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Feb 10 07:23:56 <Herrie> Morning!
Feb 10 07:25:17 <Tofe> Morning!
Feb 10 08:02:37 <Herrie> Tofe: Did you build succeed now?
Feb 10 08:05:10 <Tofe> Well it didn't finished before I went to bed :p
Feb 10 08:05:20 <Tofe> So I'll finish it today
Feb 10 10:41:08 <Tofe> Herrie: it's still building webruntime, but no issue so far
Feb 10 10:46:35 <HerrieTP> Tofe: Well it's build time should be similar to QtWebEngine I guess
Feb 10 12:52:25 <JaMa> morning
Feb 10 13:40:17 <codepoet> morning!
Feb 10 15:14:39 <JaMa> morning
Feb 10 15:15:17 <JaMa> https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/network-install-beta-test-your-help-required/ is really nice for some use-cases
Feb 10 15:18:01 <JaMa> pity that LGE doesn't even try (AFAIK) to be on the list of supported OSes here (nor our LuneOS rpi images in state good enough for this)
Feb 10 15:40:46 <Tofe> my webruntime build is still going on........ ( 95%)
Feb 10 17:33:59 <Tofe> Herrie: flashing now
Feb 10 17:47:27 <HerrieTP> Tofe: Nice
Feb 10 17:50:04 <HerrieTP> Tofe: Seems some of the luna-next issues we had before with WAM you also addressed with Waydroid so that saved me some patches
Feb 10 17:50:34 <Tofe> WebAppMgr[2223]: [] [pmlog] WAM WEBPROCESSENV_FILE_READ_FAIL {"PATH":"/etc/wam/com.webos.wam.json"} JSON parsing failed <-- is that expected ?...
Feb 10 17:50:52 <HerrieTP> Tofe: Not sure
Feb 10 17:51:03 <HerrieTP> It could be some settings file but I couldn't find it
Feb 10 17:51:06 <Tofe> let me see if I find it in the wam repo
Feb 10 17:51:11 <HerrieTP> Could be it's not shipped
Feb 10 17:51:14 <Tofe> ok, you already checked
Feb 10 17:51:16 <HerrieTP> For OSE
Feb 10 17:51:22 <HerrieTP> Well not in detail
Feb 10 17:51:27 <HerrieTP> Quickly I recall
Feb 10 17:51:40 <Tofe> I'll check also where it's used in the source
Feb 10 17:54:44 <Tofe> looks like it can be used to define a per-app trust level and also specify if we want one process per app
Feb 10 17:56:24 <Tofe> https://jira.automotivelinux.org/browse/SPEC-2838?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Aall-tabpanel they also have the issue there, so I guess we're fine for now
Feb 10 17:57:45 <HerrieTP> Yeah maybe something for advanced ACG
Feb 10 17:58:13 <HerrieTP> Doesn't seem critical for now
Feb 10 17:58:31 <HerrieTP> Issue mainly seems to be missing id in the LS2 call from what I can tell
Feb 10 17:58:42 <HerrieTP> If we add that we might be able to get a bit further
Feb 10 17:59:42 <Tofe> possibly, I'm still not sure about that, because it works well with our WAM
Feb 10 18:01:00 <HerrieTP> I checked ACG and didn't spot anything obvious
Feb 10 18:01:24 <HerrieTP> You might want to grep the LS2 for org.webosports.webappmgr
Feb 10 18:01:31 <HerrieTP> I didn't do that yet
Feb 10 18:01:42 <HerrieTP> And see if the same is there for WAM
Feb 10 18:07:01 <Tofe> luna-send -m "" -n 1 palm://com.palm.webappmanager/launchApp '{"appDesc" : "", "parameters": "", "processId": 1, "launchingAppId": "org.webosports.app.photos", "launchingProcId": ""}'
Feb 10 18:07:02 <Tofe> {"returnValue":false,"errorCode":-1,"errorText":"Denied method call \"launchApp\" for category \"/\""}
Feb 10 18:07:07 <Tofe> so it's the same error here
Feb 10 18:29:44 <Tofe> with the service name the error is gone, but it doesn't do anything
Feb 10 18:39:31 <Tofe> Something I'm not clear with: do we want to keep our com.palm.applicationManager, or do we switch to com.webos ?
Feb 10 18:40:06 <Tofe> because WAM is all about com.webos 
Feb 10 18:42:25 <Tofe> also there is /usr/sbin/bootd, acting as com.webos.bootManager (i.e. a bit duplicate of our org.webosports.bootmgr ?), which fails to communicate with com.palm.webappmanager
Feb 10 18:57:51 <Tofe> {     "errorCode": 1000,     "errorText": "Miss launch parameter(s)",     "returnValue": false } <-- I missed that one
Feb 10 19:10:28 <Tofe> We're missing "instanceId" in the launchApp parameters
Feb 10 19:19:06 <Tofe> ah, with an instanceId I get app cards !
Feb 10 19:30:08 <Tofe> Herrie: can I just push my little appmanager fix on your branch ?
