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Jan 18 06:25:49 <Tofe> MOrning!
Jan 18 06:33:55 <Tofe> granpc: good question, I don't remember exactly. It's very possible that Qt can use either of the two APIs (createWindow or createNativeWindow) depending on which returns something.
Jan 18 08:34:29 <Herrie|Pre3> morning
Jan 18 16:30:55 <granpc> hmm
Jan 18 16:31:12 <granpc> so i tried starting up surfaceflinger on the android side of things
Jan 18 16:31:30 <granpc> and then fixing up test_sf and running it
Jan 18 16:31:36 <granpc> and it looks like that works just fine
Jan 18 16:31:47 <granpc> so I guess my next step would be to make a surfaceflinger EGL_PLATFORM?
Jan 18 16:32:00 <granpc> I'm sorta done trying to get hwcomposer to work, I have no idea what's wrong with it
Jan 18 16:56:28 <ka6sox> Tofe, do you use Qt-Creator?
Jan 18 16:57:00 <Herrie|Pre3> ka6sox: Yeah we do
Jan 18 16:57:04 <Herrie|Pre3> Why?
Jan 18 16:57:48 <ka6sox> Herrie|Pre3, another project asked me about this and I said I would ask.
Jan 18 16:58:49 <ka6sox> Herrie|Pre3, for the time being we will be *adding* a new builder not converting the existing.
Jan 18 16:58:55 <ka6sox> so we can test.
Jan 18 16:59:15 <ka6sox> so for your builds continue using the existing.
Jan 18 17:00:22 <Herrie|Pre3> ka6sox: Tofe is the expert on Qt-Creator here though, but I've played with it too.
Jan 18 17:03:05 <Herrie|Pre3> ka6sox: OK that's good for the builder.
Jan 18 17:35:39 <Tofe> ka6sox: I use Qt-Creator for all our QML projects
Jan 18 17:36:09 <Tofe> Though I never use the "Designer" part, because our UIs are mostly built dynamically
Jan 18 17:38:30 <Tofe> Herrie: I managed to get a last_kmsg; looks like it boots fine, but isn't in the mood to continue onto the initrd image somehow
Jan 18 17:40:51 <granpc> you sure it's not hanging on waiting for some filesystems to appear?
Jan 18 17:41:00 <granpc> that happened to mine a while back when my data partition path was wrong
Jan 18 17:41:28 <Tofe> granpc: I'm checking that sort of thing too, yes
Jan 18 17:41:45 <granpc> to test mine out I added a manual call to adbd on the initrd script
Jan 18 17:41:56 <granpc> then I could shell in and see if everything looked alright
Jan 18 17:42:25 <granpc> I think I also made it log everything to a file somewhere in /dev (since it doesn't get destroyed when it switches over to the other rootfs)
Jan 18 17:43:31 <Tofe> I might have spotted the issue; let me rebuild the fastboot image and test
Jan 18 17:46:02 <Tofe> well, it changed things ! I now have a bootloop :)
Jan 18 17:49:34 <Tofe> "Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! exitcode=0x00000100"
Jan 18 17:53:31 <granpc> holy shit
Jan 18 17:53:43 <granpc> so i made a really crappy initial vresion of my surfaceflinger EGL_PLATFORM
Jan 18 17:53:47 <granpc> test_hwcomposer runs stupidly fast now
Jan 18 17:53:58 <granpc> i gotta try luna-next on this thing
Jan 18 17:55:53 <Tofe> :)
Jan 18 18:07:05 <ka6sox> Tofe, thanks!
Jan 18 18:15:26 <granpc> Tofe: so the gesture area on bottom isn't appearing
Jan 18 18:15:47 <granpc> pretty sure I enabled it but I don't remember anymore really
Jan 18 18:16:02 <granpc> where's the config file for that again?
Jan 18 18:18:22 <Tofe> wait a little bit
Jan 18 18:18:46 <Tofe> granpc: on the device?
