**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 02 02:59:56 2022 Dec 02 07:32:18 Tofe: Good the conflict was resolved. With regards to cooler sometimes it's necessary to use the different cable or tweak a bit the settings in BIOS for it Dec 02 07:32:52 I think I might have added a 2nd fan here (or was it there already), don't recall to be honest. Dec 02 07:37:03 Morning! Dec 02 07:37:42 Herrie: here I'm really light on fan usage so far: just one case fan, the cpu fan, that's all... so it can definitely be improved Dec 02 07:39:46 brand new build start on the SSD; one core ondemand, the rest powersave Dec 02 07:40:44 Tofe: I mean the RPM of the fan of the CPU cooler, I recall mine came with 2 cables. 1 for FULL BLAST RPM and 1 for "quiet" Dec 02 07:41:37 ah, well I just have one cable here Dec 02 07:46:03 Tofe: Which cooler model you have? Dec 02 07:46:45 https://noctua.at/en/nh-l12s Dec 02 07:47:31 and for the case, well it's just the one that came with it, 92mm I thnk Dec 02 07:49:59 for now I'm build with -n 4 -j 16, we'll see if I can tweak it better Dec 02 07:51:39 looks like I can put 3 more 120mm fans in the case (one front, two on the side) if I want. I'll have to check how many fans I can power though Dec 02 07:54:00 oh, I forgot to merge your PR Dec 02 07:54:02 "one core ondemand, the rest powersave" why is that? Dec 02 07:54:10 JaMa: CPU temp :p Dec 02 07:54:45 JaMa: do you have some remark concening Herrie's PR, before I merge it ? Dec 02 07:55:01 can you leave the case open and some household fan near? just for fair benchmark build :) Dec 02 07:55:26 JaMa: I'm not at home today, monitoring from afar Dec 02 07:55:32 I've reviewed only the early version, but feel free to merge it Dec 02 07:55:40 https://github.com/webOS-ports/meta-webos-ports/pull/544 (the PR in question, big one) Dec 02 07:55:40 Tofe: IC Dec 02 07:56:02 JaMa: Any thoughts on how to benchmark my new laptop properly? Dec 02 07:56:19 It's one with 32GB DDR5, Ryzen 7 Pro 6850U (8C/16T) Dec 02 07:56:21 ok merged Dec 02 07:56:31 Did some OSE build yesterday, but wasn't impressed with building time Dec 02 07:56:58 there is https://github.com/shr-project/test-oe-build-time but I wouldn't torture laptop with it :) Dec 02 07:57:00 JaMa: I'll leave this build running for the moment; then tomorrow or tonight I'll open the case and rerun a full-perf build Dec 02 07:57:51 yeah at least you'll know how much it thermal throttles for you without extra fan Dec 02 07:59:00 currently I'm stable at 65°, I think I can put one more core to ondemand Dec 02 07:59:06 Tofe: Specs of the fan says it has a Low Noise Adapter Dec 02 07:59:11 Not sure you're using that one? Dec 02 07:59:18 If so it might be worth to try without Dec 02 07:59:31 let me check Dec 02 08:00:23 I bought Lenovo IdeaPad Gaming 3 15ACH6 (82K200RACK) AMD Ryzen 5 5600H, 16GB RAM DDR4-3200, 512GB SSD M.2 2242 PCIe 3.0x4 NVMe, Nvidia 3050 as a replacement for my old LGE laptop I had to return as well Dec 02 08:00:47 and I never run a build on it, nor plan to as I'm too spoiled with workstation perf Dec 02 08:03:14 and on the Old Dell Latitude E7470 I did just 1-2 small builds over the years I had it Dec 02 08:12:59 ok seems I have CPU_OPT, CHA_FAN1 and CHA_FAN2 which can be used in addition to CPU_FAN. CPU_* are "shared", which I guess means same voltage, but that could be actually be ok for me Dec 02 08:13:15 currently I only use CHA_FAN1 anyway Dec 02 08:13:43 in addition to CPU_FAN, right? Dec 02 08:14:20 right :) Dec 02 08:14:36 I've upped my governor to be ondemand on half the cores Dec 02 08:15:05 I would enable it everywhere, in worse case the cpu will throttle itself Dec 02 08:16:19 done, let's see... Dec 02 08:17:02 as long as it doesn't go over 4Ghz I'm fine I thnk Dec 02 08:20:22 so far so good, T° under 68° and stable, qtbase-native building, all 100% Dec 02 08:35:02 JaMa: I might just torture it a bit for fun to see how it peforms Dec 02 08:35:17 I don't plan to do builds on it regularly Dec 02 