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Apr 22 03:01:42 <DougReeder> That YouTube apps on older devices will stop working, but the YouTube web app will still work on most of them, is something we should take to heart - unmaintained apps have only short-term value.
Apr 22 03:01:46 <DougReeder> http://www.macworld.com/article/2912487/youtube-will-stop-working-on-older-apple-tvs-ipads-smart-tvs-consoles-and-more.html
Apr 22 07:10:56 <Herrie|Veer> morning
Apr 22 07:10:59 <Herrie|Veer> Tofe: ping
Apr 22 07:17:41 <Tofe> Herrie|Veer: pong
Apr 22 07:23:42 <Herrie|Veer> For the tabButtonWidthDivider, any reason to define it as a property alias instead of just directly using tabIndicatorNumberTweak.value where it's needed?
Apr 22 07:30:31 <Tofe> Not really
Apr 22 07:30:59 <Tofe> there would be, if we would want to split the FullLauncher.qml file into several parts, but right now, no
Apr 22 07:31:47 <Herrie|Veer> OK. Well I'm OK with either way just wanted to know because while you used a property alias I didn't in my local fix :P
Apr 22 07:32:24 <Tofe> I did that just to quickly fix the compilation on my computer
Apr 22 07:32:36 <Tofe> I was eager to test :)
Apr 22 07:33:20 <Tofe> Ah and I thought a bit more about the arrows, I think you can get rid of the big function
Apr 22 07:34:40 <Tofe> There are these slightly hidden properties "atXBeginning" and "atXEnd" of any flickable item like the ListView
Apr 22 07:35:28 <Herrie|Veer> AH cool :) I never liked it anyway just did what it had to
Apr 22 07:35:53 <Herrie|Veer> Just the flickable design is different from legacy since the tab row in independent from the tab
Apr 22 07:35:59 <Herrie|Veer> While in legacy they were bundled
Apr 22 07:36:47 <Tofe> the idea would be to put the two arrows as children of the ListView itself, instead of the buttons, and then check atXBeginning/atXEnd to trigger visibility
Apr 22 07:37:08 <Herrie|Veer> OK I can sort that I guess
Apr 22 07:37:14 <Herrie|Veer> Shouldn't be rocket science
Apr 22 07:37:47 <Tofe> Should be fairly easy, I just hope the resulting behavior will be ok
Apr 22 08:47:35 <Herrie|Veer> Tofe: The arrows behavior looks good :)
Apr 22 08:48:28 <Herrie|Veer> I just used visible: !tabRowList.atXEnd for the right one and !tabRowList.atXBeginning for the left one :)
Apr 22 08:55:29 <Herrie|Veer> Just cannot seem to access tabRowDelegate from there for the mouseaction :P
Apr 22 09:00:32 <Tofe> Herrie|Veer: correct, but you don't need it, you just need tabRowList
Apr 22 09:00:50 <Tofe> tabRowList.currentIndex for instance
Apr 22 09:33:57 <Tofe> Herrie|Veer: What I propose is that if the tabIndicator mode is not "default", and if the content of the ListView of tabs if wider than the width of the ListView, we show the arrows.
Apr 22 09:34:59 <Tofe> (plus the atX... thingy, of course)
Apr 22 09:35:42 <Tofe> That will simplify the drag'n'drop issue, and maybe even make the UI more clear
Apr 22 10:00:15 <Herrie|Veer> When at x it does it automatically already when there are more then the number of items that fit on screen
Apr 22 10:00:26 <Herrie|Veer> I added 10 tabs and I get the arrow already
Apr 22 10:00:43 <Herrie|Veer> I think we also need it for the default one?
Apr 22 10:01:03 <Herrie|Veer> So we can just drop the whole arrow Tweaks option?
Apr 22 10:42:05 <Tofe> maybe yes
Apr 22 10:42:59 <Tofe> yes, let's drop that option, we don't need tweaks for every little detail
Apr 22 11:45:14 <Herrie|Veer> Tofe: Updated PR for this
Apr 22 11:55:47 <Tofe> Herrie|Veer: great!
Apr 22 11:56:13 <Herrie|Veer> Feel free to test it.
Apr 22 11:57:00 <Herrie|Veer> I'll create another branch for the lockscreen Units.gu rework and PR that too. Had any chance to look into the vkb stuff? Or anything I can do there?
Apr 22 11:58:29 <Tofe> Herrie|Veer: I think I just forgot the vkb issue for the lockscreen :) Will have a look
Apr 22 11:59:43 <Herrie|Veer> Should I push my work so you can see?
