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Feb 26 04:13:20 <DougReeder> All right, Contacts now has a watch on the DB: https://github.com/webOS-ports/org.webosports.app.contacts/pull/15
Feb 26 04:36:24 <DougReeder> morphis, I’m seeing the relaunch bug ( http://issues.webos-ports.org/issues/867) in the latest Testing build.  I can’t re-open the issue; can you?
Feb 26 06:23:33 <Herrie> DougReeder: I also cannot re-open...
Feb 26 07:50:31 <Tofe> morning
Feb 26 08:19:38 <Herrie|Veer> Tofe: morning
Feb 26 08:27:04 <Herrie|Veer> LG Watch Urbane LTE is my thing to look forward to at MWC next week :)
Feb 26 08:27:59 <Tofe> Herrie|Veer: it runs webos ?
Feb 26 08:28:19 <Herrie|Veer> Supposedly :)
Feb 26 08:28:37 <Herrie|Veer> Since it has both LTE and NFC that Android Wear doesn't support (yet) :P
Feb 26 08:28:47 <Tofe> wow. A node.js server in a watch :)
Feb 26 08:29:39 <Herrie|Veer> So could be similar OS as was shown on the "Audi" watch at CES which actually had Open webOS on it as showcased in the video the guys @ Verge and AndroidCentral made :)
Feb 26 08:50:02 <Tofe> :) I'll try to follow it closely too
Feb 26 08:55:39 <Garfonso> morning
Feb 26 09:37:56 <Herrie|Veer> Tofe: On the dashboard rework: Seems that screen doesn't resize properly back after power menu is closed
Feb 26 09:38:12 <Herrie|Veer> That's on latest nightly on N4
Feb 26 09:38:26 <Herrie|Veer> Where morphis asked you to tweak it a bit
Feb 26 09:38:50 <Herrie|Veer> It seems I have a black space height of gesture bar on top of gesture bar
Feb 26 09:38:57 <Herrie|Veer> Can make screenshot if needed
Feb 26 09:47:33 <morphis> Herrie|Veer, Tofe: there are multiple things:
Feb 26 09:47:35 <morphis> the black bar comes from notifications which doesn't have an icon as the default icon is specified with a wrong path
Feb 26 09:47:38 <morphis> next thing is that all dashboard windows have wrong sizes
Feb 26 09:48:06 <Herrie|Veer> morphis: did a PR to fix the colors for restart options in systemui
Feb 26 10:00:17 <morphis> Herrie|Veer: thanks
Feb 26 10:00:34 <morphis> Herrie|Veer: basically everywhere someone creates an dashboard from legacy code the height of the dashboard window is wrong
Feb 26 10:00:43 <morphis> same goes for the popupalert windows
Feb 26 10:01:29 <morphis> see https://github.com/webOS-ports/luna-systemui/blob/575c5c2cf61a55919afc4ad64be06376074b90e6/data/PowerdService.js#L211
Feb 26 10:01:49 <morphis> not sure yet how we calculate a correct height accross different form factors
Feb 26 10:02:17 <Tofe> morphis: so the height fix you did for the poweralert wasn't the correct one, is it ?
Feb 26 10:02:22 <Tofe> was it*
Feb 26 10:03:51 <morphis> Tofe: it just changes the static height
Feb 26 10:04:01 <morphis> works on N4 but didn't tested how it is on the touchpad
Feb 26 10:04:24 <morphis> DougReeder: +1 for http://webos-ports.org/wiki/Swipe_UI
Feb 26 10:05:24 <morphis> Tofe: any good idea for a way to have a correct height accross form factors?
Feb 26 10:10:18 <Herrie|Veer> I think once we have the orientation stuff in place we can have a good think about this
Feb 26 10:10:30 <Herrie|Veer> I saw sensor stuff making good progress
Feb 26 10:10:33 <morphis> why only then?
Feb 26 10:10:47 <morphis> dashboard windows are crippled atm
Feb 26 10:16:49 <Tofe> morphis: these windows are all designed for a phone form factor today, right ?
