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Nov 12 03:01:09 <Roy-Pre101> Hmm...
Nov 12 03:01:18 <Roy-Pre101> my wav file isn't playing on the emulator!
Nov 12 03:01:35 <natenrb9> sugardave: we are close…that closes the stage, but it also closes my dashboard stage (which I want to stay open…), lol
Nov 12 03:02:09 <Roy-Pre101> Doesn't play on phone, either.
Nov 12 03:02:19 <Roy-Pre101> Hmm, does GSM compressed wav not work? :(
Nov 12 03:02:48 <sugardave> natenrb9: hmm...
Nov 12 03:02:56 <sugardave> I haven't dealt with dashboards
Nov 12 03:03:24 <natenrb9> sugardave: yeah, this is the whole reason I am having to deal with this stuff
Nov 12 03:03:41 <Roy-Pre101> Wow, my phone is now angry.
Nov 12 03:04:25 <natenrb9> sugardave: I want to open the app, and then be able to minimize to the dashboard, which I can do with the app-assistant and noWindow: true, but then you run into the lag problem...
Nov 12 03:04:34 <Roy-Pre101> It just rebooted itself.
Nov 12 03:04:34 <lemketron> eeks, so much for lurking...
Nov 12 03:04:36 <Roy-Pre101> nice.
Nov 12 03:04:50 <sugardave> Roy-Pre101: bas sound Mojo tonight :D
Nov 12 03:04:54 <sugardave> bad, too
Nov 12 03:04:56 <lemketron> you can always open the VirtualBox gui and delete the virtual machine.  the palm-emulator app will re-create it from scratch.
Nov 12 03:05:23 <lemketron> regarding sound, wav files worked in 1.2 but broke in 1.3. we're working on getting it (and mp3) but it's not there yet.
Nov 12 03:05:25 <sugardave> Roy-Pre101: I can get SOME wav files to play on the emu, but not this huge one
Nov 12 03:05:30 <sugardave> ah
Nov 12 03:05:36 <sugardave> must be system sounds I still have working
Nov 12 03:05:42 <haeffb_> lemketron: can you provide stage name for the stage created when noWindow: false?
Nov 12 03:05:47 <lemketron> and let's see... nduid was reported as broken in the beta 1.3.1 emulator fortunately, so we fixed it for the next update.
Nov 12 03:06:00 <sugardave> lemketron: YAY!
Nov 12 03:06:01 <Roy-Pre101> lemketron: Hmm.  Odd, I thought Ih ad gotten some sounds work in 1.3
Nov 12 03:06:05 <lemketron> and yeah, no lock screen support in the emulator... but why would you need that for app development?
Nov 12 03:06:40 <sugardave> Roy-Pre101: I just looked at my code...I can get some SHORT wav files to play...they're prbably copies of the system sounds pcms for DTMF
Nov 12 03:06:41 <Roy-Pre101> notification testing, maybe?
Nov 12 03:07:12 <haeffb_> lemketron: I want a dashboard notification created ONLY when locked. Is not possible?
Nov 12 03:07:19 <natenrb9> lemketron: Seconded! can you provide stage name for the stage created when noWindow: false?
Nov 12 03:07:30 <sugardave> lemketron: are you guys going to push the nduid-fixed SDK update soon? :D
Nov 12 03:07:37 <lemketron> no idea.  ask on the dev forum.  I twiddle bits, not javascript.  :-)
Nov 12 03:09:01 <haeffb_> both ?'s have been asked on dev forum with no answers.
Nov 12 03:09:24 <lemketron> got a link?  I can push it directly to someone who can hopefully respond.
Nov 12 03:09:30 <lemketron> or a couple of someones even
Nov 12 03:10:29 <haeffb_> 1: http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1109&p=11643&hilit=default+stage+name#p11643
Nov 12 03:10:40 <natenrb9> lemketron: for the default stage name - http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1109
Nov 12 03:11:02 <natenrb9> lemketron: and another for the default stage name - http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=3097
Nov 12 03:11:26 <haeffb_> 2: http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2127&hilit=+lock
Nov 12 03:11:44 * haeffb_ is a master searcher
Nov 12 03:12:15 <haeffb_> thanks for any help you can provide!
Nov 12 03:12:36 <sugardave> natenrb9: I'm confused...even if you get the default stage and close it, isn't it still going to close your dashboard?
