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Oct 06 03:49:55 <Herrie> EricBlade: ping
Oct 06 07:07:25 <Tofe> Morning!
Oct 06 07:21:50 <Herrie|Pre3> morning :)
Oct 06 15:38:40 <JaMa> Tofe: Herrie: I did small krogoth update now when binutils patch is merged in upstream oe-core
Oct 06 16:44:49 <Tofe> JaMa: thanks!
Oct 06 16:47:24 <Herrie> JaMa: I saw other bits as well
Oct 06 16:47:28 <Herrie> Did you bump testing already?
Oct 06 16:47:31 <Herrie> meta-oe and oe-core?
Oct 06 16:49:02 <JaMa> yes I did, build is running now
Oct 06 16:52:55 <ComputerElbow> I'm getting an error each time I try to build the VirtualBox Appliance image.  Is this the correct place to ask for assistance?
Oct 06 16:53:40 <ComputerElbow> I'm running the command-  MACHINE={{#lowercase:qemux86}} bitbake -k luneos-dev-emulator-appliance
Oct 06 16:55:37 <ComputerElbow> I receive this error-  Error: Unable to parse /home/USER/LuneOS/webos-ports-env/webos-ports/bitbake/lib/bb/data_smart.py
Oct 06 16:56:29 <nizovn> correct command is:  MACHINE=qemux86 bitbake -k luneos-dev-emulator-appliance
Oct 06 16:56:44 <nizovn> sorry for that, we still have problems with wiki
Oct 06 16:57:52 <Herrie> ComputerElbom: After our MediaWiki upgrade we lost an extension that does that properly. Our server people are looking into it
Oct 06 16:58:01 <Herrie> nizovn's command is correct, that works for me too
Oct 06 16:58:13 <ComputerElbow> working!
Oct 06 16:58:37 <ComputerElbow> ...should have checked with you all before rebuilding my VM a few times
Oct 06 16:59:38 <ComputerElbow> thank you very much for the quick response
Oct 06 17:01:38 <Herrie> ComputerElbow: We also have ready made images ;)
Oct 06 17:01:45 <Herrie> What you're looking to do? Just curious :)
Oct 06 17:02:31 <ComputerElbow> apparently I'm looking to make things more difficult for myself
Oct 06 17:03:07 <Herrie> Latest "nightly" image always at http://build.webos-ports.org/luneos-testing/images/qemux86/luneos-dev-emulator-qemux86.zip for VirtualBox :)
Oct 06 17:03:09 <ComputerElbow> in addition to that, I'm wanting to look at LuneOS as a possible OS to put on a tablet to use as a smarthome controller
Oct 06 17:04:01 <ComputerElbow> Galaxy Tab 3 to be even more specific
Oct 06 17:09:06 <ComputerElbow> Do you all know of others who have used LuneOS for similar type activities?
Oct 06 17:17:36 <Herrie> ComputerElbow: We have Chromium 45 on board through QtWebEngine & can run Qt C++/QML apps ;)
Oct 06 17:17:58 <Herrie> I know legacy webOS had some apps in EnyoJS framework for this purpose
Oct 06 17:18:10 <Herrie> Let me see if I can find something about this
Oct 06 17:19:24 <Herrie> But things like AngularJS would run fine too
Oct 06 17:19:32 <Herrie> Since the browser stack is pretty modern
Oct 06 17:19:52 <Herrie> We might upgrade to Qt 5.7 at some point in the future, but it doesn't have the highest priority
Oct 06 17:24:05 <Herrie> Qt 5.7 will bring Chromium 49
Oct 06 17:24:22 <Herrie> What protocols you're planning to use?
Oct 06 17:25:06 <ComputerElbow> I'm still researching.  I'm starting with very limited knowledge and have a long way to go.  I currently don't know enough to answer your question.
Oct 06 17:26:15 <ComputerElbow> if you have any advice on which direction or protocols that would better help me achieve my goal, I'd be more than happy to take your advice :)
Oct 06 17:32:08 <DougReeder>  ComputerElbow, you can probably develop your front-end using Chrome.
Oct 06 17:33:15 <Herrie|TP> You want to control existing smarthome devices or ...? without more details it's difficult to say something useful ;-)
Oct 06 17:34:55 <Herrie|TP> There are some frameworks out there like AllJoyn/AllSeen that are being used by big players. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AllJoyn
Oct 06 17:34:59 <ComputerElbow> I've got a multitude of smarthome devices that I want a better interface for- lights, A/C unit, garage door, locks
Oct 06 17:35:58 <DougReeder> You’ll probably need at least two software layers: UI in the browser, and a middle layer that the browser talks to, and translatess that into the low-level protocols that the devices talk to.
Oct 06 17:38:27 <Herrie|TP> You've looked into existing solutions like https://www.simplecontrol.com/check-compatibility/ ? Would be silly to reinvent the wheel ;-)
Oct 06 17:42:06 <DougReeder> If there are packages for Node.js, that speak the low leveo protocol, the middle layer should be quite straighforward.
