**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 03 02:59:59 2014 Sep 03 03:06:42 patience grasshopper Sep 03 03:06:51 some people are eating dinner... Sep 03 03:17:22 Hey guys, super interested in the project and would love to help out. I'm a computer science student, senior member on xda with more than a few Android projects under my belt. If you still need help leu me know.... Sep 03 03:18:57 morning jaysurp Sep 03 03:19:08 what are you interested in playing with? Sep 03 03:23:05 whatever is needed most I guess, I'd love to see LuneOS on the Nexus 5, but I also have experience with C++, java, python, and a few other languages I can get by in lol Sep 03 03:23:52 I'd just like to be a party of something new, Android is all copies now Sep 03 03:28:26 jaysurp, the UI is coded in Qt so your C++ skills are useful Sep 03 03:28:59 sounds fun, how can I help? Sep 03 03:29:07 what TZ are you in? Sep 03 03:29:40 I'm in new York, so eastern Sep 03 03:31:35 okay most of the UI team is in .eu…but since you are on IRC and the github is available…you might want to look at issues.webos-ports.org for open bugs/features that need loving... Sep 03 03:33:05 jaysurp, setup a user account there and I'll get you squared away Sep 03 03:33:53 no problem, ill set up an account now and take a look at the coding tomorrow Sep 03 03:34:30 kk Sep 03 03:34:54 the BT is where things are happening now for coding/debugging. Sep 03 03:40:26 OK, account created, and let me day than you now for the opportunity, been hoping for something different, did a couple SailfishOS builds, those were cool but this project had promise, I remember webOS lol Sep 03 03:43:20 ya, we think that its worth playing with... Sep 03 03:43:35 you can build all of this too…its completely build able from sources Sep 03 03:45:18 jaysurp, thanks for stopping by..get some sleep too…looking forward to having you participate. Sep 03 03:47:12 ? Sep 03 03:47:24 gyroslice, not found :) Sep 03 03:47:50 we do however have answers Sep 03 03:48:06 i have a question concerning the flashing of the kernel on a Nexus 4 Sep 03 03:48:29 It has said "flashing kernel" for 10 minutes Sep 03 03:50:00 is this normal? the link to the latest zip file on the wiki also has a 404 error Sep 03 03:51:58 thanks guys, looking forward to it.. Sep 03 03:53:09 ? Sep 03 03:59:36 whoops Sep 03 03:59:43 lets see if he comes back. Sep 03 04:00:11 nite jaysurp Sep 03 04:19:58 rats Sep 03 04:24:13 hey Sep 03 04:26:40 howdy Sep 03 05:20:18 so i heard some you guys were looking for some designers Sep 03 05:25:19 usman54: We can always use some help :) Sep 03 05:25:33 Anything specific you're good at? Sep 03 05:26:03 i understand how to use the adobe software suite and some html and css Sep 03 05:27:12 :) Sep 03 05:29:56 i alsoo sent you guys a design as well of a concept of a webos calendar app Sep 03 05:30:12 Where? On gmail? or... ? Sep 03 05:30:48 Ah see it now :) Sep 03 05:30:54 Sorry just woke up :P Sep 03 05:32:17 yea i followed there unreleased design Sep 03 05:32:42 It looks good. Sep 03 05:32:54 The unreleased design is released now and available on GitHub ;) Sep 03 05:33:08 https://github.com/enyojs/mochi/ Sep 03 05:33:30 i know it would be great if they could be implemented within luneOS Sep 03 05:36:59 It could be, just someone would need to take the time for it :) Sep 03 05:38:00 We currently use Onyx (https://github.com/enyojs/onyx) for UI, this could be replaced by Mochi, but it's not a 1:1 replacement. Lots of things would need tweaking as you can imagine Sep 03 05:39:44 yea i know but LuneOS should try and become the WebOS everyone's always wanted hopefully it happens if you guys want i can send in designs for all the app designs