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Aug 19 06:11:27 <Tofe> Morning
Aug 19 06:23:08 <Herrie> Tofe: Morning
Aug 19 06:23:21 <Herrie> I'm reworking Settings quite a bit, wasn't happy with some things :P
Aug 19 06:23:28 <Herrie> So getting my feet wet with Enyo :P
Aug 19 06:27:13 <Herrie> Hope to have a PR ready later today or sometime in the weekend
Aug 19 06:45:11 <Tofe> One day, I'll really learn Enyo
Aug 19 07:17:58 <Herrie|Pre3> Tofe: LOL me too :P
Aug 19 07:22:15 <Herrie|Pre3> I can hack around a bit for now :P
Aug 19 19:27:07 <Herrie> So made 1 working Galaxy Nexus from 2 broken ones just now :) Used my working screen & Andolamin's donated mainboard to replace my mainboard with broken sim slot :)
Aug 19 19:27:17 <Herrie> Andolamin: ^ Thanks for the donated Galaxy Nexus :D
Aug 19 19:56:49 <Andolamin> No problem - glad it worked
Aug 19 20:04:50 <Herrie|Laptop> Andolamin: Still need to flash LuneOS on it, but that shouldn't be rocket science hopefully...
Aug 19 20:05:02 <Andolamin> Hopefully :)
Aug 19 20:05:27 <Herrie|Laptop> Got a few Enyo questions :P
Aug 19 20:05:38 <Herrie|Laptop> Since I started to look into some things, just I get lost easily :S
Aug 19 20:08:23 <Herrie|Laptop> Do you know if there are any good GUI tools I can use? Is Ares still a thing?
Aug 19 20:10:13 <Herrie|Laptop> This is still 2.5.x Enyo, not 2.7
Aug 19 20:10:16 <Andolamin> Hmm, I think Ares went away. Haven't heard anything about it in quite a long time.
Aug 19 20:10:32 <Herrie|Laptop> Andolamin: Ok... I'm just struggling with layout :S
Aug 19 20:10:45 <Herrie|Laptop> Things don't get aligned properly, don't float where I want them etc :S
Aug 19 20:10:57 <Herrie|Laptop> And I'm not really sure how to do some things...
Aug 19 20:12:01 <Andolamin> Are you using FittableColumns/FittableRows or just CSS floats?
Aug 19 20:13:02 <Herrie|Laptop> FittableColumns
Aug 19 20:13:18 <novaldex|away> Herrie: i've been using jsfiddle to work out my Enyo alignments, etc. works pretty well but i've usually reduced my code a lot to make it simpler to understand
Aug 19 20:13:33 <novaldex|away> especially when working with lists
Aug 19 20:13:45 <Herrie|Laptop> I'm not happy with our current dropdowns in Settings app. It looks messy. I liked the way it was done in legacy
Aug 19 20:13:50 <Andolamin> You can mail me your code (or link me to Github, if you've pushed it somewhere) and I'll take a look
Aug 19 20:14:07 <Herrie|Laptop> We miss a down arrow on the right for example on the Picker: http://www.theunwired.net/media/news/hp_webos_skype_account_settings.jpg
Aug 19 20:14:12 <Herrie|Laptop> THat's what I'd like to replicate
Aug 19 20:14:28 <Andolamin> Ah
Aug 19 20:14:43 <Herrie|Laptop> That should be something with a css class I guess
Aug 19 20:14:50 <Herrie|Laptop> Just I have no clue how & where I should put this
Aug 19 20:15:00 <Herrie|Laptop> It's my first time touching Enyo really :P
Aug 19 20:16:06 <Herrie|Laptop> We have this currently in the app: http://webos-ports.github.io/org.webosports.app.settings/debug.html
Aug 19 20:16:10 <Herrie|Laptop> See Sound & Ringtones
Aug 19 20:16:31 <Herrie|Laptop> The alignment annoys the hell out of me, but there need plenty options adding as well. Once I have 1 working others should be easier :)
Aug 19 20:16:38 <Herrie|Laptop> Let me push my broken code :P
Aug 19 20:16:45 <Herrie|Laptop> Well it works but doesn't do what I want
Aug 19 20:18:20 <Andolamin> Sounds like you'll need to create a custom Picker that uses something other than a Button as the decorator...