Nov 12 03:12:57 <natenrb9> sugardave: no, the dashboard is a separate stage
Nov 12 03:13:14 <sugardave> oh, so THAT's probably _originalMojoCard?
Nov 12 03:13:21 <lemketron> sugardave: that updated emulator should be available soon, though I don't want to risk saying exactly when...
Nov 12 03:13:26 <sugardave> you need to look at the array
Nov 12 03:13:31 <reality9110> natenrb9: What are you trying to do?
Nov 12 03:13:32 <sugardave> lemketron: "soon" is good enough
Nov 12 03:13:37 <natenrb9> sugardave: that's why you need the app-assistant if you have a dashboard notification
Nov 12 03:13:52 <lemketron> natenrb9: forwarding those urls for the default stage name question.  is that the same issue as the lock screen thing?
Nov 12 03:14:04 <reality9110> You don't need an app-assistant for dashboard notifications.
Nov 12 03:14:16 <haeffb_> also, if I knew the default stage name, I would have to createStageWithCallback() in appAssistant - could just use noWindow: false and still respond to launch params with handleLaunch()
Nov 12 03:14:25 <sugardave> natenrb9: right...so what's in the array returned by Mojo.Controller.appController.getStageMgr().allStageKeys() ?
Nov 12 03:14:32 <lemketron> (I would ask "what do the built-in apps do?"
Nov 12 03:14:35 <haeffb_> reality9110: you need it to respond to alarms
Nov 12 03:14:51 <reality9110> Respond to alarms?
Nov 12 03:15:10 <natenrb9> lemeketron: default stage name question is different from lock screen question
Nov 12 03:15:20 <JenP> hi all!
Nov 12 03:15:24 <sugardave> hi JenP
Nov 12 03:15:40 <lemketron> natenrb9: is there a thread about the lock screen question?
Nov 12 03:15:41 <JenP> hey sugardave how's it going?
Nov 12 03:15:48 <natenrb9> reality9110: I want to minimize my app to the dashboard and close the card stage
Nov 12 03:15:57 <sugardave> pretty okay...trying to get sound working in my app
Nov 12 03:15:59 <sugardave> hitting walls
Nov 12 03:16:06 <haeffb_> set an alarm using Mojo.Service.Request("palm://com.palm.power/timeout"
Nov 12 03:16:15 <sugardave> natenrb9: ^^^^^ did you see my last question?
Nov 12 03:16:23 <natenrb9> reality9110: I can do it with the noWindow: true, but that causes lag when clicking the icon to open the app
Nov 12 03:16:34 <natenrb9> sugardave: yeah, sorry. I was going to try that now
Nov 12 03:16:38 <sugardave> k
Nov 12 03:16:40 <haeffb_> lemketron: the lock screen question was my link #2 above
Nov 12 03:17:10 <reality9110> natenrb9: How many scenes in the app?
Nov 12 03:17:26 <Roy-Pre101> I wish GSM 6.10 WAV worked on the phone.  it's 1/10th the size of regular .wav.
Nov 12 03:17:48 <Roy-Pre101> Even smaller than the .mp3 file I created.
Nov 12 03:18:49 <reality9110> haeffb_: You can actually do that through either a scene or through the stage-assistant.
Nov 12 03:19:35 <haeffb_> really? do go on.... :)
Nov 12 03:20:09 <haeffb_> If my app is no longer running?
Nov 12 03:20:39 <reality9110> If your app is not longer running, then how's it going to response to the app-assistant?
Nov 12 03:21:17 <natenrb9> reality9110: scenes in the app? why would that matter?
Nov 12 03:21:17 <reality9110> Except application manager
Nov 12 03:21:35 <reality9110> natenrb9: Because if you have one scene, you could do a popsceneto dashboard.
Nov 12 03:22:02 <haeffb_> the powertimeout sets wakeup: true with the appid and launch params for your app
Nov 12 03:22:06 <natenrb9> reality9110: I don't think that's possible because the dashboard is a different type of stage
Nov 12 03:22:10 <haeffb_> as seen in Allen's book.
Nov 12 03:22:34 <reality9110> natenrb9: It's just a minimal stage.
Nov 12 03:23:05 <reality9110> Doesn't mean it won't accept a popsceneto command.
