**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 26 02:59:56 2009 Nov 26 03:14:43 Wednesday News Roundup - Thanksgiving Edition : http://pre101.com/blog/2009/11/25/wednesday-news-roundup-thanksgiving-edition/ Nov 26 03:16:44 hi roy Nov 26 03:19:31 Roy-Pre101 good summary Nov 26 03:19:43 and I've got a new snow globe, you got a minute to look at it? Nov 26 03:20:18 Rick_work: hope you don't mind me throwing that in there. I thought it might help people to know that there's a known problem and that you're not trying to screw people out of $2. :) Nov 26 03:20:25 Rick_work: Yes, gladly. Nov 26 03:20:29 No no it was GOOD Nov 26 03:20:53 Were you adding multiple setInterval timers or something? Nov 26 03:21:04 Roy-Pre101 on it's way Nov 26 03:21:19 several stacked problems. Nov 26 03:21:35 1) 320x480 animated gifs with no gpu chip. this was the biggest issue. Nov 26 03:21:37 testing, testing, testing. Nov 26 03:21:49 320x480 animated gif? yikes. Nov 26 03:22:10 2) setintervals -- shaking was stacking setintervals, the clear was failing. Nov 26 03:22:17 that big a drain? Nov 26 03:22:27 That big a drain. Nov 26 03:22:35 and finally, too big a mp3. Nov 26 03:22:47 gotta sample that down a good bit. Nov 26 03:22:59 so MUCH smaller mp3 at a MUCH lower bit rate, no setintervals leaks, and kill the animations. Nov 26 03:23:19 sounds like a winner. Nov 26 03:23:42 you've got it. Nov 26 03:23:54 Did you notice that the sprint presentation went up? Nov 26 03:23:55 You know, I should have done a price comparison with my xmas edition. Nov 26 03:24:05 You mean the one I retweeted? Nov 26 03:24:26 afk Nov 26 03:42:23 hi all! happy pre-turkey day Nov 26 03:42:48 happy pre turkey day to you! Nov 26 03:55:09 Gobble Gobble. Nov 26 03:57:31 I'm experimenting with registrations for Match 'em. So far, 45 registrations between the two. Nov 26 03:58:24 Make that 43, two people registered twice. Nov 26 03:59:15 What's match'em? Nov 26 04:03:05 reality9110: It's in the app catalog. It's a concentration style game. Two versions, regular and XMas. Nov 26 04:03:39 Rick: Still seeing odd issues and I can't open the menu Nov 26 04:04:11 Super laggy still Nov 26 04:04:50 Wait... there goes the menu Nov 26 04:04:57 Sloooowly. Nov 26 04:05:25 Palm let you get by with that menu layout? And they busted my ass over an item between preferences and Help? Nov 26 04:05:35 W T H Nov 26 04:08:22 You should use the predefined Palm constants for the help menu Nov 26 04:08:54 Where are the specs for the menu? Nov 26 04:09:18 Edit must be first, Help must be last. Preference must be above Help. Nov 26 04:09:24 immediately above. Nov 26 04:09:31 They can be disabled but they must be there. Nov 26 04:09:51 Of course, I can see that damn near nobody is doing it 'right,' not even Palm. Nov 26 04:09:53 There needs to be an edit? Nov 26 04:09:58 yes Nov 26 04:10:10 Bah Nov 26 04:10:32 My Palm reviewer busted my ass on the menu and I'm a little irked to see Rick's menu Nov 26 04:11:13 Their guidelines are pretty specific. Nov 26 04:14:27 Ok. Question about that. How do we make our Preferences and Helps be used as the defaults? When I add a preferences and help as items to the list, I've got double items Nov 26 04:16:55 what was the issue about their menu? Nov 26 04:17:17 reality9110: Read my article on webos101.com Nov 26 04:17:29 The menu thing posts my whole code for making all the menu items just work. Nov 26 04:17:34 reality9110 you do this.controller.setupWidget(Mojo.Menu.appMenu, { Nov 26 04:17:34 omitDefaultItems: true Nov 26 04:17:37 menu entry. Nov 26 04:17:41 the omitdefault items thing Nov 26 04:19:04 That's kind of...stupid. Nov 26 