**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Oct 03 03:00:00 2014
Oct 03 04:35:28 <modulusshift> I'm home, guys! The Pre Plus was my first smartphone, and I still find myself missing it when I'm using my Moto G from time to time... So I'm firing it up on my Surface Pro 3. Any tips/help pages for running it in VirtualBox? A higher resolution would be nice, if it was supported...
Oct 03 04:37:18 <modulusshift> I wasn't quite clear, yes, I'm running latest 32-bit release of LuneOS in VirtualBox.
Oct 03 04:43:17 <ka6sox> modulusshift, latest as of when?
Oct 03 04:45:50 <modulusshift> The tweets announcing today's release that convinced me not to wait any longer trying it out. :)
Oct 03 04:47:17 <ka6sox> ah, okay, thats why I asked
Oct 03 04:50:16 <ka6sox> I don't know about higher resolution.  curious as to why you aren't using qemux86-64
Oct 03 04:50:25 <modulusshift> The install guide is perfectly adequate, but the resources, on the wiki at least, sort of seem to dump new users off there. I'd be happy to help starting to rectify that.
Oct 03 04:51:03 <modulusshift> Not using 64 because there's a notice on the wiki saying keyboard/mouse support is broken for 64, use 32. Is that obsolete now? :)
Oct 03 04:51:19 <ka6sox> I've not checked that yet...
Oct 03 04:51:25 <ka6sox> so it might be something to verify.
Oct 03 04:51:35 <ka6sox> and do you have an account on the wiki yet?
Oct 03 04:55:03 <modulusshift> I'd be surprised if I didn't, but I bet it's associated with an email address I don't use anymore. Attempting to create a new account.
Oct 03 04:57:25 <ka6sox> please let me know the username (including any capitalizations) so I can get you all setup.
Oct 03 04:59:15 <Herrie|2> morning
Oct 03 04:59:40 <Herrie|Touchpad> ka6sox: 64 bits emu is still broken
Oct 03 05:00:03 <Herrie|Touchpad> It has been for a while, I recently added the comment on the wiki to avoid confusion
Oct 03 05:00:31 <Herrie|Touchpad> Input from mouse & keyboard don't work
Oct 03 05:00:38 <modulusshift> modulusshift, like my nick. though the wiki seems to be doing the weird capitalize the first letter thing when logged in.
Oct 03 05:00:59 <Herrie|Touchpad> JaMa|Off and morphis should look into this sometime.
Oct 03 05:01:43 <Herrie|Touchpad> It's been reported quite some time ago already, but priorities were on other things since 32 bits on still works.
Oct 03 05:06:49 <ka6sox> modulusshift, okay done
Oct 03 05:07:51 <ka6sox> morning Herrie|2
Oct 03 05:08:32 <modulusshift> Okay, how about the mis-centered quick access bar?
Oct 03 05:09:55 <ka6sox> sounds like the emulator needs some Love.
Oct 03 05:14:50 <modulusshift> http://imgur.com/jVQtj1S like so, to reproduce, boot up emulator upon installation. Any reason only two cores? Does 3D acceleration work, if so, why is it off by default?
Oct 03 05:18:51 <ka6sox> re: cores, that kinda is a minimum that you could use…since we don't' know what class of machine you are running it on.
Oct 03 05:19:03 <ka6sox> and I don't know if/why the 3d is off...
Oct 03 05:19:16 <ka6sox> its mostly to be used for verifying apps and creating them.
Oct 03 05:19:25 <ka6sox> so super high performance wasn't the goal.
Oct 03 05:21:14 <modulusshift> Yeah, and besides being a little stuttery, at least stability is rock solid right now. And I mean that it literally won't let me select more than two cores in the settings, though that could be machine specific.
Oct 03 05:30:04 <Herrie> modulusshift: What do you mean by mis-centered? The bar on the bottom that lacks an icon on the left?
Oct 03 05:30:37 <Herrie> On phones it has the phone app there. I think we need to add the browser there since it's in decent shape now for the emulator and tablets
Oct 03 05:31:12 <modulusshift> yeah. i attempted to add an icon, but had issues. ill try again now, im getting the hang of how it works with my touchscreen.