Aug 19 20:19:04 <Herrie|Laptop> Andolamin: What I have now: I have a button that holds the value and a picker with 2 values
Aug 19 20:19:20 <Herrie|Laptop> When the slider is moved the value of the button should be updated (works)
Aug 19 20:19:47 <Herrie|Laptop> But when I select MIN or MAX in picker, it should put the slider value but it doesn't... I must be missing something fundamental
Aug 19 20:19:52 <Herrie|Laptop> Let me push
Aug 19 20:20:34 <Herrie|Laptop> Also would like to have the button/picker values to be blue :P
Aug 19 20:22:14 <Herrie|Laptop> https://github.com/webOS-ports/org.webosports.app.settings/blob/herrie/rework/source/views/Sound.js#L48
Aug 19 20:22:40 <Herrie|Laptop> And https://github.com/webOS-ports/org.webosports.app.settings/blob/herrie/rework/source/views/Sound.js#L297
Aug 19 20:23:47 <Herrie|Laptop> It's far from functional, I was just working out 1 concept first before hooking things up
Aug 19 20:23:58 <Andolamin> OK, I'll take a look
Aug 19 20:23:59 <Herrie|Laptop> It's mainly copy & paste once 1 is working properly :P
Aug 19 20:24:02 <Herrie|Laptop> Thnx
Aug 19 20:25:07 <novaldex|away> Herrie|Laptop: i've been using jsfiddle to work out my Enyo alignments, etc. works pretty well but i've usually reduced my code a lot to make it simpler to understand
Aug 19 20:25:20 <Andolamin> Herrie|Laptop: BTW - running a build now to see if LuneOS is working again on RaspberryPi 2 using staged VC4 changes
Aug 19 20:25:54 <Andolamin> novaldex|away: Yeah - generally not a bad strategy.
Aug 19 20:25:56 <Herrie|Laptop> Andolamin: I tried it last week but it didn't work then with master. Still the gstreamer 1.6x issues
Aug 19 20:26:15 <Herrie|Laptop> novaldex|away: Yeah just I never really touched Enyo before in any way or form
Aug 19 20:26:28 <Herrie|Laptop> I can do it a hacky way probably but would like to do it proper way :P
Aug 19 20:26:42 <Herrie|Laptop> Most I've done in Enyo before was slightly modifying existing code
Aug 19 20:26:46 <Andolamin> Herrie: Yeah, new VC4 stuff hasn't been quite merged to master yet, but it's been staged for merge, so it should go in soon
Aug 19 20:27:20 <Herrie|Laptop> Andolamin: OK. Alternatively we might be able to upgrade gstreamer, I saw meta-oe or oe-core had 1.8.x in master branch
Aug 19 20:27:25 <Andolamin> https://github.com/kraj/meta-raspberrypi/tree/kraj/master
Aug 19 20:28:03 <novaldex|away> my fiddles are usually very stripped down versions of my code, when i'm testing something specific & need to work it through slowly
Aug 19 20:28:15 <novaldex|away> helped a heck of a lot when I was doing lists
Aug 19 20:28:31 <Andolamin> Not sure that would solve our problem. With just OE and meta-raspberrypi I can build gstreamer 1.8.x no problem. Something in our environment is breaking it
Aug 19 20:28:43 <Andolamin> s/1.8.x/1.6.x
Aug 19 20:28:59 <novaldex|away> i've dabbled with Enyo for a while, but got one app that's got a lot of work in it
Aug 19 20:29:39 <Herrie|Laptop> I'm more doing QML most of the time, but well ;)
Aug 19 20:29:57 <Herrie|Laptop> I'm not a good coder in any way :P Most of my code is hacky and far from optimal :P
Aug 19 20:30:12 <Andolamin> novaldex|away: Yeah, there's a bit of a learning curve. I started with Enyo at 0.1.0 and work with 2.6/2.7 daily here at LG.
Aug 19 20:30:14 <Herrie|Laptop> Hence lots of reworks after comments from people who code better :P
Aug 19 20:30:29 <Andolamin> Herrie|Laptop: Good way to get better
Aug 19 20:30:45 <Andolamin> Everyone starts somewhere
Aug 19 20:31:08 <Herrie|Laptop> I code too little, that's the problem... My day job doesn't involve coding, maybe some SQL, VbScript, VBA at times but that's about it :P
Aug 19 20:31:23 <Herrie|Laptop> And don't have too much time besides that with the little one
Aug 19 20:31:44 <novaldex|away> i'd have to say i'm in no way a good coder (despite the degree in it)
Aug 19 20:31:55 <Andolamin> Just waiting for qtwebengine to build... gstreamer has already finished successfully, so I suspect the build will finish. Then it's just checking how it runs on device.
Aug 19 20:32:03 <novaldex|away> I started with 1.0 & found 2 a big step
Aug 19 20:32:16 <novaldex|away> was happy with 2.5 & now trying to adjust to 2.7
Aug 19 20:32:34 <Andolamin> Yeah - and Enyo-next will be another *big* step
Aug 19 20:32:52 <Andolamin> But worth it
Aug 19 20:33:02 <novaldex|away> my day job usually involves telling users how permissions & security works, and 'why' they can't have what they demand
Aug 19 20:33:21 <novaldex|away> that and a lot of powershell
Aug 19 20:33:48 <novaldex|away> Andolamin: thanks, I appreciate learning it'll be worth it!
