, maybe a blog update for OWO would be nice :P
Jan 16 08:39:08 <morphis> Herrie: I will check the enyo.platform thing
Jan 16 08:39:24 <morphis> Herrie: for the apps where no service is added you just have to bump the SRCREV
Jan 16 08:44:54 <Herrie|Work|Veer> morphis: thnx, only in recipes-webos/apps or elsewhere too?
Jan 16 08:45:35 <Herrie|Work|Veer> pdf app adds service, what we need to do for that? Seems that Enyo 2.3 offers significant speed improvements :) PDF app is usable on my Veer :)
Jan 16 08:48:08 <morphis> Herrie|Work|Veer: even loading the pdf pages?
Jan 16 08:48:37 <morphis> Herrie|Work|Veer: I will take care about updating the pdf app
Jan 16 08:54:29 <Garfonso> morning
Jan 16 08:56:43 <morphis> Garfonso: morning
Jan 16 08:58:38 <Herrie|Work|Veer> Yes seems fair enough speed and scrolling is fine too :) Veer's screen size doesn't help but works well. Takes a little while (2-3 seconds) to parse the page but a spinner is shown. Should be a lot faster on TP, Pre3 and Nexus devices :)
Jan 16 09:02:16 <Herrie|Work|Veer> Still could use some more features (search for text, zoom to 100% or screen size options) but it's a good start :)
Jan 16 09:02:22 <Garfonso> how about releasing it to the preware feeds?
Jan 16 09:03:08 <Herrie|Work|Veer> Was thinking about that too including updated memo's app :)
Jan 16 09:03:24 <Herrie|Work|Veer> Not sure what is needed to do that?
Jan 16 09:05:34 <Herrie|Work|Veer> Would be good to get some things out to community to play with and spark interest :)
Jan 16 09:10:09 <Herrie|Work|Veer> Garfonso: you had a chance to play with it already?
Jan 16 09:19:26 <Garfonso> did not find time, yet.
Jan 16 09:41:59 <Herrie|Work|Veer> Ah OK :)
Jan 16 09:42:32 <Herrie|Work|Veer> Finishing up Graphics page today, think it's 80% done now still need to add the missing Luna bits :)
Jan 16 11:19:42 <Herrie|Work|Veer> Ok finally done, all graphics are in there more or less :) Tofe/morphis, anything you need urgently? I guess we need Settings app icon, Update app icon and some of the status bar items for connection?
Jan 16 12:04:46 <morphis> Herrie: right
Jan 16 15:21:35 <Tofe> morphis: is there something special I have to take into account when developping my little qt/qml app for the update ?
Jan 16 15:21:59 <Tofe> I don't plan to pop up secondary windows, so that's ok
Jan 16 15:24:18 <morphis> it will be running without compositor
Jan 16 15:24:28 <morphis> so just develop a normal app
Jan 16 15:24:55 <Tofe> morphis: ok, good, that's what I'm doing.
Jan 16 15:25:39 <morphis> good
Jan 16 15:35:38 <Herrie|Work> Just for my understanding: Why will this one be QT/QML and no Enyo 2?
Jan 16 15:36:57 <Tofe> Herrie|Work: I guess it is to be able to be as much independant from what we are updating as possible, but I'm not sure
Jan 16 15:37:45 <Tofe> Herrie|Work: other guess is I can't do Enyo 2 ;)
Jan 16 15:38:37 <Herrie|Work> Well independant makes sense ;) Though Enyo2 is included with the apps not really as a framework like legacy, but can still make sens ;)
Jan 16 15:38:40 <Herrie|Work> +e
Jan 16 15:44:32 <morphis> Herrie: it's faster and more the right thing for the job it should do :)
Jan 16 15:44:51 <morphis> using enyo2 would mean some overhead we don't really need at this place
Jan 16 15:45:23 <morphis> JaMa: after the current builds are done we can do a new stage
Jan 16 15:46:10 <JaMa> morphis: can you do changelog update? I remember only that ls2 fix
Jan 16 15:46:34 <morphis> JaMa: for sure
Jan 16 15:46:52 <JaMa> and any news about that qt5 issue on gnexus you told me about?