Oct 03 05:31:33 <Herrie> Some of this stuff was static until very recently
Oct 03 05:31:39 <Herrie> So could be it's still buggy to add stuff
Oct 03 05:35:07 <modulusshift> Yeah, you still can't add icons. Can rearrange them. and I suppose the drawer icon being hard locked to the right edge is a feature?
Oct 03 05:35:38 <Herrie> Yeah ;)
Oct 03 05:35:41 <Herrie> I guess so
Oct 03 05:35:46 <modulusshift> Just saying, it looks a little broken at first glance. :)
Oct 03 05:36:00 <Herrie> Yeah I noticed that too ;)
Oct 03 05:36:12 <Herrie> Not sure where this icon is removed tbh
Oct 03 05:36:19 <Herrie> Because it's in the code of the launcher
Oct 03 05:36:28 <Herrie> https://github.com/webOS-ports/luna-next-cardshell/blob/4227673c1a74c1c826d4dfe592ee71d5201d2d8f/qml/LaunchBar/LaunchBar.qml
Oct 03 05:36:29 <Herrie> Line 234
Oct 03 05:38:00 <Herrie> I think it has to do with the fact we don't install the phone app with the non-phone devices
Oct 03 05:38:06 <Herrie> So any reference to it will be broken
Oct 03 05:38:12 <Herrie> I'll try and see if I can fix that somehow
Oct 03 05:38:20 <Herrie> So we'll have the browser instead
Oct 03 05:38:27 <Herrie> So it at least looks less odd
Oct 03 05:41:28 <ka6sox> :)
Oct 03 05:56:16 <Herrie> Ok seems like I need to do a LS2 call to luna-send -n 1 luna://com.palm.applicationManager/getAppInfo '{"appId": "org.webosports.app.phone"}'
Oct 03 05:56:25 <Herrie> Which will return true for phone or false for tablet
Oct 03 05:56:32 <Herrie> Then based on that need to populate icon
Oct 03 05:56:38 <Herrie> Let me see if I can get that sorted today :)
Oct 03 05:57:50 <Herrie> Tofe: ping
Oct 03 06:03:32 <ka6sox> Herrie, wouldn't this show up on TP as well as Emu?
Oct 03 06:03:39 <Herrie> Yes does on TP as well
Oct 03 06:03:51 <Herrie> Always found it odd, but never looked into it with detail
Oct 03 06:03:58 <Herrie> Just checked now while I had some time on my hand
Oct 03 06:04:18 <Herrie> phone app reference is hardcoded, but app is only installed for phone devices
Oct 03 06:04:43 <Herrie> So need to run above LS2 query to find out if app is installed and populate based on the result instead of hard coding to phone app
Oct 03 07:43:07 <Tofe> morning
Oct 03 07:43:09 <Tofe> Herrie: pong
Oct 03 07:43:27 <Herrie|Veer> Tofe: morning
Oct 03 07:45:33 <Tofe> morphis: for 665, you're right, it seems to be feasible right away
Oct 03 07:47:20 <Herrie|Veer> I assume you're OK with me adding some LS2 calls to LNC to figure out if we have phone app installed, if not show browser in launcher or you have another suggestion for this?
Oct 03 07:53:41 <Tofe> I have another suggestion
Oct 03 07:54:10 <Herrie|Veer> OK :P
Oct 03 07:54:22 <Herrie|Veer> Just this was most logical one to me?
Oct 03 07:54:34 <Tofe> We can fill in the launcher with the information stored in luna-platform.conf, as did legacy
Oct 03 07:54:49 <Tofe> I think we already fetch some values from there, don't we?
Oct 03 07:54:51 <Tofe> morphis: ^
Oct 03 07:57:00 <Tofe> We have also a "TabletUi=xxx" in that file already
Oct 03 07:57:20 <Tofe> but it's not tablet specific, more mobile-capability related
Oct 03 07:57:51 <Tofe> depends on what you would like to test
Oct 03 07:58:04 <Herrie|Veer> We could add something there I guess?
