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Apr 13 03:37:20 <DougReeder> elvispre, Safari (on Mac OS) is fairly close.
Apr 13 06:41:58 <Tofe> morning!
Apr 13 07:21:00 <Herrie|Veer> Tofe: morning
Apr 13 07:45:09 <Garfonso> morning
Apr 13 07:49:17 <Feniksa|2> morning :-)
Apr 13 08:10:13 <Herrie|Veer> Garfonso: It seems that QT might offer a downloadmgr in QT 5.5, so I suggest you hold off the work on the downloadmgr and focus on some Messaging/chatthreader improvements instead?
Apr 13 08:17:09 <Garfonso> if we want to be backward compatible, we will need the download manager, because it is quite special ;)
Apr 13 08:17:48 <Herrie|Veer> Garfonso: QT seems to provide some API for it in 5.5. Lets see that one first if it's suitable for us?
Apr 13 08:18:17 <Garfonso> do you have a pointer to the api?
Apr 13 08:18:25 <Herrie|Veer> Seems we need some rework in the messaging backend with more priority ;)
Apr 13 08:18:36 <Herrie|Veer> Let me search
Apr 13 08:22:52 <morphis> JaMa: means you saw a web page rendered?
Apr 13 08:22:58 <morphis> I never got that part working yet
Apr 13 08:23:08 <morphis> the browser launched yes, but didn't rendered a page
Apr 13 08:23:42 <Herrie|Veer> Garfonso: Search for QML Download API and you'll find a Trello link with some info. My proxy is acting up and cannot visit https :s
Apr 13 08:24:05 <Herrie|Veer> morphis: JaMa kicked off stable builds. Anything I need to test specifically?
Apr 13 08:24:13 <Herrie|Veer> Got it loaded on both N4 and TP
Apr 13 08:24:26 <morphis> no
Apr 13 08:24:54 <Herrie|Veer> Tofe also PR'ed Tabbed launcher which I tested on N4 and TP and Tofe on TP. All stable and was unable to break it.
Apr 13 08:24:58 <Herrie|Veer> So it's good to merge
Apr 13 08:25:26 <Herrie|Veer> For luna next cardshell that is.
Apr 13 10:37:21 <JaMa> morphis: IIRC yes, when I started it with URL it rendered cnn or something like that
Apr 13 10:37:44 <JaMa> but it's long time and my memory is fading quickly now
Apr 13 10:38:53 <JaMa> merging last staging to public feed to create release dir now
Apr 13 10:40:25 <JaMa> I've also pushed small bitbake,oe-core,meta-oe upgrade yesterday
Apr 13 10:40:31 <JaMa> so expect longer build times today
Apr 13 11:55:52 <JaMa> I've also changed github.com mirror URLs, so don't be surprised to see this warning in make update:
Apr 13 11:55:55 <JaMa> WARNING: meta-openembedded is using a different uri 'git://github.com/openembedded/meta-oe.git' than configured in layers.txt 'git://github.com/openembedded/meta-openembedded.git'
Apr 13 11:57:00 <JaMa> and I've created branches for Yocto 1.8 "Fido" release (includes qt5-5.4.1)
Apr 13 12:24:10 <AlanM-N4> How goes the stable?
Apr 13 12:25:37 * AlanM-N4 waves hello
Apr 13 12:36:46 <JaMa> Herrie: morphis: http://build.webos-ports.org/releases/aulait/
Apr 13 12:45:36 <Herrie|Veer> morning
Apr 13 12:46:07 <Herrie|Veer> JaMa: Thnx, can you create a new stage as well for the new stuff or that's morphis who needs to do that?
Apr 13 12:55:34 * DougReeder waves good morning
Apr 13 13:08:13 <Herrie|Veer> DougReeder: Morning
Apr 13 13:08:25 <Herrie|Veer> I saw your bug report for file input
Apr 13 13:08:29 <Herrie|Veer> Commented on it
Apr 13 13:09:06 <DougReeder> I will read that
Apr 13 13:10:34 <Herrie|Veer> Basically I don't want to put too much time into QtWebKit anymore since it'll be deprecated with QT 5.5 which should be out this month or next.
