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Jan 05 03:46:07 <HaDAk> takeout worked great to grab my tablet apps...not so much for my phone. returns me to the form instead of pulling up my list of apps.
Jan 05 03:46:17 <HaDAk> suggestions?
Jan 05 03:52:52 <HaDAk> looks like it's probably a php error... if somebody could check the logs?
Jan 05 04:29:38 <HaDAk> ya know... never mind. i figured out a different solution. still an issue for others though, i'm sure.
Jan 05 09:40:18 <morphis> morning
Jan 05 09:40:38 <morphis> Herrie, Tofe: hm, somehow I got it wrong then how dashboard windows interact with the rest
Jan 05 09:40:41 <Herrie|Veer> morning
Jan 05 09:41:20 <Herrie|Veer> morphis: No worries can happen. Just did some scenarios on my Veer and sent them across for reference
Jan 05 09:41:36 <morphis> saw your mail
Jan 05 09:42:01 <morphis> so the only thing we have to change is that the window correctly resizes its content
Jan 05 09:42:43 <morphis> nizovn: feel free to send a PR at any time
Jan 05 09:43:34 <nizovn> morning
Jan 05 09:44:18 <morphis> nizovn: morning
Jan 05 09:44:32 <morphis> Cage1___: it is still in the same state where you left it
Jan 05 09:44:42 <morphis> Cage1___: but we have now the chatthreader and SMS backend support
Jan 05 09:44:48 <morphis> also IM services are there
Jan 05 09:44:57 <morphis> Herrie|Veer: what is with #523?
Jan 05 09:45:04 <morphis> should be fixed now
Jan 05 09:45:12 <Cage1___> Okay any mock data services
Jan 05 09:46:50 <morphis> no
Jan 05 09:47:21 <morphis> but development/testing should be simple with the in-app mock data
Jan 05 09:47:34 <morphis> and creating message objects by hand is also possible
Jan 05 09:47:48 <Herrie|Veer> morphis: Yes and no, dashboard shows but only half width and Tofe needs to rework the code a bit so it doesn't clip at the bottom
Jan 05 09:48:12 <morphis> Herrie|Veer: ok, then we should wait for this fix before we release
Jan 05 09:48:17 <Herrie|Veer> I think you had a local fix for the dash width? Can send you a screenshot when needed
Jan 05 09:48:34 <morphis> ah that one
Jan 05 09:48:43 <Herrie|Veer> The css had hardcoded width of 270px which I think caused it
Jan 05 09:49:39 <Cage1___> I think it is already creating messages
Jan 05 09:51:51 <morphis> Cage1___: yeah, but with test data
Jan 05 09:51:51 <Herrie|Veer> I've seen mock messages when I tried the messaging app in browser
Jan 05 09:52:12 <morphis> we need to integrate theapp with the contact database
Jan 05 09:55:18 <Herrie|Veer> morphis: 775 I think could be an easy fix for you?
Jan 05 09:55:19 <morphis> Herrie|Veer: http://files.gravedo.de/dashboard-clock.png is what we have now
Jan 05 09:56:44 <Herrie|Veer> morphis: Yes, I had a look into the css and it seems 1 gets put to 270px width causing it to look odd at the bottom. There's a split below the Preware icon that shouldn't be there. Quite sure that's around 270px
Jan 05 09:56:58 <morphis> preware icon?
Jan 05 09:57:04 <morphis> this is a clock app dashboard
Jan 05 09:57:56 <morphis> Herrie|Veer: does 775 happen always?
Jan 05 09:58:04 <Herrie|Veer> Yes but the dash has a break in the middle
Jan 05 09:58:10 <Herrie|Veer> Which it shouldn't have
Jan 05 09:58:24 <morphis> right
Jan 05 09:58:36 <morphis> but that is specific for each dashboard
Jan 05 09:59:29 <Herrie|Veer> The email has the same. It's the Enyo 1.0 css that's the issue quite sure
Jan 05 09:59:32 <Herrie|Veer> Let me test it
Jan 05 09:59:41 <Herrie|Veer> 775 seems to happen always for me
Jan 05 10:00:06 <Herrie|Veer> So seems LunaWebAppMgr might not be restarted on LunaNext restart or something like this
Jan 05 10:00:35 <morphis> hm
Jan 05 10:00:44 <morphis> with the latest testing build it works on my N4
Jan 05 10:00:48 <morphis> or is it on the TP?
