**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 27 02:59:59 2015 Sep 27 05:49:30 hey guys. new pidgin install.. am i missing any webos channels? webOS, openwebOS, webOS-Ports, webOS-ports-dev, enyojs.. any others? Sep 27 06:26:12 I think you're OK ;) Sep 27 07:29:18 morning Sep 27 07:29:34 Tofe: QTWebEngine is OK on TP now Sep 27 07:29:44 Flashing N4 now Sep 27 07:31:36 I have 250MB memory free on TP without anything open. Each webbrowser uses between 30 and 40MB it seems Sep 27 07:46:12 Morning! Sep 27 07:51:23 Tofe: morning Sep 27 07:51:30 WebEngine works on my N4 too Sep 27 07:51:48 Seems stuff like Javascript alerts, dialogs, confirm, prompt don't work on device though Sep 27 07:51:57 We needed experimentals with qtwebkit for those Sep 27 07:52:10 But seems they're not implemented yet in webengine somehow Sep 27 07:52:24 Need to have a closer look into logs to see if there's something in there Sep 27 07:52:44 Herrie: I think it's only that they are not provided; but I don't know to which extend we can put our own Sep 27 07:53:39 Now that I'm in the middle of it, I might as well look at that... Sep 27 07:54:08 Tofe: On desktop it works, so I guess it's some of the QtQuick stuff that we don't have somehow? Sep 27 07:54:37 Herrie: no, it's more that it tries to use the native dialogs, which don't exist on a bare Wayland install Sep 27 07:54:45 Ah ok Sep 27 07:54:55 Ah well on desktop it now also doens't work Sep 27 07:55:00 :D Sep 27 07:55:04 I remember seeing them working though before :S Sep 27 07:55:08 By the way, I now have something that builds for webengine Sep 27 07:55:10 Must be getting old or crazy :P Sep 27 07:55:23 I think we're OK to include both webkit and webengine in the images Sep 27 07:55:39 Difference in memory usage is minimal it seems between them tbh Sep 27 07:55:58 Even when opened in parallel? Sep 27 07:56:49 Anyway, I'm pretty sure it will be temporary Sep 27 07:56:50 Let me try again Sep 27 07:57:04 Need to reboot ADB broke again :S Sep 27 07:57:09 I'm now implementing this WebChannel thingy Sep 27 08:00:47 :) Sep 27 08:01:02 Memory usage seems to be 30-40 MB for Enyo 1/2 apps Sep 27 08:01:12 Browser takes 90-100 MB with WebEngine on first run Sep 27 08:01:45 ok Sep 27 08:02:47 But that's a bit unfair, as we already started the Launcher on startup, so WebKit libraries are likely to be already in memory Sep 27 08:03:34 However, it is true that WebEngine shares less libraries with the system than WebKit Sep 27 08:04:47 Tofe: WebEngine does seem to take longer to startup (i.e. browser noticably takes longer) Sep 27 08:05:01 I guess it would be beneficial to eventually pre-load some of this somehow Sep 27 08:05:04 https://github.com/qtproject/qtwebengine-chromium/tree/33.0.1750.170-based/chromium/third_party <-- look at what is can embed... Sep 27 08:06:12 (not saying that it does embed all this by default, just that it could) Sep 27 08:06:27 (gosh, there's even Mesa in the list...) Sep 27 08:25:40 Yeah there's a big list it seems :P Sep 27 10:11:27 The async calls will work very well with the WebChannel, but as forseen, for the sync calls, it'll be a bit tricky. Sep 27 10:51:38 Tofe: Did you try 5.5.1 already or your playing with 5.5? Sep 27 10:52:08 I update to latest jansa/fido, which contains most of 5.5.1, iirc Sep 27 10:52:15 updated* Sep 27 10:54:21 :) Sep 27 10:54:33 For me for some reason I cannot login to my bank website with 5.5 :S Sep 27 10:54:50 The field where I have to input the code doesn't seem to accept it, not sure that's fixed with 5.5.1 Sep 27 10:56:10 Weird indeed Sep 27 10:56:46 I are 5 separate fields each should have 1 digit Sep 27 11:25:35 Seems OK