Oct 03 07:58:26 <Herrie|Veer> A simple ls2 call as per above can tell if phone app is present :P
Oct 03 08:01:23 <Tofe> It's just that I would like, in the long run, to not store the initial list of apps of the launcher in the LunaNext code
Oct 03 08:01:47 <Herrie|Veer> OK :)
Oct 03 08:01:58 <Herrie|Veer> Then fix that :P
Oct 03 08:02:16 <Tofe> As a temporary patch, though, why not, anyway all that initial filling code will be replaced by the final solution
Oct 03 08:03:15 <Herrie|Veer> Let me sort that then later today, should be straight fwd just need to test a bit
Oct 03 08:03:52 <Tofe> ok
Oct 03 09:13:59 <juristi> Hi!
Oct 03 09:14:35 <juristi> Has there been discussion about utilising the generated .ipks for software updates?
Oct 03 09:15:17 <juristi> Probably not a priority at the moment, but I can see at least release branch users benefiting from easier updates.
Oct 03 09:25:49 <Herrie|Veer> juristi: Not sure to be honest... It's not high on the priority list I think for now ;)
Oct 03 09:37:04 <juristi> Agree, in this phase of development it's not very critical. But it should be on the roadmap somewhere between now and attracting the masses ;)
Oct 03 09:37:51 <juristi> Or some other kind of easy updating system. Just thought that the generated ipkgs and Preware on the device could work quite well together.
Oct 03 09:38:28 <Herrie|Veer> Well we have an update system in Settings app ;)
Oct 03 09:38:50 <Herrie|Veer> Not sure how it actually fully works but Garfonso can tell you I'm sure ;)
Oct 03 09:40:47 <juristi> Oh, true. Didn't remember it, because it currently just shows no updates available :)
Oct 03 09:42:15 <juristi> So just skipped over it, when playing around.
Oct 03 10:01:21 <Herrie|Veer> It should work but only for stable->stable I think
Oct 03 10:01:50 <Herrie|Veer> Not for nightly->nightly or nightly->stable currently I think
Oct 03 10:23:00 <juristi> Ok. Never mind then.
Oct 03 10:28:23 <Herrie|Veer> But we're looking to always improve :)
Oct 03 10:29:16 <juristi> Have to idle on the channel a bit longer, so can suggest something that hasn't already been taken care of ;)
Oct 03 10:29:32 <Herrie|Veer> Just this is the second monthly release, so nothing to test really yet and we also updated the update mechanism a bit, not sure if that would influence Affogato->Antoccino update ;)
Oct 03 14:41:20 <Garfonso> juristi: the update service uses the ipks to update in the stable branch.
Oct 03 14:42:32 <Garfonso> There was a change in the update mechanism for Antoccino, that allows us to flag updates as unsupported for certain devices, I.e
Oct 03 14:43:37 <Garfonso> I.e. Antoccino is unsupported for maguro and gouper.
Oct 03 14:46:58 <Herrie|Veer> Tofe: ping
Oct 03 15:01:42 <Herrie|Veer> HaDAk: morning! How's QML going?
Oct 03 15:01:53 <HaDAk> good morning Herrie|Veer.
Oct 03 15:02:12 <HaDAk> i'm dealing with some personal stuff this morning. my brain hasn't kicked into QML mode yet. it was a rough night.
Oct 03 15:04:43 <Herrie|Veer> No worries, was just wondering, let me know in case you have questions. I'm not very experienced but might be able to help :P
Oct 03 15:05:06 <HaDAk> thanks. as soon as i get myself all emotionally situated, i'll take a look at it.
Oct 03 15:15:48 <Herrie|Veer> OK :)
Oct 03 15:22:46 <juristi> Garfonso: Sounds good. Any plans for the same in the testing branch? Or is there need for app development to continuously get system/framework updates?
Oct 03 15:27:51 <nizovn> ka6sox: maybe you can fix bug tracker url too?
Oct 03 15:33:03 <ka6sox> nizovn, good point!
Oct 03 16:41:43 <Herrie> tofe/morphis: Any idea why I don't get anything in journalctl when I put console.log in Luna-Next Carshell QML files? I get output in QtCreator console, so must be an option somewhere?
Oct 03 16:49:08 <Garfonso> juristi: morphis says it would break the system. From my experience that is true. Don't really know why. So short answer is: no.
Oct 03 17:05:38 * DougReeder returns
Oct 03 17:16:40 <DougReeder> If I see the LuneOS logo on a black screen like at startup, does that always mean luna-next has restarted?
Oct 03 17:18:51 <ka6sox> DougReeder, does it glow or not?