Feb 10 19:34:01 <HerrieTP_> Tofe: Sure push it there please
Feb 10 19:34:18 <HerrieTP_> Yeah the bootd and our bootmgr are a bit duplicate
Feb 10 19:34:28 <HerrieTP_> We do some stuff in ours that bootd doesn't do
Feb 10 19:34:48 <HerrieTP_> Shouldn't be too hard to unify, just didn't get to it and C++
Feb 10 19:35:07 <Tofe> done
Feb 10 19:35:23 <HerrieTP_> Well I guess we should see what we want to do with applicationManager
Feb 10 19:35:59 <HerrieTP_> I think there are calls to com.palm in legacy apps
Feb 10 19:36:28 <HerrieTP_> codepoet: ^ Thoughts on this?
Feb 10 19:36:58 <codepoet> for application manager? yes there are
Feb 10 19:37:09 <HerrieTP_> We should in general determine a strategy with luna-sysmgr and sam from OSE
Feb 10 19:37:24 <HerrieTP_> SAM provides a lot less compared to luna-sysmgr
Feb 10 19:37:40 <codepoet> http://sdk.webosarchive.com/docs/docs.html#reference/services/application-manager.html
Feb 10 19:38:32 <codepoet> if we can support open and launch, those were the only two public methods
Feb 10 19:38:45 <codepoet> there's a bunch of other fun ones, but most enyo apps wouldn't have used
Feb 10 19:38:55 <HerrieTP_> So we might want to strip down luna-sysmgr/luna-appmanager more and take from SAM what's in SAM and keep luna-sysmgr for functionality not in SAM?
Feb 10 19:38:56 <codepoet> https://kylemaas.github.io/luna-sysmgr/com_palm_application_manager.htm
Feb 10 19:40:27 <codepoet> could work. i've played with addLaunchPoint listHandler* but I'd expect those things to break moving to a new platform. I'm not sure what all SAM offers, but as long as launch and open work the old way, we're in good shape for legacy support
Feb 10 19:46:05 <HerrieTP_> These are the API's on SAM side: https://github.com/webosose/sam/blob/master/files/sysbus/com.webos.sam.api.json
Feb 10 19:53:53 <HerrieTP_> Tofe: Cards launch but how they behave for the rest?
Feb 10 19:54:02 <HerrieTP_> Not at home still so will try later
Feb 10 19:57:35 <codepoet> looks like open is missing
Feb 10 19:58:51 <HerrieTP_> Well it might be in the code itself just not in the API file
Feb 10 19:58:58 <HerrieTP_> Need to check that later
Feb 10 19:59:16 <HerrieTP_> Anyway we cannot completely dump luna-sysmgr due to other missing bits in SAM
Feb 10 20:24:37 <Tofe> HerrieTP_: they behave ok-ish: justtype isn't integrated, cardless apps still show a card, and for usual apps we have a DPI issue
Feb 10 21:49:52 <HerrieTP> Tofe: Well that isn't a bad start I guess
Feb 10 21:50:01 <HerrieTP> We might need to tweak WAM a bit
Feb 10 21:50:33 <HerrieTP> I guess the concept of cardless might not exist anymore
Feb 10 21:50:42 <HerrieTP> DPI was expected I guess
Feb 10 22:02:09 <Tofe> HerrieTP: yes, it's not that bad :)
Feb 10 22:21:32 <Herrie> Tofe: Finally home and building luna-appmanager
Feb 10 22:24:47 <Herrie> OK getting similar here on qemux86
Feb 10 22:24:56 <Herrie> Also font needs hacking ;)
Feb 10 22:25:09 <Herrie> But these were things we were doing on QtWebEngine too, so not too surprising
Feb 10 22:30:20 <Herrie> Dashboards, banners don't work or incorrectly. App Menu doesn't work
Feb 10 22:30:27 <Herrie> Seems there's a few things to do there ;)
Feb 10 22:36:44 <Herrie> Seeing how many things we have patched in luna-webappmanager over the years, it's not surprising really
Feb 10 23:37:58 <Herrie> codepoet: FWIW: seems there's a schema for "open" in SAM: https://github.com/webosose/sam/blob/af986e600cba012d9ad67a50222174725fb242c3/files/schema/applicationManager.open.schema
Feb 10 23:44:18 <codepoet> cool
Feb 10 23:45:19 <Herrie> But for the rest I cannot find much references
Feb 10 23:45:45 <Herrie> I would need to see what it actually registers on the LS2 bus. Need to try with OSE image sometime I guess
Feb 10 23:47:23 <Herrie> I got an old OSE image here I guess I could try with
Feb 10 23:48:56 <Herrie> Nope not listed there
Feb 10 23:49:22 <Herrie> https://bpa.st/GYWA
Feb 10 23:49:40 <Herrie> This is june 2021 OSE image it seems
Feb 10 23:50:49 <Herrie> Don't do open and launch the same in general?
Feb 10 23:51:15 <Herrie> Ah no they don't
Feb 10 23:53:45 <Herrie> Tofe: For font I guess we'd need to tweak this: https://github.com/webosose/wam/blob/31924dad273542ba6a59bbd8a0258b08676fdd6e/src/core/web_page_base.cc#L442
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