Nov 12 03:23:11 <Roy-Pre101> Hmm, my mp3 isn't playing, either!
Nov 12 03:23:23 <reality9110> natenrb9: It's worth a try
Nov 12 03:23:39 <haeffb_> but in order to do that, I could no longer use noWindow: false. Which means I have to creat my own stage, not use the default one. Because I don't know the default stage name.
Nov 12 03:23:47 <Roy-Pre101> helps if you spell the name right.
Nov 12 03:23:51 <Roy-Pre101> dur
Nov 12 03:24:14 <natenrb9> reality9110: I believe I had tried to do that…but I couldn't get the dashboard to work with out creating a stage for it first
Nov 12 03:24:14 * haeffb_ is also a master of Javascript typos
Nov 12 03:24:47 <reality9110> natenrb9: Create the dashboard stage at application startup in the stage-assistant.
Nov 12 03:25:17 <reality9110> Have it hidden by stage activate.
Nov 12 03:25:19 <natenrb9> sugardave: did you do something like this? - var allStageNames = Mojo.Controller.appController.getStageMgr().allStageKeys();
Nov 12 03:26:36 <reality9110> I'd muck around with it on my app, but that'd require reconfiguring it which I don't particularly want to do so close to submission.
Nov 12 03:26:39 <sugardave> natenrb9: close enough, that should be an array of stage 'keys' now
Nov 12 03:27:04 <natenrb9> reality9110: you can create a stage in the stage assistant? and how would I pop to that stage?
Nov 12 03:28:22 <natenrb9> sugardave: the emulator is not liking - var allStageNames = Mojo.Controller.appController.getStageMgr().allStageKeys();
Nov 12 03:28:46 <reality9110> natenrb9: First off, how are you minimuzing?
Nov 12 03:28:53 <reality9110> minimizing
Nov 12 03:28:58 <lemketron> haeffb_ and natenrb9:  links forwarded to folks who should be able to get you some answers in the forum...
Nov 12 03:29:12 <natenrb9> lemketron: awesome!
Nov 12 03:29:37 <reality9110> Button or gesture?
Nov 12 03:29:40 <natenrb9> reality9110: minimizing with a flick on the event on the screen
Nov 12 03:29:45 <haeffb_> sweet
Nov 12 03:30:01 <lemketron> np;  I need to head home; dinner is getting cold.  :-/
Nov 12 03:30:20 <reality9110> Ok.  Intercept the gesture.
Nov 12 03:30:24 <sugardave> natenrb9: word, try to log Oject.toJSON(Mojo.Controller.appController.getStageMgr()); and make sure that method is there
Nov 12 03:32:08 <reality9110> Yeah, this might work.  Intercept the gesture, have it push the dashboard stage, and then do a var appController = Mojo.Controller.getAppController(); appController.getStageController('').window.close();
Nov 12 03:33:08 <reality9110> Might be able to put the appController commands in the setup of the dashboard.
Nov 12 03:34:31 <reality9110> Might not even need to intercept the command either.
Nov 12 03:34:37 <natenrb9> sugardave: what about the allStageKeys() part?
Nov 12 03:35:00 <reality9110> Just try putting the appController commands in either activate or setup of the dashboard.
Nov 12 03:35:01 <natenrb9> reality9110: looking at your response
Nov 12 03:35:20 <sugardave> natenrb9: that's what I mean, if you do that log output on .getStageMgr() you should see allStageKeys listed as a property/method
Nov 12 03:35:33 <sugardave> if not, then you can't use it
Nov 12 03:35:56 <natenrb9> sugardave: ah
Nov 12 03:40:29 <Roy-Pre101> can you do this with css:   .palm-dark .x, .y, .z { }
Nov 12 03:40:40 <natenrb9> reality9110: that ends up just closing both stages...
Nov 12 03:40:43 <Roy-Pre101> so that all dark x,y & z's will share a style?
Nov 12 03:40:59 <reality9110> Yeah.
Nov 12 03:42:26 <sugardave> Roy-Pre101: damn, I'm not sure you can do that with classes....but I should probably shut up because I don't know
Nov 12 03:42:56 <natenrb9> sugardave: where are you getting this getStageMgr() method from?
Nov 12 03:43:03 <sugardave> If you can, I bet it has to be .palm-dark .x, .palm-dark .y, .palm-dark .z
Nov 12 03:43:05 <natenrb9> doesn't seem to be working for me...