Apr 22 12:00:06 <Tofe> Herrie|Veer: yes, pushing is almost always a good idea :)
Apr 22 12:00:20 <Herrie|Veer> I'll do it on top of these changes? Anyway different file so shouldn't matter right?
Apr 22 12:00:32 <Tofe> Herrie|Veer: shouldn't matter
Apr 22 12:00:40 <Tofe> don't bother rebasing
Apr 22 12:00:59 <Herrie|Veer> OK already thought so :P
Apr 22 12:01:59 <Tofe> Herrie|Veer: Do you think we should add snapMode = ListView.SnapOneItem ? Or is the flicking of tab titles ok for you ?
Apr 22 12:02:46 <Herrie|Veer> I think we should sn
Apr 22 12:02:48 <Herrie|Veer> ap
Apr 22 12:03:08 <Herrie|Veer> That's when we don't have half tabs right?
Apr 22 12:03:47 <Tofe> yes
Apr 22 12:03:57 <Tofe> Let's snap then :)
Apr 22 12:04:12 <Herrie|Veer> I think that would be good.
Apr 22 12:04:24 <Herrie|Veer> I'm sure HaDAk agrees :P
Apr 22 12:04:52 * HaDAk rubs his eyes
Apr 22 12:04:54 <HaDAk> what now?
Apr 22 12:05:32 <Herrie|Veer> Half tabs visible or whole tabs only? :P
Apr 22 12:06:00 <HaDAk> i'm more of a visible person. i need to see what you're talking about.
Apr 22 12:11:14 <Herrie|Veer> Seems my printscreen button is disabled :s
Apr 22 12:11:22 <Herrie|Veer> Crappy work laptop
Apr 22 12:13:19 <Herrie|Veer> But basically current it could happen that half a tab title is shown in launcher tabs. So where you have APPS, DOWNLOADS, FAVORITES and PREFS on legacy TP on LuneOS you could end up with PPS for example or PS instead of APPS
Apr 22 12:13:19 <Herrie|Veer> Which I don't like but Tofe was OK with :P
Apr 22 12:13:26 <Herrie|Veer> At least until recently
Apr 22 12:13:44 <Herrie|Veer> But I think I managed to convert his idea process :P
Apr 22 12:15:48 <Tofe> Herrie|Veer: Hey, your description isn't accurate :) I'm OK with having the whole title of the current in the center, and having the rest distributed as it comes, eventually not completely visible if the screen isn't large enough
Apr 22 12:16:06 <Tofe> current tab*
Apr 22 12:17:09 <HaDAk> I noticed that when I changed the name of the title, it broke everything... i think a) it should be index-based, and b) it should be the full word (eg, "Applications", "Downloads", "Favorites", "Preferences"). I think that the full title should always be visible, and the tab bar should scroll (and if necessary, have a little arrow to indicate that it CAN scroll one direction or another)
Apr 22 12:20:22 <Tofe> HaDAk: we'll rework the model of the tabs anyway, to have it more flexible. For b), I was simply trying to have the same names as legacy, for a start. For the rest, we agree, if by "full title" you mean "full title of the active tab"
Apr 22 12:20:51 <HaDAk> i think changing the name of the tab between active and inactive may be confusing to some people.
Apr 22 12:21:19 <Tofe> No no, I've never said the name should change at any time
Apr 22 12:21:35 <HaDAk> short name if not visible, full name if visible? that's changing the name.
Apr 22 12:21:45 <HaDAk> Apps (hidden), Applications (visible)
Apr 22 12:22:03 <HaDAk> UNLESS
Apr 22 12:22:11 <Tofe> no no, you're getting me wrong
Apr 22 12:22:16 <HaDAk> you limit the name to 4 characters, and an ellipsis
Apr 22 12:22:22 <HaDAk> Tofe: that's why i said i'm a visual person.
Apr 22 12:25:06 <Tofe> http://imgur.com/FVKTigA <-- is this OK ?
Apr 22 12:25:36 <HaDAk> no
Apr 22 12:25:41 <Tofe> why ?
Apr 22 12:25:50 <HaDAk> the tabs are too short (height) and too wide
Apr 22 12:25:53 <Herrie|Veer> Tofe: http://github.com/herrie82/luna-next-cardshell/tree/Herrie/LockScreenSize
Apr 22 12:26:08 <Tofe> Herrie|Veer: thanks
Apr 22 12:26:26 <Tofe> HaDAk: I mean, regarding the current discussion
Apr 22 12:26:41 <HaDAk> i think that changing the size of the tab changes things.
Apr 22 12:26:45 <Herrie|Veer> I also put the 4* images and used "smooth: true" :P
Apr 22 12:26:50 <HaDAk> i also think that you need to add in an area that shows it can be scrolled.
