**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 21 02:59:57 2022 Nov 21 18:11:35 Morning! Nov 21 18:29:13 Morning! Nov 21 21:08:22 So, looks like Fedex delivered my CPU to someone today -- but I don't know who... Nov 21 21:08:36 Deliveries a always such a delight Nov 21 21:08:40 are* Nov 22 07:05:49 morning Nov 22 07:08:28 Morning! Nov 22 07:11:20 Found your CPU? Nov 22 07:12:35 Not yet, but maybe they'll redeliver today, so I'm waiting a bit Nov 22 08:48:57 Morning! Nov 22 10:07:08 motherboard has arrived -- now I'm just waiting for the cpu Nov 22 10:11:58 Tofe: I thought that was "delivered" too? Nov 22 10:12:09 How about memory? Nov 22 10:12:33 I didn't order memory yet, in case a good deal appeared Nov 22 10:12:51 but I didn't see anything specific for me, so I'll just take what's there currently I think Nov 22 10:14:00 Yeah seems they don't do memory on Black Friday deals much Nov 22 10:15:19 There's "Patriot Memory Viper Elite II DDR4 3600 64Go " which sells for 220€ here, so that looks good Nov 22 10:16:40 ok, let's go for this one ^ Nov 22 10:49:09 Tofe: Should work I guess Nov 22 11:11:50 Tofe: Started to do the enhanced-acg migration here... So far tackles LS2, configurator, activitymanager, db8, filecache, nodejs-module-webos-sysbus. I guess SAM and WAM will be next. I'll try to see if I get something to boot at least and then take it from there. Nov 22 11:13:09 Building OSE from scratch here now, so might take a while to finish before I can continue with enhanced-acg Nov 22 11:18:08 tomorrow you might get kirkstone based OSE build Nov 22 11:28:16 cpu delivered ! Nov 22 13:08:09 JaMa: Nice :D Nov 22 15:08:04 JaMa: Anything interesting in the release besides Chromium 94? Nov 22 15:09:51 And Kirkstone ;) Nov 22 16:14:26 Damn, the motherboard doesn't boot Nov 22 16:14:45 looks like a CPU/DRAM issue somewhere Nov 22 16:52:39 my new DRAM arrives tomorrow, I'll try again with that, but if the status doesn't change I'll have to replace the MB Nov 22 16:52:57 pretty frustrating Nov 22 17:45:32 Tofe: That's a pity, with your old memory? Nov 22 17:45:37 Which PSU you have? Nov 22 17:46:17 with the old ram yes Nov 22 17:46:48 Herrie: it's a 300W, but I don't think it's the issue here; the CPU is just 65W, just like previously Nov 22 17:47:10 my guess is that the mobo needs a bios upgrade before it can handle a 5700X cpu Nov 22 17:49:00 What are the specs of the old RAM? Nov 22 17:49:25 it's ddr4 2133, 2x8Gb Nov 22 17:49:26 Any specific brand/model PSU? Nov 22 17:49:54 PSU is a BeQuiet 300W one Nov 22 17:50:27 2133 might be too slow simply Nov 22 17:50:34 Lowest I see is 2400 in QVL Nov 22 17:50:38 Well, new ram arrives tomorrow Nov 22 17:51:02 You might try with single bank in A2 memory slot Nov 22 17:51:13 Or both both in A2/B2 Nov 22 17:51:16 yes, they say to try A2/B2 first Nov 22 17:51:38 already tried with old ram, but no luck there Nov 22 17:51:52 even tried without any ram at all :p Nov 22 17:52:31 I'll try to spot what's my bios version in CMOS Nov 22 17:52:49 some reddit say it can be read on the chip Nov 22 17:53:03 Seems you might need to connect 3 cables from PSU + cooler at right connector Nov 22 17:53:08 Otherwise it might not start Nov 22 17:53:16 I recall I forgot a 3rd one sometime at my end Nov 22 17:53:39 20/24 pin, 8 pin + 4 pin Nov 22 17:54:23 And there should be post status leds? 4 of them? Nov 22 17:54:49 but I only have 2x4pins Nov 22 17:55:01 plus the 24pin of course Nov 22 17:55:23 for the status, CPU and DRAM are red Nov 22 17:56:01 let me find again the exact PSU model I have Nov 22 18:00:06 it's a "Be Quiet! BN140 BQ SU7-300W" Nov 22 18:00:57 Herrie: