**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 19 02:59:57 2009
Nov 19 03:06:06 <Pre101> hah:  http://toki-woki.net/p/scroll-clock/
Nov 19 03:11:57 <zsoc> Pre101, the best the best the best
Nov 19 03:43:37 <ElVox_> hmm i can't sign up for palm developer's network because my first name has a hyphen in it...the error message I got from their site was a rather funny "Please enter alphabets in first Name"
Nov 19 03:44:18 <Piyush> test...
Nov 19 03:44:35 <Piyush> alrite. irc through the pre...nice
Nov 19 03:45:54 <zsoc> ElVox_, clearly your first name does not have any alphabets, that's offensive in some countries.
Nov 19 03:46:08 <zsoc> I'm going to ask you don't even say it in here.
Nov 19 03:49:07 <ElVox_> :( i want to have alphabets but my parents were neumeric
Nov 19 04:04:45 <Pre101> http://pre101.com/blog/2009/11/18/wednesday-news-roundup-pixi-webos-update/
Nov 19 04:05:18 * zsoc already read it
Nov 19 04:05:19 <Pre101> Feel free to tweet it about.
Nov 19 04:05:34 * zsoc has no twitter :P
Nov 19 04:05:35 <Pre101> (read:  Please retweet)
Nov 19 04:05:45 * zsoc tells a friend
Nov 19 04:12:20 <Pre101> :D
Nov 19 04:46:49 <atlanta> Did a partial erase and it fixed my app catalog issues
Nov 19 04:47:12 <atlanta> And it didn't delete my text and mems etc
Nov 19 04:47:39 <atlanta> I'm relieved
Nov 19 04:48:03 <Pre101> Hmm...
Nov 19 04:48:04 <incidentist> atlanta:  what were your issues? apps not showing?
Nov 19 04:50:42 <kmax12> how do I "unsetup" a widget?
Nov 19 04:54:34 <Pre101> kmax12: Not aware of any way to do it.
Nov 19 04:58:09 <Pre101> kmax12: Not aware of any way to do it.
Nov 19 04:58:15 <kmax12> humm
Nov 19 04:58:38 <rwhitby> Pre101: you missed Patching on Pixi with Preware
Nov 19 04:58:39 <kmax12> should I just hide set its visibility to hidden and create a new list?
Nov 19 04:58:39 <Pre101> The bigger question is why you would need to do it?
Nov 19 04:59:22 <kmax12> Pre101: I have an application that lists stuff. sometimes I want it listed alphabetically and sometimes I want it in a table of contents format
Nov 19 04:59:39 <kmax12> and I have a command menu that toggles between the two
Nov 19 05:00:03 <kmax12> so when you toggle i need to "unsetup" the old list and "resetup" the new list
Nov 19 05:00:16 <kmax12> i suppose I could just have two lists and just toggle visiblities, right?
Nov 19 05:00:17 <Pre101> rwhitby: Hmm, I thought about it but I figured everyone understands that you guys are so on the ball that it would just work.
Nov 19 05:00:25 <Pre101> That's what I'd do.
Nov 19 05:01:11 <rwhitby> Pre101: except those who use WOSQI to patch, where it's not working on the Pixi
Nov 19 05:01:28 <edektor> kmax12: just rearrange the listModel then call modelChanged
Nov 19 05:02:18 <Pre101> Well, we don't talk about that.
Nov 19 05:02:18 <Pre101> edektor: I'm supposing his attributes are different.
Nov 19 05:02:35 <edektor> oh
Nov 19 05:06:30 <kmax12> yeah they are
Nov 19 05:49:13 <kmax12> can you actually impletment a collapsoable divider autmatically with a mojo.list or do you need to stil set up a drawer widget
Nov 19 05:54:24 <pandora--> tonight... i hate xpath
Nov 19 05:54:31 <pandora--> grr
Nov 19 05:59:27 <synackfin> when will an alpha version of flash be available for webos?
Nov 19 06:31:34 <rick_home> before the end of the year
Nov 19 07:08:04 * sugardave emerges victorious through one refactoring.
Nov 19 08:10:30 <tarelerulz> What is it like to play movies on webos ?
Nov 19 08:11:17 <pandora--> like playing movies on any other LCD
Nov 19 08:14:21 <tarelerulz> Well does the movies player have feature you would expect . Like fast forward , pause , stop , next . Playlist
Nov 19 08:17:26 <pandora--> i don't think it has playlists
Nov 19 08:22:27 <tarelerulz> I read it just seem to ply .mp4 videos as of yet  for sure .  gstream means it should play anything it supports ,but any of you try anything like ogg
Nov 19 08:25:45 <punzada> it has pause/stop, a bar you can move back and forth for position
Nov 19 08:25:48 <punzada> no playlist suport
Nov 19 08:25:50 <punzada> support*
Nov 19 08:26:15 <punzada> and you can adjust between  two viewing modes
Nov 19 08:26:24 <punzada> a 'scretched' full screen
Nov 19 08:26:28 <punzada> and normal full screen
Nov 19 08:28:59 <tarelerulz> I have yet to get any phone and android dose not seem to have good media players So I thought since webos supported gstream I was hoping that meant it might have better media support
Nov 19 08:29:12 <punzada> it's limited right now
Nov 19 08:29:33 <punzada> mp4 containers, certain codecs, but since it's gstreamer it has room to grow
Nov 19 08:30:44 <punzada> not like you're able to throw xvid and such at it yet, no reason it shouldn't be able to down the line though
Nov 19 08:31:19 <tarelerulz> That is great if they do something with that.  mp4 is not the best container
Nov 19 08:31:34 <punzada> I'd like mkv support
Nov 19 08:31:48 <punzada> mkv, and avi just for compatibility reasons
Nov 19 08:32:01 <tarelerulz> You read my mind on mkv
Nov 19 08:32:49 <tarelerulz> mp4 support is great there are tones of ipod video floating around ,but mkv is one of the best ones I have used
Nov 19 08:34:27 <tarelerulz> There is really no reason it can't
Nov 19 13:02:42 <Mathieu_D> good morning folks
Nov 19 13:03:25 <Mathieu_D> I'm looking to find out how many concurrent request the palm pre browser can generates at a same time... any idea where I could find an answer on this?
Nov 19 13:15:38 <iDialekt> Hi
Nov 19 13:16:36 <Mathieu_D> hi
Nov 19 13:17:02 <iDialekt> Pre .., used one today at sprint
Nov 19 13:17:24 <iDialekt> Impressed because it was better than it was at launch
Nov 19 13:18:02 <punzada> even better with homebrew
Nov 19 13:21:06 <iDialekt> Why?
Nov 19 13:21:15 <iDialekt> What are the benefits ?
Nov 19 13:21:43 <iDialekt> All the animations kinda slow down performance of the phone
Nov 19 13:21:51 <iDialekt> I like quick snappy
Nov 19 13:57:07 <Mathieu_D> I'm looking to find out how many concurrent request the palm pre browser can generates at a same time... any idea where I could find an answer on this?
Nov 19 13:58:12 <bmyers_here> any FAILED_NOT_ENOUGH_INSTALL_SPACE experts awake yet?
Nov 19 14:25:42 <Mathieu_D> 10 years since I logged in IRC, and it hasn't really changed.....
Nov 19 14:26:06 <Mathieu_D> bot dropping and logging in... no real useful info..
Nov 19 14:26:28 <e_orbit> hi
Nov 19 14:27:48 <e_orbit> do somebody know that which provisioning the pre uses?
Nov 19 14:28:15 <e_orbit> does it support OMA provisioning?
Nov 19 14:31:18 <Pre101> bmyers_here: What's wrong?
Nov 19 14:32:48 <djk1> Just ran webosdoctor and running through the account sign on. The AOL one is not taking or even looking like it is attempting to sign on. Anyone else have this problem?
Nov 19 14:33:50 <Pre101> Mathieu_D: You'll probably have to run tests.  This is more for Mojo programming than browser stuff.  You might also ask in #webos-internals.
Nov 19 14:34:05 <ElVox_> mathieu, in the time it took you to whine on IRC, you could have written up a simple test web page and checked for yourself
Nov 19 14:38:44 <ElVox_> i hate that stupid virtual box update notice. Gorram it, Sunacle! This isn't a stupid postscript reader that should check for updates every couple of days.
Nov 19 14:41:54 <ElVox_> so when the emulator says that it sucessfully made me an account (running the first use thing) and then says that it backed up my settings to the cloud - it is lieing right?
Nov 19 14:44:02 <Pre101> dunno
Nov 19 14:46:24 <Roy-Pre101> glad you reminded me about virtualbox update.
Nov 19 14:52:09 <ElVox_> :)
Nov 19 14:52:27 <ElVox_> http://www.ribbonfarm.com/2009/10/07/the-gervais-principle-or-the-office-according-to-the-office/
Nov 19 14:52:38 <ElVox_> one of the best things on the internet ever
Nov 19 15:25:21 <atlanta> hey all
Nov 19 15:36:42 <bmyers_here> hi atlanta in fla.
Nov 19 15:36:50 <atlanta> bmyers_here: wsup my man
Nov 19 15:37:06 <bmyers_here> not much. just trying to stay warm up here.. hows fla?
Nov 19 15:39:54 <atlanta> its cool but not cold
Nov 19 15:40:08 <bmyers_here> yeah what like 70?
Nov 19 15:40:17 <atlanta> 73 now
Nov 19 15:40:18 <atlanta> 84 later
Nov 19 15:40:38 <bmyers_here> i'm crying for ya up here. youu better break out ur parka
Nov 19 15:40:48 <atlanta> lol
Nov 19 15:40:48 <atlanta> http://www.weather.com/weather/tenday/32801?from=36hr_fcst10DayLink_undeclared
Nov 19 15:40:55 <atlanta> little taste of what we getting this weekend
Nov 19 15:40:55 <CTLAdvance-work> bmyers
Nov 19 15:41:13 <CTLAdvance-work> bmyers have you got the icons to work or do you still need help
Nov 19 15:41:45 <bmyers_here> thanks for remembering that. i copied them from the sdk folder to my app
Nov 19 15:41:53 <CTLAdvance-work> ok
Nov 19 15:41:57 <bmyers_here> then decided they sucked and made my own anyway.
Nov 19 15:42:35 <bmyers_here> but ur supposed to me able to use those in app menus.
Nov 19 15:42:49 <bmyers_here> i dont see how unless you wrap them in webkit or something
Nov 19 15:42:54 <bmyers_here> i didnt get that part
Nov 19 15:45:32 <bmyers_here> http://www.weather.com/weather/local/12524
Nov 19 15:49:30 <atlanta> bmyers_here: damn
Nov 19 16:00:49 <bmyers_here> yeah.. last year i was in arizona.. its 76 there today.
