**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Nov 20 03:00:07 2009
Nov 20 03:00:22 <kesne> Wow
Nov 20 03:00:26 <incidentist> pixis are gonna be gorgeous when they get those custom backgrounds.
Nov 20 03:00:27 <kesne> I just finished an app in a day
Nov 20 03:00:29 <kesne> record?
Nov 20 03:00:33 <gkatsev> incidentist: apparently pedanticalness
Nov 20 03:00:40 <incidentist> kesne: score
Nov 20 03:00:50 <incidentist> gkatsev: oh god, that can't be right.
Nov 20 03:00:54 <kesne> Literally a full app in one day
Nov 20 03:00:57 <gkatsev> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pedantic
Nov 20 03:01:15 <gkatsev> related forms: pe⋅dan⋅ti⋅cal⋅ness, noun
Nov 20 03:01:19 <kesne> My guess is 90% chance of getting rejected due to racism
Nov 20 03:01:23 <kmax12> kesne: that doens't mean anything unless the app is any good. is it you Yo Dawg app
Nov 20 03:01:40 <kesne> It is Yo Dawg
Nov 20 03:01:41 <kesne> It is good
Nov 20 03:01:47 <kesne> 200 Gangster phrases
Nov 20 03:01:50 <kesne> online database
Nov 20 03:01:55 <kesne> Rate your faves, etc
Nov 20 03:02:10 <gkatsev> incidentist: yeah, looks wrong to me too. lol
Nov 20 03:02:20 <incidentist> that's terrible. there oughta be a law against that kind of dysphony.
Nov 20 03:02:24 <zsoc> kesne, i wouldn't call that an app, honestly
Nov 20 03:02:34 <zsoc> I'm personally offended.
Nov 20 03:02:44 <kesne> zsoc: why?
Nov 20 03:02:46 <kesne> Oh wait
Nov 20 03:02:50 <kesne> not gangster
Nov 20 03:02:53 <kesne> "slang"
Nov 20 03:02:54 <kesne> ;)
Nov 20 03:03:05 * Adora raises an eyebrow at kesne
Nov 20 03:03:09 <kmax12> kesne: please tell me this will be a free app at least
Nov 20 03:03:16 <zsoc> So I'm suppose to open your app, and then rate which 'urban' phrases I like the best?
Nov 20 03:03:19 <kesne> Well
Nov 20 03:03:21 <zsoc> Yes, please submit that to palm.
Nov 20 03:03:22 <zsoc> Please
Nov 20 03:03:32 <kesne> zsoc: why?
Nov 20 03:03:46 <kesne> kmax12: free after you pay for it
Nov 20 03:03:47 <kesne> :D
Nov 20 03:03:51 <zsoc> I want to see their response. I know you'll come back to post it.
Nov 20 03:03:57 <JenP> oh kesne i'm in agreement with zsoc
Nov 20 03:03:58 <incidentist> is there a 'gangster' way to say 'pedanticalness'? cuz i'd be interested in that.
Nov 20 03:04:10 <kesne> hehe
Nov 20 03:04:14 <kesne> I know I will
Nov 20 03:04:17 <zsoc> incidentist, there is, but it's probably offensive
Nov 20 03:04:21 <kesne> I need to finish up some stuff really quick
Nov 20 03:04:36 <gkatsev> zsoc: its still probably better than pedanticalness
Nov 20 03:04:42 <incidentist> but i bet it sounds good
Nov 20 03:04:44 <kesne> I think i'll charge 5.99 for it
Nov 20 03:04:58 <incidentist> 'pedanticalness' is offensive
Nov 20 03:05:01 <gkatsev> kesne: 999.99, like "i am rich" for the iphone
Nov 20 03:05:06 <kesne> YEAH!
Nov 20 03:05:07 <incidentist> and probably racist somehow
Nov 20 03:05:20 <gkatsev> oh, im gonna port I AM RICH to the pre
Nov 20 03:05:22 <gkatsev> lol
Nov 20 03:05:22 <kesne> Adora: would that _ever_ get accepted?
Nov 20 03:05:32 <Adora> no.
Nov 20 03:05:35 <gkatsev> lol
Nov 20 03:05:39 <kesne> Okay good
Nov 20 03:05:48 * kesne wipes sweat off of eyebrow.
Nov 20 03:05:48 <Adora> in fact
Nov 20 03:05:56 <gkatsev> Adora: unless i bribe you all, right?
Nov 20 03:06:03 <kesne> Yeah
Nov 20 03:06:08 <Adora> it's so offensive, I think chanserv is debating kicking you from the channel just talking about it
Nov 20 03:06:17 <gkatsev> lol
Nov 20 03:06:17 <kesne> :O
Nov 20 03:06:35 <incidentist> i'm gonna make a web page that says "I AM RICH" and set up a credit card gateway to access it. platform agnosticism ftw!
Nov 20 03:06:35 <kesne> Adora: How about you guys keep 70% profit? ;)
Nov 20 03:06:37 <Adora> so you better CHECK YOSELF BEFO U WREK YOSELF
Nov 20 03:06:51 <zsoc> I don't like where this is going.
Nov 20 03:07:00 <incidentist> i see kesne has already submitted the app.
Nov 20 03:07:03 <Adora> (feel free to use that in the app, if you'd like)
Nov 20 03:07:07 <Adora> hahahaah
Nov 20 03:07:25 * kesne adds it
Nov 20 03:07:26 <kesne> srsly
Nov 20 03:07:33 <kesne> I havent submitted just yet
Nov 20 03:07:36 <kesne> need to finish graphics
Nov 20 03:07:54 <gkatsev> graphics? that app doesnt need graphics
Nov 20 03:08:14 <kesne> oh yes it does
Nov 20 03:08:40 <incidentist> the nice thing about truly rapid development is that if you spend a day making a thing, and only 5 people ever use it because it doesn't make it to the catalog, that's not a bad return on investment.
Nov 20 03:09:05 <incidentist> um, yes, that needs graphics.
Nov 20 03:09:16 <JenP> kesne what kind of graphics? i'm having trouble picturing something...uh...nice
Nov 20 03:09:30 <Adora> graphics / personality is what'll make or break an app like that
Nov 20 03:09:41 <kesne> Adora: agree
Nov 20 03:09:42 <Adora> and from what I've seen so far, kesne better be investing in someone good  =P
Nov 20 03:10:03 <incidentist> i would like olde timey hand-sketched Gray's Anatomy-style drawings of...um...checking one's self before wrecking one's self
Nov 20 03:10:15 * zsoc checks himself
Nov 20 03:10:17 <zsoc> nope i'm good
Nov 20 03:10:34 <Adora> zsoc: hahaha
Nov 20 03:11:08 <kesne> Adora: Well let's see, Keen Studios has seven people that I can yell at to do stuff right now. Three are developers, two writers, one marketer
Nov 20 03:11:17 <kesne> So that leaves the Prez
Nov 20 03:11:22 <kesne> Who sux at graphics
Nov 20 03:11:22 * haeffb wonders if anyone has submitted "Hello World" to the app catalog
Nov 20 03:11:24 <incidentist> kesne: kindergarten-style drawings would also be awesome
Nov 20 03:11:30 <kesne> So I'm the only one left
Nov 20 03:12:02 <JenP> haeffb: OMG I'd so buy that...LOL
Nov 20 03:12:10 <Adora> actually, what I'm thinking of
Nov 20 03:12:13 <Adora> (and this is bad)
Nov 20 03:12:14 <Adora> http://www.regretsy.com/2009/11/07/say-what/
Nov 20 03:12:36 <haeffb> my path to riches!
Nov 20 03:12:44 <kesne> Adora: not quite
Nov 20 03:12:54 <gkatsev> lol, regretsy
Nov 20 03:13:34 <Adora> and now they use it like:  http://www.regretsy.com/2009/11/14/what-theyre-cute/
Nov 20 03:13:38 <kesne> I'm uploading a screencap
Nov 20 03:13:50 <Adora> (although that would absolutely most certainly fail)
Nov 20 03:14:01 <JenP> OMG adora!
Nov 20 03:14:16 <rwhitby> quick webos question: how do I change the value of a toggle button from somewhere else in the code?
Nov 20 03:14:19 <Adora> kesne:  you'd be hopping on the tail of a rapidly growing meme
Nov 20 03:14:23 <Adora> just sayin
Nov 20 03:14:33 <JenP> don't encourage him...
Nov 20 03:14:54 <Adora> jenp:  it's probably getting rejected anyway  =]
Nov 20 03:15:24 <JenP> smiles...i have a weird feeling he'd find a way to distribute...
Nov 20 03:15:24 <kesne> Ignore the bad quality
Nov 20 03:15:25 <kesne> http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu229/kesne/12131_1274257980271_1344588321_7820.jpg
Nov 20 03:15:34 <kesne> I need to redo the button
Nov 20 03:15:39 <kesne> And some other small details
Nov 20 03:15:54 <incidentist> YES
Nov 20 03:16:01 <gkatsev> haha
Nov 20 03:16:24 <JenP> LOL
Nov 20 03:17:03 <haeffb> rwhitby: where else in the code?
Nov 20 03:17:10 <kesne> I also need the like and dislike buttons
Nov 20 03:17:42 <kesne> Adora: is it okay to say ass in it?
Nov 20 03:18:08 <rwhitby> haeffb: in a callback function that recieves information from a service method call
Nov 20 03:19:12 <haeffb> so you don't have access to the widget model?
Nov 20 03:19:36 <incidentist> kesne: if you can't swear in an app, maybe you should make a 70's jive-talk app instead
Nov 20 03:20:50 <ElVox_> kesne, it would rock if that "chek yoself" picture was set as the pre's background any time a high-g reading was recorded
Nov 20 03:20:51 <incidentist> "Oh stewardess! I speak jive. With the help of my webOS(tm) phone"
Nov 20 03:21:41 <kesne> ElVox_ Yeah!
Nov 20 03:21:49 <kesne> Or incorperate it into the meth app?
Nov 20 03:22:04 <ElVox_> now your thinking!
Nov 20 03:22:17 <kesne> incidentist: It's all coming, Motivate, Talk 70's, etc.
Nov 20 03:22:20 <ElVox_> if you shake the meth too hard it warns you to "chek yoself - fool"
Nov 20 03:22:24 <kesne> A whole line of apps
Nov 20 03:22:37 * kesne is eating dinner, brb
Nov 20 03:22:56 <Adora> kesne:  probably ok, but that's not an official answer
Nov 20 03:22:59 <haeffb> this.toggleModel.value = 'true'; this.controller.modelChanged(this.toggleModel);
Nov 20 03:23:15 <zsoc> hey i was... mostly right!
Nov 20 03:24:17 <incidentist> isn't there already a fool-pitying Mr T soundboard app?
Nov 20 03:25:15 <incidentist> maybe i'm confusing the Pre with a keychain i had as a kid.
Nov 20 03:25:28 <ElVox_> Wait, "ass" is ok? You mean to tell me that I changed the name of my calculator app from Assulator to Stackulator for no good reason?!
Nov 20 03:26:17 * zsoc renames his media recorder app to Asscorder
Nov 20 03:26:37 <incidentist> ElVox_: you could probably get away with "55378008"
Nov 20 03:26:53 <bmyers> lol
Nov 20 03:28:59 * incidentist renames games to Word Ass and Card Ass
Nov 20 03:29:12 * ElVox_ trademarks the name "AssAssIn" before Kesne takes the name
Nov 20 03:29:12 * Adora facepalms
Nov 20 03:29:43 <reality9110> GPU accelerated flash is great
Nov 20 03:30:11 <gkatsev> AssAssIn's Creed. The new porno by ElVox_ starring ElVox_
Nov 20 03:30:42 <entity-> someone please make a porno app
Nov 20 03:31:00 <incidentist> entity-: it's called a web browser.
Nov 20 03:31:00 <reality9110> entity-: It will have to wait until the flash plugin comes...
Nov 20 03:31:23 <entity-> why
Nov 20 03:31:39 <entity-> mobile porn is where its at
Nov 20 03:31:40 <reality9110> ease of integration
Nov 20 03:31:41 <ElVox_> Hey, can the proximity detector tell when you are placing the phone close to, er, things other than the side of your face?
Nov 20 03:31:47 <rwhitby> haeffb: if the widget is set up with this.controller.setupWidget('fixAppLimit', {...},{..}); is it this.fixAppLimit.value = 'true' ?
Nov 20 03:32:06 <incidentist> dammit, now i'm facepalming too.
Nov 20 03:35:15 <gkatsev> ElVox_: as long as its warm. in the interactive tests it tells you to cover the screen mostly with your palm and the screen dims to test the proximity sensor
Nov 20 03:35:34 <ElVox_> who wants to help me make virtual grafitti? the idea is that your mobile becomes a "paint brush" that the user sweeps over walls in order to create "virtual grafitti" that can only be seen be other people with location aware mobile devices...kind of like a real-world form of the tagging from counterstrike
Nov 20 03:35:57 <gkatsev> ElVox_: that would be kind of cool, actually
Nov 20 03:37:16 <haeffb> rwhitby: No, it's whatever you used for the model value.
Nov 20 03:38:01 <haeffb> this.controller.setupWidget('...', {...}, this.toggleModel);
Nov 20 03:38:01 * rwhitby should probably learn the concepts before adding a new toggle widget to Preware
Nov 20 03:39:10 <zsoc> rwhitby, i edit mojo all the time, and i don't know the first thing about it
Nov 20 03:39:30 <rwhitby> haeffb: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/preware.git;a=blob;f=app/assistants/preferences-assistant.js line 85 to 97, how would I change value ?
Nov 20 03:40:04 <kesne> Adora: See what you did?
Nov 20 03:40:47 <Adora> kesne: no?
Nov 20 03:40:58 * kesne renames Yo Dawg! to Yo Ass!
Nov 20 03:41:03 <kesne> Oh, the renaming
Nov 20 03:41:27 <kesne> Adora: but seriously, It's only used for a quote
Nov 20 03:41:33 <kesne> "Imma pop a cap in yo ass!"
Nov 20 03:42:01 <haeffb> you have to save the model in a variable: this.toggleModel = { value : this.prefs.fixUnknown, disabled: false};
Nov 20 03:42:15 <Adora> kesne:  target pg-13, and you'll "probably" be ok
Nov 20 03:42:26 <Adora> I can't commit more than that right now
Nov 20 03:42:31 <kesne> Adora: already is, so cool
Nov 20 03:42:54 <haeffb> then replace lines 93-96 with this.toggleModel
Nov 20 03:42:59 <kesne> Adora: now, Tim had a question about Porn apps, yes or no?
Nov 20 03:43:01 <haeffb> then do what I said above
Nov 20 03:43:14 <rwhitby> haeffb: thanks
Nov 20 03:44:23 <rwhitby> haeffb: does line 100 affect that at all, or is that for noticing when the user changes the toggle?
Nov 20 03:44:46 <incidentist> kesne: i hear "tuchus" is becoming a popular ass synonym on the streets.
Nov 20 03:44:51 <rwhitby> kesne: I believe the app catalog terms of services answers that question quite clearly.
Nov 20 03:44:52 <incidentist> you could use that instead.