https://www.amazon.nl/System-BQ-SU7-300W-Computer-Supply/dp/B07BK8RLWS that one Nov 22 18:14:16 It's from 2020? Newer then mine if that's the case Nov 22 19:18:11 Herrie: oh, no, it's from 2016 Nov 22 19:18:21 Ah OK Nov 22 19:18:26 Well not too ancient really Nov 22 19:26:33 Tofe; Got UI with enhanced ACG it seems, still tons of things to address but it's a start Nov 22 19:35:05 I'll rebase all involved components as well while doing it so we should be close to OSE upstream and can think aboit reworking layers sometime soon-ish to overlay on top of OSE recipes and use patches only etc Nov 22 20:26:11 Herrie: ok, great work :) Nov 22 20:26:32 Unfortunately I'll not be very efficient these next few days :p Nov 23 07:33:26 Herrie: not much from my perspective and the release might be delayed for 1-2 weeks Nov 23 07:34:33 Tofe: what mobo do you have? Nov 23 07:35:16 some manufactures say which bios version you need in CPU QVL Nov 23 07:35:30 and some boards allow you to flash bios without any CPU in socket Nov 23 07:36:21 JaMa: it's a AsRock B550M Steel Legend, but it doesn't have the "bios flashback" as they call it Nov 23 07:36:28 and sometimes memory training takes very long time, did you leave it "running" long enough? Nov 23 07:37:49 P2.30 bios Nov 23 07:38:09 released in 2022/3/8 Nov 23 07:38:28 is what you need based on https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/B550M%20Steel%20Legend/index.asp#CPU Nov 23 07:38:49 I left for some minutes Nov 23 07:38:58 but I can leave it longer next time Nov 23 07:39:25 well, having a bios file is great, but it won't help much right now :) Nov 23 07:40:35 yeah :/ Nov 23 07:41:27 I was just checking how recent bios you need, some shops here provide bios reflash as a service (so that you don't need to find older cpu to reflash the bios) Nov 23 07:42:11 but that probably doesn't help in your case as well as you probably wasn't buying localy Nov 23 07:42:33 I bought on amazon, so nope Nov 23 07:43:18 right now I'm hesitating between buying and temporary older second hand cpu (and reselling it later), or just send back the mobo and buy another one with bios flash, like https://www.gigabyte.com/fr/Motherboard/B550M-DS3H-rev-1x/sp#sp Nov 23 07:44:43 s/and/a/ Nov 23 07:46:37 pity it doesn't support e.g. good old 3000G which could be very cheap Nov 23 07:46:58 I had a spare for flashing bios at some point :) Nov 23 07:47:28 yes, it looks like AM4 cpus aren't very cheap, even second hand Nov 23 07:48:22 I'll probably go for the refund of the asus mobo Nov 23 07:48:25 asrock* Nov 23 07:48:43 any luck with "some reddit say it can be read on the chip"? Nov 23 07:49:19 to at least partially confirm that it's due to bios version Nov 23 07:50:03 I didn't see anything on the motherboard, but I'll have to double check Nov 23 07:50:39 https://www.asrock.com/support/index.asp?cat=FindBIOS better than reddit Nov 23 08:07:35 Tofe: I would try the new RAM when it arrives, if that's a no-go then yes return MB Nov 23 08:07:40 Unlikely CPU is dead I would say Nov 23 08:07:49 Good old "analog speaker" doesn't give any feedback? Nov 23 08:15:34 nope, it's just the leds Nov 23 08:22:49 anyway, let's see with the new RAM Nov 23 08:23:07 at worst, I build back the old rig and wait a few days Nov 23 08:37:33 ok, ram is on the way, should be there in an hour or two Nov 23 08:56:48 Tofe: You're working from "home office" today? Nov 23 08:58:10 yes Nov 23 09:00:12 Nice :D Nov 23 09:00:20 SSD still says delivery today, but I doubt that really Nov 23 09:00:47 Would surprise me, but who knows ;) Nov 23 09:12:00 anyway I don't need to be there for this package, it fits in