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Jun 05 04:42:58 <morphis> Saijin_Naib: sounds like a candidate to me
Jun 05 04:43:07 <Saijin_Naib> Hey Morphis
Jun 05 04:43:15 <Saijin_Naib> Do you know if the 512mb of RAM will be a limitation?
Jun 05 04:44:47 <morphis> it can get a problem
Jun 05 04:45:00 <morphis> currently we're not really trying to optimize our ram usage
Jun 05 04:45:37 <morphis> so each webapp produces two processing taking some memory
Jun 05 04:45:45 <morphis> s/processing/processes/
Jun 05 04:46:31 <morphis> Saijin_Naib: it could be too low
Jun 05 04:47:13 <Saijin_Naib> Ahh, okay
Jun 05 04:47:14 <morphis> but it's nothing we can't optimize
Jun 05 04:47:27 <Saijin_Naib> Right. Optimiziation comes later after things are developed, right?
Jun 05 04:48:03 <morphis> sadly,yes
Jun 05 04:48:16 <Saijin_Naib> Nothing wrong with that
Jun 05 04:48:28 <morphis> I am also not sure if we switch back to a central webappmanager approach instead of a webapp-launcher
Jun 05 04:48:43 <Saijin_Naib> I'm not familiar with the difference between the two approaches
Jun 05 04:50:55 <morphis> Saijin_Naib: what legacy webOS had was just one process which was the webappmanager
Jun 05 04:51:01 <Saijin_Naib> Ahh, okay
Jun 05 04:51:07 <morphis> now that we're using webkit2 we have a multi process model
Jun 05 04:51:12 <morphis> so one process per webpage
Jun 05 04:51:14 <Saijin_Naib> And if the webapp hung, it could make it unstable, right?
Jun 05 04:51:19 <morphis> right
Jun 05 04:51:26 <morphis> what we have right now is that
Jun 05 04:51:46 <morphis> we launch for every webapp one managing process and one process handling the webpage
Jun 05 04:52:00 <Saijin_Naib> Okay, makes sense I guess
Jun 05 04:52:04 <morphis> we could optimize this to be one maneging process for all webapps
Jun 05 04:52:07 <Saijin_Naib> yeah
Jun 05 04:52:13 <Saijin_Naib> I was just going to ask if that was possible
Jun 05 04:52:15 <morphis> that would save some memory
Jun 05 04:52:31 <Saijin_Naib> each webapp in their own process, and one overseeing process
Jun 05 04:53:46 <Saijin_Naib> This may be the wrong question to ask, but are you guys involved with the PhoenixACL folks?
Jun 05 04:54:14 <Saijin_Naib> openwebOS with webOS apps and Android apps would be pretty hard to beat
Jun 05 04:54:24 <morphis> no, we're not
Jun 05 04:54:56 <Saijin_Naib> Ah, okay.
Jun 05 05:00:04 <Saijin_Naib> So, I should (hopefully) be winning a ZTE Open C and ZTE Open tomorrow some time
Jun 05 05:00:16 <Saijin_Naib> If I want to make the Open C an officially supported platform, what do I do?
Jun 05 05:00:22 <Saijin_Naib> Is there someone I can send it to?
Jun 05 05:00:31 <Saijin_Naib> Should Eric and I try to figure out the device profile ourselves?
Jun 05 05:00:43 <Saijin_Naib> He's a developer at least, so he likely will be more familiar
Jun 05 05:01:02 <Saijin_Naib> I'm not really sure what needs to be done to test the open webOS other than to build the image and make the device profile
Jun 05 05:01:31 <morphis> Saijin_Naib: if you want I can guide you through the process of porting webOS ports to it
Jun 05 05:01:41 <morphis> it's not that much work
Jun 05 05:01:54 <Saijin_Naib> Really?
Jun 05 05:01:58 <morphis> if you're familiar with OE and building Android
Jun 05 05:02:03 <Saijin_Naib> heh...
Jun 05 05:02:03 <morphis> why not
Jun 05 05:02:09 <Saijin_Naib> That'd be a "no" to both
Jun 05 05:02:15 <morphis> :)
Jun 05 05:02:20 <Saijin_Naib> I've never successfully gotten the VIA driver to compile under Linux, if that is any help
Jun 05 05:02:24 <morphis> something to learn then?
Jun 05 05:02:29 <Saijin_Naib> Sure, why not, right?
Jun 05 05:02:35 <morphis> maybe with EricBlade help
Jun 05 05:02:43 <Saijin_Naib> Then I don't have to give away my shiny new phone the day I get it
Jun 05 05:02:59 <Saijin_Naib> Yeah, Eric has at least built webOS before so he's likely more familiar
Jun 05 05:03:14 <Saijin_Naib> Is all the info available on the wiki in a "noob" friendly format?