04:19:14 well ok Nov 26 04:19:19 You should be able to take over the entry for Preferences and Help Nov 26 04:19:20 you could NOT omit the default items Nov 26 04:19:35 and you would then get their default items in their default order. Nov 26 04:20:07 I had them omitted, but I now I need to add an entry for edit. Nov 26 04:20:22 reality9110 simple -- just steal this. Nov 26 04:20:23 http://webos.pastebin.com/m5f0327b7 Nov 26 04:21:18 Rick_work: I've already got something similar in the app. Nov 26 04:21:26 I'm concerned about the "Edit" entry now Nov 26 04:21:34 just stick it in there. Nov 26 04:21:37 it won't DO anything Nov 26 04:21:39 Rick_work: That's not good. Nov 26 04:22:18 hmm, webOS101.com isn't responding... Nov 26 04:23:02 hi Nov 26 04:23:31 http://webos.pastebin.com/d2fe61a59 Nov 26 04:23:53 There are predefined constants for Help, which will automatically translate them. Nov 26 04:24:05 Mojo.Menu.helpItem. Nov 26 04:24:20 If you're using a bog-standard menu, you don't even need to omitDefaultItems Nov 26 04:24:44 you can enable and disabled menu items in the handleCommand method Nov 26 04:24:56 s/disabled/disable/ Nov 26 04:25:28 nodnod and you can use the 131 auto-generate the support page using support-info.json Nov 26 04:25:38 sorry Nov 26 04:25:42 they moved that into appinfo Nov 26 04:26:23 As you can see, you can override the enabling/disabling of a menu on a scene-by-scene basis by setting helpMenuDisabled on the assistant. Nov 26 04:26:50 Roy-Pre101: That's what I was looking for. Overriding the defaults. Thanks. Nov 26 04:27:05 roy did you get the ipk? Nov 26 04:27:33 hey doc, did it take a while before smaato test ads actually sent more than just the beacon? Nov 26 04:28:41 sugardave: Their server is having a problem right now while they integrate Madvertise Nov 26 04:29:00 But no. They started sending immediately Nov 26 04:29:31 ah, okay...I'm get 2 ^Ms with site and pub at 0, and "unknown site" when using the ones they gave me Nov 26 04:29:39 cool, hopefully will clear up soon, tha nks Nov 26 04:29:59 sugardave: Make sure you're not using a private IP address Nov 26 04:30:29 I need to check it, just using $_SERVER['REMOTE_ADDR'] from the PHP side Nov 26 04:31:05 I reemed Kedric from Smaato out earlier today Nov 26 04:31:28 oh yeah? I got to run to the store, then you can tell me about it :D Nov 26 04:32:16 Rick_work: I guess you missed my responses above. I got it, it doesn't fix the issue for me. Nov 26 04:32:37 ok, let me see if I understand Nov 26 04:32:55 it launches fast, you tap the snowman, the screen goes white for several seconds and then the globe blinks in? Nov 26 04:33:00 that's the lag you're refering to? Nov 26 04:33:16 Anyone know if you can call a function in your currently active scene from within the app assistant? Nov 26 04:33:28 I had a version installed previously so it didn't pop up the snowman. I had a custom background. Nov 26 04:33:35 CTLAdvance-work yes Nov 26 04:33:49 Roy-Pre101 ok, so the lag was coming into that scene. Nov 26 04:33:54 CTLAdvance-work: delegateToSceneAssistant Nov 26 04:33:58 either way, it's the "main" scene that's the laggy one. Nov 26 04:34:10 yes. Nov 26 04:34:24 The menus won't open easily. Nov 26 04:34:27 K I think I know a way around that. Nov 26 04:34:31 You swipe a lot before they open Nov 26 04:34:56 What kind of interval are you running? Nov 26 04:35:04 100 Nov 26 04:35:13 Gimme a minute -- I'm looking at it. Nov 26 04:35:15 That's plenty slow, I'd think. Nov 26 04:36:16 Roy-Pre101 http://webos.pastebin.com/m75bbc61 Nov 26 04:36:23 that's the snow animation loop. Nov 26 04:36:25 reality