the mailbox Nov 23 09:19:40 Tofe: I put mine in a small box ;) Nov 23 09:19:49 So it's harder to loose vs enveloppe :P Nov 23 11:02:18 so, the new RAM is mounted Nov 23 11:02:25 but it doesn't seem to help :( Nov 23 11:02:53 I'll let it on a few minutes, in case it's doing memory training Nov 23 11:14:26 still nothing... bye bye mobo Nov 23 11:32:10 Tofe: That's a pity really. Weird they sell it with such old BIOS Nov 23 11:32:55 yes, quite frustrating Nov 23 11:37:18 you don't know which bios version was there, right? Nov 23 11:37:30 nope Nov 23 11:37:36 couldn't find any sticker Nov 23 11:38:16 have you tried to boot it without any ram and cpu to see if the post status shows the same red leds or gives any other feedback? Nov 23 11:38:39 I've only tried with the cpu on Nov 23 11:38:44 (and no ram) Nov 23 11:40:17 pity that they still don't provide better post codes Nov 23 11:41:07 even 10+y ago asus was adding small bracket with 4 leds and the combination said more precisely what the issue was Nov 23 11:41:54 I guess you can buy post analyzer to pcie or other slot, but that should IMHO be part of the board Nov 23 11:43:15 Tofe: You don't have a local PC shop around the corner you could walk in to update the bios? Nov 23 11:43:42 Herrie: not that I can think of Nov 23 11:44:55 I got one for PCI and ISA, for PCIE and LPC ports it doesn't seem very well standartized and luckily my board has small display which shows post status, so I haven't used analyzer yet Nov 23 11:47:02 there might be one, actually Nov 23 11:48:01 Tofe: I found a via Google Maps Nov 23 11:48:11 www.belletechone.com Nov 23 11:48:19 https://www.sos-pckc.com/ Nov 23 11:48:23 http://www.audeladupc.fr/ Nov 23 11:48:47 Manus Vladimir (no site): 122 Bd de Belleville, 75020 Paris, Frankrijk Nov 23 11:48:54 Should be within biking distance Nov 23 11:50:18 Might be quicker vs return + new board Nov 23 12:03:50 Tofe: Did you test DDR4 in old machine? Nov 23 12:03:59 Seeing you get leds, I'd say PSU should be OK? Nov 23 13:16:59 Herrie: impressive google-fu Nov 23 13:25:50 I just tried the ldlc shop (in paris center), but they don't have any old cpu to do the upgrade with Nov 23 13:33:03 Tofe: That's a pity Nov 23 13:34:21 however their main store, which is a bit further away (but still in paris) could do it Nov 23 13:36:00 it closes at 7:30PM, so maybe I'll be able to make it tonight Nov 23 13:39:44 The other ones I listed, nearer by won't be able to do it? Nov 23 13:40:48 well it doesn't seem like they propose this kind of service Nov 23 13:41:28 also, I trust ldlc to do a decent job Nov 23 13:48:25 hmm this used to be free for new MB and cheap if you bring your own mobo :/ https://www.alza.cz/EN/bios-update-motherboard-d5262634.htm?o=1 now they want 16EUR and only for new boards Nov 23 13:49:46 other big shop here does that for 8EUR and doesn't say it's restricted to new boards Nov 23 13:50:21 almost cheaper to buy a model with bios flashback Nov 23 13:51:30 well, I would have been careful about that if I knew AMD boards were such a mess Nov 23 13:53:48 Tofe: Well usually a bit of nice talk with owner does the trick is my experience. They usually like to help people who are proficient and like to tinker, at least here Nov 23 13:54:29 nice talk with amazon is tricky :p Nov 23 13:55:54 Tofe: I mean of the local shop ;) Nov 23 13:56:07 Though I haven't been in a local PC shop for ages LOL Nov 23 13:56:11 ah, ok :) Nov 23 13:56:29 Herrie: most of them have disappeared, since then Nov 23 13:56:37 Same here Nov 23 14:02:52 Tofe: Enhanced ACG coming along quite OK it seems here... Updated a bunch of recipes already, still lots to