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Jun 03 03:51:25 * DougReeder_ checks in
Jun 03 04:09:15 <Herrie> DougReeder_: morning
Jun 03 04:09:26 * DougReeder_ smiles
Jun 03 04:13:44 <Herrie> DougReeder_: Been doing a little work to get IM working, but not ready yet ;)
Jun 03 04:14:35 <Herrie> https://github.com/webOS-ports/imlibpurpleservice/commits/master https://github.com/webOS-ports/app-services/commit/a1434d43fe19e90a567e1a56c18aef813889e2df and https://github.com/webOS-ports/imaccountvalidator/commits/master
Jun 03 04:14:45 <DougReeder_> Good; I don’t have a sim card in my N4, so I could never send messages for real.
Jun 03 04:14:56 <Herrie> I'll try and see if I can get something simple like AOL or ICQ working first
Jun 03 04:15:08 <Herrie> Ran into some issues yesterday, but could be because I tested ICQ
Jun 03 04:15:21 * DougReeder_ nods “I have accounts on those”
Jun 03 04:15:24 <Herrie> AOL should be better since that was supported on 3.0.5 out of the box
Jun 03 04:15:51 <Herrie> DougReeder_: I don't really use AOL but my account still exists and was able to figure out my password :P
Jun 03 04:15:51 <DougReeder_> … tho IIRC ICQ is now owned by some shady Russian company.
Jun 03 04:17:28 <Herrie> Ah it's fine ;)
Jun 03 04:17:55 <Herrie> Just ICQ needed Filmor's work on legacy, AOL didn't. So I guess AOL is a safe bet to test with before venturing into others
Jun 03 04:18:03 <Herrie> Which will need some Enyo work as well
Jun 03 04:18:15 <DougReeder_> How so?
Jun 03 04:22:24 <Herrie> Because of custom validators & fields. (Or extend existing Enyo 1 App). Similar to https://github.com/filmor/webos-messaging/tree/master/application
Jun 03 04:22:35 <Herrie> We can probably use that with some modification
Jun 03 04:22:45 <Herrie> Drop the Mojo version altogether
Jun 03 04:22:45 <DougReeder_> For the account setup, you mean?
Jun 03 04:22:50 <Herrie> Yeah
Jun 03 04:22:56 <Herrie> The additional fields etc
Jun 03 05:08:01 <Herrie> morphis: morning
Jun 03 05:08:08 <morphis> Herrie: morning!
Jun 03 05:12:08 <Herrie> morphis: Just a quick question re camera. I remember we need Android 4.4.x for that in combination with specific gstreamer to use it, is that correct?
Jun 03 05:12:36 <morphis> that is hard to say
Jun 03 05:12:50 <morphis> camera basically works on Ubuntu accross Android versions with minimal changes
Jun 03 05:13:04 <morphis> but we're not going through gstreamer for it
Jun 03 05:16:22 <Herrie> morphis: Ah OK
Jun 03 05:17:08 <Herrie> I just put a very quick QT mock together earlier in the week based on the QT 5.6 Multimedia Camera example, but that doesn't find Camera devices
Jun 03 05:17:57 <morphis> Herrie: sure, you have to wrap the access to the android camera HAL throigh all layers
Jun 03 05:18:30 <morphis> Herrie: https://git.launchpad.net/~morphis/libhybris/+git/libhybris-ubuntu/tree/compat/camera is what we have on the Anroid side for that
Jun 03 05:18:44 <morphis> and then a Qt plugin is using that: https://code.launchpad.net/qtubuntu-camera
Jun 03 05:20:39 <Herrie> OK will have a look into that.
Jun 03 05:21:28 <morphis> ok
Jun 03 05:25:47 <Herrie> Are the libhybris bits Ubuntu specific or this is in upstream as well?
Jun 03 05:27:06 <morphis> no, they are ubuntu specific
Jun 03 05:27:16 <morphis> we're in the process of moving them out of libhybris
Jun 03 05:27:47 <morphis> Herrie: otherwise look at https://github.com/sailfishos/gst-droid
Jun 03 05:28:00 <morphis> but that requires changes on the android side too
Jun 03 05:29:13 <Herrie> OK well it's C++ so anway over my head, but I'll document it somewhere at least :)
Jun 03 05:41:48 <DougReeder_> Herrie, does Messaging currently make use of any launchParam?
Jun 03 05:52:01 <Herrie> DougReeder_: Yeah Andolamin added some for Just Type a while ago: https://github.com/webOS-ports/org.webosports.messaging/commit/ee57f1098c4c873947f6ca49c6d799a7d7637c93
Jun 03 05:52:04 <DougReeder_> Is there a way to observe, under webOS, the launchParam sent to an app.
Jun 03 05:55:50 <DougReeder_> Ah, should have pulled the latest Messaging, before schecking source code.
