**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 23 03:00:04 2017 Mar 23 08:09:50 Morning! Mar 23 14:22:23 HaDAk: did you see the little video I posted earlier? https://www.dropbox.com/s/tgxdh6ewy3f8cx5/luneos-camera-usage.mkv?dl=0 Mar 23 14:22:53 Tofe: yeah, i caught that. Mar 23 14:23:04 we could certainly go that route Mar 23 14:23:12 if we do, i'd still like a better layout Mar 23 14:23:40 but i think it might be better to go the route i suggested, and expand upon that idea even. (settings should be hidden until a gear icon is tapped) Mar 23 14:23:47 de-cluttering is super important Mar 23 14:23:48 yes, I just wondered if it invalidated having a set of folding/unfolding options on the border of the screen or not Mar 23 14:24:10 if we went to a new page view, then yes. Mar 23 14:24:20 but it's still too much on the screen all at once, imo Mar 23 14:24:37 when you're taking a picture, sometimes you want it to happen FAST and you need to change a setting quickly Mar 23 14:24:54 unless you're intimately familiar with all the settings on that page, it could be overwhelming to find what you're looking for quickly. Mar 23 14:25:45 I agree; but also, I'd like to reduce the need to click on a very precise region (thus the swipe instead of clicking a "settings" button) Mar 23 14:30:49 maybe it's just a matter of how to present the categories and the unfolding of them Mar 23 14:34:06 What about circular menus & co ? Mar 23 14:40:27 i'd need to see a mockup Mar 23 14:40:53 a swiping motion might work, but it would need to be fleshed out. Mar 23 14:40:56 my first thought: Mar 23 14:41:21 have the current settings displayed (lightly) on the screen. maybe like the label that would be on the button. Mar 23 14:41:48 a swipe to the side would cause the button background to appear behind that label, allowing you to change the option Mar 23 14:43:37 mmh I'll see what I can mockup Mar 23 14:47:28 HaDAk: for the circular menu, I was thinking of something about like this http://abload.de/img/800px-cse_radial_menujfpgw.png Mar 23 14:47:48 i like that idea, on one condition Mar 23 14:47:53 you bear in mind that i'm a lefty. Mar 23 14:48:04 :) Mar 23 14:48:06 and if you have your whole menu tilt to the left like that, i'll cut you in the face Mar 23 14:48:10 >_< Mar 23 14:48:34 the radial menu might work well Mar 23 14:48:38 but i can see some issues with it. Mar 23 14:48:51 I can easily imagine there are pitfalls yes Mar 23 14:49:13 does the center pop up where your finger touches the screen? if so, will some options be displayed off screen if you touch too closely to the edge of the screen? Mar 23 14:49:30 what if there are too many options? how do you handle more than a half dozen or so options? Mar 23 14:49:34 what about smaller screens? Mar 23 14:50:28 HaDAk: my initial idea was that you still swipe to the left to access preferences, but then we show the settings centered, in a (semi?) circular manner Mar 23 14:52:03 that would certainly LOOK better, but it does break the design conventions Mar 23 14:52:20 what about sliding your thumb in from the side to get a half circle? Mar 23 14:52:41 then you just lift your thumb up on the setting you'd like to change Mar 23 14:52:49 that might be a good compromise Mar 23 14:53:10 a bit like the Ubuntu shortcuts on their main screen? Mar 23 14:53:49 example? Mar 23 14:54:18 I'm looking for it :p Mar 23 14:55:06 https://youtu.be/k6x7LqU330Q?t=12 Mar 23 14:55:55 (I think it's also possible to keep the touch pressed until the wanted button is reached, iirc) Mar 23 14:56:33 kinda like that, yeah Mar 23 14:56:52 ok; I'll mockup something in QML, and we'll see how that looks like Mar 23 14:57:16 https://i2.wp.com/www.gottabemobile.com/wp-content/uploads/How-to-Customize-Active-Display-on-Moto-X-2014-5.jpg Mar 23 14:58:03 ah! I was looking for something like that. i'd prefer it on the side, though. Mar 23 14:58:13 note the orientation of the ? Mar 23 14:58:18 that image is just sideways Mar 23 14:58:29 https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/euf/assets/images/faqs/x-images/camera/x-settings.png Mar 23 14:58:31 ok yes Mar 23 14:58:51 the benefit of having a menu like that would be that you can spin it Mar 23 14:58:55 which seems ideal Mar 23 14:59:03 spin it like a wheel to find the setting you're looking for Mar 23 14:59:12 https://i2.wp.com/www.gottabemobile.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/MotoX-HDR.png Mar 23 14:59:41 I like that, yes Mar 23 15:00:24 And there are some little challenges in QML too :p Mar 23 15:00:43 yeah Mar 23 15:00:50 Now I'll need to find some icon repository Mar 23 15:00:56 you know i'm a photographer, right? Mar 23 15:01:01 :D Mar 23 15:01:04 https://hanskokx.photography Mar 23 15:01:24 so if you have ANY doubts, questions, concerns, whatever about the camera app... i'm your guy. Mar 23 15:01:39 yup, I won't hesitate thanks :) Mar 23 15:01:40 i have a mind for UI/UX, i do QA at work, and i'm a photographer in my spare time. Mar 23 15:03:12 :) kind of the ideal person for these questions Mar 23 15:03:44 that's my point **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Mar 24 03:00:00 2017