Nov 12 03:43:45 <sugardave> natenrb9: I just debug outputted objects starting with Mojo.Controller.appController until I found interesting ones
Nov 12 03:46:07 <Roy-Pre101> sugardave: I think you're right.
Nov 12 03:46:39 <sugardave> which one, can't do it or option 2?
Nov 12 03:50:54 <reality9110> natenrb9: var appController = Mojo.Controller.getAppController(); appController.getStageController('').popScene(); works
Nov 12 03:51:31 <reality9110> Closes the current scene, pops the dashboard (assuming you create it when you minimize)
Nov 12 03:55:35 <sugardave> it's ugly, but I finally got the sound loop working "well enough"
Nov 12 03:55:47 <natenrb9> reality9110: assuming your create what when you minimize?
Nov 12 03:55:59 <reality9110> the dashboard
Nov 12 03:56:16 <natenrb9> the dashboard stage?
Nov 12 03:56:20 <reality9110> yes
Nov 12 03:56:43 <reality9110> So on deactivate (i.e. minimize) push the dashboard scene first, then popScene
Nov 12 03:58:12 <natenrb9> reality9110: but that leaves the blank card open...?
Nov 12 03:59:21 <reality9110> What blank card?
Nov 12 04:01:49 <natenrb9> the original stage is still open, just blank
Nov 12 04:04:15 <natenrb9> 1. open app to default stage 2. open dashboard stage and dashboard scene 3. popscene - closes scene on card stage, but leave blank card stage open...
Nov 12 04:05:35 <reality9110> Are you using an app-assistant?
Nov 12 04:08:46 <natenrb9> yeha
Nov 12 04:08:48 <natenrb9> yeah
Nov 12 04:12:36 <reality9110> hmmm
Nov 12 04:14:19 <Roy-Pre101> hmmm
Nov 12 04:19:09 <reality9110> I got my contract
Nov 12 04:20:32 <natenrb9> sugardave: in controller_app.js getStageMgr has a space between getStageMgr and the colon - would that cause problems in calling it?
Nov 12 04:20:50 <Roy-Pre101> reality9110: Yay?
Nov 12 04:20:56 <natenrb9> sugardave: because I can't seem to be allowed to call getStageMgr…?
Nov 12 04:21:49 <sugardave> natenrb9: no, that's just the way the object gets printed
Nov 12 04:22:00 <sugardave> reality9110: a good one?
Nov 12 04:23:00 <natenrb9> sugardave: you were able to call getStageMgr right in an app no problem?
Nov 12 04:23:09 <sugardave> yep
Nov 12 04:24:52 <sugardave> getStageMgr is a function so have to do Mojo.Controller.appController.getStageMgr() to have it do anything useful
Nov 12 04:57:28 <axmd> yay
Nov 12 04:57:36 <axmd> finally
Nov 12 04:57:49 <axmd> hello
Nov 12 04:58:27 <axmd> come on ppl reply !
Nov 12 04:58:40 <axmd> -.- not again
Nov 12 04:58:58 <justin___> what's your question?
Nov 12 05:00:35 <axmd> alright hold on
Nov 12 05:01:55 <axmd> is there a possibily of web os supporting languages like chinese, arabic, hebrew, etc, and if there is how is that possible if the letters on thw keyboard can't be changed?
Nov 12 05:02:08 <axmd> *the
Nov 12 05:02:09 <sugardave> man, I guess Deiter has taken a page from the Palm app review team
Nov 12 05:05:05 <sugardave> axmd: same way other locales would be loaded and used on a machine with a US 101-keyboard?
Nov 12 05:05:15 <reality9110> axmd: For Chinese, pinyin would be used
Nov 12 05:05:43 <Roy-Pre101> on screen keyboard? :)
Nov 12 05:05:51 <axmd> what is pinyin?
Nov 12 05:06:10 <Adora>  sugardave:  re: Deiter...how so?
Nov 12 05:06:23 <rboatright> pinyin is a system for typing chinese characters by mapping latin alphabetical strings to the chinese characters
Nov 12 05:06:29 * sugardave is being a smart-ass.