Nov 20 03:44:57 <haeffb> 100 listens when user changes the toggle
Nov 20 03:45:08 <Adora> kesne:  no, because there is no content filtering system
Nov 20 03:45:10 <rwhitby> haeffb: thx
Nov 20 03:45:13 <kesne> rwhitby: really? I didn't read it.
Nov 20 03:45:33 <rwhitby> kesne: that might explain any delays in approval you are experiencing ;)
Nov 20 03:45:33 <kesne> Adora: Alright, I'll relay the info
Nov 20 03:45:57 <kesne> rwhitby: I'm not experiencing delays :/
Nov 20 03:46:03 <Adora> which makes palm liable if someone underage sees something they shouldn't
Nov 20 03:46:05 <haeffb> not sure if it also is called when you change the toggle programmatically
Nov 20 03:46:07 <Adora> kesne: tim who?
Nov 20 03:46:19 <kesne> Adora: Carroll of course!
Nov 20 03:46:34 <kesne> The sexiest man on IRC
Nov 20 03:46:51 <Adora> kesne:  have him contact me directly
Nov 20 03:47:11 <kesne> Adora: I'm sure he was joking
Nov 20 03:47:12 * rwhitby wonders if that is due to the app, or because he is the sexiest man on IRC ... ;-)
Nov 20 03:47:29 <kesne> :P
Nov 20 03:47:30 <Adora> still, have to be careful with what information here is sent to members of the press
Nov 20 03:47:37 * Adora points to the first word in the topic
Nov 20 03:47:37 <kesne> aye
Nov 20 03:47:59 <kesne> "Unofficial"?
Nov 20 03:48:03 <Adora> yep
Nov 20 03:48:31 * haeffb observes kesne can count to 1
Nov 20 03:48:46 <Adora> I answer questions for you guys because I like helping you out
Nov 20 03:48:54 <kesne> haeffb: :P
Nov 20 03:49:18 <Adora> but it is not an "official" communication medium
Nov 20 03:50:03 <kesne> Indeed
Nov 20 03:50:45 <Adora> and PR already watches me, so I gotta C my A, yano?  :)
Nov 20 03:51:06 <kesne> Yeah
Nov 20 03:51:16 <kesne> Adora: hey, can you help me with some gangster phrases?
Nov 20 03:52:15 <ElVox_> "im gonna eat yo chillens!"
Nov 20 03:52:15 <Adora> yeah, afta I get done sippin mah gin and juice, yaknowhatimsayin?
Nov 20 03:52:48 <Adora> got mah mind on mah money and my money on mah mind
Nov 20 03:52:53 <kesne> Hmm, I guess I should have told one of my developers what the app did more clearly. For some reason he thought it was a black app. "I'm eating fried chicken"
Nov 20 03:53:10 <rwhitby> haeffb: thanks for your help, that works perfectly.
Nov 20 03:53:11 <Adora> exact quote?
Nov 20 03:53:27 <kesne> Adora: was that to me?
Nov 20 03:53:33 <Adora> kesne: yeah
Nov 20 03:53:36 <zsoc> I'm afraid to get a streaming video app working because I know kesne and tim would use it all day with each other
Nov 20 03:53:56 <kesne> Adora: pretty much
Nov 20 03:54:11 <kesne> Adora: I had to clear out his entries
Nov 20 03:54:11 <Adora> tsk
Nov 20 03:54:20 <kesne> They were too sterotypical
Nov 20 03:54:43 <ElVox_> porn is banned because they "can't control the content" but streaming video is ok...
Nov 20 03:54:55 <ElVox_> ...the world is a funny place
Nov 20 03:55:02 <kesne> zsoc: hehe, I have a hero with the ustream app, so no worries
Nov 20 03:55:15 <kesne> Adora: thanks, up to 28 so far
Nov 20 03:55:33 <haeffb> rwhitby: glad to help
Nov 20 03:55:36 <Adora> http://www.rinkworks.com/dialect/dialectp.cgi?dialect=jive&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lisabrewster.com
Nov 20 03:56:03 <Adora> kesne:  yeah, I'd focus on jive more than gangster
Nov 20 03:56:39 <zsoc> "A new adventure, dig dis: joinin' de Palm Developuh' Relashuns team"
Nov 20 03:57:12 <kesne> Adora: Well the apps have a user submission built in, so hopefully that helps boost numbers
Nov 20 03:57:18 <kesne> with an admin approval of course though
Nov 20 03:57:20 <Adora> Whut I’m lookin' fo'ward t'de most about wo'kin' fo' Dion and Ben be dat dey’re so's passionate about drivin' de future uh de Open Web in some mobile environment.
Nov 20 03:57:30 <kesne> and no images are downloaded either, hehe
Nov 20 03:57:33 <entity-> someone make a video recorder!!!!!!!!!
Nov 20 03:57:51 <zsoc> entity-, it's made already
Nov 20 03:57:52 <rwhitby> entity-: already done
Nov 20 03:58:04 <zsoc> stop with the exclamation marks
Nov 20 03:58:27 <Adora> Fo' dat reason, San Diego — and da damn sucka's here — gots'ta always gots some special place in mah' heart. Man!
Nov 20 03:58:30 <Adora> ok, this is hilarious
Nov 20 03:58:45 <kesne> Adora: what are you doing?
Nov 20 03:58:52 <zsoc> kesne, being generally offensive ;)
Nov 20 03:59:03 <kesne> zsoc: Hehe
Nov 20 03:59:06 <Adora> I translated my webpage into jive
Nov 20 03:59:12 <Adora> (linked above)
Nov 20 03:59:13 <Roy-Pre101> fo sho?
Nov 20 03:59:17 <ElVox_> somebody make a video recorder app with a proximity sensitive "massage" setting and call blocker
Nov 20 03:59:28 <Adora> well slap mah fro, it's Roy-Pre101!
Nov 20 03:59:34 <zsoc> ...
Nov 20 03:59:47 <zsoc> That is so nonsensical it's funny.
Nov 20 03:59:49 <incidentist> "Deer freeends, I em pleesed tu unnuoonce-a thet I hefe-a fuoond zee ooppurtooneety I sensed thet dey. Bork bork bork!"
Nov 20 04:00:57 <kesne> Adora: My website is better than your website!
Nov 20 04:01:10 <Roy-Pre101> wait, wait...
Nov 20 04:01:21 <droO> anyone good with view menus :]
Nov 20 04:01:23 <droO> ?
Nov 20 04:01:48 <kesne> droO: if I said yes, what would you ask?
Nov 20 04:02:10 <droO> i need to align the text on one of the buttons as left
Nov 20 04:02:15 <droO> the other centered
Nov 20 04:02:18 <droO> ;o
Nov 20 04:02:26 <ElVox_> heh
Nov 20 04:02:59 <droO> i cant figure it out ;/ i can make them both text-align: left
Nov 20 04:06:22 <kesne> is freakout even here?
Nov 20 04:07:23 <Roy-Pre101> http://kanyelicious.appspot.com/http://keen-studios.net
Nov 20 04:07:56 <kesne> Lol
Nov 20 04:10:12 <droO> kense-so no idea?:[
Nov 20 04:11:02 <kesne> droO I said if, I really do not know
Nov 20 04:11:34 <droO> yea, i know. was jw if u had any idea;o
Nov 20 04:11:40 <droO> thx tho :]
Nov 20 04:12:07 <haeffb> droO: I also do not know. Just so you know.
Nov 20 04:12:34 <Roy-Pre101> I know!
Nov 20 04:12:38 <Roy-Pre101> (what are we talking about?)
Nov 20 04:12:57 <droO> view menuz
Nov 20 04:13:54 <akili> anyone know where i can find an example of detecting double-click event
Nov 20 04:13:55 <ElVox_> droO, looking at the source, it seems like you have to provide your own template(s)for the menu items so that you can give them their own classes or styles
Nov 20 04:14:08 <droO> well i tried changing the 'no-fade'
Nov 20 04:14:16 <droO> but then it doesnt work at all;o
Nov 20 04:14:55 <droO> ive tried a few diff things since that source ur lookin at:/
Nov 20 04:15:18 <droO> 1.0.3 almost ready tho :D fixed a bunch of stuff
Nov 20 04:15:19 <Roy-Pre101> Make sure you document what you find at webOS101.com
Nov 20 04:15:27 <ElVox_> oh i was looking at the sdk source for menus
Nov 20 04:15:35 <droO> ohhh
Nov 20 04:15:36 <droO> ;o
Nov 20 04:16:33 <droO> roy-i just made acct:]
Nov 20 04:17:19 <ElVox_> you know how menu items can take a "template" parameter? well you need to override the default template for the menu items which i am pretty sure is in ...Palm\SDK\share\refcode\webos-framework\200.47\templates\menu\text-choice.html  with something that adds a class name or style attribute
Nov 20 04:17:54 <droO> oh, yea, maybe i do need to create a template instead of just trying to mod css n stuff
Nov 20 04:20:17 <ElVox_> i think so. doesn't look like there are any other ways to get different styles onto different buttons through mojo (palm should expose the "class" attribute as a settable option in the model)
Nov 20 04:21:21 <droO> yeah ;[
Nov 20 04:23:17 <ElVox_> actually, i might have a pure css "idea"
Nov 20 04:24:07 <droO> ??
Nov 20 04:26:30 <Roy-Pre101> I prefer impure css ideas.
Nov 20 04:26:42 <ElVox_> left align by default then you can use the psuedo selector :last to select the last  menu item and make it centered... so do something like .palm-menu>div:last
Nov 20 04:27:27 <droO> hRm... interesting ;o
Nov 20 04:27:34 <ElVox_> usually, all ofl my css is impure
Nov 20 04:27:36 <droO> cause everything else is left align anyways
Nov 20 04:28:51 <ElVox_> ".palm-menu>.palm-menu-text:last>.truncating-text" is the complete selector to the label i think
Nov 20 04:29:39 <reality9110> http://webos.pastebin.com/d1ef1014f  Why doesn't this setTimeOut work correctly?
Nov 20 04:30:21 <droO> var sceneController = appController.getStageProxy("");
Nov 20 04:30:22 <droO> maybe
Nov 20 04:30:23 <droO> ?
Nov 20 04:30:36 <reality9110> That part works...
Nov 20 04:30:45 <reality9110> It's the timer that doesn't work
Nov 20 04:33:02 <Roy-Pre101> reality9110: Because you're calling bind on the delegatetoscenecontroller method's return value
Nov 20 04:33:07 <Roy-Pre101> err, ...sceneAssistant.
Nov 20 04:33:07 <Roy-Pre101> Is that what you meant to do?
Nov 20 04:34:04 <reality9110> All I'm trying to do is execute the command sceneController.delegateToSceneAssistant("animateplayer") after 10 seconds.
Nov 20 04:37:23 <kesne> Jordan "das heisst man" Gensler
Nov 20 04:37:41 <kesne> *heiss
Nov 20 04:40:31 <reality9110> So, anybody know?
Nov 20 04:40:31 <Roy-Pre101> then you need to put it into an anonymouse function.  What you're doing is calling it right away.
Nov 20 04:40:40 <ElVox_> http://webos.pastebin.com/m24c3cad5
Nov 20 04:40:40 <Roy-Pre101> haha, anonymouse.
Nov 20 04:41:02 <reality9110> Alrighty.  I'll try that
Nov 20 04:41:07 <ElVox_> hmm cut off the "va" on the first var
Nov 20 04:41:07 <Roy-Pre101> { sceneController.delegateToSceneAssistant("animateplayer"); }.bind(this)
Nov 20 04:41:38 * zsoc|away is having impure css dreams
Nov 20 04:41:39 <Roy-Pre101> err...
Nov 20 04:41:39 <Roy-Pre101> well, close to that, make it a function.
Nov 20 04:41:39 <Roy-Pre101> function() { sceneController.delegateToSceneAssistant("animateplayer"); }.bind(this)
Nov 20 04:41:44 <ElVox_> hehe
Nov 20 04:44:02 <Roy-Pre101> reality9110: Were you ignoring me. ;P
Nov 20 04:44:21 <reality9110> Roy-Pre101: No
Nov 20 04:44:36 <Roy-Pre101> heh
Nov 20 04:44:41 <reality9110> Tried ElVox_'s first...
Nov 20 04:44:43 <reality9110> Didn't work
Nov 20 04:44:57 <akili> i want to distinguish between a single tap and double tap on a list item.  Can anyone point me in the right direction
Nov 20 04:46:20 <ElVox_> :'(
Nov 20 04:46:20 <Roy-Pre101> akili: Not sure mojo passes through double tap
Nov 20 04:46:20 <Roy-Pre101> Try searching the webOSdev forum
Nov 20 04:46:42 <reality9110> Roy-Pre101: Your's worked great
Nov 20 04:48:04 <Roy-Pre101> yikes, just crashed adium. :(
Nov 20 04:48:10 <ElVox_> the call() was probably unnecessary in what i did
Nov 20 04:48:14 <ElVox_> adium?
Nov 20 04:48:27 <Roy-Pre101> Mac multi-IM client
Nov 20 04:48:32 <Roy-Pre101> +irc client
Nov 20 04:50:17 <ElVox_> ahh, i thought things didn't crash on macs
Nov 20 04:50:47 <Roy-Pre101> Not only do things crash on macs, macs crash.
Nov 20 04:51:08 <Roy-Pre101> Somehow, my mac didn't come with kool-aid.
Nov 20 04:51:26 <ElVox_> haha, or any good games!
Nov 20 04:51:31 <ElVox_> zing!
Nov 20 04:51:41 <Roy-Pre101> WoW runs fine on it.
Nov 20 04:51:45 <Mark_M> Aren't they crash & virus proof?
Nov 20 05:04:41 <JenP> hi all!
Nov 20 05:14:00 <ElVox_> Hi Jen, do you have a Mac?
Nov 20 05:14:09 <JenP> NoooOOooOooooo
Nov 20 05:14:17 <JenP> i like to take things apart way too much
Nov 20 05:14:35 <Roy-Pre101> (read: I break them way too much)
Nov 20 05:14:50 <JenP> No! LOL
Nov 20 05:15:00 <JenP> i'm alway fixing what others have broken
Nov 20 05:15:13 <JenP> left overs from my days as an IT manager
Nov 20 05:16:52 <ElVox_> I am pretty sure that given the right hammer, you can take apart Macs
Nov 20 05:17:56 <droO> but u might break the cyanide gas capsuls
Nov 20 05:22:52 <ird_pre> is it just me or do none of the soundboard apps not work?
Nov 20 05:23:43 <reality9110> Double negative.
Nov 20 05:24:36 <Roy-Pre101> :D
Nov 20 05:25:05 <ird_pre> I wonder why they don't work for me...
Nov 20 05:25:32 <reality9110> I bet I could make one that works
Nov 20 05:26:33 <Roy-Pre101> reality9110: Nah, what do you know about sound?
Nov 20 05:27:19 <reality9110> Maybe I'll make one after this project is done.
Nov 20 05:30:10 <JenP> hey we can use canvas right?
Nov 20 05:32:06 <Roy-Pre101> yeah, but I like paper better.
Nov 20 05:32:15 <JenP> lol
Nov 20 05:33:53 <Roy-Pre101> rboatright: Evening.
