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Feb 27 07:54:00 <Tofe> DougReeder, morphis: for info, for example for the swipeable items of the notifications, it is already possible to distinguish left and right swipes
Feb 27 08:11:14 <Herrie|Veer> Tofe: Nice :)
Feb 27 08:13:47 <Herrie|Veer> morphis: ping
Feb 27 10:32:02 <morphis> Herrie|Veer: pong
Feb 27 10:39:09 <Herrie|Veer> For your luna-sysmgr-common commit, is this ready for QML usage now?
Feb 27 13:14:36 <morphis> Herrie: hopefully this evening
Feb 27 14:22:14 <DougReeder> Tofe, is that a QML thing, or an Enyo thing?
Feb 27 14:22:39 <Tofe> DougReeder: QML thing, for the notifications
Feb 27 14:23:14 <Tofe> ... and it's quite the only place where you swipe items in QML :)
Feb 27 14:23:34 <DougReeder> ok, some different code than app windows.
Feb 27 14:25:16 <Tofe> yes
Feb 27 14:26:40 <DougReeder> I’m thinking after all the main features of Contacts are implemented, I’ll implement the Swipe UI, and then people can try it out and decide if we want to use it more broadly.
Feb 27 14:27:10 <GodGinrai> Swipe UI?
Feb 27 14:27:44 <DougReeder> http://webos-ports.org/wiki/Swipe_UI
Feb 27 14:52:03 <GodGinrai> DougReeder: oh god I would archive so many things I'm trying to delete
Feb 27 14:52:12 <GodGinrai> I always right-swiped on webOS
Feb 27 14:52:54 * DougReeder nods “It might seem a small change, but there are a number of implications”
Feb 27 14:55:41 <Herrie|Veer> morphis: ping
Feb 27 14:58:51 <Tofe> Another ubuntu phone : http://www.gsmarena.com/meizu_teases_mx4_ubuntu_edition_for_the_mwc-news-11337.php
Feb 27 15:06:19 <DougReeder> Over time, we’ll need to narrow the gap between our apps and other HTML 5 app paradigms, so HTML 5 apps developed for platforms like Ubuntu are also available for LuneOS.
Feb 27 15:09:08 <Tofe> Aren't Ubuntu apps going to be in QML ?
Feb 27 15:09:45 <DougReeder> QML for native, but also HTML5 if you prefer.
Feb 27 15:10:05 <Tofe> ok
Feb 27 15:12:22 <Herrie|Veer> DougReeder: I thought Ubuntu did some custom stuff for browser & rendering?
Feb 27 15:12:28 <DougReeder> If Ubuntu get 1% of the world market, and Tizen get 1%, and Sailsfish gets 1%, and windows phone gets 5%, then 8% of the world market is a lot of people.
Feb 27 15:12:38 <Herrie|Veer> Not sure all is 100% compatible...
Feb 27 15:13:03 <DougReeder> I don’t know details, just that you can write HTML5 apps for Ubuntu.
Feb 27 15:13:17 <Herrie|Veer> You can also for FirefoxOS :P
Feb 27 15:13:23 <DougReeder> http://www.ubuntu.com/phone/developers
Feb 27 15:13:37 <Herrie|Veer> HTML5 doesn't mean it'll run everywhere still :'(
Feb 27 15:13:45 <DougReeder> Oh, right, if FxOS gets 1%, you’re up to 9%.
Feb 27 15:14:07 <DougReeder> Certainly.  Windows Phone imposes some restrictions on JS.
Feb 27 15:15:14 <Herrie|Veer> Well it's more about the rendering engines but we're basically down to 3
Feb 27 15:15:18 <Herrie|Veer> So that helps :)
Feb 27 15:15:33 <DougReeder> And the available APIs differ, and cross-platform apps will tend not to integrate.
Feb 27 15:15:37 <Herrie|Veer> Windows, Webkit and Gecko based :)
Feb 27 15:15:59 <Herrie|Veer> Yeah Mozilla has the best approach API wise it seems but well...
Feb 27 15:16:08 <Herrie|Veer> They like open & standard
Feb 27 15:16:11 <GodGinrai> Herrie|Veer: the Windoze one is called Trident
Feb 27 15:16:47 <DougReeder> Actuall, they’ve forked Trident - what’s their new engine called?
Feb 27 15:16:53 <Herrie|Veer> Yeah I know but for how long :P
Feb 27 15:17:06 <Herrie|Veer> They're working on the new one...