Jan 05 10:01:02 <Herrie|Veer> I flashed this morning let me try
Jan 05 10:01:08 <Herrie|Veer> N4
Jan 05 10:01:37 <Herrie|Veer> On legacy phones, dash are whole screen width, on tp they were on top with fixed width
Jan 05 10:01:49 <Herrie|Veer> I think that's why it looks odd now
Jan 05 10:04:06 <morphis> hm
Jan 05 10:05:41 <Herrie|Veer> morphis: N4 with latest build: restart Luna Next via Power Menu
Jan 05 10:05:58 <Herrie|Veer> Phone app works, web works, but none of the Enyo 1/2 apps
Jan 05 10:06:07 <morphis> I did that
Jan 05 10:06:19 <morphis> just launched the clock app
Jan 05 10:09:58 <Herrie|Veer> Hmmz adb not working on rebuild
Jan 05 10:10:02 <Herrie|Veer> laptop
Jan 05 10:10:07 <Herrie|Veer> Need to reboot soon I guess
Jan 05 10:11:08 <Herrie|Veer> For the dashboard check /usr/palm/frameworks/enyo/0.10/framework/build/palm/system/dashboard-window/dashboard.css
Jan 05 10:11:30 <morphis> Herrie|Veer: so on a fresh build you get this with doing nothing else but restarting luna-next and directly launching an enyo1/2 app?
Jan 05 10:11:53 <Herrie|Veer> .palm-dashboard-text-container has a fixed width of 270px
Jan 05 10:12:11 <morphis> yeah
Jan 05 10:12:21 <morphis> Herrie|Veer: you can try to fix it through the inspector
Jan 05 10:12:23 <morphis> you ever used it?
Jan 05 10:12:53 <Herrie|Veer> Should be screen width - 50 px which is the width of the .palm-dashboard-icon-container
Jan 05 10:13:05 <Herrie|Veer> When my Adb works :P
Jan 05 10:13:25 <Herrie|Veer> I know how to go to inspector in browser
Jan 05 10:13:33 <Herrie|Veer> Not sure how to use it to fix stuff?
Jan 05 10:15:32 <morphis> you can use it to try new css styles at runtime
Jan 05 10:15:48 <morphis> when you are in the "Elements" view
Jan 05 10:15:58 <morphis> you can pick the dom node and see all applied CSS styles
Jan 05 10:16:08 <morphis> then search the one where the 270px are set
Jan 05 10:16:12 <morphis> and change it to another value
Jan 05 10:16:19 <morphis> you will see the result directly
Jan 05 10:16:28 <Herrie|Veer> OK
Jan 05 10:16:41 <Herrie|Veer> With regards to Luna Next: Yes that's what I did
Jan 05 10:16:52 <Herrie|Veer> Let me reboot laptop to see if ADB will work
Jan 05 10:23:32 <Tofe> morphis, Herrie|Veer: could someone please try that little fix for Dashboard cards ? https://github.com/webOS-ports/luna-next-cardshell/commit/57cc1d74348ee0381b02a6be31e21e95edd3f2af
Jan 05 10:23:39 <Tofe> it replaces the previous one.
Jan 05 10:23:55 <Herrie|Veer> Once my adb works will give it a go
Jan 05 10:24:05 <Tofe> It shouldn't lead to any clipping
Jan 05 10:24:19 <Herrie|Veer> Not sure by the way dashes don't exceed half screen :P
Jan 05 10:24:30 <Herrie|Veer> Just don't have enough scenarios to test :P
Jan 05 10:24:51 <Tofe> there isn't any limit right now, it's a bit harder :)
Jan 05 10:26:45 <Herrie|Veer> Managed to get 4 stacked on my veer (usb, email, calendar + clock). Let me see if I can add even more
Jan 05 10:28:35 <morphis> looks like we really need a test case in testr to create a dashboard panel
Jan 05 10:30:05 <morphis> Herrie|Veer: btw. the volume icons are a way to big
Jan 05 10:30:45 <Herrie|Veer> morphis: How do you mean? On screen or filesize?
Jan 05 10:30:57 <morphis> on scree
Jan 05 10:31:16 <Herrie|Veer> Similar ratio as legacy 2.x
Jan 05 10:31:34 <Herrie|Veer> We might need to differentiate between portrait and landscape
Jan 05 10:35:33 <Herrie|Veer> Seems there is a limit for number of dashboard
Jan 05 10:35:50 <Herrie|Veer> Seems limited to 2/3 of screen height more or less on my Veer
Jan 05 10:45:00 <morphis> Herrie|Veer: you have to scroll them then?
Jan 05 10:45:19 <Tofe> https://github.com/webOS-ports/luna-next-cardshell/pull/165 <-- here, with the limit to half the screen  + scrolling afterwards
Jan 05 10:45:31 <Tofe> not testing on device !
Jan 05 10:45:36 <Tofe> not tested*
Jan 05 10:45:45 <morphis> Herrie|Veer: you have time to test that PR?
Jan 05 10:46:12 <Herrie|Veer> morphis: Once adb works yes :P
Jan 05 10:46:18 <Tofe> :)
Jan 05 11:04:54 <Herrie|Veer> Hmmz my adb is still broken, damn work laptop :P
Jan 05 11:05:10 <Herrie|Veer> Uninstalled usb driver, adb, reinstalled but no luck :s
Jan 05 11:05:20 <Herrie|Veer> Just gets stuck when I run adb devices or adb shell
Jan 05 11:06:55 <EricBlade> every time I plug in a different device, I have to go through Device Manager and re-load the Android ADB driver.