Nov 20 05:34:26 <rboatright> hi
Nov 20 05:35:02 <reality9110> Have a goodnight folks
Nov 20 05:35:16 <rboatright> night doc
Nov 20 05:36:12 <Roy-Pre101> Interviewing Rod Whitby (shh, he's in the room!).  Any questions you guys would like to see answered.
Nov 20 05:36:22 <Roy-Pre101> ?
Nov 20 05:38:04 <kmax12> where does he see webOS homebrew in a year
Nov 20 05:38:12 <kmax12> or preware
Nov 20 05:38:20 * ElVox_ goes and looks up Rod Whitby
Nov 20 05:40:50 * rwhitby closes the blinds to keep ElVox_ out.
Nov 20 05:44:37 * ElVox_ feels offended, gets dressed, and leaves rwhitby's front lawn.
Nov 20 05:44:49 <JenP> LMAO
Nov 20 05:45:34 <gkatsev> Roy-Pre101: you also down under?
Nov 20 05:46:17 <Roy-Pre101> down under what? :)   No, I'm in the US.
Nov 20 05:46:40 <gkatsev> ah, he's here then?
Nov 20 05:48:35 <Roy-Pre101> no, he's still there.  We're using this new-fangled internet relay chat thingy.
Nov 20 05:49:12 <rwhitby> amazing what we can do these days ...
Nov 20 05:49:15 <gkatsev> ah, lol, wow...
Nov 20 05:49:50 <gkatsev> i guess i took "he's in the room" way to literally
Nov 20 05:49:58 <Roy-Pre101> hah
Nov 20 05:50:36 <Roy-Pre101> I wouldn't mind being in Australia for a visit.
Nov 20 05:50:36 <ElVox_> next time roy, warn people that your interviewee is "sitting on my lap"
Nov 20 05:50:48 <Roy-Pre101> Yes, that's much less likely to be misconstrued.
Nov 20 05:51:10 <gkatsev> yes, of course
Nov 20 05:51:54 <ElVox_> so many improper movie quotes...must suppress...urge...
Nov 20 05:53:04 <sugardave> anybody in-channel want to alpha test an ad management delivery system?
Nov 20 05:53:53 <ElVox_> you have developed a system that delivers ad management?
Nov 20 05:54:15 <sugardave> blah, it's an ad management system :P
Nov 20 05:54:30 <sugardave> right now I want to test the theory
Nov 20 05:55:44 <ElVox_> :) im not trying to be dense, but what theory
Nov 20 05:56:41 <Roy-Pre101> The theory that he can make money from it!
Nov 20 05:56:49 <sugardave> I mean my theory of how it's all going to work together...I just need someone that has a Quattro Wireless ad account and wants to see if my easy ad delivery system works
Nov 20 05:57:04 <sugardave> before I move on to other networks, etc.
Nov 20 05:57:32 <Roy-Pre101> I don't have quattro set up.  I would test out your system with my free version of Match 'Em.
Nov 20 05:57:53 <sugardave> which one are you using, or have you decided yet?
Nov 20 05:58:09 <sugardave> I have a blob for AdMob and AdFonic, just been testing with Quattro
Nov 20 05:59:43 <ElVox_> im trying to understand how this works...are you basically just providing a library that fetches ad from multiple providers for you? or is there more to it?
Nov 20 05:59:54 <Roy-Pre101> I signed up for admob but haven't done anything
Nov 20 06:00:21 <ElVox_> neither does admob
Nov 20 06:03:32 <sugardave> ElVox_: yeah, it's going to be devs can sign up, register their app info, ad network info, etc...then include my js/css and drop a div in their scene
Nov 20 06:04:26 <sugardave> right now I'm just testing the delivery...there's no portal or anything like that
Nov 20 06:04:31 <sugardave> and it's just text ads for now
Nov 20 06:04:45 <kmax12-wirc> sugardave: will it be free for devs?
Nov 20 06:05:01 <sugardave> kmax12-wirc: no, there will be a fee as yet to be determined
Nov 20 06:05:13 <sugardave> testing will be free :D
Nov 20 06:06:13 <kmax12-wirc> sugardave: can I help test with just an adsense account?
Nov 20 06:07:04 <sugardave> I don't have adsense support yet
Nov 20 06:07:09 <sugardave> it's early
Nov 20 06:07:22 <sugardave> VERY early
Nov 20 06:07:34 <ElVox_> you expect developers to pay for something that is pretty trivial to start off with? i mean if I already managed to develop a javascript app, why would including ad* script tag be too hard?
Nov 20 06:07:47 <ElVox_> maybe you can make you ad thingy ad-supported
Nov 20 06:08:12 <sugardave> ElVox_: and then when you want to switch providers...?
Nov 20 06:08:17 <Roy-Pre101> ElVox_: haha
Nov 20 06:08:54 <sugardave> I'm planning on targeting this to hobbyist-class devs...I wonder how many non-JS-experts there will be writing apps when something like Ares is widely available
Nov 20 06:09:37 <Roy-Pre101> Interesting idea.
Nov 20 06:11:27 <ElVox_> I have to admit there is something there. i wonder how you are going to compete with the free Ares add-ons that insert the Adsense/admob/ect tag into the project for you. but i am a natural cynic so don't listen to me :D
Nov 20 06:13:01 <droO> how far is ares?
Nov 20 06:13:10 <droO> how far is it coming along*
Nov 20 06:13:11 <droO> i mean
Nov 20 06:14:44 <droO> welp that doesnt make sense either, gg me
Nov 20 06:14:58 <droO> how is it coming along********
Nov 20 06:16:46 <Roy-Pre101> No one knows.  They haven't given us a peek at it (as far as YOU know! muhahaha)
Nov 20 06:18:05 <sugardave> ElVox_: missed that about Ares...but I wonder if they will offer the ability to try and reconcile the clicks?
Nov 20 06:20:50 <droO> palm should start their own ad company for webos
Nov 20 06:20:51 <droO> ;o
Nov 20 06:21:13 <droO> to get some of the $ that would be going to admob/et al
Nov 20 06:21:35 <Roy-Pre101> I'm not sure that's their core competency.
Nov 20 06:21:44 <Roy-Pre101> (especially given the Pre ads)
Nov 20 06:21:49 <droO> haha ;x
Nov 20 06:22:05 <droO> they could prob atleast get some sort of affil program thru another ad firm
Nov 20 06:22:09 <droO> and atleast get a cut from it ;o
Nov 20 06:22:25 <Roy-Pre101> Doesn't make sense.
Nov 20 06:22:37 <droO> why?
Nov 20 06:24:24 <Roy-Pre101> Too much overhead for possibly too little return.
Nov 20 06:24:34 <droO> not much overhead at all
Nov 20 06:24:43 <droO> if they can get some sort of deal w/ google
Nov 20 06:24:46 <droO> (since bought admob)
Nov 20 06:25:14 <droO> where they're basically an affil themselves but get better rates since would be offering it as the "reccomended" ad-platform for webos developers
Nov 20 06:25:20 <ElVox_> palm has at most a few million users...ads are a bulk think...it only works (profitably) if you can get hundreds of millions of eyes
Nov 20 06:25:40 <kmax12-wirc> What's the return on ads in free pre apps?
Nov 20 06:25:57 <kmax12-wirc> Webos app*
Nov 20 06:27:38 <sugardave> kmax12-wirc: depends on the ap...some make good money
Nov 20 06:27:43 <ElVox_> that entirely depends on what kind of usage rates you are seeing and the conversion rate of the audience
Nov 20 06:28:21 <droO> elvox
Nov 20 06:28:35 <droO> but how long would it take for a few million users to get served a 100 mil ads?
Nov 20 06:28:41 <droO> prob not too long.
Nov 20 06:29:19 <Roy-Pre101> droO: Focus is important to a company.
Nov 20 06:29:27 * ElVox_ nods
Nov 20 06:29:45 <droO> mobile ads can be targeted so well tho
Nov 20 06:29:47 <droO> ;o
Nov 20 06:29:48 <droO> idk
Nov 20 06:30:10 <droO> and i think mobile ads are def more valuable than regular web ads
Nov 20 06:31:03 <sugardave> I'm just offering a way for devs to manage multiple campaigns across multiple apps....I'll hopefully be able to add any existing and future ad networks and life will be good
Nov 20 06:31:06 <droO> but i acknowledge your point ;o
Nov 20 06:31:08 <Roy-Pre101> The inventor of egg nog deserves 'bug ups' as the kids these days say.
Nov 20 06:31:10 <droO> elvox/roy
Nov 20 06:31:38 * rwhitby wipes the sweat of his brow after a gruelling interview with Roy-Pre101 ....
Nov 20 06:31:42 <rboatright> egg nog is God's coffee creamer.
Nov 20 06:31:53 <rboatright> dark roast with egg nog.  Heaven in a cup.
Nov 20 06:31:57 <ElVox_> people are apathetic about ads now. i think location based advertising will freak people out in the long run.
Nov 20 06:32:32 <Roy-Pre101> "We've noticed you're in the bathroom.  Would you like to know more about
Nov 20 06:32:32 <droO> rwhitby-is he quite the interrogator?
Nov 20 06:32:36 <Roy-Pre101> Ex-lax?"
Nov 20 06:32:39 <sugardave> haha
Nov 20 06:33:16 <droO> well honestly elvox
Nov 20 06:33:22 <droO> i suspect most people will patch my ads anyways
Nov 20 06:33:25 <droO> ;o
Nov 20 06:33:25 <rwhitby> droO: the pizza topping question is the worst ...
Nov 20 06:33:36 <droO> most people who know how to patch them will*
Nov 20 06:33:47 <droO> rwhitby-lol:)
Nov 20 06:33:55 <droO> can i inquire now as to the answer?
Nov 20 06:33:55 <droO> ;o
Nov 20 06:33:59 <Roy-Pre101> someone said I needed to ask more human interest questions so I went with pizza.
Nov 20 06:34:08 <Roy-Pre101> droO: you have to wait to find out!
Nov 20 06:34:10 <droO> inquiring minds are dying to know!
Nov 20 06:34:11 <droO> ;o
Nov 20 06:34:17 <Roy-Pre101> You can read about it tomorrow.
Nov 20 06:34:25 * rwhitby upholds his exclusivity agreement
Nov 20 06:34:34 <sugardave> droO: hard for the "regulars" to patch ads out of my system...another bonus :D
Nov 20 06:34:36 * droO shakes fist!!
Nov 20 06:34:38 <droO> ;o
Nov 20 06:34:48 * rwhitby bbl
Nov 20 06:34:51 <droO> not really
Nov 20 06:34:53 <ElVox_> I thought, "What is your perfect sunday?" was THE human interest question
Nov 20 06:34:54 <Roy-Pre101> And, ya know, Silk Nog isn't too bad, either.
Nov 20 06:34:55 <droO> atleast from what you've gave me haha
Nov 20 06:34:56 <droO> ;o
Nov 20 06:35:11 <droO> silk anything is terrible im sorry
Nov 20 06:35:19 <droO> they should just ban all silk products
Nov 20 06:35:24 <Roy-Pre101> droO: I agree with that except when it comes to the nog.
Nov 20 06:35:26 <droO> and soy in general
Nov 20 06:35:35 <droO> hemp seeds ftw!
Nov 20 06:35:41 <droO> they are nutritionally superior ;o
Nov 20 06:35:47 <ElVox_> sugardave, why would it be hard to remove a div?
Nov 20 06:35:49 <Roy-Pre101> Whole Foods original soy is the best soy.
Nov 20 06:35:51 <sugardave> oh, actually...going to be pretty easy to edit out mine
Nov 20 06:35:53 <sugardave> yeah
Nov 20 06:35:55 <sugardave> nevermind
Nov 20 06:35:58 <droO> haha
Nov 20 06:35:59 <sugardave> too  high
Nov 20 06:35:59 <droO> ;o
Nov 20 06:36:01 <Roy-Pre101> ROFL
Nov 20 06:36:02 <droO> i hear u
Nov 20 06:36:09 <ElVox_> :D
Nov 20 06:36:13 <droO> i couldnt type at all earlier
Nov 20 06:36:13 <droO> ;o
Nov 20 06:36:14 <ElVox_> palm developers are the best
Nov 20 06:36:21 <droO> atleast its better than the time i tried to be in here
Nov 20 06:36:24 <droO> while tripping on acid
Nov 20 06:36:27 <droO> that didnt work out too hot
Nov 20 06:36:28 <sugardave> haha
Nov 20 06:36:34 <Roy-Pre101> haha
Nov 20 06:36:36 <droO> (sorry public chan)
Nov 20 06:36:40 <droO> D:
Nov 20 06:36:43 <ElVox_> over in #intel they are still trying to figure out how to cut a fucking cake
Nov 20 06:36:45 <sugardave> I was in IRC on acid in 1993...that was a long hard night
Nov 20 06:36:51 <sugardave> that shit is hard to read
Nov 20 06:36:56 <droO> i know
Nov 20 06:37:12 <droO> and i just kept making tracer trails with my mouse cursor
Nov 20 06:37:12 <Roy-Pre101> ElVox_: They need to pick a number that divides evenly into 360.
Nov 20 06:37:16 <droO> which would then melt the text
Nov 20 06:37:19 <droO> was bad
Nov 20 06:39:22 * ElVox_ copies previous discussion just in case he is ever asked "Why does the Palm App Catalog have so many bad apps?"
Nov 20 06:39:31 <droO> hahahaha ;o
Nov 20 06:39:53 <droO> when people ask me that question in general about my pre
Nov 20 06:39:57 <droO> i yell at them and say MAKE UR OWN
Nov 20 06:39:58 <droO> ;o
Nov 20 06:39:59 <Roy-Pre101> Does PreCentral just not have anyone on staff who can write clean English?
Nov 20 06:41:28 <droO> nah im editor & cheif
Nov 20 06:41:30 <droO> i apologize
Nov 20 06:41:32 <droO> ;[
Nov 20 06:41:34 <droO> jk
Nov 20 06:41:40 * ElVox_ imagines a movie about teenage librarians called "Dirty English"
Nov 20 06:42:40 <rboatright> http://librarianavengers.org/worship-2/
Nov 20 06:42:46 <ElVox_> that came out totally like "catholic priest" but I was totally going for Tom Servo
Nov 20 06:43:25 <droO> its okay im sure you arent the only creepy old man in here elvox
Nov 20 06:43:26 <droO> :D
Nov 20 06:43:27 <droO> lol
Nov 20 06:44:53 <droO> geez i was kidding ;o
Nov 20 06:47:02 <ElVox_> I would be deeply offended if I weren't actually a creepy old man
Nov 20 06:47:27 <droO> lol
Nov 20 06:48:30 <Roy-Pre101> speaking of catholic priests...
Nov 20 06:48:43 <Roy-Pre101> There's a Catholic church down the street from me.
Nov 20 06:48:48 <Roy-Pre101> There's a sign out front that reads:
Nov 20 06:48:55 <ElVox_> are we back to interviews being conducted on your lap?
Nov 20 06:48:57 <Roy-Pre101> Pregnant?  Need Help?
Nov 20 06:49:18 <Roy-Pre101> You'd think they had enough problems already....  It's -really- creepy if the answer to the first question is 'no'
Nov 20 06:50:48 * ElVox_ once saw a sign in front of a Fire Department that read, "We can't help you if we can't read your house number."