Feb 26 10:17:20 <morphis> afaik they heights are set for the touchpad form factor
Feb 26 10:18:52 <Tofe> but we can't change their height anyway, if it's set statically by the js code
Feb 26 10:20:36 <Tofe> so it's just about width and layout
Feb 26 10:21:58 <morphis> yeah
Feb 26 10:22:21 <morphis> Tofe: but we can calculate the height dependent on the form factor on the js side
Feb 26 10:22:38 <morphis> or we take all dashboard heights as they would be on the TP and recalculate them
Feb 26 10:22:51 <morphis> but that doesn't work then for new ones
Feb 26 10:23:06 <morphis> in the phone apps I use Units.gu to calculate the height
Feb 26 10:24:15 <Tofe> Can"t we set a global ratio factor for all enyo apps ?
Feb 26 10:24:45 <morphis> in which way?
Feb 26 10:26:50 <Tofe> well, if we modify the openPopup of enyo, and provide the ratio via QmlApplicationWindow, the real popup height could be adaptative
Feb 26 10:26:51 <Herrie|Veer> Hmmz seems the new LG watch uses no Android Wear and no webOS but yet *another* proprietary platform :s
Feb 26 10:27:50 <morphis> Tofe: hm
Feb 26 10:28:03 <Tofe> I'm not comfortable with talking about enyo, as I know so little about it
Feb 26 10:28:18 <morphis> Tofe: basically openPopup gets the height in pixels
Feb 26 10:28:42 <morphis> so either we deprecate that and put in a independent value
Feb 26 10:29:08 <Tofe> or we reinterpret it
Feb 26 10:29:28 <Tofe> (but where, I don't know)
Feb 26 10:30:49 <Herrie|Veer> Couldn't we do a Units.gu in JS somehow as well?
Feb 26 10:30:51 <morphis> hm
Feb 26 10:31:06 <morphis> Herrie|Veer: it would have only this one usecase
Feb 26 10:31:21 <Herrie|Veer> And then vary the height/width based on portrait or landscape orientation
Feb 26 10:31:23 <morphis> we are at a point here where we specify a height outside of the webview
Feb 26 10:33:32 <Tofe> We have also that sort of API in Units: function length(lengthAt132DPI)
Feb 26 10:34:06 <Tofe> ah no sorry, nothing to do with our pb
Feb 26 15:41:58 <Tofe> Herrie: http://9to5google.com/2015/02/25/lg-watch-urbane-lte/
Feb 26 15:47:34 <GodGinrai> Tofe: you just made my day
Feb 26 15:48:07 <GodGinrai> also, how can LG claim their watch has the "world's first NFC-based wallet"?
Feb 26 15:48:20 <GodGinrai> Isn't that what phones have been doing for a while now?
Feb 26 15:48:35 <GodGinrai> Also, IIRC, the iWatch has NFC payments as well
Feb 26 16:06:12 <Tofe> GodGinrai: :)
Feb 26 16:11:42 <HaDAk> i think eric should gift us all Urbane LTEs.
Feb 26 16:13:14 <GodGinrai> I support this idea
Feb 26 16:13:25 <HaDAk> also, i booked my tickets to europe this summer
Feb 26 16:13:37 <HaDAk> if anyone is in spain, sweden, or india... we should meet up. :)
Feb 26 16:18:49 <DougReeder> India is in Europe? Dang.
Feb 26 16:20:45 <DougReeder> For our sysadmins, a practical security reference is https://bettercrypto.org/static/applied-crypto-hardening.pdf
Feb 26 17:52:22 <DougReeder> We need a standard “Undo” UI, analogous to control-Z on desktops. (All mobile OSs do)
Feb 26 17:53:57 <GodGinrai> DougReeder: just put it in an edit menu
Feb 26 17:54:14 * DougReeder nods
Feb 26 18:08:10 <morphis> DougReeder: good idea
Feb 26 18:08:24 <morphis> looks like this is something we should put in a luneos-lib or similar
Feb 26 18:13:01 * DougReeder nods
Feb 26 19:59:35 <DougReeder> Herrie, can you rename http://webos-ports.org/wiki/Enyo_Ports_UI to “Human Interface Guidelines” ?