Jan 05 11:08:51 <Herrie|Veer> Well the driver is there, just adb doesn't want to do anything except for locking up
Jan 05 11:09:48 <EricBlade> yeah, i either get that or it just lists nothing found
Jan 05 11:09:58 <EricBlade> i have to kill the adb server, reload the driver, and restart adb
Jan 05 11:10:40 <Herrie|Veer> Well it won't even let me kill adb-server :s
Jan 05 11:23:34 <EricBlade> hey JaMa or anyone else who might know .. is there some known way to quickly clear out old versions of packages in build directories?  i don't really have the disk space on my build machine to be able to hold onto too many copies of large packages, and it's kind of an annoyance to go thru and manually rm them
Jan 05 11:24:08 <morphis> EricBlade: either you drop tmp-glibc completely
Jan 05 11:24:52 <morphis> or you use rm_work/rm_old_work (see conf/local.conf)
Jan 05 11:25:21 <morphis> rm_old_work will be what you want
Jan 05 11:31:46 <JaMa> EricBlade: as morphis says
Jan 05 11:33:35 <morphis> nizovn: btw. the location service works quite nice
Jan 05 11:34:00 <morphis> just 30 km difference between my current location and the one it says I am at :)
Jan 05 11:39:53 <EricBlade> so, with that enabled, that will cause it to rm any old package work before starting in on a new build?
Jan 05 11:40:01 <EricBlade> per package, i assume
Jan 05 11:52:39 * Tofe discovers rm_old_work and  beams
Jan 05 11:55:33 <JaMa> EricBlade: per recipe
Jan 05 11:56:18 <EricBlade> right. so it only removes the old work dir if it needs to build a new one?  very good thing to have.
Jan 05 11:56:37 <EricBlade> for those of us with limited capacity ssd :-)
Jan 05 12:09:16 <nizovn> morphis: yeah, for me too. but geoclue 2.0.0 showed only capital city for me. btw there will be warnings in logs, they will be fixed in next geoclue release.
Jan 05 12:27:31 <Herrie|Veer> Seems adb is working finally
Jan 05 12:29:19 <Tofe> Herrie|Veer: I see, it's not perfect
Jan 05 12:31:33 <Herrie|Veer> Tofe: Well the Veer has a limited resolution just sent you some screenshots across for reference
Jan 05 12:31:41 <Herrie|Veer> Will test your code shortly
Jan 05 12:31:57 <Tofe> Herrie|Veer: oh, that was the Veer ! ok ! :D
Jan 05 12:32:43 <Tofe> (I was thinking "well, there are still some improvements to do, but wow it looks already quite good!" )
Jan 05 12:33:25 <Tofe> I remark the cards are *not* resized
Jan 05 12:34:39 <Herrie|Veer> Just so you have some reference
Jan 05 12:35:13 <Herrie|Veer> To go by I mean :)
Jan 05 12:35:24 <Tofe> yes, that's a good point
Jan 05 12:35:38 <Herrie|Veer> Ehm your dash is no good now :P
Jan 05 12:35:47 <Herrie|Veer> Takes over half the screen height :P
Jan 05 12:35:47 <Tofe> oh?
Jan 05 12:35:53 <Tofe> oops.
Jan 05 12:36:56 <Herrie|Veer> Sent you screenie again
Jan 05 12:37:58 <Tofe> thx, I see
Jan 05 12:38:13 <Tofe> so the dashboard windows have a fixed height -- but we have to know which one
Jan 05 12:39:51 <Tofe> Herrie|Veer: do you want to play a bit with the height of dashboard items ? I can tell you exactly which line to tinker with
Jan 05 12:39:54 <Herrie|Veer> 52px according to css I think
Jan 05 12:39:54 <Herrie|Veer> Let me double check
Jan 05 12:40:09 <Tofe> We should use Units.gu I guess
Jan 05 12:40:27 <Tofe> isn't it
Jan 05 12:41:24 <Tofe> Herrie|Veer: https://github.com/webOS-ports/luna-next-cardshell/blob/tofe/fixes/qml/DashboardArea.qml#L71 <-- change "window.height" to 52 or to whatever fits better
Jan 05 12:41:26 <Herrie|Veer> Yeah but css will still use px?
Jan 05 12:42:20 <Tofe> I guess it uses px yes, so maybe we should too
Jan 05 12:44:00 <Tofe> Herrie|Veer: oh, I forgot: you'll need to change also other lines -- let me help
Jan 05 12:44:29 <Herrie|Veer> I think height should be 50 according to inspector
Jan 05 12:46:25 <Tofe> Herrie|Veer: https://github.com/webOS-ports/luna-next-cardshell/commit/e7ac774e3bd216a8e89b71c213ca44027f063d4d
Jan 05 12:47:38 <Tofe> I'll maybe rework the commits later on, if there is time
Jan 05 12:49:14 <Herrie|Veer> Now it's back to the old clipping problem :s
Jan 05 12:50:07 <Tofe> ok, well, let's increase the dashboardCardFixedHeight value :)
Jan 05 12:50:27 <Tofe> though it's weird we don't respect the css...