Aug 19 20:34:03 <Andolamin> That sounds a lot like my last job (s/powershell/Salesforce and s/users/my boss)
Aug 19 20:34:52 <novaldex|away> found out yesterday my 'boss' (client actually, i'm contract) has just put his notice in!
Aug 19 20:36:38 <Andolamin> I've had that happen to me a couple of times
Aug 19 20:36:56 <Andolamin> Not a fan, to be honest :P
Aug 19 20:37:37 <novaldex|away> me neither, but fortunately I know the guy who'll be taking over
Aug 19 20:42:10 <Herrie> Hehe ;)
Aug 19 20:42:14 <novaldex|away> Herrie|Laptop: I may be wrong (as i'm taking it from 2.7), but I use 'this.$.pickerButton.set( "content", content );' to set the content of a picker button
Aug 19 20:42:19 <Herrie> I'm still on the lookout for a new job ;)
Aug 19 20:42:23 <novaldex|away> Andolamin: feel free to correct me!
Aug 19 20:42:35 <Andolamin> Valid option, yeah
Aug 19 20:42:44 <Herrie> novaldex|away: The way I did it works in general
Aug 19 20:42:47 <Andolamin> You can also use this.$.pickerButton.setContent(content);
Aug 19 20:42:56 <Herrie> THe problem I have is setting the slider value it seems :P
Aug 19 20:43:01 <novaldex|away> i'm always, ummm, casually on the lookout? being contract it's nice to pick & choose
Aug 19 20:43:02 <Herrie> And the alignment in general
Aug 19 20:43:08 <novaldex|away> ah! sorry, reading the wrong line there..
Aug 19 20:43:29 <Andolamin> Any key/value in the published block of a kind will have a corresponding setKey method
Aug 19 20:46:32 <Herrie> novaldex|away: Mine is not out of free choice, company decided to relocate the department altogether from NL to UK and I cannot move due to wife being in middle of 4 yr study :P
Aug 19 20:47:04 <Herrie> So far a bit unlucky... Ended up with last 2, 3/4 times but didn't make it for a different reason every time :S
Aug 19 20:47:23 <Herrie> Then again this cannot go on forever, odds must be increasing :P
Aug 19 20:47:27 <novaldex|away> Herrie: sorry to hear that, had something similar few years ago where mine went from UK to US, with no option except the door
Aug 19 20:47:43 <Herrie> Well I had move option, just London too busy for me :P
Aug 19 20:48:05 <novaldex|away> me too, nice to visit, wonderful to leave
Aug 19 20:48:28 <Herrie> And after 4,5 years at this company I'm ready for something else too... Just the area I work in there are 1-3 suitable vacancies a month, so picking is slim :P
Aug 19 20:49:07 <Herrie> Got contacted for some job in Dubai with a really nice & tax free salary.... Will get details Sunday probably :P
Aug 19 20:49:10 <novaldex|away> I wish you luck! odds have to be improving for you
Aug 19 20:49:32 <Herrie> Would be a hard sell anyway here :P
Aug 19 20:50:02 <Herrie> But the $$$ there is really good and tax free :P Doing it a few years would make leaps of difference for rest of life/career :P
Aug 19 20:51:45 <DougReederPhone> Herrie, if you want to add a graphic down arrow to a button you can do it statically.
Aug 19 20:52:47 <Herrie> DougReederPhone: I can do it the hacky way, but would like to do it "properly" :P
Aug 19 20:53:11 <DougReederPhone> See the Enyo page on buttons. It may be in older docs, but nothing has changed.
Aug 19 20:54:03 <DougReederPhone> IIRC, you'll need 2 child controls of tje button
Aug 19 20:54:22 <DougReederPhone> One text, one image.
Aug 19 21:03:16 <DougReederPhone> For checking aligmment, run the app in a browser and use the browser tools.
Aug 19 21:03:55 <DougReederPhone> You can tweak the DOM,then update the source code accordingly
Aug 19 21:05:12 <Andolamin> +1 to browser tools, I use them all the time
Aug 19 21:05:48 <Andolamin> Not a small motivation in my getting the Chromebook Pixel for development (touch screen is very useful when testing these apps)
Aug 19 21:18:30 <DougReederPhone> I'd love to try a touchscreen Chromebook.
Aug 19 21:18:51 <DougReederPhone> But they never are available at the resale store.
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