Jan 18 18:18:48 <granpc> yeah
Jan 18 18:18:57 <Tofe> it's in /etc/palm, iirc
Jan 18 18:19:04 <Tofe> grep for TabletUi
Jan 18 18:19:13 <Tofe> should be a luna-something
Jan 18 18:19:20 <granpc> hmm
Jan 18 18:19:23 <granpc> VirtualCoreNaviEnabled=true
Jan 18 18:19:28 <nizovn> i think we have it enabled by default
Jan 18 18:19:38 <nizovn> you can disable it in tweaks app
Jan 18 18:23:00 <granpc> "show virtual gseture area" is enabled
Jan 18 18:23:53 <nizovn> then probably there is some bug, maybe it's listed in journalctl
Jan 18 18:24:26 <nizovn> you you  in firstuse mode
Jan 18 18:24:34 <nizovn> s/you/or
Jan 18 18:24:36 <granpc> ohh I might be
Jan 18 18:24:45 <granpc> I've seen the first use app open up and instaclose a few times
Jan 18 18:24:52 <granpc> Jan 08 03:23:20 h560 luna-next[4416]: DEBUG: 03:23:20.134: boot state changed to: firstuse
Jan 18 18:26:15 <nizovn> do you want to debug it, or just skip?
Jan 18 18:27:20 <granpc> would be cool to figure it out
Jan 18 18:27:29 <granpc> how do I run the firstuse app on terminal?
Jan 18 18:27:42 <granpc> I tried luna-send but that doesn't give me stdout/stderr
Jan 18 18:28:38 <DougReederPhone> Herrie, thanks for the info on defunct im networks; I'll update the PR tonight.
Jan 18 18:29:14 <nizovn>  /usr/sbin/luna-qml-launcher /usr/palm/applications/org.webosports.app.firstuse/appinfo.json
Jan 18 18:29:52 <nizovn> maybe also export XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=/tmp/luna-session
Jan 18 18:29:56 <DougReederPhone> I'm dismayed by the number of IM networks and protocols; why do people keep building new ones without real innovation?
Jan 18 18:30:07 <granpc> thanks, that worked!
Jan 18 18:30:22 <granpc> segfault, hm
Jan 18 18:32:41 <granpc> eh, I think I know what this is
Jan 18 18:32:46 <granpc> how can I skip firstuse for now nizovn?
Jan 18 18:33:38 <nizovn>  touch /var/luna/preferences/ran-first-use
Jan 18 18:35:01 <granpc> wow, this is great
Jan 18 18:36:28 <granpc> some rendering glitches (due to my terrible, terrible surfaceflinger hackery)
Jan 18 18:36:32 <granpc> but like, it works
Jan 18 18:36:40 <nizovn> good :)
Jan 18 18:58:34 <Herire> You can also just do luna-send -n 1 luna:/com.palm.applicationManager/launch '{"id":"org.webosports.app.firstuse"}'
Jan 18 19:03:55 <Herire> DougReederPhone: So am I LOL
Jan 18 19:08:53 <DougReederPhone> So, does Google Talk still work over XMPP?
Jan 18 19:09:12 <Herire> Not sure
Jan 18 19:09:20 <Herire> EricBlade might be best to answer that
Jan 18 19:13:25 <DougReederPhone> Eh, I guess it's so neglected by Google that we shouldn't put any effort into it.
Jan 18 19:14:05 <Herire> Well Google cannot make their mind up with regards to IM :S
Jan 18 19:14:13 <Herire> Allo, Talk, Voice etc
Jan 18 19:14:40 <DougReederPhone> Let's do the straightforward stuff first.
Jan 18 19:14:49 <Herire> Yup
Jan 18 19:14:56 <Herire> Getting stuff working is important
Jan 18 19:15:04 <Herire> Adding plugins is relatively straight forward
Jan 18 19:19:38 <DougReederPhone> After we have libpurple fully operational, I'd suggest looking at the open-source code for Signal (if the libpurple people aren't already)
Jan 18 19:21:54 <DougReederPhone> It's from OpenWhisper, so it should implement the protocol properly
Jan 18 19:27:10 <Herrie|2> There is already something called pidgin-otr: https://otr.cypherpunks.ca/README-pidgin-otr-4.0.0.txt
Jan 18 19:27:28 <Herrie|2> Just not sure if/how that would work with our imlibpurpleservice etc
Jan 18 19:27:33 <Herrie|2> So we'd need to check that at some point
Jan 18 19:29:43 <DougReederPhone> That page sounds is not clear about interation with underlying networks.