08:40:37 JaMa: How come you needed to return your laptop to LGE? Dec 02 08:46:10 it was also old (with broken keyboard since battery almost exploded) and already written off, but they wanted to return it anyway when I was leaving LG SVL Dec 02 08:46:29 I've even installed LuneOS image for them to try on return :) Dec 02 08:51:34 I have some T° peaks at 78-79° for 30s or so, then it goes back to 70° Dec 02 09:05:21 https://www.amd.com/en/products/apu/amd-ryzen-7-5700g says 95° is the max, but it shows only PCIE3, don't you have PCIE4? or do you have 5700X? Dec 02 09:05:36 I have 5700X Dec 02 09:05:53 https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-7-5700x says 90 and PCIE4 Dec 02 09:06:00 yes, that's what I remembered Dec 02 09:07:25 it's beginning webruntime now Dec 02 09:08:14 4Ghz, steady 68°C Dec 02 09:12:05 only 11Gb of RAM is used, did I miss something ?... Dec 02 09:13:56 nodejs enters the dance Dec 02 09:36:09 JaMa: But you're still doing work for LG right? As contractor or how it works? Dec 02 09:36:42 JaMa: Any thoughts on how to touch base with LG guys? Skype group we get 0 replies.... Dec 02 09:54:28 Ah some guide on the new UI: https://www.webosose.org/docs/guides/getting-started/webos-ose-ui-guide/ Dec 02 09:55:22 Tofe: This might give some insights into how we can deal with alerts etc properly maybe? Dec 02 09:58:36 Herrie: maybe, for instance the "Notification Sample" thing could be interesting -- if that's indeed a web app Dec 02 10:00:32 Herrie: yeah, 2021 my contract ended with SVL in US (where I was working only on meta-ros and svlsimutor.com in last 1-2 years anyway) and in April I've started new contract with LGE in Korea to work on webOS again Dec 02 10:01:51 and in June someone doing the Asset Survey discovered that I still have the old laptop :) Dec 02 10:07:48 ah, I'm now using 30Gb of RAM, good Dec 02 10:20:19 JaMa: Ah clear :) Dec 02 10:27:11 jama ~ # free -g Dec 02 10:27:11 total used free shared buff/cache available Dec 02 10:27:14 Mem: 125 57 28 0 39 66 Dec 02 10:27:17 Swap: 0 0 0 Dec 02 10:27:19 jama ~ # uptime Dec 02 10:27:22 11:27:00 up 3:00, 4 users, load average: 117.58, 111.57, 96.92 Dec 02 10:27:44 with webruntime and nodejs building at the same time Dec 02 10:28:46 webruntime is at [35710/43232], memory usage peak is near the end 42K+ Dec 02 11:44:51 build still not finished, but webruntime at 90% and nodejs is finished Dec 02 12:35:21 build finished Dec 02 12:49:41 JaMa: Any thoughts why I would still need python 2.7 for kirkstone test-oe-build-time? I thought we should be on python3 only already for that? Dec 02 12:50:13 python, python2.7 as specified by HOSTTOOLS I get when running 2-build-test.sh Dec 02 12:50:58 Herrie: firefox Dec 02 12:51:15 Ah OK Dec 02 12:52:03 How to fix it is another questions LOL Dec 02 12:52:23 I can simply do "apt get install python2.7" but how to get python? Dec 02 12:53:32 install python-is-python2 Dec 02 12:55:22 Not available on 22.04 it seems Dec 02 12:56:18 then temporarily create a symlink manually? Dec 02 12:56:38 ln -snf python2.7 /usr/bin/python Dec 02 12:58:02 looks like 21.10 was last version with python-is-python2 available https://packages.ubuntu.com/impish/python-is-python2 Dec 02 13:00:35 OK running now Dec 02 13:00:43 Just curious to see what I'll get on the laptop Dec 02 13:00:57 It won't be anywhere near 2990WX but well, still should be enough for some building here and there Dec 02 13:01:20 We might want to add 22.04 to sanity tested distros? Dec 02 13:02:59 didn't I add it already? then yes Dec 02 13:03:32 I'm using 22.10 for LGE builds, so LuneOS is likely to be compatible as well Dec 02 13:07:20 JaMa: I'm using 22.04 here and getting "unsupported" on Kirkstone Dec 02 13:10:17 right, please update SANITY_TESTED_DISTROS and leave only what you and Tofe regularly use Dec 02 13:12:05 JaMa: OK :) Dec 02 13:12:15 Laptop is getting stress tested now :P Dec 02 13:12:31 Best way to test a new machine for possible problems :P Dec 02 13:12:53 It was 