Nov 12 05:06:31 <Adora> DIEter
Nov 12 05:06:36 <Adora> (that's how I remember the spelling)
Nov 12 05:06:45 <sugardave> Adora: ah yes, Dieter....he hasn't updated any apps for a while
Nov 12 05:06:47 <sugardave> ;)
Nov 12 05:06:52 <Adora> dude
Nov 12 05:06:56 <rboatright> basically you type transliterated chinese and it puts up characters
Nov 12 05:06:59 <Adora> it's 9pm
Nov 12 05:07:01 <sugardave> I know, I'm an ass
Nov 12 05:07:02 <rboatright> Adora !!!!!
Nov 12 05:07:03 <Adora> and I'm still here
Nov 12 05:07:12 <Adora> HERE FOR YOU!
Nov 12 05:07:22 <rboatright> Did you see snowglobe?
Nov 12 05:07:25 <sugardave> Adora: sweet, you need to get your sorry ass some positive points on my leaderboard
Nov 12 05:07:37 <axmd> like arabic when they use similar looking letters of arabic to type in arabic using the us keyboard
Nov 12 05:08:13 <Adora> sugardave:  I'm hoping to be able to get to it tomorrow
Nov 12 05:08:15 <sugardave> I'll even delete your account so you can have your name back
Nov 12 05:08:29 <sugardave> Adora: woohoo!  that would be great
Nov 12 05:08:37 <Adora> rboatright: it's in the system, but not on my list (at least not right now)
Nov 12 05:08:59 <rboatright> Adora,  I just wanted you to see it.  We pulled the submission for a quick update.
Nov 12 05:10:28 <Adora> rboatright: just searched to see if it was still cached, but it's not  =[
Nov 12 05:10:54 <sugardave> Adora: if you DO get to mine tomorrow, it will be one of the lowest-hanging pieces of fruit you've ever seen
Nov 12 05:10:56 <axmd> the people here are they really webos developers?
Nov 12 05:11:19 <Adora> axmd: as far as I know, yeah
Nov 12 05:11:22 <rboatright> axmd:   yes.
Nov 12 05:11:26 <Adora> might be some non-dev lurkers
Nov 12 05:11:29 <rboatright> and also palm staff
Nov 12 05:11:53 <axmd> cool
Nov 12 05:12:07 <sugardave> axmd: I'm striving to that end
Nov 12 05:12:10 <rboatright> but we can attest that MOST of us who actally type anything are in fact webos developers
Nov 12 05:12:53 * ElVox is a web developer who is just hiding here
Nov 12 05:13:04 <axmd> lol
Nov 12 05:13:25 <Adora> ElVox:  web developer, or webos developer?
Nov 12 05:14:05 * ElVox tugs at his collar nervously
Nov 12 05:14:48 <Adora> hey, I don't really claim either
Nov 12 05:15:12 <Adora> but webos development is reaching the point where it isn't much of a distinction anymore
Nov 12 05:15:14 <ElVox> well... uh.. i'm a web developer who is making a dual web/webos app
Nov 12 05:15:50 <rboatright> good on you ElVox
Nov 12 05:16:23 <rboatright> Adora did you get a flood of pixi updates at the last minute on Monday?
Nov 12 05:16:32 <axmd> alright so I just want to thank you guys for answering my questions, I'm sure i'll have more but my brain is dead rite now from reading about american history, anywayz I will like to say that webos is the best thing that ever happened to me, it is so flexible, and thanks you guys who ever you are for making it pleasure for me to use it
Nov 12 05:16:41 <sugardave> Adora is IRCing in the dark.
Nov 12 05:16:44 <Adora> rboatright: to be honest, I don't remember monday
Nov 12 05:16:47 <Adora> hehehe
Nov 12 05:17:13 <Adora> I'm looking at so many apps each day that my short term memory is kinda shot
Nov 12 05:17:24 <ElVox> isn't that a symptom of ptsd?
Nov 12 05:17:34 <kesne_> Adora!
Nov 12 05:17:41 <Adora> kesne!
Nov 12 05:17:47 <Adora> isn't it past your bedtime?
Nov 12 05:17:49 <Adora> =]
Nov 12 05:18:21 <Adora> (it sure as hell feels like it's past mine)
Nov 12 05:20:13 <kesne> It's only 9:19
Nov 12 05:20:18 <kesne> And, I'm in calu
Nov 12 05:20:20 <kesne> *cali
Nov 12 05:21:31 <Adora> well I'm gonna scrape my old bones out of this chair and get home
Nov 12 05:21:55 <Adora> see you guys tomorrow!