Jan 05 12:50:50 <Tofe> maybe there are some margins
Jan 05 12:53:34 <Herrie|Veer> Yeah well the css is a bit tricky sometimes the way it's build up
Jan 05 12:57:32 <JaMa> EricBlade: I usually use rm_work, because it removes much more
Jan 05 13:01:05 <Herrie|Veer> Tofe: It's either 52, 54 or 55 :s
Jan 05 13:02:24 <Tofe> We'll take what looks best for an initial try
Jan 05 13:02:55 <Tofe> Let's take 56 !
Jan 05 13:13:17 <Herrie|Veer> 56 seems to be OK
Jan 05 13:16:49 <Tofe> it's pushed in the current PR
Jan 05 13:17:53 <Tofe> But I will beautilfullize the PR commits, one moment
Jan 05 13:18:38 <Herrie|Veer> Thnx, is it correct I cannot swipe the dash away yet?
Jan 05 13:21:28 <EricBlade> still can't build lxc due to missing doxyfile
Jan 05 13:21:51 <Tofe> Herrie|Veer: done. Beautiful now.
Jan 05 13:22:30 <Tofe> Herrie|Veer: no, swipe is not implemented; however I could swipe the alarm away when I tried last time on qemu
Jan 05 13:22:46 <Tofe> (it's no qml swipe, but an HTML/JS one)
Jan 05 13:24:12 <Herrie|Veer> Ah it works, but only when on text not on icon
Jan 05 13:24:30 <Herrie|Veer> On Veer it works on icon too
Jan 05 13:24:41 <Herrie|Veer> Need to have a look at tp
Jan 05 13:26:17 <Tofe> Here it's regular Enyo, I can't tell much about it
Jan 05 13:27:42 <Herrie|Veer> Will verify on TP could be behavior is different in 2.x compared to 3.x
Jan 05 13:29:17 <EricBlade> Herrie|Veer: in 3, the swipe is handled by the javascript, in 2 it's handled by sysmgr
Jan 05 13:29:53 <EricBlade> multi-dashboards don't work right in 2.x because of that, they are handled in the javascript
Jan 05 14:22:00 <Herrie|Veer> morphis: Enyo 1/2 apps started working now for me when I do a luna next restart :s
Jan 05 14:22:01 <Herrie|Veer> Restarted luna next a few times and still OK
Jan 05 14:22:02 <Herrie|Veer> Not sure what happened
Jan 05 14:23:21 <Tofe> Herrie|Veer: as-is, is the current PR for dashboard acceptable on device?
Jan 05 14:24:51 <Herrie|Veer> Was able to replicate it NOT working before pretty reliably. I suggest to close 775 for now and revisit when it pops up again
Jan 05 14:25:26 <Herrie|Veer> Tofe: I guess it's a good start
Jan 05 14:25:26 <Herrie|Veer> We can always polish further later
Jan 05 14:25:32 <Tofe> ok. morphis: ^ ready for merge :)
Jan 05 14:27:47 <Herrie|Veer> LunaCE had dashboards with customizable height. We might want to add that later as well :P
Jan 05 14:32:56 <EricBlade> do it better than i did :-)
Jan 05 14:34:15 <EricBlade> maybe allow multiple sizes to be passed in, and tapping or sliding up/down goes between the sizes
Jan 05 14:37:12 <Tofe> Having multiple sizes, from LunaNext point of view, is no big problem; the difficulty will be to decide where to put the desired height value
Jan 05 14:38:58 <EricBlade> yeah, would take some thought on that.  i think originally, i just added a "double height" bool to the window.open call, but it would probably make more sense allowing devs a little more freedom there.
Jan 05 14:41:51 <Herrie|Veer> EricBlade: You might have some ideas on bug 517?
Jan 05 14:42:32 <EricBlade> link pls?
Jan 05 14:42:49 <Herrie|Veer> http://issues.webos-ports.org/issues/517
Jan 05 14:58:41 <EricBlade> Herrie|Veer: have a look at ls-monitor and see who's sending what requests to where?
Jan 05 14:59:23 <EricBlade> i know i did some work inside luna-sysmgr regarding some incorrect VALIDATE_SCHEMA macros, but other than that, I really have no idea what's going on in there
Jan 05 15:02:25 <Herrie|Veer> OK thnx for pointer will have a look
Jan 05 15:26:54 <EricBlade> that actually could be a side effect of my fixing those broken macros, that didn't show up until someone moved the code to somewhere outside of lsm.  but more likely, it looks like AppManager is not supporting a parameter that it should
Jan 05 15:31:17 <Herrie|Veer> I added a bit of ls-monitor output
Jan 05 15:57:38 <EricBlade> Herrie|Veer: that looks like an obnoxious amount of output coming from the batteryStatus api, but i don't see anything relevant to an "optional" keyword
Jan 05 15:58:23 <Herrie|Veer> EricBlade: Not sure, not familiar with the inner workings of LunaSysMgr etc
Jan 05 16:26:20 <HaDAk> EricBlade: LG had better announce something webOS-y. (watching the keynote liveblog on engadget now)
Jan 05 16:26:38 * HaDAk prepares his table-flip
Jan 05 16:26:58 <GodGinrai> oh
Jan 05 16:27:03 <GodGinrai> CES has started already?