1400 on Black Friday so a good price for this machine that normally is over 2000 ;) Dec 02 13:20:04 JaMa: OK I suggest to add 22.04 and 22.10 then here: https://github.com/webOS-ports/meta-webos-ports/blob/1bfeaabc9116d09df500e99cce114fcb7a813064/meta-luneos/conf/distro/include/luneos.inc#L165-L170 Dec 02 13:20:10 Tofe: You have others to add? Dec 02 13:22:28 Herrie: nope Dec 02 13:23:55 Ok done: https://github.com/webOS-ports/meta-webos-ports/commit/b45d425eb1d75210087a992f48db9c191646c8c4 Dec 02 13:26:57 webos-ports $ grep SANITY conf/local.conf Dec 02 13:26:58 SANITY_TESTED_DISTROS = "ubuntu-22.04 \n gentoo-2.8 \n gentoo-2.9" Dec 02 13:27:06 that explains that :) Dec 02 13:28:07 together with https://github.com/shr-project/meta-webosose/commit/e47417fe6a3e0a01aea21db572275df4f3c3f4b7 Dec 02 13:28:29 https://github.com/shr-project/meta-webosose/commit/dfbddba8c32d8c01e1edcdc1f4bf0ef4f0944a3b Dec 02 13:57:22 ok, updated my recipes, now... rebuilding again :p Dec 02 14:05:20 Herrie: you're right, I did you the low-noise adapter Dec 02 14:05:27 s/you/use/ Dec 02 14:05:44 I thought it was just a handy cable extension, but no, it's a voltage limiter :p Dec 02 14:11:52 Tofe: It will be more noisy but well Dec 02 14:11:59 It should be quiet enough still Dec 02 14:13:14 anyway I'll buy a new case fan too Dec 02 14:14:01 Tofe: I used to use just resistor many years ago, but now they sell them https://noctua.at/en/na-src7 (not cheap from noctua) :) Dec 02 14:38:58 I already disabled power management stuff so it doesn't go to sleep etc Dec 02 15:04:30 When running speedtest.net getting 635/400+ Mb/s via WiFi so that isn't bad :D Dec 02 15:05:04 "Bitbake is still alive (no events for 3000s). Active tasks.... Dec 02 15:05:17 Fetching binutils it seems and binutils-cross Dec 02 15:06:06 yes, that takes long Dec 02 15:07:03 But so long? Dec 02 15:07:09 How big is it? Dec 02 15:07:51 1.4G Dec 02 15:07:54 Ah it started to move now Dec 02 15:07:57 but pulled from slow YP mirror Dec 02 15:08:26 Ah that explains Dec 02 15:08:46 WiFi speed with WiFi6 on notebook and router about 3-4m away in hallway not bad :D Dec 02 15:12:14 it usually takes around 30 mins to fetch binutils from YP Dec 02 15:18:53 JaMa: Ah good to know! Dec 02 15:40:42 JaMa: Seems I killed my router with speedtest LOL Dec 02 15:40:46 Reboot and working again Dec 02 15:40:52 Doing the all-core test now on laptop Dec 02 15:40:55 hehe Dec 02 15:41:24 Herrie: make sure the new plastics don't melt :) Dec 02 15:42:00 It's a "workstation" laptop, should be able to deal with this really Dec 02 15:42:17 Fans are doing hard work I can see at least Dec 02 15:42:46 yeah, unless you work from bed :) Dec 02 15:43:42 or have multiple laptops on top of each other (which I used to do at times) Dec 02 15:44:58 JaMa: No plans to use this as builder, but it's interesting to see what it's capable of just for fun Dec 02 15:45:11 I doubt I'll build Chromium on it often, but it's good to know it's possible :P Dec 02 15:45:30 understood Dec 02 15:46:23 And building like this can stress test and test stability well :D Dec 02 17:42:13 JaMa: the 4 all core build is failing here I guess due to OOMK Dec 02 17:42:32 How much swap you suggest I setup? It has 32GB RAM Dec 02 17:55:32 ok, low noise cable removed, and I added a 120mm fan on the chassis Dec 02 17:56:42 how many threads do you have on that cpu? in general to have 2.5G * threads (ram+swap) Dec 02 17:57:52 ah 8c 16t Dec 02 17:58:24 so 16G should be enough, but 32G swap to be on safe side Dec 02 17:58:31 JaMa: OK Dec 02 17:58:43 I'll try to run the other tests first Dec 02 17:58:53 Then play with swap for the all core one Dec 02 18:02:27 Tofe: That should help I guess :D Dec 02 18:03:33 I seem to have gained a few degrees Dec 02 18:16:30 on cpu or in the room? :) Dec 02 18:17:15 I haven't turned heating element in my office this winter yet :) Dec 02 18:23:48 JaMa: well, on cpu, mostly **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Dec 03 02:59:57 2022