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Aug 15 07:22:17 <Herrie|Pre3> Morning
Aug 15 07:43:12 <Tofe> Morning!
Aug 15 08:01:05 <Tofe> Herrie|Pre3: I've played a bit with ubuntu-ui-toolkit, and I'm now able to start some Ubuntu Touch apps on my PC, using Qt 5.9
Aug 15 08:03:21 <Tofe> However their styling capabilities is far too complex, imho. They have a lot of dependencies on Qt's internal APIs...
Aug 15 08:04:09 <Herrie|Pre3> Tofe: Ooh nice! I should have some LuneOS Components ipk for you tonight... Took a bit longer because I was busy with 5.9 stuff
Aug 15 08:04:17 <Herrie|Pre3> Any apps in specific?
Aug 15 08:04:59 <Herrie|Pre3> ubuntu-ui-toolkit is open source now? I remember in the past some custom QML stuff wasn't open sourced (like Lipstick for Jolla/SFOS)?
Aug 15 08:05:06 <Tofe> I just tried two, so far. Mastermind and AnimeNews.
Aug 15 08:05:16 <Tofe> ubuntu-ui-toolkit is LGPL-3.0
Aug 15 08:06:31 <Tofe> but it's not straightforward to try an app, because I have to make it point to my own build of the toolkit, so I've just tried little qml apps so far
Aug 15 08:07:28 <Tofe> Ideally, I'd like to take a "click" app and convert it to ipk
Aug 15 08:14:28 <Herrie|Pre3> Tofe: That would be nice
Aug 15 08:14:56 <Herrie|Pre3> 5.9 upgrade is a bit challenging due to gyp->gn migration
Aug 15 08:15:13 <Herrie|Pre3> The patches itself I updated for webengine, now need to do chromium still
Aug 15 08:15:22 <Tofe> For SFOS, their components are only partially opensource (only the QML part), the rest is closed. so it's not possible to rebuild it for LuneOS. However, I think they use much less tricks than UbuntuTouch, so a simple wrapper might work.
Aug 15 08:16:51 <Herrie|Pre3> Probably.
Aug 15 08:18:52 <Herrie|Pre3> So will do all the patch updates first and then try to tackle the gn bits
Aug 15 08:19:17 <Herrie|Pre3> Shouldn't be rocket science just need to figure out where to move the required bits.
Aug 15 08:20:43 <Tofe> ok... good luck :)
Aug 15 08:28:38 <Herrie|Pre3> Tofe: When you're back from your trip :P ?
Aug 15 08:30:28 <Tofe> Herrie|Pre3: not yet, one more week!
Aug 15 08:31:50 <Herrie|Pre3> :)
Aug 15 08:32:06 <Herrie|Pre3> I'll be gone for 2 weeks in mid Sept :)
Aug 15 08:35:06 <Tofe> :)
Aug 15 09:56:16 <saidinesh5> Tofe: out of curiousity, what are you working on? Some uniform api to wrap all these QML components?
Aug 15 09:56:55 <Tofe> saidinesh5: no, that was already begun with another initiative, whose name I can't remember
Aug 15 09:57:09 <saidinesh5> yeah, i remember seeing one too..
Aug 15 09:57:31 <Tofe> I just wanted to see if I could easily have the ubuntu touch apps running on LuneOS, without too much effort
Aug 15 09:57:36 <saidinesh5> Ahhh
Aug 15 09:57:58 <Tofe> the difficult point was Qt 5.8, again :)
Aug 15 09:58:40 <Tofe> (ubuntu guys have the same issue, ironically http://ubuntu-discuss.cattt.com/2017/07/re-status-of-ubuntu-touch-packages_7.html )
Aug 15 09:59:35 <saidinesh5> Ahh .. didn't know they had to patch it so much...
Aug 15 10:00:01 <Tofe> With the sacrifice of some components, and upgrading the code a little bit, I got it to run https://github.com/Tofee/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/commit/696f222107e9835d4e19d5dd76860db1f647a8ee
Aug 15 10:00:57 <saidinesh5> even the bits like swipe gestures ?
Aug 15 10:01:03 <Tofe> saidinesh5: well, they have a bad habit of using too much the internal Qt APIs, and here it backfired
Aug 15 10:01:24 <Tofe> saidinesh5: I think so, though I didn't test it on device
Aug 15 10:01:29 <saidinesh5> Ahh and how tightly are they tied to Mir?
Aug 15 10:01:48 <Tofe> saidinesh5: not much hopefully, just to Qt for this code
Aug 15 10:01:56 <saidinesh5> I see
Aug 15 10:02:31 <saidinesh5> also out of curiosity, what's the way to port Lune OS to a new device? get halium up and running and simply install the rootfs? or is there an easier way?
Aug 15 10:03:21 <Tofe> saidinesh5: that's what we'll recommend yes, but we didn't really integrate Halium yet
Aug 15 10:03:58 <saidinesh5> Ah.. I see
Aug 15 10:05:52 <Tofe> saidinesh5: I used Halium for the Touchpad upgrade recently, and got it working, but it was a device not yet supported by Halium, so it's not very representative of the effort needed for another deivce like N5X or so
Aug 15 10:07:13 * saidinesh5 looks at halium's documentation
Aug 15 10:09:59 <Tofe> saidinesh5: roughly, for Halium, we still need to patch init.rc a little bit (maybe not anymore, I have to verify that part) and to adapt a bit how we handle the ramdisk image. Maybe some little bits about the exact hybris version to use, and/or libcompat usage.
Aug 15 10:10:52 <saidinesh5> the ramdisk image? i thought that only has basic telnet + little script to actually start the systemd right?