Jan 05 16:27:09 <HaDAk> today
Jan 05 16:27:15 <HaDAk> http://www.engadget.com/2015/01/05/lg-ces-2015-liveblog/?ncid=rss_truncated#!post=73905
Jan 05 16:27:21 <EricBlade> HaDAk: http://live.theverge.com/lg-ces-2015-press-conference-liveblog/#/entry/64590/71000
Jan 05 16:27:43 <HaDAk> EricBlade: yeah, but that's boring
Jan 05 16:28:03 <GodGinrai> HaDAk: I see webOS 2.0
Jan 05 16:28:15 <GodGinrai> in the liveblog that EricBlade linked
Jan 05 16:28:21 <HaDAk> yeah, i know all about that
Jan 05 16:29:29 <EricBlade> http://live.theverge.com/lg-ces-2015-press-conference-liveblog/#/entry/64546/27000
Jan 05 16:29:37 <HaDAk> i saw that too
Jan 05 16:29:49 <EricBlade> then quityercomplainin :P
Jan 05 16:31:20 <EricBlade> it kind of makes me sad that it takes over a gig of RAM just to git clone webkit. :-S
Jan 05 16:31:25 <EricBlade> and takes a couple of hours
Jan 05 16:32:04 <GodGinrai> Laundry like Never before
Jan 05 16:32:06 <GodGinrai> oh dear god
Jan 05 16:32:54 <EricBlade> hey just because you guys aren't into laundry machines, doesn't mean it's not a big part of someone's business :P
Jan 05 16:32:54 <GodGinrai> lol
Jan 05 16:33:01 <GodGinrai> I just want a webOS watch announcement
Jan 05 16:33:29 <GodGinrai> because I know they won't do what we all want and announce a new webOS phone
Jan 05 16:33:56 <HaDAk> GodGinrai: exactly my point. exactly that.
Jan 05 16:34:04 <HaDAk> i'll buy the goddamn watch *today*
Jan 05 16:34:07 <HaDAk> today.
Jan 05 16:34:10 <HaDAk> make it happen, EricBlade
Jan 05 16:34:18 <HaDAk> also, i spent all night playing with my touchpad and pre2
Jan 05 16:34:23 <HaDAk> brought a tear to my eye.
Jan 05 16:34:26 <HaDAk> great devices.
Jan 05 16:34:39 <HaDAk> oh, and if it's helpful to anyone...i have all the doctors for all the devices for all the versions
Jan 05 16:34:52 <HaDAk> plus some sdk stuffs
Jan 05 16:34:52 <HaDAk> i can share it all
Jan 05 16:35:36 <HaDAk> https://gofile.me/2y9J3/XR83Xf2j
Jan 05 16:36:01 <HaDAk> try not to pirate my apps. :|
Jan 05 16:39:11 <HaDAk> mobile team. *wrings hands*
Jan 05 16:39:11 <HaDAk> let's do this.
Jan 05 16:41:07 <Herrie|Veer> HaDAk: I got all Doctors too :P + pretty much a whole dump of the various app catalogs free apps :P + 250 or so paid ones + reviews... Just need to scrape the screenshots and icons still :P
Jan 05 16:41:29 <HaDAk> Herrie|Veer: lemme know when you get that. i want to archive it on my site, too.
Jan 05 16:42:10 <HaDAk> Herrie|Veer: those apps are just the ones i pulled from the app catalog last night. my purchases, or whatever.
Jan 05 16:43:27 <Herrie|Veer> Yeah I have my purchases + from some people who donated some profiles to me :)
Jan 05 16:43:39 <HaDAk> in reality, i suspect MOST of them will never be installed by anyone, ever.
Jan 05 16:43:45 <HaDAk> BUT...it's nice to have a historical archive.
Jan 05 16:43:54 <GodGinrai> FOUR CURVES?!?! OH MAN
Jan 05 16:43:55 <GodGinrai> :P
Jan 05 16:44:07 <HaDAk> GodGinrai: more curves than yer mom.
Jan 05 16:44:07 <Herrie|Veer> Got some help from someone with a Pre and Pixi as well to pull apps specifically for those phones :P
Jan 05 16:44:39 <HaDAk> Herrie|Veer: if you get me the archive, we can work to build a web-based catalog, or a new preware feed for them or something.
Jan 05 16:44:45 <Herrie|Veer> Next step is to see which ones are Enyo and test them on LuneOS :)
Jan 05 16:44:58 <Herrie|Veer> Well we have copyright issues there ;)
Jan 05 16:45:20 <HaDAk> it'll be a private repo then
Jan 05 16:45:20 <HaDAk> :P
Jan 05 16:45:27 <HaDAk> i was going to do that for MY apps anyway.