Nov 20 06:51:33 <ElVox_> You would think the fire or smoke or screaming people would tip them off...
Nov 20 06:51:34 <droO> i for one am completely shocked, especially in new jersey of all places ;p
Nov 20 06:53:44 <ElVox_> says the person from a state whos biggest celebrity is drew carey
Nov 20 06:54:22 <droO> hes not the biggest celeb ok
Nov 20 06:54:25 <droO> god
Nov 20 06:54:30 <droO> D:
Nov 20 06:55:03 <droO> neil armstrong ffs!
Nov 20 06:55:54 <droO> dave chappelle is from yellow springs
Nov 20 06:55:55 <droO> ;o
Nov 20 06:57:31 <droO> & 7ish presidents
Nov 20 06:57:38 <droO> among others
Nov 20 06:57:41 <droO> ok im done, bbl
Nov 20 07:13:26 <edektor> Anybody now how many characters a banner message and fit?
Nov 20 07:16:00 <droO> 120
Nov 20 07:16:14 <droO> jk 100
Nov 20 07:16:44 <edektor> you sure?
Nov 20 07:16:52 <droO> no ;[ probably a lot less
Nov 20 07:16:53 <droO> sorry
Nov 20 07:47:43 <LoneStar34> is this the webos irc channel advertised on the developer website?
Nov 20 07:50:19 <LoneStar34> anybody here?
Nov 20 07:53:00 <droO> hi
Nov 20 07:53:43 <LoneStar34> howdy
Nov 20 07:53:57 <droO> whats up
Nov 20 07:54:09 <LoneStar34> just joined the group
Nov 20 07:55:25 <LoneStar34> how is your webos development going?
Nov 20 07:59:04 <LoneStar34> how do i know who is online?
Nov 20 07:59:31 <LoneStar34> using opera and all handles have a grey profile...
Nov 20 08:00:16 <droO> im doing good, do u have a webos device, or sdk?
Nov 20 08:00:37 <LoneStar34> sdk
Nov 20 08:00:48 <LoneStar34> no device yet
Nov 20 08:00:52 <LoneStar34> you?
Nov 20 08:01:04 <droO> pre & sdk :)
Nov 20 08:01:23 <LoneStar34> cool
Nov 20 08:01:48 <LoneStar34> is there a developer device out there?
Nov 20 08:02:01 <Laxidasical> Anyone on?  (new to irc)
Nov 20 08:02:06 <LoneStar34> yeah
Nov 20 08:02:10 <LoneStar34> here
Nov 20 08:02:28 <droO> a specific developer version? maybe, not that i know of
Nov 20 08:02:36 <droO> you can put the device into a developer mode?
Nov 20 08:02:57 <LoneStar34> you can put it into developer mode?
Nov 20 08:03:10 <droO> yes
Nov 20 08:03:43 <LoneStar34> cool, how accurate is the SDK?
Nov 20 08:03:48 <Laxidasical> If you have filecoaster or PreWare, download a program called DevMode Launcher
Nov 20 08:04:05 <droO> konami code :) upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbastart
Nov 20 08:04:28 <Laxidasical> Or do it the manual way as droO just showed!
Nov 20 08:04:31 <droO> try it on emulator
Nov 20 08:04:54 <LoneStar34> that is some old cheat - mike tyson punch out?
Nov 20 08:05:02 <droO> contra
Nov 20 08:05:11 <droO> and a few other konami games i think
Nov 20 08:05:17 <Laxidasical> Yep, several!
Nov 20 08:05:19 <droO> type it in emulator if you have it running
Nov 20 08:05:45 <Laxidasical> Anyone up for an app assistant question?
Nov 20 08:05:54 <droO> i can try
Nov 20 08:05:55 <droO> ;o
Nov 20 08:05:58 <droO> ask away
Nov 20 08:06:06 <LoneStar34> yeah, have it all running - the sdk runs sweet on eclipse and emulator
Nov 20 08:06:24 <droO> <fn'LoneStar34> cool, how accurate is the SDK?
Nov 20 08:06:54 <droO> its pretty dead on afaik
Nov 20 08:06:54 <droO> apart from resolution ;o
Nov 20 08:07:05 <Laxidasical> OK...for starters, I have my app assistant running and it launches my card stage & dashboard stage.  However, it doesn't seem to use the stage assistants that I created for them.
Nov 20 08:07:24 <Laxidasical> It's like it is using some on-the-fly stage-assistant for them
Nov 20 08:08:00 <droO> from appassistant
Nov 20 08:08:01 <droO> try
Nov 20 08:08:11 <Laxidasical> I tride stating the assistant name directly in the arguments: var stageArguments = {name: 'background', assistantName: 'background-assistant.js', lightweight: true};
Nov 20 08:08:19 <LoneStar34> had been trying to parse json or xml for several weeks, finally got it working this week
Nov 20 08:08:58 <Laxidasical> LoneStar: pretty easy with .toJSON() and .evalJSON
Nov 20 08:13:05 <LoneStar34> yeah it turns out that i had everything right except was not passing the right tag name "#{title}" to the search-result.html page
Nov 20 08:15:06 <LoneStar34> i have been working on the SDK "networkData/ajaxGet-assistant.js" code
Nov 20 08:16:03 <LoneStar34> and it works, except noticed if only one result is returned from a dataset the code/ emulator does not display it.
Nov 20 08:24:23 <LoneStar34> anyone have json parsing one result successfully?
Nov 20 08:24:53 <droO> yes
Nov 20 08:25:13 <Laxidasical> Yes...
Nov 20 08:25:33 <droO> object? or array
Nov 20 08:25:38 <Laxidasical> Although I'm passing code from a PHP script that I created via an AJAX call
Nov 20 08:26:11 <LoneStar34> i am using the sample from the SDK "networkData/ajaxGet-assistant.js"
Nov 20 08:26:36 <LoneStar34> 2 or more results display but not a one result
Nov 20 08:30:59 <LoneStar34> Laxidasical: does your PHP code display in JSON?
Nov 20 08:34:26 <Laxidasical> I create a PHP array, then use the php json function to create the JSON object
Nov 20 08:34:56 <Laxidasical> http://us.php.net/manual/en/function.json-encode.php
Nov 20 08:36:07 <LoneStar34> ok, i have a script that converts xml to json
Nov 20 08:36:31 <LoneStar34> it works well, except having problems displaying one result on the emulator
Nov 20 08:41:56 <LoneStar34> Laxidasical does your mojo code display one result on the emulator or device?
Nov 20 08:44:38 <Laxidasical> Both...
Nov 20 08:45:01 <Laxidasical> Whatever happens on the emulator should mirrior your results on the device
Nov 20 08:45:45 <Laxidasical> Anyone here good with multi stage apps???
Nov 20 08:45:58 <LoneStar34> just getting started...
Nov 20 08:54:46 <Laxidasical> How about disabling menu items?
Nov 20 08:55:39 <Laxidasical> I already figured out that we have to add "checkEnabled: true" to the model item, but how do we enforce that?
Nov 20 09:18:29 <Laxidasical> Anyone on?
Nov 20 09:44:24 <joekinley> kinda Laxidasical
Nov 20 09:45:03 <LoneStar34> how do you delete a web page window from the emulator?
Nov 20 09:46:06 <LoneStar34> anyone? thanks in advance!
Nov 20 10:02:52 <LoneStar34> leonardo do you know how to delete web page windows from the emulator?
Nov 20 10:03:49 <leonardo> lonestar34: delete web page windows? what you want to do?
Nov 20 10:05:26 <LoneStar34> i have like 10 web windows open but not sure how to delete them
Nov 20 10:05:39 <LoneStar34> or close them
Nov 20 10:05:46 <leonardo> you mean panels?
Nov 20 10:07:28 <leonardo> lonestar34: if so, you can drag to the top of the screen every panel you want to close
Nov 20 10:07:29 <LoneStar34> yeah blue panels
Nov 20 10:08:19 <LoneStar34> ok thanks that worked prefect
Nov 20 10:08:37 <leonardo> you're welcome
Nov 20 10:09:58 <LoneStar34> would have never guessed that
Nov 20 10:11:09 <leonardo> lonestar34 are you at your first approach with the emulator?
Nov 20 10:12:30 <LoneStar34> have had the emulator for about a few weeks, but finally got some code to work for me so, have been coding alot more now
Nov 20 10:14:29 <LoneStar34> I have been using "networkData/ajaxGet" SDK sample as my starting point, and it works well but have one issue so far
Nov 20 10:22:46 <LoneStar34> leonardo are  you pretty advanced with webos?
Nov 20 10:23:08 <leonardo> well, not exactly :)
Nov 20 10:24:36 <leonardo> but here on the channel you probably can find more answers to your problems
Nov 20 10:24:45 <LoneStar34> yeah
Nov 20 10:25:04 <LoneStar34> but I am assuming earlier in the night or day
Nov 20 10:25:17 <LoneStar34> 4.00am all the nerds are asleep =)
Nov 20 10:26:07 <leonardo> well, it depends by your timezone, i suppose
Nov 20 10:26:23 <LoneStar34> yeah
Nov 20 10:26:33 <LoneStar34> you on the west coast?
Nov 20 10:27:57 <leonardo> i'm in italy, really
Nov 20 10:28:09 <LoneStar34> oh ok
Nov 20 10:28:28 <LoneStar34> what you think about the ireland / france game?
Nov 20 10:29:07 <leonardo> about what?
Nov 20 10:29:11 <leonardo> oh you mean soccer?
Nov 20 10:29:38 <LoneStar34> yeah
Nov 20 10:29:49 <LoneStar34> kinda screwed up game...
Nov 20 10:29:58 <leonardo> i've not seen it sorry :)
Nov 20 10:30:01 <leonardo> i'm not addicted
Nov 20 10:30:23 <leonardo> (kinda strange for an italian guy, huh?)
Nov 20 10:31:16 <LoneStar34> lol yeah kinda weird
Nov 20 10:31:18 <LoneStar34> jk
Nov 20 10:34:04 <LoneStar34> ok leonardo, thanks for your help - need to go to sleep before i stay up all night troubleshooting code
Nov 20 10:35:25 <leonardo> 'nite lonestar34
Nov 20 10:55:54 <Laxidasical> Anyone here good with multi stage apps?
Nov 20 13:10:59 <atlanta> morning
Nov 20 13:13:14 <rancano> Hello, can anybody help me with the textfield mojo
Nov 20 13:14:40 <rancano> Hello
Nov 20 13:15:22 <bmyers> hey atlanta in FLA. hows it going!
Nov 20 13:15:59 <bmyers> hello rancano. whats ur ?
Nov 20 13:16:16 <rancano> I have a trouble with the text field.
Nov 20 13:16:50 <bmyers> what sort of trouble
Nov 20 13:17:12 <rancano> I dont want to write a hint text, and when i try it, i can access to the textfield cause it dissapear when it is empty
Nov 20 13:17:32 <rancano> sorry for my english
Nov 20 13:17:51 <rancano> i whant to take the textfield always active
Nov 20 13:18:27 <atlanta> bmyers: good
Nov 20 13:18:30 <atlanta> just at work
Nov 20 13:18:55 <atlanta> rancano: u mean keep focus
Nov 20 13:19:03 <atlanta> add focus: true
Nov 20 13:19:05 <atlanta> to the attrib
Nov 20 13:19:09 <atlanta> or model
Nov 20 13:19:13 <atlanta> whichever one it goes 2
Nov 20 13:19:24 <rancano> yes but can i keep the focus in 4 textfield at same time
Nov 20 13:19:32 <atlanta> no lol
Nov 20 13:19:49 <atlanta> only one item can have focus
Nov 20 13:21:30 <rancano> thats the problem, my applicatión is simply i only want to have 4 textfield to entry 4 numbers
Nov 20 13:23:53 <rancano> I also have a trouble with the list, i have a list and i want to limitate the height to 100 pixels.
Nov 20 13:25:59 <rancano> hello
Nov 20 13:30:09 <rancano> hello, there is anybody here
Nov 20 13:57:36 <atlanta> hello
Nov 20 13:57:48 <atlanta> what issue are you having
Nov 20 14:45:01 <mikewx> got my pre updated to 1.3.1 last night, however even after reverting to 1.2.1 my data wouldn't restore properly. i was able to delete all my accounts in 1.2 though and then get things working, then I used the OTA upgrade to go to 1.3.1
Nov 20 14:45:29 <mikewx> i guess i got there eventually with much pain, but so much for my clean install.
Nov 20 14:47:54 <dBsooner-work> Anyone in here familiar with using the Data Transfer assistant to get data from Palm Desktop to the Pre?
Nov 20 14:48:42 <mikewx> nope i migrated everyting to google prior to my pre purcahse
Nov 20 14:49:00 <mikewx> I'm looking for a memopad program though
Nov 20 14:52:28 <haeffb> dBsooner-work: recommended to export from Palm desktop to Google rather than rely on Palm's backup...
Nov 20 14:53:04 <haeffb> Is there a particular reason you need data transfer assistant?
Nov 20 14:54:32 <haeffb> mikewx: have you tried fliqnotes?
Nov 20 14:54:48 <mikewx> no, preware or appstore?
Nov 20 14:55:03 <haeffb> App store
Nov 20 14:55:36 <mikewx> will chcek intot hem
Nov 20 14:55:46 <haeffb> App is free but sync will $$
Nov 20 14:56:35 <haeffb> Evernote is free
Nov 20 14:56:39 <mikewx> ah markspare. i know him
Nov 20 14:57:07 <atlanta> just export to a csv file and upload to google
Nov 20 14:57:08 <atlanta> BOOm
Nov 20 15:30:01 <Slydog43>  cant start my emulator anymore (or at least the Pre size one) I have reinstalled but no go it says another instance is already running.  Any ideas
Nov 20 15:32:40 <Slydog43> any1
Nov 20 15:34:34 <Draecos> reinstall virtualbox?
Nov 20 15:46:14 <haeffb> Anybody have a good site to learn more about design of database schema?
Nov 20 15:46:19 <sugardave> Slydog43: that happened to me I know how to fix it
Nov 20 15:46:22 <sugardave> hang on
Nov 20 15:47:21 <sugardave> first do:
Nov 20 15:47:34 <sugardave> 'VBoxManage list vms'
Nov 20 15:47:48 <sugardave> and get the unique ID for the one that is messing up
Nov 20 15:49:01 <sugardave> then do:
Nov 20 15:49:18 <sugardave> VBoxManage controlvm [uuid] poweroff
Nov 20 15:49:30 <sugardave> and you should be able to restart it
Nov 20 15:59:20 <dBsooner-work> haeffb: It's not me, it's my cousin. He isn't very good with computers.
Nov 20 15:59:31 <dBsooner-work> haeffb: I was hoping for a "simple" solution I could walk him through.
Nov 20 15:59:54 <dBsooner-work> haeffb: If he lived near me, I would have already had him over and put him on Exchange server.
Nov 20 16:00:29 <dBsooner-work> But he lives in Wisconsin and I live in Oklahoma. It's difficult to assist someone when you don't have the tools in front of you.
