**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Nov 25 02:59:57 2009 Nov 25 03:00:38 kmax16: You should talk with the guy who wrote Zombie Invasion Nov 25 03:02:54 Roy-Pre101: who is that, is he on irc? Nov 25 03:03:12 I don't think he's on IRC. His name is... Nov 25 03:03:42 Paul Seltmann. @pmseltmann on twitter **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Nov 25 03:35:07 2009 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Nov 25 03:35:38 2009 Nov 25 03:35:57 windows 7, vista, XP, 2000, ME, BOB, 3? Nov 25 03:36:23 windows Vista "the best OS ever" Nov 25 03:36:30 jk Nov 25 03:36:45 7 > vista Nov 25 03:36:49 7 is pretty good Nov 25 03:36:50 anyway Nov 25 03:37:24 start menu>search bar at bottom>type run>hit enter>type %TEMP%>press ok Nov 25 03:37:28 There is your temp dir Nov 25 03:39:08 kesne: is there a particular folder I am looking for? Nov 25 03:39:20 It'll compile an IPK directly there Nov 25 03:39:22 no folder Nov 25 03:39:28 so arrange by date on top Nov 25 03:40:53 hi all! Nov 25 03:41:01 JenP Nov 25 03:41:13 yellow Nov 25 03:41:44 LoneStar34: open command prompt (do those exist in 7?) and do: dir \*.ipk /s/p Nov 25 03:41:47 hey guys how's it going? Nov 25 03:41:49 hey JenP - did you survive the blackout? Nov 25 03:41:53 hi JenP Nov 25 03:41:56 Kesn: ok got it, deleted all the crap, now gonna recompile for the newest build Nov 25 03:41:59 OMG it was hysterical! Nov 25 03:42:04 hey sugar dave Nov 25 03:42:26 JenP: did you get Precorder installed eventually? Nov 25 03:42:31 all the lights were on when we blacked out...so through out the night it would burst back on then back off... Nov 25 03:42:33 yes i di d Nov 25 03:42:58 was i suppose to see an image as it records? Nov 25 03:43:12 JenP: no Nov 25 03:43:31 ok got it, does anyone want to test the IPK? Nov 25 03:43:38 where does the recording get saved to? Nov 25 03:43:42 LoneStar34: What is it? Nov 25 03:44:17 it is a url shortener Nov 25 03:44:24 very light Nov 25 03:44:24 i get the record now...but Launch is never enabled Nov 25 03:44:49 JenP: Roy-Pre101 is fixing that now Nov 25 03:44:59 oh cool! Nov 25 03:45:56 so...i didn't sleep last night...and i had a BIG meeting today with all they higher ups...at one point i realized everyone was staring at me... Nov 25 03:46:04 http://admin.home.lonestarbeer.operaunite.com/file_sharing/content/ Nov 25 03:46:07 and my resonse.... Nov 25 03:46:20 "oh wait were you talking to me? I'm sorry I wasn't paying attention" Nov 25 03:47:06 the IPK is uploaded Nov 25 03:47:17 JenP: Smooth. Nov 25 03:47:18 at the above link Nov 25 03:47:32 what can i say...i got skills....LOL Nov 25 03:50:04 pass: iNOZ Nov 25 03:50:50 LoneStar34: Pixi complient? Nov 25 03:51:24 it should work on Pixi Nov 25 03:51:33 LoneStar34: What's your app? Nov 25 03:52:02 a url shortener which turns long web addresses into keywords Nov 25 03:52:07 http://www.urloid.com Nov 25 03:52:45 it is the App for Urloid Nov 25 03:53:06 Lonestar34: please use a dark theme if you background is not white Nov 25 03:53:24 the standard list containers look like crap on anything but white Nov 25 03:53:48 also: urloid.com is a long url Nov 25 03:53:58 you'd be better off with something like villo.me Nov 25 03:54:04 (which is for sale FYI) Nov 25 03:54:05 ;) Nov 25 03:54:46 kesne: urloid will convert to "uoid.me" in the next few weeks Nov 25 03:54:57 oy Nov 25 03:55:14 kesne: just wanted to get the webos app out before Nov 25 03:55:24 Understandable Nov 25 03:55:57 in the future: people will be able to choose from either urloid or uoid Nov 25 03:56:18 "slim" or "slimmer" type thing Nov 25 03:57:20 aye Nov 25 03:57:29 good idea Nov 25 03:58:32 kesne: tons of changes coming the urloid way, changing servers as well to good ole BSD Nov 25 03:59:40 hey Nov 25 03:59:54 E'llo Giotto! Nov 25 04:01:14 kesne: what is a sample of the lightest colors should be for backgrounds? Nov 25 04:01:55 dBsooner: you around ? Nov 25 04:01:58 LoneStar34: just use palm's dark scene Nov 25 04:02:06 That'll fix the transparency Nov 25 04:02:57 kesne: did you test the urloid app on the device? Nov 25 04:03:17 hmm Nov 25 04:03:37 LoneStar34: yeah, both pre and pixi Nov 25 04:04:35 apparently I suck as a programmer. :( Nov 25 04:04:46 kesne: so other than the colors, did it work well? Nov 25 04:04:52 Rick_work: be a packaging monkey like me instead. Nov 25 04:05:22 kesne: it also copies the short url to the device clipboard, not sure if you knew Nov 25 04:05:26 rwhitby right now at this moment, any response I would make would be snarky and impolite. Nov 25 04:05:49 The first FOUR reviews of snowglobe were zero's with three requests for refunds. Nov 25 04:05:54 Rick no you don't Nov 25 04:05:55 this, is not good. Nov 25 04:06:02 What's snowglobe? Nov 25 04:06:17 * rwhitby installs it ... Nov 25 04:06:24 we're working on an update for you right now... Nov 25 04:06:28 it's an app of JenP and Josh and I that went into the app catalog this afternoon. Nov 25 04:06:37 JenP they're not complaining about the art. Nov 25 04:06:48 wow - you actually have to hit enter to search in the app catalog. how primitve. Nov 25 04:06:49 maybe the arts what's bogging it down? Nov 25 04:06:53 "The animation is jerky" and "This app is broken it doesn't do anything." Nov 25 04:07:12 doh! $1.99 Nov 25 04:07:16 cool no problem I am going to go through and delte non essentials Nov 25 04:07:25 Rick_work: Perfect Bounce Review suck too Nov 25 04:07:26 delete Nov 25 04:07:31 rwhitby: how was the cast tonight ? Nov 25 04:07:41 rwhitby I didn't ask you to buy it. :-( Nov 25 04:07:42 Rick_work: maybe they have MyTether with the respawn bug installed Nov 25 04:07:44 Rick Nov 25 04:07:53 I am going to make most of it static Nov 25 04:07:56 and simple Nov 25 04:08:05 Rick_work: no, I'm just not set up with a credit card and all the stuff yet Nov 25 04:08:10 kk Nov 25 04:08:15 Rick idn what they're talking about it runs perfect for me Nov 25 04:08:19 right on launch Nov 25 04:08:21 but It's got one purpose in life. Nov 25 04:08:34 * rwhitby wishes app catalog took paypal Nov 25 04:08:38 You put a photo in it, the snow falls, it looks pretty. What more is there supposed to be? Nov 25 04:08:54 II must have an old version mine has never worked but mine was put on there a while ago Nov 25 04:09:05 Seriously, I'm putting an exception in all of my apps not to run if the mytether service is running Nov 25 04:09:14 * Adora wishes rwhitby's mom took paypal Nov 25 04:09:22 my version 1.0.2 Nov 25 04:09:25 rwhitby: don't no if you seen my post but how was the cast ? Nov 25 04:10:00 DrFunk: not bad today - it wasn't a DroidCast Nov 25 04:10:33 Adora: my mom doesn't even have a computer :-) Nov 25 04:10:36 so ticked I missed it Nov 25 04:10:52 Adora: so you've got Precorder installed? Nov 25 04:11:02 rwhitby: did they discuss the over clocking ect.... Nov 25 04:11:08 DrFunk: yep Nov 25 04:11:09 JenP 102 and 103 are identical Nov 25 04:11:28 Palm accidentally rejected 102 by accident Nov 25 04:11:31 rwhitby: I TRIED! Nov 25 04:11:31 and I had to bump the version number to re submit Nov 25 04:11:35 I was going to a meeting that might have needed to be recorded Nov 25 04:11:40 but I didn't have enough bloody space again Nov 25 04:11:41 then i don't understand...are you having the same behavior they complained about? Nov 25 04:11:52 so I was frantically deleting apps trying to get it to install Nov 25 04:11:53 No, works perfectly on my pre. Nov 25 04:12:02 until finally I gave up Nov 25 04:12:03 Adora, did you do the review on Snow Globe? Nov 25 04:12:04 I was even late for the meeting, hahaha Nov 25 04:12:05 ok idk then Nov 25 04:12:05 rwhitby: what did they suggest if you don't mind me asking Nov 25 04:12:14 Rick_work: no, but I'm installing it on my production phone now Nov 25 04:12:26 anyone else in here try out snow globe? is it working for you? Nov 25 04:12:27 I admit freely Adora that it is slow. Nov 25 04:12:39 Animating a lot of snowflakes take a lot of effort. Nov 25 04:13:05 DrFunk: they sat on the fence. Nov 25 04:13:12 ok, first Nov 25 04:13:33 so they didn't suggest anything than 500 ect... Nov 25 04:13:34 seeing some random people in it when I first launch is kinda creepy =] Nov 25 04:13:41 sup zsoc Nov 25 04:13:57 and it's VERY slow Nov 25 04:13:59 DrFunk, no.. thing? Nov 25 04:14:06 (but I also have several other apps running) Nov 25 04:14:26 nada zsoc just saying sup :) Nov 25 04:14:46 Adora, that's fair. Nov 25 04:14:54 But we thought it needed SOMETHING in it. Nov 25 04:15:34 so rwhitby they didn't want to say anything about it ? Nov 25 04:15:34 Adora totally agree...we didn't know our picture was gonna be in it Nov 25 04:15:47 but thanks for calling me creepy..;-) Nov 25 04:16:03 JenP sorry, Nov 25 04:16:03 that's the images you sent me. Nov 25 04:16:03 I thought you wanted me to use them. Nov 25 04:16:03 I apologise Nov 25 04:16:03 JenP: no offense intended, of course =] Nov 25 04:16:07 DrFunk: to tell you the truth, I don't remember what was actually said at that point - I mainly focus on the chatroll ;-) Nov 25 04:16:22 guys it's ok Nov 25 04:16:25 no worries Nov 25 04:16:37 and Rick josh has some images he drew up for you Nov 25 04:16:55 ok Nov 25 04:17:04 besides if they need a rebate they know who to look for hehe Nov 25 04:17:05 yeah, the snowflakes are just too slow Nov 25 04:17:09 I'll push an update Nov 25 04:17:12 and it doesn't seem like they settle at the bottom Nov 25 04:17:13 Adora, I know. Nov 25 04:17:35 Rick are you p[ositive it isnt the animations Nov 25 04:17:55 and it is making my music player skip Nov 25 04:18:09 Adora, thanks Nov 25 04:18:16 Josh, it COULD be the animations. Nov 25 04:18:18 not horrible, but not so bad that we shouldn't have approved it Nov 25 04:18:48 ok rwhitby thanks guess I have to wait for the pod bc I have no outer right now ack Nov 25 04:18:57 Rick_work: once you've made some improvements, feel free to send me the ipk Nov 25 04:19:03 kk Nov 25 04:19:37 Rick_work josh will have the new graphics to you in a couple of hours Nov 25 04:19:39 Rick_work: Grats on the app Nov 25 04:19:46 outer = puter * Nov 25 04:20:04 you'll still have to go through the official process and may or may not be officially reviewed by me, but I'll offer you some more "critical" feedback Nov 25 04:20:14 because I think this is a great idea and want to see you guys do well Nov 25 04:20:27 and not just push you along through the system Nov 25 04:20:35 oh snap, my phone just started rebooting Nov 25 04:20:37 Adora: what is ? Nov 25 04:20:48 what do you guys think about just having this as the starting pic Nov 25 04:20:49 http://vocshop.com/games/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/snowglobe2.png Nov 25 04:20:55 no people just globe? Nov 25 04:20:59 JenP: MUCH better Nov 25 04:21:00 yes yes yes Nov 25 04:21:08 awesome...i like that too Nov 25 04:21:29 anyway, good luck guys Nov 25 04:21:29 anyone else want to test an IPK? Nov 25 04:21:41 madrox just called me to let me know he's in town, so I gotta jet Nov 25 04:21:59 LoneStar34: like ? Nov 25 04:22:16 I'll be around tomorrow, though Nov 25 04:22:20 * Adora swoops off Nov 25 04:22:33 a url shortner: http://admin.home.lonestarbeer.operaunite.com/file_sharing/content/ Nov 25 04:22:40 it is a very small Nov 25 04:22:57 38.9K Nov 25 04:23:40 join Nov 25 04:24:14 DrFunk: pass is: iNOZ Nov 25 04:24:16 anyone know why my calendar doesn't show an option for participants when I go to make a new entry? Nov 25 04:31:23 jtrucks: Mine doesn't either Nov 25 04:33:49 Roy-Pre101: a guide doc on Palm's site shows it... did they really not include that? it was one of the things that sucked about palmos :( Nov 25 04:34:34 Theoretically there's a way to do it. Nov 25 04:41:03 also, the locatin field is nearly useless since i can't attach a contact and use their addrss as the location... Nov 25 04:41:07 * jtrucks pouts Nov 25 04:46:13 All right, the Wake-on-LAN app is almost ready :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha5ItERgZnE Nov 25 04:48:14 Hey LoneStar, what is your app? Nov 25 04:48:24 Hey LoneStar Nov 25 04:50:24 yeah Nov 25 04:50:30 here Nov 25 04:50:42 http://admin.home.lonestarbeer.operaunite.com/file_sharing/content/ Nov 25 04:51:01 pass: iNOZ Nov 25 04:52:48 Laxidasical: app is at the above link Nov 25 05:10:05 sigh, I installed the 600Mhz cpu scaling patch and my phone no longer boots Nov 25 05:10:47 I'm trying to figure out a way to boot and manipulate the filesystem over USB to disable the broken patch Nov 25 05:11:13 warren: try #webos-internals Nov 25 05:11:17 oh Nov 25 06:28:48 howdy! Nov 25 06:51:18 how do you put an app into full screen mode Nov 25 06:54:41 i am trying to do this.controller.enableFullScreenMode() Nov 25 07:40:37 Pre101: do I have to sign up to write an article? Nov 25 07:45:02 huzzah app #2 hit the catalog today! Nov 25 07:45:18 i didn't know until i'd received a support/feature-request email about it Nov 25 07:48:57 awesome Nov 25 07:48:59 still can't find a way to see how many downloads i have Nov 25 07:49:07 how long did you wait for a response? Nov 25 07:49:22 for this app, none. i uploaded it 2 days ago Nov 25 07:49:25 went live today Nov 25 07:50:49 so if anyone wants to buy me a coffee, go buy "iHate411" Nov 25 07:50:51 kthx! Nov 25 07:50:52 :D Nov 25 07:51:11 awesome Nov 25 07:51:16 where do you upload them? Nov 25 07:51:37 