Sep 03 05:48:46 We would need someone to implement it in the apps ;) Sep 03 05:48:53 Is this something you could do? Sep 03 05:49:33 well im not really great developing im still learning css and html Sep 03 06:04:20 usman54: You can take a simple app and start with that one (for example Settings) :) Sep 03 06:04:29 Difficult projects teach you the most :P Sep 03 06:10:35 I started on the browser myself 2 weeks ago, having little to no QML knowledge :) Will soon be ready to be included in the next release :D Sep 03 06:25:19 morning Sep 03 06:40:30 4 Sep 03 06:41:28 damn i can probably try but it will take me some time Sep 03 06:41:52 what languages should i know to make it Sep 03 06:42:28 Javascript and maybe some C Sep 03 06:43:53 i got no experiences in either Sep 03 08:08:14 Hi all... I'm running the latest LuneOS image on Virtualbox on a Macbook. I'm stuck on the Licence Agreement and have no idea how to click accept. Any help? Sep 03 08:11:55 Guest24872: which virtualbox version are you running? Sep 03 08:12:09 you should be able to click the accept button with your mouse pointer Sep 03 08:12:14 4.3.14 Sep 03 08:12:32 you tried the stable or testing version? Sep 03 08:12:35 The latest I could find on Oracle's site Sep 03 08:12:59 Guest24872: I mean of LuneOS Sep 03 08:13:15 Oh lol.. the file I downloaded was webos-ports-dev-emulator-qemux86-64 Sep 03 08:13:46 ah Sep 03 08:13:52 don't use the 64 bit one Sep 03 08:13:58 that one has this bug Sep 03 08:14:09 its known but no one fixed it yet Sep 03 08:14:13 take the 32 bit version Sep 03 08:14:39 Oh ok thanks morphis I'll give that a go Sep 03 08:16:10 ok Sep 03 09:54:02 hi Sep 03 12:07:02 hi Sep 03 12:09:11 Kerris: hey Sep 03 12:11:03 hi morphis Sep 03 12:11:07 how do you do? Sep 03 12:11:11 fine Sep 03 12:25:05 hello? Sep 03 12:25:24 anyone online? Sep 03 12:27:53 i want flash webos into my nexus4.via http://build.webos-ports.org/luneos-stable/images/mako/ ,i dont know which one is the last stable rom? Sep 03 12:31:47 the files without a date in the name always link to the most recent one Sep 03 12:32:35 thx. i got it Sep 03 12:33:00 webos-ports-package-mako.zip 10-Aug-2014 20:13 272611843 Sep 03 12:33:07 right. Sep 03 13:54:02 Tofe: Trying the following. I have a progressbar that works. When the loading of a site finishes I want to make it green instead of blue (which is the color when the site is still loading). ProgressBar has ProgressBarStyle which has progress which has col Sep 03 13:54:02 or and border.color which I'd like to set. Any idea how to set these values? Sep 03 13:55:22 Herrie|Veer: setting them in QML? Sep 03 13:56:41 Yeah Sep 03 13:56:50 Herrie|Veer: http://doc.qt.digia.com/qt-5.2/qml-color.html Sep 03 13:57:04 I have them set with an initial color when I declare it but want to change it Sep 03 13:57:36 Herrie|Veer: what is the criteria for the event when you want to change the color? Sep 03 13:58:25 I can do it for items with an id but seems I don't figure out how to do it with ones that don't. Tried assigning an id but without luck Sep 03 13:58:33 Let me paste what I have Sep 03 14:00:03 http://bpaste.net/show/bfe1c3f6f4a5 Sep 03 14:00:28 I want to change color and border.color of progress elsewhere in the cod Sep 03 14:00:31 +e Sep 03 14:02:52 Herrie|Veer: if this were Enyo, I would tie the change to some progress completion event. I don't know if the QML progressbar has something similar Sep 03 14:03:03 Herrie|Veer: add a property Sep 03 14:03:06 to pb2 Sep 03 14:03:17 property Color progressBarColor: ".." Sep 03 14:03:26 then bind that property to the progressRect Sep 03 14:03:33 or the other rectangle Sep 03 14:03:39 and change then only the new property Sep 03 14:03:43 