Nov 19 16:19:39 <Roy-Pre101> bmyers_here: You need to move to Schenectady.
Nov 19 16:20:35 <Roy-Pre101> So you can be in zip 12345.  That's much cooler.
Nov 19 16:29:57 <Roy-Pre101> How's everyone today?
Nov 19 16:30:13 <atlanta> good urself
Nov 19 16:32:12 <chuqui> doing fine... morning, all.
Nov 19 16:33:55 <Roy-Pre101> Not too bad.
Nov 19 16:34:23 <sugardave> morning
Nov 19 16:36:41 <Roy-Pre101> Shall we take over the world now that we're all assembled?
Nov 19 16:36:54 <sugardave> wait, I haven't gotten my Dr. Pepper yet...
Nov 19 16:37:23 <sugardave> okay, go
Nov 19 16:38:53 <AtomicPlayboy> Mornin' chuqui
Nov 19 16:39:21 <chuqui> mornin'
Nov 19 16:39:22 <Roy-Pre101> Nevermind, I have to go out to lunch.  World domination cancelled.
Nov 19 16:41:22 <Roy-Pre101> Have the henchmen killed, we'll recruit a new bunch next time.
Nov 19 16:49:00 <Roy-Pre101> Hmm, selected lunch spot has 24! pages of health violations....
Nov 19 16:50:00 <Roy-Pre101> Maybe another spot is in order.
Nov 19 16:50:34 <mikewx> i can't go to lunch, my pre is showing me a picture of a large ic and a bold arrow :)
Nov 19 16:53:52 <mikewx> is get.preware.org still the best way to get preware? I notice their exe hasn't been updated since Nov 8th
Nov 19 16:54:59 <atlanta> i believe it pulls the latest ipkg
Nov 19 16:55:15 <mikewx> ah ok
Nov 19 17:07:27 <Mark_Milliman> It is quiet in here this morning
Nov 19 17:09:37 <Mark_M> My root file system is 100% full. Does anyone have any idea why it is so full?
Nov 19 17:17:02 <DavidSzp> Has anyone seen the issue in 1.3.1 where new calendar (and possibly contact) entries created on the Pre with an Exchange account never sync to Exchange? It seems to be widespread, is it a confirmed bug and is there anything in the works anyone knows of?
Nov 19 17:17:45 <Mark_M> DavidSzp, I don't use an Exchange server.
Nov 19 17:18:01 <AtomicPlayboy> It does appear to be a widespread issue.
Nov 19 17:18:06 <AtomicPlayboy> Don't know about a fix though.
Nov 19 17:18:36 <DavidSzp> I have five Pre users, two definitely with the issue and the others untested. I have a friend with a client that has two Pre's, both affected
Nov 19 17:19:21 <DavidSzp> If it is indeed an issue with all Pre's, I'm surprised Palm hasn't warned people not to update and/or hasn't released a fix since it's a major, major issue. Even if it's not everyone!
Nov 19 17:19:49 <Ghost-7> what's that DavidSzp
Nov 19 17:20:02 <en0x> sometimes i dont have notifications for emails in 1.3.1
Nov 19 17:20:04 <mikewx> yeah, well let me tell you palm's profile backup sucks
Nov 19 17:20:09 <en0x> the notification sounds popup
Nov 19 17:20:17 <en0x> but not notification icon
Nov 19 17:20:22 <DavidSzp> Ghost-7: 1.3.1 Palm firmware won't add new calendar items to Exchange accounts
Nov 19 17:20:28 <mikewx> I just lost all my memos except 1, my email accounts nor my calendar accounts work
Nov 19 17:20:45 <DavidSzp> Per at least two of my five users, and per clients of a friend of mine, and per a thread on precentral.net too
Nov 19 17:20:54 <Ghost-7> sup en0x
Nov 19 17:20:56 <mikewx> and my contacts gonet oo
Nov 19 17:21:05 <en0x> Ghost-7, not much
Nov 19 17:21:09 <DavidSzp> http://www.precentral.net/undocumented-webos-131-features search the page for "calendar" to find the comment thread
Nov 19 17:21:26 <AtomicPlayboy> DavidSzp It's working for me. Are these users selecting the Exchange calendar before adding entries?
Nov 19 17:21:53 <DavidSzp> AtomicPlayboy: Yes, one user only has an Exchange calendar, and the other one has Google calendars but Exchange one doesn't work, even moving an event between calendars.
Nov 19 17:21:55 <AtomicPlayboy> I added an entry but it defaulted to my Yahoo calendar.
Nov 19 17:22:08 <Ghost-7> does anyone no if you can compile a eggdrop with the Pre ??
Nov 19 17:22:08 <DavidSzp> I watched him do the test the other day
Nov 19 17:22:17 <AtomicPlayboy> They may not be saving to the Exchange calendar, they may be saving to the Palm default calendar.
Nov 19 17:22:28 <DavidSzp> nope, it's the Exchange one
Nov 19 17:23:02 <DavidSzp> It shows entries from Outlook if they were created in Outlook, but add a new one to the same calendar on the Pre and it shows up just fine on the Pre, but never syncs to Exchange
Nov 19 17:23:18 <DavidSzp> was working just fine before 1.3.1
Nov 19 17:23:52 <AtomicPlayboy> Did they try deleting and re-creating their Exchange ActiveSync profiles on their phones?
Nov 19 17:23:57 <Ghost-7> en0x: do you no if you can compile a eggdrop with the Pre ?
Nov 19 17:23:58 <AtomicPlayboy> Sometimes that fixes it.
Nov 19 17:24:09 <DavidSzp> AtomicPlayboy: One of them did, yes, no change
Nov 19 17:24:23 <en0x> Ghost-7, loool u ppl dont have anything better to do? :P probably u can or maybe it is in optware feed
Nov 19 17:24:49 <AtomicPlayboy> Then it might be an issue with how ActiveSync is communicating. If you have access to the Exchange server, have you tried refreshing the profile? (I don' tknow what that entails, I don't administer our Exchange server here.0
Nov 19 17:24:56 <en0x> ok lunch time bbl
Nov 19 17:26:08 <DavidSzp> AtomicPlayboy: Both users have re-added their Exchange profiles actually, just confirmed, no fix
Nov 19 17:26:28 <DavidSzp> for one user I deleted the sync partnership in Exchange (I run the Exchange server) and it was recreated on next sync, no fix
Nov 19 17:26:40 <DavidSzp> it's Exchange 2010
Nov 19 17:27:09 <AtomicPlayboy> That might be it then.
Nov 19 17:27:11 <AtomicPlayboy> We use 2007.
Nov 19 17:27:42 <AtomicPlayboy> We experienced no issues upgrading to 1.3.1 with 2007.
Nov 19 17:27:55 <AtomicPlayboy> So something broke in 1.3.1 talking to 2010.
Nov 19 17:27:55 <DavidSzp> I'm thinking about migrating one user back to my 2007 server (have to maintain it for my one Blackberry user for now) and having him test
Nov 19 17:28:03 <AtomicPlayboy> Try it, see what happens.
Nov 19 17:29:36 <DavidSzp> about to start the move for this user
Nov 19 17:30:05 <DavidSzp> annoyingly, means he has to readd the account, the 2010 redirect doesn't work on the Pre to 2007 (it does for PalmOS devices just fine)
Nov 19 17:51:39 <DavidSzp> user moved to Exchange 2007 and EAS account recreated on phone with new hostname, calendar items created on the Pre still don't sync to Exchange
Nov 19 17:56:39 <atlanta> back
Nov 19 18:39:46 <d03boy> is anyone familiar with the old problem the email app had that it didnt work with imap encryption?
Nov 19 18:39:50 <d03boy> it seems to have come back
Nov 19 18:41:28 <d03boy> SSL certificate error
Nov 19 18:46:54 <AtomicPlayboy> chuqui hasn't come back yet, has he?
Nov 19 18:47:16 <gkatsev> AtomicPlayboy: come back here?
Nov 19 18:47:23 <AtomicPlayboy> At all.
Nov 19 18:47:27 <gkatsev> no, but apprently, he's back on the internet
Nov 19 18:47:28 <AtomicPlayboy> he disconnected a few hours ago.
Nov 19 18:47:30 <gkatsev> he just tweeted
Nov 19 18:47:40 <AtomicPlayboy> Yeah i saw that.
Nov 19 18:47:53 <AtomicPlayboy> I can wait.
Nov 19 18:48:39 <AtomicPlayboy> Nobody in here knows anything about PmWiFiService, do they?
Nov 19 18:48:40 <AtomicPlayboy> Do...ye?
Nov 19 18:58:12 <dBsooner-work> Adora: ping
Nov 19 18:58:19 <Adora> dBsooner-work: PONG
Nov 19 18:58:31 * AtomicPlayboy ducks flying balls.
Nov 19 18:58:46 <dBsooner-work> Adora: what is the # for technical support @ PALm?
Nov 19 18:58:58 <Adora> I...........dunno
Nov 19 18:59:03 <AtomicPlayboy> ...
Nov 19 18:59:04 <dBsooner-work> I have this blasted "SIgned Out: You are no longer signed in to your palm profile on this phone."
Nov 19 18:59:12 <Adora> oooh.
Nov 19 18:59:21 <dBsooner-work> and I can't do anything. I have hit "Erase All Data" like 5 times. and it comes back to this screen.
Nov 19 18:59:23 <Adora> that happens when your profile is registered on another device
Nov 19 18:59:38 <dBsooner-work> my profile shows no devices registerd
Nov 19 18:59:45 <Adora> mmm
Nov 19 18:59:50 <dBsooner-work> How do I fix it?
Nov 19 18:59:53 <dBsooner-work> I changed my email in the palm server
Nov 19 19:00:04 <dBsooner-work> and now my login doesn't show my device as being registered.
Nov 19 19:00:08 <en0x> do partial erase :p
Nov 19 19:00:16 <dBsooner-work> en0x: I can't get to that screen
Nov 19 19:00:26 <dBsooner-work> en0x: All I can hit are Just Restart and Erase All Data
Nov 19 19:00:30 <Adora> have you searched on the palm support forum yet?
Nov 19 19:00:33 <dBsooner-work> oh.. and the little phone button
Nov 19 19:00:41 <Adora> as far as I know, that's front line...but I'm doing some checking
Nov 19 19:01:33 <dBsooner-work> Front line as in, call Sprint?
Nov 19 19:01:41 * dBsooner-work doesn't like that option BTW...
Nov 19 19:01:58 <Adora> http://kb.palm.com/wps/portal/kb/na/pre/p100eww/sprint/supportservices/page_en.html
Nov 19 19:02:41 <Adora> the palm support forum is front line for software stuff
Nov 19 19:02:58 <Adora> this says to call sprint, but I don't think they'll be able to do anything that you haven't already done
Nov 19 19:03:08 <dBsooner-work> i know
Nov 19 19:03:18 <dBsooner-work> my device doesn't show up in my profile
Nov 19 19:03:21 <dBsooner-work> so who has control over that?
