**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 08 02:59:59 2014 Aug 08 12:35:59 hey ShiftyAxel, morphis. Are either of you two active currently? Aug 08 12:38:04 GodGinrai: me is Aug 08 12:38:15 ShiftyAxel is not Aug 08 12:39:35 I see Aug 08 12:39:55 is there anywhere I can look to find out the current progress of OWO? Or do I just need to ask in here? Aug 08 12:41:03 you can load the images and see for yourself. ;) Aug 08 12:41:46 Garfonso: I don't have a phone that I can do that w/ Aug 08 12:42:06 http://webos-ports.org/wiki/Emulator Aug 08 12:42:55 oh, neat Aug 08 12:43:24 Garfonso: however, this wouldn't provide me information about what I am most interested in Aug 08 12:43:28 it sometimes has some more quirks than the device images... but it works ok for a first look and testing webapps / js services Aug 08 12:43:39 what are you most interested in? Aug 08 12:43:40 (progress of CDMA and/or GSM support, etc.) Aug 08 12:45:28 hehe.. for such specifics, asking here probably is the best way. From what I understand GSM is working in theory, just not everything is ready for telephony (mostly app wise). Don't know about CDMA Aug 08 12:45:52 I see Aug 08 12:45:55 GodGinrai: it backend side for telephony support through the Android HAL layer is there Aug 08 12:46:05 GodGinrai: We have a QML phone app but some work is needed in backend to get things working properly. Morphis can tell you best what needs doing Aug 08 12:46:06 what is missing is the integration into the webOS based system Aug 08 12:46:25 morphis: morphis so even CDMA should work? Aug 08 12:46:33 possible Aug 08 12:46:33 whoops, doubled it up Aug 08 12:46:50 only thing is that I can't test CMDA Aug 08 12:46:59 so it's up to others where CDMA is available Aug 08 12:47:09 I see Aug 08 12:48:41 which reminds me that I wanted to again test data-connection someday on my GNex.. Aug 08 12:48:55 Garfonso: sadly didn't had time to invest more time on that yet Aug 08 12:49:13 however I saw my data contexts populate with the right configuration automatically recently Aug 08 12:50:12 morphis: how do you test GSM? Do you have a separate phone plan that you connect the phone to? Aug 08 12:50:46 GodGinrai: right Aug 08 12:51:04 ok Aug 08 12:51:04 I have a SIM card which I only use for such things Aug 08 12:51:09 pretty cheap one Aug 08 12:51:24 * Garfonso has 3 SIM Cards for his phone plan => can use 3 devices with just one contract. Aug 08 12:52:12 Garfonso: I have 3 phones on my plan, but none of those can really be used for testing Aug 08 12:54:48 morphis: Are there any 4G phones that OWO works w/ currently? Aug 08 12:55:09 GodGinrai: 4G principially isn't a problem Aug 08 12:55:13 look at the Jolla phone Aug 08 12:55:26 it's using the same code as we do for the telephony layer Aug 08 12:55:29 and has LTE Aug 08 12:55:46 yea, but I meant that OWO runs on Aug 08 12:56:00 that can be used for testing Aug 08 12:59:02 not sure if the N4 is able to support 4G/LTE Aug 08 12:59:29 N4 does HSDPA+ Aug 08 12:59:42 And LTE band 4 unofficially Aug 08 12:59:46 looks like it can LTE too Aug 08 13:00:12 then we have a 4G device running Lune OS Aug 08 13:00:50 The Touchpad 4G with a Sierra MC 7700 (US) and MC7710 (EU) should work with oFono too, but not sure we need other bits in backend to support it. Aug 08 13:01:08 I tested Tenderloin image and it runs on TP4G. Aug 08 13:01:50 So, basically, no phone that Verizon allows is supported yet. :\ Aug 08 13:02:18 Old Galaxy Nexus CDMA might work :P Aug 08 13:02:38 Us in GSM land cannot test CDMA ;) Aug 08 13:02:46 hrmm Aug 08 13:03:10 But GodGinrai we could use some help with Enyo stuffs so morphis has more time