that's nasty but OK :P Sep 03 14:04:08 no, that is exactly how you would do such things :) Sep 03 14:04:27 the problem is that you break the cycle with assigning an item to background/progress Sep 03 14:04:45 but that is how the styles are working Sep 03 14:05:19 Herrie|Veer: btw. you can do everything in the ProgressBarStyle too Sep 03 14:05:20 see http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/qml-qtquick-controls-styles-progressbarstyle.html Sep 03 14:05:31 the properties should give you everything you need Sep 03 14:05:38 like currentProgress Sep 03 14:05:51 Ah :) Sep 03 14:06:04 Didn't think about that will play around a bit Sep 03 14:09:31 why not hide the progressbar, when page finished loading? ;) Sep 03 14:13:29 Garfonso it does that already :P But was playing with a Tweaks patch to have it always visible Sep 03 14:14:33 ah. ok. :) Sep 03 14:24:52 Herrie|Veer: sorry for my laggy answering, do you need more help ? Sep 03 14:25:56 Doing it in ProgressBarStyle should be the way to go, yes Sep 03 14:45:32 morphis: i worked on the certificate manager a little bit. Got a basic GUI so far. A little confused on what exactly it needs to do. It needs to load a list of certificates from an api, correct? Could you point me to the file in the certmgrd that had the api to retrieve a list of the certificates? Sep 03 14:48:31 Morning Sep 03 14:48:46 Morning Sep 03 15:06:57 Tofe: I think I'm OK for now but sure I have other stuff later :P Sep 03 15:11:28 but now, Coffee Sep 03 15:24:51 btw the Exchange synergy plugin is/was proprietary right? Sep 03 15:27:22 ktk: Yes :'( Sep 03 15:28:13 There's something called InboxApp that has Exchange support (from makers of Dropbox) but it's not free either. Currently fee is $99 to participate in their beta program Sep 03 15:28:16 ok too bad. I hate exchange but still have to work with it Sep 03 15:28:28 and the pre still syncs nicely with it Sep 03 15:28:40 yeah once asked those guys but never got an invite Sep 03 15:28:54 they seriously ask 99 for a beta? Sep 03 15:28:58 Yeah same here... InboxApp might be an option but didn't look into it in detail. I have an invite Sep 03 15:29:53 Yeah 99. And the amount is not really the issue for me but they have no licensing available yet either. If we knew it would cost x per license or y per year it would help... Sep 03 15:29:56 well I can live paying for exchange sync support as long as the rest is free and I'm curious about inboxapp Sep 03 15:30:00 rennnat: look at https://github.com/webOS-ports/certmgrd/blob/master/src/certmgr_service.c Sep 03 15:30:03 but I wait a bit more, looks too early for me Sep 03 15:30:06 rennnat: there are listAll, install and remove Sep 03 15:30:30 rennnat: the certificate management page should nearly do the same as in legacy webOS Sep 03 15:30:45 Herrie|Veer: IIRC the backend should be open source right? Sep 03 15:31:15 ah right faq says so Sep 03 15:31:22 Yeah but for us would be good if we could use a hosted variant instead of hosting ourselves I guess Sep 03 15:31:38 sure I see that Sep 03 15:31:46 I'm just not gonna migrate my mail to something proprietary Sep 03 15:32:17 Yeah same here... Exchange would be really good... Sep 03 15:32:42 morphis: thanks, do I go about calling that function using ajax? I don't know C very well. Sep 03 15:33:31 rennnat: ah no, you can directly do that from the app code Sep 03 15:33:32 rennnat: AJAX is completely separate from C Sep 03 15:33:47 we're using ls2 as bridge between both worlds Sep 03 15:34:18 btw anyone played with a firefox OS phone so far? Sep 03 15:34:20 rennnat: look at https://github.com/webOS-ports/org.webosports.app.settings/blob/master/source/ScreenLock.js#L129 for example Sep 