Feb 26 20:33:34 <morphis> Herrie: when you do that please also link it in the navigation menu on the left under "Developer Resources"
Feb 26 20:34:22 <DougReeder> It’s already there, as “UI & Reference Apps”; I figures we could just rename that.
Feb 26 20:35:33 <morphis> ah
Feb 26 20:38:46 <Herrie> DougReeder: http://webos-ports.org/wiki/Human_Interface_Guidelines
Feb 26 20:39:17 <DougReeder> Yay, thank you!
Feb 26 20:39:44 <morphis> DougReeder: should I create a luneos-lib?
Feb 26 20:39:46 <Herrie> Benjamin came with a good suggestion re 2 themes: Mochi is pretty much CSS3 and very little images/Photoshop work, so he said we could make a Mochi and "Mochi Dark" which would replace Onyx eventually
Feb 26 20:40:14 <morphis> Herrie: sounds like a nice idea
Feb 26 20:40:26 <Herrie> That would be easy and also would solve the issues with layout when using Onyx and Mochi mixed :)
Feb 26 20:40:34 <Herrie> CSS3 = Benjamin's speciality as well :D
Feb 26 20:40:46 <DougReeder> We might want to just add stuff to webos-lib.
Feb 26 20:41:10 <morphis> DougReeder: so rather rename webos-lib to luneos-lib?
Feb 26 20:41:21 <Herrie> Because I know quite some people who like a "dark"-theme on the phone for example for navigation in the car or being in bed with other people and still wanting to read without lighting the whole room :P
Feb 26 20:41:59 <Herrie> morphis: That might be an option, but it basically provides legacy webos functionality to LuneOS, so webos-lib might be a more proper name
Feb 26 20:42:00 <DougReeder> I’d favor keeping the name for now, since it almost all works in legacy webOS.
Feb 26 20:42:03 <Herrie> Either way would work ;)
Feb 26 20:42:11 <morphis> ok, fine for me
Feb 26 20:43:03 <Herrie> DougReeder: When you got a little time could you do a few small TLC things on Messaging?
Feb 26 20:43:11 <DougReeder> We could revisit the name (and whether to split it up) in 2016.
Feb 26 20:43:12 <Herrie> Seems Cage1___ is a bit busy lately
Feb 26 20:43:21 <DougReeder> Sure.
Feb 26 20:43:36 <Herrie> I think we need to be able to send SMS to an entered number, so not only reply
Feb 26 20:44:33 <Herrie> Culprit preventing it is: https://github.com/webOS-ports/org.webosports.messaging/blob/master/app/source/views/ThreadView.js#L193
Feb 26 20:44:49 <Herrie> Should be fairly easy to fix, just I don't really understand the logics and my small attempt failed
Feb 26 20:45:32 <Herrie> You basically want to get the value from contactsSearchList there
Feb 26 20:45:38 <Herrie> And we could use watches for db8
Feb 26 20:45:41 <DougReeder> How could there be a received message without a reply address?
Feb 26 20:47:36 <DougReeder> So, if the thread has no replyAddress, allow the user to enter one?
Feb 26 20:48:30 <Herrie> The problem currently is that you can reply to an SMS but cannot start a convo because in a new convo there's no replyaddress ;)
Feb 26 20:48:47 <Herrie> Well you cna start it but it won't send the message
Feb 26 20:49:02 <Herrie> Log will output "message not sent - no reply address found"
Feb 26 20:49:15 <DougReeder> Oh, so you can’t initiate a conversation?
Feb 26 20:50:32 <GodGinrai> DougReeder: nah, he's too introverted
Feb 26 20:50:46 * DougReeder snorts
Feb 26 21:01:24 <Herrie> DougReeder: Yeah you can create it but not start it :P
Feb 26 22:25:46 <DougReeder> I’ve updated http://webos-ports.org/wiki/Swipe_UI and added a scenario to clarify how it would be useful.
Feb 26 22:54:58 <DougReeder> I’m especially excited by the possibilities of quickly throwing text to Just Type. That opens up a broad range of activies with minimal coding.
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