Oct 06 17:43:11 <Herrie|TP> I think it should be straight forward to get AllJoyn in our builds. I see it was included in the past ;-)
Oct 06 17:43:59 <Herrie|TP> Andolamin: ^ Might know a thing or two since he works @ LG SVL on Enyo, webOS and other cool stuff :-)
Oct 06 17:48:41 <Herrie> JaMa: Thnx
Oct 06 17:51:34 <ComputerElbow> I actually haven't looked into existing solutions.  I'll be checking out the simplecontrol link above.  Thank you everyone for giving me options to consider and more than one potential starting point.
Oct 06 17:52:00 <DougReeder> Mozilla has pivoted from running Firefox OS on phones to IoT.
Oct 06 17:52:20 <ComputerElbow> Yesterday, I saw a build someone did with WebOS for their smarthome so I googled WebOS and found that it wasn't a thing anymore.  I then found LuneOS and here I am.
Oct 06 17:52:31 <DougReeder> You’ll probably want to stay current on their initiaives.
Oct 06 17:55:46 <DougReeder> In particular, FlyWeb: https://wiki.mozilla.org/FlyWeb
Oct 06 17:58:33 <DougReeder> So, Mozilla is working to eliminate the middle layer, but the APIs aren’t in place yet.
Oct 06 17:59:58 <DougReeder> If any of your devices have Bluetooth LE, that open up other passibilities.
Oct 06 18:05:08 <Herrie> Mozilla is cutting drastically in many things though. I wouldn't bet too much on them
Oct 06 18:05:24 <Herrie> Firefox OS for IoT is very uncertain at this point even.
Oct 06 18:05:34 <DougReeder> [nods] Definitely.
Oct 06 18:05:53 <Herrie> THey're in the process to handing stuff to the community, but they don't have anything really working it seems including builds etc.
Oct 06 18:06:06 <DougReeder> But they have a name, to draw in the open-source community.
Oct 06 18:07:33 <Herrie> Yeah
Oct 06 18:07:47 <Herrie> But what I've seen in their mailing list a couple of weeks back didn't look very promising
Oct 06 18:07:50 <Herrie> But let's see
Oct 06 18:09:19 <Andolamin> Herrie, ComputerElbow: No personal experience with AllJoyn. Safest bet for building something out for that is to start with a Node.js service that you could distribute through a Preware feed
Oct 06 18:10:26 <Andolamin> Would give you an easy way to develop it and test it on existing LuneOS tablets before deciding to fully integrate it into a build
Oct 06 18:15:28 <ComputerElbow> I'm looking at simplecontrol now.  All of my devices are listed...going to explore this avenue further.
Oct 06 18:28:28 <Herrie> ComputerElbow: Yeah that will save a lot of work ;)
Oct 06 18:28:40 <Herrie> Getting a whole OS running on the Tab 3 is quite some work
Oct 06 18:31:16 <ComputerElbow> my initial idea was to find a ROM for the Tab 3 that already had the functionality I'm looking for
Oct 06 18:33:02 <ComputerElbow> I'm needing a central app for device control, which I believe simplecontrol will work for, but I'm also wanting the home screen to be modified to display items like weather, traffic data, calendar items, etc.
Oct 06 18:33:36 <ComputerElbow> useful information that I can get at a glance before I leave for work in the mornings
Oct 06 18:43:28 <Herrie> For that you could write an app I guess ;)
Oct 06 18:44:10 <ComputerElbow> I guess I could, but I'm really not wanting to put forth the hours :)
Oct 06 18:44:45 <ComputerElbow> I work in IT and the last thing I want to do when I get home is to start developing an app...similar to the car mechanic with the broken down car in the driveway
Oct 06 19:17:06 <Tofe> Herrie, nizovn, anyone interested: https://github.com/webOS-ports/luna-next-cardshell/pull/291 <-- can you give a feedback on the feeling ?
Oct 06 19:19:04 <Tofe> Also I implemented card swiping by dragging the card very low, like on legacy
Oct 06 19:19:28 <Tofe> I don't think it's very used, but it's fun
Oct 06 19:23:29 <Herrie> Tofe: WIll give it a go
Oct 06 19:23:43 <Herrie> Do you mean where you swipe it to the bottom and it will shoot up & close card?
Oct 06 19:25:26 <Tofe> yes
Oct 06 19:27:57 <Tofe> It could be it's too sensitive to the flicking now; at least on N4. Maybe it's device-dependent, as it is given in px/s
Oct 06 19:54:44 <nizovn> Tofe: feels a lot faster
Oct 06 19:55:40 <nizovn> but if i rotate ui, the opened card's y position gets wrong
Oct 06 20:00:14 <Herrie> Tofe: Yeah Y behaves funny after rotation
Oct 06 20:00:28 <Herrie> It's a bit too quick going up, I guess we need the magic 300 value instead of 100 ;)
Oct 06 20:01:23 <Herrie> https://github.com/webOS-ports/luna-sysmgr/blob/webOS-ports/master/conf/lunaAnimations.conf#L35
Oct 06 20:01:31 <Herrie> And 400 for when it's coming frm the bottom
Oct 06 20:01:36 <Herrie> https://github.com/webOS-ports/luna-sysmgr/blob/webOS-ports/master/conf/lunaAnimations.conf#L37
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