Jan 05 16:45:32 <GodGinrai> the Pre had curves long before any of these other phones
Jan 05 16:45:35 <GodGinrai> whoop-de-doo
Jan 05 16:45:36 <HaDAk> i'll have to look at what it takes to create a feed, though
Jan 05 16:45:37 <GodGinrai> :P
Jan 05 16:46:11 <Herrie|Veer> :)
Jan 05 16:46:33 <Herrie|Veer> Need to sanitize because I pulled all available IPK's for all devices where possible
Jan 05 16:46:45 <GodGinrai>  8:44:39 AM PST
Jan 05 16:46:45 <GodGinrai> Android Lollipop is the obvious choice of operating system.
Jan 05 16:46:46 <Herrie|Veer> So I'm sure there are duplicates in them :P
Jan 05 16:46:48 <GodGinrai> [/rage]
Jan 05 16:47:29 <Herrie|Veer> Need to see if I can do that easily. I recall some bits were added to each IPK to identify the device but not sure
Jan 05 16:49:10 <GodGinrai> "There's a new tweak on the software front, looking at selfies. You can still use a fist gesture to make the camera take a selfie, but now when you tilt the phone down to review, it automatically switches to a preview of the shot. Lifting the phone back up brings it back to the front-facing camera for another selfie. It's a touchless selfie-making experience."
Jan 05 16:49:15 <GodGinrai> goddamnit LG
Jan 05 16:49:36 <HaDAk> GodGinrai: agreed
Jan 05 16:51:57 <HaDAk> wrapping things up
Jan 05 16:51:58 <HaDAk> goddammit lg
Jan 05 16:52:01 <HaDAk> pricks.
Jan 05 16:52:09 <GodGinrai> :(
Jan 05 16:53:21 <thrrgilag> wow, was that the sound of tables being flipped across the internet?
Jan 05 16:54:16 <GodGinrai> nah, it was the sound of their new washing machines
Jan 05 16:54:20 <DougReeder> Morning, all
Jan 05 16:55:10 <Herrie|Veer> DougReeder: Morning
Jan 05 16:55:10 <DougReeder> FWIW, “A king-size comforter and a full set of bedding can be dried in one load” would be useful to me. Not that we’re buyin a new dryer in the next decade, I hope.
Jan 05 16:55:59 <Herrie|Veer> Well I have a 7kg LG washer that works just fine for our big bed sheets :P And they fit in the 6kg dryer too :s
Jan 05 16:56:17 <Herrie|Veer> And our bed is 220x200 cm or so :p
Jan 05 16:58:11 <HaDAk> heh. metric.
Jan 05 16:58:27 <HaDAk> fuck the united states and our adherence to non-standard forms of measurement.
Jan 05 16:58:46 <Herrie|Veer> Yeah LOL :P
Jan 05 16:58:46 <GodGinrai> DougReeder: maybe, but it doesn't put webOS on my wrist or in my pocket, so I don't care
Jan 05 16:58:46 <GodGinrai> :P
Jan 05 16:59:31 <DougReeder> Ain’t nobody putting webOS in your pocket except us here.
Jan 05 17:00:13 <GodGinrai> that's likely the case :(
Jan 05 17:00:13 <Herrie|Veer> Yes LOL :)
Jan 05 17:03:52 <DougReeder> I don’t need a better washer. I need my laundry separated and folded, and put away.
Jan 05 17:04:12 <HaDAk> DougReeder: LG doesn't make wives.
Jan 05 17:04:16 <HaDAk> although, being a korean company, they really should break into that market.
Jan 05 17:04:19 <EricBlade> misogyny alert
Jan 05 17:04:19 <DougReeder> … but I’ve done enough robotics to know those are hard problems.
Jan 05 17:04:22 <HaDAk> i'd want me a korean girl.
Jan 05 17:04:31 <HaDAk> EricBlade: can you get me a discount?
Jan 05 17:05:05 <GodGinrai> DougReeder: I've got the perfect thing for you: http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/171470954454?lpid=82&chn=ps
Jan 05 17:06:15 <DougReeder> A nice idea, but I hang my shirts in the closet.
Jan 05 17:06:51 <HaDAk> then you don't need them folded
Jan 05 17:06:55 <GodGinrai> DougReeder: then they don't need to be folded, now do they?
Jan 05 17:07:20 * DougReeder smiles “But my *pants* need to be folded.
Jan 05 17:07:36 <HaDAk> DougReeder: no, your pants need to be *worn*
Jan 05 17:07:42 <GodGinrai> DougReeder: you don't hang your pants?
Jan 05 17:07:43 <HaDAk> simple solution: one pair of pants.
Jan 05 17:08:02 <HaDAk> GodGinrai: i only hang dress pants, myself. jeans are folded and tossed in a drawer, because fuck it.
Jan 05 17:08:02 <DougReeder> Like a millionare, I can only wear one pair of pants at a time.