Nov 12 05:22:03 <Roy-Pre101> Adora: I sent a poem in my app submission today.
Nov 12 05:22:14 <JenP_studying> hi all!
Nov 12 05:22:36 <kesne> Roy-Pre101: Seriously?
Nov 12 05:22:48 <Roy-Pre101> Yep:
Nov 12 05:22:52 <kesne> Hey JenP_studying
Nov 12 05:23:00 <Roy-Pre101> Roses are red, violets are blue, I updated this app, and sent it to you.
Nov 12 05:23:11 <JenP> hey kesne
Nov 12 05:23:12 <kesne> That's pretty week
Nov 12 05:23:23 <Roy-Pre101> weak, too!
Nov 12 05:23:25 * ElVox feels sick
Nov 12 05:23:29 <JenP> next time go goth...
Nov 12 05:23:35 <JenP> you'll get more attention
Nov 12 05:23:38 <kesne> I have a whole epic written, and it's about chuq
Nov 12 05:23:52 <JenP> lol
Nov 12 05:24:32 <kesne> Just waiting for an app to update
Nov 12 05:25:08 <kesne> I have two versions of it now
Nov 12 05:25:14 <kesne> One that I will post
Nov 12 05:25:18 <kesne> then I got carried away
Nov 12 05:25:25 <kesne> And wrote like three pages. 0.o
Nov 12 05:25:39 <ElVox> ahh, a "restraining order" edition eh?
Nov 12 05:26:30 <Roy-Pre101> that's what I was thinking...
Nov 12 05:26:31 <Roy-Pre101> :)
Nov 12 05:26:52 <JenP> kesne.....?????....should we worry...????
Nov 12 05:27:08 <kesne> No
Nov 12 05:27:20 <sugardave> "This is a tale of two apps....the last version, which sucked, and the new version which sucks less."
Nov 12 05:27:22 <kesne> Basically, I'm very creative
Nov 12 05:27:36 <kesne> xD
Nov 12 05:27:37 <JenP> sugardave that's awesome
Nov 12 05:29:08 <sugardave> I should have used that, but opted for the sterile and boring changelog
Nov 12 05:36:09 <ElVox> "This is an update to the catalog update approval submission application that I submitted previously to the palm application catalog for approval."
Nov 12 05:38:27 <Roy-Pre101> Boooooring
Nov 12 05:38:48 <Roy-Pre101> I even sent along a link to the dancing ferret video for good measure.
Nov 12 05:39:07 <kesne> xD
Nov 12 05:39:13 <kesne> I'll have to beat that now
Nov 12 05:39:21 <kesne> Maybe I will include my three page epic.
Nov 12 05:39:23 <kesne> Or a rant
Nov 12 05:39:42 <kesne> about how webOS sucks in some areas
Nov 12 05:40:06 <ACap> everyone's probably off reading about Droid...
Nov 12 05:44:47 <Roy-Pre101> Hmm, Mojo.Log.error not working on device in 1.3.1?
Nov 12 05:45:13 <sugardave> I never get log output on the device
Nov 12 05:45:16 <sugardave> it never happens
Nov 12 05:45:28 <sugardave> I;ve tried everything
Nov 12 05:47:27 <Roy-Pre101> Hmm, I need to debug sound issues on emulator.  I guess I'll figure out something.
Nov 12 05:47:54 <sugardave> also, I'm still not running 1.3.1 on my actual device
Nov 12 05:54:56 <_droO> ;o
Nov 12 05:58:53 <justin___> sugardave: you should be able to use palm-log to get all your logging
Nov 12 05:59:25 <incidentist> Roy-Pre101: I had issues with error log not outputting long strings
Nov 12 05:59:54 <Roy-Pre101> I'm doing short ones.  I just dumped to a div.
Nov 12 06:00:04 <Roy-Pre101> apparently you can't just reset the src for an audio object.
Nov 12 06:00:09 <incidentist> can anyone help me disable app menu items? specifically, disable the "help" item when help is the active scene?
Nov 12 06:00:18 <Roy-Pre101> Easy-peasy.