Nov 19 19:04:28 <dBsooner-work> There used to be a help # to call Palm Support
Nov 19 19:04:32 <dBsooner-work> not Sprint support, but palm.
Nov 19 19:04:40 <Adora> on that page, there is
Nov 19 19:04:43 <Adora> but it's $15
Nov 19 19:05:17 <dBsooner-work> lord
Nov 19 19:05:29 * Adora doesn't like that option, either
Nov 19 19:05:32 <dBsooner-work> How can it cost me $15 when its a problem in the Palm servers?
Nov 19 19:06:08 <Adora> there may be a refund process if the problem is on palm's side, I have nooooooo idea
Nov 19 19:06:17 <Adora> and chuq is, well...fuzzy and sparkly at the moment
Nov 19 19:06:33 <dBsooner-work> what's that mean? :D
Nov 19 19:06:34 <ctladvance-lunch> why is chuq sparkly
Nov 19 19:06:53 <ctladvance-lunch> is he like cheezing or something?
Nov 19 19:07:19 <gkatsev> his eyes are dialated
Nov 19 19:07:25 <gkatsev> or however you spell it
Nov 19 19:07:34 <dBsooner-work> dilated
Nov 19 19:07:37 <gkatsev> he was at the eye doctor, apparently
Nov 19 19:07:43 <ctladvance-lunch> ah
Nov 19 19:07:55 <ctladvance-lunch> always fun
Nov 19 19:09:02 <Adora> http://forums.palm.com/palm/board/message?board.id=webossoftware&message.id=9506&query.id=85024#M9506
Nov 19 19:09:09 <Adora> dBsooner-work: try that
Nov 19 19:09:11 <Adora> it sounds like fun
Nov 19 19:09:32 <Adora> (if that's the same problem you're having)
Nov 19 19:10:06 <AtomicPlayboy> So chuq is "indisposed."
Nov 19 19:11:52 <dBsooner-work> Adora: Thanks dear.
Nov 19 19:12:01 <dBsooner-work> Adora: headed to sprint store that my buddy owns.
Nov 19 19:12:08 <dBsooner-work> So i can get on wifi and find out my ip address
Nov 19 19:12:19 * dBsooner-work has no way of gaining command line without knoing IP
Nov 19 19:12:50 <Adora> oh snap
Nov 19 19:12:51 <Adora> hahaha
Nov 19 19:13:00 <AtomicPlayboy> No novaterm?
Nov 19 19:13:03 <d03boy> whatismyip.com
Nov 19 19:13:05 <Adora> well how did that guy do it?
Nov 19 19:13:09 <dBsooner-work> work laptop
Nov 19 19:13:12 <AtomicPlayboy> Ah.
Nov 19 19:13:13 <dBsooner-work> d03boy: can't get to a browser
Nov 19 19:14:16 <dBsooner-work> i'll probably novaterm.. but I have to get to his office to get to a desktop/laptop that I have admin privelages on
Nov 19 19:14:47 <dBsooner-work> and if that doesn't fix it.. I'll make him swap it out
Nov 19 19:14:53 <dBsooner-work> I am almost 100% sure I know what caused this
Nov 19 19:14:57 <dBsooner-work> and we need to talk to Chuq about it
Nov 19 19:15:11 <dBsooner-work> because it could be a big big bug
Nov 19 19:15:11 <dBsooner-work> :D
Nov 19 19:15:17 <Adora> oh, joy
Nov 19 19:15:19 <Adora> hehehe
Nov 19 19:15:28 <AtomicPlayboy> (And not being able to configure wifi isn't?)
Nov 19 19:15:28 <dBsooner-work> so go get Chuq and you can translate to him
Nov 19 19:15:29 * sugardave gets the big big can of Raid.
Nov 19 19:15:30 <AtomicPlayboy> :P
Nov 19 19:15:31 <dBsooner-work> :D
Nov 19 19:15:52 <Adora> I'd have to use big sock puppets
Nov 19 19:16:03 <dBsooner-work> so just read to him
Nov 19 19:16:03 <dBsooner-work> :D
Nov 19 19:16:27 <AtomicPlayboy> "Once upon a time there was this guy named dBsooner-work..."
Nov 19 19:16:33 <dBsooner-work> yep, I know the problem
Nov 19 19:16:38 <dBsooner-work> errr, what caused it.
Nov 19 19:16:47 <dBsooner-work> But fixing it is gonna be rough
Nov 19 19:17:01 <AtomicPlayboy> What was the problem?
Nov 19 19:20:03 <dBsooner-work> Follow me:
Nov 19 19:20:14 <dBsooner-work> I have phone with this.email@domain1.com
Nov 19 19:20:50 * AtomicPlayboy nods.
Nov 19 19:20:53 <dBsooner-work> registerd with*
Nov 19 19:21:05 <dBsooner-work> i webosDoctor it
Nov 19 19:21:09 * AtomicPlayboy nods
Nov 19 19:21:15 <dBsooner-work> I didn't want my old programs in there, and stuff..
Nov 19 19:21:21 <dBsooner-work> plus I had a new email
Nov 19 19:21:30 * AtomicPlayboy nods
Nov 19 19:21:34 <dBsooner-work> so I "created new" with <email@domain2.com>
Nov 19 19:21:45 <dBsooner-work> did all my junk, etc.
Nov 19 19:22:16 <dBsooner-work> then.. i was like.. well, I don't want the profile <this.email@domain1.com> there anymore
Nov 19 19:22:16 <dBsooner-work> on the palm servers..
Nov 19 19:22:18 <dBsooner-work> And I couldn't find a "delete" anywhere..
Nov 19 19:23:13 <dBsooner-work> so i was like.. I wonder what happens if I go into the properties/settings of <this.email@domain1.com> on the palm website and "change" the email there to <email@domain2.com>... I ASSUMED it would say "THat email is already in use"
Nov 19 19:23:15 <egaudet_work> 
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Nov 19 19:23:19 <dBsooner-work> Instead.. it CHNAGED it
Nov 19 19:23:33 <AtomicPlayboy> Awesome.
Nov 19 19:23:44 <dBsooner-work> so basically i bet both of them are still there on the palm servers
Nov 19 19:23:48 <dBsooner-work> competing for each other
Nov 19 19:24:10 <dBsooner-work> and the OLD one <this.email@domain1.com> has my device id attached to it.. stealing it from <email@domain2.com>
Nov 19 19:24:25 <dBsooner-work> but I can't log into <this.email@domain1.com> because that email has been CHANGED to <email@domain2.com>
Nov 19 19:24:37 <dBsooner-work> and when I log into <email@domain2.com> it doesn't show my device
Nov 19 19:24:47 <dBsooner-work> so it shoudl ahve NEVER allowed me to change my email to an existing email
Nov 19 19:24:59 <AtomicPlayboy> So Palm needs to delete one of them on their server.
Nov 19 19:25:10 <dBsooner-work> shrug
Nov 19 19:25:11 <dBsooner-work> dunno
Nov 19 19:25:53 <dBsooner-work> Adora: Your thoughts?
Nov 19 19:26:26 <AtomicPlayboy> I don't think it would be too much hassle for Palm to delete one (or both) profiles and let you start over.
Nov 19 19:26:33 <Adora> that...could be plausible
Nov 19 19:26:47 <dBsooner-work> Adora: but it shouldn't be able to happen
Nov 19 19:27:13 <AtomicPlayboy> yeah, there needs to be a check.
Nov 19 19:27:22 <AtomicPlayboy> If email exists, don't change/create email.
Nov 19 19:29:50 <egaudet_work> !ping
Nov 19 19:31:02 <AtomicPlayboy> Come to think of it, there are a few changes Palm could stand to make on the profile system.
Nov 19 19:31:10 <AtomicPlayboy> Like, "Last Backup Date"
Nov 19 19:31:20 <AtomicPlayboy> And "Remove device from list"
Nov 19 19:31:47 <AtomicPlayboy> My old, run-over-by-a-bus phone is still in there.
Nov 19 19:32:04 <AtomicPlayboy> So Palm thinks I have two Pre's.
Nov 19 19:32:09 <gkatsev> lol
Nov 19 19:38:34 <sos_> Does anyone know if it's possible to access the microphone in WebOS, or if it's in development?
Nov 19 19:44:17 <atlanta> nope
Nov 19 19:44:20 <atlanta> not currently
Nov 19 19:44:41 <atlanta>  we got an audio service but zsoc hasnt optimize it in the right mux container yet
Nov 19 19:45:28 <dBsooner-work> FYI: ##RTN# didn't fix it
Nov 19 19:48:34 <sos_> atlanta: thanks for that - is it safe to say that it won't be released in the next couple of months?
Nov 19 19:49:04 <atlanta> well are u making it for the official catalog
Nov 19 19:49:04 <atlanta> ?
Nov 19 19:49:37 <sos_> eventually yes, but could easily develop as a com.palm app until it's released officially
Nov 19 19:50:02 <atlanta> well no because this method requires a custom service one of the guys made so it wont be able to go in the app catalog
Nov 19 19:50:12 <atlanta>  until palm releases an official one which could be months
Nov 19 19:50:12 <atlanta> lol
Nov 19 20:02:04 <fez252> anyone know where depots are stored? internal or external?
Nov 19 20:04:50 <fez252> wondering if its possible to force it to be external using "ext:"
Nov 19 20:16:31 <jcrawford> so Templarian made me switch to Komodo and also just made the move to Ubuntu :)
Nov 19 20:16:50 <jcrawford> now i just wish Komodo IDE would suit my work needs but for now have to use Netbeans
Nov 19 20:18:35 <Templarian> Yea, will be nice when they update the stuff, should make it way more like a full blown IDE.
Nov 19 20:20:23 <jcrawford> yea i hope they do i mean the only issue i have is with remote development netbeans works perfect for that
Nov 19 20:20:43 <jcrawford> i checkout the repo on my machine and netbeans uploads every file to the remote dev machine, then when i save files it uploads them again
Nov 19 20:20:55 <jcrawford> all automatic so that i can make sure all works on the dev environment :)
Nov 19 20:21:06 <jcrawford> if it did that i would have it expensed by now lol
Nov 19 20:21:25 <jcrawford> funny that an open source ide has the capabilities but Komodo, Eclipse, Zend do not
Nov 19 20:24:02 <Templarian> Usually they like to be light weight... something more an add-on would do.
Nov 19 20:29:38 <dBsooner-work> Wow.. What an answer from Palm Chat..
Nov 19 20:29:45 <dBsooner-work> "There is no way to "delete" your profile."
Nov 19 20:30:38 <Templarian> Why would you ever delete it?
Nov 19 20:30:57 <dBsooner-work> cuz I don't need it.. and I can't "sign into it".