03 15:34:25 Ya, I know. I searching around google. Sep 03 15:34:36 ok Sep 03 15:34:38 OS quite ok but default apps suck, I like mail & calendar on my pre much more Sep 03 15:35:23 and I thought it might be nice if these apps for LuneOS would work on firefox OS as well to get a bit more audience. but no clue if this is technically possible without way too much work Sep 03 15:35:33 rennnat: you can also call it like: luna-send -n 1 luna://org.webosports.certmgr/listAll {} Sep 03 15:35:39 from the command line Sep 03 15:36:25 ktk: calendar & mail are pretty webOS specific. Sep 03 15:36:40 still enyo 1 I see Sep 03 15:36:41 ktk: Some yes, Enyo 2 is cross platform and can run on pretty much any platform. Sep 03 15:37:08 would actually be worth playing with that stuff Sep 03 15:37:09 Ah, makes sense. Thank you. I'll have to take a closer look later. Sep 03 15:37:31 Big difference is that we use webkit and they use gecko Sep 03 15:37:47 anyone ever saw a better phone calendar than the one on WebOS? because I didn't so far Sep 03 15:38:06 Herrie|Veer: yeah but if we are lucky enyo takes care of that, at least they try with desktop version Sep 03 15:38:47 Enyo 2 does, Enyo 1 not so much I think Sep 03 15:38:53 no 1 is a lost case Sep 03 15:39:00 if one would succeed in cleanly seperating UI from the backend stuff, then one could try to replace the webOS backend with a Firefox OS backend... but that would still have to be written. Sep 03 15:39:01 for outside webos Sep 03 15:39:24 Garfonso: yes makes sense Sep 03 15:39:34 need to check the source once to get an idea of the work Sep 03 15:40:19 it should be possible with the enyo >=2.4 apps, if they are done right, maybe using sources and stuff. But still quite some work. Sep 03 15:40:28 yeah sure Sep 03 15:41:24 I thought a bit about teaming up with mozilla in general. they want their browser engine for sure but at the same time they need good apps Sep 03 15:41:40 and while the base is different the issues from user perspective are similar Sep 03 15:41:54 and mozilla does invest in projects which are webby Sep 03 15:42:00 and solve issues they have Sep 03 15:42:09 they seem to support the cozy cloud guys for example Sep 03 15:42:26 because currently on firefox os you can only sync with propietary accounts like google & co Sep 03 15:42:33 which is somewhat stupid as they claim to be independend Sep 03 15:42:51 ktk: I was just telling Herrie|Veer the other day that we should get LuneOS to support both Gecko and Webkit for its rendering engine ;) Sep 03 15:43:32 well I have no idea what this means technically but I really think teaming up on app level for example would make sense Sep 03 15:45:51 LG didn't do any work on mail/calendar right? Sep 03 15:45:55 they probably don't care on TVs Sep 03 15:45:59 using webkit would be quite a lot of work and not good invested... then it would make more sense to try to implement missing features into webkit, if that really becomes an issue. Sep 03 15:46:28 Garfonso: you mean using gecko? Sep 03 15:46:38 on the app level the only issue is if the app uses something that JavaScript normaly is not allowed to do, like file access or stuff. Sep 03 15:46:44 ktk: yes. sorry ;) Sep 03 15:46:48 ok :) Sep 03 15:46:50 Garfonso: I hardly agree Sep 03 15:47:18 Garfonso: yeah but that is abstracted somewhere. so a rewrite could probably fix that and make it usable on both platforms Sep 03 15:47:20 Garfonso: supporting webkit only leads to monoculture Sep 03 15:47:31 That is unhealthy for the web Sep 03 15:47:44 currently the approach there is different. webOS uses ajax-like service calls to backend services, Mozilla defines a new JS API and tries to push it as standard via W3C. Sep 03 