in the "My Apps" part of developer.palm.com Nov 25 07:51:52 if your account is provisioned for the apps console to manage that stuf Nov 25 07:53:04 oh, i guess not.... Nov 25 07:53:14 ah Nov 25 07:53:26 than, you have to email it in for your first app Nov 25 07:55:01 ok, cool just emailed my first app like 10 minutes ago Nov 25 07:55:13 ah congrats! Nov 25 07:56:05 thanks, now sit and wait Nov 25 07:56:12 yuuuuup Nov 25 07:59:29 how many people have access to the app store right now? Nov 25 08:02:17 not a clue! Nov 25 08:02:28 pandora radio has 10k downloads Nov 25 08:02:38 so, more than 10k Nov 25 08:02:39 :) Nov 25 08:05:17 wow, you developed pandora radio? Nov 25 08:05:29 no no no Nov 25 08:05:49 i meant to say, there are 10k "reviews" on the app catalog page for it Nov 25 08:05:59 so, a fair amount more than 10k people downloaded it Nov 25 08:08:07 wow, great - is it free? Nov 25 08:08:14 pandora radio? Nov 25 08:08:52 yeah Nov 25 08:08:57 free Nov 25 08:10:33 cool, Nov 25 08:10:47 pandora radio is pretty nice Nov 25 08:13:04 can IPK file be decompiled? Nov 25 08:13:22 yes Nov 25 08:13:39 it's just an archive Nov 25 08:15:59 does palm look at the code of IPK before accepting them? Nov 25 08:17:08 any news on the app install limit from palm? Nov 25 08:21:27 Question for all the devs here. In your experiences with Mojo so far, what has challenged you most??? Nov 25 08:22:46 local file access (or more accurately, lack there of) Nov 25 08:23:17 Laxidasical: understanding how it all works Nov 25 08:23:24 together Nov 25 08:23:29 well getting asynchronous database access handled Nov 25 08:23:52 Jay: Haven't had to mess around with accessing files from my app, not looking forward to it though! Nov 25 08:24:04 Joe: I can help you with that... Nov 25 08:24:14 thanks .. i got it now.. but that was a hurdle Nov 25 08:24:28 LoneStar: What have you been studying so far? Did you get the webOS book? Nov 25 08:25:45 Laxidasical: after hours and hours got my app finally working Nov 25 08:25:59 will get the webOS book soon Nov 25 08:26:29 the book is really great Nov 25 08:26:55 Laxidasical: I submitted my first APP about an hour ago Nov 25 08:28:06 For me there were three big hurdles. 1) Figuring out how to truley run things in the background (no stage at all). 2) Getting the system alarms working (I still haven't gotten "at" working, just "in"). 3) Things that break in the emulator work perfectly on the device (added HOURS of un-needed troubleshooting) Nov 25 08:29:44 LoneStar: I actually think the book could have been written a little better and had a LOT more usable code examples. I'm comparing against a few other programming books that I own. However, I still say it's worth having. Nov 25 08:29:59 Laxidasical: that sucks that thing breaking in emulator do not break on the device Nov 25 08:30:09 Good luck LoneStar! What is it? Nov 25 08:30:53 I'm hoping to submit mine before the weekend... Nov 25 08:31:21 thanks. i love code samples... combining multiple code samples and getting help here - got it working Nov 25 08:31:45 i dunno, between sample code and the webos documentation, i've been able to get by pretty well Nov 25 08:31:58 the documentation is sparse, i'll quickly admit Nov 25 08:32:23 I agree I relied about 5% on the documentation Nov 25 08:32:35 mostly on sample apps for me Nov 25 08:32:51 tearing them apart over and over looking to find one that did what i was looking to do for some ui element Nov 25 08:32:56 code samples of all sorts really helped out 95% Nov 25 08:33:01 yuuuuuup Nov 25 08:33:02 Yeah, I piecemilled stuff together from the book, developer.palm.com, and webos-internals site mainly Nov 25 08:33:34 webos-internals has a site? Nov 25 08:34:34 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Main_Page Nov 25 08:34:52 That is where I found the best code example for getting SQLite running Nov 25 08:35:15 As well as learn how to setup/use Putty & Novaterm Nov 25 08:35:44 good to know. Nov 25 08:37:32 A post I made a while back at PreCentral on getting started: http://forums.precentral.net/2017045-post12.html Although, if you are submitting apps already you are probably past most of this. Nov 25 08:37:51 Hey Pandora, how is sunny CA??? Nov 25 08:38:50 very nice :) Nov 25 08:39:05 not a cloud in the sky today Nov 25 08:40:16 pandora: you live in Southern CA? Nov 25 08:40:50 yeah Nov 25 08:41:01 LA Nov 25 08:41:08 Must be nice! Rainy all day here in Chicago... Nov 25 08:41:44 cool - lived in SD until recently, but will go back soon! Nov 25 08:42:07 LoneStar: What is your app? Nov 25 08:42:19 Laxidasical: hehe ya, winter here is nice. today i wore a long sleeved shirt. Nov 25 08:42:35 =P @ Pandora Nov 25 08:42:38 Urloid.com Nov 25 08:42:47 I'd like to move to Miami in the next year or two Nov 25 08:45:08 Ah! So your app interacts with Urloid's API? Nov 25 08:45:26 Laxidasical: yeah - it runs on the API Nov 25 08:45:43 Cool! Nov 25 08:47:28 Laxidasical: yeah developed urloid back in 2007, and decided to re-release it about 2 weeks ago Nov 25 08:47:43 sorry 2 months ago, with all the short url craze Nov 25 08:49:28 How much will your app be? Nov 25 08:51:22 $0.99 Nov 25 08:51:46 Consider me your first sale when it's released! ;-) Nov 25 08:52:16 ok thanks! Nov 25 08:52:28 that would be awesome! Nov 25 08:54:34 Laxidasical: soon uoid.me short urls will be available via the same service Nov 25 08:58:25 http://admin.home.lonestarbeer.operaunite.com/file_sharing/content/ Nov 25 08:59:10 password: iNOZ Nov 25 08:59:18 for a screenshot via Opera Unite Nov 25 09:00:46 I like it...quick and easy to use! A nice feature would be a button to copy the new URL to the clipboard (if it's not already in there) Nov 25 09:02:08 oh, yeah it is automatically copied Nov 25 09:02:24 into clipboard Nov 25 09:04:33 Fantastic! I definitely have a use for that... Nov 25 09:05:27 i need to get a pre or pixi, maybe during xmas Nov 25 09:05:35 heh Nov 25 09:06:37 Wow...you only have the emulator? Nov 25 09:06:57 yeah Nov 25 09:07:10 lol Nov 25 09:07:33 That would have drove me bannanas, only because there are two things that always seem to break in the em that NEVER do on my Pre. Nov 25 09:08:01 I'd like to get my hands on a Pixi as well. My wife was going to get one, but she likes the Pre better. Nov 25 09:08:06 i haven't run into that yet myself Nov 25 09:08:20 but i started developing for pre a few months before i got one Nov 25 09:08:28 i feel ya LoneStar34 :) Nov 25 09:09:21 yeah - will need one soon for a more complex features Nov 25 09:10:03 Pandora: For some reason the emulator drops my database sometimes. I haven't been able to pinpoint why, there is no rhyme or reason. The only