**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Feb 20 02:59:59 2015 Feb 20 07:37:35 Tofe: ping Feb 20 07:38:50 morphis: Certificate part looks good! Feb 20 07:39:19 Herrie: thanks Feb 20 07:43:17 That's why you needed FilePicker working again :P ? Feb 20 08:09:25 Herrie|2: yeah Feb 20 09:49:50 morning Feb 20 09:52:22 Garfonso: morning Feb 20 09:52:35 Garfonso: the latest build should hopefully have the network confidence thing fixed now Feb 20 10:21:01 morphis: Media-hub will do audio handling as well? So switching speaker to bluetooth etc? Feb 20 10:30:16 morphis: pong Feb 20 10:31:54 morphis: who needs network confidence nowadays ? just buy a Lenovo ;) Feb 20 10:33:08 (or a gemalto powered sim card) Feb 20 11:09:02 morphis: yeah, it's working. :) Feb 20 11:26:30 Herrie|Veer: no Feb 20 11:26:46 not sure if we will use media-hub Feb 20 11:26:50 was just playing a bit Feb 20 11:27:12 Herrie|Veer: what we need is some solution to do policy decision when multiple apps are playing audio Feb 20 11:27:22 like carding first app stops its audio Feb 20 11:27:46 and focussing second app let it play audio again Feb 20 11:27:55 same goes for video Feb 20 11:28:22 but I think we will use a more simpler approach than media-hub Feb 20 11:37:02 Ah ok :) Not sure how legacy did it... Feb 20 12:15:56 simpler approaches than in legacy are usually a good idea. :) Feb 20 12:50:51 That's also true :) Feb 20 13:42:00 Garfonso: so was it handled in legacy? Feb 20 13:42:39 what? Feb 20 13:42:49 * Garfonso is confused. Feb 20 13:45:31 audio playback Feb 20 13:45:38 with multiple players Feb 20 13:50:36 I actually don't have a clue. :) Feb 20 13:51:09 * Garfonso hates noise coming from his devices.. :p Feb 20 13:51:18 :) Feb 20 13:52:11 but I can try Feb 20 13:56:53 on TP I just saw, that if a second app starts to make noise, the first one stops (and even gets notified, because some of them allow to press play again, not all though). If you start noise on the first app again, the second app gets stopped. Feb 20 14:02:03 Garfonso: ah Feb 20 14:05:32 Garfonso: implementing that should be not that complex Feb 20 14:05:44 afaik legacy did some more here to centralize playing etc. Feb 20 14:29:17 Consider a music player - its sound should not stop when you go to card mode. Feb 20 14:29:46 But a game should not play music when not maximized. Feb 20 14:30:06 i suspect it was probably up to the apps. Feb 20 14:30:16 Does the API allow apps to declare which policy they should follow? Feb 20 14:30:49 Certainly apps get notified when they go to card mode. Feb 20 14:31:14 And we want to allow multiple apps to play sound at once. Feb 20 14:31:57 I’d turn off the music in Glyder, start Pandora, but still have the sound effects in Glyder. Feb 20 14:36:13 morphis: fwd you email from Benjamin re timezones Feb 20 14:36:37 Herrie|Veer: that looks a lot better Feb 20 14:37:19 OK I can fix that should be fairly easy, Feb 20 14:37:32 good Feb 20 14:41:47 One feature we might adopt from web browsers, is, in card mode, displaying an icon next to cards that are playing sound. Feb 20 14:42:30 So when your phone is making noise and you don’t know why, it’s easy to identify and kill the offending app. Feb 20 14:43:56 We might consider another icon for apps that are using lots of resources while minimized. That’s harder to quantify, though. Feb 20 14:45:37 Do we have a “backlog” separate from the issues tracker? Feb 20 14:47:26 There is the Architecture page: http://webos-ports.org/wiki/Architecture Feb 20 14:56:02 DougReeder we still have some things in Trello but it's not that actively used. Feb 20 14:56:19 * DougReeder nods Feb 20 14:57:18 At work, we’ve found it useful to distinguish wstuff we’re working on now or in the near future, from stuff we plan to do someday. Feb 20 14:58:28 That's why we had Trello in general Feb 20 14:58:52 * DougReeder nods Feb 20 14:59:00 But lately after we've involved community more some things have moved to issue tracker instead Feb 20 14:59:08 Like some feature requests Feb 20 15:00:14 * DougReeder nods Feb 20 15:16:46 DougReeder: yeah it's pretty helpful to have those lists but also hard to maintain when you only spend a few hours on everything Feb 20 15:16:57 * DougReeder nods Feb 20 16:25:55 Hey, in the Settings app, is setting the time supposed to work? Feb 20 16:28:09 DougReeder: Good questions :P Feb 20 16:29:10 It doens’t seem to work on my TP Feb 20 16:29:47 Seems to change it and right away back to old Feb 20 16:29:59 Would need to debug that a bit Feb 20 16:30:12 Probably the network time toggle is interfering Feb 20 16:30:30 Ie device thinks it should use network time still while toggle is off Feb 20 16:31:11 Okay, I didn’t break it, then. :-S Feb 20 16:32:26 No the toggles seem buggy in general Feb 20 16:32:31 Also the telephony ones Feb 20 16:32:39 