15:48:06 backend is node still? Sep 03 15:48:12 if our webkit supports enough of those new apis, then apps don't really have an issue. ;) Sep 03 15:48:49 backend is node.js, C++ and integrated into luna-next... more or less anything that is connected via ls2 bus. :) Sep 03 15:49:21 ok Sep 03 15:49:24 GodGinrai: that is a valid point... but we currently do not have the ressources to heal the whole web. Let's first start with mobile operating systems. :p Sep 03 15:49:34 good point :) Sep 03 15:50:16 Garfonso: I'm not asking for healing. Just don't drive the knife in further ;) Sep 03 15:50:24 currently, from what I understand, we use "just" some qt stuff that is based on webkit. If we wanted to replace that with gecko, we'd have to see how to integrate that.. which is not trivial at all. Sep 03 15:50:47 Garfonso: Jolla's Sailfish browser is open-source Sep 03 15:51:16 that is Qt+gecko Sep 03 15:51:25 looking at how they embedded gecko Sep 03 15:51:36 should help to understand how to make it work in LuneOS Sep 03 15:51:57 GodGinrai, ktk: just using gecko is one thing but adding backend functionality is the other Sep 03 15:52:08 you understand that webkit is not only the browser in LuneOS/webOS but a central component of the OS? ;) Sep 03 15:52:33 morphis: for example? Sep 03 15:52:58 Jolla uses webkit too from what I understood + Gecko for browser only? Sep 03 15:53:06 Garfonso: as far as I understand, most of the backend is QML, C/C++, or Javascript running on Node (which is not webkit) Sep 03 15:54:07 still webkit has to supply all the functionality to talk to that backend for apps. Sep 03 15:54:35 Herrie|Veer: there appear to be webkit browsers ported to Sailfish OS, but the OS itself does not as far as I am aware Sep 03 15:55:09 which ever WebAPI gecko has implemented (battery, ...) needs a proper implementation for the OS it is running on Sep 03 15:55:18 Garfonso: how so? It has been mentioned that webOS communicates with the backend through AJAX calls to services. This should work through Gecko as well Sep 03 15:55:21 that differs in our case a lot from the desktop and also FireFoxOS Sep 03 15:55:36 I think the best start to "integrate" gecko would be for someone to port some 3rd party gecko based browser onto webos. ;) Sep 03 15:55:59 GodGinrai: generally I don't see any argument against trying to use gecko Sep 03 15:56:16 but that is time I personally don't like to invest as there are more important things to do Sep 03 15:56:34 also there is a line between the engine our browser uses and the one we're using for our webapps Sep 03 15:56:48 nothing would speak against having multiple backend engines for webapps Sep 03 15:57:10 but technically there are some challanges Sep 03 15:58:18 let's agree that it's a good idea but unless someone steps up there are other problems to solve first ;) Sep 03 15:58:29 right Sep 03 15:58:35 that sounds about right Sep 03 15:59:00 imho getting at least one web engine running smooth and with all features we need is a very hard challenge for a community project :) Sep 03 15:59:09 but thanks for the work so far, was really happy to flash my touchpad yesterday Sep 03 15:59:23 still love webos so much more than android but the browser sucks on it Sep 03 15:59:27 ktk: nice to hear it works for you :) Sep 03 15:59:47 ktk: is there any way to make a livedisc for LuneOS yet? Sep 03 15:59:47 it surely needs more work but I could render some page which were so slow before :) Sep 03 16:00:03 btw. switching to qtwebengine (chromium based) is something that will happen Sep 03 16:00:11 GodGinrai: no clue Sep 03 16:00:28 morphis: qtwebengine from qt-webkit? Sep 03 16:00:54 ktk: The newer testing builds have an initial version of