Nov 20 16:01:51 <haeffb> Xport csv, import to google is pretty simple
Nov 20 16:01:59 <dBsooner-work> he doesn't have a google account
Nov 20 16:02:06 <dBsooner-work> and doesn't want one. :D
Nov 20 16:02:25 <Rick_work> export to csv and import into outlook is pretty simple
Nov 20 16:02:46 <dBsooner-work> Rick_work: He doesn't have outlook either.
Nov 20 16:02:53 <dBsooner-work> Rick_work: He doesn't use computers really.
Nov 20 16:03:04 <Rick_work> What _does_ he have for Ghu's sake? And what's the eventual goal
Nov 20 16:03:30 <dBsooner-work> he has palm desktop and windows live as his email.
Nov 20 16:03:44 <dBsooner-work> wants contacts from PD moved to the Pre.
Nov 20 16:03:58 <Rick_work> there is a commercial app for that.
Nov 20 16:04:10 <dBsooner-work> preferably for free...
Nov 20 16:04:14 <dBsooner-work> Chapura is there, I know.
Nov 20 16:04:21 <Rick_work> life is hard.  Programmers gotta eat
Nov 20 16:04:21 <dBsooner-work> I have already offered him that.
Nov 20 16:04:24 <dBsooner-work> Yep.
Nov 20 16:04:39 <dBsooner-work> I am just going to convince him of Google account.
Nov 20 16:04:42 <Rick_work> sorry...  no sympathy.  Chapura wrote it.
Nov 20 16:04:59 <dBsooner-work> ?
Nov 20 16:05:04 <Rick_work> if He doesn't trust the cloud, then suck it up.   The freaking chapura is cheap.
Nov 20 16:05:17 <dBsooner-work> No, he will trust the cloud.
Nov 20 16:05:46 <mikewx> i don't trust the cloud. i never did but i certainly don't after yesterday
Nov 20 16:05:54 <mikewx> i want my palm desktop back
Nov 20 16:06:02 <dBsooner-work> mikewx: I don't either. I use Exchange.
Nov 20 16:06:11 <dBsooner-work> mikewx: You can have it. Buy Chapura.
Nov 20 16:06:21 <Giotto> hey
Nov 20 16:08:05 <Rick_work> mikewx  it's very simple.  Buy chapura mirror for the pre.
Nov 20 16:08:13 <Rick_work> it's cheap, it works, it's 100% safe.
Nov 20 16:08:15 <Rick_work> go for it.
Nov 20 16:09:18 <mikewx> chapura echo looks good
Nov 20 16:10:35 <lvshankar> hi. I have an game with active listeners on several items at a time.  suppose I want to pause a game (when the card goes out of focus or something), how can I 'pause' the event handlers instead of removing them and adding them back on change of focus?
Nov 20 16:10:46 <Rick_work> no
Nov 20 16:11:36 <gkatsev> Rick_work: thats not a valid answer to the question "how"
Nov 20 16:12:57 <Rick_work> ok, lvshankar  "I'm so sorry, but Javascript has no provision for pausing a listener, the only choices are to disable the listener and recreate it on activate, or to put an if in the handler to check state and simply return without acting if the cardis minimized or out of focus."
Nov 20 16:13:03 <Rick_work> is that a better answer?
Nov 20 16:13:46 <gkatsev> lol. yes.
Nov 20 16:14:15 <Rick_work> same answer tho.
Nov 20 16:15:37 <lvshankar> Rick_work: ok thanks! what do you think is better? I'd have around 9 items which are listened to by the same handler. would an if condition be better than recreating handlers?
Nov 20 16:16:04 <Rick_work> in my opinion you're better off killing them and re-building them.
Nov 20 16:16:15 <Rick_work> Otherwise, the ifs are firing over and over.  and eating cpu
Nov 20 16:16:22 <sugardave> DIE LISTENERS
Nov 20 16:16:35 <Rick_work> but that depends, are they TAP or SWIPE listeners or EVENT listeners?
Nov 20 16:16:36 <lvshankar> Rick_work: great. thanks again!
Nov 20 16:16:43 <lvshankar> Rick_work: TAP
Nov 20 16:16:59 <Rick_work> the tap chain still has to test against them every time.
Nov 20 16:17:19 <dBsooner-work> wow?
Nov 20 16:17:24 <lvshankar> Rick_work: how would it be better or worse for other events?
Nov 20 16:17:30 <sugardave> just make two functions, one to set them all up, and one to unlisten them all
Nov 20 16:18:11 <Rick_work> nodnod
Nov 20 16:18:21 <lvshankar> sugardave: thanks. but am wondering if i should unlisten and listen them again at all
Nov 20 16:18:31 <lvshankar> Rick_work: how would it be better or worse for other events?
Nov 20 16:18:33 <Rick_work> accelerometer would be the worst.
Nov 20 16:18:41 <lvshankar> okk
Nov 20 16:18:52 <Rick_work> because you would have to get TO your listener and trigger it's internal if
Nov 20 16:19:06 <Rick_work> tap events will simply eventually see that your tap isn't in scope and skip it
Nov 20 16:19:20 <Rick_work> but do what sugardave said
Nov 20 16:19:57 <lvshankar> Rick_work: ok.
Nov 20 16:20:23 <lvshankar> I like this place. every other irc i was on was so noisy no one would hear me!
Nov 20 16:20:50 <sugardave> lvshankar: it happens here, too
Nov 20 16:20:53 <gkatsev> lvshankar: haha, thats IRC for you.
Nov 20 16:21:08 <gkatsev> sugardave: yeah, not nearly as often.
Nov 20 16:21:27 <gkatsev> plus pretty much everyone knows everyone else here by now
Nov 20 16:21:28 <lvshankar> sugardave: gkatsev: guess I got lucky this time then
Nov 20 16:21:42 <sugardave> YOU DON'T KNOW ME!
Nov 20 16:21:49 <lvshankar> hey, anyone from India here?
Nov 20 16:22:05 <gkatsev> sugardave: "know" in the internet sense of the word
Nov 20 16:22:10 <sugardave> hehe
Nov 20 16:22:34 <sugardave> so, lat night's alpha tester has failed to perform
Nov 20 16:22:50 <Rick_work> there are indian's who sstop in, but most of us are USian.
Nov 20 16:22:56 <sugardave> who in-channel has a Quattro Wireless ad account and wants to help me test text ad delivery?
Nov 20 16:23:06 <Rick_work> with a sprintkling of Aussies
Nov 20 16:23:11 <Rick_work> and a couple of CHinese
Nov 20 16:23:32 <mikewx> and a few californians..they're a class of their own *ducks*
Nov 20 16:23:50 <gkatsev> also, there's Adora
Nov 20 16:27:58 <lvshankar> nice to know because I'm from India :)
Nov 20 16:28:25 <lvshankar> ok. another Q. If i stop listening in deactivate() I don't have to again in clean do I?
Nov 20 16:28:32 <lvshankar> cleanup() that is
Nov 20 16:28:40 <sugardave> no, deactivate should catch it
Nov 20 16:28:50 <lvshankar> sugardave: right..
Nov 20 16:28:51 <sugardave> I think it also depends on where you put the listen()?
Nov 20 16:29:05 <sugardave> if you put it in activate, stopListening should go in deactivate
Nov 20 16:29:16 <sugardave> if you put it in setup, it should go in cleanup
Nov 20 16:29:20 <sugardave> that's what I've been doing, anyway
Nov 20 16:29:50 <atlanta> cleanup is for when the app closes
Nov 20 16:29:54 <atlanta> so your just about rigth sugardave
Nov 20 16:30:06 <atlanta> deactivate is when you go into card view
Nov 20 16:30:19 <atlanta> (minimize the app)
Nov 20 16:30:37 <sugardave> atlanta: code comments state cleanup is also called when a scene is destroyed from being popped...
Nov 20 16:30:44 <sugardave> so, not sure anymore
Nov 20 16:30:56 <atlanta> yea  thats true
Nov 20 16:31:06 <atlanta> if its popped or closed
Nov 20 16:31:06 <atlanta> your rigth
Nov 20 16:31:07 <atlanta> right
Nov 20 16:31:19 <grndslm> you're
Nov 20 16:31:27 <sugardave> hehehe
Nov 20 16:31:30 <grndslm> :P
Nov 20 16:31:30 <atlanta> i dont think deactivate is called when you pop a scene
Nov 20 16:31:38 <sugardave> it's supposed to be
Nov 20 16:32:15 <sugardave> deactivate is supposed to happen when a scene is popped or another scene is pushed on top of it
Nov 20 16:33:05 <atlanta> http://developer.palm.com/download/attachments/36405833/Scene%20Lifecycle.png
Nov 20 16:33:45 <atlanta> they could have did a better job
Nov 20 16:33:46 <atlanta> lol
Nov 20 16:39:47 <lvshankar> atlanta: ya...didn't get it the first few times :)
Nov 20 16:40:23 <lvshankar> but hey, the diagram says cleanup is also called on pop a scene :-/
Nov 20 16:41:58 <sugardave> that's what I'm saying...read the comments for deactivate and cleanup
Nov 20 16:42:06 <sugardave> in a freshly made scene
Nov 20 16:42:14 <sugardave> assistant
Nov 20 16:46:20 <Giotto> any idea what to do with this? "Not allowed to load local resource: ......."
Nov 20 16:46:32 <Giotto> that's when I try to read a text file
Nov 20 16:46:45 <Giotto> have to add I just updated the SDK
Nov 20 16:49:05 <Rick_work> deactivate is called when you pop a scene but not when you minimizeone.
Nov 20 16:49:16 <Rick_work> Giotto what folderis the filein?
Nov 20 16:49:28 <Rick_work> 131 restricts what folders you can read from.
Nov 20 16:49:33 <Giotto> file://media/internal/
Nov 20 16:49:43 <Rick_work> that's not afull path.
Nov 20 16:49:48 <Rick_work> gimee some more.
Nov 20 16:49:56 <Giotto> haha
Nov 20 16:49:57 <Giotto> file://media/internal/spreadsong/freebooks/20943.txt
Nov 20 16:50:10 <Rick_work> ok,  that oughtto be allowed.
Nov 20 16:52:08 <Giotto> damn :)
Nov 20 16:53:24 <Giotto> I save the file there with the download manager, then do an Ajax.Request to get it
Nov 20 16:54:46 <Giotto> (sigh)
Nov 20 17:00:59 <Rick_work> ought to work
Nov 20 17:01:02 <Rick_work> is it there?
Nov 20 17:01:11 <Rick_work> have you checked with terminal to see if it's there?
Nov 20 17:02:25 <Giotto> not yet, the download manager said it's there. (download was succesfull, path is the same)
Nov 20 17:02:35 <Rick_work> check
Nov 20 17:18:57 <Giotto> checked it, the file is there
Nov 20 17:19:24 <Dremel> hi folks
Nov 20 17:20:19 <Rick_work> then Giotto I don't know
Nov 20 17:20:29 <Rick_work> try-catch the line and see what the response is
Nov 20 17:20:34 <Giotto> thanks for your help anyways :)
Nov 20 17:23:09 <kmax12> is there any way to embedded google maps in an application without using google apis, so I can retain the multiouch capabilities
Nov 20 17:35:56 <kmax12> how is an app like trapster doing it?
Nov 20 17:37:29 <kmax12> or GoodFood
Nov 20 17:41:54 <CTLAdvance-work> Are they using a webview
Nov 20 17:42:17 <CTLAdvance-work> ?
Nov 20 17:49:01 <Giotto> any dev from palm here?
Nov 20 18:00:47 <entity-> how do i take a screen shot on my phone
Nov 20 18:01:12 <Rick_work> orange-shift-p
Nov 20 18:01:47 <Rick_work> kmax12  they're using the map api  -- check services on developer.palm.com
Nov 20 18:05:34 <egaudet_work> orange-sym-p
Nov 20 18:07:04 <sugardave> is nduid the same across all emulators?
Nov 20 18:09:25 <kmax12> Rick_work: from what I can tell the service only let's you launch a map
Nov 20 18:09:39 <kmax12> not actually embed it
Nov 20 18:10:16 <Rick_work> hmmmm
Nov 20 18:10:26 <Rick_work> ok, then you're going to have to use a webview widget
Nov 20 18:12:17 <kmax12> I wonder if that is what those apps are doing
Nov 20 18:12:32 <kmax12> cause I can retain multitouch if I use a widget
Nov 20 18:12:40 <kmax12> webview widget*
Nov 20 18:13:26 <kmax12> it's unfortunate that performance is so bad tho
Nov 20 18:14:17 <sugardave> kmax12: I'm having decent performance in webview widgets...what's the problem you are having?
Nov 20 18:16:48 <kmax12> with a google map in a webview
Nov 20 18:17:12 <kmax12> sugardave: I think that is what trapster and goodfood are doing
Nov 20 18:17:26 <CTLAdvance-work> webviews are working fine for me
Nov 20 18:17:28 <kmax12> I am wondering because I wanna embed a google map in my app
Nov 20 18:17:51 <en0x> hmnm is the youtube app broken somehow? i was watching a video clip and Luna got rebooted
Nov 20 18:17:57 <en0x> on 1.3.1
Nov 20 18:18:04 <kmax12> CTLAdvance-work: why is the performance so bad for apps like trapster and GoodFood
Nov 20 18:18:19 <sugardave> kmax12: you just need the URL then open it in the WebView...is that not working?
Nov 20 18:18:36 <kmax12> sugardave: no it works, but it is laggy
Nov 20 18:18:36 <CTLAdvance-work> not sure I havent tried them
Nov 20 18:19:15 <CTLAdvance-work> Make sure everything is done is setup properly, look at palms widget example
Nov 20 18:19:22 <sugardave> I don't really think that's a function/symptom of the WebView...
Nov 20 18:19:29 <CTLAdvance-work> that is wicked fast
Nov 20 18:19:56 <kmax12> no that I think about you guys are right
Nov 20 18:20:09 <CTLAdvance-work> from what I have seen if you havent set everything up well, or have a slow connection its fine
Nov 20 18:20:21 <kmax12> but how can I embed a google map within my application and still have multitouch
Nov 20 18:20:22 <CTLAdvance-work> if you dont have those***
Nov 20 18:21:05 <CTLAdvance-work> well you would have to open up the actual google map in a webview I would think
Nov 20 18:21:12 <sugardave> I haven't done any multi-touch stuff
Nov 20 18:21:41 <CTLAdvance-work> yeah - the only real multi touch supported is pinch to zoom
Nov 20 18:21:53 <CTLAdvance-work> as far as I can tell
Nov 20 18:22:17 <kmax12> but that is only on images
Nov 20 18:22:24 <CTLAdvance-work> or webview
Nov 20 18:22:31 <kmax12> yeah
Nov 20 18:22:50 <kmax12> but that just zooms in, it won't tell google to load a higer resolution photo
Nov 20 18:22:56 <kmax12> I have no idea how these apps do it
Nov 20 18:23:04 <CTLAdvance-work> must be an api call
Nov 20 18:23:12 <CTLAdvance-work> what app you lookin at
Nov 20 18:23:58 <sugardave> it's probably something like watching the area they're zooming, then figuring out which map/zoom to call
Nov 20 18:24:02 * sugardave is completely guessing.