for telephony :P Aug 08 13:04:00 I would certainly be interested in that Aug 08 13:05:04 Although I don't have much experience making mobile layouts using Enyo Aug 08 13:06:17 Any help is welcome, even when it's Enyo backend ajax etc stuff :P Aug 08 13:07:27 What kind of apps are you needing? Aug 08 13:09:33 GodGinrai: overall we need polishing etc. Aug 08 13:09:50 contacts/calendar is being worked on by Garfonso Aug 08 13:09:56 messaging is only a stub right now Aug 08 13:10:11 with only some prototyping Aug 08 13:10:19 getting it visually in shape would be a nice thing Aug 08 13:10:27 adding the backend stuff is quite some more work Aug 08 13:10:41 and I think dkirker could get some help with the browser too Aug 08 13:10:48 (which isn't written with enyo) Aug 08 13:10:58 do we have a plan for messaging backend, yet? Aug 08 13:11:23 dkirker's working on making his Universe Browser work w/ OWO, right? Not Isis? Aug 08 13:12:18 Garfonso: I have something floating around in my head Aug 08 13:12:24 mainly getting back what legacy did Aug 08 13:12:36 so using same concept of storing everything in db8 Aug 08 13:13:14 As for visuals, what are you guys aiming for? What Enyo visual toolkit are you using? Onyx, Heritage, Mochi? Aug 08 13:13:25 GodGinrai: onyx Aug 08 13:13:29 morphis: yes, that's probably a good idea. So storing messages in a kind and then have some chat-threader service? Aug 08 13:13:38 right Aug 08 13:15:04 Another question: Didn't HP provide Enyo 1.0 (or Mojo) versions of some of these apps when they opened the source? Aug 08 13:19:09 some, yes, but they had issues (from what I understood) so we decided for an enyo 2.0 rewrite. Aug 08 13:19:47 After all those apps are not thaaaaat sophisticated. And we also had some issues with enyo 1.0... enyo 2 works better Aug 08 13:20:04 That's understandable. I just wanted to confirm that there was code that could be used for reference, Aug 08 13:20:09 *. Aug 08 13:20:32 sure: https://github.com/openwebos/core-apps Aug 08 13:21:19 heh, so they never did give us the messaging app? Aug 08 13:21:25 I knew they hadn't given us the phone app Aug 08 13:21:35 it seems like that. Aug 08 13:22:09 Do you guys have much contact w/ the webos team now that they are under LG, btw? Aug 08 13:36:39 ?_? Aug 08 13:38:29 * Garfonso not.. :p Aug 08 13:39:06 But I never had... From what I understand some of the US guys have more ways to contact them. Aug 08 13:39:25 but there is not really a lot of cooperation going on from what I see. Aug 08 13:41:02 on the other hand LuneOS is a lot more independent from openwebos now that we have luna-next.. (again from what I understand ;)) Aug 08 13:41:11 so we can move on on our own. Aug 08 13:41:23 Are they at least commiting the new changes for the LG WebOS TVs back to the repo? Aug 08 13:43:26 there are things going into the repositories as you can see here: https://github.com/openwebos/ Aug 08 13:43:46 I'm paying closer attention to the enyo guys, though.. ;) Aug 08 13:44:38 Garfonso: So am I :P Aug 08 13:44:53 But the Enyo guys actually communicate w/ us somewhat Aug 08 13:45:06 the OWO website is pretty much dead in comparison Aug 08 13:45:16 that's true. Aug 08 13:46:39 is there a dev-relation team for the tv stuff? Aug 08 13:48:16 no idea Aug 08 13:49:06 IMHO, LG needs to pick up on things and get some developers (or developer relations people) on Freenode Aug 08 13:57:16 wb Aug 08 13:58:07 Thnx wIRC tends to disconnect me during a phone call :P Aug 08 13:58:52 Yea, that happened to me all the time when I was using my Pre3, since I was on Verizon **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Aug 09 02:59:59 2014