our new QML based browser :) I'm working on adding features to that one now ;) Sep 03 16:01:15 Herrie|Veer: ok I would need to try nightly then? Sep 03 16:01:23 I took the "stable" one which is 10th of august IIRC Sep 03 16:01:58 ktk: Yes :P Sep 03 16:02:40 It's very basic in the image, I have other things working locally already, just need to finalise and clean up a bit :) Sep 03 16:04:09 Herrie|Veer: cool looking forward to that Sep 03 16:04:19 My first real QML project, so lots of trial and error :P Sep 03 16:04:38 But got UI more or less done. Still need to add in back end stuffs :P Sep 03 16:04:41 GodGinrai: we're using qtwebkit Sep 03 16:04:52 which is outdated and not maintained by the Qt project anymore Sep 03 16:04:58 and not coupled to the webkit project Sep 03 16:05:09 so will not receive much love upstream Sep 03 16:05:22 I see Sep 03 16:05:23 qtwebengine is the new one developmented by Qt project based on chromium Sep 03 16:05:49 so qtwebengine is downstream from blink Sep 03 16:06:51 not directly Sep 03 16:06:59 qtwebengine -> chromium -> blink Sep 03 16:07:29 I see Sep 03 17:21:58 Tofe/morphis: What's the prefered way of dealing with app settings in QML apps? I can take care of some things in Tweaks but not all. Should I add another "tab" to my panel with bookmarks, history, downloads for settings? Sep 03 17:23:52 Herrie: hm Sep 03 17:29:42 Default search provider I can do in Tweaks when it's a steady list, but could by dynamic Sep 03 17:29:54 settings, yes that's a bit of a question Sep 03 17:29:56 Things like clear cookies, bookmarks, history etc cannot be really done there Sep 03 17:30:05 how is it done with enyo apps ? in db8 ? Sep 03 17:31:07 Yup in om.palm.browserpreferences:1 Sep 03 17:31:13 com.palm.browserpreferences:1 that should be Sep 03 17:31:43 I'm happy to put it there, just need to know what we do UI wise Sep 03 17:31:43 so that answers the storage; but your question was maybe more about the UI Sep 03 17:31:45 Herrie: then why not using it? Sep 03 17:32:15 I recreated the 3.x panel for downloads etc, easiest would be do add a 4th "tab" there I guess with the settings? Sep 03 17:32:26 Or a separate panel altogether Sep 03 17:32:49 why not Sep 03 17:32:57 a 4th tab could be sufficient Sep 03 17:32:57 legacy did it through the app menu, right? Sep 03 17:33:45 morphis: right Sep 03 17:33:53 "Preferences" -> dedicated page Sep 03 17:36:14 Yeah that was legacy way but we don't have app menu in QML, though could easily create one? Sep 03 17:37:20 I... don't even know :) Is it configured through an LS2 call in each app ? Sep 03 17:38:51 Dunno... I think there's nothing, but should be possible to make something when tapping to left it shows a rectangle with option. When tapping option shows screen with settings? Sep 03 17:39:47 yes, it does Sep 03 17:40:10 but I think it's either we do a real app menu, or we stick to more integrated content like a 4th tab Sep 03 17:41:06 Faking an app menu does bring anything in this case, I think Sep 03 17:41:10 doesn't* Sep 03 17:42:08 I agree but might work better on smaller screens? We'd need a button for the settings and morphis would prefer to keep phone browser UI clean Sep 03 17:45:48 :) Sep 03 17:49:12 wait I think I misunderstood how the "tabs" were organized Sep 03 17:54:12 If I remember well, the app menu is a signal that is sent to the app, which then opens up a menu where it should Sep 03 17:54:30 Preware 2 uses app menu and then opens a dialog box (i.e. something "flying" above the normal UI) for settings Sep 03 17:55:17 app menu is a "relaunch", AFAIK. At least that is what web-applauncher says on the command line Sep 03 17:55:18 morphis: do you remember which signal is sent to