Nov 19 20:30:59 <en0x> hmm i think there is
Nov 19 20:31:24 <dBsooner-work> nope, palm chat guy said you can't delete it.
Nov 19 20:31:25 <en0x> look at thi
Nov 19 20:31:26 <en0x> s
Nov 19 20:31:33 <en0x> go to backup app
Nov 19 20:31:37 <en0x> turn it to off
Nov 19 20:31:38 <dBsooner-work> en0x: I can't
Nov 19 20:31:39 <en0x> and it will say
Nov 19 20:31:46 <dBsooner-work> en0x: I can't SIGN IN
Nov 19 20:31:56 <en0x> your data in ur palm profile will also be erased
Nov 19 20:31:57 <en0x> hmm
Nov 19 20:32:03 <en0x> well then sucks to be u
Nov 19 20:33:23 <Templarian> Surely they can help you to sign in?
Nov 19 20:41:09 <dBsooner-work> Heh.
Nov 19 20:41:12 <dBsooner-work> so I fixed it myswelf.
Nov 19 20:41:22 <gkatsev> dBsooner-work: how?
Nov 19 20:41:22 <dBsooner-work> but Chuq and I will need to talk later.
Nov 19 20:41:54 <dBsooner-work> logged into my profile @ palm.com
Nov 19 20:42:14 <grndslm> dBsooner-work: you saw my response in #webos-internals
Nov 19 20:42:22 <grndslm> you prolly don't have the EV icon up top?
Nov 19 20:42:32 <mikewx> i'm really starting to hate palm
Nov 19 20:42:36 <dBsooner-work> grndslm: yes I do.. it has nothing to do with that.
Nov 19 20:43:06 <grndslm> interesting... that was my prob
Nov 19 20:43:14 <mikewx> I dr'ed to 1.3.1 today, my profile didn't restore, their online chat people are idiots reading from a (poor) script
Nov 19 20:43:26 <grndslm> had to click "update network settings"
Nov 19 20:43:29 <mikewx> now contacts refuses to sync with google
Nov 19 20:43:34 <dBsooner-work> grndslm: Nothing to do with that.
Nov 19 20:43:40 <mikewx> </rant>
Nov 19 20:43:40 <gkatsev> mikewx: s/read/copy\/pasting/
Nov 19 20:43:41 <grndslm> palm.com instead
Nov 19 20:43:43 <grndslm> gotcha
Nov 19 20:44:05 <gkatsev> dBsooner-work: so, you logged into it, then what?
Nov 19 20:44:07 <dBsooner-work> grndslm: no
Nov 19 20:44:09 <mikewx> gkatsev: in that case whoever wrote the script needs spellcheck too
Nov 19 20:44:14 <gkatsev> lol
Nov 19 20:44:34 <gkatsev> well, if they are not copy/pasting then they need help
Nov 19 20:44:43 <dBsooner-work> gkatsev: changed my email from <email@domain2.com> back to <this.email@domain1.com>
Nov 19 20:44:51 <dBsooner-work> then did "Create new profile" on the Pre
Nov 19 20:44:51 <gkatsev> ah, and it worked?
Nov 19 20:44:58 <dBsooner-work> and put in <email@domain2.com>
Nov 19 20:45:11 <dBsooner-work> so that other profile is borked
Nov 19 20:49:11 <mikewx> i've been a palm user since the pilot 1000, this cloud bs is just bs. I want a desktop app that i sync against, i want the ability to blow away my palm profile on a whim, because i'm 100% sure thats' where my corruption is.
Nov 19 20:49:33 <dBsooner-work> yep, that's where mine was.
Nov 19 20:49:42 <dBsooner-work> once I created new profile = no more issue.
Nov 19 20:50:12 <mikewx> the backup failed on restore, and does every time i hard reset
Nov 19 20:50:17 <mikewx> and it leaves the pre in some corrupt state
Nov 19 20:50:32 <dBsooner-work> mikewx: change your email @palm.com
Nov 19 20:50:36 <dBsooner-work> then recreate your profile
Nov 19 20:51:06 <mikewx> i believe if i turn off the backup app it will delete the backup on palm's website adn then if i hard reset it should be clean as well
Nov 19 20:51:27 <mikewx> but that's plan f or g or somesuch
Nov 19 20:52:56 <gkatsev> mikewx: get the backup app from homebrew, its its released yet. precentral had a story about it
Nov 19 20:53:49 <mikewx> sigh
Nov 19 20:54:01 * mikewx misses his own backup app that worked. 100% of the time
Nov 19 20:54:43 <mikewx> No, you don't. You're reading from a bloody script and i'm sick of it. i've spent 5 hours on this today.
Nov 19 20:54:49 <mikewx> wrong window.
Nov 19 20:55:11 <gkatsev> lol
Nov 19 20:55:37 <dBsooner-work> lol
Nov 19 20:55:39 <dBsooner-work> mikewx is in a chat
Nov 19 20:55:53 <mikewx> yes
Nov 19 20:55:58 <mikewx> and on my last nerve as you can see
Nov 19 20:56:05 <dBsooner-work> yeah
Nov 19 20:56:08 <dBsooner-work> I had to remove my battery
Nov 19 20:56:14 <mikewx> did that with the last guy~
Nov 19 20:56:25 <mikewx> he closed my ticket as soon as email wroked and told me i'd lost my contacts and memos forever
Nov 19 20:56:39 <mikewx> he may be right about my memos but my contacts are still quite happy on google's server
Nov 19 20:57:36 <dBsooner-work> 2:51 PM Nadal: However, I have confirmed with my supervisor that the profile once created can't be deleted as it stays forever.
Nov 19 20:57:50 <mikewx> lol
Nov 19 20:57:57 <mikewx> 2:54 PM Sergio: Let me check this issue with my supervisor.
Nov 19 20:58:05 <mikewx> 2:57 PM Sergio: hi Michael please give me a few minutes to research this for you
Nov 19 20:58:41 <dBsooner-work> the profile stays forever
Nov 19 21:00:48 <mikewx> he's back to conferring with his supervisor. god help them both
Nov 19 21:01:13 <dBsooner-work> yeah, I dropped the name Lisa Brewster..
Nov 19 21:01:23 <dBsooner-work> they were like, Who?
Nov 19 21:01:29 * Adora snorts
Nov 19 21:01:46 <dBsooner-work> so I said, "Adora?"
Nov 19 21:01:51 <dBsooner-work> they were like.. OHHH>. that girl
Nov 19 21:01:59 <mikewx> they're prolly in some shared callcenter with 20 or so served companies, and they get their script based on what companies server generates teh request
Nov 19 21:02:07 <mikewx> 2:57 PM Sergio: hi Michael please give me a few minutes to research this for you
Nov 19 21:02:11 <mikewx> 3:01 PM Sergio: I believe this is an issue with 1.3.1
Nov 19 21:02:11 <mikewx> 3:02 PM Sergio: We have heard from other customers who have experienced this
Nov 19 21:02:39 <dBsooner-work> lol
Nov 19 21:02:57 <dBsooner-work> Adora: Let me know if Chuq gets his eyes back.
Nov 19 21:04:11 <Adora> he's still not here
Nov 19 21:07:35 <gkatsev> wow, pixi is free and pre is $50 on wirefly
Nov 19 21:07:44 <Roy-Pre101> Grr.  My app -still- shows as Being Reviewed.
Nov 19 21:07:44 <gkatsev> (guessing with new contract)
Nov 19 21:10:11 <Roy-Pre101> And my handler didn't respond to my e-mail yesterday.  Time to keeeeeel.
Nov 19 21:11:07 <mikewx> woo gotta love this: 3:10 PM Sergio: I suggest you to please revert back to Web OS 1.2.1 version and check If you are abnble to Sync Google contacts in Palm Pre.
Nov 19 21:11:46 <Adora> oh dear
Nov 19 21:11:46 <Roy-Pre101> mikewx: Don't you like being special?
Nov 19 21:11:50 <Adora> please, just please make it stop
Nov 19 21:12:32 <lyht> Roy-Pre101, you and me both.  I am getting to where I hate the phrase "Being Reviewed"
Nov 19 21:13:35 <bryanroth> Being Reviewed
Nov 19 21:13:56 <bryanroth> I think I will enjoy that phase...
Nov 19 21:13:56 <Roy-Pre101> Adora: Would it help if I had Starbucks delivered to Christine?
Nov 19 21:13:59 <lyht> (covers ears) Can't hear you!
Nov 19 21:14:13 <bryanroth> BEING REVIEWED
Nov 19 21:14:15 <bryanroth> lol ;)
Nov 19 21:14:17 <Adora> Roy-Pre101: yes, it absolutely would
Nov 19 21:14:35 <Adora> she sits in building 1 4th floor
Nov 19 21:14:42 <gkatsev> lol
Nov 19 21:14:46 <lyht> yah, the first time was so awesome, but now it make me cry. Queued for review too.
Nov 19 21:15:05 <Adora> I hear she's partial to soy chai lattes
Nov 19 21:15:45 <dBsooner-work> lol
Nov 19 21:15:45 <Roy-Pre101> I need a case of caffe latte stat!  Scratch that, soy chai latte!
Nov 19 21:16:02 <Adora> oh, and just ignore that the cube says Lisa Brewster
Nov 19 21:16:07 <Adora> that's an administrative error
Nov 19 21:16:13 <lyht> hahahaha
Nov 19 21:16:14 <Adora> Christine really sits here
Nov 19 21:16:22 <Adora> there
Nov 19 21:16:25 <Adora> she really sits there
Nov 19 21:16:31 <dBsooner-work> Adora: I would buy you dinner for giving me that link to fix my issue, but I don't want to make anyone jealous. ;)
Nov 19 21:16:57 <Adora> dBsooner-work: of course not  :)
Nov 19 21:17:35 <dBsooner-work> It did work though. Changing those settings in the database got me past the infinite loop.
Nov 19 21:18:14 <dBsooner-work> PLus it sure would be a long flight just to buy dinner.
Nov 19 21:18:14 <Roy-Pre101> Lisa, maybe I should send you some Ramen.
Nov 19 21:18:30 <Roy-Pre101> dBsooner-work: Worth it!
Nov 19 21:18:45 <dBsooner-work> Roy-Pre101: Yeah, but I can't make her head TOO big at once.
Nov 19 21:18:52 <dBsooner-work> I gotta ease into it.
Nov 19 21:19:11 <Roy-Pre101> She's female, there's no upper bound on that.  ;D
Nov 19 21:19:21 <dBsooner-work> true
Nov 19 21:20:31 <dBsooner-work> I wonder what it feels like to be drooled over by an entire development community?
Nov 19 21:20:31 <Roy-Pre101> And now, I suggest we run away before we're punished.
Nov 19 21:20:40 <dBsooner-work> NOW we should run.