Nov 12 06:00:27 <justin___> Roy-Pre101: you can, you just have to call load() on the audio object after you do it
Nov 12 06:00:27 <Roy-Pre101> Check the wiki, I think I put it up there.
Nov 12 06:00:41 <Roy-Pre101> That was my next thing to try, justin___
Nov 12 06:01:09 <incidentist> awesome. i know i've read about it in a billion places but they all scurry away when i try to find them
Nov 12 06:01:10 <Roy-Pre101> Oddly, you don't have to call it the first time.  I wonder if it causes problems if you -do- call it the first time.
Nov 12 06:01:31 <Roy-Pre101> incidentist: Tell me if that's not what you needed.
Nov 12 06:01:58 <justin___> hmm, i don't think it would cause a problem if you called it the first time
Nov 12 06:02:08 <justin___> only one way to find out though :)
Nov 12 06:05:02 <Roy-Pre101> About to. :)
Nov 12 06:05:29 <Roy-Pre101> will have to disable music, close app, reopen app, start music.
Nov 12 06:05:40 <Roy-Pre101> Ah, .load() was the trick.
Nov 12 06:05:52 <Roy-Pre101> Match 'Em with rotating music.
Nov 12 06:05:59 <Roy-Pre101> XMas edition!
Nov 12 06:06:41 <Roy-Pre101> load works fine.
Nov 12 06:06:47 <Roy-Pre101> even first time
Nov 12 06:08:02 <Roy-Pre101> hmm...
Nov 12 06:08:51 <Roy-Pre101> note:  don't break program when removing try/catch.
Nov 12 06:08:59 <sugardave> heh
Nov 12 06:09:10 <incidentist> or ever, really
Nov 12 06:09:19 <incidentist> :P
Nov 12 06:09:28 <Roy-Pre101> Good point, I'm writing that down.
Nov 12 06:09:32 <sugardave> yeah, that doesn't seem to work for me...
Nov 12 06:10:31 <incidentist> Roy-Pre101: bless you and your useful wiki
Nov 12 06:10:54 <incidentist> it did the trick
Nov 12 06:11:06 <Roy-Pre101> You're most welcome.  I was proud of the menu example there.
Nov 12 06:20:41 <justint> what's the address of your wikit Roy-Pre101?
Nov 12 06:20:45 <justint> *wiki
Nov 12 06:22:38 <Roy-Pre101> http://webos101.com
Nov 12 06:22:57 <Roy-Pre101> grrr....  the mac has craptastically stopped responding to command-tab
Nov 12 06:23:03 <Roy-Pre101> And the dock isn't working
Nov 12 06:35:15 <Roy-Pre101> rebooting
Nov 12 07:08:48 <edektor> why is it that I cant use the download service to download an image to /media/internal/wallpapers then set it as my wallpaper
Nov 12 07:18:05 <Roy-Pre101> edektor: Dunno.  Does it download and not set as wallpaper or does it not download?
Nov 12 07:18:05 <Roy-Pre101> whoops.  I forgot to do the Wednesday news roundup.
Nov 12 07:18:05 <Roy-Pre101> I knew there was something I was forgetting.
Nov 12 07:18:07 <Roy-Pre101> ::mumble::
Nov 12 07:26:55 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: wIRC ;-)
Nov 12 07:27:08 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: Patches for 1.1.3 and 1.3.1
Nov 12 07:27:23 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: Preware splash screen for new users
Nov 12 07:27:37 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: PalmCast renamed DroidCast ;-)
Nov 12 07:27:38 <Roy-Pre101> Speaking of which... where'd the patch for app catalog downloads go?  I don't see it on my 1.3.1 phone
Nov 12 07:27:56 <Roy-Pre101> Is it just a version thing
Nov 12 07:28:12 <Roy-Pre101> no one done a 1.3.1 version?
Nov 12 07:28:23 <rwhitby> it's listed as 1.2.1 only at the moment
Nov 12 07:28:28 <Roy-Pre101> Mmm, OK.
Nov 12 07:28:46 <rwhitby> Maintainer = PreGame
Nov 12 07:29:16 <rwhitby> but it's MIT, so anyone can fix it if it needs fixing for 1.3.1
Nov 12 07:30:24 <Roy-Pre101> I would get on that if I didn't already have 6000 things to do.
Nov 12 07:31:43 <Roy-Pre101> woohoo, the xmas edition of Match 'Em is nearly ready.