thing I can figure is that sometimes it's "too fast" for the callbacks, so when the scene loads it doesn't have the data from the database yet. Nov 25 09:10:45 haha Nov 25 09:10:47 that sucks Nov 25 09:11:07 Pandora: The other thing is the timeout service. If you've used it before, I could never get "at" working, only "in"... Nov 25 09:19:36 Well, I'm calling it a night. I have one small scene to do tomorrow and then my app is done! See you guys tomorrow if you are on... Nov 25 09:23:02 ok - c u tommorrow! Nov 25 11:49:55 hi rwhitby Nov 25 12:58:46 I wonder if anyone have any examples on how to use drawers in a list. I want to be able to click a row in a list and then exand a drawer under that row, is this possible? Nov 25 13:08:36 Arrrghhhh... my laptop just froze after I asked about the drawers in lists, so if anybody answered please post that again. Nov 25 13:47:53 snaggen: do u have experience with a list? Nov 25 13:53:16 bmyers_here: I have used lists and I think I get the hang of the basic ways to use them. Nov 25 13:54:20 bmyers_here: I found a related post in this thread http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/192269-checkbox-inside-list-widget.html Nov 25 13:55:13 but I still do not get how the template part of that works and when/how the #{id} part of the template is initialized... Nov 25 13:56:38 or if the id always will be set to the item id by automagic when lists are setup Nov 25 13:57:41 as you hear on my ramblings, I just found the link and I haven't had time to play with it to figure out how it works Nov 25 13:58:28 snaggen: I've done something similar earlier this year Nov 25 13:58:40 I was just about to start looking at that code again, so I'll see if I remember any of it Nov 25 13:59:41 jbjoerk: good to know that you have done it, so if I do not get this to work by looking at the link I might try to talk to you... Nov 25 13:59:56 and u want a list in a frawer right? Nov 25 14:00:00 snaggen: nothing in the SDK docs about it? Nov 25 14:00:12 bmyers_here: no, I want drawers in a list Nov 25 14:00:16 snaggen: I didn't use the "Drawer" widget tho Nov 25 14:01:03 as far as the template goes, u need a listTempalte and an itemTemplate Nov 25 14:01:11 where is the data coming from? Nov 25 14:01:50 in the SDK there are info about widgets in a list, like buttons Nov 25 14:02:18 and what do u want in the drawers? Nov 25 14:02:26 but the problem is that when the drawer is closed it will take no space so I must listen to tap on the list, find the drawer and expand it Nov 25 14:02:39 right.. Nov 25 14:02:59 u'll need something there i think when its closed Nov 25 14:03:30 bmyers_here: well that I'm not really sure of... I know the content, but not how I want to display it... I thought I just try to solve the drawer problem and if that would be impossible I rethink. Nov 25 14:04:05 if it is a list in the drawer you can start there first and then use it to make a list of drawers.. thats why i ask. Nov 25 14:04:42 bmyers_here: but I think the link above covers how to do it... but I must try it to see if I get it to work... Nov 25 14:04:56 sure.. have fun.. Nov 25 14:05:37 here is a list in a drawer: Nov 25 14:05:38
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Nov 25 14:06:10 bmyers_here: thanks for the pointers anyway... I might come back with more questions when I'm lost.... Nov 25 14:06:12 snaggen: do you want it sort of what they do in the Mail app? Ie, you have a list of accounts that you can tap on to expand? Nov 25 14:06:58 jbjoerk: something like that, but the expander will contain more info so I think a list row fits quite nice... Nov 25 14:07:41 jbjoerk: but an expander like the mail app might be interesting too... if you have any pointers on how to to that I'm all ears :) Nov 25 14:08:06 jbjoerk: as you hear, I havent really finalized all of the design yet :) Nov 25 14:08:32 snaggen: I sort of have code for that. I had static items though (Artist, Albums, Track), but I also hid some of them it they were not available Nov 25 14:08:43 lettme try and extract some relevant stuff and PM it to you Nov 25 14:09:02 jbjoerk: would be great! Nov 25 14:11:41 err. oups. Nov 25 14:11:50 lettme not do that again and put this at some sane place instead Nov 25 14:12:47 ohh... you got kicked :) Nov 25 14:13:05 that was unexpected Nov 25 14:13:42 not really, just was too lazy :P Nov 25 14:13:46 did you get the html part of it? Nov 25 14:15:30 I got the beginning of the html part, but I think it was the relevat parts... until the albums-list Nov 25 14:16:15 k, sent you a link to a document containing what I think is the relevant javascript. As I mentioned, haven't touched this in forever and a day Nov 25 14:16:47 woho, finally 1.3.1 downloaded, kickass Nov 25 14:20:41 must go back to work... thanks for all the help. Nov 25 15:19:47 Any Absolute Fitness users had problems with launching to an empty blue screen, or stuck at Installing Database 0%? Nov 25 15:59:27 happy not quite turkey day, all Nov 25 16:02:42 * ElVox is eating turkey today Nov 25 16:24:15 Happy not quite turkey day to you chuq Nov 25 16:35:32 Chuqui are you watching still? Nov 25 16:37:05 nope. Nov 25 16:37:10 what's up? Nov 25 17:04:39 interesting. my "All inboxes" folder says "No messages in the last -1 days" Nov 25 17:04:54 truly impressive, it's expecting tomorrow's messages already? Nov 25 17:20:20 got bugs for you guys, chuqui Nov 25 17:21:29 we have bugs? I'm shocked. Nov 25 17:22:00 hehe Nov 25 17:22:06 just a couple ;) Nov 25 17:22:24 it may just be me, but I reported them, anyway Nov 25 17:23:39 hola Nov 25 17:24:12 cool. where? Nov 25 17:26:26 what does the partial app limit fix in preware actually do? Nov 25 17:27:14 lyht: probably just removes the fixed limit. Nov 25 17:27:52 but how? What is it doing? Because the limit is actually the size of the volume where the apps are installed Nov 25 17:28:19 i think it uses mvapp to move your email and attachments? Nov 25 17:28:43 automatically in the background? So when it installs an app, it runs mvapp? Nov 25 17:29:05 no, those thing live in var by default Nov 25 17:29:07 on it so it is moved? Nov 25 17:29:26 mvapp moves stuff out of /var so there is more space for apps Nov 25 17:30:39 right. Knew that. trying to figure out what preware is doing. If it uses mvapp, that would be interesting. Easy enough to test. Nov 25 17:30:47 * lyht testing preware Nov 25 17:31:07 i thought it frontended mvapp. not sure tho.. Nov 25 17:32:24 well, I dont know what it is doing. Just installed an app, and mvapp doesn't have it in the list of apps that have been moved. Nov 25 17:38:53 Oh... I am dumb. I was trying to figure out what preware was doing