Jan 16 15:49:14 <morphis> no
Jan 16 15:49:19 <morphis> didn't had the time to debug this
Jan 16 15:50:46 <JaMa> ok, no rush I was just curious, thanks
Jan 16 15:51:24 <morphis> changelog is pushed
Jan 16 15:52:13 <morphis> I am really interested if the system update works really :)
Jan 16 15:52:49 <morphis> so once stage 11 is out we should really push 12 too to see if it works as it should
Jan 16 15:59:14 <JaMa> push to public feed right?
Jan 16 15:59:15 <Herrie|Pre3> Morphine, can you push the new memo and PDF update as well to be included in the new build? I won't have time till later tonight.
Jan 16 15:59:28 <JaMa> or is updating from staging feeds implemented as well?
Jan 16 15:59:44 <Herrie|Pre3> morphis, damn autocorrect is still on on my Pre 3 :P
Jan 16 16:00:07 <morphis> JaMa: no, just updating from public feed
Jan 16 16:00:24 <morphis> Herrie|Pre3: I will take care about that
Jan 16 16:01:45 <morphis> JaMa: just kernel updates are not yet included
Jan 16 16:04:08 <Herrie|Pre3> morphis: thnx
Jan 16 16:04:10 <JaMa> only for maguro, right?
Jan 16 16:04:43 <JaMa> maguro is still waiting in queue so maybe we should just bump it in layers.conf
Jan 16 16:13:00 <morphis> JaMa: I meant updating the flash kernel as part of the system update
Jan 16 16:13:16 <JaMa> IC
Jan 16 18:12:47 <Herrie> morphis/Tofe: Without Touchstone, will we still need Dockmode for now? Or we'll remove that for the time being until inductive charging becomes the norm again?
Jan 16 19:04:35 <Herrie> Emu is working again :D
Jan 16 19:05:26 <morphis> Herrie: :)
Jan 16 20:12:59 <Herrie> Now need to figure out how to install stuff on it and debug ;)
Jan 16 20:13:32 <Herrie> But that's in the wiki somewhere ;)
Jan 16 20:13:40 <Herrie> Would be good if we could use palm-install again ;)
Jan 16 20:21:35 <morphis> Herrie: we need some replacement for palm-install
Jan 16 20:28:07 <morphis> Herrie: basically palm-launch/palm-install etc are simple to implement
Jan 16 20:28:17 <morphis> palm-install would look like:
Jan 16 20:28:28 <morphis> adb push my-app.ipk /tmp/my-app.ipk
Jan 16 20:28:59 <morphis> adb shell luna-send -n 10 -f luna://com.palm.appInstaller/installNoVerify '{"target":"/tmp/my-app.ipk"}'
Jan 16 20:29:14 <morphis> for the emulator replace adb with scp/ssh
Jan 16 20:32:44 <morphis> HaDAk, Herrie, Garfonso: so if any of you have some time to wrap up such scripts just do it :)
Jan 16 20:33:42 <Tofe> morphis: https://github.com/webOS-ports/webos-system-update/pull/1 <-- let's go. But currently it doesn't do anything special, and it needs to be stripped down of all the default Qt targets that are included by default
Jan 16 20:33:51 <morphis> right
Jan 16 20:33:55 <morphis> and the *.desktop files
Jan 16 20:34:37 <morphis> merged
Jan 16 20:35:52 <Tofe> thx
Jan 16 20:35:54 <HaDAk> what?
Jan 16 20:35:56 <HaDAk> what'd i do?
Jan 16 20:36:27 <HaDAk> oh
Jan 16 20:36:40 <HaDAk> i could write that script pretty quickly.
Jan 16 20:36:49 <HaDAk> i could write it WELL a bit slower.