Apr 22 12:27:07 <Tofe> HaDAk: it won't change the fact that the tabs on the left and right of the current tab will eventually get cut
Apr 22 12:27:20 <HaDAk> i agree...
Apr 22 12:27:24 <HaDAk> but there's no indicator
Apr 22 12:27:55 <Herrie|Veer> HaDAk: Tweaks option allows you to choose the number of tabs visible. 1, 2, 3, 4, all and would show arrow left/right when neede
Apr 22 12:27:56 <Tofe> HaDAk: what if there would be arrows at the left and right ?
Apr 22 12:27:57 <Herrie|Veer> +d
Apr 22 12:28:23 <Herrie|Veer> You can also select lower, UPPER or Capitalized for title in Tweaks :P
Apr 22 12:28:28 <Herrie|Veer> I added those :P
Apr 22 12:28:48 <Tofe> Herrie|Veer: yes, I quickly did the scrrenshot based on current master
Apr 22 12:29:31 <Tofe> but the arrows will be there after PR merge, on my previous  exemple, for sure.
Apr 22 12:30:34 <Tofe> HaDAk: the question Herrie|Veer asked at the beginning was, all in short: "what about the titles that get cut by screen boundaries"
Apr 22 12:31:00 <Tofe> He thinks it's a bit awful, I think it's ok
Apr 22 12:31:10 <HaDAk> i think the titles being cut by the boundaries is acceptable (and necessary, depending on the size of the screen)...BUT it has to be approached carefully.
Apr 22 12:33:07 <Tofe> Fair enough :)
Apr 22 12:33:48 <Tofe> Do you have things in mind ? Today we cut totally uncarefully.
Apr 22 12:34:45 <HaDAk> let me see if i can whip something up.
Apr 22 12:37:27 <Tofe> Herrie|Veer: if you add the snapMode, I think we'll be fine for merging it tonight (after a little on-device testing)
Apr 22 12:44:59 <Herrie|Veer> Tofe: Done :)
Apr 22 12:49:12 <Tofe> Great :)
Apr 22 13:01:50 <HaDAk> http://inft.ly/37iBfAT
Apr 22 13:01:57 <HaDAk> i was thinking something kinda like that.
Apr 22 13:02:05 <HaDAk> i mean, not THAT, obviously. but along those lines.
Apr 22 13:14:36 <Tofe> Well, good news, it's along the line of what we're going to merge. Needs polishing of course, but we seem to agree on the direction to take
Apr 22 16:49:36 <Tofe> Herrie|Veer: merged, there is no coming back now :)
Apr 22 16:49:59 <PatrickC> if yall wanna take part in my survey for my research paper i'm doing: http://goo.gl/forms/ZDJ5Uux1Ak
Apr 22 17:03:04 <Herrie|Veer> Tofe: Good :)
Apr 22 17:16:18 <Tofe> Herrie|Veer: for the lockscreen, I have a one-liner fix, eventually
Apr 22 17:16:35 <Tofe> line 117, LockScreen.qml, add
Apr 22 17:16:35 <Tofe>           anchors.verticalCenterOffset: -Qt.inputMethod.keyboardRectangle.height/2
Apr 22 17:17:11 <Tofe> btw, you'll have to make the input entry bigger, the height is too small on N4
Apr 22 17:39:58 <Herrie> Tofe: thnx will try and update + PR it :)
Apr 22 17:45:32 <DougReeder> I’m seeing many bac gestures not being delivered to the app. In particular I see this in Messaging and Contacts. Has any one else observed this?
Apr 22 17:53:34 <HaDAk> PatrickC: i answered your survey.
Apr 22 17:55:51 <PatrickC> thanks HaDAk
Apr 22 17:56:20 <HaDAk> PatrickC: it's a tough one.
Apr 22 17:56:36 <HaDAk> i wanna say liberals tell more of the story, but i feel like my opinion may be skewed too.
Apr 22 17:57:01 <Tofe> Yeah, just finished it, took me hours
Apr 22 17:57:53 <Tofe> PatrickC: I hope your survey isn't about a specific country?
Apr 22 17:58:04 <Tofe> otherwise I kinda biaised it :)
Apr 22 17:58:13 <PatrickC> Tofe: nah, general survey ;)
Apr 22 17:58:24 <PatrickC> HaDAk: my personal opinion is conservatives tell more ;)
Apr 22 17:58:44 <HaDAk> PatrickC: haha, yeah. i'd wholeheartedly disagree with you on that one.
Apr 22 17:58:53 <PatrickC> i disagree with your view :P
Apr 22 17:59:03 <PatrickC> but that's what's great, we can disagree and still be frends :P
Apr 22 17:59:06 <PatrickC> friends*
Apr 22 17:59:13 <HaDAk> mmhm
Apr 22 17:59:24 <HaDAk> do you find yourself leaning more left, or more right?