because i was getting an error trying to install on my phone of "NOT ENOUGH INSTALL SPACE"... Then I was reminded that I must have the latest sdk to install on webos 1.3.1... ;P Nov 25 17:52:40 I currently have a lot of rather long todo lists in text files on my laptop. How would I expeditiously get them onto my Pre in such a way as to still be able to manage them using my computer (although not necessarily my text editor) Nov 25 17:56:15 missing sync? Nov 25 17:57:18 hmm. maybe. Nov 25 17:57:20 * jml looks Nov 25 17:57:50 maybe if you have outlook you could import them there and then over to the pre Nov 25 17:58:06 hey bmyers_here Nov 25 17:58:07 I'm running Ubuntu. Nov 25 17:58:34 jml: could still be done... Nov 25 17:58:46 HEY Atlanta in FLA. hows it going down there? Nov 25 17:58:58 rainy today Nov 25 17:59:02 but good news Nov 25 17:59:07 im going to atlanta tonihgt Nov 25 17:59:08 :-) Nov 25 17:59:08 ;p; Nov 25 17:59:12 bmyers_here, I don't have an outlook install handy. Nov 25 17:59:18 * jml thinks Nov 25 17:59:34 does missing sync support other stuff besides M$? Nov 25 17:59:34 s/;p;/lol Nov 25 17:59:46 what you guys ttrying to do Nov 25 18:00:19 he's got tasks lists in text files and he wants to get them onto his pre? Nov 25 18:00:20 atlanta, I have a whole bunch of todos in text files on my Ubuntu laptop. I'd like to get them onto my Pre. Nov 25 18:00:21 i think.. Nov 25 18:00:40 Why am I getting a weird style on this one entry menu? http://www.pastethat.com/PUf2l Nov 25 18:01:02 thebitguru: u probably have a attrib on it that you dont know of Nov 25 18:01:04 and then, I have to sync it from my pre to _somewhere_ I can edit from my laptop. Nov 25 18:01:09 jml: ouch Nov 25 18:01:11 doesn't have to be those text files. Nov 25 18:01:33 bitguru: i dont know but i'd love to see the app out there!! Nov 25 18:02:02 hay i had a framework started for that :-) Nov 25 18:02:02 bitguru: have u looked in with inspector? Nov 25 18:02:03 would it be hard to write a once-off script to do it, I wonder Nov 25 18:02:25 atlanta: the weird thing is that it works if I add one more entry. It is only with a single entry Nov 25 18:02:28 does google mail have tasks? Nov 25 18:02:34 maybe import them there? Nov 25 18:02:38 bmyers_here, it does. Nov 25 18:02:52 i dont think the phone tasks sync over though Nov 25 18:02:57 thebitguru: wierd Nov 25 18:03:04 do you have any conditional css? Nov 25 18:03:05 ? Nov 25 18:03:28 bmyers_here, I have exactly one task on Gmail, it hasn't synced over. Nov 25 18:03:51 atlanta: you know you are right, if I comment out all of the css then it seems OK Nov 25 18:03:53 dont believe task do sync Nov 25 18:03:57 yup yup Nov 25 18:04:07 check any global css attributes u have Nov 25 18:04:08 I guess I'll go look through the css and see if I can find the culprit. Nov 25 18:04:09 atlanta: thanks Nov 25 18:04:16 thebitguru: no problem Nov 25 18:04:46 when u get weird stuff on the page you have to go to inspector to see what actually being rendered. Nov 25 18:05:30 when inspector doesnt crash, its really usefull :) Nov 25 18:08:04 heelloooo Nov 25 18:09:17 do any of you have the patched app catalog that shows download count? Nov 25 18:09:43 pandora: yes, such a sweet patch Nov 25 18:10:34 chuqui: I posted them in the new forum area Nov 25 18:11:07 got it. thanks Nov 25 18:11:39 so has anyone else noticed how the average rating of apps in the catalog doesn't follow general statistical guidelines...? Nov 25 18:11:55 how do you mean ? Nov 25 18:12:13 i was always under the assumption that there were lies, damned lies and statistics Nov 25 18:12:35 My app has 19 − 5 Star Ratings, 1 − 4 Star Rating, and 1 − 2 Star Rating and it has a a rating of 4 1/2 Stars... Nov 25 18:12:50 the average is 4.81 which should for sure round to 5 Nov 25 18:13:12 and not to mention the 2 Star Rating should be thrown out because it is a statistical outlier... Nov 25 18:14:01 so you think the rating is bogus ? Nov 25 18:14:43 not bogus, but whatever algorithm they use is not following general statistical rules... Nov 25 18:15:15 sure it could be .. they may have a higher weight on lower ratings since people who are dissatisfied are more likely to go back and rate Nov 25 18:15:39 or whatever weighting they decide to use Nov 25 18:15:54 by that logic, low ratings should be given a lower weight... Nov 25 18:16:18 since those people are "more likely to go back and rate..." Nov 25 18:16:27 maybe 5's are too fickle so they are weighted as 4.5's Nov 25 18:16:35 lol Nov 25 18:17:17 natenrb9: soo.. wanna do me a favor and check my app(s)? i don't have the patch :( how many does iBored have? Nov 25 18:17:37 it may not follow average() ... maybe it weighs newer reviews higher than older reviews Nov 25 18:17:52 I don't know…it seems preposterous to me that 19 − 5 Stars, 1 − 4 Star, and 1 − 2 Star would be a rating of 4 1/2 stars…does anyone concur…? Nov 25 18:17:56 so a sliding scale Nov 25 18:18:04 what is the best pop up notification to use when a task is completed? Nov 25 18:18:16 I actually filed a bug on that, fwiw. Nov 25 18:18:31 chuq, bug on the average ratings ? Nov 25 18:19:00 chuqui: yes, were you referring to the average rating system? Nov 25 18:19:01 yes Nov 25 18:19:05 nice! Nov 25 18:19:08 interesting Nov 25 18:19:11 definitely a bug in there Nov 25 18:19:21 pandora: checking now Nov 25 18:19:39 pandora: how come you don't just install that patch? Nov 25 18:19:47 someone skipped math during High School Nov 25 18:20:15 why should the rating be based on average() ? Nov 25 18:20:18 lonestar: agreed Nov 25 18:20:35 bpadalino: why shouldn't it? Nov 25 18:20:48 do the ratings go away for each new version ? Nov 25 18:20:48 pandora: 348 for you Nov 25 18:22:05 if the latest version is terrible .. and gets 5 2-stars in a row .. shouldn't that trump the 50 5-stars for the previous version ? Nov 25 18:22:23 do they get to rest on their laurels ? Nov 25 18:22:36 for sure if versions come into play a different algorithm should be used Nov 25 18:22:44 mine is still on the first version :) Nov 25 18:22:50 also if the prev version got 50 1 stars and the new one is all 5's Nov 25 18:23:27 iphone catalog starts a new rating for each version Nov 25 18:23:53 hmm. Nov 25 18:24:03 ratings don't go away with each version. We are thinking about adding tying a rating to a review and aging them appropriately, but we have to be careful, because that also allows developers to game in other ways. Nov 25 18:24:08 is it possible for me to read and write from the data behind Tasks programatically? Nov 25 18:24:10 chuqui: are you the Palm Chuq? Nov 25 18:24:32 the man, the myth, the legend: chuqui! Nov 25 18:24:32 depends. do