You might want to look into that Feb 20 16:32:52 When you toggle them they toggle back automatically Feb 20 16:32:59 Could be some timing issue Feb 20 16:33:10 I'm no good in Enyo :P Feb 20 16:33:21 At the moment, I’m updating Settings to work with the de-overlapped webos-lib Feb 20 16:33:22 So leave the debugging to people who are :P Feb 20 16:33:36 Yeah that might sort something Feb 20 16:33:49 But on latest image I have time issue as well Feb 20 16:33:58 Is any one focussing on the Settings app? Feb 20 16:34:01 So it's not your de-overlapping exercise Feb 20 16:34:15 Cobblemonster did a fair bit in the past Feb 20 16:34:34 For the rest Garfonso and morphis did some things Feb 20 16:35:26 DougReeder: feel very welcome to improve settings app where needed :) Feb 20 16:35:41 * DougReeder smiles Feb 20 16:36:15 I would really love to have unit tests while doing this refactoring. Feb 20 16:37:16 :) Feb 20 16:49:17 unit tests would be great... if someone is uppon them, feel free to implement a bunch of them fro c+dav. *whistle* Feb 20 17:00:14 DougReeder: for the calculator app we have afaik some Feb 20 17:00:25 Ah, good. Feb 20 17:01:06 They need to be automatically run, or they tend to lose usefullness. Feb 20 17:02:06 For JS apps, I think running them when the Enyo build script is run would do. Feb 20 17:03:09 However, what you can test without a DOM is limited. Feb 20 17:03:35 Would people be okay with adding PhantomJS to the required tools? Feb 20 17:14:37 morphis: https://github.com/webOS-ports/luna-webappmanager/pull/17 just running through all frames is not enough for apps that open InAppBrowser in the main window (like MoboReader :)) Feb 20 17:15:17 DougReeder: I have plenty of disk space, bring on the tools. :p Feb 20 17:15:19 Garfonso: good catch Feb 20 17:15:47 Garfonso: can you fix that for userClickedDone also? Feb 20 17:15:55 phantomjs looks nice. Hm Feb 20 17:16:15 morphis: I didn't do that? Strange.. :) Feb 20 17:20:00 morphis: done. Feb 20 17:20:05 Garfonso: thanks Feb 20 17:20:28 Garfonso: merged, can you do the PR for meta-webos-ports too? Feb 20 17:24:25 apparently I can: https://github.com/webOS-ports/meta-webos-ports/pull/117:) Feb 20 17:32:07 Garfonso: thanks Feb 20 17:33:38 Herrie|2: ping Feb 20 17:59:38 morphis: pong Feb 20 18:14:10 Herrie|2: is the incoming call dialog above the launch bar? Feb 20 18:17:04 On legacy? Feb 20 18:17:23 You mean launchbar visible while there's a dialog? Feb 20 18:18:57 Sent you screenshot Feb 20 18:19:02 It covers launchbar Feb 20 18:19:08 But there are different variants Feb 20 18:21:48 I sent you one for when charger isn't ocnnected Feb 20 18:22:00 Will try to take another on touchstone and also when charger is connected Feb 20 18:24:01 Herrie|2: so its above the launchbar Feb 20 18:24:07 that is true for all popupalerts, right? Feb 20 18:24:12 so also forthe power one? Feb 20 18:24:18 Let me check Feb 20 18:24:23 Will have dinner in a minute Feb 20 18:24:28 WIll make some more screenies afterwards Feb 20 18:24:49 aye Feb 20 18:44:58 Herrie|2: but incoming calls start to work now: https://github.com/webOS-ports/org.webosports.app.phone/commit/70c3952a6fd6a6601fb95eac0bf170efec236a73 Feb 20 19:09:27 morphis: Nice :D Feb 20 19:09:36 I sent you power screenshot Feb 20 19:10:00 I know there's one other screenshot that should be there and that's with green phone on lockscreen, but cannot seems to get that one now Feb 20 19:10:08 ok Feb 20 19:10:15 so we have something for Tofe to rework Feb 20 19:10:26 also the poweralert doesn't resize cards, right? Feb 20 19:10:35 Yeah poweralert is on top Feb 20 19:10:40 good Feb 20 19:10:41 On 3.x on top, on 2.x on bottom Feb 20 19:10:43 But on top Feb 20 19:10:47 Doesn't resize Feb 20 19:10:55 also resizing isn't working Feb 20 19:11:03 the resize event never comes to the app window Feb 20 19:11:09 so the window content isn't properly resized Feb 20 19:12:13 I made anotehr screenshot with incoming call when mail app is open Feb 20 19:13:09 Mail sent Feb 20 19:13:52 thanks Feb 20 19:14:37 3.x might be a bit different but could only test that on Skype Feb 20 19:14:39 ah it resizes to window Feb 20 19:16:00 Yeah it seems like it Feb 20 19:16:06 good Feb 20 19:16:09 so that can stay Feb 20 19:20:55 finally released MoboReader: http://www.webosnation.com/moboreader :) Feb 20 19:21:23 now let's delve into c+dav, again... some guy with 1600 contacts manages to kill the poor thing again and again. *sigh* Feb 20 22:44:16 Hey, is there a way to view the generated documentation before pushing to GitHub? (The current docs are viewable at http://webos-ports.github.io/webos-lib/) Feb 20 23:38:46 "q" seems to be a rather nice replacement for the legacy webos promises library, whatever that was called **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Feb 21 02:59:59 2015