Nov 20 18:24:18 <CTLAdvance-work> one possability might be embeding the actual map into a div element or iframe pointing to the google maps app on the phone
Nov 20 18:24:20 <CTLAdvance-work> hold on
Nov 20 18:24:28 <CTLAdvance-work> let me load up trapsterill tell you
Nov 20 18:54:15 <ElVox_> i officially hate scrollers...it keeps wanting to set the overflow to -webkit-palm-overflow and I WANT TO STAB IT IN THE FACE
Nov 20 18:57:08 <ElVox_> hah! setting Mojo.Host.current = Mojo.Host.browser; in scene setup actually keeps it from performing that annoying behavior
Nov 20 18:58:25 <kmax12> CTLAdvance-work: figure anything out?
Nov 20 18:58:42 <fsd> I am a total noob at IRC. Is this the official webos channel?
Nov 20 19:05:04 <fsd> does anyone know the situation for using sdk jars in a derivative tool?
Nov 20 19:07:37 <incidentist> fsd: this is the unofficial webos channel. nothing said here is, like, the official stance of anyone or anything.
Nov 20 19:09:09 <incidentist> as for using sdk jars...it probably depends on the jar. i think most of em are open-source tools with bits of Palm-specific stuff on top of em, but the people in the #webos-internals channel would know more.
Nov 20 19:14:55 <lyht> chuqui how do I see why switcharoo, my app, was rejected, or do I just need to wait for an email?
Nov 20 19:15:37 <natenrb9> lyht: you just got rejected again…lame
Nov 20 19:16:20 <chuqui> lemme check
Nov 20 19:16:30 <lyht> thanks
Nov 20 19:24:05 <chuqui> lyht: can you email me? chuq@palm.com so I can send something to you
Nov 20 19:24:44 <lyht> yup. thanks.
Nov 20 19:29:08 <chuqui> okay, incoming.
Nov 20 19:31:00 <lyht> watching for it
Nov 20 19:35:47 <chuqui> time 4 lunch. back in a bit.
Nov 20 19:45:09 <Templarian> lemketron: can you go poke the doc guys.
Nov 20 19:54:57 <natenrb9> lyht: good news, not too bad news, or bad news?
Nov 20 19:57:48 <lyht> natenrb9: not to bad, just a pain. the old rejected one is still getting in the way. just trying to figure out how tog
Nov 20 19:58:00 <lyht> to get around it.
Nov 20 19:58:13 <natenrb9> how is the old rejected one getting in the way?
Nov 20 19:58:24 <natenrb9> still using some undocumented api's?
Nov 20 20:03:23 <mikewx> is lemketron steve?
Nov 20 20:03:54 <lyht> nope. but it was never deleted. so now I have a new app, same name, but new app Id. it is only causing confusion, I think.
Nov 20 20:05:30 <natenrb9> lhyt: I guess the catalog is still beta...
Nov 20 20:08:03 <lyht> yah. gotta expect growing pains. I can be patient. but still frustraiting.
Nov 20 20:12:59 <LoneStar34> has anyone worked on the "networkData/ajaxGet" SDK sample?
Nov 20 20:13:25 <sugardave> LoneStar34: no, but I've been throwing data around using Ajax
Nov 20 20:14:37 <sugardave> what are you trying to do?
Nov 20 20:15:14 <LoneStar34> sugardave: Have noticed that the SDK sample works well except, if only one result is returned nothing is displayed
Nov 20 20:15:27 <LoneStar34> what do you think it can be?
Nov 20 20:16:31 <sugardave> hmm, i seem to recall reading something about that in the forums...I think it's a bug when there's only one item
Nov 20 20:18:24 <LoneStar34> oh, i might have reported it... the thing is i need to display one result, are you seeing that issue with your code?
Nov 20 20:19:04 <smiley979879> Is there anyway to restore your text messages after using webos doctor?
Nov 20 20:19:22 <sugardave> well, I'm not really using it to populate data to a list...I'm more sending data back and forth between cloud and local storage
Nov 20 20:21:26 <natenrb9> smiley: not now, but they have new program in the works to back that stuff up: http://www.precentral.net/webos-backup-utility-works
Nov 20 20:22:12 <smiley979879> too late for me I guess
Nov 20 20:22:46 <natenrb9> smiley: yeah…unfortunately…I think so
Nov 20 20:24:41 <LoneStar34> sugardave: do you think this is possible, sending an ajax request to the cloud and having the data being copied into clipboard?
Nov 20 20:25:26 <LoneStar34> sugardave: having the ajax response data being copied into clipboard?
Nov 20 20:25:54 <Roy-Pre101> grr, wife kicked the power cord out of the laptop and I came back to it dead. :(
Nov 20 20:28:03 <sugardave> hmm, it's probably possible if there IS a clipboard...another thing I haven't looked into :)
Nov 20 20:28:18 <sugardave> Roy-Pre101: time for a flogging
Nov 20 20:28:39 <Roy-Pre101> sugardave: There is a clipboard.
Nov 20 20:29:43 <sugardave> LoneStar34: then I guess it should be possible...if you want a good starting point, check this:
Nov 20 20:29:47 <sugardave> http://webos101.com/Getting_JSON_From_An_External_MySQL_Database
Nov 20 20:33:15 <LoneStar34> ok thanks, will check out the tutorial
Nov 20 20:35:30 <LoneStar34> have 2 apps that I am working on, and both use ajax calls
Nov 20 20:40:15 <sugardave> hi chuqui
Nov 20 20:40:27 <MetaView> hi @all
Nov 20 20:40:54 <sugardave> oh, hi you, too MetaView ;)
Nov 20 20:41:00 <MetaView> should try to compile a service...
Nov 20 20:41:19 <MetaView> sugardave: thx :) not as famous as chuqui
Nov 20 20:41:38 <Templarian> mikewx: yes lemk = steve.
Nov 20 20:41:38 <sugardave> not as infmaous, either, so you've got that going for you
Nov 20 20:42:02 <chuqui> hey
Nov 20 20:42:22 <Templarian> chuqui: can you go look at the todo list for the documentation people and tell me how close the "appinfo.json" doc page is from being rewritten. Lemk said they would probably be around to it by this week and it's still not rewritten.
Nov 20 20:43:02 <sugardave> oops, I think my app is still trying to contact the ad server after it's closed
Nov 20 20:43:04 <sugardave> hmm...
Nov 20 20:43:18 <chuqui> I have a meeting to talk doc stuff later this afternoon... will see what I find.
Nov 20 20:44:02 <Templarian> Nice. Hopefully they are typing away.
Nov 20 20:44:06 <LoneStar34> so hardcore webos developers in here?
Nov 20 20:44:10 <LoneStar34> some
Nov 20 20:44:19 <tr4npt> Hi.  I wrote a program that uses extractfs to resize camera images.  It worked fine until the v1.3.1 update.  It looks like Palm has locked it down from 3rd party developers.  How can I get this functionality in an App Store-eligible program?
Nov 20 20:44:22 <Templarian> Nah. None here.
Nov 20 20:44:25 <sugardave> some, yeah...and some learning
Nov 20 20:44:39 <LoneStar34> cool
Nov 20 20:44:46 <mikewx> Templarian: ah cool. haven't seen/heard/talked to him in years
Nov 20 20:44:52 <mikewx> glad to see he's still with palm
Nov 20 20:44:55 <CTLAdvance-work> tr4npt
Nov 20 20:44:57 <CTLAdvance-work> you cant
Nov 20 20:45:27 <tr4npt> thanks for the response, but it wasn't the one I wanted :(
Nov 20 20:45:31 <CTLAdvance-work> They dont have enough support to do that now
Nov 20 20:45:36 <LoneStar34> i am selling girl scout cookies.... anyone want to buy some.... jk
Nov 20 20:46:09 <CTLAdvance-work> I know it, I have an app in their now and if there wasaway to do it on the device right now that wasnt using unsupported services I would have it
Nov 20 20:46:12 <sugardave> LoneStar34: make an ad banner in an app: "Made from REAL Girl Scouts!" with a link to your online cookie store ;)
Nov 20 20:46:17 <destinal> tr4npt: how'd they lock it down?
Nov 20 20:46:30 <CTLAdvance-work> You cant save an app in the system now either
Nov 20 20:46:39 <CTLAdvance-work> sorry save an image
Nov 20 20:46:40 <LoneStar34> anyone have a simple code to test the clipboard feature?
Nov 20 20:47:05 <tr4npt> destinal: the log now shows "Not allowed to load local resource" when it tries to load the image
Nov 20 20:47:17 <Templarian> LoneStar34: make a input box...
Nov 20 20:47:41 <destinal> hmm, so maybe it relates to a security issues
Nov 20 20:47:41 <tr4npt> If I rename my app to com.palm.myapp, then it works fine, like it did before v1.3.1
Nov 20 20:47:56 <tr4npt> That's how I know they locked it down to their own apps
Nov 20 20:47:58 <CTLAdvance-work> tr4npt you cant use the palm name space
Nov 20 20:48:21 <destinal> tr4npt: ah, so it's a namespace thing.
Nov 20 20:48:24 <destinal> CTLAdvance-work:   actually, palm HAS approved some third party com.palm apps, haven't they?
Nov 20 20:48:24 <tr4npt> I know I can't use the palm namespace.  I was just testing it
Nov 20 20:48:24 <LoneStar34> Templarian:  just an input box?
Nov 20 20:48:40 <Templarian> If you want to test the copy and paste stuff?
Nov 20 20:48:41 <CTLAdvance-work> Yes but only if they were directly worked on with palm
Nov 20 20:48:52 <CTLAdvance-work> None of us are likely to be direct partners
Nov 20 20:48:59 <Templarian> (I presume you mean you have the edit menu working, and wanted to test it)
Nov 20 20:49:16 <destinal> I thought some homebrew ones became catalog apps and continued using com.palm
Nov 20 20:49:19 <destinal> I could be wrong though
Nov 20 20:49:26 <CTLAdvance-work> not that I am aware of
Nov 20 20:49:49 <CTLAdvance-work> They rejected anyone I have heard of but prove me wrong
Nov 20 20:50:41 <CTLAdvance-work> tr4npt what are you doing to use the extractfs?
Nov 20 20:51:01 <LoneStar34> Templarian: actually looking for a more dynamic recipe. dude types in "boo" submits - the response "boo hoo!" whould be copied to clipboard...
Nov 20 20:52:03 <tr4npt> I just use /var/data/extractfs/my/image.jpg:... as the image source.  That allows me to use the extractfs service to make a thumbnail image.  Otherwise, the huge camera image slows down the UI greatly
Nov 20 20:52:14 <Templarian> on the submit button just take the submitted value + " hoo!" copy it in the the clipboard function.
Nov 20 20:53:01 <CTLAdvance-work> but what are you doing to call it?
Nov 20 20:53:31 <LoneStar34> Templarian: what if the "hoo" is a dynamic response from an ajax call?
Nov 20 20:53:52 <tr4npt> it's not like the other service calls.  You just "use" that special path, and the services takes over and returns a resized image
Nov 20 20:54:01 <CTLAdvance-work> tr4npt - I think there is a way to get the smaller image
Nov 20 20:54:03 <CTLAdvance-work> I see
Nov 20 20:54:12 <Templarian> Then you call it in the on success callback. LoneStar34. Just Mojo.Controller.StageController.setClipboard()
Nov 20 20:55:00 <tr4npt> I was hoping some Palm guy would be able to tell me what my options were
Nov 20 20:55:08 <sugardave> I think you found them
Nov 20 20:55:13 <CTLAdvance-work> hold on
Nov 20 20:56:58 <CTLAdvance-work> tr4npt
Nov 20 20:57:09 <CTLAdvance-work> if you use a file picker you get two file paths
Nov 20 20:57:25 <CTLAdvance-work> one for an icon and one for the full size
Nov 20 20:57:49 <CTLAdvance-work> I am not sure what the diff is though, I only use the full size one
Nov 20 20:58:43 <LoneStar34> Templarian: ok thanks will work on it.
Nov 20 20:59:02 <CTLAdvance-work> tr4npt my other question is what are you doing with the image
Nov 20 20:59:22 <tr4npt> isn't the file picker interactive?
Nov 20 20:59:22 <CTLAdvance-work> becauseyou have other options depending on what you are doing
Nov 20 20:59:36 <CTLAdvance-work> Ah I see
Nov 20 20:59:42 <CTLAdvance-work> what are you doing exactly
Nov 20 21:00:07 <LoneStar34> btw opera browser rocks, with its embedded irc chat
Nov 20 21:00:38 <tr4npt> I am displaying a 16x16 thumbnail of the camera image.  Many thumbnails, potentially.  If I even have a couple full-size camera images, sized to 16x16 in a <IMG> tag, then the UI is super choppy.
Nov 20 21:01:09 <tr4npt> If I use /var/data/extractfs/... as the IMG SRC, then everything is smooth
Nov 20 21:01:33 <CTLAdvance-work> oy
Nov 20 21:01:59 <CTLAdvance-work> yeah because you are using full sized images
Nov 20 21:01:59 <tr4npt> I got this idea from the palm apps, actually.  They use extractfs to display their thumbnails, as well.
Nov 20 21:02:27 <CTLAdvance-work> Yeah dont use the palm apps =] unless you only want to use homebrew
Nov 20 21:02:35 <CTLAdvance-work> well
Nov 20 21:03:16 <CTLAdvance-work> You may need to wait until it gets opened up, the problem is that the images by them selves take up to much space when you open them all
Nov 20 21:04:26 <CTLAdvance-work> Do you have the ability to do anything on the server side
Nov 20 21:05:12 <Templarian> The second they get the gpu working we will see the image functions.
Nov 20 21:05:32 <tr4npt> everything is local, so I was hoping for some way to resize the images locally
Nov 20 21:05:57 <tr4npt> I really don't want to upload these camera images to a web services just to get the thumbnails
Nov 20 21:06:15 <CTLAdvance-work> tr4npt We dont have any official way to do it that would get it in the app catalog
Nov 20 21:06:43 <CTLAdvance-work> that I am aware of anyways
Nov 20 21:06:49 <CTLAdvance-work> and I have been looking for a while
Nov 20 21:07:58 <tr4npt> <sigh>...  thanks for trying to help
Nov 20 21:10:00 <CTLAdvance-work> Does anyone know where we can get a list of system services?
Nov 20 21:11:17 <LoneStar34> Templarian:  got "this.controller.stageController.setClipboard("hello world",true);" working how would it be modified for dynamic data?
Nov 20 21:11:17 <LoneStar34> }
Nov 20 21:11:41 <CTLAdvance-work> you could put a variable instead of a string
Nov 20 21:11:53 <sugardave> LoneStar34: set your var and call that command in the onSuccess of your Ajax call
Nov 20 21:14:40 <Templarian> What they said. "static text" + variable
Nov 20 21:15:37 <sugardave> fine, bryan, we didn't want you here, anyway!
Nov 20 21:24:19 <LoneStar34> sugardave: getting "undefined" with the following ---	var cb = this.controller.modelChanged(this.resultsModel);  this.controller.stageController.setClipboard(cb,true);
Nov 20 21:25:42 <sugardave> LoneStar34: can you pastebin your stuff?  webos.pastebin.org
Nov 20 21:25:54 <Roy-Pre101> LoneStar34: Does modelChanged really return anything?