you like Palm Chuq or are you mad at him? Nov 25 18:24:35 it is very cool that you can update your review/rating in the palm catalog Nov 25 18:24:41 if you're mad at him, no, it's not me. Nov 25 18:24:51 that should help somewhat for new versions Nov 25 18:24:55 that you can update Nov 25 18:25:01 your review Nov 25 18:25:27 chuqui: i submitted an app. Nov 25 18:25:39 chuqui: that's a good approach. "if you're mad at him, no, it's not me." =) Nov 25 18:27:02 natenrb9: don't you have to have preware for that patch? Nov 25 18:27:22 well, one of the installers Nov 25 18:27:23 chuqui: nevermind, I CC: to "catalog.ecommerce.beta" Nov 25 18:27:28 preware is my fav Nov 25 18:27:44 but how have you not gotten one of the installers yet...? Nov 25 18:27:56 Thought, I had emailed the app to the wrong email address. Nov 25 18:27:56 homebrew apps, themes, and patches!! Nov 25 18:28:35 pandora: you need to get on that! Nov 25 18:32:52 what is a normal cpu utilization percentage on the Pre with all apps closed? mine keeps fluctuating between 15-20% Nov 25 18:34:05 THEY'RE WATCHING YOU Nov 25 18:34:14 <_< Nov 25 18:34:15 >_> Nov 25 18:35:20 * Mousey isn't being very helpful, stfu's Nov 25 18:35:39 chuqui: you over app reviewing at all? I have been waiting on my app Quick Search to be approved for awhile… any word on it? Nov 25 18:37:20 natenrb9: do you have a representative from palm Nov 25 18:37:21 ? Nov 25 18:37:32 atlanta: yeah Nov 25 18:37:49 atlanta: she hasn't had any info for me…just trying all channels :) Nov 25 18:37:56 oh ok Nov 25 18:37:56 gotch Nov 25 18:38:31 natenrb9: what should I get on? Nov 25 18:38:37 natenrb9: thanks for checking btw! Nov 25 18:38:43 natenrb9: you can always contact your local congressman... jk Nov 25 18:38:50 natenrb9: i expected like, 10 downloads, so you've totally made my day :) :) Nov 25 18:39:27 pandora: lol, nice! Nov 25 18:39:41 pandora: start here - http://www.precentral.net/how-to-install-homebrew-apps Nov 25 18:39:55 nate, let me see if I can get a status. Nov 25 18:40:26 chuqui: cool, thanks! Nov 25 18:40:45 natenrb9: ya i have filecoaster, just not the preware stuff Nov 25 18:40:55 pandora: oh ok Nov 25 18:41:13 pandora: do the steps 1 − 8 on this page: http://www.precentral.net/screen-virtual-keyboard-go-mere-mortals Nov 25 18:41:39 scroll down the page a bit to see the steps 1-8 Nov 25 18:41:48 Preware is super sick! Nov 25 18:41:59 so easy to install everything Nov 25 18:46:50 Need a popup notification to appear for about 3 seconds when a task is done. what would you all recommend? Nov 25 18:47:17 showAlertDialog on a setTimeout Nov 25 18:47:23 vice versa Nov 25 18:49:02 ok thanks. Nov 25 18:49:38 is there an example in the emulator that shows "showAlertDialog"? Nov 25 18:50:02 somewhwere in the Style Matters, app, I think Nov 25 18:51:15 sugardave: thanks Nov 25 18:51:29 np Nov 25 19:01:12 how can I get a divider in a submenu? Nov 25 19:05:41 has anyone looked into/found a way to turn up the volume on system sounds…? I am using them for sound effects in game and they are super quiet... Nov 25 19:30:33 hey Nov 25 19:38:59 is anyone else having a problem when in roaming that text messages send out like 5 times Nov 25 19:41:36 chuqui: were you able to find out anything on my Quick Search app? Nov 25 19:41:53 not yet. I've sent some emails. Nov 25 19:42:03 cool, thanks Nov 25 19:44:17 hi everyone Nov 25 19:44:33 hi Nov 25 19:44:42 atlanta: no, and i roam as much as i'm on sprint Nov 25 19:44:47 who wants to test my first application? Nov 25 19:44:53 wierd Nov 25 19:45:02 everybody i send a text to tell me i send it 5 times Nov 25 19:45:11 and on the pre the message stays grey Nov 25 19:45:17 like its not sending Nov 25 19:45:19 chuqui: we're sent in an app for review last Friday, now we're just supposed to wait patiently for an email right? Nov 25 19:46:22 Giotto: yes. Still a bunch of manual buttons to push and levels to pull on our end, so it takes a bit of time. And with the holidays, people who push buttons aren't in the office as much. Nov 25 19:46:36 okok :) Nov 25 19:46:42 I'm not sure what the "into the system" backlog is right now... Nov 25 19:47:12 * swisstomcat greets chuq from switzerland Nov 25 19:47:58 hello back to switzerland! Nov 25 19:48:12 Giotto: 4 weeks before i got my reply from them Nov 25 19:48:20 just updated my PRL Nov 25 19:48:23 and network settings Nov 25 19:48:26 hopefully that fixes it Nov 25 19:50:06 pandora--: ouch :) and after that comes a multiple turn "fix these problems and re-submit" phase? Nov 25 19:50:42 apparently i write solid code, my first submission went through to be published Nov 25 19:50:44 :) Nov 25 19:51:30 haha :) Nov 25 19:53:26 chuqui: if I already submitted an app yesteday, is it to late to submit an updated version for review? Nov 25 19:53:47 no, email it in, I'll send it along Nov 25 19:55:07 chuqui: the updated version includes a "banner notification" do I email it to you? Nov 25 19:55:38 send it to the beta addresss Nov 25 19:55:54 ok, i will thanks Nov 25 19:56:02 daaaaaamn my Pre has started to crash again. just like my first Pre Nov 25 19:56:19 i was told by tech support it has something to do with the proximity sensor Nov 25 19:56:28 sugardave: i used "banner notification" instead Nov 25 19:56:33 end a call, take away from ear... power off. Nov 25 19:56:40 damndamndamn Nov 25 19:56:56 lonestar: you will need to re-submit after being accepted as a developer anyway…so unless it is a major change….probably just wait Nov 25 19:57:36 who would like to alpha-test my first app? :) Nov 25 19:57:47 natenrb9 - yeah u are right will wait, do not bog down the waiting list! Nov 25 19:58:27 lonestar: exactly, and it would probably just cause delay on your end... Nov 25 20:01:31 naternrb9: just getting excited i guess Nov 25 20:03:14 lonestar: yep, I know the feeling! Nov 25 20:08:52 hm? Nov 25 20:12:21 swisstomcat: I'll take a look Nov 25 20:12:29 :) Nov 25 20:12:47 shall i just post the ipk? Nov 25 20:15:24 can I install the ipk in the emulator? Nov 25 20:15:51 that won't help much because the app uses sound and the accelerometer Nov 25 20:16:14 but you can test half of the app in the emulator Nov 25 20:17:04 http://www.inorbit.ch/upload/com.inorbit.moo_1.0.0_all.ipk Nov 25 20:17:38 swisstomcat: what kind of app is it? Nov 25 20:18:06 entertainment Nov 25 20:18:17 a little fun app Nov 25 20:18:41 Well, I spent some time looking at the app catalog today and I've concluded that people will download -anything-. Nov 25 20:19:05 It's almost disheartening when a 1 star app has as many downloads as your 4 star app. Nov 25 20:19:22 yeah, i dont know how folks make money on that kind of stuff Nov 25 