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Jan 09 05:30:06 <Herrie|Veer> ka6sox: pong
Jan 09 05:33:45 <Herrie|Veer> DougReeder: ping
Jan 09 07:26:25 <elvispre> Morning!
Jan 09 08:07:34 <Herrie|Veer> elvispre: morning!
Jan 09 08:09:29 <elvispre> Herrie: The clock alarm dashboard (with the buttons) does sometimes show up in time to be useful, it turns out.
Jan 09 08:10:34 <Herrie|Veer> elvispre: It could just be the cpu hog that we currently have that slows it. I also have dashboards with slow contents at times
Jan 09 08:10:56 <elvispre> Herrie: Yes, that is my opinion too.
Jan 09 08:12:13 <elvispre> So, the alarm works reasonably well except that it does not happen if the screen is off.
Jan 09 08:13:08 <Herrie> I guess that might need some fine tuning
Jan 09 08:13:23 <Herrie> Tofe is looking into the high CPU issue
Jan 09 08:13:29 <Herrie> Before that dashboards behaved better
Jan 09 08:13:43 <Herrie> He might be able to improve Just Type launch performance along the way ;)
Jan 09 08:15:25 <elvispre> Herrie: Thanks for merging the PR.
Jan 09 08:17:26 <Herrie> Yeah just wanted to double check if they were commented out intentionally
Jan 09 08:17:29 <elvispre> Herrie: I recommend that you try the clock alarm. If you're working on dashboards / notifications and app states and stuff, it gives you lots of test cases.
Jan 09 08:17:46 <Herrie> I need to follow up with LG SVL on the stuff I requested from them a long time ago
Jan 09 08:17:50 <Herrie> Including the ringtones
Jan 09 08:17:58 <Herrie> elvispre: Yeah I will sometime
Jan 09 08:19:07 <elvispre> Herrie: What's that? Permission to use things (like ringtones)?
Jan 09 08:21:12 <Herrie|Veer> elvispre: Yeah a couple of years back they provided us with different things from legacy including all kinds of icons, system sounds.
Jan 09 08:21:31 <Herrie|Veer> I sent them a second request with other things but to no avail so far.
Jan 09 08:21:51 <Herrie|Veer> At this point in time I doubt we'll get it but who knows :P
Jan 09 08:23:45 <Herrie|Veer> I don't even recall what I requested 2nd time :P
Jan 09 08:24:14 <elvispre> :)
Jan 09 08:24:38 <Herrie> This is what they provided before: https://github.com/openwebos/image-assets
Jan 09 08:44:03 <elvispre> Herrie: That's a good collection of files.
Jan 09 08:49:00 <Herrie|Veer> Yup :)
Jan 09 10:07:20 <Tofe> Morning!
Jan 09 10:09:57 <Tofe> Herrie|Veer: looks like not delaying the launcher startup doesn't have bad side-effects. It resolves the CPU-hog issue, and therefore we have much less delay between app bootsplash and real app window. The gap with the empty window is now just a flicker.
Jan 09 10:11:03 <Herrie|Veer> Tofe: NIce :) And I guess Just Type will also launch a lot quicker since it's already loaded?
Jan 09 10:11:17 <Herrie|Veer> Might also solve the dash performance problems?
Jan 09 10:13:01 <Tofe> Yes, it's much better.
Jan 09 10:14:05 <Tofe> I have also found out that if we want to have a more precise transition between app bootsplash and app window, we could use https://github.com/webOS-ports/qtwebengine/blob/webOS-ports/master/src/webengine/api/qquickwebengineview_p_p.h#L104
Jan 09 10:15:31 <Tofe> However, they want to move that little signal to the test API in 5.6, so we'll have to revert the commit if we really want it.
Jan 09 10:16:21 <Tofe> (it's still there as of today, because they are struggling to make the test compile, so we may have one more release with it :p )
Jan 09 10:17:15 <nizovn> Tofe: btw luna-next spends up to 3x more cpu when vkb is shown
Jan 09 10:18:21 <Herrie|Veer> Tofe: I say we fix it for now and revisit when 5.6 is out or later when needed. Anyway we'll need quite some work for 5.6 right? So as long as it's properly documented I don't see a problem.
Jan 09 10:19:11 <Herrie|Veer> I also did a no-brainer PR for Testr :P Add some more content to the dashboards :P
Jan 09 10:25:24 <Tofe> mmmh it's not glorious even with my PR: when showing justype (or email), they then continue to take a lot of CPU
Jan 09 10:25:48 <Tofe> It's quiet before showing them, though, so it's a little bit better.