Jan 16 20:39:34 <morphis> HaDAk: simply a replacement for palm-install/palm-launch
Jan 16 20:39:43 <morphis> maybe with the same command line parameters
Jan 16 20:39:46 <HaDAk> you mean palm-run?
Jan 16 20:39:56 <morphis> was it palm-run? maybe
Jan 16 20:39:58 <HaDAk> :)
Jan 16 20:40:13 <HaDAk> i've got a few errands to run later. i'll put it on my todo list. you don't need it *now* do you?
Jan 16 20:40:27 <morphis> right
Jan 16 20:40:29 <HaDAk> i think i still have to flash my nexus7 with the latest image, anyway. the last one i launched didn't work.
Jan 16 20:40:38 <morphis> it would be just nice to have it for people coming around
Jan 16 20:40:48 <morphis> HaDAk: recent images should work again
Jan 16 20:41:15 <morphis> Tofe: btw. on first boot the keyboard always doesn't work
Jan 16 20:43:32 <Tofe> morphis: ah, that's not good
Jan 16 20:43:41 <morphis> yes
Jan 16 20:44:01 <Tofe> must be the BootLoader thingy that gets in the way of the keyboard overlay surface, smthg like that
Jan 16 20:44:39 <morphis> possible
Jan 16 20:45:27 <Tofe> morphis: trello card added
Jan 16 20:45:43 <morphis> Tofe: thanks
Jan 16 20:45:47 <Tofe> what's the yellow tag for ?
Jan 16 20:45:54 <morphis> it's a task
Jan 16 20:45:58 <morphis> red is a bug
Jan 16 20:46:11 <Tofe> labeled as bug.
Jan 16 20:46:19 <morphis> Tofe: you remember why you commented https://github.com/webOS-ports/webos-keyboard/blob/master/src/plugin/keyboardsettings.cpp#L57?
Jan 16 20:47:05 <JaMa> morphis: stage 11 closed, should I merge them to public now?
Jan 16 20:47:06 <Tofe> morphis: yes, I thought that there was such signal in Qt for the settings... but no. I was disappointed.
Jan 16 20:47:19 <morphis> JaMa: yes please
Jan 16 20:47:32 <JaMa> 10+11 going to public now
Jan 16 20:47:37 <Tofe> morphis: One has to insert a file monitor and so on, to do the same.
Jan 16 20:47:47 <morphis> Tofe: hm
Jan 16 20:47:52 <morphis> how was it done in ubuntu?
Jan 16 20:47:59 <Tofe> it was using gsettings
Jan 16 20:48:00 <morphis> didn't they used QSettings too?
Jan 16 20:48:02 <morphis> ah
Jan 16 20:48:56 <morphis> Tofe: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.1/qtcore/qsettings.html#sync
Jan 16 20:49:34 <Tofe> ah yes, I must have skipped "it is called at regular intervals"
Jan 16 20:50:31 <Tofe> but we still don't know when they are changed by a sync
Jan 16 20:50:53 <morphis> right
Jan 16 20:51:26 <morphis> will rework this this weekend as I want an option in settings to disable predictive etc.
Jan 16 20:51:48 <Tofe> sure
Jan 16 20:53:00 <morphis> Garfonso: any news on the not working preware (not loading the feeds)
Jan 16 20:53:04 <morphis> Tofe: created a card for this
Jan 16 20:54:24 <morphis> JaMa: you have time to look at https://trello.com/c/ll0TtEGZ?