Aug 15 10:13:37 <Tofe> saidinesh5: the ramdisk image of halium, for android's init - doesn't do much, but it contains the init,c files and the name is slightly different from what our scripts expect currently
Aug 15 10:14:31 <saidinesh5> I see
Aug 15 10:14:53 <Tofe> saidinesh5: also I'd like to keep the build of the kernel as part of our build toolchain, instead of putting it into android's build toolchain
Aug 15 10:15:38 <Tofe> That shouldn't be a problem, but we might have some surprises with our gcc 6 compiler
Aug 15 10:15:54 <saidinesh5> gcc 5 is the one that broke compatibility right?
Aug 15 10:16:02 <Tofe> mostly yes
Aug 15 10:17:20 <Tofe> but it's just a couple of patches, we know how to solve that issue now
Aug 15 10:19:59 <saidinesh5> Ah I see
Aug 15 10:20:21 <saidinesh5> from the looks of it,halium is more or less similar to porting sfos sdk.. infact theyr'e using hybris boot etc..
Aug 15 10:20:31 <saidinesh5> so Will try start the port maybe this week/end
Aug 15 10:20:44 <saidinesh5> any preference on halium 7.1 or 5.1?
Aug 15 10:31:27 <Herrie|Pre3> saidinesh5: We don't have anything on 7.1 yet, but should be fine too. As long as libhybris is fine with 7.1 :P
Aug 15 10:32:02 <saidinesh5> I see.. will give it a shot then
Aug 15 10:33:26 <Tofe> saidinesh5: which device?
Aug 15 10:33:33 <Herrie|Pre3> Which device you're looking at?
Aug 15 10:33:42 <saidinesh5> Xiaomi Mi3/Mi4.. (cancro) .. msm8974,...
Aug 15 10:33:49 <saidinesh5> very close to Nexus 5 i think
Aug 15 10:34:25 <Herrie|Pre3> You should be fine with it.
Aug 15 10:34:37 <Herrie|Pre3> We have a hard kernel 3.4 requirement now
Aug 15 10:34:43 <Herrie|Pre3> So that's good to keep in mind.
Aug 15 10:34:48 <saidinesh5> I was supposed to get anbox up and running on it, but they say this device is about to get a kernel upgrade to 3.18 soon.. So waiting on that till then
Aug 15 10:34:50 <saidinesh5> Ahh
Aug 15 10:35:00 <saidinesh5> yeah this one has 3.4.. runs sailfish perfectly well as of now
Aug 15 10:35:07 <Herrie|Pre3> OK :)
Aug 15 10:35:23 <Herrie|Pre3> We need 3.4 for recent glibc and systemd in Yocto Pyro.
Aug 15 10:35:38 <Herrie|Pre3> 3.10+ for Anbox would be nice :)
Aug 15 10:36:36 <saidinesh5> Ahh..Yes. I think the newer systemd even requires a couple of patches to my 3.4 kernel..
Aug 15 10:36:57 <Tofe> saidinesh5: should be no big problems then; if you need to build the kernel using luneos's gcc, you can have a look at the latest commits in our mako/hammerhead kernels https://github.com/Tofee/android_kernel_lge_hammerhead/commits/hammerhead/3.4/cm-12.1
Aug 15 10:37:23 <Herrie|Pre3> Shouldn't be too hard to get it working on LuneOS, Anbox that is when you have a proper kernel
Aug 15 10:37:59 <saidinesh5> Yeah.. so far so many issues i have had with anbox was just kernel issues
Aug 15 10:37:59 <Herrie|Pre3> We'd like to have it too, but 3.4 seems to be close to be impossible to get Anbox working.
Aug 15 10:38:28 <Tofe> probably..
Aug 15 10:38:38 <saidinesh5> i think thereis a  3.10 kernel for Nexus 5 too right?
Aug 15 10:38:51 <saidinesh5> plus someone was even working ona  mainline kernel for nexus 5 btw.
Aug 15 10:38:57 <saidinesh5> maybe worth looking into ..
Aug 15 10:39:13 <bshah> if you are fine with just serial console... sure... :P
Aug 15 10:39:41 <bshah> <- this guy was looking at mainline kernel :P
Aug 15 10:39:48 <Tofe> bshah: hehe :)
Aug 15 10:40:40 <saidinesh5> bshah: heh there is also a mainline kernel for Nexus 7 flo.. so that's some place i can  look at
Aug 15 10:41:56 <Tofe> saidinesh5: mainline kernels are fine... as long as the rest comes along, i.e. graphics, sound etc. If it's just the mainboard code, the interest is limited for us
Aug 15 10:42:07 <saidinesh5> for Nexus 7, they do I think
Aug 15 10:42:45 <saidinesh5> https://wiki.linaro.org/LMG/Kernel/FormFactorEnablement
Aug 15 10:45:15 <Tofe> saidinesh5: that's a good initiative, but it's still maintained outside of mainline
Aug 15 10:46:11 <Tofe> still, it's good, let's be positive :)
Aug 15 10:46:12 <saidinesh5> Yep
Aug 15 10:46:33 <saidinesh5> i mean they can't really merge all the android specific bits that were rejected by the mainline right?
Aug 15 10:47:55 <Tofe> right; and there are dependencies to the android firmware, which must be a nightmare to maintain :)
Aug 15 10:49:45 <saidinesh5> Yep
Aug 15 18:08:45 <Herrie> JaMa: Were you able to find any clues for the VBox/Qemu issues?
Aug 15 18:59:23 <JaMa> Herrie: not yet, I wanted to test it in fresh build with latest master branches and there are too many failures all over the place due to switch to openss11
Aug 15 18:59:26 <JaMa> openssl11
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