Jan 18 19:59:10 <Herrie|2> DougReederPhone: Yeah I'm also not sure
Jan 18 20:02:02 <DougReederPhone> Has anyone looked at Telepathy (https://telepathy.freedesktop.org/about/)? It works over dbus and provides many things we want.
Jan 18 20:02:46 <granpc> I think that's what they're gonna use on ubuntu touch
Jan 18 20:02:56 <granpc> for their unified messaging stuff
Jan 18 20:03:01 <granpc> so you could benefit from their work at some point
Jan 18 20:07:43 <Herrie|2> granpc: We have our own stack using libpurple/pidgin + plugins
Jan 18 20:07:57 <Herrie|2> Telepathy has a lot of other things we don't really want/need AFAIK
Jan 18 20:08:15 <Herrie|2> We did have some discussion about it at some point in the past, sure it can be found in the logs
Jan 18 20:08:36 <Herrie|2> We have a pretty much working libpurple/pidgin stack, so that's easier to start from then telepathy from scratch
Jan 18 20:08:54 <Herrie|2> We're closer for SFOS/Jolla in that regard when it comes to telephony + networking stack
Jan 18 20:09:29 <Herrie|2> We're using VoiceCall from SFOS for example for our phone calls
Jan 18 20:10:13 <DougReederPhone> Okay, it does seem to be a middleman.
Jan 18 20:11:33 <Herrie|2> We're using ConnMan, oFono etc where Ubuntu is using other bits AFAIK
Jan 18 20:14:06 <GodGinrai> Herrie|2: closer *to* SFOS, you mean?
Jan 18 20:15:08 <Herrie|2> GodGinrai: Yeah, need more sleep LOL
Jan 18 20:15:12 <GodGinrai> np
Jan 18 20:15:14 <GodGinrai> :)
Jan 18 20:15:19 <Herrie|2> Little one is having fits about sleeping in his own bed LOL
Jan 18 20:15:32 <Herrie|2> Which means regular tantrums of shouting at night LOL
Jan 18 20:16:02 <GodGinrai> I don't think there's a parent who doesn't experience that
Jan 18 20:16:04 <GodGinrai> ;)
Jan 18 20:16:21 <Herrie|2> Well this was a bit extreme last couple of nights LOL
Jan 18 20:16:23 <Herrie|2> But well
Jan 18 20:17:14 <GodGinrai> I'm not saying "suck it up", but "welcome to parenthood" :P
Jan 18 20:19:59 <Herrie|2> Yeah LOL, he's almost 2,5 so we had most of this fun stuff I guess
Jan 18 20:20:07 <Herrie|2> Well next one due end of April so it starts again LOL
Jan 18 20:22:25 <GodGinrai> oh wow
Jan 18 20:22:46 <GodGinrai> the merry-go-round continues
Jan 18 20:22:48 <GodGinrai> ;)
Jan 18 20:24:50 <DougReederPhone> For us it's more "not wanting to go to bed at all" :-(
Jan 18 20:26:14 <Tofe> Herrie|2: oh, just when you began getting some sleep again ;)
Jan 18 20:29:48 <Herrie|2> DougReederPhone: Yeah we have that too :P
Jan 18 20:29:59 <Herrie|2> 10-11PM and Mrs is passed out already LOL :P
Jan 18 20:30:02 <Herrie|2> Little one still not
Jan 18 20:30:24 <Herrie|2> At least he sleeps till 6:30-7:30 nowadays when he sleeps, so that's better :P
Jan 18 20:30:29 <Herrie|2> COmpared to 4:30-5:00 :P
Jan 18 20:32:40 <GodGinrai> Tofe: his child is helping him out.  Decided to start up the crying again so that he can get back on schedule before the next one comes along
Jan 18 20:36:49 <Herrie|2> Yeah LOL
Jan 18 20:46:49 <Tofe> :D
Jan 18 23:06:37 <EricBlade> re: Google XMPP. Apparently it works, for now.  It's not 100% clear to me if they are going to kill the entire XMPP system in October, or if they are just killing the AppEngine API to it.
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