Nov 20 21:26:17 <gkatsev> sugardave: i believe its webos.pastebin.com
Nov 20 21:26:21 <sugardave> oh
Nov 20 21:26:23 <sugardave> oops
Nov 20 21:26:39 <sugardave> why, yes it is
Nov 20 21:26:59 <Roy-Pre101> LoneStar34: Please post your results up onto webos101.com
Nov 20 21:27:03 <gkatsev> though, pastebin.org goes to pastebin.com for me, but webos.pastebin.org doesnt...
Nov 20 21:27:06 <Roy-Pre101> When you're done.
Nov 20 21:27:15 <gkatsev> weird
Nov 20 21:28:25 <LoneStar34> ok still running some tests
Nov 20 21:30:41 <tr4npt> LoneStar34 - you need to set cb to a string.  e.g. var cb = this.resultsModel.value; ...setClipboard(cb);
Nov 20 21:40:17 <sugardave> anyone else notice that navigator.userAgent still says webOS 1.2?
Nov 20 21:40:57 <gkatsev> no
Nov 20 21:41:01 <gkatsev> i have not noticed
Nov 20 21:42:20 <sugardave> oh shit
Nov 20 21:42:25 <sugardave> looking at the wrong line
Nov 20 21:42:27 <sugardave> carry on
Nov 20 21:47:40 <LoneStar34> Roy-Pre101: Do I paste all the code into pastebin?
Nov 20 21:47:46 <sugardave> heyhey, admob now has a webOS script
Nov 20 21:48:31 <Roy-Pre101> sugardave: Sweet!
Nov 20 21:48:53 <Roy-Pre101> LoneStar34: If you want to.  Did you mean to the wiki at webos101.com?
Nov 20 21:48:55 <sugardave> looks like I went overkill with my ajax request parms :D
Nov 20 21:49:27 <LoneStar34> or yeah what ever is easier for debugging
Nov 20 21:53:33 <Roy-Pre101> For debugging, use pastebin
Nov 20 21:53:48 <Roy-Pre101> When you have it working, please write an entry on the wiki about using the clipboard.
Nov 20 21:54:40 <LoneStar34> tr4npt: using "var cb = this.resultsModel;  this.controller.stageController.setClipboard(cb,true); pasting in memos returns "[object Object]"
Nov 20 21:54:52 <LoneStar34> ok I will will write an entry for sure.
Nov 20 21:55:08 <LoneStar34> once i get it working correctly
Nov 20 21:59:27 <tr4npt> LoneStar34 - I said "var cb = this.resultsModel.value"...  you left off a piece
Nov 20 22:00:02 <tr4npt> besides, it was just an example...  you can use any string variable.  Just don't use a hash or array
Nov 20 22:02:16 <LoneStar34> tr4npt: getting closer will add the ".value"
Nov 20 22:05:58 <ElVox_> hey does anyone know if you can use regular ol' window.localStorage(key/value pairs) in webos? or is the database the only way to serialize info?
Nov 20 22:06:21 <tr4npt> you can use cookies
Nov 20 22:06:40 <ElVox_> hmm ok thanks
Nov 20 22:07:06 <tr4npt> cookies, the Depot, and SQLite DBs are your options
Nov 20 22:11:36 <LoneStar34> is there an exact date in december when the app store will open?
Nov 20 22:12:13 <CTLAdvance-work> Is adora here?
Nov 20 22:12:51 <gkatsev> CTLAdvance-work: she's here but is she /here/ ?
Nov 20 22:13:03 <CTLAdvance-work> thats what I am asking =]
Nov 20 22:13:16 <gkatsev> is Adora afk?
Nov 20 22:15:40 * CTLAdvance-work holds up roll of tin foil
Nov 20 22:16:09 <CTLAdvance-work> I have put up the adora signal
Nov 20 22:16:15 <CTLAdvance-work> lets see if she responds
Nov 20 22:16:23 <CTLAdvance-work> She is doing actual work I guess ;)
Nov 20 22:27:27 <LoneStar34> coincidentally just got an email from palm, there is no set date in december for the app store
Nov 20 22:31:50 <Giotto> hey guys. anyone has an idea what to do with this message after upgrading to 1.3.1? "Not allowed to load local resource: file://media/internal/  ....
Nov 20 22:31:51 <Giotto> "
Nov 20 22:32:08 <Giotto> that's when trying to access a local file with Ajax.Request
Nov 20 22:32:49 <Giotto> the file actually gets downloaded to the right path with the downloadManager service, it's just I can't access it after that
Nov 20 22:32:51 <Giotto> worked totally fine on 1.2
Nov 20 22:34:04 <natenrb9> anyone know if there is a way to turn up the volume on system sounds?
Nov 20 22:34:43 <kesne-school> heya
Nov 20 22:41:02 <CTLAdvance-work> Heya Kesne
Nov 20 22:52:07 <tr4npt> Giotto - looks like Palm has locked down local file access for all non-Palm apps
Nov 20 22:52:29 <Giotto> got the solution just a second ago :)
Nov 20 22:52:29 <Giotto> see the url?
Nov 20 22:52:29 <Giotto> file://
Nov 20 22:52:32 <Giotto> it should be 3 slashes not 2
Nov 20 22:52:41 <Giotto> daaaaaaaamn
Nov 20 22:52:55 <Giotto> my colleague found it in 10 minutes
Nov 20 22:52:59 <tr4npt> ah
Nov 20 23:01:21 <m55> so you cant even access files local to the app folder?  Like your appinfo.json file and other things like that?
Nov 20 23:04:33 <sl> any palm engineers on?
Nov 20 23:04:34 <samsonjs> good day all
Nov 20 23:04:58 <samsonjs> quick javascript question, it looks like there's no support for the arguments variable. am i crazy or is that so?
Nov 20 23:06:07 <sugardave> I've used arguments
Nov 20 23:06:12 <sugardave> it should be there
Nov 20 23:06:19 <samsonjs> ok thanks.  that's all i needed to hear.
Nov 20 23:06:41 <fsd> anyone written a tool which uses the palm sdk jars?
Nov 20 23:09:37 <fsd> I'm total noob at IRC are there any Palm engineers on here?
Nov 20 23:10:22 <CTLAdvance-work> Dont think your allowed to
Nov 20 23:10:33 <CTLAdvance-work> but I could be wrong
Nov 20 23:11:37 <samsonjs> ok, for the log's sake: the reason I thought arguments wasn't working properly is that it's not a regular object, i.e. you cannot iterate over arguments with for (var arg in arguments) { ... }  ... need to brush up on my JavaScript.  iterating over it using an index from 0 to arguments.length-1 works as expected.
Nov 20 23:14:45 <fsd> Anyone written a tool which uses the SDK jars?
Nov 20 23:18:29 <fsd> Sry, CTLAdvance-work I see your answer now. This is new to me. I am looking for a Palm engineer to clarify.
Nov 20 23:18:40 <CTLAdvance-work> Ah I see
Nov 20 23:18:47 <natenrb9> has anyone heard if an NBA sprint/palm app is on the way (like the NFL or Nascar apps)? That would be pretty sweet.
Nov 20 23:18:48 <CTLAdvance-work> They may have something :)
Nov 20 23:19:15 <CTLAdvance-work> Nate - not sure which carrier owns the NBA ;)
Nov 20 23:19:24 <CTLAdvance-work> nba sponsorship I mean
Nov 20 23:19:49 <natenrb9> It would be sweet
Nov 20 23:22:53 <fsd> Can I ask what IDE does everyone here use?
Nov 20 23:23:29 <fsd> Does everyone hate the Eclipse IDE?
Nov 20 23:24:18 <sugardave> most ar eusing Komodo Edit and Templarian's webOS extension
Nov 20 23:24:19 <Rick_work> no,  some people like it.
Nov 20 23:24:23 <Rick_work> I hate it.
Nov 20 23:24:25 <LoneStar34> eclipse is actually nice for webos development
Nov 20 23:24:39 <SilverCapo> I use notepad
Nov 20 23:24:54 <SilverCapo> j/k...
Nov 20 23:24:58 <sugardave> well, I WAS using vi on the Pre before the SDK came out :P
Nov 20 23:25:03 <fsd> Notepad! Thats hardcore.
Nov 20 23:25:08 <LoneStar34> try komodo edit
Nov 20 23:25:22 <CTLAdvance-work> you need notepad++
Nov 20 23:25:45 <fsd> I am working on mojo debugger plugin. Is this something anyone wants?
Nov 20 23:25:48 <SilverCapo> I hv notepad++ at work but I find it too annoying
Nov 20 23:26:10 <chuqui> sugardave, ctladvance, rick -- send me an email, will you? I want to make sure I have your emails here. (chuq@palm.com) thx
Nov 20 23:27:46 <fsd> I am not feeling the love for Eclipse from Palm.
Nov 20 23:28:06 <fsd> There's been no updates.
Nov 20 23:29:46 <CTLAdvance-work> Chuq - Sent
Nov 20 23:29:56 <fsd> Is this is a waste of everyones time: http://ccgi.arutherford.plus.com/blog/images/Palm/vars2.png
Nov 20 23:30:22 <LoneStar34> at first I was running eclipse and it was always crashing, then I edited a file and now eclipse runs like a charm
Nov 20 23:31:10 <sugardave> chuqui: ditto
Nov 20 23:31:10 <CTLAdvance-work> I used eclipse for Java when I was writing it
Nov 20 23:31:31 <CTLAdvance-work> But now I have Notepad++ for most of my webapps.... However havent had chance to play with eclipse for webos ad on
Nov 20 23:31:35 <chuqui> got it. thanks.
Nov 20 23:38:52 <samsonjs> I've been using Emacs since I got fed up with eclipse.  i'm improving mojo.el from emacswiki to make it more useful. it needs functions to jump to corresponding assistant/view files and such.
Nov 20 23:39:17 <odm4286> hey guys with an unlimited data plan with sprint is it really unlimited?
Nov 20 23:39:27 <odm4286> like using rtorrent nd stuff
Nov 20 23:40:21 <odm4286> I kno there's a 5gig cap on air cards but whatbout phones?
Nov 20 23:41:14 <samsonjs> is there a way to specify a relative URL for a webview widget?  right now i'm using an absolute path in /var/usr/palm but that doesn't seem right.
Nov 20 23:41:51 <Roy-Pre101> odm4286: No limit we know about.  If you tether and use a ton of bandwidth, tho, there's no guarantee they won't catch you.
Nov 20 23:42:18 <Roy-Pre101> samkim: Try out Komodo with the webOS plugin
Nov 20 23:42:21 <Roy-Pre101> oops
Nov 20 23:42:21 <Rick_work> generally 5 gig is considered same
Nov 20 23:42:22 <Rick_work> safe
Nov 20 23:42:27 <Roy-Pre101> wrong target
Nov 20 23:42:42 <sugardave> samsonjs: I think you can do relative, though I haven't tried
Nov 20 23:42:59 <odm4286> hmmm I c roy
Nov 20 23:43:00 <sugardave> but the relative path has to resolve to a valid sndbox location for your app
Nov 20 23:43:08 <odm4286> I'm at 6 gigs already eh
Nov 20 23:43:42 <Roy-Pre101> samsonjs: Try komodo
Nov 20 23:45:02 <samsonjs> sugardave: i've tried to specify relative URLs e.g. file://test.html and then put a test.html in each subdirectory under my app root containing just the path to that copy of test.html, but no dice.  I think the first url must be absolute.  i'll keep trying.
Nov 20 23:45:29 <samsonjs> Roy-Pre101: komodo is quite nice with the webOS plugin but i'm too comfy in Emacs. :)
Nov 20 23:45:40 <odm4286> what's the most bandwidth you guys used so far?
Nov 20 23:45:52 <Roy-Pre101> How can you tel?
Nov 20 23:46:13 <odm4286> you can look on ur sprint bill online
Nov 20 23:46:15 <Roy-Pre101> samsonjs: Go for it then.  I use emacs in terminal...  but I'm not an emacs guru.
Nov 20 23:46:24 <Roy-Pre101> Business account.  Not sure how to log in to it.
Nov 20 23:46:58 <rwhitby> samsonjs: emacs works well in the emulator
Nov 20 23:47:14 <odm4286> eh imma call sprint one day from another phone nd ask if they provide a truly unlimited data plan
Nov 20 23:50:22 <odm4286> n e new homebrew apps worth lookin into
Nov 20 23:59:18 <Roy-Pre101> I hope they did not actually publish my xmas game today.
Nov 20 23:59:38 <Roy-Pre101> I mean, I'm glad it's out of review...
Nov 21 00:00:15 <CTLAdvance-work> Roy the sanat zombie game?
Nov 21 00:04:17 <Roy-Pre101> >sigh<  pFart in the app catalog.
Nov 21 00:04:29 <Roy-Pre101> chuqui: How much did it hurt you to type that into the tweet?
Nov 21 00:04:35 <sugardave> hehe
Nov 21 00:04:44 <chuqui> man, THAT didn't take long
Nov 21 00:04:45 <chuqui> giggle
Nov 21 00:05:02 <incidentist> haaa
Nov 21 00:06:06 <CTLAdvance-work> 1.99 for farts?
Nov 21 00:07:10 <Roy-Pre101> Should be $.99, tha's what the value meal at Taco Bell is.
Nov 21 00:08:16 <chuqui> Shotgun Santa: MORE ZOMBIES!
Nov 21 00:08:31 <sugardave> we could end the fart apps if we only had access to the microphone
Nov 21 00:08:54 <CTLAdvance-work> Yeah but then itwould be record my fart app .99
Nov 21 00:09:22 <sugardave> it's a double-edged sword, I suppose
Nov 21 00:11:45 <kesne> Hmm
Nov 21 00:12:15 <kesne> So, for those of you wondering, Yo Dawg hasnt been submitted yet
Nov 21 00:15:16 <CTLAdvance-work> Chuq anymore coming today?
Nov 21 00:16:55 <sugardave> nice big update
Nov 21 00:17:05 <sugardave> is that Shotgun Santa your game, Roy?
Nov 21 00:17:21 <chuqui> I dunno
Nov 21 00:17:40 <chuqui> I think so, but not positive
Nov 21 00:21:24 <LoneStar34> if we are using the 1.1 SDK we should upgrade to 1.3 is that correct?
Nov 21 00:23:55 <chuqui> yes
Nov 21 00:24:25 <LoneStar34> will a 1.1 program not run correctly on 1.3?
Nov 21 00:26:10 <Roy-Pre101> LoneStar34: It should run OK.
Nov 21 00:26:31 <Roy-Pre101> There may be issues with HTML escaping.
Nov 21 00:26:32 <Roy-Pre101> IIRC.
Nov 21 00:26:52 <LoneStar34> Roy-Pre101: ok thanks
Nov 21 00:26:57 <Roy-Pre101> sugardave: Nope.  I think it's from the guy who did Zombie Invasion
Nov 21 00:27:07 <Roy-Pre101> So it should be pretty good
Nov 21 00:27:18 <Roy-Pre101> (Although I haven't played either)
Nov 21 00:27:27 <Roy-Pre101> But you read the review on the blog, didn't you?
Nov 21 00:30:35 <Roy-Pre101> Yay, my first registration!