cover, but well.... Nov 23 14:22:06 https://github.com/webOS-ports/meta-webos-ports/commit/06af63354fe0740d803315f92206b255a563f52b Nov 23 14:22:33 Will add to this when moving along. Still lots of adding & cleanup need doing, but it boots and should kill most critical errors in logs already Nov 23 14:22:49 Working through them one by one, so a bit tedious. Will be 100 or so recipes to update I guess in the end Nov 23 14:27:09 Herrie: https://github.com/webOS-ports/meta-webos-ports/commit/06af63354fe0740d803315f92206b255a563f52b#diff-c074c61daa75565be0f024f32c318564331df09cdd2c29c032d8325994977a02 do we really need OECMAKE_AR now? Nov 23 14:27:30 JaMa: Well I took it from OSE recipe :P Nov 23 14:27:33 You added it there Nov 23 14:27:49 https://github.com/webOS-ports/meta-webos-ports/commit/06af63354fe0740d803315f92206b255a563f52b#diff-30536541aca19ac04c078a158a4578f1ae50cdff69d45a0d03f7b5feefe846c1 there is already systemd inherit few lines bellow Nov 23 14:28:09 "You added it there" yes, but couple years ago backported from 1.8 :) Nov 23 14:28:42 1.8 Fido was released Apr 2015 Nov 23 14:31:24 JaMa: systemd inherit is not sufficient. It fails without Nov 23 14:31:50 systemd inherit is already there Nov 23 14:32:04 ah sorry Nov 23 14:32:11 not enough coffee Nov 23 14:32:23 JaMa: This is heavily WIP still anyway Nov 23 14:33:42 Idea is to get this to a state close to upstream, so we can reduce recipes in our layer and use whatever OSE provides going forward and rebase easier Nov 23 14:33:50 But that will be quite some work of course Nov 23 14:46:01 ok, old rig is back online Nov 23 14:52:46 Tofe: Issue could still be the RAM, but I would expect it to run at lower speeds at least Nov 23 14:54:19 Or PSU, hard to really say without testing various bits, but indeed updating BIOS would be my best guess Nov 23 15:03:37 Herrie: I'll try and go to the main "ldlc" store in a couple of hours Nov 23 15:03:48 hopefully it's not very busy at work Nov 23 18:20:49 ok, even the biggest computer store in paris doesn't have Zen2 CPUs anymore, and couldn't update my bios Nov 23 18:21:11 ==> let's buy another one and send back this useless paperweight Nov 23 18:24:32 hmm, that's strange Nov 23 18:33:21 Tofe: Maybe order a board that supports CPU out of box? Nov 23 18:33:44 that's what B550 are supposed to do Nov 23 18:52:49 anyway, new one ordered Nov 23 18:53:03 I have until end of january to send the other one back Nov 23 21:01:20 Well that gives enough time :D Nov 23 21:01:40 Ordered same model from same Amazon? Or something else? Nov 23 22:21:00 no, something else, an Asus Tuf Gaming B550M, with Bios Flashback capability Nov 23 22:54:56 why micro? Nov 23 23:00:00 well I guess not everybody wants to have big tower case and looks like ATX B550-Pro has also only 2 M.2 slots anyway Nov 24 07:37:16 JaMa: because my tower case only takes mATX Nov 24 08:35:26 Tofe: SSD seems to be "in-limbo" somewhere :'( Nov 24 08:35:37 "Delivery yesterday" changed to "Delivery unknown" Nov 24 08:37:53 Herrie: I wouldn't worry too much for the moment: I think they were just too optimistic, and now that the delay has passed they don't know what status to put Nov 24 08:38:12 It should still arrive either today or tomorrow I think Nov 24 08:38:21 Tofe: Yeah well I put it in a locker... Maybe they didn't empty the locker yet :P Nov 24 09:00:45 It was in a "village" so who knows LOL Nov 24 09:09:17 :) Nov 24 09:33:46 Tofe: When should your new MB arrive? Nov 24 09:38:07 either today or tomorrow Nov 24 09:39:23 It's currently near Barcelona, so I have some doubts for today :) Nov 24 10:06:08 Tofe: Ah the wonderous world of logistics... It