Feb 27 15:18:50 <DougReeder> It’s far from certain that any of these OSes will gain traction, but I suspect that eventually they’ll harmonize their HTML5 environments, so they can share apps.
Feb 27 15:22:33 <GodGinrai> I don't think they've revealed the name of the new engine yet
Feb 27 15:22:43 <GodGinrai> and supposedly, it's not a trident fork, but a complete rewrite
Feb 27 15:25:10 <DougReeder> “I watched Justin Rogers, one of our engineers, press “Enter” on the commit that forked the engine” http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2015/01/26/inside-microsofts-new-rendering-engine-project-spartan/
Feb 27 15:30:21 <Herrie|Veer> 10% still isn't enough for most app developers to care
Feb 27 15:30:26 <Herrie|Veer> Though they should
Feb 27 15:30:55 <Herrie|Veer> Various devs stated they make more money with their apps on "niche" platforms compared to Android for example
Feb 27 15:51:25 <DougReeder> App sales are a vanishing way to fund software development.
Feb 27 15:54:54 <DougReeder> Using a minority platform means not having trendy games or the latest social networking app.  I find I can do without them.
Feb 27 17:31:37 <Herrie|2> DougReeder: I don't play games and social media: Got Twitter, some forums and Facebook. So I'm OK in general with Macaw/Spaz HD, Communities and a good browser :-)
Feb 27 17:35:01 <morphis> Herrie|2: trying to finish the local QML components atm
Feb 27 17:35:33 <morphis> nizovn: all builds are fine now, so great work!
Feb 27 17:36:58 <nizovn> morphis: anything for me to do next? can work mostly at weekends.
Feb 27 17:37:23 <morphis> nizovn: yeah, multiple things
Feb 27 17:38:09 <morphis> nizovn: first thing would be to wrap ambient light sensor support back into LunaSysMgr
Feb 27 17:38:10 <morphis> see https://github.com/webOS-ports/luna-sysmgr/blob/webOS-ports/master/Src/base/AmbientLightSensor.cpp
Feb 27 17:38:18 <morphis> but with qtsensors as backend now
Feb 27 17:38:42 <morphis> so the display brightness gets adjusted depending on ambient light sensors reports
Feb 27 17:40:41 <nizovn> ok, will see
Feb 27 17:41:46 <morphis> nizovn: after that next thing would be to integrate LED support into our cardshell
Feb 27 17:56:04 <nizovn> provide corenavimanager to qml?
Feb 27 18:14:19 <JaMa> morphis: there will be 5.4.1 in meta-qt5 soon, do you want me to introduce it for dizzy or keep it only in master (unstable) builds for now?\
Feb 27 18:52:53 <morphis> nizovn: something like that
Feb 27 18:52:55 <morphis> JaMa: why not, if everything builds and runs fine
Feb 27 18:52:57 <morphis> nizovn: I think corenavimanager might be too much for what we need
Feb 27 19:26:32 <Garfonso> About Undo: doesn't the web-renderer thingie offer something there already? Firefox supports very good undo on the desktop which helps JS apps in the browser, too. So, just thinking there.
Feb 27 19:29:28 <DougReeder> I’m not sure; I haven’t looked into web browser support.
Feb 27 19:29:41 <DougReeder> I presume that would mostly be for text editing.
Feb 27 19:32:56 <Garfonso> ah, you talked about different stuff? Then forget what I said. :)
Feb 27 19:34:22 <DougReeder> I was thinking there needs to be a standard command for undo, that’s as easy and standard as control-Z.
Feb 27 19:34:51 <DougReeder> Implementation is a distinct matter.
Feb 27 19:36:02 <GodGinrai> Edit menu is my preference
Feb 27 19:36:14 <GodGinrai> obviously, opt-z for anything w/ a real keyboard, tho'
Feb 27 19:36:37 <GodGinrai> and ctrl-z for anything w/ a real non-phone keyboard
Feb 27 19:51:40 <Garfonso> DougReeder: http://wiki.webos-ports.org/wiki/Talk:Intents
Feb 27 19:52:07 <Garfonso> Will read up on the swip ui stuff, now. ^^
Feb 27 19:54:33 <DougReeder> For a standard command for Undo, http://wiki.webos-ports.org/wiki/Talk:Human_Interface_Guidelines might be more appropriate.
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