Jun 03 06:04:39 <DougReeder_> Hrm, there’s a params.compose.messageText, but no provision for composing a message to a particular user (which is what’s needed for the Contacts app)
Jun 03 06:08:15 <Herrie> DougReeder_: I guess that would need to be added at some point
Jun 03 06:09:13 <DougReeder_> ok, I’ll work with what we’ve got
Jun 03 06:09:54 * DougReeder_ Yawns goodnight
Jun 03 06:21:17 <DougReeder_> Ah, looks like the webOS syntax is: luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/launch '{"id":"com.palm.app.messaging","params":{"composeAddress":"8881234567","messageText":"test message" }}'
Jun 03 06:23:28 <DougReeder_> … but that doesn’t match the functionality of tapping an IM address in Contacts or Just Type.
Jun 03 06:23:33 * DougReeder_ frowns
Jun 03 07:04:51 <Herrie|Pre3> DougReeder: Legacy appinfo.json has "launchParam":{"compose":{"messageText":"#{searchTerms}"}}
Jun 03 07:05:18 <Herrie|Pre3> For Messaging that is.
Jun 03 08:00:31 <Tofe> Herrie|Pre3: late pong
Jun 03 08:01:12 <Tofe> Looks like I choose my vacation dates well; otherwise it would have been a wet pong :)
Jun 03 08:02:43 <Tofe> Herrie|Pre3: we have a camera app, now?
Jun 03 08:03:37 <Herrie|Pre3> Tofe: No, EricBlade just asked if mic + camera were working... So I took QT's sample camera app and tested it but that didn't work :P
Jun 03 08:03:45 <Herrie|Pre3> It didn't find any input devices :P
Jun 03 08:05:19 <Herrie|Pre3> Was just a 10 min mock to check what it would do :P
Jun 03 08:06:57 <Tofe> ah ok :)
Jun 03 08:07:21 <Herrie|Pre3> Basically stripped browser, put in sample code and made a recipe :P
Jun 03 08:07:59 <Tofe> but it *would* be a good app to have. I don't know if it would make more sense as QML or as Enyo, but anyway
Jun 03 08:08:36 <Herrie|Pre3> Tofe: Well probably QML or C++ would be easie
Jun 03 08:08:38 <Herrie|Pre3> +r
Jun 03 08:08:50 <Tofe> Yes, and naybe easier to debug too
Jun 03 08:08:57 <Herrie|Pre3> Since we'd anyway need to hook it up somewhere. QT provides most already
Jun 03 08:09:03 <Herrie|Pre3> In QtMultiMedia
Jun 03 08:09:06 <Tofe> True
Jun 03 08:09:19 <Herrie|Pre3> But we'd need to do a few bits in Android first it seems
Jun 03 08:09:27 <Herrie|Pre3> morphis pasted some links
Jun 03 08:09:32 <Tofe> Did you already have a look at his links?
Jun 03 08:10:46 <Tofe> mmh maybe it's more for me, looks like a whole lot of c++, hybris and qt integration :)
Jun 03 08:11:21 <Herrie|Pre3> Yeah :P
Jun 03 08:11:31 <Herrie|Pre3> I get lost there... Been looking at some IM stuff
Jun 03 08:11:54 <Herrie|Pre3> That's more up my to my skillset to put together, though also some c++ stuff
Jun 03 08:11:59 <Herrie|Pre3> But can do quite some legwork
Jun 03 08:12:36 <Herrie|Pre3> It's basically getting the libpurple stuff hooked up with imaccountvalidator and imlibpurpleservice
Jun 03 08:13:36 <Herrie|Pre3> Adding some templates, db kinds, permissions, ls2 roles, account templates & validator.
Jun 03 08:16:55 <Tofe> ok, yes very promising too
Jun 03 08:17:48 <Tofe> for the camera, I think we'll have to wait a little bit, my internet connexion here is ... well, not permanent
Jun 03 08:18:02 <Herrie|Pre3> Just needed to migrate some missing stuff from 3.0.5 mainly.
Jun 03 08:18:25 <Tofe> ok
Jun 03 08:18:31 <Herrie|Pre3> And we have Filmor's webos-messaging bits that worked on 2.x and 3.0.5
Jun 03 08:19:00 <Herrie|Pre3> It doesn't work though... Getting permission errors while ls2 permissions are there... So I suspect something else is broken :P
Jun 03 08:19:48 <Tofe> I never looked at it; and to be frank, I don't really know how it works in LuneOS: do we have a centralized messaging log/management?
Jun 03 08:20:25 <Herrie|Pre3> Tofe: Yes ;) The power of Synergy ;)
Jun 03 08:20:26 <Tofe> I would guess it is, but I don't know
Jun 03 08:20:35 <Tofe> ok, good :)
Jun 03 08:21:34 <Tofe> so, next question: what's missing to the Messaging app to manage the other types of messages?