Apr 13 13:11:08 <Herrie|Veer> And we'll likely pick it up shortly after in our builds once morphis/JaMa get QtWebEngine working properly
Apr 13 13:11:14 * DougReeder nods “So long as we have a plan to implement it for beta”
Apr 13 13:11:59 <Herrie|Veer> DougReeder: Yeah we should together with a revamp of the browser
Apr 13 13:12:33 <Herrie|Veer> QtWebEngine looks promising just only introduced with 5.4 so still lacked some features, but quite some come back with 5.5 it seems :)
Apr 13 13:22:44 <JaMa> Herrie|Veer: new stage was created before the release
Apr 13 13:37:39 <Herrie|Veer> JaMa: OK thnx for my education: Is there any way I can check this somewhere?
Apr 13 13:38:14 * EricBlade builds the latest updates to lune for fun
Apr 13 13:39:59 <JaMa> Herrie|Veer: do you have access to jenkins console logs?
Apr 13 13:40:28 <JaMa> either read luneos-stable_feeds-new-staging job log
Apr 13 13:40:36 <Herrie|Veer> JaMa: Not 100% sure :P
Apr 13 13:41:01 <JaMa> or http://build.webos-ports.org/luneos-stable-staging/033/info.033 shows "Closed"
Apr 13 13:41:11 <JaMa> and merged to public feed
Apr 13 13:41:26 <JaMa> so it means that "wip" is now open for bussiness as new 034 staging
Apr 13 13:41:42 <Herrie|Veer> OK so any new commits end up in 034 now right?
Apr 13 13:50:28 <JaMa> correct
Apr 13 13:50:55 <Herrie|Veer> OK thnx :)
Apr 13 13:51:14 <Herrie|Veer> Tofe: I guess you're OK to merge the tabbed launcher then :)
Apr 13 13:57:03 <Herrie|Veer> morphis: Did the PR to dizzy for Bombon
Apr 13 13:59:35 <AlanM-N4> Stable release announcement is out
Apr 13 14:02:53 <Herrie|Veer> AlanM-N4: Thnx
Apr 13 14:03:04 <Tofe> Herrie|Veer: merged!
Apr 13 14:03:11 <Tofe> morphis: ^
Apr 13 14:04:34 <Herrie|Veer> Will you do PR to dizzy or I should do?
Apr 13 14:06:50 <Tofe> Is that a question for me?
Apr 13 14:07:10 <Herrie|Veer> Tofe: Yeah :P
Apr 13 14:07:25 <morphis> Herrie|Veer: let me pick those bits automatically
Apr 13 14:07:44 <Herrie|Veer> morphis: Also fine :)
Apr 13 14:08:09 <Herrie|Veer> There are a few other PR's pending ;) luna-sysservice and nizvons work for led as well :)
Apr 13 14:08:31 <Herrie|Veer> Would be good if we could have a build with those sometime so we can develop further on them :)
Apr 13 14:08:44 <morphis> sure
Apr 13 14:08:58 <Tofe> the led work for luna-next seems pretty harmless
Apr 13 14:09:01 <morphis> let me pick them later today
Apr 13 14:09:54 <Herrie|Veer> Great :)
Apr 13 15:47:52 <Garfonso> AlanM-N4: does your nick mean there is an IRC client for the N4 and LuneOS?
Apr 13 15:48:19 <AlanM-N4> No. Lollipop
Apr 13 15:53:38 <GodGinrai> Garfonso: wIRC was webOS Internals software, right?  Wouldn't that work on LuneOS?
Apr 13 15:55:21 <Garfonso> depends on what it requires and if the ui is mojo or enyo.
Apr 13 15:56:19 <GodGinrai> well
Apr 13 15:56:24 <GodGinrai> the original UI was mojo
Apr 13 15:56:35 <GodGinrai> but I remember they said they had an Enyo version they made
Apr 13 15:56:37 <GodGinrai> for the touchpad
Apr 13 15:57:31 <DougReeder> https://github.com/webos-internals/wIRC has a plugin
Apr 13 16:00:45 <Garfonso> JaMa: my build fails: WatchManagerError: add_watch: cannot watch /mnt/webos-build/luneos/webos-ports-env/webos-ports/conf/bblayers.conf WD=-1, Errno=No space left on device (ENOSPC)
Apr 13 16:00:55 <Garfonso> but there is plenty of space on this device
Apr 13 16:01:43 <DougReeder> There are two branches, master, which appears to be Mojo, and enyo.
Apr 13 16:02:52 <Garfonso> seems my system ran out of watches, increased it.. now starts to build.
Apr 13 16:03:05 <Garfonso> sorry, still no linux pro. ;)
Apr 13 16:09:44 <DougReeder> There’s only one wirc in the Preware feed.  It’s a Mojo app that just expands to be bigger on a TP.
