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Apr 17 06:13:07 <Tofe> Morning!
Apr 17 07:54:15 <JaMa> morning!
Apr 17 08:14:14 <Herrie|Laptop> Morning!
Apr 17 08:28:14 <Tofe> Herrie|Laptop: I'm back from travel, so I'll be able to discuss a bit more how we can address this device status docmentation
Apr 17 08:28:37 <Herrie|Laptop> Tofe: Great :)
Apr 17 08:28:56 <Herrie|Laptop> I put some suggestions, you can find them in the logs ;)
Apr 17 08:29:07 <Herrie|Laptop> Not feeling that well today, some flu again it seems :S
Apr 17 08:30:31 <Tofe> So far, my thinking was: 1. it needs to be acessible enough so that other people (Preemptive, other enthousiast testers...) can edit and fill it, and 2. it should give a quick overview of the status, yet let people enter some details when there is a need
Apr 17 08:30:42 <Tofe> Oh, I hope I didn't give you mine :p
Apr 17 08:32:16 <Tofe> Yes, I can complete the current table with your comments
Apr 17 08:33:11 <Tofe> For a web page I would have put all the devices in the same page, but for a spreadsheet using different tabs seemed natural, to avoid too much scrolling
Apr 17 08:33:32 <Tofe> (also maybe there would be a way to have a "template" sheet somehow)
Apr 17 08:34:38 <Herrie|Laptop> Tofe: In Excel you can "Freeze Panes" so you can keep certain rows & columns fixed
Apr 17 08:34:43 <Herrie|Laptop> And only others scroll
Apr 17 08:34:54 <Herrie|Laptop> I.e. header row(s) and left column(s)
Apr 17 08:35:06 <Herrie|Laptop> I'm pretty sure Open/Libre would offer something similar
Apr 17 08:35:12 <Tofe> Probably yes
Apr 17 08:35:48 <Herrie|Laptop> Mainly solves the scrolling issue ;)
Apr 17 08:36:06 <Herrie|Laptop> For BT & WiFi we might want to add things like "discovery", connection, connection with pin etc
Apr 17 08:37:12 <Tofe> How would you let people enter comments, if I fix the header column and we have devices per column ?
Apr 17 08:37:28 <Herrie|Laptop> But we should start somewhere and can always expand
Apr 17 08:37:35 <Tofe> or just one comment column at the end ?
Apr 17 08:37:47 <Herrie|Laptop> I would go for 1 comment column
Apr 17 08:38:01 <Herrie|Laptop> Most issues shouldn't appear on many targets
Apr 17 08:38:10 <Herrie|Laptop> Or generic or one usually
Apr 17 08:38:16 <Tofe> yes, true
Apr 17 08:39:06 <Tofe> I'm still not satisfied with the "spreadsheet file" approach, but if people have to bear with a mediawiki table, I fear they'll just give up
Apr 17 08:39:20 <Tofe> (plus the login and edit rights, etc)
Apr 17 08:40:45 <Herrie|Laptop> We could do something in Google Docs for example
Apr 17 08:40:53 <Herrie|Laptop> But also rights issues
Apr 17 08:40:57 <Herrie|Laptop> Or in GitHub
Apr 17 08:41:46 <Herrie|Laptop> Something like Halium does: https://github.com/Halium/projectmanagement/issues/131
Apr 17 08:41:55 <Herrie|Laptop> But also not very good in terms of collaboration
Apr 17 08:42:03 <Herrie|Laptop> We need our issue tracker back maybe :P
Apr 17 08:42:08 <Herrie|Laptop> novaldex|away: ^
Apr 17 08:43:07 <Tofe> I didn't want to do the Google way by principle, but it might be a compromise too
Apr 17 08:46:47 <Tofe> In the end we just need a fairly static page, with combos and text field, with some data storage behind
Apr 17 08:49:03 <Tofe> A mediawiki form, maybe ?