the app, and what form it takes ? If it is an LS2 call, we could listen to it in QML and show something Sep 03 17:55:52 Garfonso: oh, a relaunch with "appmenu", sort of ? Sep 03 17:56:26 That would be extra easy to plug in QML Sep 03 17:58:51 Tofe: right Sep 03 17:59:55 that's the parameter it seems: "{"palm-command":"open-app-menu"}" Sep 03 18:03:47 Garfonso: right Sep 03 18:06:38 ok, then I propose we add an app menu for the settings; when we'll get it right, we then can think of a way to propose a sort "template" for app menu for QML apps Sep 03 18:07:17 Herrie: you see how to do that ? Sep 03 18:13:22 Tofe: Not really but well... If you have a quick mock I can take it from there Sep 03 18:13:39 Or I can do layout, DB8 stuff and you can do the integration? Sep 03 18:13:49 Herrie: ok Sep 03 18:14:24 What should I use for the menu itself? Sep 03 18:15:02 mmh Sep 03 18:15:17 you're already using the Qml Controls, isn't it ? Sep 03 18:15:54 Could be, not 100% sure, name one and I can confirm :P Sep 03 18:16:10 so I'd say use a Button (with some webos-ish ButtonStyle) and a Rectangle for the background Sep 03 18:16:38 There may even be a menu item available, but I never used it Sep 03 18:17:31 I mean more for the "page" with the settings Sep 03 18:17:34 THe menu is easy ;) Sep 03 18:17:49 I can do a rect + listitem for example Sep 03 18:18:25 Seems I'm getting ListItem expert LOL Sep 03 18:18:28 oh, mmh, yes :) Sep 03 18:19:09 (Menu and MenuItem seemed interesting, too) Sep 03 18:20:25 The page with settings, I'd say go for a fullscreen dialog Sep 03 18:20:45 like on legacy Sep 03 18:22:12 Then, maybe use the QtQuick.Controls objects, like GroupBox, CheckBox, ... Sep 03 18:22:49 Was that the question ? :) Sep 03 18:27:52 Yes Sep 03 18:27:58 Can work with that I guess Sep 03 18:28:56 morphis: noticed wifi on N4 doesn't always work Sep 03 18:29:05 Seems to turn on and scan but never return networks Sep 03 18:29:25 TUrning it off, rebooting, turning it on seems to solve it in most cases Sep 03 18:33:28 jcsullins, ping? Sep 03 18:33:36 yo Sep 03 18:34:09 howdy…to allow triple booting with tptoolbox should we need to move our RoofFS to someplace safer than it is now? Sep 03 18:34:43 yeah, I have concerns about using ext3fs since that could already be in-use for other stuff Sep 03 18:35:05 I suggest something like luneOS-root Sep 03 18:35:30 morphis, ^^ Sep 03 18:37:27 okay then the uImage would need to be manipulated to have the mount points for the initramfs setup right Sep 03 18:37:48 and fstab Sep 03 18:38:13 okay let me see if we can do that soon... Sep 03 18:38:34 I'd like to see this happen so people can test but not trash their TP Sep 03 18:39:13 jcsullins, thanks for the pointers... Sep 03 18:57:43 morphis: great, now calendar not crashes, just shows white screen.(strange, seems I wrong tested this solution before; can't understand how setUrl can cause crash). But email app crashes, and it isn't the result of "rework visible state". Sep 03 18:57:45 Herrie: which image? Sep 03 18:58:14 nizovn: hm Sep 03 18:58:43 nizovn: the mail app has on webview without a window and another one with a window Sep 03 18:59:12 would be interesting which one cause it to crash Sep 03 18:59:30 nizovn: btw. one thing I noticed is that once the webprocess crashes webappmanager isn't able to bring the apps back Sep 03 18:59:43 that worked sometimes ago Sep 03 19:01:10 morphis: ok, calendar app also have two windows, as mail app? Sep 03 19:01:32 oops, webviews Sep 03 19:04:01 hm.. browser does not yet support http auth? ;) Sep 03 19:04:21 that's something for Herrie, probably. Sep 03 19:04:27 nizovn: the org.webosports.