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Nov 24 03:00:01 <elryon> I'll figure it out.
Nov 24 03:01:19 <elryon> I think I got it....
Nov 24 03:19:56 <sugardave> alright...Mind Master average rating went up to 3.5
Nov 24 03:20:10 <sugardave> I'm just below Checkers Pro on the Classic list now ;)
Nov 24 03:32:43 <kesne> is sugardave here?
Nov 24 03:32:52 <kesne> or CTLAdvance-work?
Nov 24 03:33:00 <kesne> sugardave, I see you
Nov 24 03:38:44 <haeffb_> dave's not here
Nov 24 03:39:24 <sugardave> I got the stuff...
Nov 24 04:08:54 <bmyers_here> if one does a list swipe delete and then pops up a confirm dialog to be sure the user wants to delete it, is there an easy way to slide the list item back in there or just do a modelchange and let it redraw everything?
Nov 24 04:09:20 <bmyers_here> if they hit cancel on the  confirm dialog..
Nov 24 04:13:55 <atlanta> it should just but it back
Nov 24 04:14:37 <bmyers_here> it does if you hit cancel in the list row.
Nov 24 04:15:18 <bmyers_here> what i mean is, i pop up another dialog that asks if you really really sure (too much M$ programming in me)
Nov 24 04:15:45 <bmyers_here> if you cancel out of that one, can i slide the list row back in there like it does when you hit cancel
Nov 24 04:15:56 <bmyers_here> in the list row cancel button.
Nov 24 04:16:21 <sugardave> bmyers_here: can you just send the event to the cancel button?
Nov 24 04:17:55 <bmyers_here> i dont think i follow u there sugardave..
Nov 24 04:19:13 <sugardave> like, you are checking if the user is canceling in the second dialog...if they cancel there, can you just send a tap event to the underneath cancel button?
Nov 24 04:19:27 <sugardave> and then it will redraw?
Nov 24 04:20:48 <bmyers_here> when you hit the red delete button in the listswipe its already gone when the dialog comes up..
Nov 24 04:21:32 <sugardave> oh...I thought the underlying cancel/are you sure options were still showing
Nov 24 04:21:34 <sugardave> nevermind
Nov 24 04:22:09 <bmyers_here> not a biggie really. it just redraws the list when you ended up doing nothing..
Nov 24 04:22:12 <sugardave> you would have to keep track of the event target, I guess, then manually re-insert it
Nov 24 04:22:43 <bmyers_here> i'll go check the forum. i cant be the first one..
Nov 24 04:32:28 <JenP> hi all!
Nov 24 04:32:43 <bmyers_here> TQOS!!!!!!
Nov 24 04:33:08 <JenP> TQOA?
Nov 24 04:33:11 <JenP> S
Nov 24 04:33:13 <JenP> ?
Nov 24 04:33:20 <JenP> :-S
Nov 24 04:33:23 <bmyers_here> the queen of SHOES
Nov 24 04:33:32 <JenP> lol omg i just caught that
Nov 24 04:33:51 <bmyers_here> HELLO
Nov 24 04:33:59 <JenP> How are you doing bmyers?
Nov 24 04:34:16 <bmyers_here> i'm ok. every day above ground is a good one..
Nov 24 04:34:17 <bmyers_here> u?
Nov 24 04:34:31 <JenP> good! i submitted my app to palm finally
Nov 24 04:34:38 <JenP> so now i just get to wait...
Nov 24 04:34:41 <bmyers_here> the debt one?
Nov 24 04:34:48 <JenP> yeah
Nov 24 04:35:00 <JenP> but i really want to make a game next...
Nov 24 04:35:05 <JenP> i just don't know how...LOL
Nov 24 04:35:17 <bmyers_here> depends on the game i suppose..
Nov 24 04:35:25 <bmyers_here> what sort of game?
Nov 24 04:35:57 <JenP> idk ...a brain challenge type?
Nov 24 04:36:10 <rwhitby> Hi JenP
Nov 24 04:36:19 <JenP> rwitby! HIya!
Nov 24 04:36:55 * rwhitby goes back to helping package the camcorder service ...
Nov 24 04:37:09 <bmyers_here> let the man work!!
Nov 24 04:37:15 <JenP> woohoo! let me know I'll beta it
Nov 24 04:37:56 <bmyers_here> sound too?
Nov 24 04:38:16 <rwhitby> bmyers_here: dunno, I'm just the packaging monkey
Nov 24 04:38:50 <bmyers_here> you're killing me here...
Nov 24 04:39:06 <Roy-Pre101> rwhitby: I read that as 'I'm just packaging the monkey'...  which I was confused about.
Nov 24 04:39:16 <Roy-Pre101> Is it a euphamism?
Nov 24 04:39:22 <rwhitby> bmyers_here: the discussion is in #webos-internals
Nov 24 04:39:26 <Roy-Pre101> But then, I read it.
Nov 24 04:39:36 <bmyers_here> i c
Nov 24 04:39:49 <rwhitby> zsoc is testing the gstservice binaries, which I've packaged into an ipkg in the webos-internals testing feed
Nov 24 04:40:50 <JenP> ok bf wants to do another whack a mole game....
Nov 24 04:40:59 <JenP> do we really need another whack a mole game?
Nov 24 04:41:19 <zsoc> what? who?
Nov 24 04:41:21 <rwhitby> JenP: that first sentence has a completely different meaning in Australia
Nov 24 04:41:47 <JenP> a....good...meaning?
Nov 24 04:42:36 <JenP> oh dear god BF is now going into every saying he knows for ....
Nov 24 04:42:43 <JenP> uh...taking care of yourself....
Nov 24 04:44:27 <rwhitby> JenP: nope, look up "mole" in australian slang
Nov 24 04:45:39 <zsoc> excellent
Nov 24 04:45:43 <zsoc> always a learning experience in here
Nov 24 04:45:49 <rwhitby> JenP: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moll_(slang)
Nov 24 04:46:09 <rwhitby> JenP: then re-read your first sentence on the subject
Nov 24 04:46:21 <JenP> OMG! I'm way too sensitive for that
Nov 24 04:46:36 <JenP> totally not my intent!
Nov 24 04:46:36 <bmyers_here> i think its a great game idea
Nov 24 04:46:52 <bmyers_here> you could package it with the jive interpreter
Nov 24 04:47:05 <JenP> oh no don't get started w/ that one
Nov 24 04:47:20 <rwhitby> JenP: sorry, didn't mean to imply anything, it just gave me a chuckle :-)
Nov 24 04:47:25 <Roy-Pre101> JenP: Maybe he can add 'packaging the monkey' to his list
Nov 24 04:47:31 <JenP> no no it's ok....
Nov 24 04:47:33 <JenP> LOL
Nov 24 04:48:10 <JenP> ok...i'm nice and red now...
Nov 24 04:48:21 <JenP> :$
Nov 24 04:49:23 <Roy-Pre101> haha
Nov 24 04:49:30 <Roy-Pre101> zsoc: So, close to release, is it?
Nov 24 04:49:39 <bmyers_here> whack a hoe.. great game..
Nov 24 04:49:53 <JenP> LOL
Nov 24 04:50:01 <bmyers_here> even my wife laughed..
Nov 24 04:50:41 <zsoc> Roy-Pre101, not at all... just wanted to start on the right path
Nov 24 04:51:43 <Roy-Pre101> zsoc: Did you get your threading working?
Nov 24 04:53:19 <zsoc> Roy-Pre101, nope, temp work around
Nov 24 05:24:56 * rwhitby finished packaging video recorder app
Nov 24 05:25:08 <JenP> cool!
Nov 24 05:26:55 <Roy-Pre101> @whee
Nov 24 05:28:52 <thebitguru> If I have an inline function as a parameter, does it automatically get the 'this' keyword bound?
Nov 24 05:36:19 <Roy-Pre101> no, you'll need to bind it, if I'm following what you're saying...
Nov 24 05:47:17 * zsoc is a zombie
Nov 24 05:49:28 <zsoc> sleeeeeeeeeppppppppppp
Nov 24 06:09:22 <akili> can a spinner be added to a command menu button?
Nov 24 06:21:09 <rwhitby> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Precorder
Nov 24 06:21:20 <rwhitby> courtesy of zsoc
Nov 24 06:21:42 <zsoc> Oh yeah lets show everyone how ugly it is ;)
Nov 24 06:29:16 <bpadalino> looks good to me
Nov 24 06:29:19 <bpadalino> works really well
Nov 24 06:33:45 <thebitguru> Can someone please help me with an issue? http://www.pastethat.com/lNwKb  Question is in the paste.
Nov 24 06:41:19 <thebitguru> never mind, I found out what the problem was.
Nov 24 07:17:56 <LoneStar34> if I name a file "first-assistant.js" do the functions have to be called "function FirstAssistant()"?
Nov 24 07:24:52 <Laxidasical> Anyone around?
Nov 24 07:26:08 <LoneStar34> yeah,
Nov 24 07:26:20 <pandora--> yup
Nov 24 07:27:14 <pandora--> coding groovy tonight though
Nov 24 07:27:26 <pandora--> submitted my 2nd app to palm last night, so done with palm coding for a few days
Nov 24 07:28:58 <LoneStar34> is there a guide on how to convert app into the proper format for submission?
Nov 24 07:30:49 <Laxidasical> Any of you guys use the timeout service before?
Nov 24 07:31:11 <Laxidasical> You mean package it to an ipk file?
Nov 24 07:33:09 <LoneStar34> yes exactly
Nov 24 07:35:02 <Laxidasical> http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1758#_RunningApplicationsontheEmulator-PackageAndInstallFileEmulator
Nov 24 07:36:07 <Laxidasical> What program are you using to code in?
Nov 24 07:36:55 <LoneStar34> eclipse
Nov 24 07:38:48 <Laxidasical> You can package and install right in Eclipse.  I forget exactly how, I know it's one of the Palm Pre shaped buttons at the top.  I use a different program (can't stand eclipse), sorry...
Nov 24 07:39:33 <LoneStar34> ok no problem, i will look into it
Nov 24 07:39:41 <LoneStar34> what program do you use? kmodo?
Nov 24 07:40:06 <pandora--> i just use the palm-package commandline tool
Nov 24 07:40:11 <pandora--> keeps things pretty simple
Nov 24 07:40:24 <pandora--> creates the ipk nice and easy
Nov 24 07:40:35 <Laxidasical> Anyone have about 5 minutes to look at a few lines of code?  It's related to the timeout/alarm service (palm://com.palm.power/timeout)???
Nov 24 07:41:43 <Laxidasical> I use Textpad.  I created a batch file that packages & installs, then added it as a tool.  Funny I just mentioned this in a post at PreCentral earlier...
Nov 24 07:42:09 <pandora--> Laxidasical: pretty close to you here
Nov 24 07:42:19 <pandora--> vim + bash script
Nov 24 07:42:55 <Laxidasical> Here it is: http://forums.precentral.net/2058387-post8.html
Nov 24 07:44:26 <Laxidasical> Pandora: Yeah, I really didn't want to abandon my usual editor just for webOS, this made it MUCH easier!  I was spending quite a bit of time running palm-package/palm-install.
Nov 24 07:44:59 <pandora--> yeah, i do all my coding in vim
Nov 24 07:46:32 <Laxidasical> I'm pretty new to this channel (IRC for that matter).  When is it usually busiest?
Nov 24 07:47:33 <ElVox> i would say around 12-7 EST
Nov 24 07:48:43 <Laxidasical> 11-6 for me.  I'm a night owl, 95% of the coding I do is between 12 -6 AM!  I guess I miss out...