Apr 22 17:59:28 <PatrickC> right
Apr 22 17:59:32 <PatrickC> i'm a conservative Christian
Apr 22 17:59:45 <HaDAk> yeah, that's the difference. you have confirmation bias.
Apr 22 18:03:21 <HaDAk> i mean, we all do
Apr 22 18:03:28 <Tofe> From my point of view, they all distort the information given their leaning
Apr 22 18:03:34 <HaDAk> i agree with that
Apr 22 18:03:59 <HaDAk> but the question was whether or not one side or the other tells MORE of the story
Apr 22 18:04:12 <Tofe> not necessarily: I chose option 3
Apr 22 18:04:34 <HaDAk> that's the one i wanted to choose. i can't remember if i did or not.
Apr 22 18:04:39 <Tofe> :D
Apr 22 18:04:40 <HaDAk> dammit. i wish i had a better short term memory.
Apr 22 18:09:10 <HaDAk> ok, this is interesting...
Apr 22 18:09:11 <HaDAk> https://youtu.be/xfFHnBQ6nQg
Apr 22 18:09:12 <HaDAk> BUT
Apr 22 18:09:18 <HaDAk> the girls in this video are *smoking* hot.
Apr 22 18:13:42 <GodGinrai> sfw?
Apr 22 18:17:02 <HaDAk> yes
Apr 22 18:17:17 <ka6sox> Herrie, ping?
Apr 22 19:24:51 <Herrie|Laptop> ka6sox: pong
Apr 22 19:27:26 <ka6sox> so the builder is being cranky
Apr 22 19:27:38 <ka6sox> everything looks right but its not building
Apr 22 19:28:07 <ka6sox> I needed to update the Makefile in build.git but its still broken
Apr 22 19:29:46 <Herrie|Laptop> Yeah it seems it doesn't build preware :S
Apr 22 19:29:50 <Herrie|Laptop> All other bits seem to work
Apr 22 21:09:43 <ka6sox> Herrie, ping
Apr 22 21:11:15 <Herrie> ka6sox: pong
Apr 22 21:12:08 <ka6sox> its in the feeds…test before publishing
Apr 22 21:16:32 <ka6sox> Herrie|2, did you get my response?
Apr 22 21:20:14 <Herrie|2> ka6sox; Yeah did but pc locked up & required reboot
Apr 22 21:20:35 <Herrie|2> I suspect either my new WD 4TB Raid array or Samsung SSD or a combination of both
Apr 22 21:20:45 <Herrie|2> Didn't have it with my Sandisk + previous WD in non-raid :S
Apr 22 21:20:55 <Herrie|2> Need to dig into it
Apr 22 21:20:58 <Herrie|2> Let me test it
Apr 22 21:21:13 <ka6sox> Alan_Morford tested...
Apr 22 21:21:19 <ka6sox> he says it works on his Pre3
Apr 22 21:22:20 <Herrie|2> I'll test on TP in a minute
Apr 22 21:22:24 <ka6sox> thanks
Apr 22 21:22:24 <Herrie|2> Booting to webOS now
Apr 22 21:22:27 <Herrie|2> Was in LuneOS
Apr 22 21:22:54 <Herrie|2> What was the problem in the end?
Apr 22 21:25:00 <ka6sox> missing tag
Apr 22 21:25:18 <ka6sox> missing update for Makefille in build.git
Apr 22 21:25:39 <ka6sox> tag missing in Preware repo (I needed to do)
Apr 22 21:25:39 <Herrie|2> Ah :D
Apr 22 21:26:17 <Herrie|2> Ah you needed to create a release first?
Apr 22 21:26:20 <ka6sox> in future will need update to Makefile for app in build.git and use the app info.json info for the upgrade
Apr 22 21:26:33 <ka6sox> the auto builder builds tags
Apr 22 21:26:56 <ka6sox> but the Makefile in build.git:apps/preware needed to be updated too
Apr 22 21:27:23 <ka6sox> (version and change log information)
Apr 22 21:30:17 <ka6sox> any good on TP?
Apr 22 21:30:26 <Herrie|2> Yeah works OK on Go
Apr 22 21:30:43 <Herrie|2> TP4G is acting up but quite sure it's the restoring HP App Cat that's the cause of that
Apr 22 21:30:46 <Herrie|2> Veer is fine too
Apr 22 21:30:51 <Herrie|2> I say we're fine :)
Apr 22 21:31:07 <ka6sox> okay I'll let Alan_M know so he can publish
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