Jun 05 05:03:23 <Saijin_Naib> if not, maybe that'll be worth creating as you help me
Jun 05 05:03:42 <morphis> exactly that is what I wanted you to do
Jun 05 05:03:51 <morphis> I can help you with the steps, you do them and write them down
Jun 05 05:03:55 <Saijin_Naib> Okay
Jun 05 05:03:58 <Saijin_Naib> I can handle that
Jun 05 05:04:10 <Saijin_Naib> I had tried to write some documentation before for webOS
Jun 05 05:04:54 <morphis> Saijin_Naib: you're on linux?
Jun 05 05:05:51 <Saijin_Naib> No, currently Win 8.1 x64
Jun 05 05:06:01 <Saijin_Naib> My linux computer was a HP 2133
Jun 05 05:06:15 <Saijin_Naib> Last version of linux that supported it without headaches was so old... I got rid of it
Jun 05 05:10:48 <morphis> you need a Ubuntu 12.04
Jun 05 05:10:58 <Saijin_Naib> to make the build?
Jun 05 05:11:29 <morphis> right
Jun 05 05:11:50 <Saijin_Naib> Hrm
Jun 05 05:11:55 <Saijin_Naib> Maybe I can get one set up in a VM
Jun 05 05:12:06 <Saijin_Naib> I think Eric may have one too
Jun 05 05:14:38 <Herrie> Saijin_Naib: VirtualBox should be fine, though performance is laggy
Jun 05 05:14:52 <Saijin_Naib> Yeah, I tried running the open webOS image in that today. Wooo. That was bad
Jun 05 05:14:53 <Herrie> Due to the fact it needs to build a lot it can take ages
Jun 05 05:15:08 <Saijin_Naib> 3.2ghz Xeon, so I should hopefully be okay
Jun 05 05:15:35 <Herrie> Running Ubuntu natively on a SSD of 128GB would be a lot better
Jun 05 05:18:27 <Saijin_Naib> SSD is only 64gb, and it is my Windows image
Jun 05 05:18:54 <Herrie> Ah ok... I just know that I tried it natively instead of VirtualBox and it made TONS of difference ;)
Jun 05 05:19:13 <Herrie> Then again you can probably tweak the VirtualBox settings a bit so it runs quicker
Jun 05 05:19:24 <Saijin_Naib> Native is always the solution :P
Jun 05 05:19:33 <Saijin_Naib> If I had an extra drive, I'd do it in a heartbeat
Jun 05 05:19:46 <Saijin_Naib> The last time gparted and I had speaks, it did not go well
Jun 05 05:19:50 <Herrie> Then again I got an AMD octacore with 16GB ram so that helps as well nowadays ;)
Jun 05 05:20:03 <Saijin_Naib> It ended up overlapping partition boundaries and messing with LVM info.
Jun 05 05:20:22 <Saijin_Naib> Nice! How long does a compile take for you?
Jun 05 05:20:51 <Herrie> I remember the old DOS days when I was using Doublespace/Drivespace and deleted the 40MB file that I believed was "useless" which turned out to be the image of the real 40MB harddrive LOL
Jun 05 05:21:27 <Herrie> Saijin_Naib: Been a while since I looked at it don't remember, but it can be fast when needed ;)
Jun 05 05:21:47 <Herrie> I usually take the public image or morphis' image for testing :)
Jun 05 05:22:07 <Saijin_Naib> Ahh okay
Jun 05 05:22:25 <Saijin_Naib> So if I'm trying to get it running on the ZTE Open C, I can't use the public image?
Jun 05 05:27:52 <morphis> Saijin_Naib: no
Jun 05 05:28:03 <morphis> Saijin_Naib: we're building device specific images so you have to build one for your device
Jun 05 05:28:05 <morphis> see http://webos-ports.org/wiki/Porting_Guide
Jun 05 05:28:30 <morphis> and http://webos-ports.org/wiki/Porting_Guide
Jun 05 05:28:35 <morphis> ah no
Jun 05 05:28:38 <morphis> http://webos-ports.org/wiki/Build_for_Maguro is the right one
Jun 05 05:29:14 <Saijin_Naib> woooooo
Jun 05 05:29:15 <Saijin_Naib> 35gb?
Jun 05 05:31:42 <morphis> you're building an operating system completely :)
Jun 05 05:32:26 <Saijin_Naib> True
Jun 05 05:32:32 <Saijin_Naib> Compiled it must be much smaller
Jun 05 05:35:19 <morphis> about 150M
Jun 05 05:35:58 <Saijin_Naib> Wow, quite the difference
Jun 05 05:36:00 <Saijin_Naib> Hrm, alright
Jun 05 05:36:10 <Saijin_Naib> have those documents pinned in my browser to read later
Jun 05 05:38:02 <Saijin_Naib> Alright, I have to bed it
Jun 05 05:38:11 <Saijin_Naib> Hopefully tomorrow brings an Open C to test!
Jun 05 05:54:08 <EricBlade> morphis: familiar with building android? o.O i only barely am familiar with how the webos system works. sort of. :P
Jun 05 05:56:58 <morphis> :D
Jun 05 21:52:57 <paulo> hey everyone
Jun 05 21:53:53 <paulo> how is webos working on maguro?
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