Nov 24 07:49:01 <droO> sup vox :)
Nov 24 07:49:11 <ElVox> 12-7 in the daytime :)
Nov 24 07:49:13 <ElVox> sup droo
Nov 24 07:49:24 <droO> nm :D up late again ;/
Nov 24 07:49:41 <droO> how u doin? still wastin away the days? lol
Nov 24 07:50:01 <LoneStar34> Laxidasical: I am a creature of the night also!
Nov 24 07:51:16 <Laxidasical> LoneStar: *grin*  My father use to call my sister and I vampires.  I'm so glad I don't work 9-5 any more, I didn't know what to do with myself!
Nov 24 07:51:41 <ElVox> droO: yeah, im in the design paralysis stage of development...i know what has to get done and have a procedure mapped out but I am hesitant to actually do "it"
Nov 24 07:52:24 <LoneStar34> so much better to code at night time
Nov 24 07:52:26 <droO> :D well atleast ur makin progress
Nov 24 07:52:35 <droO> same idea u were talking about before?
Nov 24 07:54:02 <ElVox> yes.  I actually have a game i want to make. if only i could draw :D
Nov 24 07:54:21 <droO> lol?
Nov 24 07:54:23 <droO> i can draw :D
Nov 24 07:54:26 <droO> + got digipen
Nov 24 07:55:07 <ElVox> digipen?
Nov 24 07:55:43 <droO> like a digital pen thing w/ a pad
Nov 24 07:55:46 <droO> so i can draw in photoshop
Nov 24 07:55:57 <droO> im tired so brain = not fully working
Nov 24 07:55:58 <droO> but
Nov 24 07:55:59 <droO> ya
Nov 24 07:56:12 <ElVox> ahah! i need some pandas and bamboo :D
Nov 24 07:56:19 <Laxidasical> LoneStar: Less distractions.  The ball & chain is sound asleep, so it's just me, my computer, and a beverage of choice...
Nov 24 07:56:27 <droO> :D
Nov 24 07:56:28 <droO> like vector?
Nov 24 07:56:29 <droO> or
Nov 24 07:56:38 <droO> i could make some coo pandas and some bamboo :D
Nov 24 07:56:57 <LoneStar34> Laxidascial:  yeah hear that, no ball and chain, but less distractions for sure
Nov 24 07:58:20 <Laxidasical> LoneStar: She's great actually, I can't complain about her at all.  She generally lets me be when I'm coding.  So how long have you been doing mobile apps?
Nov 24 07:59:19 <LoneStar34> began back in with WML and stopped for until now
Nov 24 07:59:52 <LoneStar34> find the webos interesting, I am web programmer
Nov 24 08:00:50 <LoneStar34> WebOS is totally new to me,  but seems cool so far
Nov 24 08:01:43 <pandora--> Laxidasical: lol ball and chain eh?
Nov 24 08:02:07 <Laxidasical> I've been mainly doing PHP development that last 6 years.  I probably knew about 50% of the javascript I really should have going into this.  I caught on pretty quick though.
Nov 24 08:02:45 <Laxidasical> Pandora: LOL - a new one too, just over a month.  It's still shiny!!! LOL
Nov 24 08:04:10 <LoneStar34> still learning here, but should have a working app by the end of the week
Nov 24 08:05:00 <Laxidasical> Me too, if I can get past this darn timeout problem.  I've looked at this pice of code over and over.  I know it's something little.
Nov 24 08:05:14 <Laxidasical> piece of code that is
Nov 24 08:06:48 <pandora--> Laxidasical: haha only a month and she already got that title? hehe tough love
Nov 24 08:07:57 <LoneStar34> Laxidasical, what state are you in?
Nov 24 08:08:07 <Laxidasical> Pandora: I mean it Lovingly, I stroke my ball & chain every day! *devilish grin*
Nov 24 08:08:21 <Laxidasical> Illinois
Nov 24 08:08:32 <Laxidasical> I assume you are in TX
Nov 24 08:09:09 <pandora--> heheh
Nov 24 08:10:09 <Laxidasical> Since I'm new here...can everyone give a quick list of the apps they've released?
Nov 24 08:11:00 <LoneStar34> yeah - texas
Nov 24 08:12:37 <Laxidasical> I've been to every state east of the mississippi river, but I can never seem to make it west that often.  Been to Cali, Colorado, and Arizona, but never Texas.  One of these days...
Nov 24 08:13:41 <LoneStar34> yeah, been to all the states u mentioned except illinois
Nov 24 08:13:51 <Laxidasical> LOL
Nov 24 08:14:00 <LoneStar34> used to live in San Diego as of a few months ago
Nov 24 08:14:07 <LoneStar34> will go back at one point
Nov 24 08:14:10 <Laxidasical> Navy?
Nov 24 08:14:24 <LoneStar34> neah, just freelancing
Nov 24 08:14:38 <Laxidasical> San Diego is beautiful!
Nov 24 08:14:54 <LoneStar34> yeah it is awesome, just got burned out of SD for a while
Nov 24 08:15:06 <pandora--> yeah, SD is good every once in a while
Nov 24 08:15:10 * pandora-- lives in los angeles
Nov 24 08:15:22 <Laxidasical> I know how that is, sometimes you just need a new scene.
Nov 24 08:15:53 <Laxidasical> I love LA!  Haven't been in a few years, I definitely have to get there in 2010.
Nov 24 08:16:17 <pandora--> Laxidasical: to your question, I've release one app (iBored) and another is being reviewed right now
Nov 24 08:16:19 <pandora--> for palm that is
Nov 24 08:16:25 <LoneStar34> last time i was in LA went to a BarCamp
Nov 24 08:16:47 <Laxidasical> Pandora: How long did it take iBored to get into the app catalog?
Nov 24 08:17:38 <pandora--> 4 weeks to get any reply from palm, then an additional 1-2 weeks to get it into the live catalog
Nov 24 08:18:49 <LoneStar34> is there a way to view the live catalog?
Nov 24 08:19:01 <Laxidasical> My first time was for a conference for a college organization.  Meetings all day and partying to 6 AM for 7 straight days.  To this day I have no clue how I got/from the airport on the way back.  I don't even remember the 6 hour flight back to Philly!
Nov 24 08:19:56 <rbredow> You guys ever have trouble getting background images to display properly with css?
Nov 24 08:20:25 <rbredow> I feel like I've tried every combination...and I can see a background-color working fine, but background-image seems to be ignored everytime.
Nov 24 08:20:56 <Laxidasical> Pandora:  How long ago was that?  I've heard things are getting a little better.  Hopefully my app doesn't take forever and a day.  I'm rather have a quick no than a LONG yes.  That way I can fix whatever they didn't like and submit again...
Nov 24 08:21:44 <Laxidasical> rbredow: Are you sure the path to your images are correct?
Nov 24 08:21:56 <rbredow> Wow.  Just figured it out finally.
Nov 24 08:22:18 <rbredow> The path needed to be relative from the css file.  In my case '../images/sky.jpg'
Nov 24 08:22:31 <rbredow> I guess I just needed to ask...then it would come to me!
Nov 24 08:22:36 <Laxidasical> LoneStar: You mean outside of a Pre or Pixi?  Palm does have an app website, but I don't know if it's updated.
Nov 24 08:23:40 <Laxidasical> http://www.palm.com/us/products/software/mobile-applications.html
Nov 24 08:24:30 <pandora--> Laxidasical: that app went live about 3 weeks ago
Nov 24 08:24:37 <Laxidasical> rdredow: That is how it usually works!  I figured it was an incorrect path as soon as you mentioned it...
Nov 24 08:24:56 <rbredow> I think I tried every path but the right one!
Nov 24 08:24:58 <rbredow> thx
Nov 24 08:25:40 <Laxidasical> I JUST read something about Mojo.appPath.  Haven't tried it yet, I planned to tonight...
Nov 24 08:26:37 <Laxidasical> Anyone care to look at this: http://webos.pastebin.com/df029418  Do you see what I'm doing wrong in the highlighted section???
Nov 24 08:29:14 <Laxidasical> Pandora: *grin* @ 90210
Nov 24 08:29:27 <pandora--> ll
Nov 24 08:29:38 <pandora--> not in 90210 lol
Nov 24 08:32:04 <Laxidasical> Keep building good apps, you'll get there! (or someplace like it).  Speaking of which, I'll be glad when the app limit is faxed.  That and GPU support are my two biggest remaining gripes.  Once those are fixed I'll be an extremely happy camper!  Right now I'm just very happy.
Nov 24 08:41:00 <pandora--> Laxidasical: hehe, i'm by the beach, I'm good :)
Nov 24 08:41:33 <pandora--> i would nevvvver move to beverly hills haha
Nov 24 08:45:57 <Laxidasical> I drove through when I was in LA.  Very nice homes, but I don't think I'd want to move their either!
Nov 24 08:46:56 <LoneStar34> how would I place a dynamic value in the following: "'<a href="">'+ rc +'</a>'"  inside '<ahref="">'?
Nov 24 08:47:37 <Laxidasical> You want "rc" to be dynamic, or the value of href?
Nov 24 08:48:31 <LoneStar34> Laxidasical: yes rc
Nov 24 08:49:02 <LoneStar34> i know php is "'.$rc.'" but not sure with js
Nov 24 08:49:33 <pandora--> just like you wrote it
Nov 24 08:49:50 <Laxidasical> Ah, you mean how to concantinate...pretty much the same way you posted the first time.
Nov 24 08:49:54 <pandora--> "literal " + variable + " literal"
Nov 24 08:49:55 <pandora--> etc
Nov 24 08:50:09 <Laxidasical> You have to instantiate rc somewhere before that
Nov 24 08:54:27 <LoneStar34> ok - thanks,  i think I need more than <a href> to link to website from a stage/scene
Nov 24 08:54:27 <Laxidasical> What size should banner icons be/
Nov 24 08:54:57 <Laxidasical> Nope...works fine in my scenes.
Nov 24 08:56:36 <Laxidasical> As a matter of fact, I thought I was going to have to do a cross-app call to the web browser when I first started coding.  I put an achor tag in as a place holder and was happily surprised when it worked!
Nov 24 08:57:04 <pandora--> hah nice
Nov 24 08:58:28 <LoneStar34> Laxidasical: so <a hef="http://yahoo.com">go to yhoo</a>  would work with any special mojo code?
Nov 24 09:00:23 <ElVox> exactly...there is even a special uri for phone numbers so that you can have a link that you simply click on to dial
Nov 24 09:02:13 * pandora-- nods
Nov 24 09:04:25 <LoneStar34> how does one change the grey background of the "stage/scene"  will a simple css background-color: work?
Nov 24 09:06:38 <ElVox> LoneStar34: pretty much. web apps are more similar to traditional web pages than different
Nov 24 09:07:50 <ElVox> err, webos apps
Nov 24 09:09:37 <LoneStar34> ELVox: i must have been doing something wrong some days ago
Nov 24 09:33:07 <LoneStar34> what is a good text size for palm devices? 15px?
Nov 24 09:46:15 <Laxidasical> I forget the actual pixel size, but I remember reading that Palm doesn't like anything smaller than what <div class="palm-body-text"> creates
Nov 24 09:49:03 <LoneStar34> oh ok thanks...
Nov 24 09:53:46 <LoneStar34> if I want to display two text boxes - one after the other - how do I differenciate between the both of them?
Nov 24 10:06:15 <ElVox> what do you mean by differenciate?
Nov 24 10:07:21 <Laxidasical> That will be done when you setup the text box widgets (in scene assistant) and for the widget's div id (in the view file)
Nov 24 10:09:24 <LoneStar34> Laxidasical: just found an example in the SDK
Nov 24 10:13:23 <LoneStar34> just was not sure if I could rename "	this.textBoxAtt" to anything, but i guess you can
Nov 24 10:36:42 * ElVox just spent 15 minutes debugging a missing semi colon..