Nov 19 21:21:24 <mikewx> 3:21 PM Dave: Hi Michael
Nov 19 21:21:24 * bryanroth shouts BEING REVIEWED
Nov 19 21:21:43 * mikewx resists the urge to say "Good Morning Dave"
Nov 19 21:21:43 <gkatsev> lol
Nov 19 21:21:46 <gkatsev> do it
Nov 19 21:21:52 <gkatsev> "i cant let you do that dave"
Nov 19 21:22:02 <mikewx> they want logs of my phone
Nov 19 21:22:13 <mikewx> i didn't know my phone kept logs, prolly why i was out of space
Nov 19 21:22:27 <gkatsev> lol
Nov 19 21:22:37 <mikewx> ok
Nov 19 21:22:50 <oldschool123321> hay
Nov 19 21:23:03 <mikewx> hey, cool ##logs#
Nov 19 21:24:42 * lyht curls up in a protective ball, and rocks back and forth. whimpers.
Nov 19 21:29:42 * google-fail SHOUTS HELLO WORLD!... um irc
Nov 19 21:30:14 * google-fail throws rolls of foil into the room
Nov 19 21:30:27 <MashM> does anyone know how to extract the fullPath returned by the pickFile method?
Nov 19 21:30:37 <google-fail> yep
Nov 19 21:30:39 <MashM> without using string operations
Nov 19 21:30:50 <google-fail> we just assigned it to an object
Nov 19 21:30:59 <mikewx> damn. now i want to know what's in those logs
Nov 19 21:31:09 <lyht> mikewx, rooted your phone?
Nov 19 21:31:17 <mikewx> I just looked at them on the media drive, they're encrypted with blowfish
Nov 19 21:31:28 <lyht> really? Which logs?
Nov 19 21:31:38 <gkatsev> lyht: ##logs#
Nov 19 21:32:03 <mikewx> it's 996kb of ascii-armored encrypted data
Nov 19 21:32:10 <lyht> gkatsev, I am not familiar with that command, I assume it pulls some logs and encrypts them. Which ones?
Nov 19 21:32:19 <google-fail> MashM
Nov 19 21:32:20 <google-fail> fileinfo = file;
Nov 19 21:32:28 <google-fail> =D
Nov 19 21:32:30 <google-fail> good luck
Nov 19 21:32:40 <MashM> will try, thanks ;)
Nov 19 21:32:47 <google-fail> one sec
Nov 19 21:32:49 <gkatsev> lyht: no clue...
Nov 19 21:33:02 <mikewx> heh, it included secretkey.ssl in the tarball
Nov 19 21:33:11 <Adora> around you guys, I bet a dollar it won't be encrypted for long...
Nov 19 21:33:21 <lyht> haha. It could just be /var/log/message*
Nov 19 21:33:39 <google-fail> MashM in app-assistant set this up: fileinfo = {};
Nov 19 21:33:39 <google-fail> fileinfo.fullPath = "";
Nov 19 21:33:39 <google-fail> fileinfo.iconPath = "";
Nov 19 21:33:39 <lyht> since it seems that just about everything shows up in there.
Nov 19 21:34:00 <google-fail> Thats all I am allowed to say
Nov 19 21:34:07 <gkatsev> well, if its the secretkey to the encryption, it wont be. but if we dont have the key, then its not gonna happen. unless it like 4bit blowfish
Nov 19 21:34:53 <lyht> mikewx, ssh into your phone and copy /var/log/message* to your media drive... there are probably 4 or 5 files. I am guessing that is what got grabbed.
Nov 19 21:36:37 <google-fail> Bing
Nov 19 21:36:57 <google-fail> MashM did you get that?
Nov 19 21:37:36 <AtomicPlayboy> Adora: Just one dollar?
Nov 19 21:38:09 <google-fail> Everyone lets not unencrypt it so we all make a dollar from adora
Nov 19 21:38:19 <MashM> yeah I got it, thanks man
Nov 19 21:38:25 <google-fail> np
Nov 19 21:38:48 <gkatsev> yeah, get the cypher text without decrypting it, lol
Nov 19 21:38:53 <google-fail> We might be able to get the dollar from adora by usning tinfoil balls
Nov 19 21:39:13 <google-fail> then we can decrypt it
Nov 19 21:39:26 <mikewx> that's a very verbose log
Nov 19 21:42:34 <lyht> you crack it open?
Nov 19 21:42:46 <Adora> google-fail: hahahah
Nov 19 21:43:32 <mikewx> yeah
Nov 19 21:44:41 <lyht> is it all the background stuff, or just a specific process?
Nov 19 21:45:17 * lyht cracks open his wallet and hands Adora a dollar
Nov 19 21:46:07 * Adora puts the dollar on her head
Nov 19 21:48:34 <mikewx> take that dollar back, i didn't open any encryption i was just lookin at /var/logs/messages*
Nov 19 21:48:57 * lyht rips the dollar off Adora's head
Nov 19 21:49:06 <Templarian> mikewx: Komodo parses that log for you into a readable alternative.
Nov 19 21:49:58 <Templarian> (if you already using Komodo, just type "log" or "log appid"
Nov 19 21:50:00 <Templarian> )
Nov 19 21:50:14 <lyht> mikewx, yah, those logs include everything that is going on. Errors, messages, everything. I think my phone rotates the logs a couple times a day, they are so active.
Nov 19 21:50:22 <MashM> quick question, whats the use of the $ operator when accessing DOM elements?
Nov 19 21:50:37 <Templarian> $ isn't an operator.
Nov 19 21:50:40 <MashM> ie. $('message').innerHTML = xx; vs this.controller.get('message').innerHTML
Nov 19 21:50:45 <Templarian> It's a function.
Nov 19 21:50:54 <MashM> my bad, fuction
Nov 19 21:51:10 <MashM> is it a differnet scope?
Nov 19 21:51:22 <Templarian> It's just a rebinded easier scope.
Nov 19 21:51:36 <Templarian> (it does more but that's the basic, all JS frameworks do something similar)
Nov 19 21:51:42 <gkatsev> $ is prototype
Nov 19 21:52:30 <MashM> gkatsev, meaning?
Nov 19 21:52:31 <MashM> :-)
Nov 19 21:52:40 <gkatsev> prototype framework
Nov 19 21:52:43 <Templarian> We don't have to show the edit on the application menu if the scene has no textboxes right?
Nov 19 21:52:47 <MashM> ahhh kkk
Nov 19 21:52:49 <MashM> err... ok
Nov 19 21:53:00 <gkatsev> $ is the function you use to get access to prototype
Nov 19 21:53:16 <MashM> ahh ok, thanks
Nov 19 21:53:17 <lyht> Templarian, I think they want it every time, just disabled
Nov 19 21:53:44 <lyht> "Required:  The app menu must contain the standard Edit as the first item and Help last item."
Nov 19 21:53:45 <Templarian> That's retarded... I'm going to not include it and see if they bitch.
Nov 19 21:54:08 <Adora> Templarian: we will
Nov 19 21:54:13 <lyht> haha
Nov 19 21:54:18 <mikewx> no komodo here
Nov 19 21:54:19 <m55> is there a quick way to get the application title in mojo?
Nov 19 21:54:21 <Templarian> lol.
Nov 19 21:54:41 <m55> or do you have to do an AJAX open file call?
Nov 19 21:54:50 <lyht> I had one squeek by with-out the help menu in there on the help scene, but another got flagged.
Nov 19 21:54:55 <Templarian> Adora: Oh they are going to have fun when they meet the first application that doesn't uses another framework than Mojo.
Nov 19 21:55:13 <Templarian> that uses another**
Nov 19 21:58:23 <Adora> Templarian:  we're already preparing for that
Nov 19 21:58:53 <Adora> we call them "immersive apps"
Nov 19 21:59:05 <Adora> chuq posted some guidelines a while back
Nov 19 21:59:37 <Templarian> Yea, but my app looks exactly like Mojo still. Just a different framework.
Nov 19 21:59:54 <Templarian> It doesn't even include the Mojo js file.
Nov 19 22:01:05 <Templarian> I think the imersive apps that chuq referred to still had the base mojo, but were pure canvas based.
Nov 19 22:02:23 <gkatsev> Templarian: what are you using?
Nov 19 22:02:52 <Templarian> My own framework. I had you look at it already it's what will be running the WoW armory application.
Nov 19 22:03:20 <gkatsev> oh, right. well, you didnt show me the actual code, lol.
Nov 19 22:04:14 <Templarian> I haven't pinned down the entire framework so I'm limiting the scope of it at first.
Nov 19 22:05:53 <kmax12> hey, is there anyone in here that is looking to do some freelance programming? I am writing an app, but I have limited amounts of time and would like to hire someone to assist me with it. the job is basically programming a calculator. I have a bunch if medical equations and they need to be converted into a easy to enter webos app
Nov 19 22:14:37 <Roy-Pre101> kmax12: I often do that.  My plate is a little full right now, though.
Nov 19 22:16:56 <kmax12> Roy-Pre101: maybe think about and get back to me if you're interested. I have a client and I want to try and get them a final product as soon as possible
Nov 19 22:17:28 <Roy-Pre101> Tell you what, get my app out of 'being reviewed' and I'll do anything. :P
Nov 19 22:17:55 <kmax12> would talking to my handler for you help you out at all
Nov 19 22:22:29 <kmax12> Roy-Pre101: I could send you the equations that I have that need to be formatted
Nov 19 22:22:44 <kmax12> depending on how fast you work it might not b that time consuming
Nov 19 22:28:58 <ElVox_> haha i'm working on...a calculator...i have spent the last week updating the BigDecimal library for javascript to get some unlimited precision log()'s and pow()'s in there
Nov 19 22:31:44 <ElVox_> i should make this updated lib a github project or something...it seems like a lot of web apps in the future might have a need for *accurate* maths. might be good to get other to contribute to it
Nov 19 22:41:21 <Roy-Pre101> kmax12: Alrighty.  pre101@pre101.com
Nov 19 22:42:04 * ElVox_ cheers
Nov 19 22:45:29 * ElVox_ wants the mouse pointer "touch screen" effect from the emulator on my regular desktop
Nov 19 22:48:15 <cashen> got a few google wave invites left, anyone need one?
Nov 19 22:52:35 <Dremel> hows it going folks?
Nov 19 23:10:17 <Templarian> When is the sources.json parsed and loaded in?
Nov 19 23:12:12 <Templarian> (nvm, figured it out)
Nov 19 23:13:42 <lyht> Templarian, what's the answer?
Nov 19 23:14:47 <Templarian> Oh it works just like my framework, it loads them only when needed rather than all at startup (though mine is sexier).
Nov 19 23:16:45 <Templarian> Might need a Palm dev to tell me what the critical error "fileindexer[1018]: Failed to get path details" means. It's causing my app to hang on startup.