Apr 17 08:50:00 <Herrie|Laptop> Let's have a look what kind of extensions there are
Apr 17 09:04:53 <Herrie|Laptop> Something like this could work, but still not very user friendly: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TableEdit
Apr 17 09:06:19 <Herrie|Laptop> This can also help: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/wikitableworks/fcidnbkcodoajhfbcaefikfemlggcpfp
Apr 17 09:09:57 <Tofe> Ah, yes, might be part of a solution
Apr 17 09:13:01 <Herrie|Laptop> Something like this could also help: http://discoursedb.org/w/index.php?title=Picture_IDs_are_perfectly_sensible&action=formedit
Apr 17 09:16:32 <Tofe> A custom page for edition ?
Apr 17 09:17:08 <Tofe> Yes, might work
Apr 17 12:53:28 <JaMa> Tofe: 5.12.3 was released today, I'll update meta-qt5 soon, lets see if it improves or break unstable builds
Apr 17 12:56:03 <JaMa> Tofe: where were you traveling? I got flu yesterday as well :/
Apr 17 12:56:32 <Tofe> Damn, I propagated flu all over Europe :/
Apr 17 12:56:55 <Tofe> I was just traveling in south France
Apr 17 12:57:15 <Tofe> JaMa: basically, the only remaining big issue is the black surface on qemu, right?
Apr 17 13:07:38 <JaMa> right, AFAIK
Apr 17 13:07:39 <nuclearkev> Get well soon, guys
Apr 17 13:42:21 <JaMa> fixes for rpi signature issues sent: https://github.com/agherzan/meta-raspberrypi/pull/412 https://github.com/webOS-ports/meta-webos-ports/pull/333 https://github.com/webOS-ports/meta-rpi-luneos/pull/7 will merge them when (and if the meta-raspberrypi one is merged)
Apr 17 13:42:47 <JaMa> ups, one is already merged  :)
Apr 17 13:43:20 <JaMa> doesn't hurt, just doesn't help much as long as userland is MACHINE_ARCH (all qt*)
Apr 17 13:46:00 <Tofe> oops, seemed harmless yet :)
Apr 17 13:46:02 <Tofe> yes*
Apr 17 13:50:57 <JaMa> don't merge this 2nd half of it yet :) https://github.com/webOS-ports/meta-webos-ports/pull/334
Apr 17 13:51:09 <JaMa> good that I was a sec too slow to push 2nd commit into it
Apr 17 13:52:35 <Tofe> Being able to "lock" a PR by the committer would be useful sometimes
Apr 17 13:53:47 <JaMa> SoPine64 .. :) too thin you said.. :)
Apr 17 13:55:18 <JaMa> but I understand that it might be more hackable platform than hammerhead-mainline or qemux86-64
Apr 17 14:20:44 <Tofe> JaMa: it's more fortuity than real decision :)
Apr 17 14:21:53 <Tofe> (and, maybe, I'm too curious too)
Apr 17 17:10:04 <Tofe> ok, let's try to tackle this black surface issue...
Apr 17 18:13:34 <Tofe> mmh wayland debug doesn't give anything useful...
Apr 17 18:14:16 <Tofe> JaMa: the black surfaces don't happen on hammerhead, right?
Apr 17 18:20:47 <JaMa> Tofe: IIRC Herrie was testing it on hammerhead and didn't
Apr 17 18:21:04 <JaMa> I was planing to test it as well and on tissot, but got side tracked to something else
Apr 17 18:21:07 <JaMa> still on my todo
Apr 17 18:21:22 <Tofe> ok
Apr 17 20:02:44 <Tofe> JaMa: luneos-dev-package-hammerhead--unstable-0-80.zip works very well
Apr 17 20:03:42 <Tofe> I've just remarked a little problem with the vkb's overlay touches, which probably is a little QML bug in the keyboard
Apr 17 20:04:35 <Tofe> s/touches/keys/
Apr 17 20:06:25 <Tofe> so it's specific to qemu... maybe to mesa's swrast
Apr 17 21:44:23 <JaMa> I've started the 5.12.3 upgrade in meta-qt5, I might have some image tomorrow if everything goes well, let me try it with that
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