delegateToSceneAssistant(function_name) correct? Nov 26 04:36:29 and it's pretty darned lean. Nov 26 04:36:38 but I can try to thin it down a bit. Nov 26 04:38:16 Suggestion: set a variable to $("snowDiv) so you don't have to keep looking it up Nov 26 04:38:25 Lookups are a bit slow. Nov 26 04:38:28 yeah and to all the internal ones Nov 26 04:38:31 doing that now. Nov 26 04:40:44 What is SNOW_no? Nov 26 04:40:53 And snowmax? Nov 26 04:42:06 Are you ever clearing the accumulated snow? Nov 26 04:44:42 I don't think it's (just) this loop. I think something's happening elsewhere. Nov 26 04:45:13 clear the accumulated snow (a) on shake (b) when snow loop runs out. Nov 26 04:45:28 just changed all refs to snow div's to array variables. Nov 26 04:45:31 helped. Nov 26 04:45:41 but there is NOTHING ELSE GOING ON Nov 26 04:45:44 snow Nov 26 04:45:50 music (your music lib) Nov 26 04:45:54 and that's all there is. Nov 26 04:45:59 wll, a shake watcher. Nov 26 04:51:53 How is the webos work going? Nov 26 04:52:14 Thanks everyone for the help a moment ago Nov 26 04:53:43 JohnnyL it goes Nov 26 04:53:47 sometimes better than others. Nov 26 04:53:54 currenlty it's others for me Nov 26 04:54:32 Rick_work oh? Nov 26 04:54:53 Roy-Pre101 is there an event that fires when the app menu is called? Nov 26 04:55:01 can I clear the interval when the app menu is invoked? Nov 26 04:55:15 'cause that's absolutely the problem Nov 26 04:55:21 if you let the snow run out Nov 26 04:55:25 and then hit the app menu Nov 26 04:55:28 it's instantanious Nov 26 04:58:36 Rick_work: I haven't found one yet but I had the same question. Nov 26 04:59:18 hmm... Nov 26 04:59:19 well... Nov 26 04:59:37 You know the menu is coming down when it calls the handleCommand... Nov 26 04:59:44 but I don't know about when the menu hides. Nov 26 05:00:58 If your app is consuming enough that the menu can't display without pausing the interval then you probably need to slow down the interval since it will affect other apps. How far down did you downsample the song? Nov 26 05:01:49 24k Nov 26 05:01:55 but pausing the sound makes not difference Nov 26 05:02:14 Yeah, I know, but I was curious Nov 26 05:03:10 ok Nov 26 05:03:14 I think I have it now. Nov 26 05:03:18 willing to try one more time? Nov 26 05:03:30 Sure Nov 26 05:03:36 Testing is important! Nov 26 05:03:44 Although son is using computer for a bit. Nov 26 05:05:13 www.vocshopgames.com/snowglobe/com.vocshop.snowglobe_1.0.6_all.ipk Nov 26 05:07:58 menu now comes down on one swipe. Nov 26 05:08:04 Snow starts and stops Nov 26 05:08:07 snow moves. Nov 26 05:08:16 snow accumulates. Nov 26 05:08:33 shaking clears accumulation and starts snow over. Nov 26 05:08:40 timeout on snow clears accumulation Nov 26 05:08:46 shake starts snow over. Nov 26 05:09:24 Must build complex apps. Nov 26 05:10:11 must get phone with GPU turned on Nov 26 05:10:19 Maybe Nov 26 05:10:31 calculating transparency most annoying. Nov 26 05:11:06 Arrrgh. Bug in the search function Nov 26 05:11:14 sorry doc Nov 26 05:11:26 Rick_work: did you actually get anyone to buy the globe app? Nov 26 05:11:26 and you know we're working on a really complex app. Nov 26 05:11:34 57 people so far. Nov 26 05:11:40 five have asked for refunds Nov 26 05:11:52 Is that possible? Nov 26 05:11:57 Rick_work: need some more help? Nov 26 05:12:16 sugardave need a tester Nov 26 05:12:25 phone or emu is alright> Nov 26 05:12:26 ? Nov 26 05:12:35 www.vocshopgames.com/snowglobe/com.vocshop.snowglobe_1.0.6_all.ipk Nov 26 05:15:32 I'm going to build an orb application next, I think Nov 26 05:18:24 orb? Nov 26 05:19:12 are you looking for something in particular that was/is broken? Nov 26 