Nov 19 23:17:16 <Templarian> Couldn't find anything about it while searching.
Nov 19 23:19:36 <lyht> Mmmm....
Nov 19 23:19:48 * lyht strokes gotee thoughtfully
Nov 19 23:20:03 <bmyers_here> wsup?
Nov 19 23:20:40 <dBsooner-work>  Adora: I need your help
Nov 19 23:20:56 <dBsooner-work> please come here.
Nov 19 23:33:01 <google-fail> Whats up
Nov 19 23:35:38 <natenrb9> So I want to play background music quietly and then have sound effects that are louder on a game.  Using an audio object is there a way to control its volume? or what would be the best way to do this?
Nov 19 23:37:38 <Roy-Pre101> Anyone know how to remove themes?  Got a tweet from someone needing help/tutorial on removing them.  Should be easy to undo any installation using the tool he used to install it... but apparently not.
Nov 19 23:39:45 <natenrb9> roy-pre101: what did they use to install it?
Nov 19 23:39:55 <Roy-Pre101> Trying to find out now.
Nov 19 23:41:09 <Roy-Pre101> natenrb9: Use audacity to lower its volume?
Nov 19 23:42:34 <natenrb9> roy-pre101: lol, that is exactly what I decided to do…in audacity now!
Nov 19 23:48:10 <natenrb9> roy-pre101: what is an audio files playing volume called?  what would I change to have it default to play quieter…?  can't seem to find what to change...
Nov 19 23:54:57 <lyht> natenrb9, in audacity? gain, I think.
Nov 19 23:55:23 <natenrb9> lhyt: just found it, thanks though!
Nov 20 00:04:32 <Roy-Pre101> It's amplification.
Nov 20 00:13:50 <kesne> G'day
Nov 20 00:22:25 <natenrb9> has anyone figured out a good way to loop a sound file?  I did this: this.audioObj = new Audio();
Nov 20 00:22:25 <natenrb9>    this.audioObj.addEventListener(Media.Event.X_PALM_CONNECT, this.audioIsReady);
Nov 20 00:22:25 <natenrb9>    this.audioObj.addEventListener(Media.Event.X_PALM_DISCONNECT, this.audioIsGone);
Nov 20 00:22:25 <natenrb9>    this.audioObj.addEventListener(Media.Event.ENDED, this.audioRepeat);
Nov 20 00:22:26 <Roy-Pre101> hehe:  read the reviews: http://www.amazon.com/Tuscan-Whole-Milk-Gallon-128/dp/B00032G1S0
Nov 20 00:22:35 <natenrb9> but there is a huge pause in between...
Nov 20 00:23:55 <natenrb9> oh, I found out about this method of "looping" here: http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2392&p=8739&hilit=repeat+audio#p8739
Nov 20 00:23:56 <Roy-Pre101> natenrb9: Yep, that's what we got.
Nov 20 00:24:17 <google-fail> Hello Kesne
Nov 20 00:24:20 <natenrb9> roy-pre101: as in, that's the only option you know of?
Nov 20 00:24:30 <kesne> google-fail: do I know you?
Nov 20 00:25:06 <google-fail> You might
Nov 20 00:25:23 <kesne> google-fail: tip me in here?
Nov 20 00:25:26 <supercat1> on win7 64bit do i need to install both the 64bit and 32bit sdks?
Nov 20 00:25:32 <supercat1> <- kn00b
Nov 20 00:25:40 * google-fail is google fail
Nov 20 00:25:48 <google-fail> =]
Nov 20 00:25:52 <kesne> psh
Nov 20 00:25:57 <kesne> Do you know who I am?
Nov 20 00:26:09 <google-fail> Yes, google knows all
Nov 20 00:26:31 <google-fail> =] I have all of your information on an indexed cd I stole from hq
Nov 20 00:26:32 <Roy-Pre101> Roy-Pre101: There are other options I don't know about but I don't know about them, obviously, or I'd know about them.
Nov 20 00:26:32 <Roy-Pre101> oops, talking to myself.
Nov 20 00:26:44 <google-fail> jk
Nov 20 00:26:52 <google-fail> I do know about youe main gf
Nov 20 00:27:01 <kesne> hmm
Nov 20 00:27:04 <kesne> sounds like Leon
Nov 20 00:27:13 <kesne> though, I've also told freakout
Nov 20 00:27:20 <kesne> AHA!
Nov 20 00:27:22 <kesne> I KNEW IT
Nov 20 00:27:32 <natenrb9> roy-pre101: ha!
Nov 20 00:27:51 <natenrb9> does anyone out there know a good way to loop audio tracks…?
Nov 20 00:27:58 <CTLAdvance-work> yes
Nov 20 00:28:02 <kesne> Do tell
Nov 20 00:28:05 <kesne> I also need to know
Nov 20 00:28:35 <natenrb9> ctlAdvance-work: yes, share with us…!
Nov 20 00:29:43 <CTLAdvance-work> audio.loop = true
Nov 20 00:29:51 <kesne> audio objects?
Nov 20 00:30:14 <CTLAdvance-work> all you need to know : http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-html5-20090212/video.html#audio
Nov 20 00:30:38 <CTLAdvance-work> and here http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1540
Nov 20 00:30:39 <Roy-Pre101> CTLAdvance-work: AFAIK that doesn't work with webOS.
Nov 20 00:30:52 <CTLAdvance-work> ah have you tried it?
Nov 20 00:30:53 <Roy-Pre101> Unless you know something we don't.
Nov 20 00:31:39 <CTLAdvance-work> if you use an html 5 audio div element, you should be able to as far as I know
Nov 20 00:31:40 <Roy-Pre101> forum articles indicated it did not work.
Nov 20 00:31:44 <CTLAdvance-work> hmm
Nov 20 00:32:05 <incidentist> it didn't work on 1.2, haven't heard of it being fixed on 1.3
Nov 20 00:32:08 <natenrb9> CTLAdvance-work: yeah, didn't work...
Nov 20 00:32:57 <incidentist> never assume that any advanced HTML5 stuff works according to w3c spec in webOS: canvas, css3, audio/video tags, svg, etc
Nov 20 00:34:06 <natenrb9> incidentist: you did card and word ace right?
Nov 20 00:34:19 <incidentist> yar
Nov 20 00:34:29 <CTLAdvance-work> duh I know that, I have been doing circles around the canvas tag... to make up some similar functionality for our app
Nov 20 00:34:45 <CTLAdvance-work> ok
Nov 20 00:34:50 <CTLAdvance-work> I know autoplay works
Nov 20 00:35:02 <natenrb9> incidentist: I was just going to ask you about your sound…but it just plays once on the homescreen...
Nov 20 00:35:06 <CTLAdvance-work> Then you would need to use the audio service
Nov 20 00:35:35 <natenrb9> yeah, autoplay works
Nov 20 00:35:38 <natenrb9> audio service?
Nov 20 00:35:47 <CTLAdvance-work> The audio service can queue up the same file if needed, thats if it doesnt have a loop feature
Nov 20 00:35:50 <CTLAdvance-work> yep
Nov 20 00:36:04 <CTLAdvance-work> Its the audio service in the API
Nov 20 00:36:05 <incidentist> natenrb9: yeah, we figure that after that it gets stuck in your head and you don't need to bother looping it on the device.
Nov 20 00:36:08 <CTLAdvance-work> doesnt use a div element
Nov 20 00:36:34 <natenrb9> incidentist: gotcha
Nov 20 00:36:46 <CTLAdvance-work> Its implemented in the audio object in the services example app
Nov 20 00:37:04 <natenrb9> does it loop an audio object?
Nov 20 00:37:44 <CTLAdvance-work> Not sure if there is a loop back feature but you can queue up the sound multiple times and it also is implemented with listeners etc, so you could just replay there
Nov 20 00:38:01 <CTLAdvance-work> So it would keep moving through the queue
Nov 20 00:38:08 <CTLAdvance-work> look at the services api for audio
Nov 20 00:39:17 <natenrb9> what a shame loop doesn't work...
Nov 20 00:41:02 <CTLAdvance-work> WOOT - 107k ads served today!
Nov 20 00:41:28 <bmyers_here> geeze.. what program?
Nov 20 00:41:40 <natenrb9> CTLAdvance-work: from an app?
Nov 20 00:41:46 <CTLAdvance-work> 2 soundboards - Duke Nukem and South Park
Nov 20 00:41:48 <CTLAdvance-work> yep
Nov 20 00:42:01 <natenrb9> cool
Nov 20 00:42:03 <droO> damn
Nov 20 00:42:08 <droO> im bout to start making soundboards :X
Nov 20 00:42:10 <CTLAdvance-work> only 6k dlds between them
Nov 20 00:42:18 <natenrb9> you only get paid when people click though right?
Nov 20 00:42:22 <CTLAdvance-work> yep
Nov 20 00:42:24 <droO> supposed to ;p
Nov 20 00:42:27 <CTLAdvance-work> =]
Nov 20 00:42:32 <droO> when "people" click
Nov 20 00:42:32 <natenrb9> how many clicks?
Nov 20 00:42:32 <CTLAdvance-work> Dont waste your time
Nov 20 00:42:32 <droO> haha
Nov 20 00:42:32 <droO> D:
Nov 20 00:42:55 <CTLAdvance-work> let me see
Nov 20 00:43:22 <bmyers_here> admob?
Nov 20 00:43:50 <zsoc> 107k adds in a webos app is worth about... $64 to an add agency. If I had to guess.
Nov 20 00:44:04 <droO> id guess less ;p
Nov 20 00:44:20 <CTLAdvance-work> Today was a good day ~$5
Nov 20 00:44:25 <zsoc> If they could prove that they are being served to the save 6k people, it'd probably be worth $6.40 :P
Nov 20 00:44:38 <CTLAdvance-work> your close
Nov 20 00:44:56 <CTLAdvance-work> 66% fill rate = ~$5
Nov 20 00:45:09 <zsoc> CTLAdvance-work, You're probably the first person to make consistent money in the webos environment.
Nov 20 00:45:35 <droO> besides whats his name
Nov 20 00:45:36 <droO> :X
Nov 20 00:45:36 <CTLAdvance-work> nah bytesequencing has an ad sourced bubble popper game
Nov 20 00:45:41 <CTLAdvance-work> with over 100k dlds
Nov 20 00:45:42 <droO> said was making $60-100 on one app
Nov 20 00:45:49 <droO> daily*
Nov 20 00:45:53 <CTLAdvance-work> I am surethey are close to 1mil fills a day
Nov 20 00:46:05 <zsoc> I used to manage advertising accounts.. back when there were respectable CPM rates and people understood the value of targeted advertising
Nov 20 00:46:21 <CTLAdvance-work> nice
Nov 20 00:47:00 <zsoc> CTLAdvance-work, you use a single advertiser?