Nov 24 10:36:52 * ElVox is done for the night!
Nov 24 12:13:02 <diov> can ImageView pull in and display photofeeds?
Nov 24 13:20:53 <Hernlebuh_> hi all
Nov 24 13:25:48 <bmyers_here> morn'n
Nov 24 13:30:15 <atlanta> good morning
Nov 24 13:33:45 <Hernlebuh_> does anyone know how to use "goto" in java? I know it's better to use while ..... but wwant to use goto if possible..??
Nov 24 13:40:02 <atlanta> what you trying to accomplish
Nov 24 13:41:06 <atlanta> i know you specify it with
Nov 24 13:41:09 <atlanta> name:
Nov 24 13:41:13 <atlanta> the you do
Nov 24 13:41:16 <atlanta> goto name;
Nov 24 13:42:51 <atlanta> i seen it in some coding but the java docs sasys this
Nov 24 13:42:52 <atlanta> Unlike C and C++, the Java programming language has no goto statement; identifier statement labels are used with break (§14.15) or continue (§14.16) statements appearing anywhere within the labeled statement.
Nov 24 13:43:00 <atlanta> http://java.sun.com/docs/books/jls/third_edition/html/statements.html
Nov 24 13:43:19 <Hernlebuh_> ok
Nov 24 13:43:31 <Hernlebuh_> yesnow i've done it with while
Nov 24 13:44:28 <Hernlebuh_> for (int x = 0, int y = 0 ; blabla; blabla) doesn't work
Nov 24 13:44:53 <Hernlebuh_> not possible to creater more than one variable in for ?
Nov 24 13:45:20 <atlanta> no but u can base other variables off that one variable
Nov 24 13:45:32 <Hernlebuh_> ?
Nov 24 13:45:54 <atlanta> for (int i = 0; i < ar.length; i++)
Nov 24 13:45:57 <atlanta> like that
Nov 24 13:46:14 <atlanta> your trying to increment 2 variables?
Nov 24 13:46:20 <Hernlebuh_> yeah ok .. but that's not that wat I mean
Nov 24 13:46:23 <Hernlebuh_> yes
Nov 24 13:46:36 <Hernlebuh_> "	your trying to increment 2 variables?" y
Nov 24 13:50:45 <Hernlebuh_> no, all ok
Nov 24 13:53:00 <atlanta> huh
Nov 24 13:53:00 <atlanta> ok
Nov 24 13:53:01 <atlanta> brb
Nov 24 14:07:52 <Hernlebuh_> i've to go,
Nov 24 14:07:57 <Hernlebuh_> so bye all ;-)
Nov 24 14:15:05 <benluo> hi
Nov 24 14:20:48 <atlanta> hey
Nov 24 14:24:57 <bmyers_here> hey atlanta in fla. morn'n 2 ya
Nov 24 14:25:19 <bmyers_here> try the recorder yet?
Nov 24 14:25:29 <atlanta> bmyers_here: morning
Nov 24 14:25:31 <atlanta> going to
Nov 24 14:25:48 <atlanta> in a few
Nov 24 14:26:40 <bmyers_here> it works.. off to a good start..
Nov 24 14:26:54 <atlanta> cool cool
Nov 24 14:27:10 <atlanta> i wanna learn how to make it do playback as recording
Nov 24 14:27:16 <atlanta> thats the next milestone
Nov 24 14:28:43 <bmyers_here> oh u mean view as u r recording.. yeah. that would be handy
Nov 24 14:29:24 <atlanta> yup yup
Nov 24 14:31:59 <atlanta> brb morning meeting
Nov 24 15:01:17 <ConfusedVorlon> Hi folks - anyone from palm here who can comment on the review times for app updates? I have horrible bugs in one of my live apps and it has been more than a month that I have been trying to get an update approved...
Nov 24 15:34:04 <cba123> Anyone know of a program on Linux that'll sync to the pre?  I can mount it over wifi, but I'd prefer a manager as opposed to drag and drop
Nov 24 15:34:26 <Rick_work> cba123define sync
Nov 24 15:34:44 <Rick_work> you mean media sync?
Nov 24 15:36:07 <cba123> Rick_work, Yes, media sync, but over wifi, if possible, I can mount it over wifi to a folder, and amarok 1.4 could sync to the folder, but not every time.  I have a touchstone and would prefer not to have to move the plug each time I want to sync.
Nov 24 15:44:40 <CTLAdvance-work> morning
Nov 24 15:47:03 <CTLAdvance-work> whats the webOS  Internals channel?
Nov 24 15:47:07 <CTLAdvance-work> webos-internals
Nov 24 15:50:00 <Roy-Pre101> yes
Nov 24 15:51:16 <CTLAdvance-work> thx
Nov 24 15:54:41 <CTLAdvance-work> Anyone know what directory palms default applicationsare stored like the camera?
Nov 24 15:57:09 <Roy-Pre101>  /usr/palm/applications, I believe.
Nov 24 15:59:09 <CTLAdvance-work> Thanks roy!
Nov 24 16:10:55 <sugardave> morning chuqui
Nov 24 16:11:05 <chuqui> hey, good morning!
Nov 24 16:12:13 <CTLAdvance-work> morning chuqui
Nov 24 16:12:22 * sugardave waits for the magic show.
Nov 24 16:12:47 <chuqui> how is everyone today?
Nov 24 16:13:02 <gkatsev> great.
Nov 24 16:13:08 <gkatsev> how are you, chuqui ?
Nov 24 16:13:12 <CTLAdvance-work> you otter know
Nov 24 16:13:15 <sugardave> pretty good...getting ready for a road trip to Orlando at the end of the week
Nov 24 16:13:39 <chuqui> have a great (and safe) trip!
Nov 24 16:14:24 <chuqui> w stay home for thanksgiving, use it as a time to relax. probably heading to Merced on Friday to look for sandhill cranes and geese, but low key
Nov 24 16:14:37 <chuqui> get as far away from Black Friday as we can...
Nov 24 16:14:43 <gkatsev> yeah, you can head to hong kong for cheap
Nov 24 16:14:45 <sugardave> well, this is a quid pro quo for the 40" Bravia I bought in January
Nov 24 16:15:12 <gkatsev> my boss told me friends of his got a fully inclusive resort and flights to hong kong for like 3 days for $500 per person
Nov 24 16:15:22 <sugardave> nice
Nov 24 16:15:35 <gkatsev> which is just rediculously cheap
Nov 24 16:15:36 <sugardave> chuqui: I don't do Black Friday....ever
Nov 24 16:15:50 <chuqui> that's a great price for that trip!
Nov 24 16:16:09 <gkatsev> two years ago i got a 47" olevia from costco for 999, it was actually not that crowded
Nov 24 16:16:15 <gkatsev> not like wallmart
Nov 24 16:17:15 <sugardave> I also try to avoid Wal-Mart as if every one of them is the epicenter of a swine flu outbreak
Nov 24 16:17:22 <sugardave> in other words, I hate shopping for crap
Nov 24 16:17:35 <gkatsev> ditto. amazon, newegg etc ftw
Nov 24 16:17:54 <gkatsev> speaking of online shopping, i need to get myself a shinai
Nov 24 16:19:28 <ConfusedVorlon> hi folks - anyone online know about streaming media to pre?
Nov 24 16:19:38 <sugardave> ConfusedVorlon: never tried it
Nov 24 16:41:25 <Roy-Pre101> chuqui: Howdy.
Nov 24 16:46:16 <Rick_work> ConfusedVorlon Doc Lee (Reality9114) is the local expert, and is on most evenings.
Nov 24 16:46:25 <Rick_work> Stop in an see him.
Nov 24 16:46:35 <chuqui> hey
Nov 24 16:47:15 <Rick_work> he chuqi
Nov 24 16:49:15 <chuqui> howdy, rick
Nov 24 16:50:12 <pklingem> is there a mechanism to access the contents of a text message when it is received?
Nov 24 16:51:09 <pklingem> I've searched the API and I don't see anything and I'm wondering if this is purposely not included in the API because it is a security concern.
Nov 24 16:54:42 <atlanta> pklingem: negative
Nov 24 16:54:54 <atlanta> and yes about the security concern
Nov 24 16:56:17 <pklingem> would read only be a security concern also?
Nov 24 16:56:28 <pklingem> atlanta: and thanks for responding
Nov 24 16:56:37 <atlanta> no problem
Nov 24 16:56:41 <atlanta> pklingem: yea it would
Nov 24 16:56:41 <Rick_work> currently the're just not allowing it pklingem
Nov 24 16:56:48 <Rick_work> and yes, it would
Nov 24 16:57:15 <atlanta> i believe they are looking into a-way so your app knows when the phone recieves one
Nov 24 16:57:19 <atlanta> wsup Rick_work
Nov 24 16:57:32 <Rick_work> getting ready to leave for chicago
Nov 24 16:58:28 <pklingem> atlanta, Rick_work: I'm not really familiar with the mojo sdk, but could a developer conceivably access the DOM to get the contents of a text message?
Nov 24 17:01:19 <pklingem> I need to RTFM, that's a question I can answer myself.  I do appreciate your responses though, atlanta and Rick_work
Nov 24 17:43:07 <zsoc_wirc> bah
Nov 24 17:43:59 <atlanta> zsoc_wirc: my man
Nov 24 17:44:00 <atlanta> wsup
Nov 24 17:44:25 <zsoc_wirc> atlanta: mitigating, you?
Nov 24 17:44:35 <atlanta> just got back from lunch
Nov 24 17:44:48 <atlanta> trying to see a way we can access the stream output what is recording
Nov 24 17:44:54 <zsoc_wirc> reading precentral forum comments is almost as bad as youtube sometimes
Nov 24 17:44:57 <atlanta> to see**
Nov 24 17:45:03 <atlanta> zsoc_wirc: agreed
Nov 24 17:45:05 <zsoc_wirc> atlanta: there's a few ways
Nov 24 17:45:18 <atlanta> how were you thinking about going about it
Nov 24 17:45:19 <atlanta> ?
Nov 24 17:45:32 <zsoc_wirc> atlanta: you'l need to start by cross compiling the gst plugin that includes te 'tee' element
Nov 24 17:45:56 <zsoc_wirc> I'm assuming its compatible wit gst 0.10.21, otherwise you'll have to backport it
Nov 24 17:46:22 <atlanta> ok looking into the "tee" element now
Nov 24 17:46:24 <zsoc_wirc> then we need to find a way to capture the sink of palmvideosink, which will be fun because it's closed source
Nov 24 17:46:36 <atlanta> oh damn
Nov 24 17:46:37 <atlanta> lol
Nov 24 17:48:30 <lyht> And then you have to attach the flux capacitor, and run it up to 1.21 gigawatts.
Nov 24 17:49:06 <CTLAdvance-work> I may have an easier way
Nov 24 17:49:13 <CTLAdvance-work> had it working but screwwed it up
Nov 24 17:49:25 <CTLAdvance-work> ugh screwed that screwed up up
Nov 24 17:53:29 <zsoc_wirc> CTLAdvance-work: no you definitely didn't. unless there's a fundimental principle of this process I don't understand
Nov 24 17:56:55 <zsoc_wirc> you could probably mimic the camera app to get the video sinked to directfb, but you can't record a video while the pipeline is busy
Nov 24 17:57:03 <CTLAdvance-work> i didnt use your gstream as faras i know
Nov 24 17:57:05 <sugardave> what is the "light bar" in regards to screen dimming API?