Jan 16 20:55:21 <Herrie|Laptop> morpis: Roshan updated Calculator as well, just merged the change for Enyo 2.3
Jan 16 20:56:54 <morphis> Herrie|Laptop: saw that
Jan 16 20:57:03 <morphis> Herrie|Laptop: I will update all apps tomorrow or on saturday
Jan 16 20:57:39 <JaMa> morphis: not today, but I'll think about it
Jan 16 20:57:50 <morphis> JaMa: no problem, it's not urgent
Jan 16 20:57:53 <morphis> just something I saw today
Jan 16 20:58:22 <Herrie|Laptop> Thnx, would be good if it could be included in a build shortly :)
Jan 16 20:58:58 <morphis> for sure
Jan 16 20:59:54 <Herrie|Laptop> I'm happy to do it myself, just need to know where ;) So I can do it going forward too ;)
Jan 16 21:00:15 <Herrie|Laptop> I did something last time, but then I forgot another step somewhere, at least seemed like it... Because JaMa had to correct something
Jan 16 21:00:19 <Herrie|Laptop> Git n00b here
Jan 16 21:00:35 <morphis> Herrie|Laptop: mainly it's just exchanging the SRCREV value
Jan 16 21:00:48 <morphis> use the current HEAD of the app repo and put it in there
Jan 16 21:01:00 <Herrie|Laptop> OK
Jan 16 21:01:06 <morphis> but for the pdf app (as it contains now a service) we have to do some more work
Jan 16 21:01:15 <morphis> which I can do tomorrow
Jan 16 21:01:25 <morphis> if you prefer the SRCREV bump I will base my changes on top
Jan 16 21:01:45 <Herrie|Laptop> Would be good if we can do the SCREV bump already for the others
Jan 16 21:02:26 <Herrie|Laptop> Maybe even for pdf so we can debug more?
Jan 16 21:02:56 <morphis> Herrie|Laptop: just do it for all apps which need an update
Jan 16 21:03:06 <morphis> I will take your work, test and push it
Jan 16 21:03:34 <Herrie|Laptop> OK, I guess we need a new repo for the file manager as well?
Jan 16 21:04:19 <Herrie|Laptop> Jan created it now at his own GH, but I guess we could create something called org.webosports.app.filemgr?
Jan 16 21:05:43 <morphis> Herrie|Laptop: depends if we want it as core app or not
Jan 16 21:06:14 <morphis> it can also just go into the preware feeds for which we need candidates to test
Jan 16 21:06:25 <Herrie|Laptop> Don't know? I think a file mgr is good to have?
Jan 16 21:06:42 <Herrie|Laptop> Its the first thing most webOS users will install besides Preware I guess :P
Jan 16 21:06:51 <Herrie|Laptop> But yeah can be in the feed
Jan 16 21:06:59 <Herrie|Laptop> But would be good to have a repo @ ports?
Jan 16 21:08:06 <morphis> ka6sox: what do you think?
Jan 16 21:08:13 <morphis> I have to leave
Jan 16 21:08:16 <morphis> it's pretty late
Jan 16 21:08:59 <Herrie|Laptop> ka6sox is not around it seems... I'll ping him an emai and cc you
Jan 16 21:09:12 <Herrie|Laptop> Have a few other items for him too... Just need to remember what ;)
Jan 16 21:09:37 <morphis> :)
Jan 16 21:09:37 <morphis> gn8
Jan 16 22:41:37 <Garfonso> morphis / Herrie|Laptop: a filemgr service would be a good thing to have. Like some standard way to access files from webapps, which was missing in legacy webOS.
Jan 16 22:44:58 <Garfonso> so, maybe make it a system service with a well defined filemgr interface and add the filemgr app as system app, too and as example for file access.
Jan 17 02:56:11 <dkirker> Garfonso: For web apps, I think something that is based on http://www.w3.org/TR/file-system-api/ is probably appropriate. I believe this is a proposal. Not sure if WebKit has it. They are adding it to Chrome.
Jan 17 02:56:49 <dkirker> We should create an Enyo kind for Enyo apps.
Jan 17 02:58:26 <dkirker> hmm, though... Here it says that it is not on a standards track... https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/LocalFileSystem
Jan 17 02:58:33 <dkirker> and WebKit no worky :'(
Jan 17 02:59:36 <dkirker> However... This says differently: http://caniuse.com/filesystem
Jan 17 02:59:45 <dkirker> guess I am the WebKit guy for this stuff, eh? :P
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