20:19:36 since quality doesn't necessarily have anything to do with popularity Nov 25 20:20:24 yeah, what's with a fart app ... Nov 25 20:20:32 that you pay for Nov 25 20:20:33 Pre101: hehe Nov 25 20:20:44 how do I upload a IPK to the emulator? Nov 25 20:20:56 lonestar: palm-install xy.ipk Nov 25 20:20:58 palm-install it Nov 25 20:21:35 oh ok Nov 25 20:22:04 * pandora-- loading Moo... Nov 25 20:22:09 :) Nov 25 20:22:22 * swisstomcat jumps up and down Nov 25 20:22:39 sooo what am i supposed to be doing? Nov 25 20:22:59 try to find it out ... one hint: shake it Nov 25 20:23:33 Like a polaroid photograph? Nov 25 20:23:50 heh Nov 25 20:23:52 ok Nov 25 20:23:54 weird app Nov 25 20:24:33 is that good or bad? :) Nov 25 20:25:09 It's three times better than cow can! Nov 25 20:25:09 pre101: seriously, amazing that people don't really look at ratings...lol Nov 25 20:25:21 pre101: heh Nov 25 20:25:44 wait until i add more animals Nov 25 20:25:45 swisstomcat: maybe I'm just not your audience :) Nov 25 20:25:50 I like that the camel is wearing a tie. Some camels are just too informal. Nov 25 20:26:10 swisstomcat: disable scrolling Nov 25 20:26:18 pandora: my audience is probably under 5 years old Nov 25 20:26:25 heh Nov 25 20:26:59 e.g my son is crazy about animals and their voices Nov 25 20:27:11 I'll try it out on my son Nov 25 20:27:23 pre101: i'll try ... had some problems with imageview until i found out today how it's supposed to work Nov 25 20:28:48 didn't know or see that you can do mojo.manualsize(x,y) Nov 25 20:28:56 You don't need an image view. Nov 25 20:29:07 well, now i just have a div Nov 25 20:29:10 You can just plop an tag directly on the scene Nov 25 20:29:30 but how do you disable scrolling on that? Nov 25 20:29:32 Pre101: and watch it eat the performance Nov 25 20:29:41 Pre101: with camera photos at least. *sigh* Nov 25 20:34:37 what does the app supposed to do? should it work in the emulator? :) Nov 25 20:36:10 giotto: it only works half in the emulator because of missing sound and accelerometer Nov 25 20:40:03 Roy-Pre101: how did you make out last night? Nov 25 20:42:34 roy-pre101: first question, who did you make out with last night? Nov 25 20:42:46 :) Nov 25 20:42:56 natenrb9: I don't kiss and tell. Nov 25 20:43:00 lol Nov 25 20:43:04 am I on the right chanel? :D Nov 25 20:43:08 *channel Nov 25 20:43:14 Giotto: Not if you want a kiss. Nov 25 20:43:30 that one was just too easy, ha! Nov 25 20:43:37 zsoc_wirc: I uploaded with the new setting Nov 25 20:43:47 I didn't look at the images at all. Nov 25 20:43:57 Still waiting on word from you on the filename stuff. Nov 25 20:44:10 ok cool Nov 25 20:44:24 moving to to video folder is working Nov 25 20:45:08 launching last video will require just grabbing the last output name right? Nov 25 20:45:40 or you mean actually naming files? Nov 25 20:46:58 both are working (sort of), I think I just need to sit in front of it and test the flow Nov 25 20:48:28 are there any on the phone installers/apps that allow you to install an .ipk file that you receive say in an email? Nov 25 20:48:50 terminal ? Nov 25 20:49:24 true the terminal could work couldn't it, if you had the direct path to the file? Nov 25 20:49:34 the terminal app that is Nov 25 20:49:49 has anyone attempted this? Nov 25 20:50:03 installing ipk's using terminal ? Nov 25 20:50:06 yeah works like a charm Nov 25 20:50:15 the terminal app? Nov 25 20:50:18 on your phone? Nov 25 20:50:20 yeah Nov 25 20:50:30 where were the ipk's located? Nov 25 20:50:49 i usually grab them using wget to /media/internal Nov 25 20:50:50 or maybe /tmp .. Nov 25 20:50:52 wherever Nov 25 20:50:57 zsoc_wirc: You could just return the video name with te stop record if that'd be easier. Nov 25 20:51:07 you can feel free to be creative Nov 25 20:51:26 Roy-Pre101: ok. that will get the launch working Nov 25 20:51:33 bpadalino: say I email someone the ipk, what would be the easiet code to find and istall it? Nov 25 20:51:44 we can work on renaming later Nov 25 20:52:10 i think there is a place where the attachments go .. Nov 25 20:52:13 Roy-Pre101: should we have a separate 'play previous' button? Nov 25 20:52:17 i forgot where exactly .. Nov 25 20:52:24 but using find would reveal the location pretty quickly Nov 25 20:52:39 how do you use find in terminal? Nov 25 20:52:41 zsoc_wirc: I also thought about maybe have a recent videos list. Nov 25 20:52:55 find . -iname where . is the directory you want to start recursively searching from Nov 25 20:53:31 find / -name \\ works for me usually Nov 25 20:53:40 or that Nov 25 20:54:31 and do you put the path in to install like so: palm-install /var/com.palm.app_1.0.0_all.ipk Nov 25 20:54:31 Roy-Pre101: I could make that array, not sure how the mojo would implement it Nov 25 20:54:31 for example Nov 25 20:54:56 oh no .. palm-install doesn't work .. you need to run ipkg itself Nov 25 20:55:03 and become an ipkg guru Nov 25 20:55:12 oh Nov 25 20:55:16 how do you do that? Nov 25 20:55:23 talk to rwhitby a lot :) Nov 25 20:55:54 usually ipkg -o /var works for 3rd party installs Nov 25 20:55:59 but i am no expert Nov 25 20:56:42 zsoc_wirc: You don't need to store the list... I'll just drop it into a cookie after recording. Nov 25 20:57:10 oh. interesting Nov 25 21:04:12 bpadalino: is there anyway to do arrow key actions on the terminal app? Nov 25 21:05:58 yeah - but i forgot how .. there should be a tutorial on the webos-internals page Nov 25 21:06:45 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Terminal Nov 25 21:07:00 might get better/quicker support from #webos-internals Nov 25 21:07:10 awesome, thanks! Nov 25 21:07:23 np Nov 25 21:09:15 how much does palm keep of app sales? 