Nov 24 17:57:24 <zsoc_wirc> it's possible to recode camd to accept a tee, but it would be a binary patch, and involve serious reverse engeneering
Nov 24 17:57:52 <zsoc_wirc> CTLAdvance-work: how do you think the preview works to begin with? it uses gstreamer
Nov 24 17:57:59 <CTLAdvance-work> on sec on a call
Nov 24 18:03:44 <atlanta> okkk
Nov 24 18:03:47 <atlanta> i want to hear this
Nov 24 18:05:25 <CTLAdvance-work> So the camera app itself uses gstream?
Nov 24 18:05:57 <zsoc_wirc> CTLAdvance-work: uh.. well it has to work somehow right?
Nov 24 18:06:24 <CTLAdvance-work> Right but I havent reviewed all of the supporting js files yet
Nov 24 18:06:36 <CTLAdvance-work> Basically I stripped everything from the camera to make a view
Nov 24 18:06:42 <zsoc_wirc> mojo passes the service requests to the java MediaServer service, which passes requests to he native C gstreamer application 'camd'
Nov 24 18:06:47 <CTLAdvance-work> so it just loads up the preview
Nov 24 18:06:59 <zsoc_wirc> its much deeper than a couple of mojo commands
Nov 24 18:07:22 <zsoc_wirc> mimicing preview is not the problem.
Nov 24 18:07:29 <CTLAdvance-work> right
Nov 24 18:07:41 <CTLAdvance-work> its that the streams when they are busy you cant use them again
Nov 24 18:07:44 <zsoc_wirc> and camd does all sorts of magic I can't see or understand
Nov 24 18:08:07 <zsoc_wirc> but the debugging prooves to me it's native C gstreamer backend, which is a different ball game
Nov 24 18:08:07 <CTLAdvance-work> ok yeah I had the screen working when you record it goes dead
Nov 24 18:08:21 <zsoc_wirc> we would have to 'recreate' an opensource camd
Nov 24 18:08:38 <CTLAdvance-work> hmm - and that would be alot of work
Nov 24 18:09:13 <zsoc_wirc> it would be impossible without a gst expert, and even then difficult with what little info we have about the plugins
Nov 24 18:09:37 <CTLAdvance-work> yeah - I am sure you know much more about it than i do
Nov 24 18:09:47 <CTLAdvance-work> Question
Nov 24 18:10:03 <CTLAdvance-work> we are recording this as 320x480 px correct
Nov 24 18:10:12 <zsoc_wirc> unless, I can get a 'tee' element working, and that's assuming the palm binaries would even support it
Nov 24 18:10:21 <zsoc_wirc> that sounds right
Nov 24 18:10:37 <CTLAdvance-work> disregard
Nov 24 18:10:52 <zsoc_wirc> er, 480x320 actually
Nov 24 18:13:56 <jtrucks> is there a way to get error messages or logs from the WebOS mail client?
Nov 24 18:14:25 <jtrucks> it gives me a yellow triangle with ! but no other indication that something is amiss, and my server logs have been less then helpful as they appear as if the mail check is working just ifne.
Nov 24 18:14:59 <lyht> jtrucks, you have root access?
Nov 24 18:15:17 <lyht> or the sdk?
Nov 24 18:16:07 <jtrucks> its in dev mode but nothing else yet
Nov 24 18:16:32 <lyht> you have WebOD Quick Install?
Nov 24 18:16:36 <lyht> WebOS
Nov 24 18:17:05 <jtrucks> I was in the process of doing that, when I discovered my mail is acting up :(
Nov 24 18:17:20 <lyht> Ok, once you have it, go here:
Nov 24 18:17:21 <lyht> http://www.precentral.net/how-back-your-palm-profile-information
Nov 24 18:17:22 <jtrucks> another account on that same host works on the Pre, too :(
Nov 24 18:17:30 <lyht> that describes a process of getting a file,
Nov 24 18:17:37 <lyht> but the file you want is /var/log/messages
Nov 24 18:17:47 <lyht> run your email program, get the error
Nov 24 18:17:47 <jtrucks> oh, cool. thank you :)
Nov 24 18:17:51 <lyht> then grab the file,.
Nov 24 18:18:04 <jtrucks> then it's just like any other unix machine :)
Nov 24 18:18:08 <lyht> yup
Nov 24 18:24:03 <zsoc_wirc> Roy-Pre101: ping
Nov 24 18:24:38 * sugardave crosses fingers for screen dimming test.
Nov 24 18:24:43 <Roy-Pre101> zsoc_wirc: pong
Nov 24 18:26:54 <lyht> I have to connect to my phone to delete the videoCaps, dont I...
Nov 24 18:28:18 <lyht> But wow! It is just awesome that I can actually capture video and audio.
Nov 24 18:28:31 <Roy-Pre101> huh... it's been more than three days since my phone backed up!
Nov 24 18:28:39 <Roy-Pre101> Forcing backup now...
Nov 24 18:29:14 <lyht> Are the *.REC files just support files for those captures? Can I delete them as well?
Nov 24 18:30:07 <Roy-Pre101> incidentist: yo
Nov 24 18:30:10 <jtrucks> ahHA! it was timing out cuz I had a bunch of crud in my inbox, including a rather giant spam.
Nov 24 18:30:21 <incidentist> Roy-Pre101: heyo
Nov 24 18:30:27 <jtrucks> I cleaned it up via mutt and now WebOS is seeing the mail correctly.
Nov 24 18:30:52 <lyht> jtrucks, nice!
Nov 24 18:31:39 <jtrucks> I wonder if my windows machine at work would work to install the quick install...
Nov 24 18:31:53 <jtrucks> I forgot my OSX machine's power cord (and the battery is nearly dead)
Nov 24 18:32:07 <lyht> should
Nov 24 18:33:29 <jtrucks> hmmm
Nov 24 18:33:43 <jtrucks> it's charging, but I think I'm gunna cancel out of the whole driver add/update thing.
Nov 24 18:34:03 <jtrucks> oh, good. it figured it's a usb drive afterall. sorta.
Nov 24 18:37:34 <zsoc_wirc> lyht: .REC?
Nov 24 18:38:56 <lyht> maybe they are unrelated? But I have 7 files named FSCK0001-7.REC
Nov 24 18:39:18 <lyht> That seemed to go along with the MP4 files.
Nov 24 18:42:16 <natenrb9> lyht: did you check out my magic fortune ball app? its up in the catalog
Nov 24 18:42:49 <lyht> natenrb9, I have not yet downloaded it, but I looked at it. It looks good. And it is getting great reviews.
Nov 24 18:43:34 <natenrb9> yeah, its been doing pretty well
Nov 24 18:43:44 <lyht> That is awesome!
Nov 24 18:43:48 <natenrb9> 1 punk went in and gave it a bad review...
Nov 24 18:43:51 <natenrb9> lol
Nov 24 18:44:03 <lyht> I hate the haters.
Nov 24 18:44:08 <natenrb9> exactly
Nov 24 18:44:38 <natenrb9> I guess as developers we gotta live with the negative haters out there…
Nov 24 18:46:00 <lyht> It's funny to me how the homebrew crowd seems to actually be more forgiving. You get bad reviews in real life if they have an unrelated problem on their phone and they can't download your app for some reason...
Nov 24 18:47:14 <natenrb9> yeah, I actually had someone call me today because they couldn't download my app from the catalog…they were getting a "app catalog is unavailable" error, lol
Nov 24 18:47:24 <natenrb9> they found my number from my website...
Nov 24 18:48:39 <natenrb9> has everyone see this? - some developer enabled webos type action on their iphone…: http://www.wiredortired.com/wts/702-real-iphone-multitasking-check-out-the-video-very-cool
Nov 24 19:06:51 <CTLAdvance-work> is it possible to call a function from within the stage assistant that is in the scene that called a command menu sequence?
Nov 24 19:12:27 <jtrucks> you'd think the webos quick install file was hosted on a 2400baud dialup...
Nov 24 19:24:10 <Hernlebuh_> hi
Nov 24 19:26:48 <zomg> natenrb9: looks kinda clunky and slow
Nov 24 19:27:13 <zomg> but those jailbroken multitasking apps make you wonder why apple is refusing to add it to the official firmware
Nov 24 19:28:26 <CTLAdvance-work> looks like we now have 3 fart apps
Nov 24 19:33:10 <chuqui> my life is complete. I can die happy.
Nov 24 19:34:13 <Hernlebuh_> nice ;-)
Nov 24 19:38:45 <pandora--> CTLAdvance-work: my fiancee was just telling me that i need to make a fart app in the palm catalog
Nov 24 19:38:49 <pandora--> i guess that's out
Nov 24 19:38:50 <pandora--> haha
Nov 24 19:44:59 <Roy-Pre101> pandora--: You can tell her you passed on it.  That you just couldn't cut it.
Nov 24 19:45:19 <natenrb9> chuqui: which icon does the catalog use for the icon displayed when browsing apps?
Nov 24 19:45:24 <pandora--> dah dum pssshhhh!
Nov 24 19:45:53 <chuqui> um.... damn, I hate pop quizzes. I've gone blank...
Nov 24 19:46:03 <Roy-Pre101> well, partial erase did -not- fix my app catalog woes.
Nov 24 19:46:10 <chuqui> 48 square? I think.
Nov 24 19:46:13 <natenrb9> my icon is getting cut off…and I updated it even...
Nov 24 19:46:23 <natenrb9> still getting cut-off...
Nov 24 19:46:39 <chuqui> email your account manager, ask them to have it looked at
Nov 24 19:46:43 <CTLAdvance-work> pandora roy... lol
Nov 24 19:46:47 <Roy-Pre101> Did you remember to include surrounging blank space?
Nov 24 19:47:12 <Roy-Pre101> *surrounding
Nov 24 19:47:42 <natenrb9> chuqui: k, I had done that and she did a great job of getting it quickly updated…but still getting cut off
Nov 24 19:48:02 <natenrb9> roy: yeah, I added a ton of surrounding blank space
Nov 24 19:50:00 <natenrb9> it would seem that the image just didn't get updated properly…(assuming it is in fact the 48x48 that they use)
Nov 24 19:50:10 <kesne-school> Ahoy Matey!
Nov 24 19:52:18 <CTLAdvance-work> Yar
Nov 24 19:54:11 <Roy-Pre101> kesne-school: Yo ho ho.
Nov 24 19:56:05 <kesne-school> Roy-Pre101: I told you about the december app event, right?
Nov 24 19:57:00 <natenrb9> is the developer of the Stickyman app around?
Nov 24 19:57:21 <Roy-Pre101> kesne-school: Several time
Nov 24 19:57:21 <Roy-Pre101> s
Nov 24 19:58:21 <kesne-school> oh...
Nov 24 19:59:39 <kesne-school> Roy-Pre101: that sounds bad
Nov 24 20:00:08 <sugardave> kesne-school: hey, you know precentral pretty well, yes?
Nov 24 20:00:39 <kesne-school> sugardave: I'd say so, what's on your mind?
Nov 24 20:01:21 <sugardave> just updated an app....do I need to set it to moderator review to have it refreshed to the 'recently updated' list, or can I just leave it 'published'?
Nov 24 20:01:24 <PuffTheMagic> if the only widget i have on a scene is a textfield and i have changeOnKeyPress=false, if the user presses return will the widget "loose focus" so that i get the propertychange event?
Nov 24 20:01:37 <Roy-Pre101> sugardave: I believe you need to flag it.
Nov 24 20:02:06 <sugardave> thanks
Nov 24 20:02:50 <kesne-school> yeah
Nov 24 20:03:00 <kesne-school> set it to "needs moderator review"
Nov 24 20:03:33 <sugardave> awesome, thanks guys
Nov 24 20:03:37 <sugardave> it's been a while
Nov 24 20:05:09 <Roy-Pre101> going to have to redoctor my phone.  So not happy about that.