Apr 13 16:10:44 <GodGinrai> I might take a look at the source for the enyo version of wIRC at some point
Apr 13 16:11:20 <GodGinrai> I'm sure it's writtern for Enyo 1.0, so it would need to be ported to Enyo 2.0
Apr 13 16:11:25 <GodGinrai> *written
Apr 13 16:15:34 <DougReeder> Well, in the shor term it doesn’t have to
Apr 13 16:15:47 <morphis> yeah, we can still run it as enyo1 app
Apr 13 16:15:55 <morphis> just the plugin is the major problem
Apr 13 16:16:43 <DougReeder> Enyo branch compiles with a few warnings, appear to succeed.
Apr 13 16:18:23 <DougReeder> Launches without crashing
Apr 13 16:23:06 <DougReeder> I can’t get it to connect to Freenode. (This is on a TP running webOS 3.0.5, BTW)
Apr 13 16:27:31 <DougReeder> Long-term, is the IRC paradigm campatible with the chat threader & Messaging?
Apr 13 16:28:04 <DougReeder> I can’t get it to connect to irc.mozilla.org either.
Apr 13 16:28:53 <Tofe> morphis: Am I correct to say that the properties we get for our ApplicationModel is structured like the JSON structure built here ? https://github.com/webOS-ports/luna-appmanager/blob/master/Src/base/application/ApplicationDescription.cpp
Apr 13 16:29:09 <morphis> yes
Apr 13 16:29:16 <Tofe> ok
Apr 13 16:30:01 <Tofe> Because we have to be careful: when a property is added to a ListModel, it is then added for all the other items, and the latter will only get the default value (i.e. false for a boolean)
Apr 13 16:31:43 <Tofe> I was working on adding the "remove" functionality to the icons of the launcher, and if some properties are true by default it becomes problematic
Apr 13 16:48:38 <Tofe> morphis: I would need some help with the meanings of "removable", "userInstalled", w.r.t. the icons "minus" and "cross" in the launcher... I'm a bit lost :p
Apr 13 16:49:06 <Tofe> The cross is for uninstalling. So it's when userInstalled == true, right?
Apr 13 16:49:37 <Tofe> And the minus is for... hiding? when removable == true ? I'm not sure for that one
Apr 13 16:54:59 <GodGinrai> DougReeder: "compatible"?
Apr 13 16:56:05 <DougReeder> In general, it seems like IRC channel should map to chat thread.
Apr 13 16:56:33 <morphis> Tofe: what do you mean with "minus" and "cross"?
Apr 13 16:56:36 <DougReeder> … and message to message.  But I haven’t look into either in depth.
Apr 13 16:57:20 <Tofe> morphis: the two little icons that we have in the full launcher, when in modification mode
Apr 13 16:58:19 <morphis> didn't saw them yet
Apr 13 16:58:26 <Tofe> http://i.imgur.com/fF5ZPqa.png
Apr 13 16:59:05 <morphis> I think there must be a difference between system and user apps
Apr 13 16:59:33 <morphis> so hidding was possible in legacy?
Apr 13 17:00:05 <Tofe> well... I think it means hiding. I'll check with my TP.
Apr 13 17:00:19 <morphis> ok
Apr 13 17:01:28 <morphis> Tofe: you also might check the legacy code
Apr 13 17:02:52 <Tofe> I don't see any "minus" icon on any of my apps on TP
Apr 13 17:03:00 <Tofe> either cross, or nothing
Apr 13 17:03:39 <morphis> Tofe: I think we shouldn't display any icon for such we can't remove
Apr 13 17:03:51 <morphis> so if removable = true then display cross
Apr 13 17:03:55 <morphis> otherwise nothing
Apr 13 17:04:40 <GodGinrai> DougReeder: There's a "chat" app?  I only remember there being a messaging app.
Apr 13 17:05:04 <DougReeder> chat threader works with the Messaging app.
Apr 13 17:05:30 <Tofe> morphis: yes, seems sensible
Apr 13 17:07:45 <GodGinrai> DougReeder: but does it display in a manner conducive to IRC chat?  The members of a chat would be constantly changing
Apr 13 17:08:38 <DougReeder> And once certainly doesn’t want a banner message every time someone arrives or leaves.
Apr 13 17:09:51 <GodGinrai> that's true
Apr 13 17:10:07 <DougReeder> So, at the least, the chat threader would need to do notifications differently for IRC vs. SMS.