Oct 03 17:19:05 <DougReeder> I’m not sure.
Oct 03 17:22:37 <Herrie> DougReeder: I think yet
Oct 03 17:22:47 <Herrie> It happens quite frequently still....
Oct 03 17:23:02 <Herrie> I get it mainly when vkb shows and hides or something around it's border
Oct 03 17:23:51 <DougReeder> I was gettingthe screen to tun on
Oct 03 17:28:08 <ka6sox> nizovn, done
Oct 03 17:28:21 <ka6sox> took me a few minutes to see the issue :(
Oct 03 17:29:30 <nizovn> ka6sox: thanks
Oct 03 18:01:35 <Herrie> In general it would be good if someone would do some cleaning up of our C(++)-code with Valgrind or similar to sort issues with pointers etc
Oct 03 18:02:00 <Herrie> Could be that would solve some of the issues we've been seeing in various bits
Oct 03 18:07:17 <nizovn> Herrie: doing this now:) at least updating qt will fix some small leaks.
Oct 03 18:09:12 <Herrie> nizovn: YEah, but also the app launchers and other bits in C++. There have been quite some memory leaks in legacy. Quite some were sorted by LG as well, but I'm sure there will be some left here and there
Oct 03 18:09:26 <Herrie> But C++ isn't my territory;)
Oct 03 18:15:25 <DougReeder> Is there a way to force the browser to reload, ignoring its cache?
Oct 03 18:20:44 <Aressel> Does LuneOS support the appinfo noWindow flag at this point?
Oct 03 18:32:55 <Herrie> DougReeder: Not sure... AFAIK there's no way to clear cache from QML only from C++
Oct 03 18:33:12 <Herrie> I think however cookies etc are stored somewhere in /media/internal/webkit or something
Oct 03 18:33:20 <Herrie> I recall seeing something like that
Oct 03 18:33:37 <Herrie> Aressel: I think yes, but only for a select number of (core) apps?
Oct 03 18:33:41 <DougReeder> Mmm, that’s not critical, but it does make tweaking web apps for the browser more difficult.
Oct 03 18:34:02 <Herrie> Yeah need to look into that
Oct 03 18:34:11 <Herrie> Still lots of WIP and ToDo ;)
Oct 03 18:34:51 <Aressel> Herrie: Okay, thanks. I just updated my TP to the latest release, and it looks like the current feedspider build won't launch
Oct 03 18:34:59 <DougReeder> Zap’s gallery for older browsers works fine, but the Enyo gallery has issues.  I should update that to the latest stable Enyo before complaining, though.
Oct 03 18:52:05 <Garfonso> Aressel: noWindow is not supported, only email app works with that.
Oct 03 18:52:41 <Garfonso> Don't remember the reason anymore.
Oct 03 18:59:42 <Herrie> We "don't want" it I think was the reason ;) We could allow some apps though I guess... It's configured somewhere, don't know where though...
Oct 03 19:00:31 <Herrie> I think the consensus was that noWindow was not really a requirement anymore but was some workaround required for legacy for some things... Not sure been a while since that discussion was
Oct 03 19:00:39 <Herrie> Lemme search logs
Oct 03 19:04:32 <Herrie> Nothing interesting there though :S
Oct 03 19:04:39 <Herrie> Should work when we allow them somewhere...
Oct 03 19:04:44 <Herrie> In some launcherI guess
Oct 03 19:05:34 <Herrie> Ah: https://github.com/webOS-ports/webapp-launcher/blob/7e266014cab64b45f3110324ee11d2e6971fd286/src/webapplauncher.cpp
Oct 03 19:05:39 <Herrie> mAllowedHeadlessApps << "com.palm.app.email";
Oct 03 21:31:46 <Aressel> Okay, fortunately I shimmed the whole thing in, so it's relatively easy to do a Lune-OS specific build. (Already tested that as working). How are relaunch + dashboard notifications handled?
Oct 03 21:39:47 <Aressel> The voodoo that I'm doing is to launch the app headless, check to see if we are notifying about the unread count, and then pop up a dashboard notification or the main window as required
Oct 03 22:15:26 <Aressel> Herrie: does the browser support cross-app launching?
Oct 03 22:42:10 <Aressel> Herrie: never mind, figured it out
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