Nov 24 20:05:15 <sugardave> ouch
Nov 24 20:05:32 <sugardave> what did you do to it?
Nov 24 20:06:34 <kesne-school> Roy-Pre101: Join the club :/
Nov 24 20:06:54 <Roy-Pre101> sugardave: Ever since the pre-release I can't see all the apps in the app cataog.
Nov 24 20:06:56 <Roy-Pre101> catalog, too
Nov 24 20:07:39 <Roy-Pre101> Pondering if I should download 1.2 then let it OTA to 1.3.1 or if I should just doctor to 1.3.1
Nov 24 20:08:06 <sugardave> still?  damn
Nov 24 20:08:49 <sugardave> I'd do the 1.2 -> 1.3.1 shuffle first
Nov 24 20:15:02 <sugardave> omg, my DNS server can't find the good palm server....erg....
Nov 24 20:15:46 <Roy-Pre101> sugardave: Sold.
Nov 24 20:15:54 <Roy-Pre101> Now, to find the webOSdoctor for 1.2...
Nov 24 20:17:16 <sugardave> I just have a WebOSDoctor.jar, apparently I decided the version wasn't important enough to keep in the file name
Nov 24 20:17:24 <sugardave> it's from 9/6
Nov 24 20:17:39 <Roy-Pre101> sugardave: if you use wosqi it removes the extensions
Nov 24 20:17:44 <sugardave> ah
Nov 24 20:18:00 <sugardave> I think this would be the 1.2, then?
Nov 24 20:19:08 <Roy-Pre101> Could be?
Nov 24 20:20:24 <Adora> Roy-Pre101: if you guys can't find a copy, I'm pretty sure I still have my 1.2 doctor at home
Nov 24 20:21:02 <Guest78238> wat
Nov 24 20:21:20 <Roy-Pre101> Adora: Thanks.
Nov 24 20:21:37 <Roy-Pre101> Hopefully I can find one.  Might have one on my time machine backup
Nov 24 20:21:50 <Roy-Pre101> will ask over in webos-internals, maybe someone has a link.
Nov 24 20:22:06 <kesne-school> Adora is here?
Nov 24 20:22:11 <Adora> kesne-school: no
Nov 24 20:22:22 <Adora> go back to class
Nov 24 20:22:34 <sugardave> I can't tell what version this is
Nov 24 20:23:13 <sugardave> castle version 182271
Nov 24 20:23:58 <kesne-school> Adora: I am at class, I have no period now
Nov 24 20:24:22 <Roy-Pre101> kesne-school: That'd be weird if a guy had a period.
Nov 24 20:25:07 <kesne-school> heh
Nov 24 20:27:38 <Roy-Pre101> OK...
Nov 24 20:27:52 <Roy-Pre101> Found a webOS Doctor dated 9/26
Nov 24 20:28:20 <Adora> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions
Nov 24 20:28:38 <Adora> although for the record, I found the palm link before the webos-internals page
Nov 24 20:28:52 <Roy-Pre101> Ah so.  Strong is her google-fu
Nov 24 20:28:52 <Adora> and was trying to confirm it's 1.2.1
Nov 24 20:28:55 <Adora> heheeh
Nov 24 20:29:09 <Adora> also strong is my internal wiki-fu
Nov 24 20:29:52 <Roy-Pre101> I remembered that page was on webOS Internals so I went there first but the first page that came up was this one:
Nov 24 20:30:16 <Roy-Pre101> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/How_To_Recover
Nov 24 20:31:45 <Roy-Pre101> ooh, the one I have is 1.1
Nov 24 20:31:56 <Adora> do it!
Nov 24 20:32:00 <Adora> for old time's sake
Nov 24 20:32:15 <Roy-Pre101> Maybe it'd be better to do 1.2. ;P
Nov 24 20:32:28 <Roy-Pre101> Although, it should jump right to 1.3.1 with no issues...
Nov 24 20:32:33 <Adora> oh, you guys have profiles and stuff to worry about, though
Nov 24 20:32:57 <Roy-Pre101> I backed up the only file I care about -- my keyring saved passwords.
Nov 24 20:33:25 <Roy-Pre101> Doing eeet.
Nov 24 20:33:57 <Roy-Pre101> Quick question:  People who include the word 'sexy' in their e-mail address:  pathalogical?
Nov 24 20:38:08 <sugardave> or sexy
Nov 24 20:38:18 <Adora> hahaha
Nov 24 20:38:29 <Roy-Pre101> Adora: So, what's the story behind the name 'Adora'?
Nov 24 20:39:17 <Adora> I was back in high school and got my first dialup account
Nov 24 20:39:32 <Adora> just kinda put some sounds together until I found something that felt like me
Nov 24 20:40:03 <Roy-Pre101> It's short for adorable, isn't it?!  It's just like putting 'sexy' in your name!  Oh, the shame!
Nov 24 20:40:09 <Adora> years later, I found that She-Ra's alter ego was Princess Adora
Nov 24 20:40:19 <Adora> which was like, my favorite cartoon EVER
Nov 24 20:40:24 <Roy-Pre101> Hah.
Nov 24 20:41:25 <Roy-Pre101> I somehow missed that one.
Nov 24 20:41:27 <Adora> but I was young and only had 640k, so I guess I only remembered so much about it
Nov 24 20:41:38 <Adora> but I had all the toys
Nov 24 20:41:57 <Adora> all the figurines and horses
Nov 24 20:42:08 <Roy-Pre101> Probably because I was a teenager and, well, a guy.
Nov 24 20:42:37 <Adora> and the crystal castle!
Nov 24 20:42:51 <Adora> http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=F2h&q=she-ra+castle&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=KkUMS5zXL4aOtAOIhr2UAw&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CBIQsAQwAA
Nov 24 20:43:19 <kesne-school> Adora: Have you heard of my idea?
Nov 24 20:43:28 <swisstomcat> hello everyone
Nov 24 20:43:29 <Adora> kesne-school: not today's idea, no
Nov 24 20:43:38 <Adora> Roy-Pre101: how old are you?
Nov 24 20:44:03 <gkatsev> that show has rediculous names
Nov 24 20:44:03 <kesne-school> Adora: I mean the one about games and entertainment, that one
Nov 24 20:44:29 <kesne-school> Roy-Pre101: I'm also wondering, how old?
Nov 24 20:44:41 <Adora> kesne-school: that was a joke  =]  but no, haven't heard it
Nov 24 20:44:50 <CTLAdvance-work> Hello Adora
Nov 24 20:44:59 <Adora> heya CTLAdvance
Nov 24 20:45:11 <gkatsev> Adora: tried precorder yet? lol
Nov 24 20:45:12 <swisstomcat> are you around, metaview?
Nov 24 20:45:13 <kesne-school> Adora: srsly? Ask Chuq, or Ben, or someones
Nov 24 20:45:16 <kesne-school> I like the idea
Nov 24 20:45:29 <CTLAdvance-work> Adora - Can I send you our list of words to look over what is ok, what is not for use in apps?
Nov 24 20:46:04 <gkatsev> not this: updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; emerge --oneshot condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; emerge -C condom; make clean; sleep
Nov 24 20:46:20 <Adora> CTLAdvance-work: I'd say email it to your account manager
Nov 24 20:46:26 <Adora> but we'd both escalate to the same people
Nov 24 20:46:38 <Roy-Pre101> Adora: 41
Nov 24 20:46:45 <gkatsev> at least not in that order
Nov 24 20:48:36 <sugardave> lol
Nov 24 20:48:45 <swisstomcat> how do you submit apps to precentral?
Nov 24 20:49:24 <Adora> gkatsev: I may regret asking this
Nov 24 20:49:37 <Adora> but what on earth is cd supposed to mean in that context?
Nov 24 20:50:02 <gkatsev> Adora: lol, the only thing i can think of is music
Nov 24 20:50:08 <Adora> put on a cd, like some Barry Manilow?
Nov 24 20:50:22 <sugardave> no, no, no
Nov 24 20:50:23 <gkatsev> or barry white
Nov 24 20:50:26 <sugardave> date
Nov 24 20:50:31 <sugardave> crossdress, first
Nov 24 20:50:33 <sugardave> then, strip
Nov 24 20:50:37 <dawm> how backed up are they on app submissions? i havent heard back at all (submitted a couple weeks back)
Nov 24 20:51:00 * swisstomcat checks if he's in the right channel
Nov 24 20:51:08 <gkatsev> swisstomcat: lol, you are
Nov 24 20:51:21 <Adora> swisstomcat: we get off topic sometimes  =]
Nov 24 20:51:25 <swisstomcat> oh really
Nov 24 20:51:29 <zsoc_wirc> is this #precentral?
Nov 24 20:51:38 <swisstomcat> is this #soapbox
Nov 24 20:51:43 <swisstomcat> :)
Nov 24 20:51:46 <gkatsev> is there even a #precentral?
Nov 24 20:52:04 <Roy-Pre101> I'm so glad you don't have to sit through the tutorial and video every time the phone updates.
Nov 24 20:52:08 <gkatsev> usually #webos-watercooler convos cross over into here and #webos-internals
Nov 24 20:52:19 <swisstomcat> i thought maybe someone knew how to submit homebrew stuff
Nov 24 20:52:36 <gkatsev> Roy-Pre101: haha, yeah, that would suck
Nov 24 20:53:42 <ConfusedVorlon> hi folks - anyone know what is going on with app updates? It's been about over a month that I have been waiting (and there are big bugs)...
Nov 24 20:53:53 <Roy-Pre101> swisstomcat: sign up for an account at precentral then click on...
Nov 24 20:54:54 <Roy-Pre101> their e-mail link and send them an e-mail telling them you want to be a developer
Nov 24 20:55:23 <Roy-Pre101> ack, trying to download 1.3.1 over EVDO.
Nov 24 20:55:34 <Roy-Pre101> turning on wifi
Nov 24 20:56:17 <gkatsev> at least its not 1xRTT, which, doesnt it not even update on 1x?
Nov 24 20:56:36 <swisstomcat> roy-pre101: that's what i did so far ... but i thought that's for posting in the homebrew-forum
Nov 24 20:56:48 <Roy-Pre101> ::Shrug:  I don't remember how I did it.
Nov 24 20:57:17 <swisstomcat> guess i'll wait until i hear from them
Nov 24 20:57:28 <Roy-Pre101> What's the appropriate way to archive mails in gmail?
Nov 24 20:57:40 <gkatsev> swisstomcat: doesnt precentral have anything written on how to get your app there?
Nov 24 20:58:05 <swisstomcat> not something i could find
Nov 24 20:58:51 <swisstomcat> only instructions how to enable posts to the homebrew forum
Nov 24 20:59:25 <diov_> does anyone know if imageView can be used to pull in photos from photofeeds
Nov 24 21:01:53 <Roy-Pre101> OK.... what does this quote mean:  Never limit yourself to a world thats limitless!
Nov 24 21:01:56 <swisstomcat> diov: i think so
Nov 24 21:01:57 <Laxidasical> Anyone have 5 minutes to look over a few lines of code?  I really need a second set of eyes...
Nov 24 21:02:07 <swisstomcat> laxidascial: sure
Nov 24 21:02:48 <gkatsev> swisstomcat: http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/193957-read-first-welcome-homebrew-apps-section.html "if you're interested in getting permission to create threads / post apps, simply contact us..."