in QTCreator so might be our vkb handling somehow will try to debug a bit Sep 27 11:47:54 ok Sep 27 14:56:20 The WebChannel work is taking shape: https://github.com/Tofee/luna-webappmanager/commit/aef711cb64dad910a5a7a04c2c22f1d750844afe Sep 27 15:54:38 Tofe: Looks like you made quite some miles already :D Sep 27 15:54:56 Let me know when you have something you want me to test (either unit or stress :P) Sep 27 16:06:47 Pretty soon we'll have something to test for Enyo2 apps, if we're lucky Sep 27 16:07:15 For Enyo1, it needs sync calls, and that is still a mystery Sep 27 16:11:39 how many Enyo1 apps are not locked in resolution? Sep 27 16:11:57 aren't the almost all for a specific resolution? Sep 27 16:15:15 ka6sox: I have no idea Sep 27 16:16:21 Enyo1 came out iirc with the advent of webOS 3.0 and the TP Sep 27 16:28:17 [OT] What’s a service, like a gist, but live? Sep 27 16:29:10 Enyo 1 was released for the TP, then backported to webOS 2.2, with some bugs. Sep 27 16:29:44 So, the Bing Maps version of Maps is Enyo 1, and runs on both phones & tablets. Sep 27 16:30:25 IIRC, most Enyo 1 apps are for the TP, but some ran on both. Sep 27 16:33:22 Thanks DougReeder! Sep 27 16:33:42 my real question is whether Enyo1 apps are resolution locked? Sep 27 16:33:55 Not inherently. Sep 27 16:34:17 … but most authors didn’t bother to test at non-TP resolutions. Sep 27 16:34:26 okay Sep 27 16:34:54 I remember apps on the TP that came from the phones...little tiny apps... Sep 27 16:36:14 If it appeared Pre-sized on the TP, it’s almost certainly a Mojo app. Sep 27 16:37:02 … but you could set a flag for a Mojo app to use the normal TP area. Sep 27 16:37:07 we repeatedly tried to get Mojo bits released..they simply didn't want to have it around. Sep 27 16:37:52 For example, Preware 1 is a Mojo app that fills the normal app area. Sep 27 16:38:56 I had forgotten that Sep 27 16:49:39 JSFiddle is the service I was trying to remember Sep 27 17:09:51 Herrie, so Optware is still an app we can put in the repo, updated to use /opt instead of the /ext3 or cryptofs from previously. Sep 27 17:10:12 the base files will create /opt at boot time so its all ready for Optware to be installed. Sep 27 17:11:06 it won't be a separate partition Sep 27 17:37:05 morphis: ping Sep 27 18:12:24 ka6sox: Not sure, in legacy it was an app I guess? I guess we could make in available in LuneOS too? Sep 27 18:12:26 Let me check legacy Sep 27 18:13:39 Herrie, optware essentially adds ipkg to /opt Sep 27 18:13:59 today I'd put opkg in instead Sep 27 18:14:24 apps are homed to /opt and libs too Sep 27 18:14:38 so its "self contained" but not a full chroot. Sep 27 18:36:57 Oh no, I just realized that chromium doesn't relay the additional feature we give to window.open to the Qt WebEngine... Sep 27 19:01:23 ka6sox: I'm trying to read the Makefile but a bit confused as to what it does. It just seems to do the mount? Sep 27 19:01:58 pretty much Sep 27 19:02:05 I'm proposing it also install opkg Sep 27 19:02:16 We have opkg on device already Sep 27 19:02:31 I use opkg install xyz.ipk all the time ;) Sep 27 19:02:36 however Sep 27 19:02:42 nm Sep 27 19:03:43 working 4 things right now...bbiaf Sep 27 19:04:02 We have opkg on device ready Sep 27 19:04:09 Just cannot seem to see what version etc Sep 27 19:04:13 Is there a command for that? Sep 27 19:05:57 nizovn: ping Sep 27 19:07:22 opkg --version doesn't work? Sep 27 19:22:16 Ah 0.2.4 Sep 27 19:51:07 I'll stop here for today, or I'll become a zombie :) Sep 27 20:05:51 Tofe, we don't need you to turn into one :) Sep 27 20:50:19 Herrie: pong **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Sep 28 02:59:58 2015