Jan 05 17:08:08 <HaDAk> DougReeder: lies
Jan 05 17:08:22 <HaDAk> DougReeder: if there are kids out there that can pop FOUR collars at once, you can figure out how to wear two pairs of jeans.
Jan 05 17:08:57 * DougReeder snorts
Jan 05 17:09:22 <HaDAk> http://www.funnyjunk.com/funny_pictures/206729/5
Jan 05 17:09:28 <HaDAk> zomg. *5* popped collars.
Jan 05 17:09:31 <HaDAk> that's a new level of cool.
Jan 05 17:09:49 <HaDAk> jesus
Jan 05 17:09:49 <HaDAk> http://static.squarespace.com/static/5075b8a6e4b01e64d21509a8/5075d3b484aeb5b6dbfe831c/5075d5c2c4aa988a6fd04334/1349899714454/popped-collar-1.jpg?format=500w
Jan 05 17:09:53 <HaDAk> 23. 23 popped collars.
Jan 05 17:10:31 <DougReeder> Huh, two decades, I was ahead of the curve.
Jan 05 17:11:08 <HaDAk> obviously.
Jan 05 17:11:11 <HaDAk> so, no excuses.
Jan 05 17:11:24 <HaDAk> you can *probably* wear your entire wardrobe.
Jan 05 17:11:26 <HaDAk> just rotate the layers.
Jan 05 17:16:45 <DougReeder> Oh, FWIW, all dashboards and popup windows were 320 CSS pixels wide, under webOS.
Jan 05 17:16:53 <HaDAk> good to know.
Jan 05 17:17:21 <HaDAk> i'm busily writing my new website (beta.hanskokx.photography)... it's built on bootstrap, but i might put in a webOS theme if i can find (or create) it.
Jan 05 17:17:28 <HaDAk> webOS-y widgets would be sexy.
Jan 05 17:17:50 <GodGinrai> HaDAk: just write the site in Enyo :P
Jan 05 17:18:08 <HaDAk> GodGinrai: i'm not convinced that i can do all that i want to do in enyo
Jan 05 17:18:11 <HaDAk> but i might be able to
Jan 05 17:18:28 <HaDAk> i'm too far into development at this point to switch, and i NEED to get this thing done.
Jan 05 17:18:34 <GodGinrai> ah
Jan 05 17:18:41 <HaDAk> there are features i HAVE to have working in a month that aren't even planned yet.
Jan 05 17:18:52 <HaDAk> it's going to be hell
Jan 05 17:19:29 <GodGinrai> heh
Jan 05 18:06:24 <EricBlade> Device Tree Compiler has moved to git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/utils/dtc/dtc.git .. for anyone who may need it
Jan 05 18:52:17 <morphis> Tofe: there is one thing missing I would like to have fixed for the release
Jan 05 18:52:23 <morphis> when you relaunch an app
Jan 05 18:52:32 <morphis> it's card slowly slides in from the side
Jan 05 18:52:37 <morphis> that needs to be quite faster
Jan 05 19:03:27 <EricBlade> http://consumerist.com/2015/01/05/lg-figures-out-what-to-do-with-washing-machine-pedestals-put-a-small-washer-in-them/
Jan 05 19:03:30 <EricBlade> Yo dawg.
Jan 05 19:04:35 <GodGinrai> oh god
Jan 05 19:05:15 <EricBlade> I heard you like laundering, so I put a laundry machine in your laundry machine, so you can wash the clothes while you wash the clothes.
Jan 05 19:06:25 <GodGinrai> but what does it matter?  You've got only one dryer
Jan 05 19:10:34 <scoutcamper> rofl
Jan 05 19:10:40 <scoutcamper> ill have to check that out tommorow(CES here i come!)
Jan 05 19:10:41 <EricBlade> just wait till CES 2016!
Jan 05 19:11:43 <scoutcamper> by CES 2016 i want edible clothes, wear them, then eat them
Jan 05 19:11:59 <scoutcamper> laundry is so 2014
Jan 05 19:18:05 <EricBlade> yeah, laundry around here never quite gets completed.  we tend to make use of our floordrobe a lot.
Jan 05 19:18:15 <GodGinrai> floordrobe?
Jan 05 19:19:07 <EricBlade> like a wardrobe. but it's actually just the floor.
Jan 05 19:19:19 <scoutcamper> heh
Jan 05 19:19:51 <EricBlade> we tend to not get things hung up on hangers or folded and put away in drawers, we usually just pull what we need out of the laundry basket after it's washed.  but if we run out of laundry baskets.. well...
Jan 05 19:20:02 <EricBlade> this is what we get for having way too many people in our household :-S
Jan 05 19:20:07 <scoutcamper> lol
Jan 05 19:20:22 <GodGinrai> "run out of laundry baskets"... <.<
Jan 05 19:20:36 <scoutcamper> Amazon's Lab126 is having a mass reorg/layoff today.
Jan 05 19:20:36 <EricBlade> it's been better since two of the kids moved out
Jan 05 19:20:55 <EricBlade> but one of them really wants to move back home in a couple of months. sigh.