Nov 24 21:02:59 <gkatsev> Laxidasical: pastebin it
Nov 24 21:03:09 <Laxidasical> http://webos.pastebin.com/d694de5f3
Nov 24 21:03:33 <Laxidasical> I can't get the timeout service working correctly
Nov 24 21:03:39 <swisstomcat> gkatsev: ok, then i guess i should be fine
Nov 24 21:04:08 <swisstomcat> diov: this.controller.get('ImageId').mojo.centerUrlProvided('images/x.jpg');
Nov 24 21:04:19 <gkatsev> Laxidasical: you have weird alighment, but thats besides the point, lol
Nov 24 21:04:20 <swisstomcat> diov: the question is the format of that image url
Nov 24 21:04:23 <Roy-Pre101> Laxidasical: Are you using the service that requires a 5 minute wait to wake up -and- giving it at least 5 minutes into the future?
Nov 24 21:04:24 <diov_> swisstomcat: do you know how this can be done?
Nov 24 21:05:30 <Laxidasical> gkatsev: you mean my brackets?  LOL  Yeah, I like them to line up with each other.  Makes it easier to read where code begins/ends (at least for me)
Nov 24 21:05:59 <swisstomcat> diov: apparently either a filepath or url can be provided
Nov 24 21:06:10 <gkatsev> Laxidasical: i mean like in the alarmParameters, "wakeup" and "key" are left aligned instead of being right aligned and just whitespacing the colons so they match
Nov 24 21:06:52 <Laxidasical> Roy: Yes...
Nov 24 21:07:29 <diov_> swisstomcat: so to clarify, a flickr url with the .gne extension should work?
Nov 24 21:07:38 <Laxidasical> gkatsev: Yeah, that too! *grin*
Nov 24 21:08:04 <gkatsev> Laxidasical: the curly braces isnt uncommon.
Nov 24 21:08:06 <swisstomcat> diov: i guess as long as a jpg is returned it should work? what's an example url?
Nov 24 21:09:11 <diov_> swisstomcat: this is the one flickr gives out http://api.flickr.com/services/feeds/photos_public.gne but i've seen rss ones too
Nov 24 21:10:15 <Laxidasical> ROY: If you look at lines 12 & 13, you'll see that the times are 5 min 50 sec and 20 min depending on the update mode that the app is in.
Nov 24 21:10:34 <swisstomcat> diov: this gne puts out html, that wouldn't work
Nov 24 21:10:54 <swisstomcat> diov: rss is probably better ... you can parse the xml and get out the image paths
Nov 24 21:10:58 <diov_> swisstomcat: oh kk thanks
Nov 24 21:11:17 <Laxidasical> gkatsev: You see anything that would prevent the timeout from working?
Nov 24 21:11:34 <diov_> swisstomcat: I'm pretty knew to programming how would I parse the xml?
Nov 24 21:13:47 <Laxidasical> http://webos.pastebin.com/d694de5f3
Nov 24 21:13:58 <gkatsev> Laxidasical: to be honest, havent really worked with the mojo framework much yet. but the js itself looks fine
Nov 24 21:16:21 <Roy-Pre101> Laxidasical: Please update webos101.com with information about the timeout service.  I'm interested to see how it all works.
Nov 24 21:17:02 <swisstomcat> diov: javascript functions can parse XML
Nov 24 21:17:07 <Riley1> eh There
Nov 24 21:17:42 <Riley1> can anyone help out with PalmDatabase.db3 restore?
Nov 24 21:17:48 <Laxidasical> gkatsev:  Thanks.  I pretter sure it's something in the highlighted section (which is part of Mojo).  When I try to use this service my app goes bannanas!!!  It won't even minimize, I have to reinstall it via the SDK to force a close.
Nov 24 21:17:51 <diov_> swisstomcat: thanks for your help
Nov 24 21:18:22 <CTLAdvance-work> Laxidasical do you have your app assistant setup?
Nov 24 21:18:56 <Laxidasical> ROY: I will as soon as I get this working!  Trust me, you don't want my example code on there just yet!!
Nov 24 21:19:01 <Roy-Pre101> :)
Nov 24 21:19:21 <CTLAdvance-work> Lax - I had to have App-Assistant setup in order to get this to work right
Nov 24 21:19:56 <lyht> Laxidasical, you can watch /var/log/messages to see if the timer actually gets set. (I dont know if palm-log will show you that, since it is a message sent to the logs by the timer daemon)
Nov 24 21:20:04 <sugardave> hmmm...somebody that has Yule Log, will you update to the new version and let it run for a few minutes and tell me if ads are coming?
Nov 24 21:20:06 <Laxidasical> CTLAdvance: Yep, this code is in my AppAssistant: http://webos.pastebin.com/d694de5f3
Nov 24 21:20:22 <lyht> and also see it kicked off... even if your app doesn't open correctly.
Nov 24 21:20:48 <CTLAdvance-work> Better yet what does palm-log com.name.appname say
Nov 24 21:21:00 <CTLAdvance-work> Is their an error
Nov 24 21:21:12 <lyht> true, if you have an exception causuing your problem...
Nov 24 21:22:28 <Laxidasical> Checking now...
Nov 24 21:22:48 <lyht> Laxidasical, only thing I can see in the code... I dont know if you need double quotes in the time string...
Nov 24 21:22:54 <lyht> not seen it that way before.
Nov 24 21:24:52 <Roy-Pre101> sugardave: I'd like it better if the ads smoldered a little bit.
Nov 24 21:25:08 <Laxidasical> lyht: Yeah...I didn't have them in at first.  That was the only time I'm ever completely locked up the emulator.  (I wasn't 100% sure how it was going to parse the object) I tried adding them and it didn't break as bad (if that makes sense)
Nov 24 21:25:27 <lyht> nice.
Nov 24 21:25:44 <lyht> Laxidasical, here is my setTime code. expects a date object.
Nov 24 21:25:45 <lyht> http://webos.pastebin.com/dbc63e93
Nov 24 21:26:56 <sugardave> Roy-Pre101: hehe, yeah, I'm testing my new ad management system
Nov 24 21:27:19 <sugardave> phones/apps register, and get ad request instructions from the cloud based on the network campaign I assign in the db
Nov 24 21:27:29 <sugardave> eventually I will make it prettier
Nov 24 21:30:58 <Laxidasical> lyht: I don't see any major differences in the way the service is being called itself.
Nov 24 21:31:43 <Laxidasical> lyht: As SOON as I hit enter I noticed something.  I have single quotes around the "parameters" value
Nov 24 21:31:58 <lyht> ah
Nov 24 21:32:03 <lyht> yup.
Nov 24 21:32:11 <lyht> that's it.
Nov 24 21:32:49 <Laxidasical> That is how it's setup at the Palm dev site: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1584
Nov 24 21:33:09 <lyht> Wow! Look at that.
Nov 24 21:33:11 <Laxidasical> Although, I've been lead astray a couple oftimes following their examples
Nov 24 21:33:30 <lyht> I have run into typos in almost every example.
Nov 24 21:34:07 <lyht> I am almost sure you will not want the extra quotes in your time string either.
Nov 24 21:34:58 <lyht> All of their examples have quotes around the params. What-the?
Nov 24 21:35:20 <Laxidasical> I thought that was a little odd, but who am I to challenge the creators of Mojo? *snicker*
Nov 24 21:35:24 <swisstomcat> yeah, a lot of their examples let me astray :(
Nov 24 21:35:31 <swisstomcat> c/let/led
Nov 24 21:35:34 <Roy-Pre101> Well crap.  I did it again.
Nov 24 21:35:48 <Roy-Pre101> I forgot to back up my images before I doctored the phone.
Nov 24 21:36:00 <lyht> whoops.
Nov 24 21:36:08 <sugardave> oh shit
Nov 24 21:36:11 <Laxidasical> Roy: You have older backups?
Nov 24 21:36:33 <Roy-Pre101> Nope.  I was trying not to take photos because I knew I was going to redoctor it but I took some yesterday.
Nov 24 21:36:37 <Roy-Pre101> Well, Sunday.
Nov 24 21:36:42 <Roy-Pre101> stupid
Nov 24 21:36:58 <Laxidasical> That hurts!  I've been there before...
Nov 24 21:37:50 <m55> how can you get youtube links in a webview to open up in the youtube app?
Nov 24 21:41:33 <Laxidasical> I believe so, since that is the normal behavior in the browser for yourtube LINKS (not embeds)
Nov 24 21:41:55 <Laxidasical> PreCentral does it all the time
Nov 24 21:42:25 <lyht> m55, what happens when you click on the link now?
Nov 24 21:42:36 <m55> just gives me a youtube page
Nov 24 21:42:45 <m55> and tapping on the video thumbnail just reloads the pag
Nov 24 21:42:48 <m55> *page
Nov 24 21:46:19 <lyht> m55, what is the url?
Nov 24 21:48:23 <m55> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDKVtkbIQOM
Nov 24 21:49:30 <Riley1> Help, anybody? I've been accessing, backing up and replacing my PalmDatabase.db3 file via the little command line linux I kno. But I still can't get webOS to accept the file? even after webdoctoring to os v1.1.0
Nov 24 21:50:14 <lyht> Weird. I sent that link to myself in email, and it worked fine.
Nov 24 21:50:23 <Laxidasical> webOS supports db3???
Nov 24 21:50:40 <lyht> m55, came up in the youtube app
Nov 24 21:50:51 <Riley1> I guess so
Nov 24 21:50:55 <Riley1> db3
Nov 24 21:51:18 <m55> maybe there is some handler?
Nov 24 21:51:25 <Riley1> look in /var/luna/data/dbdata
Nov 24 21:52:05 <lyht> I dont think so... it just passes any <a href to the browser
Nov 24 21:52:22 <lyht> as far as I know.
Nov 24 21:52:25 <m55> this link is within my app's webview
Nov 24 21:52:33 <Laxidasical> Riley1: Just a little slow today!!!  You mean your SQLite DB, right?
Nov 24 21:52:40 <kesne-school> heya
Nov 24 21:52:50 <Riley1> yea! thanks man I do
Nov 24 21:53:26 <lyht> Maybe that is the difference? maybe it handles everything itself... not pushing to the browser, which would know what to do with it.
Nov 24 21:53:38 <Riley1> SQLite DB PalmDatabase.db3 with my text messages profile links memos etc
Nov 24 21:54:12 <Laxidasical> Riley: Yeah, it's been one of those days.  I remember reading somewhere that webOS stores info about app databases elsewhere.  Let me see if I can find that...
Nov 24 21:54:45 <Riley1> yes, as i understand application data is stored elsewhere as are most prefernces
Nov 24 21:55:46 <Riley1> however I'm most concerned with the mentioned texts, all contacts since webos divvies them up by profile and more
Nov 24 21:56:17 <Laxidasical> Riley: Yes, but I mean info on the version of each database and what apps are allowed to have access to it.  That is what prevents other apps from opening your database.  That info is stored seperately.  If you haven't updated that, your app probably won't be able to open it.
Nov 24 21:56:43 <Riley1> ahhh ok
Nov 24 21:57:36 <CTLAdvance-work> Hey is their any way to programatically increase the volume to its highest setting
Nov 24 21:57:45 <CTLAdvance-work> as if you pushed the volume up key
Nov 24 21:58:06 <Laxidasical> Riley: Found it, look under "openDatabase" -> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Mojo_Storage_Database
Nov 24 21:58:08 <lyht> CTLAdvance-work, probably, but it likely requires com.palm.app
Nov 24 21:58:16 <Roy-Pre101> Augh...
Nov 24 21:58:17 <Riley1> perhaps thats what is happening because, going from 1.1.0 to 1.3.1 I can actually get it to work with the mail application, memos, but not contacts or texts which coincidentally have had some significant updates which may explain it
Nov 24 21:58:19 <lyht> style app id.
Nov 24 21:58:30 <Riley1> ok thx will check it out
Nov 24 21:58:32 <Roy-Pre101> Redoctored the phone, upgrade to 1.3.1 and I -still- only see 289 apps in the catalog
Nov 24 21:58:33 <Riley1> !!!