70% or 80% ? Nov 25 21:11:20 70, got it Nov 25 21:12:44 pandora: I believe they keep 30% Nov 25 21:12:53 that might be what you meant... Nov 25 21:12:57 oh, yeah i meant.. ya Nov 25 21:13:01 :) Nov 25 21:24:50 I'm back Nov 25 21:40:26 hi atlanta Nov 25 23:07:16 is Adora here? Nov 25 23:09:21 Pre says "phone offline". Was working fine, then I held the power button and selected shutdown/change battery - I was just curious about the choices when you hold the power button - on coming back up it'll do wifi but it seems to have forgotten how to be a phone. Ideas? Nov 25 23:09:45 restart it Nov 25 23:10:04 go to device info and reset options Nov 25 23:10:08 top button should be restart Nov 25 23:10:11 Did once, but I'll try that again. Nov 25 23:11:29 Seems weird that I can't find any menu choice that says "go online". Nov 25 23:12:38 Do you have patches installed? Nov 25 23:12:52 That usually causes that issue on my phone Nov 25 23:13:16 Still phone offline. Yes, a number of patches and homebrew apps. This has happened to you more than once? Nov 25 23:13:56 Yes patches seemed to be the cause... I removed them and it was fine, but before you do something like that Nov 25 23:14:03 Is your bill paid up Nov 25 23:14:04 ;) Nov 25 23:14:19 Try going into airplane mode and back out Nov 25 23:14:51 Heh, yeah, it's all auto-pay, they take what they want when they want it. -- Did airplane mode on/off, didn't help. Could try it again. Nov 25 23:15:23 how did you do it Nov 25 23:15:28 from the power switch or menu Nov 25 23:15:52 You mean airplane mode? From the menu. Nov 25 23:16:34 try from the power button, also have you tried to power down Nov 25 23:16:34 and back up Nov 25 23:17:01 That was what got me into this in the first place was powering off. Nov 25 23:18:01 try it again Nov 25 23:18:24 Well another airplane on/off from the menu seems to have fixed it. (I was going to try from power button next, guess I don't have to). I hate events like this, computers are supposed to be deterministic. Nov 25 23:19:07 So Adora isnt hiding some where is she? Nov 25 23:20:57 Thanks for the help. I'm going to go take out my frustrations on a Russian terrorist. Nov 25 23:26:06 lordbah - nice Nov 25 23:26:15 and your welcome Nov 25 23:26:35 Templarian: doubtful since I have not seen any rejected patches while patching. and the things I've patched should not cause reboots. Nov 25 23:27:27 jauderho: mixing up irc tabs. Nov 25 23:27:34 yeah just noticed =) Nov 25 23:27:41 switching back to internals =) Nov 25 23:32:50 CTLAdvance-work: here now, but I might have to jet off to a meeting any second now Nov 25 23:32:50 what's up? Nov 25 23:33:56 oops, now I gotta go Nov 25 23:33:57 afk! Nov 25 23:35:55 i am running the palm emulator, how do you quit an app ? Nov 25 23:36:01 I'm trying to change a row object given back by a query and I can't change the values, does anyone know why and how to copy ot easyly to a changeabel object Nov 25 23:36:42 any hint for new to palm, using emulator Nov 25 23:36:52 press esc Nov 25 23:37:27 or 1 on numeric keypad Nov 25 23:37:34 ok.. does esc emulate a button on the pre ? Nov 25 23:37:49 .. I don't actually have a real pre ;-) Nov 25 23:37:58 i think the back gesture Nov 25 23:38:19 ok - like swipe back with finger Nov 25 23:38:20 to get back one scene (view) of the app Nov 25 23:38:28 yeah, esc is the back gesture Nov 25 23:38:39 back swipe gesture Nov 25 23:39:03 :-) anything else I need to know Nov 25 23:39:52 try the numeric keypad and http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1744 Nov 25 23:40:17 any ideas about the SQL result row thing? Nov 25 23:41:34 Roy-Pre101, sorry if i asked you this already. did you push your update for the led api implementation / launch button? Nov 25 23:42:11 zsoc: yes Nov 25 23:42:16 zsoc: Last night Nov 25 23:42:26 hmmm Nov 25 23:42:26 thanks socken thats a lot of new info to look at and get started Nov 25 23:43:08 Roy-Pre101, the commit log only shows directory adjustments and branch merging from you... Nov 25 23:44:51 why is it promoting the eclipse environment - can I use dreamweaver since its html/css/javascript etc Nov 25 23:45:04 zsoc: You have to read the whole comment Nov 25 23:45:16 That's just the first line of it. Nov 25 23:46:09 Roy-Pre101, oh, right, i see the comment now.. but uh.. there's no file changes... acording to the commitdiff Nov 25 23:46:29 "[moved from app/assistants/preferences-assistant.js with 100% similarity]" Nov 25 23:48:09 Roy-Pre101: the launch button didn't work for me from the git version Nov 25 23:49:02 rwhitby: Really? Nov 25 23:49:27 and preferences-assistance i'm assuming is where the led update would be Nov 25 23:49:43 I think I could use dreamweaver plus terminal (Mac OS X)- or is eclipse doing some extra work that is valuable ? Nov 25 23:49:45 I wonder if doing the move after updating purged the changes? Nov 25 23:50:05 Roy-Pre101: yeah, I didn't try hard. can you give me something to look for in the code to make sure we have the right version? Nov 25 23:51:21 Yeah, one sec. Let me make sure it didn't obliterate my changes locally, too Nov 25 23:51:36 I have a simple App to port to Pre - just need to get organised... anyone has comments about IDE preference to share ? Nov 25 23:52:57 naomipunkclan, i use eclipse. some will say use komodo + plugins/addons.l Nov 25 23:52:59 naomipunkclan: Komodo and Templarian's Mojo extenstion works great Nov 25 23:54:04 lack of emulator support for sound looks problematic for me Nov 25 23:54:55 not really, you can enable some sounds in the emulator, then actual tests on real hardware Nov 25 23:54:59 it is expensive to get an actual Pre phone - cost in the 18 month contract @ ~£35 its a £700 investment Nov 25 23:55:05 I mean, it sucks, yeah Nov 25 23:56:15 is it possible to put a toggle button in the title area ofa palm group? Nov 25 23:58:10 naomipunkclan: just find a friend with a Pre or Pixi :D Nov 25 23:58:40 looks like you really need the device to be realistic... On the Iphone I only spent £150 on IPod touch to get going Nov 25 23:59:38 after it was all over with, I spent $150 on my Pre Nov 26 00:01:59 sugardave how did you get a pre for $150 ? Nov 26 00:02:35 I would be happy with a development device only, no need for the phone contract Nov 26 00:02:46 hey zsoc Nov 26 00:02:53 right carrier, right time...I was already a Sprint customer and my contract had just expired, plus I added a phone for my wife, plus the rebate, etc. Nov 26 00:05:34 well, its subsidised by the network still... is there any developer subsidy from Palm - long shot I know :-) Nov 26 00:06:10 Anyone know if Palm can help small devs like this ? Nov 26 00:06:19 I don't think so Nov 26 00:09:23 on audio content - anyone know about this ? Just use HTML5 tags for audio player ? Nov 26 00:14:22 zsoc: rwhitby: Apparently my git-fu wiped out all the changes. Nov 26 00:14:42 Roy-Pre101: ouch Nov 26 00:14:43 Good news: I think it's still ont he emulator so I might can pull it back down. Nov 26 00:14:52 Roy-Pre101: yay! Nov 26 00:15:09 apparently git move instructions wipe out local changes first. Nov 26 00:15:10 Roy-Pre101, sorry to put you through the trouble :/ Nov 26 00:15:28 I'm sorry, it was my screwup, apparently. Nov 26 00:17:14 for example should I try this approach... Nov 26 00:17:51 this is in theory as I have not even done any Pre code yet Nov 26 00:17:54 naomipunkclan: you should check through the Mojo.Media documentation at developer.palm.com Nov 26 00:18:59 * zsoc thinks HTML5's unfinished state and webos's partial implementation is confusing Nov 26 00:19:41 nah, it's "exciting" Nov 26 00:22:48 naomipunkclan: Check out webs101.com Nov 26 00:23:07