Nov 20 00:47:02 <CTLAdvance-work> I am not sure if I can send these to the app catalog as one is a south park soundboard and obv I dont own the content
Nov 20 00:47:16 <CTLAdvance-work> I am using admob for simplicity
Nov 20 00:47:20 <zsoc> ah ok
Nov 20 00:47:40 <natenrb9> CTLAdvance-work: yeah, I don't think they would be accepted...
Nov 20 00:47:51 <CTLAdvance-work> I dont see why I couldnt though as there are many adsourced websites hosting the sound files
Nov 20 00:49:41 <droO> make a universal soundboard
Nov 20 00:49:49 <droO> with links u can put in for preset packs ;o
Nov 20 00:49:53 <zsoc> droO, shhhhhhh
Nov 20 00:49:54 <zsoc> :P
Nov 20 00:49:59 <droO> lol
Nov 20 00:50:03 <droO> sry;o
Nov 20 00:50:16 <zsoc> kidding
Nov 20 00:50:45 <zsoc> CTLAdvance-work, i may be wrong.. but i'm 99% sure it's against the TOS of your ad firm to ask your users to click ads
Nov 20 00:50:51 <droO> anyone used view menus much?
Nov 20 00:51:33 <CTLAdvance-work> Thats already in the works dro0
Nov 20 00:51:54 <CTLAdvance-work> package downloader we have been testing for a while
Nov 20 00:52:25 <CTLAdvance-work> I didnt ask them
Nov 20 00:52:34 <CTLAdvance-work> It made a statement
Nov 20 00:52:58 <CTLAdvance-work> =]
Nov 20 00:53:36 <zsoc> Oh, ok. sorry.
Nov 20 00:54:33 <CTLAdvance-work> sugardave is the one who cheats the ad providers :p
Nov 20 00:55:12 <zsoc> lol
Nov 20 01:00:08 <kesne> YO DAWG!
Nov 20 01:00:39 <kesne> where is Adora where you need her?
Nov 20 01:00:55 <Adora> kesne:  sorry, I was hanging out with your mom
Nov 20 01:00:56 <Adora> what's up?
Nov 20 01:01:11 <zsoc> kesne, Yo Dawg, I heard you like mudkips
Nov 20 01:01:18 <kesne> Adora: was that supposed to be a your mom joke?
Nov 20 01:01:26 <kesne> zsoc: I LOVE MUDKIPS!
Nov 20 01:01:36 <CTLAdvance-work> Adora likes your mom... what?!?!
Nov 20 01:01:44 <zsoc> Adora, I, for one, enjoyed your kesne's mom joke
Nov 20 01:01:50 <CTLAdvance-work> me two
Nov 20 01:01:56 <kesne> me three?
Nov 20 01:02:01 <kesne> but let's move on
Nov 20 01:02:03 <CTLAdvance-work> thats what she said
Nov 20 01:02:10 <zsoc> I find kesne's mom to be a pleasant person, I could not fault anyone for hanging out with her.
Nov 20 01:02:29 <CTLAdvance-work> She's my cross the country squeeze
Nov 20 01:02:32 <CTLAdvance-work> jk
Nov 20 01:02:50 <CTLAdvance-work> this isnt the water cooler people
Nov 20 01:03:14 <kesne> Adora: I'm trying to not be racist with an app name, but do you think Yo Dawg would be concitered racist?
Nov 20 01:03:25 <CTLAdvance-work> Yes
Nov 20 01:03:32 <Adora> what's teh app do?
Nov 20 01:03:34 <CTLAdvance-work> Your not randy jackson
Nov 20 01:03:41 <CTLAdvance-work> thats tm
Nov 20 01:03:44 <kesne> Spit out a random phrase
Nov 20 01:03:51 <kesne> That's slang-themed
Nov 20 01:04:01 <Adora> such as?
Nov 20 01:04:01 <kesne> Slang and gangster, but we only advertise slang...
Nov 20 01:04:05 <kesne> uh
Nov 20 01:04:21 <CTLAdvance-work> I knew what you are kesne... I called it the other day
Nov 20 01:04:22 <kesne> HO'S - Dis be yo sista, foo!
Nov 20 01:04:24 <CTLAdvance-work> thats funnyt
Nov 20 01:04:44 <Adora> umm
Nov 20 01:04:46 <Adora> you're kidding, right?
Nov 20 01:04:51 <CTLAdvance-work> yes
Nov 20 01:04:55 <kesne> Yeah
Nov 20 01:04:58 <kesne> on that one, yes
Nov 20 01:05:19 <kesne> I don't have the phrase sheet in front of me
Nov 20 01:05:25 <CTLAdvance-work> Can U submit an app that teaches people how to speak words in hindi
Nov 20 01:05:39 <CTLAdvance-work> I have some good ones
Nov 20 01:05:39 <kesne> Credit me yo dawg ai'ght G home word biatch ho hizzle in the pizzle fizzle izzle MC hammer coke in my Colt 40 tru representin' my homies on the block in the hood in the ghetto
Nov 20 01:05:42 <kesne> How is that?
Nov 20 01:05:56 <kesne> (just kidding)
Nov 20 01:06:03 <Adora> ...
Nov 20 01:06:05 <CTLAdvance-work> Bhan Chud
Nov 20 01:06:15 <kesne> but Adora, overall, would it denied?
Nov 20 01:06:22 <cashen> that new engadget site blow!
Nov 20 01:06:31 * CTLAdvance-work cough kesne = wangster cough
Nov 20 01:06:42 <CTLAdvance-work> cashen I agree
Nov 20 01:06:45 <Adora> it depends on the context of the app
Nov 20 01:07:07 <kmax12> kense: what is the point of the app?
Nov 20 01:07:11 <Adora> but just that phrase by itself, I don't think there would be a problem
Nov 20 01:07:24 <kesne> okay
Nov 20 01:13:47 <Giotto> hey
Nov 20 01:14:24 <Giotto> When I try to test for the Pixi resolution, the emulator doesn't wants to start up with the correct resolution. I did what the docs said, still it doesn't work. (on OS X) Anybody knows what to do?
Nov 20 01:14:42 <CTLAdvance-work> Buy a PC?
Nov 20 01:14:51 <CTLAdvance-work> ;l)
Nov 20 01:15:29 <Giotto> I'm on a f*cking island in Panama, next idea? :D :D
Nov 20 01:15:31 <bmyers_here> low blow..
Nov 20 01:15:54 <Giotto> nearest pharmacy is 30 minutes by boat, nearest PC shop, no idea
Nov 20 01:16:00 <CTLAdvance-work> hmm
Nov 20 01:16:07 <CTLAdvance-work> Any mac users here?
Nov 20 01:16:09 <bmyers_here> error log?
Nov 20 01:16:21 <bmyers_here> mac osx is linux under the covers..
Nov 20 01:16:31 <rwhitby> Giotto: are you running the 1.3.1 emulator?
Nov 20 01:17:02 <rwhitby> Giotto: it has the option to start one of two resolutions when run the Palm Emulator app - it ends up installing two separate virtual machines in virtualbox
Nov 20 01:17:06 <natenrb9> Giotto: are you running leopard?
Nov 20 01:17:29 <rwhitby> Giotto: works fine here on MacOSX SL
Nov 20 01:17:33 <destinal> bmyers_here: uh, mach microkernel and freebsd userland  =  not like linux
Nov 20 01:17:36 <Giotto> checking the logs
Nov 20 01:17:54 <natenrb9> giotto: yeah, first things first get sdk 1.3.1
Nov 20 01:18:05 <natenrb9> or verify that you have it
Nov 20 01:18:10 <Giotto> ok. yeah I'm using the old sdk :P
Nov 20 01:18:32 <bmyers_here> well, i;ve been doing linux since kernel 0.93. when i tried osx, it didnt look to complicated.
Nov 20 01:19:01 <Giotto> thanks for the tip, wanted to avoid that because the download speed here is not so great
Nov 20 01:19:12 <destinal> bmyers_here: it's a unix workalike as is linux, so for users, yeah, it's similar
Nov 20 01:19:46 <bmyers_here> ok. u r right. lets see if we can help this guy..
Nov 20 01:19:58 <rwhitby> Giotto: yeah, don't know how to get the old one to change res, sorry.
Nov 20 01:20:18 <CTLAdvance-work> airdrop a pc
Nov 20 01:20:23 <CTLAdvance-work> ;)
Nov 20 01:20:37 <CTLAdvance-work> jk
Nov 20 01:20:37 <bmyers_here> cant u config the virtual machine to the specs u want?
Nov 20 01:20:44 <rwhitby> bmyers_here, destinal: we helped him already while you guys were comparing OS knowledge sizes ;-)
Nov 20 01:20:53 <Giotto> you did, that was a useful tip :) I'm downloading the new SDK, will see if it works :)
Nov 20 01:20:56 <CTLAdvance-work> Does the OSX vm let you pic which vm to use
Nov 20 01:21:02 <bmyers_here> i was trying to help the guy.. thats all..
Nov 20 01:21:04 <CTLAdvance-work> for 1.3
Nov 20 01:21:16 <rwhitby> CTLAdvance-work: yep
Nov 20 01:21:20 <CTLAdvance-work> Nice
Nov 20 01:21:27 <CTLAdvance-work> So he should be ok with the new sdk
Nov 20 01:21:32 <Giotto> I did what the docs said, it just didn't take effect when starting the emulator
Nov 20 01:21:50 <Giotto> I was using v1.2.0.33 of the SDK
Nov 20 01:21:59 <Giotto> hopefully it'll work with the new on
Nov 20 01:21:59 <Giotto> e
Nov 20 01:22:20 <CTLAdvance-work> Hey Adora
Nov 20 01:22:24 <CTLAdvance-work> You still here
Nov 20 01:22:48 * CTLAdvance-work holds up shiny thing (the Adora Symbol)
Nov 20 01:23:08 * Adora comes swooping in like a savior in the night
Nov 20 01:23:10 <Adora> you rang?
Nov 20 01:23:24 <CTLAdvance-work> Yes a question similar to kesnes
Nov 20 01:23:27 <bmyers_here> do it again.. i wasnt watching.
Nov 20 01:23:53 <CTLAdvance-work> Would an app that blurts out swear words be accepted? It wouldnt aim them at someone like you... just the word
Nov 20 01:24:19 <Adora> what swear words?
Nov 20 01:24:25 <Adora> (yes, it's relevant)
Nov 20 01:24:27 <Adora> hehehe
Nov 20 01:24:52 <CTLAdvance-work> Ass, Shit, Crap, Bastard, Damn, maybe the F word, and Tits
Nov 20 01:25:08 * CTLAdvance-work spits with my sailor mouth
Nov 20 01:25:36 <CTLAdvance-work> Sorry thats what was requested
Nov 20 01:25:44 <Adora> some of those are ok
Nov 20 01:25:56 <Adora> I'd have to get clarification on the whole list, though
Nov 20 01:26:15 <CTLAdvance-work> Shall I send an email on the app?