Jan 09 10:26:36 <Herrie|Veer> Tofe: OK
Jan 09 10:27:48 <Tofe> (and it's less hacky)
Jan 09 10:28:13 <Herrie|Veer> Tofe: OK new build running
Jan 09 10:28:22 <Tofe> I think we may have an JS-loop somewhere
Jan 09 10:30:17 <Herrie|Veer> Tofe: Could be.
Jan 09 10:30:36 <Herrie|Veer> I think we're in pretty OK state to push a release out?
Jan 09 10:31:14 <Herrie|Veer> Too bad DougReeder doesn't seem to be around re dashboards, but fixed it to be working for now and can always expand later when needed.
Jan 09 10:31:32 <Tofe> Yes, will be a nice first 2016 release
Jan 09 10:32:14 <Herrie|Veer> I think soon we can start working on Phone app :)
Jan 09 10:32:31 <Herrie|Veer> With notifications & audio more or less sorted :)
Jan 09 10:32:54 <Tofe> yes :)
Jan 09 10:34:23 <Herrie|Veer> Pinged filmor for the pidgin messaging stuff, he's been busy like morphis but gave some pointers and will see if he can get something workable.
Jan 09 10:36:46 <Tofe> ok
Jan 09 13:09:38 <EricBlade> this might be a question worthy of starting a flame war, lol, but has anyone done any recent work with Java running on webOS ?
Jan 09 13:10:39 <EricBlade> also, does anyone remember asking me about home automation topics wrt webOS ?
Jan 09 13:27:51 <Herrie|Laptop> EricBlade: Not AFAIK :PO
Jan 09 13:28:19 <Herrie|Laptop> Not sure why you would want Java, I personally hate it (there you have your flamewar LOL :P)
Jan 09 13:29:23 <Herrie|Laptop> I guess it shouldn't be too hard to get it running but it's anyway out of my league ;)
Jan 09 13:29:46 <Herrie|Laptop> Tofe, morphis or nizovn might have an idea what it would take
Jan 09 13:44:18 <Herrie|Laptop> Tofe: Looks a lot better in new build!
Jan 09 18:55:31 <Tofe> Herrie: ping
Jan 09 18:56:08 <Tofe> Herrie: I was thinking, shouldn't we declare an empty "setRedirects" function, just for the sake of not having a JS error?
Jan 09 18:56:42 <Tofe> IIRC the whole JS callstack is stopped when such thing happens
Jan 09 19:06:50 <Herrie> Tofe: Yeah would be good I guess
Jan 09 19:07:02 <Herrie> I'm fine tuning banners etc a bit
Jan 09 19:08:29 <Tofe> I'm looking for where setRedirects was defined in OpenWebOS
Jan 09 19:19:48 <Herrie> It was somewhere in ISIS
Jan 09 19:20:14 <Herrie> I think
Jan 09 19:21:38 <Herrie> Sorry no it wasn't
Jan 09 19:21:48 <Herrie> Still don't have my dev hd's connected here so cannot check
Jan 09 19:21:57 <Herrie> Let me see on work laptop
Jan 09 20:40:49 <Herrie> Tofe: Hmmz can't find it now
Jan 09 20:40:55 <Herrie> I know I saw it before somehwere
Jan 09 20:46:31 <Herrie> Tofe: Might be this? https://github.com/isis-project/BrowserAdapter/blob/245f9c0c5e836336e2adbaca416b0a4bc9a5f74a/BrowserAdapter.cpp#L1945
Jan 09 21:24:45 <Tofe> Herrie: it's very near, but not exactly what is used by email
Jan 09 21:25:35 <Tofe> I've googled it for quite a long time, and nothing matches that body.setRedirects
Jan 09 21:58:36 <EricBlade1> Herrie: there's a particular piece of java software that i'd like to be run, and i was thinking about how incredibly nice it would be to be able to use it on a webos device
Jan 09 23:01:24 <DougReeder> Is there a specific question re: dashboards I can answer, Herrie?
Jan 09 23:02:04 <DougReeder> EricBlade, you should probably look to a portable version of Java that could be compiled into you app or service.
Jan 09 23:10:14 <Imajica> evening folks.. I've read and understand the rules... just doing some research before I start on my touchpad
Jan 09 23:13:00 <Imajica> at one point I installed cyanogenmod, overwriting webos (I do have a dedicated webos touchpad so I'm usung the other to play with)..do I need to put webos back on to start with?
Jan 10 00:50:54 <Imajica> ok got that part figured out... question: do I need to keep weos at all or can I just do a clean LuneOS?
Jan 10 01:11:48 <cobblemonster> Imajica you can do a clean install  (i have not done it thou!  i would keep moboot thou )
Jan 10 01:55:21 <Imajica> thanks cobblemonster... I think I'm gonna give it a shot
Jan 10 02:28:30 <Imajica> nope.. this'll be over my head without a guide... I'll just reset up webos first
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