Nov 12 07:35:01 <rwhitby> do javascript arrays start at 0 or 1 ?
Nov 12 07:36:14 <Roy-Pre101> 0
Nov 12 07:37:07 <rwhitby> thx
Nov 12 07:45:05 <Roy-Pre101> Wow, I'm so excited about the activity at webos101 yesterday.  :)
Nov 12 07:45:56 <Roy-Pre101> And, I know it's late because I totally forgot what I was doing.
Nov 12 07:59:48 <grndslm> so is there any way to play .mpg files??
Nov 12 08:00:04 <grndslm> i'm trying to get this damn porn to work...
Nov 12 08:00:45 <grndslm> and avi... w32codecs doesn't convert over, easily
Nov 12 08:01:21 <grndslm> soo... no video support?!?
Nov 12 08:14:58 <justin_> grndslm: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1752#Video-SupportedVideoFormats
Nov 12 08:20:21 <grndslm> so not even ogg??  that seems crazy
Nov 12 09:12:39 <devilx> morning. :-)
Nov 12 09:55:31 <rwhitby> mornig devilx
Nov 12 09:59:36 <duncanS> Hi. I have a list widget and am implementing an edit-in-place functionality. The default list mode is read-only, so the 'editable list' example in the UIWidgets sample app is not appropriate. I have gotten as far as using a Mojo.Event.hold to switch on the 'edit mode' for a specific row, have changed the row styling to show the row has 'focus' and set the text container to be contentEditable with the whole text selected by default. This wo
Nov 12 09:59:36 <duncanS> just fine. Clicking outside of the row, or using the back event will terminate the 'edit mode' and the list will go back to its default dtyling with the newly edited text. However, I am now trying to intercept the Enter key as another way of terminating edit-mode. The row text can only be single line, and I need to intercept the Enter key. Right now I can capture the enter key, and use it to close edit mode, BUT not before it has inserted 
Nov 12 09:59:37 <duncanS> carriage retrun into the text. Anyone know how I can prevent the contentEditable DIV from getting the Enter key? I capture using...    this.controller.listen(this.controller.document, Mojo.Event.keydown, this.keyHandler, true);
Nov 12 10:01:43 <rwhitby> anyone here suffering from the Preware hang problem, and want to test a new version that should fix it?
Nov 12 10:04:41 <joekinley> duncanS ... maybe just manually take away the last character from the value?
Nov 12 10:04:42 <devilx_> if anybody is interested, I've uploaded a TextMate Palm webOS Development Bundle to GitHub yesterday: http://github.com/devilx/palm-webos-development-tmbundle :-)
Nov 12 10:10:11 <duncanS> joekinley: good thinking. true enough that can work - I hadn't considered that - but isn't that an ugly fix since the process will be visible to the user.  I'm trying to understand where the event gets picked up by the contentEditable div and stop that from happening. Ideally I don't want to write additional code to undo something the framework has already done.
Nov 12 10:11:33 <joekinley> i have not worked that much with these filter stuff for lists, but could you maybe do it with that? or are these filters just style only? i think it were just functions that deal with the input. so maybe a filter could be great here?
Nov 12 10:17:06 <duncanS> joekinley: I haven't looked at list filters either. I'll take a look. Thanks for the suggestions.
Nov 12 10:17:34 <joekinley> no problem ;) i know the frustrations with lists good ;)
Nov 12 10:23:52 <rwhitby> devilx: are you the author of that textmate bundle?
Nov 12 10:24:16 <rwhitby> I guess so from the commits :-)
Nov 12 10:24:16 <devilx> rwhitby: jupp
Nov 12 10:24:44 <rwhitby> I use a mac, but haven't tried textmate yet.  I currently just run emacs in iTerm, cause I'm usually ssh'd into various machines.
Nov 12 10:24:59 <rwhitby> (including headless local virtual machines)
Nov 12 10:25:17 <devilx> Uh, emacs, okay. :-)
Nov 12 10:26:25 <rwhitby> oh, I use vi too.  and eclipse.
Nov 12 10:26:36 <rwhitby> they're all just tools, not religions ;-)
Nov 12 10:29:37 <karob0> I love webos
Nov 12 13:49:54 <devilx> Just updated the Palm webOS TextMate-bundle and included some Mojo Snippets. :-)
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