* ones does not Sep 03 19:04:47 Garfonso: hehe, lets fill up Herrie with as much as feature requests as we can Sep 03 19:12:10 morphis: Was with august 30th or 31st testing build Sep 03 19:12:38 btw is it expected that launcher closes when clicking on transparent bottom application bar? Sep 03 19:13:17 Need to check with latest but don't think anything was changed since then? Sep 03 19:14:56 Herrie|2, the settings app on N4 broken on 9/1 build? Sep 03 19:15:05 nizovn: screenshot or picture? I also noticed I lose the bottom bar sometimes Sep 03 19:15:22 ka6sox: need to check Sep 03 19:18:08 Herrie|2: I meant bottom semitransparent area with application icons, sorry if misunderstood Sep 03 19:18:55 With me that one disappears sometimes Sep 03 19:19:19 Didn't find condition which caused it though. Sep 03 19:21:04 ah, strange Sep 03 19:27:52 what is the worst that can happen if I update the system via opkg update + opkg upgrade? ;) Sep 03 19:30:34 ok, that bar disappears after open some web app, and then open mail app 2 times, like morphis said :) Sep 03 19:35:02 Ah :-) Sep 03 19:41:27 Garfonso/morphis: It might be good to add sk e Sep 03 19:41:48 some identifier in about box in settings with build date Sep 03 19:42:12 Now it doesnt show anywhere which (nightly) build you're running Sep 03 19:44:11 Garfonso: the system will break :) Sep 03 19:44:41 as you should not do that when the system is up Sep 03 19:48:36 nizovn: one other thing: the email app is one launched at boot time Sep 03 19:50:25 nizovn: btw. what are the exact steps to let the the webprocess crash through the email app? Sep 03 19:52:12 Herrie: sk e? Sep 03 19:53:08 Garfonso: can we include that in the retrieveVersion result somehow? Sep 03 19:53:37 morphis: steps: open mail app, close it, open for second time :) Sep 03 19:53:42 if we would have it in /etc/webos-release .. Sep 03 19:53:42 sk e = some Sep 03 19:53:45 TP keyboard Sep 03 19:53:47 Herrie: ah :) Sep 03 19:54:11 nizovn: without an account created? Sep 03 19:54:17 yes Sep 03 19:55:37 Herrie: btw. something like http://build.shr-project.org/ would be great for our build.webos-ports.org Sep 03 19:55:44 nizovn: hm, I can't see that here Sep 03 19:57:20 nizovn: when the current build-run is over can you retry it (http://jenkins.nas-admin.org/) Sep 03 19:57:37 nizovn: or which build you're testing on? Sep 03 19:59:14 morphis: just updated, after ofono fix, on emulator. Sep 03 20:01:16 nizovn: ah you're on emulator? Sep 03 20:01:39 yes Sep 03 20:01:46 it is broken? Sep 03 20:03:56 possible that this is a emulator only problem Sep 03 20:04:22 ah, ok Sep 03 20:04:31 but needs to be fixed anyway Sep 03 20:04:36 where would I start if I wanted to port openwebos to a new platform? (beaglebone black) Sep 03 20:04:48 shodan45: openwebos or LuneOS? Sep 03 20:07:40 morphis: either or both? :) Sep 03 20:11:08 my understanding is that openwebos is LG-sponsored (and actually less "open"?) while LuneOS is 100% community driven (but based on older code? less mature/stable?) Sep 03 20:11:53 I'm sure at least some of that is wrong :) Sep 03 20:12:29 shodan45: openwebos itself currently only runs in the emulator Sep 03 20:12:33 LuneOS is the new shit Sep 03 20:12:48 with future technologies and easy to port on Android based platforms Sep 03 20:13:13 so the thing you want to port is LuneOS and not Open webOS Sep 03 20:13:36 morphis: are they forks of a common code base? Sep 03 20:13:50 LuneOS is a fork of openwebos Sep 03 20:13:57 but we're still reusing things where possible Sep 03 20:14:42 shodan45: does Android run on the beagle bone black? Sep 03 20:14:56 so HP/LG released open webos.... but hasn't updated it? Sep 03 20:15:24 they still do Sep 03 20:15:32 but UI side for example did not Sep 03 20:15:35