**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 10 02:59:58 2016 Aug 10 05:15:06 Morning! Aug 10 05:16:02 Herrie: the goal of the luna-webappmanager PR is to be able to support this Enyo's fullscreen call; it's still untested though, I don't know which app uses it Aug 10 05:17:46 Herrie: it could be a but in our c++ LunaServices, I'll check Aug 10 05:50:48 Morning Aug 10 05:50:51 Tofe: OK Aug 10 05:51:13 Tofe: I have some apps that call the fullscreen bits from Enyo I guess Aug 10 06:57:34 Herrie: do you have the log output when trying to have the browser fullscreen, by any chance ? Aug 10 07:16:08 morning Aug 10 07:18:39 JaMa: Flashed 5.6.1 image on Mako, didn't see anything odd yet :) Aug 10 07:45:40 cool Aug 10 08:38:04 Herrie|Pre3: Tofe: the binutils fix from meta-webos-ports isn't needed for oe-core/master because it already has 2.26.1 which includes it Aug 10 08:38:20 let me know if you think it's worth backporting to upstream oe-core/krogoth Aug 10 08:46:27 Not worth, no; we already have our bbappend, it works well. Aug 10 08:50:30 Though others might benefit from it being in oe-core/krogoth Aug 10 08:54:27 yes, that's what I meant, how important the issue is to affect other projects Aug 10 08:55:18 JaMa: We ran into it while trying to install some legacy IPK's Aug 10 08:57:06 ah so it's just for "ar" used by opkg, I see Aug 10 08:57:07 Not sure what other projects would run into it. LG theoretically might but not sure where they are currently since they're pretty stealthy Aug 10 08:57:22 You are a better judge for that Aug 10 08:57:46 not affected for various reasons Aug 10 08:58:10 JaMa: That's what I suspected :P Aug 10 08:58:59 ok, I'll send it upstream as you already did all the analysis and work :) Aug 10 09:39:07 JaMa: Thnx Aug 10 09:45:42 By the way I tested your pidgin 2.11.0 recipe but I still don't get the ssl-nss.so :s Aug 10 09:45:51 Not sure what I'm doing wrong Aug 10 09:46:54 Maybe it's something in our .bbappend? Aug 10 09:52:13 Herrie|Pre3: check with bitbake -e if you're passing --enable-nss and if it's there then check log.do_configure to see if it was correctly detected, the .bbappend in meta-webos-ports shouldn't influence it Aug 10 09:53:01 JaMa: OK will have a look tonight. Aug 10 17:37:18 Tofe: So it wasn't me :P Aug 10 17:38:54 Herrie|2: nope :) Aug 10 17:39:21 Pushing & testing now Aug 10 17:41:48 Tofe: Gesture area is still visible, though according to code it shouldn't be? Aug 10 17:41:54 Since it anchors to bottom? Aug 10 17:42:07 Herrie|2: no, it's just bottom of notification area Aug 10 17:42:14 Tofe: Ah Aug 10 17:42:18 Anyway makes sense Aug 10 17:42:21 gesture area is supposed to be there Aug 10 17:42:23 We can easily exit then Aug 10 17:42:34 (if the tweak doesn't say otherwise) Aug 10 17:42:48 Legacy does whole screen, but then again it had dedicated gesture area which we don't have Aug 10 17:43:00 exactly Aug 10 17:43:27 Seems I messed up my GRUB(2) on build machine when I took out one of the SSD's to put in a Lenovo X200 I got from a colleague for free :P Aug 10 17:43:31 So need to fix that in a bit :P Aug 10 17:43:32 Maybe we'll find a more elegant way to handle the gestures in the future Aug 10 17:43:47 Tofe: Yeah anyway this is great already :D Aug 10 17:43:59 Herrie: beware the disk order :p Aug 10 17:44:34 Herrie: well, in card view we don't really need the gesture area; we could use the launchbar for this Aug 10 17:45:15 but in maximized and fullscreen, I don't see yet how to do Aug 10 17:46:28 For swipe up we could maybe think of something, but for the "back" swipe ... I don't know. Aug 10 17:47:37 why would the gesture area ever be missing? Aug 10 17:47:43 Anyway. Do you still have the link to the big list of "if.. then ... else" for the SERVICE to Capability ? Aug 10 17:47:56 GodGinrai: back swipe ? Aug 10 17:48:21 GodGinrai: ah, you mean, why would we remove it? Aug 10 17:48:22 Tofe: how is that a reason to remove the gesture area? Aug 10 17:48:24 yes Aug 10 17:48:43 GodGinrai: just because it eats permanently quite some space on the screen Aug 10 17:49:06 given how large the screen space is on phones nowadays, I don't see how that's a problem Aug 10 17:49:19 GodGinrai: TP has a hardware button ;) Aug 10 17:49:28 Some user complained so we made a Tweak to remove it :P Aug 10 17:49:29 Herrie: TP was badly designed Aug 10 17:49:43 GodGinrai: Well it's still pretty useful today Aug 10 17:49:45 Herrie: TP button doesn't do swipes, though Aug 10 17:50:03 So maybe from UI side yes, but it's holding pretty well seeing it's 5 years old Aug 10 17:50:12 So for 2nd tier hardware it isn't really bad Aug 10 17:50:29 Herrie: I'm not saying the hardware is bad, but they mangled WebOS to fit the tablet rather than designing the tablet to fit WebOS Aug 10 17:51:20 GodGinrai: yes, but OTOH it was the first landscape WebOS device, wasn't it? Aug 10 17:51:43 The button on the Go was on the long side Aug 10 17:51:57 Which makes a lot more sense on a device you use in landscape 99% of the time Aug 10 17:52:01 Tofe: yes, but that doesn't mean they couldn't have made decisions that fit better w/ webos Aug 10 17:52:31 GodGinrai: I agree I never understood that non-swipeable button, for instance. Aug 10 17:52:51 yea, they should have just included the gesture area Aug 10 17:53:38 It required devs to add a back button option Aug 10 17:55:24 Tofe: This list? https://github.com/wosigh/messaging-plugins/blob/master/3.0/Compiler%20Source%20Files/imlibpurpleservice-1.0/src/IMLoginState.cpp#L1392 Aug 10 17:55:36 Ah ! Yes ! Thanks. Aug 10 17:55:38 Or this one? https://github.com/wosigh/messaging-plugins/blob/master/3.0/Compiler%20Source%20Files/imlibpurpleservice-1.0/src/OnEnabledHandler.cpp#L149 Aug 10 17:55:42 Or both anyway :P Aug 10 17:56:19 Because after trying out some little things (with the new index, for example), I quickly remarked that it wouldn't work: we really need to determine the capability. Aug 10 17:57:21 So I'll put as a central place as possible, and we'll use it like that, because doing otherwise would be quite complicated. Aug 10 17:57:26 put it* Aug 10 17:59:20 Tofe: You mean one central place where we put all these protocol/service specific bits (like some header) and then use that where it's needed? Aug 10 18:06:03 no, just in imlibpurpleservice, for now Aug 10 18:06:15 But I'm still looking for a more elegant way Aug 10 18:16:45 Tofe: I meant more we have different places within imlibpurpleservice now holding bits for specific IM services. It would be good to at least define them centrally somewhere. Aug 10 18:16:49 See the above 2 links Aug 10 18:17:38 yes, I think the same Aug 10 18:17:55 but maybe I've found another way; let me experiment a bit Aug 10 18:17:57 is LG SVL still looking for devs, btw? Aug 10 18:18:21 GodGinrai: I think so Aug 10 18:18:34 Wasn't the offers on their website somewhere? Aug 10 18:18:37 Seems so: http://lgsvl.com/careers/ Aug 10 18:18:50 Tofe: http://lgsvl.com/careers/2014-2423/ That's one for you :P Aug 10 18:20:16 hehe :) Aug 10 18:20:53 It has been there for two years, I do hope they found someone Aug 10 18:21:14 Tofe: Well doens't seem easy in California it seems ;) Aug 10 18:21:54 I saw articles that complain it's hard to find talented people there without paying top $$ because the likes of Google & Facebook take all ;) Aug 10 18:22:45 Well, it's always possible to get moderately talented people for moderately high $$ Aug 10 18:26:43 Question: does it make sense to use a MojService object (from db8 APIs) to do a LS2 call? Or is it probably completely unrelated? Aug 10 18:27:37 What I'd like to do is call luna://com.palm.service.accounts/listAccountTemplates at imlibpurpleservice's initialization, to get the list of all capabilities and memorize it for the future Aug 10 18:29:43 Mmh. Looks good. I'll try. Aug 10 18:30:21 Tofe: LS2 call sounds reasonable to me Aug 10 19:39:41 nizovn: ping Aug 10 19:55:54 Herrie: pong Aug 10 20:05:59 nizovn: I got Alan asking where in Android he could