Jun 03 08:21:35 <Herrie|Pre3> It's basically a number of db8 kinds with watches and we have imaccountvalidator to verify account details (not too different from validator in Accounts App). That can be extended
Jun 03 08:22:19 <Herrie|Pre3> And then we have imlibpurpletransport/service which is basically doing all the connection stuff with pidgin/libpurple in the background
Jun 03 08:22:41 <Herrie|Pre3> For the rest it works fairly similar to SMS :P
Jun 03 08:22:58 <Tofe> But we need a separate app?
Jun 03 08:23:27 <Herrie|Pre3> Tofe: No idea is that it would go into Messaging just like in 2.x/3.x
Jun 03 08:23:46 <Tofe> Ok, perfect
Jun 03 08:24:12 <Tofe> I was wrongly thinking webos-messaging was a separate app
Jun 03 08:24:17 <Herrie|Pre3> So if you have 1 contact with a phone number, skype name, icq number and they're all linked, you'd have 1 conversation in messaging.
Jun 03 08:24:22 <Tofe> but it's an infrastructure bit
Jun 03 08:24:47 <Herrie|Pre3> Tofe: Well for legacy they needed to bolt on some bits because it wasn't that open ;)
Jun 03 08:24:51 <Herrie|Pre3> We're more flexible.
Jun 03 08:24:57 <Tofe> Herrie|Pre3: yes we are :)
Jun 03 08:25:08 <Herrie|Pre3> The only thing we need from there is the Enyo 1 validator templates.
Jun 03 08:25:14 <Tofe> Ok, but then that's all very fine, I like it that way :P
Jun 03 08:25:24 <Tofe> ok
Jun 03 08:25:59 <Herrie|Pre3> Or it might even be possible to extend Accounts app, but the templates are fine in general and we have these as well. Just it's Enyo/Mojo hybrid. I'll strip it down a bit I guess
Jun 03 08:27:33 <Tofe> Ok; I'll try to have a look at ubuntu camera bits; I guess we can do a prototype which includes hybris-camera and wait for the upstream merge, if it's not too long
Jun 03 08:28:12 <Herrie|Pre3> Accounts app already provides functionality for "custom validator" templates so I guess we can just use that. Just need to see which IM services still work, which we could add etc
Jun 03 08:29:03 <Tofe> Ah, seems like I'm wanted out there, gotta leave :) see you in a bit
Jun 03 08:29:11 <Herrie|Pre3> OK :)
Jun 03 08:29:14 <Herrie|Pre3> Enjoy!
Jun 03 08:29:25 <Tofe> thanks!
Jun 03 16:08:17 <dr_gogeta86> hi guys
Jun 03 16:08:55 <dr_gogeta86> anyone know where I can find some docs or scripts about the android container ?
Jun 03 16:09:21 <Herrie|Pre3> dr_gogeta86: What you want to do/know?
Jun 03 16:10:15 <dr_gogeta86> I'm usually make a pastry of android fs and glibc rootfs ( on sailfish )
Jun 03 16:10:29 <dr_gogeta86> but I see luneos use lxc
Jun 03 16:10:42 <Herrie|Pre3> Yeah we use lxc 2.0
Jun 03 16:10:44 <dr_gogeta86> curiosity
Jun 03 16:10:48 <Herrie|Pre3> Recently upgraded ;)
Jun 03 16:10:52 <dr_gogeta86> kudos
Jun 03 16:10:59 <Herrie|Pre3> We were on 1.0.1 before
Jun 03 16:11:28 <Herrie|Pre3> We use Yocto for our build in general (Krogoth release)
Jun 03 16:11:44 <dr_gogeta86> i know
Jun 03 16:11:46 <Herrie|Pre3> But using device specific kernels not the Yocto one
Jun 03 16:11:52 <dr_gogeta86> of course
Jun 03 16:12:11 <dr_gogeta86> I see you build it twice once into android kitchen
Jun 03 16:12:36 <dr_gogeta86> and then within oe but with android +  requirements for systemd
Jun 03 16:12:46 <Herrie|Pre3> Yeah... We build android bits and plug it into OE.
Jun 03 16:13:03 <dr_gogeta86> but what isn't clear to me
Jun 03 16:13:05 <Herrie|Pre3> It's fully out in the open :P
Jun 03 16:13:24 <dr_gogeta86> how do you glue libhybris into container
Jun 03 16:16:29 <Herrie|Pre3> OE does it, I'm not really sure tbh
Jun 03 16:16:35 <Herrie|Pre3> I would need to check some scripts
Jun 03 16:16:49 <Herrie|Pre3> I don't look at the lower level bits usually.
Jun 03 16:17:02 <Herrie|Pre3> morphis: ^
Jun 03 16:17:09 <Herrie|Pre3> morphis did this setup.
Jun 03 16:18:47 <dr_gogeta86> found this
Jun 03 16:18:48 <dr_gogeta86> https://github.com/shr-distribution/meta-smartphone/blob/shr/meta-android/recipes-core/android-system/android-system/lxc-config
Jun 03 16:21:00 <dr_gogeta86> found something ... thank you
Jun 03 16:21:39 <Herrie|Pre3> We're on krogoth branch for most
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