keeps surprising me really Nov 24 10:10:42 Tofe: FWIW I'm back to glowing LuneOS logo on my Enhanced ACG somehow... Trying to track it down, but no luck as of yet Nov 24 10:12:16 So just killing the errors one by one in the log that might be related and it will start working, I'm sure Nov 24 10:19:09 Glowing logo might indicate some QML issue Nov 24 10:19:39 i.e. if it can't load the rest of the cardshell for some reason Nov 24 10:19:49 but it should be in the logs somewhere, in that case Nov 24 10:46:41 Tofe; Well Enhanced ACG is quite some changes... I changed the bits we took from OSE and bumped basically. Now working through all our apps and services to do the same Nov 24 10:48:36 And making the required changes along the way Nov 24 14:22:20 Tofe: OK got UI back Nov 24 14:22:27 Log looks pretty clean so far Nov 24 14:24:34 good :) Nov 24 14:25:46 FirstUse doesn't finish properly though Nov 24 14:25:52 Probably missing some permissions still Nov 24 14:25:58 I.e. I don't get the gesture bar Nov 24 14:26:11 I still have quite some things in logs, but I'll leave those for tomorrow i guess Nov 24 14:26:51 for status bar, it could also be related to some initial account creation failure Nov 24 14:27:23 Tofe: Well it's a multitude of things I guess Nov 24 14:27:29 Also the JS frameworks stuff has some issues Nov 24 14:27:39 But we'll get there Nov 24 14:27:47 Just need to do a lot of cleanup still Nov 24 14:28:18 yes, I'm not very surprised Nov 24 14:29:34 Yeah, I understand their enhanced ACG better vs normal one, so migration is easier LOL Nov 24 14:29:50 Their logics is more solid and understandable this time around Nov 24 15:56:02 Tofe: Did something arrive already? Nov 24 15:57:25 Herrie: doesn't seem so -- but I'm not at home Nov 24 17:54:45 Herrie: nope, nothing arrived Nov 24 18:14:52 JaMa, Herrie: I wonder, do you think there's any risk in trying out my new DDR4 on my old B150 motherboard ? it'll just run at 2133Mhz, isn't it ? Nov 24 18:21:02 mmh looks like my motherboard can't address more than 64Gb, so 64+16 will be too much. So I'll just wait. Nov 24 19:15:57 Tofe: That's a pity, another chance tomorrow :) Nov 24 19:32:07 Tofe: I haven't used Intel MB for a while, but I don't see any risk in trying that, why not use just 2x32 in it without current 16G? Nov 24 19:32:40 I can even push small kirkstone update for you to benchmark rebuild from scratch on old MACHINE to compare the build time :) Nov 24 19:35:18 JaMa: I doubt there would be any change, I maxed out the CPU all the time of the build Nov 24 19:36:31 with more RAM you will have more disk buffers Nov 24 19:36:45 especially if you use long commit interfals and nobarriers Nov 24 19:37:05 and I meant mostly to have baseline time before upgrading to the new CPU Nov 24 19:37:25 not to compare 16G ram and 64G on old CPU Nov 24 19:37:37 I've pushed the update anyway Nov 24 20:36:05 JaMa: ok, let's try then Nov 24 20:36:17 I'm at work tomorrow, so I can start a build in the morning and see Nov 24 20:38:42 JaMa: but I suddently have a doubt: does it accept 32gb dimm slots ? Nov 24 20:40:11 On the PDF manual: "You may install 2 GB, 4 GB, 8 GB and 16 GB unbuffered non-ECC DDR4 DIMMs into the DIMM sockets." Nov 24 20:40:19 so I guess that's it... Nov 24 21:02:40 https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/psu-buying-guide,2916-3.html that's interesting, I never read about PSU efficiency curve Nov 24 21:34:16 power total: 450.00 W Nov 24 21:34:16 power +12v: 414.00 W Nov 24 21:35:19 during the build with 3080ti idling at around 50-80W (from 370) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Nov 25 02:59:57 2022