find the files he put on a N4 with NTP. You have any ideas? Aug 10 20:06:08 Or this is not reachable from Android due to LXC? Aug 10 20:08:20 honestly i don't know for N4. probably you need to mount partition containing LuneOS /media/internal Aug 10 20:08:23 does android even support containers? Aug 10 20:16:46 Ok, I think I broke imlibpurpleservice with my little attempt :p Aug 10 20:25:35 Tofe: LOL Aug 10 20:25:46 Anything in logs? Aug 10 20:26:21 No, the logs for that have always been a mysterious to get -- even with PmLogCtl Aug 10 20:26:37 Last time I used gdb to modify the log level Aug 10 20:27:00 Here's what I have now: https://github.com/Tofee/imlibpurpleservice/commit/d8e77f6ed93e0066056efd194d0278c81019c340 Aug 10 20:27:38 It builds, but that's quite all. I don't see online buddies. Aug 10 20:28:11 Tofe: THat's normal I think Aug 10 20:28:18 You're using legacy or our app? Aug 10 20:28:40 legacy Aug 10 20:29:07 There it should work I'd say Aug 10 20:29:14 WHen you're logged in, I can send you something Aug 10 20:29:17 Then you can reply Aug 10 20:29:22 That should work with new one too Aug 10 20:29:30 At least when you fixed the right stuff Aug 10 20:29:36 I... should be logged in my AIM and ICQ right now.. Aug 10 20:29:42 with* Aug 10 20:31:21 Ok sent you messages on ICQ & AOL Aug 10 20:31:37 Then I confirm I broke it :) Aug 10 20:32:04 My code is still very alpha anyway, so that's not very surprising Aug 10 20:32:42 I'll stop here for tonight, and continue tomorrow, with a fresh eye Aug 10 20:32:44 Herrie: can you show the output of mount? Aug 10 20:33:20 Tofe: That sounds like a plan Aug 10 20:33:28 I'm heading in early too.... Aug 10 20:33:32 Was 2:00 last night Aug 10 20:33:42 Tofe: My GRUB is fixed again though :P Aug 10 20:33:49 It was on the SSD I pulled Aug 10 20:34:00 Ran repair tool and now it's on my build SSD :P Aug 10 20:34:13 So can build stuffs again Aug 10 20:34:47 nizovn: https://bpaste.net/show/8e18d57902c1 Aug 10 20:43:23 :) Aug 10 20:50:14 Tofe: We should still send appId in this one? https://github.com/webOS-ports/luna-webappmanager/pull/64/commits/991b2dedfbafece8a37ae3f4c0e41cdbf861ee9f Aug 10 20:57:00 Herrie: and please output of findmnt Aug 10 20:59:11 https://bpaste.net/show/ecebe9479f41 Aug 10 21:02:06 interesting, seems if you paste files in /media/internal/android, they should be visible in android as sdcard (probably) Aug 10 21:27:00 nizovn: Thnx Aug 10 21:43:09 Herrie: so if you want files to be easily accessible from both systems, put them in /media/internal/android Aug 10 21:43:47 but you can see LuneOS /media/internal from android as well, somewhere under /data/luneos-data/userdata or /data/media/0/luneos-data/userdata Aug 10 21:46:28 nizovn: Thnx will ask Alan to test :P Aug 10 21:46:51 ok Aug 10 21:48:44 I only use LuneOS on my N4 :P Aug 10 21:49:32 :) Aug 10 21:49:51 Not as daily driver yet though, but that seems more likely with current developments :D Aug 10 21:51:47 At least N4 doesn't lock up frequently anymore :) Aug 10 21:54:20 Herrie: do you remember anything about status of linux 3.4 on TP? seems 3.0 is unusable because it can't resume from suspend Aug 10 21:55:51 nizovn: Not sure... Aug 10 21:55:57 We're using 3.0 now? Aug 10 21:56:35 yup Aug 10 21:57:26 What issue you have with suspend? Aug 10 21:57:37 And how can I replicate? Aug 10 21:58:24 it reboots instead of resuming Aug 10 21:58:53 make sure usb is disconnected, turn off screen, wait 5 sec, and press power button Aug 10 22:00:30 nizovn: OK I'll test it on mine in the morning. Bedtime now Aug 10 22:00:41 It's strange because I don't recall this from earlier builds Aug 10 22:01:34 ok.. Aug 10 22:01:51 Herrie: good night :) Aug 10 22:02:18 Good night ;) Aug 11 01:01:59 Herrie, I think I might have an idea as to why DNS was breaking Aug 11 01:02:08 I have made a few changes that will hopefully help Aug 11 01:04:17 if we see it again, I will re-engage **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Aug 11 02:59:58 2016