Jan 05 19:21:59 <GodGinrai> EricBlade: are they in college?
Jan 05 19:22:11 <EricBlade> they go to a community college
Jan 05 19:22:40 <GodGinrai> are they currently in an apartment or dorms?
Jan 05 19:25:13 <EricBlade> they moved out together, and they can't stand it after a year
Jan 05 19:25:40 <GodGinrai> oh god
Jan 05 19:26:00 <GodGinrai> why would they move in with their sibling?
Jan 05 19:28:10 <EricBlade> they used to like each other
Jan 05 19:28:39 <EricBlade> they are in an apartment
Jan 05 19:29:02 <EricBlade> splitting their bills was a great idea, until one of them decided to change jobs.
Jan 05 19:29:14 <EricBlade> and thats when everyone started not liking each other so much
Jan 05 19:30:27 <HaDAk> where's Sören?
Jan 05 19:32:07 <morphis> JaMa: when the current testing builds are done, can you create a new stage?
Jan 05 19:33:27 <morphis> Herrie|2: can you help me with creating the changelog?
Jan 05 19:34:20 <GodGinrai> EricBlade: that's the point.  Living with siblings, you feel more comfortable, so you will be more selfish, which will make them angry at each other
Jan 05 19:34:54 <GodGinrai> EricBlade: living with someone else, they have to respect that person, so they won't try to be selfish
Jan 05 19:36:32 <GodGinrai> EricBlade: tell your kid that if he doesn't want to live w/ his sibling, that he needs to find himself a roommate and get an apartment with him
Jan 05 19:36:35 <GodGinrai> or get a dorm room
Jan 05 19:36:54 <Herrie|2> morphis: Sure
Jan 05 19:39:51 <JaMa> morphis: ok
Jan 05 19:40:00 <JaMa> morphis: how far are we from release?
Jan 05 19:40:04 <morphis> very close
Jan 05 19:40:08 <morphis> just preparing the changelog
Jan 05 19:40:20 <EricBlade> nah, we told her she can come back, but she can't bring her cat, rat, or rabbit.
Jan 05 19:40:27 <JaMa> morphis: meta-lune* should be usable now, with few recipes in "unused" directory which can be re-added later
Jan 05 19:40:41 <morphis> JaMa: great
Jan 05 19:40:42 <EricBlade> and she still has to pay rent.
Jan 05 19:41:12 <EricBlade> we figured that would discourage her enough to change her mind by the time she can get out of the lease on her current place
Jan 05 19:50:03 <Herrie|2> Tofe/morphis: I'm doing some LUna Next debugging: I think I do something wrong with this step: Dec 07 19:25:33 <Tofe> beware: for LUNA_NEXT_OPTIONS, you'll need to quote the value with "
Jan 05 19:50:27 <Herrie|2> Failed to start luna-next\x20-plugin\x20evdevtouch:-dev-input-event2\x20-plugin\x20evdevkeyboard.service: Unit luna-next\x20-plugin\x20evdevtouch:-dev-input-event2\x20-plugin\x20evdevkeyboard.service failed to load: No such file or director
Jan 05 19:51:32 <Herrie|2> I did export LUNA_NEXT_OPTIONS="-plugin evdevtouch:/dev/input/event2 -plugin evdevkeyboard" but I guess that might not be quoted correctly?
Jan 05 19:56:27 <Herrie|2> morphis: Seems you might have missed some PR's still? https://github.com/webOS-ports/meta-webos-ports/pulls
Jan 05 20:21:17 <i2y4n> Herrie|2: I just managed to figure out how to install LuneOS on my N4 with a Mac. I figured I could add some notes to make it easier for the next guy. But your warning scared me since I don’t know exactly what I’m doing.
Jan 05 20:24:19 <Herrie|2> i2y4n: Don't worry
Jan 05 20:24:29 <Herrie|2> You can just make a page and I'll add it to the tempalte
Jan 05 20:27:30 <Herrie|2> I just made you "human" so you should be able to create pages ;)
Jan 05 20:30:02 <i2y4n> I can’t figure out how to add a page :/
Jan 05 20:32:20 <Herrie|2> Just enter something in the search box
Jan 05 20:32:57 <Herrie|2> When it cannot find the page it'll ask you if you want to create it
Jan 05 20:35:21 <i2y4n> *thumbs up*
Jan 05 20:38:16 <i2y4n> Okay, I put my notes here. http://www.webos-ports.org/wiki/Install_luneos_with_a_mac
Jan 05 20:38:32 <Herrie|2> OK I'll integrate them
Jan 05 20:38:39 <Herrie|2> Probably tomorrow
Jan 05 22:39:32 <Tofe> Herrie|2: you still need to start luna-next with "luna-next $LUNA_NEXT_OPTIONS"
Jan 05 22:40:43 <Tofe> morphis: yes, I'll look into that. I think I can even reproduce it on Qt Desktop, so it'll go faster.
Jan 05 22:43:09 <Herrie|2> Tofe: I did that....
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