Nov 24 21:59:23 <lyht> If you dont care, I bet you could find the code that is in the background watching for the button presses, and see what call it is doing.
Nov 24 21:59:35 <Laxidasical> Did that help?
Nov 24 21:59:53 <CTLAdvance-work> Thats true but I am looking for app catalog so .palm wont work :)
Nov 24 22:00:24 <lyht> Roy-Pre101, I am at 441... just to make you sad.
Nov 24 22:00:41 <Laxidasical> LOL @ lyht
Nov 24 22:01:14 <CTLAdvance-work> Roy - I wonder if they have tagged yourprofile for some reason
Nov 24 22:01:37 * CTLAdvance-work sees 441 as well as lyht
Nov 24 22:01:51 <Adora> Roy-Pre101: no apps 4 u!
Nov 24 22:01:58 <Roy-Pre101> I'm using a dummy profile.
Nov 24 22:02:04 <Adora> actually, that really sucks
Nov 24 22:02:09 <lyht> Adora, that is just mean...
Nov 24 22:02:14 <lyht> but very funny.
Nov 24 22:02:14 <Roy-Pre101> (in fact, how do you switch profiles back?)
Nov 24 22:02:28 <Adora> Roy-Pre101: go into device info and do a full erase
Nov 24 22:02:29 <CTLAdvance-work> Adora I think I scared my AM with the list of words
Nov 24 22:03:06 <Riley1> wow man I got to say SQL is and programming in general are over my head, I guess what you are implying is to make corrections to the database in order for it to retrieve data correctly which also probably involves reading the log file. Thats alot I was hoping I could copy and past my v1.1.o db3 file into a webdoctored v1.1.0 pre then upgrade and have it correct the sql schema automatically. In otherwords update like one
Nov 24 22:03:08 <Riley1>  might expect ;)
Nov 24 22:03:27 <Adora> Roy-Pre101: it's under "Reset options"
Nov 24 22:03:42 <Adora> which I think is a misnomer
Nov 24 22:04:12 <Adora> since it doesn't mean what it usually does, which is "tap here to reset the options"
Nov 24 22:04:22 <Adora> but instead means "here are the options for resetting your device"
Nov 24 22:04:42 <Laxidasical> Riley: Yeah, that is what would be done on a traditional webserver.  I think the seperated that part for security reasons though, so it makes sense.
Nov 24 22:05:08 <Laxidasical> That said, they should have a tool that lets you import SQLite databases easily
Nov 24 22:05:58 <Riley1> ok thanks for the response. Yea I agree that would be sweet....it's just soo challenging to retain your data
Nov 24 22:07:03 <Laxidasical> Another option is to port your data to a JSON object.  Then have your stage or app controller do a one time import of the data...
Nov 24 22:08:22 <Laxidasical> MAKE sure you remove that piece of code (and the JSON file) after the import.
Nov 24 22:09:57 <Riley1> ahh ok, thats a thought I have to look into what JSON is. alternatively I was thinking I could keep say the newly created PalmDatabase.db3 file after restore then copy it out and import each table of data to it individually? thats alot too but better than some alternatives if I can have success since I have tried b4
Nov 24 22:10:31 <Riley1> alrighty
Nov 24 22:12:53 <Laxidasical> JSON is very simple way of storing data (like in your appinfo.json file): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JSON
Nov 24 22:14:15 <Laxidasical> Oh, another option is to pass that json object via an ajax call from a web server.  That is how the current app I'm working on does it.
Nov 24 22:22:17 <Riley1> hmmm, ok i have a java buddy i could talk to about that method maybe. your guidance is much appreciated btw!
Nov 24 22:23:17 <Laxidasical> Riley: No problem, glad I could help!
Nov 24 22:34:30 <MetaView> hmpf, update released time to start my sound helper service
Nov 24 22:40:06 <Roy-Pre101> woo, they're all back!
Nov 24 22:40:24 <MetaView> your pics?
Nov 24 22:40:32 <MetaView> even after webosdoctor?
Nov 24 22:40:47 <Roy-Pre101> no...  the apps
Nov 24 22:40:49 <Roy-Pre101> up to 441 now
Nov 24 22:41:06 <MetaView> from the app catalog?
Nov 24 22:41:08 <MetaView> 441?
Nov 24 22:41:31 <MetaView> you're kidding, or?
Nov 24 22:41:44 <MetaView> I thought we are at 300 or something about
Nov 24 22:43:15 <sugardave> Roy-Pre101: w00t!
Nov 24 22:43:56 <Roy-Pre101> MetaView: Are you seeing about 280 or so apps?
Nov 24 22:46:19 <MetaView> Roy-Pre101: not anymore
Nov 24 22:46:24 <edektor> how can I tell if my app is available on the european app catalog?
Nov 24 22:46:32 <MetaView> I can trell you
Nov 24 22:46:35 <MetaView> which ap?
Nov 24 22:46:48 <MetaView> have you checked them all?
Nov 24 22:46:55 <MetaView> language doesn't matter
Nov 24 22:47:02 <MetaView> but you need to check all countries
Nov 24 22:47:19 <MetaView> ohoh it's late
Nov 24 22:49:11 <edektor> MetaView: you can tell me?
Nov 24 22:49:29 <MetaView> which app
Nov 24 22:49:36 <edektor> Dropee
Nov 24 22:49:45 <sugardave> edektor: are apps on the European catalog?
Nov 24 22:50:00 <edektor> I thought they were
Nov 24 22:50:12 <MetaView> they are
Nov 24 22:50:13 <edektor> I read an article the other day how they were being filtered
Nov 24 22:50:26 <edektor> and there were only 60 apps in the europe catalog
Nov 24 22:50:35 <MetaView> only if you forget to check all countries
Nov 24 22:50:44 <MetaView> yes, but mine are there
Nov 24 22:51:06 <sugardave> oh wait, are they all free apps or are there some for-pay apps there?
Nov 24 22:51:15 <MetaView> dropee isn't here
Nov 24 22:51:22 <MetaView> is it free?
Nov 24 22:51:29 <MetaView> europe only has free apps
Nov 24 22:51:34 <sugardave> ah, okay
Nov 24 22:51:35 <JayCanuck> hi all
Nov 24 22:51:36 <MetaView> only free ones
Nov 24 22:51:38 <edektor> oh
Nov 24 22:51:42 <sugardave> hi JayCanuck
Nov 24 22:51:44 <MetaView> what does dropee?
Nov 24 22:51:44 <edektor> then yeah it wouldnt be there
Nov 24 22:52:12 <edektor> what does dropee do?
Nov 24 22:52:17 <MetaView> yes
Nov 24 22:52:28 <MetaView> sounds like cornflakes... :p
Nov 24 22:52:46 <edektor> Its a client to the media bookmarking site dropular.net
Nov 24 22:53:10 <edektor> its got a bunch of cool images and stuff that you can set as your wallpaper
Nov 24 22:53:58 <edektor> dropee.airkrft.com
Nov 24 22:54:54 <MetaView> ah, ok
Nov 24 22:56:12 <MetaView> good night
Nov 24 22:58:03 <ConfusedVorlon> dawm: I've been waiting about a month for an app update - so pretty backed up.
Nov 24 22:58:33 <ConfusedVorlon> oops: jumped into an old conversation - sorry
Nov 24 23:07:46 <rlo> hi
Nov 24 23:08:37 <grndslm> hola... como esta?
Nov 24 23:09:10 <rlo> :) looking for some help with the webview widget
Nov 24 23:09:15 <rlo> any takers? :D
Nov 24 23:09:44 <JayCanuck> anyone seen Chuq here lately?
Nov 24 23:16:39 <sugardave> JayCanuck: not for a few hours
Nov 24 23:16:46 <JayCanuck> k, ty
Nov 24 23:16:47 <LoneStar34> howdy!
Nov 24 23:19:06 <LoneStar34> trying to color a stage/scene with "body{ background-color:#333; } but to no avail, is there a special tag for this?
Nov 24 23:21:28 <natenrb9> not sure if you can just set a background color, I have just set background images
Nov 24 23:21:53 <natenrb9> and just create a div that wraps the whole scene
Nov 24 23:22:53 <natenrb9> #mojo-scene-(scene name)-scene-scroller {
Nov 24 23:22:53 <natenrb9>    background: url(../imagesbackground.png) 0px 60px no-repeat;
Nov 24 23:22:53 <natenrb9> }
Nov 24 23:23:06 <natenrb9> that works
Nov 24 23:23:17 <natenrb9> you could try using it with background color
Nov 24 23:23:40 <LoneStar34> natenrb9: ok will try it our
Nov 24 23:24:52 <LoneStar34> natenrb9: "scene-name" or "scene-name.html" ?
Nov 24 23:29:44 <rlo> hi! trying to load an HTML string into a webview, using data:text/html uri
Nov 24 23:29:50 <rlo> any ideas?
Nov 24 23:30:54 <natenrb9> lonestar: no .html
Nov 24 23:33:57 <Roy-Pre101> rlo: Check out webosdev forum.
Nov 24 23:34:07 <Roy-Pre101> Then please update webos101.com with the info you find. :)
Nov 24 23:34:16 <Roy-Pre101> Don't think there's a lot there on webview yet.
Nov 24 23:34:33 <sugardave> just the cool part
Nov 24 23:35:30 <rlo> I've been posting this question in the widgets
Nov 24 23:35:37 <rlo> no one seems to answer :)
Nov 24 23:39:04 <rlo> theres a thread in which the OP sounds like he got it to work
Nov 24 23:39:05 <rlo> http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=2395
Nov 24 23:39:17 <rlo> but with his exact syntax, I'm getting mime errors
Nov 24 23:39:26 <natenrb9> widgtes? ;)
Nov 24 23:39:26 <natenrb9> widgets
Nov 24 23:39:28 <rlo> webview automatically tacks on "http://" to the beginning of the url
Nov 24 23:39:34 <natenrb9> that probably won't get you too many answers...
Nov 24 23:39:50 <rlo> haha...where should i be posting?
Nov 24 23:39:59 <Roy-Pre101> rlo: Hmm..
Nov 24 23:40:07 <natenrb9> forums would be a better choice :)
Nov 24 23:40:17 <Roy-Pre101> natenrb9: ...
Nov 24 23:40:27 <natenrb9> had to do it...
Nov 24 23:40:40 <rlo> natenrb9: thanks.  :)
Nov 24 23:40:42 <rlo> haha
Nov 24 23:40:46 <natenrb9> lol
Nov 24 23:41:24 <rlo> Roy-Pre101: even more frustrating, I remember playing around and getting it working before
Nov 24 23:41:30 <rlo> but it was a while ago
Nov 24 23:41:39 <Vince42> after removing some patches my launcher is empty now - is there an easy way to recover this?
Nov 24 23:41:40 <rlo> now that I need it....I cant remember it
Nov 24 23:41:41 <rlo> haha
Nov 24 23:42:53 <Vince42> is WebOSDoctor the only option that remains?
Nov 24 23:43:52 <Vince42> and if: where can i download the doctor?
Nov 24 23:44:28 <zsoc> Vince42, you could try the webos repair utility?
Nov 24 23:44:36 <Vince42> where?
Nov 24 23:44:53 <Laxidasical> webOS Doctor: http://www.palm.com/us/support/downloads/pre/recoverytool/webosdoctor_sprint.html
Nov 24 23:45:02 <zsoc> Vince42, i don't know much about it. It checks for files that may have been changed and asks you if you'd like to revert them. Look for something with 'launcher' in the name. Just google for it
Nov 24 23:45:11 <zsoc> i'm assuming it's 1.3.1 compatible
Nov 24 23:45:22 <Vince42> ah, i'll give it a try :)
Nov 24 23:45:24 <Vince42> is there also some international version?