Nov 20 01:26:16 <bmyers_here> is there a blessed list of wear words in the SDK?
Nov 20 01:26:26 <bmyers_here> is there a blessed list of swear words in the SDK?
Nov 20 01:26:55 <Adora> and they'd probably all be allowed eventually, but right now there's no content filtering (pg-13 section vs rated r section)
Nov 20 01:27:16 <CTLAdvance-work> So no fword
Nov 20 01:27:39 <CTLAdvance-work> Should I send an email on what we are looking to do
Nov 20 01:27:40 <Adora> but yeah, send me the app please
Nov 20 01:28:09 <CTLAdvance-work> sure - ill send the ipk in the next day or so :) I must advise to be careful when you get it
Nov 20 01:28:16 <CTLAdvance-work> It can cause trouble
Nov 20 01:28:25 <Adora> I'll keep that in mind  =]
Nov 20 01:28:32 * Adora reviews during all hands meeting
Nov 20 01:28:49 <CTLAdvance-work> haha... yeah but if you set it wrong... oh you;; find out
Nov 20 01:28:57 <CTLAdvance-work> ;)
Nov 20 01:29:07 <Adora> sounds exciting, hahaah
Nov 20 01:29:15 <rwhitby> all hands meeting - that sound ominous
Nov 20 01:32:10 <Giotto> ehh, download time is 4 hours :P
Nov 20 01:32:17 <Giotto> no app submission today :/
Nov 20 01:32:50 <rwhitby> Giotto: email it to Adora to test for you during the all hands meeting ;-)
Nov 20 01:33:13 <CTLAdvance-work> What app is Giotto making
Nov 20 01:36:22 <CTLAdvance-work> I like big butts and I can not lie, but when Adora walks in I die
Nov 20 01:36:34 <CTLAdvance-work> Sorry song is stuck in my head for some reason
Nov 20 01:36:42 <Giotto> lol
Nov 20 01:48:21 <kmax12> I asked this earlier, but pherhaps there is a different crowd around now...is there anyone in here that is looking to do some freelance programming? I am writing an app, but I have limited amounts of time and would like to hire someone to assist me with it. the job is basically programming a calculator. I have a bunch if medical equations and they need to be converted into a easy to enter webos app
Nov 20 01:48:42 <CTLAdvance-work> sure whats up
Nov 20 01:53:51 <Adora> god...
Nov 20 01:53:53 <Adora> grr
Nov 20 01:53:55 <Adora> my computer just crashed while I was loading a new firmware image
Nov 20 01:54:09 * Adora goes to give the doctor a piece of her mind
Nov 20 01:54:39 <CTLAdvance-work> ugh
Nov 20 02:02:48 <rwhitby> Adora: PC or Mac ?
Nov 20 02:02:54 <Adora> mac
Nov 20 02:03:28 <rwhitby> webOS Doctor crashed it?  wow, I doctor a lot on the mac and have never seen that.
Nov 20 02:03:42 <Adora> wasn't using webos doctor  =]
Nov 20 02:04:00 * rwhitby nods and winks
Nov 20 02:09:28 <Roy-Pre101> Adora: My mac crashed from a bad USB cable to the Pre.
Nov 20 02:10:39 <rick-wirc> eevening all
Nov 20 02:10:39 <Roy-Pre101> If it comes back up and says novaterm was responsible you may want to replace the usb cable.
Nov 20 02:11:13 <rick-wirc> roy ... no answer yet.
Nov 20 02:11:15 <Adora> I couldn't find anything telling in Console
Nov 20 02:11:22 <Adora> and it didn't even crash crash
Nov 20 02:11:26 <Adora> just...logged out
Nov 20 02:11:43 <Adora> while I was working on a spreadsheet
Nov 20 02:14:34 <Roy-Pre101> Anyone know who Jason Bobkin is?
Nov 20 02:14:34 <Roy-Pre101> afk
Nov 20 02:24:02 <rick-wirc> never heard of him
Nov 20 02:27:13 <d03boy> can anyoen confirm that the palm.com/palmprofile actually sends an email when login fails X times? I have never received an email and dont know my pw
Nov 20 02:31:49 <Scaredy> you tried the "forgot password" link I assume?
Nov 20 02:32:08 <Adora> man, I still love HaveFun.mp4
Nov 20 02:32:18 <Adora> confession:  it made me tear up a bit the first time I saw it
Nov 20 02:32:29 <d03boy> Scaredy, yes.... it asks me to put in my email address and then it doesnt send me an email. My spam filter is turned off
Nov 20 02:35:17 <nicocin> d03boy: Are you sure that the email address you typed in is the one that you used when you created your palm profile account?
Nov 20 02:35:31 <d03boy> yes
Nov 20 02:36:04 <d03boy> is there a way to be 100% sure?
Nov 20 02:37:04 <d03boy> well, the email doesnt go to any of my accounts that I might have used so its a moot point
Nov 20 02:38:00 <d03boy> haha. I just signed up for the palm forum with the same email and it didnt work
Nov 20 02:38:12 <d03boy> ie. I havent received an authorization email yet
Nov 20 02:39:07 <d03boy> nevermind, just showed up
Nov 20 02:45:16 <kesne> Is text-shadow supported on the Pre?
Nov 20 02:47:24 <nicocin> kesne: don't think so
Nov 20 02:47:31 <kesne> NOO!
Nov 20 02:47:32 <kesne> Arg
Nov 20 02:47:37 <kesne> damnation!
Nov 20 02:48:14 <Adora> has anyone here bought a pixi?
Nov 20 02:48:23 <smiley979879> I upgraded my phone to 1.31 last night...and now my phone hangs up mid conversation...after about 3 or 4 minutes
Nov 20 02:48:28 <Adora> got a question for you if you have...
Nov 20 02:48:33 <incidentist> Adora: yep
Nov 20 02:48:37 <incidentist> love it
Nov 20 02:48:48 <CTLAdvance-work> was going to
Nov 20 02:48:56 <smiley979879> it has happened about 8 times since I upgraded last night
Nov 20 02:48:59 <Adora> incidentist: do you still have the packaging?
Nov 20 02:49:07 <JenP> Hi all!
Nov 20 02:49:15 <incidentist> not right in front of me, but at the office
Nov 20 02:49:59 <Adora> you know those orange strips in the bottom of the box?
Nov 20 02:50:05 <bmyers> Hi JenP.. Ladies and gentlemen the WebOS queen of Shoe.
Nov 20 02:50:18 <JenP> lol hi bmyers
Nov 20 02:50:23 <Adora> do you remember if there was any text printed on them?
Nov 20 02:50:30 <incidentist> the ones that wrap around the documentation?
Nov 20 02:50:36 <incidentist> fraid i don't remember
Nov 20 02:50:42 <Adora> the big corrugated ones
Nov 20 02:50:48 <Adora> that everything's stacked on
Nov 20 02:51:08 <kesne> Adora: I have it in front of me, let me look
Nov 20 02:51:15 <incidentist> sorry. the lickable phone got all my focus
Nov 20 02:51:16 <Adora> kesne: oh, yay!
Nov 20 02:51:40 <kesne> "NO DETAIL IS SMALL"
Nov 20 02:51:41 <Adora> incidentist: same here, and I've unboxed a whole handful now
Nov 20 02:51:47 <Adora> kesne: YES
Nov 20 02:51:50 <Adora> that's what I wanted to check
Nov 20 02:51:55 <incidentist> looking for a golden ticket?
Nov 20 02:52:01 <Adora> to see if they went to production with that
Nov 20 02:52:04 <incidentist> nice
Nov 20 02:52:32 <kesne> Why is that cool?
Nov 20 02:53:02 <Adora> just thought it was cute
Nov 20 02:53:12 <kesne> oh
Nov 20 02:53:14 <kesne> fo sho!
Nov 20 02:53:22 <kesne> Hey, thats one of the phrases
Nov 20 02:53:23 <Adora> no detail is small, pixi = small
Nov 20 02:53:42 <incidentist> ergo pixi != detail
Nov 20 02:53:47 <JenP> that's so cute!
Nov 20 02:53:49 <smiley979879> I upgraded my phone to 1.31 last night...and now my phone hangs up mid conversation...after about 3 or 4 minutes...anyone else using 1.31?
Nov 20 02:54:16 <JenP> I think i'm gonna have to get a pixi too...
Nov 20 02:54:17 <kesne> smileydude: you mean 1.3.1?
Nov 20 02:54:30 <JenP> it brings back fond memories of my treo
Nov 20 02:54:34 <kesne> JenP: Do get one, lack of wifi is tech suck, but managable
Nov 20 02:54:49 <smiley979879> yeah sorry
Nov 20 02:54:54 <Adora> kesne:  yeah, I never miss it
Nov 20 02:55:13 <JenP> kesne...yuppers...i'm thinking I can justify it by making it match my shoes lol
Nov 20 02:55:22 <kesne> Smiley735435135741351357357: None for me, and I make lots of calls, so no idea.
Nov 20 02:55:23 <bmyers> there she goes..
Nov 20 02:55:38 <smiley979879> hrm
Nov 20 02:55:39 <kesne> Adora: Hey, why are you setting a pixi variable to small?
Nov 20 02:55:41 <kesne> :P
Nov 20 02:56:16 <incidentist> nice to live in a evdo-rich area.
Nov 20 02:56:24 <kesne> I live in a sprint dead area
Nov 20 02:56:26 <kesne> it sucks
Nov 20 02:56:39 <kesne> though wifi and an arwave thing usually fixes that issue
Nov 20 02:56:44 <Adora> pixi == small
Nov 20 02:56:45 <Adora> stfu
Nov 20 02:56:48 <JenP> oh kesne that does suck
Nov 20 02:56:54 <incidentist> kesne: isn't that gonna suck with a pixi?
Nov 20 02:57:10 <kesne> That's why I kept my pre :O
Nov 20 02:57:15 <zsoc> Sprint dealers in my area are swimming in pixi's, so at least they are available.
Nov 20 02:57:31 <kesne> Adora: Hey, you're in a programming IRC room basically, so I mean, it's expected
Nov 20 02:57:40 <Adora> yeah yeah yeah
Nov 20 02:57:49 <gkatsev> wirefly is selling them for free, and the pre on wirefly is $50, why would anyone get a pixi then?
Nov 20 02:58:12 <incidentist> kesne: just be careful. the pedanticness you take is equal (===) to the pedanticness you make. :P
Nov 20 02:58:18 <incidentist> (pedanticity?)
Nov 20 02:58:26 <incidentist> (pedancy?)
Nov 20 02:58:47 <kesne> incidentist: hehe
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