Apr 13 17:11:25 <GodGinrai> yea
Apr 13 17:12:10 <GodGinrai> plus, extra IRC functions like notices, snotices, whois, ctcps, etc. might not fit
Apr 13 17:15:11 <DougReeder> One might refactor SMS/IM as a simplified form of IRC.
Apr 13 17:15:43 <DougReeder> The real question is, do people interact with them the same way?
Apr 13 17:19:08 <ka6sox> like a Long Delayed IRC?
Apr 13 17:19:33 <ka6sox> My wife does…she holds conversations that way with me.
Apr 13 17:37:58 <GodGinrai> DougReeder: I would say that IRC is a different enough beast that it cannot function well as a subset of Messaging.  To fit SMS/IM under the IRC umbrella may be possible, but that would require changing the Messaging app to fit IRC, which would have a lot of unnecessary features for other applications
Apr 13 17:38:12 * DougReeder nods
Apr 13 17:55:02 <Herrie> Tofe: In legacy some apps weren't removable
Apr 13 17:55:31 <Herrie> By default pdf app on 2.x could be removed there's a patch to isable that
Apr 13 17:55:42 <Herrie> Let me search it in a bit
Apr 13 17:57:41 <Tofe> Herrie: that's fine, I have the corresponding appinfo property
Apr 13 18:24:10 <Tofe> I don't have any user installed app, so I don't know if my LS2 call works... https://github.com/webOS-ports/luna-next-cardshell/commit/bab9db33bd126b7a1e78cb3aa7a6693c61914a2f
Apr 13 18:34:15 <Herrie> Tofe: When you install the webapp from Preware it should be userinstalled ?
Apr 13 18:34:24 <Herrie> Or any IPK that you install with opkg install for that matter
Apr 13 18:39:02 <Tofe> ah, yes, good idea, I'll try
Apr 13 19:12:42 <Herrie|2> Garfonso: Ping
Apr 13 20:11:47 <Garfonso> DougReeder: it might work if we support group messages.
Apr 13 20:11:53 <Garfonso> Herrie|2: pong
Apr 13 20:12:01 <DougReeder> “group messages” ?
Apr 13 20:12:53 <Garfonso> yes.. like whats app and stuff use.. groups that you can join and leave and send messages to. That would be very similar to a chatroom in irc
Apr 13 20:16:25 <Herrie|2> Garfonso: You saw the discussion while you were away about messaging & rework needed? Seems most would be required in NodeJS stuff
Apr 13 20:17:27 <Garfonso> No, I didn't see that. Why a rework?
Apr 13 20:17:55 <Herrie|2> Well or some adjustments
Apr 13 20:18:12 <Herrie|2> We basically don't want the app to send messages directly anymore but to have this done centrally
Apr 13 20:18:21 <Herrie|2> DougReeder can explain it better i'm sutre ;)
Apr 13 20:18:41 <Herrie|2> So app sends to chatthreader who then deals with everything if I recall correctly
Apr 13 20:18:47 <Herrie|2> Let me check the logs ;)
Apr 13 20:19:05 <DougReeder> The plan for only the chat threader to write to the DB
Apr 13 20:19:28 <Garfonso> also the message objects?
Apr 13 20:19:57 <DougReeder> The app would call the chat threader, which would create message objects (and chat threads if needed)
Apr 13 20:20:12 <Garfonso> hm, ok.
Apr 13 20:21:23 <DougReeder> The chat threader can enforce messages belonging to the correct thread.
Apr 13 20:22:01 <DougReeder> DB8 can’t enforce that, but a single piece of code can.
Apr 13 20:22:57 <Herrie|2> This actually came up when DougReeder did some enhancements to the messaging app to get SMS send out from directly typed number work, but that doesn't still ;)
Apr 13 20:23:17 <Herrie|2> Which needs some tweaks in the chatthreader to get working if I'm right?
Apr 13 20:25:16 * DougReeder nods
Apr 13 20:25:37 <Herrie|2> It doesn't have a threadId or something right ?
Apr 13 20:26:12 <DougReeder> I haven’t had a chance to look at the actual code yet.
Apr 13 20:45:04 <Garfonso> hm.. in theory that should already work.. but currently a watch is missing for send messages.
Apr 13 20:45:15 <Garfonso> so they are not correctly processed, yet. :-/
Apr 13 20:45:37 <DougReeder> The app will still need a watch to retrieve messages for the current thread
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