Nov 21 00:31:59 <chuqui> clap clap clap clap clap
Nov 21 00:35:28 <Roy-Pre101> :)
Nov 21 00:41:22 <WaY> hello
Nov 21 00:41:39 <WaY> does anybody knows if palm touchscreen can be calibrated?
Nov 21 00:42:22 <Roy-Pre101> Hmm, not that I know of.  Never tried.
Nov 21 00:42:29 <ElVox_> yes but you need sandpaper :P
Nov 21 00:44:02 <WaY> :(
Nov 21 00:45:16 <lyht> new apps! yippy!
Nov 21 00:45:32 <lyht> can't download though. very sad.
Nov 21 00:45:49 <ElVox_> woot got my first submittable ipkg done! chuq should be sooo happy to have another app..
Nov 21 00:51:39 <WaY> there is no messenger for webos?
Nov 21 00:53:38 <pandora--> yesssssss. fridaaaaaaay
Nov 21 00:53:46 <pandora--> WaY: what, like aim?
Nov 21 00:54:23 <WaY> msn protocol messenger, any...
Nov 21 00:54:30 <WaY> like nimbuzz, etc
Nov 21 00:54:34 <pandora--> you can do Yahoo! and AIM
Nov 21 00:54:47 <WaY> ok, but I'm asking for msn protocol :S
Nov 21 00:55:06 <pandora--> nope
Nov 21 00:55:11 <pandora--> maybe in homebrew
Nov 21 00:55:15 <pandora--> but nothing out of the box
Nov 21 00:55:26 <WaY> and for the palm old so emulator?
Nov 21 00:55:28 <pandora--> people use msn for IMs?
Nov 21 00:55:28 <pandora--> man.
Nov 21 00:55:47 <WaY> here at spain is very common
Nov 21 00:56:06 <pandora--> weird
Nov 21 00:56:54 <rwhitby> WaY: there's a thread on PreCentral - and a complex early alpha homebrew intrusive patch which enables it.
Nov 21 00:57:29 <WaY> ok, I'm going to have a look
Nov 21 00:57:41 <WaY> I'm an ex-symbian user, so I'm a bit lost actually
Nov 21 01:00:58 <kesne> AHH
Nov 21 01:01:01 <kesne> Is Adora here?
Nov 21 01:01:18 <Adora> barely
Nov 21 01:01:33 <pandora--> ya it's friday at 5pm
Nov 21 01:01:38 <pandora--> what are all you people doing here?
Nov 21 01:01:42 <pandora--> (PST)
Nov 21 01:01:43 * ElVox_ notices the chat suddenly gets sillier
Nov 21 01:02:21 <Adora> barely as in focused on soooo much other stuff
Nov 21 01:02:38 <pandora--> like youtube?
Nov 21 01:03:13 <Adora> pandora--:  I wish
Nov 21 01:03:25 <kesne> Adora: http://keen-studios.net/
Nov 21 01:03:35 <kesne> Look at the faded white text next to the title
Nov 21 01:04:17 <WaY> I tought serial number was the same as IMEI :S
Nov 21 01:04:48 <Adora> oh, ahahahaha
Nov 21 01:04:53 <Adora> I didn't even notice it
Nov 21 01:05:16 <Adora> I have now left my mark on the world
Nov 21 01:05:21 <Adora> and can die without regret
Nov 21 01:05:44 <kesne> Adora: It's also in the app itself, so you can also be happy about that
Nov 21 01:07:29 * ElVox_ is sad, the only thing he ever started was the "You're fired!" craze
Nov 21 01:07:46 <WaY> it's normal palm getting hotter when opening 3 apps?
Nov 21 01:19:28 <pandora--> WaY: lol i don't think so
Nov 21 01:19:33 <pandora--> WaY: unless one of them uses gps
Nov 21 01:19:40 <pandora--> then expect it to melt through the floor
Nov 21 01:23:54 <JenP> hi all!
Nov 21 01:24:26 <WaY> ehe, I've just changed to new firmware version... I hope this helps getting cooler
Nov 21 01:26:04 <WaY> any good app for gps like tomtom or sygic?
Nov 21 01:27:26 <bmyers> Hi Jenp
Nov 21 01:27:39 <JenP> hey bmyers!
Nov 21 01:27:44 <JenP> how it going?
Nov 21 01:28:09 <bmyers> good. Went to the MET today for some culture.. Hows it going out there?
Nov 21 01:28:10 <pandora--> WaY: i take it you're not a sprint customer?
Nov 21 01:28:44 <JenP> going good..have a long weekend of work planned...
Nov 21 01:29:05 <bmyers> oh boy. u know how to party..
Nov 21 01:29:27 <JenP> lol yup i'm a machine...
Nov 21 01:29:56 <bmyers> saw lots of shoe store on 5th ave and thought of u.. u would love it there..
Nov 21 01:30:06 <JenP> but you know what i'll be doing the day after thanksgiving....;-)
Nov 21 01:30:18 <bmyers> um, shopping?
Nov 21 01:30:28 <WaY> it's my girlfriend phone pandora-- and now shes outside, so I have to hurry up to have a look at her phone
Nov 21 01:30:39 <JenP> come on....what kinda shopping...you know you want to say it
Nov 21 01:30:57 <JenP> WaY that's funny
Nov 21 01:31:03 <bmyers> not shoe shopping?
Nov 21 01:31:25 <JenP> JenPs heart flutters
Nov 21 01:31:36 <bmyers> :)
Nov 21 01:31:53 <bmyers> u sound worse than even my wife..
Nov 21 01:32:20 <pandora--> WaY: hah well, if she's sprint it comes with a good gps app for turn-by-turn navigation and voice navigation
Nov 21 01:32:56 <WaY> it only comes with google maps...
Nov 21 01:33:17 <pandora--> bummer
Nov 21 01:33:49 <pandora--> JenP: my fiancee has been shoe shopping like CRAZY for the last two weeks
Nov 21 01:33:52 <pandora--> crazy.
Nov 21 01:33:54 <WaY> bummer? I'm going to have a look
Nov 21 01:34:00 <pandora--> shoes. in like 40 tabs in firefox
Nov 21 01:34:21 <pandora--> WaY: well, it would only be there for sprint customers (which i'm guessing that since you're in spain.. you aren't)
Nov 21 01:34:45 <WaY> nop, there's no bummer in my phone and also in app store
Nov 21 01:35:46 <samsonjs> event propagation question: I handle Mojo.Event.back in my scene assistant's handleCommand method and call event.stopPropagation() but the event still bubbles somehow.  I can't catch the same back event in my stage assistant but the event is handled somewhere else as well because webOS goes into "Switch card view" (sorry if i'm butchering the standard terminology) ... pointers? shall i pastie some code?
Nov 21 01:37:02 <lmorchard> Woot! One of my apps just graduated to the App Catalog
Nov 21 01:37:12 <bmyers> samson: there is another propagation stop command isnt there?
Nov 21 01:38:14 <samsonjs> bmyers: are you saying there's a stop propagation command that goes down the chain? or another method i should call on the event itself?
Nov 21 01:38:16 <pandora--> WaY: "bummer" was an expression, sorry :)
Nov 21 01:38:35 <WaY> ahm, I have no clue of speaking english :)
Nov 21 01:38:49 <bmyers> lemme look
Nov 21 01:38:53 <samsonjs> lmorchard: congrats on the app!
Nov 21 01:38:54 <pandora--> better than my spanish ;)
Nov 21 01:39:15 <JenP> pandora...you know shoes are the gift that keeps giving back
Nov 21 01:39:16 <lmorchard> And now that BlockChalk has been approved, it's time to ship out a bugfix version already
Nov 21 01:39:38 <JenP> lmorchard! awesome which one?
Nov 21 01:39:45 <lmorchard> JenP: BlockChalk :)
Nov 21 01:39:53 <JenP> cool
Nov 21 01:39:54 <bmyers> try Mojo.Event.stopPropagation(); instead
Nov 21 01:40:13 <pandora--> JenP: they so aren't.
Nov 21 01:40:13 <lmorchard> I wish I could link into the catalog, but their web page for the app catalog looks less than useful
Nov 21 01:40:17 <samsonjs> bmyers: trying ...
Nov 21 01:40:22 <Roy-Pre101> lmorchard: Gratz!
Nov 21 01:40:50 <JenP> pandora yeah they are...there's no better gift you can give your man than you in a pair of stiletos
Nov 21 01:41:23 <Roy-Pre101> Adora: Grr.  Apparently they pushed my xmas app even though I asked for it not to be pushed until after thanksgiving.
Nov 21 01:41:42 <bmyers> well, there is nothing sexier than a man with a vacuum cleaner in his hand..
Nov 21 01:41:49 <samsonjs> bmyers: no such method :(
Nov 21 01:42:25 <samsonjs> is the return value from handleCommand used at all?
Nov 21 01:42:53 <samsonjs> should I be messing with event.cancelBubble (boolean) or event.bubbles (boolean), or are those internal?
Nov 21 01:43:17 <bmyers> there is such a method samson..
Nov 21 01:44:11 <samsonjs> i think it's meant to be called on event instances though.  I called Mojo.Event.stopPropagation() and in the log it says: 	    return event;
Nov 21 01:45:02 <samsonjs> er, it says: Uncaught TypeError: Object #<an InstallPrototypeBuiltIn> has no method 'stopPropagation'
Nov 21 01:45:18 <bmyers> pastebin might help..
Nov 21 01:45:35 <samsonjs> ok i'll pastie it. thanks for your help.
Nov 21 01:45:49 <themirthfulswami> hi all
Nov 21 01:46:36 <bmyers> hi ho..
Nov 21 01:46:57 <themirthfulswami> evening!
Nov 21 01:47:21 <ElVox_> ..on half the planet..
Nov 21 01:47:37 <themirthfulswami> can anyone give me some advice on using the webos repair utility?
Nov 21 01:47:42 <bmyers> samson: http://www.weboshelp.net/webos-mojo-development-resources/api-reference/370-mojoeventstoppropagation
Nov 21 01:47:59 <themirthfulswami> I need to replace just my messaging app
Nov 21 01:48:22 <Roy-Pre101> themirthfulswami: Try #webos-internals
Nov 21 01:48:31 <themirthfulswami> thanks :)
Nov 21 01:50:24 <samsonjs> (reading bmyers link) ... pastebin: http://pastebin.ca/1680367
Nov 21 01:51:20 <ElVox_> did you try returning false from the function?
Nov 21 01:52:09 <samsonjs> I did, but will again.
Nov 21 01:53:55 <samsonjs> ElVox_: no dice
Nov 21 01:54:40 <samsonjs> well thanks for your help guys but it's almost 6pm here and I'm going to pack it in for the night.  i'll see you in the next debugging session, or better yet maybe be back with an answer.
Nov 21 01:55:22 <bmyers> ok.
Nov 21 01:55:42 <samsonjs> enjoy your weekends all! see you later.
Nov 21 02:07:27 <Adora> Roy-Pre101:  oops, sorry about that
Nov 21 02:08:47 <Adora> we've all been super focused today and it probably slipped by
Nov 21 02:09:03 <Adora> although to be honest, I don't think we've ever had that request yet, hehehe
Nov 21 02:09:23 <Adora> I would love for our system to provide for that, though
Nov 21 02:09:43 <Adora> give final golive control to the developer
Nov 21 02:09:50 <Adora> (I make no promise that it'll ever happen, though)
Nov 21 02:12:24 <bmyers> wrong window?
Nov 21 02:33:50 <rboatright> Adora hi!
Nov 21 02:35:11 <reality9110> Itemscallback...do I just put my ajax call in it?
Nov 21 02:35:36 <rboatright> Evening Doc.
Nov 21 02:35:42 <reality9110> Hello rick
Nov 21 02:35:44 <JenP> hi Doc!!
Nov 21 02:35:48 <JenP> Hi Rick!!
Nov 21 02:35:49 <reality9110> Hey Jen
Nov 21 02:36:22 <rboatright> He Jen
Nov 21 02:36:33 <reality9110> I've got this list, I'm currently pulling by an ajax call.
Nov 21 02:36:40 <rboatright> sugardave:  you here?
Nov 21 02:36:41 <reality9110> But, the images take forever to load.
Nov 21 02:36:49 <rboatright> :-(
Nov 21 02:36:53 <reality9110> So I'm thinking about using itemscallback but can't figure out for the life of me how to use it
Nov 21 02:36:57 <rboatright> are they too big?
Nov 21 02:37:01 <reality9110> Yeah
Nov 21 02:37:07 <reality9110> Lots of them as well.
Nov 21 02:37:54 <rboatright> oh dear
Nov 21 02:37:57 <rboatright> you're doing lists.
Nov 21 02:38:05 <rboatright> and you're wanting to render X list items
Nov 21 02:38:19 <rboatright> and then have the list only download and render the NEXT X when it needs them.
Nov 21 02:38:35 <zsoc|away> Eclipse is amazing
Nov 21 02:38:36 <rboatright> and the documentation on lists _sucks_ and the itemscallback examples all do not work.
Nov 21 02:38:40 <rboatright> welcome to list hell.
Nov 21 02:39:20 <rboatright> I may have a solution
Nov 21 02:39:23 <rboatright> give me a moment
Nov 21 02:45:07 <JenP> I still don't have access to the dev portal
Nov 21 02:46:28 <rboatright> reality9110:  I have a suggestion for you
Nov 21 02:47:07 <rboatright> in the youtube app on the pre, in search assistant is a VERY good example of how to use itemscallback
Nov 21 02:51:07 <kesne> freakout here?
Nov 21 02:51:26 <reality9110> rboatright: Checking it out now
Nov 21 02:52:49 <sugardave> rboatright: yes, what's up?
Nov 21 02:54:02 <rboatright> haven't been able to complete that yet.
Nov 21 02:54:10 <rboatright> DId you suggest you had changed code to feed me ?
Nov 21 02:55:49 <sugardave> rboatright: was that for me?
Nov 21 02:56:53 <rboatright> sugardave yes,  I though you said you had additional functionality that you wanted to give me for our test
Nov 21 02:56:59 <sugardave> oh
Nov 21 02:57:11 <sugardave> I gotta keep a list of nicks
Nov 21 02:57:27 <sugardave> I thought you and rick_* were different people
Nov 21 02:57:51 <rboatright> oh
Nov 21 02:57:53 <rboatright> Sorry.
Nov 21 02:57:54 <sugardave> I just have added the AdMob text ad as another test
Nov 21 02:57:58 <rboatright> ok
Nov 21 02:58:11 <sugardave> so if you have an admob account, I can change it over
Nov 21 02:58:12 <rboatright> yeah, this is my "root" identity  All the others are variations on the theme
Nov 21 02:58:21 <sugardave> now I got it :D
Nov 21 02:58:38 <sugardave> but you should get the first stuff working first
Nov 21 02:58:44 <rboatright> I've been using this as my primary on line chat ID since  the late 1970's.
Nov 21 02:59:16 <sugardave> are you having any success with what I sent you?
Nov 21 02:59:39 <rboatright> got stopped.  Work intervened, then wifely things and dinner and etc.
Nov 21 02:59:44 <rboatright> Just getting back to the computer now.
Nov 21 02:59:54 <sugardave> ah cool...I'm working on AdFonic right now
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