Nov 24 23:45:51 <zsoc> Vince42, er, i believe it works with your choice of doctor image, so just make sure you pick the right doctor image for your phone
Nov 24 23:46:19 <Vince42> kk, will do - thx a lot!
Nov 25 00:01:33 <LoneStar34> natenrb9: tried the following but see no difference: "#mojo-scene-(first)-scene-scroller { background: url(../images/grd1.png) 0px 60px repeat-y;
Nov 25 00:01:33 <LoneStar34> background-color:#666; }"
Nov 25 00:01:33 <LoneStar34> }
Nov 25 00:02:59 <Roy-Pre101> #mojo-scene-support-1-scene-scroller
Nov 25 00:03:05 <Roy-Pre101> No parethesis
Nov 25 00:03:17 <Roy-Pre101> You may need a -1- in there, too
Nov 25 00:03:18 <natenrb9> take out the parentheses of (first)
Nov 25 00:03:23 <natenrb9> just have first
Nov 25 00:03:38 <natenrb9> the parentheses meant "insert here". lol
Nov 25 00:03:54 <natenrb9> no 1 is needed
Nov 25 00:05:13 <natenrb9> 1 is not needed is what I meant
Nov 25 00:05:16 <LoneStar34> natenr9: thanks got it
Nov 25 00:05:25 <natenrb9> cool
Nov 25 00:05:35 <natenrb9> did it work to change the bkg color?
Nov 25 00:06:23 <rlo> Roy-Pre101: any ideas on the webview data: uri scheme?
Nov 25 00:06:45 <Roy-Pre101> rlo: Sorry, no, I'm into my own problems at the moment
Nov 25 00:06:59 <rlo> no problem, thanks
Nov 25 00:07:12 <rlo> anyone else know how to load an HTML string into a webview?
Nov 25 00:31:07 <LoneStar34> natenrb9: background-color does work with "mojo-scene-first-scene-scroller"
Nov 25 00:31:40 <natenrb9> cool
Nov 25 00:31:49 <LoneStar34> thanks
Nov 25 00:36:52 <LoneStar34> anybody know how much smaller the device is than the emulator? i read something to shrink screenshot to 60% is that right?
Nov 25 00:38:07 <droO> shrink it to 480x320 :D
Nov 25 00:39:03 <Roy-Pre101> droO: hah
Nov 25 00:39:31 <Roy-Pre101> LoneStar34: I'm suspecting your answer depends upon your DPI.
Nov 25 00:39:43 <Roy-Pre101> or whatever the equivalent is for monitors.
Nov 25 00:39:59 <natenrb9> emulator should be the same size as the device...?
Nov 25 00:40:29 <droO> its not
Nov 25 00:40:40 <Vince42> zsoc: ran webosdoctor - at least i have my launcher back ... now i will have to reinstall all the preware stuff again :)
Nov 25 00:41:17 <Roy-Pre101> If you have the right size monitor it is!
Nov 25 00:41:30 <droO> i have a 3.1 inch monitor
Nov 25 00:41:34 <droO> so it comes out about right
Nov 25 00:41:42 <Roy-Pre101> Is it only 320x480?
Nov 25 00:42:01 <droO> i wish!
Nov 25 00:42:02 <droO> :[
Nov 25 00:44:17 <LoneStar34> so in other words, an image should not be wider than 320px in Photoshop?
Nov 25 00:45:44 <natenrb9> I do all my images in photoshop with px and it works out great, shouldn't matter emulator or device...
Nov 25 00:45:56 <Roy-Pre101> You can make it larger, if you'll need to scroll left/right.
Nov 25 00:46:06 <natenrb9> full screen image is 320px x 480px
Nov 25 00:46:09 <Roy-Pre101> But, really, it only displays 320 px.
Nov 25 01:14:08 <lyht> LoneStar34, if you are doing screen-shots of the emulator on your PC so you will have screen-shots for app submittion, you dont need to change anything.
Nov 25 01:14:54 <lyht> The emulator is exactly 320x480 or 320x400.
Nov 25 01:16:06 <lyht> the monitor doesn't matter, the DPI doesn't matter. The emulator is set at those resolutions, so it can't help but be that size.
Nov 25 01:16:18 <GestaltCore> hi does anybody know how to copy files off of novaterm on to the local machine?
Nov 25 01:16:36 <GestaltCore> i thought it would be scp but it said that scp isnt found
Nov 25 01:16:45 <LoneStar34> lyht:  ok, my app is 95% ready for submission.
Nov 25 01:16:50 <lyht> GestaltCore, if you are running windows you can use winscp
Nov 25 01:17:05 <GestaltCore> oh ok thx
Nov 25 01:17:15 <GestaltCore> and I run scp from the local machine not the pre, correct?
Nov 25 01:17:40 <lyht> GestaltCore, correct. using the same values as SSH. localhost and 5522, if I remember right.
Nov 25 01:17:47 <lyht> root and no password.
Nov 25 01:17:58 <lyht> LoneStar34, awesome. Look forward to seeing it.
Nov 25 01:18:33 <GestaltCore> i don't have optware installed or an ssh daemon but it will still work just via novaterm and usb?
Nov 25 01:18:58 <lyht> um... sorry, no.
Nov 25 01:19:04 <lyht> I thought you were talking about the emulator.
Nov 25 01:19:36 <GestaltCore> yeah i meant an actual pre
Nov 25 01:19:48 <LoneStar34> lyht: once submitted and awaiting review, can tweaking be done to the app?
Nov 25 01:20:11 <lyht> GestaltCore, The best option for your phone is WebOs Quick INstall
Nov 25 01:20:19 <lyht> it has an option to copy files from the phone
Nov 25 01:20:21 <natenrb9> lonestar: it can…but then it delays the reviewing
Nov 25 01:20:33 <natenrb9> best to finish everything before submitting
Nov 25 01:21:12 <lyht> LoneStar34, once it is published, you can make updates. But while it is being reviewed you can not.
Nov 25 01:21:20 <GestaltCore> cool thanks
Nov 25 01:21:24 <lyht> unless you adk them to reject it so you can make changes.
Nov 25 01:21:32 <natenrb9> lyht: exactly
Nov 25 01:21:33 <GestaltCore> what is the best homebrew installer?
Nov 25 01:21:59 <lyht> GestaltCore, personal preference. I like PreWare.
Nov 25 01:22:01 <LoneStar34> lyht: ok I will make sure all is working fine, will submit within 24 hours.
Nov 25 01:22:56 <lyht> LoneStar34, I like to use the homebrew community to help make sure I didn't miss anything... but then you may want to make the version you submit there limited in some way.
Nov 25 01:23:12 <lyht> you can also offer it to people here, and email any takers with the ipk file.
Nov 25 01:23:50 <natenrb9> gestaltcore: here's a super sweet comparison guide for you!: http://www.precentral.net/homebrew-installer-showdown-filecoaster-vs-preload-vs-preupdate-vs-preware-vs-webos-quick-install
Nov 25 01:24:01 <natenrb9> you can't ask for anything better than that
Nov 25 01:24:10 <GestaltCore> naternrb9: thanks
Nov 25 01:24:23 <rwhitby> yeah, that comparison is one of the most non-partisan ones I've seen
Nov 25 01:24:36 <natenrb9> and complete
Nov 25 01:24:39 <LoneStar34> lyht:  ok I will offer the ipk file for testing perhaps later tonight.
Nov 25 01:24:42 <natenrb9> shows a ton of info
Nov 25 01:24:44 <rwhitby> I personally use Preware and WebOS Quick Install
Nov 25 01:25:03 <natenrb9> rwhitby: don't you program for Preware? :)
Nov 25 01:25:20 <natenrb9> but don't get me wrong I love Preware, for sure my favorite!
Nov 25 01:25:55 <rwhitby> natenrb9: I focus on the open standard homebrew ecosystem at preware.org/feeds and Preware and WebOS Quick Install both use that.
Nov 25 01:25:58 <GestaltCore> Is classic free?
Nov 25 01:26:08 <natenrb9> rwhitby: gotcha
Nov 25 01:26:17 <rwhitby> it's the interoperability and standards which is important, not the personal choice of installer.  but Preware is still the best ;-)
Nov 25 01:26:29 <GestaltCore> oh what are feeds?
Nov 25 01:26:31 <natenrb9> agreed!
Nov 25 01:26:57 <GestaltCore> like rss feeds?
Nov 25 01:27:12 <lyht> GestaltCore, yah, but for lists of homebrew app, patches, etc.
Nov 25 01:27:25 <GestaltCore> nice
Nov 25 01:28:15 <GestaltCore> are there any theming apps for pre like there's a Winterboard on iPhone?
Nov 25 01:28:29 <rwhitby> GestaltCore: Preware does app, themes and patches.
Nov 25 01:28:49 <natenrb9> get Preware, it will blow your mind, there are like 700 themes!
Nov 25 01:28:53 <GestaltCore> nice
Nov 25 01:30:30 <Mousey> mmm, Preware
Nov 25 01:30:56 <Mousey> 758 themes to date
Nov 25 01:31:11 <Mousey> >280 more apps
Nov 25 01:31:19 <Mousey> and 135 patches of win
Nov 25 01:31:21 <Mousey> %_%
Nov 25 01:31:24 <Mousey> ^_^, that is
Nov 25 01:31:35 <Mousey> </fanboi>
Nov 25 01:31:36 <natenrb9> so awesome!
Nov 25 01:32:28 <Mousey> also overclocking
Nov 25 01:32:31 <Mousey> handle with care
Nov 25 01:35:13 <GestaltCore> nice it can overclock?
Nov 25 01:35:34 <lyht> yes, but be careful
Nov 25 01:36:27 <lyht> http://www.precentral.net/patches-enable-palm-pre-cpu-scaling-power-savings
Nov 25 01:40:42 <LoneStar34> noticed that if you try to add a background-color to ".textfield-group{}" the color is square and the textfield is rounded. anyway to fix this?
Nov 25 01:41:16 <natenrb9> lonestar: make an image...
Nov 25 01:42:59 <sugardave> you might be able to use -webkit-border-radius
Nov 25 01:43:00 <GestaltCore> lyht: how would you know if your cpu is a susceptible on to damage?
Nov 25 01:49:14 <LoneStar34> my browser crashed... need to upgrade my opera browser
Nov 25 02:05:38 <zsoc> CTL did the fart app? Heh.
Nov 25 02:20:16 <holob> erm... pre stuck at palm logo without animation when booting...
Nov 25 02:20:34 <holob> webos doctor does not see it plugged in
Nov 25 02:20:41 <holob> anything I can do to force a hard reset?
Nov 25 02:27:40 <dawm> hrm.. time to play around with depot.. ive got way too much stuff stored in cookies
Nov 25 02:28:34 <holob> ok I booted it holding volume up and power and it is showing a USB logo on the phone
Nov 25 02:28:41 <holob> webos doctor is still not detecting it tho
Nov 25 02:28:42 <holob> what gives?
Nov 25 02:52:15 <sugardave> dawm: screw Depot, go all-out sqlite
Nov 25 02:53:05 <natenrb9> depot's not bad, pretty easy once you get the hang of it…but the again I haven't tried sqlite...
Nov 25 02:54:05 <reality9110> Save time, use depot
Nov 25 02:55:11 <kmax16> what are people's opinions about canvas on the pre? does it give you better performance with animation?
Nov 25 02:55:26 <kmax16> I am think about rewritting the breakout game I made in canvas
Nov 25 02:55:39 <kmax16> using canvas**
Nov 25 02:55:48 <kesne> kmax16 if you do, we'll be here to help
Nov 25 02:56:11 <kmax16> thanks jordan
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