05:19:16 Rick_work: ^^^^ Nov 26 05:19:38 menus unresponsive, phone laggy... Nov 26 05:19:38 should be fixed in 106 Nov 26 05:19:57 Rick_work: What was the issue? I'm about to load it. Nov 26 05:20:07 tweaking. Nov 26 05:20:41 more moving of dom into variables. double double double double checking that setintervals have been cleared (clear them twice and it is nice.) Nov 26 05:21:02 animating 32 snowflakes about the screen doesn't seem like too much to ask. Nov 26 05:21:04 really laggy.. Nov 26 05:21:14 crap Nov 26 05:21:37 attached my own picture, put snowglobe in the background Nov 26 05:21:44 brought it back and really laggy Nov 26 05:22:38 shot fromteh pre's camera? Nov 26 05:23:33 yeah, I just chose my own pic and and have the music off, and it just took a while to draw that app menu Nov 26 05:23:35 Rick_work: Still laggy for me Nov 26 05:23:37 Anyone know if you can setup a queue using the html5 audio tag? Nov 26 05:24:13 I'll try uploading the source here and looking through it if you want, Rick. The speed of the snowflakes is really low. Like 1 per second. Nov 26 05:24:19 nope Nov 26 05:24:22 CTLAdvance-work: Everything we've tested says 'no' Nov 26 05:24:25 I now know what it is. Nov 26 05:24:35 We're all eager to know. Nov 26 05:24:47 Thanks Nov 26 05:24:55 Roy-Pre101 bmyers_here try picking a WALLPAPER instead of a camera image Nov 26 05:25:00 ok Nov 26 05:25:04 and tell me if it is less laggy Nov 26 05:25:21 gimme a few... Nov 26 05:26:37 Rick_work: I picked a wallpaper just now and I had the music off, when I came back in the music was playing Nov 26 05:26:52 ok Nov 26 05:26:53 and it's definitely less laggy Nov 26 05:26:55 but what about the lag Nov 26 05:26:57 yeah Nov 26 05:27:06 Ok, I now have a diagnosis and I'm not happy. Nov 26 05:27:15 and I'm probably going to pull it from the app catalog. Nov 26 05:27:18 for now. Nov 26 05:27:22 it's the huge files isn't it? Nov 26 05:27:54 yes. wallpaper less laggy it seems Nov 26 05:27:55 In 131, pal prohibited us from getting at "clipped" images. Nov 26 05:27:55 you clip an image and it makes a clipped version in some folder which 131 prohibited access to. Nov 26 05:28:16 lame Nov 26 05:28:24 So, what I'm doing is taking the info from the photo clipper, and simply SCALING AND CENTERING the photo behind the globe, but the whole huge image is there "behind" Nov 26 05:28:41 and calculating the transparancy of the snowflakes against the scaled image is killing it. Nov 26 05:28:43 :-( Nov 26 05:29:00 de-instal, and re-install, and watch the snow on the teddy bear. Nov 26 05:29:02 No lag. Nov 26 05:29:17 until they re-enable clipping, the damned globe is disfunctional. Nov 26 05:29:30 CRAP Nov 26 05:29:36 you can't get the default teddy bear back?! :P Nov 26 05:29:53 photo picker wont pick photos in app directories Nov 26 05:30:06 it would in 121 but not in 131 Nov 26 05:30:16 I just used a dirty word and deleted it Nov 26 05:31:02 How is the image there? Just an tag? Nov 26 05:31:10 roy yes. Nov 26 05:34:10 go click it somewhere else? u got image magic on your server? Nov 26 05:34:20 go *clip* it somewhere else? u got image magic on your server? Nov 26 05:36:24 that's about my only choice. Nov 26 05:37:22 it's a PITA but... Nov 26 05:37:26 "You don't appear to have an internet connection. In order to crop your image the way you said I need to have an internet connection. I can still show your image, but it will be VERY VERY SLOW. are you ok with that? (((YES))) (((NO))) Nov 26 05:38:01 glacial... Nov 26 05:38:16 ok Nov 26 05:39:41 Rick_work: Since you got rid of the animated gif, did you change the globe to a .png or is it still a gif? Nov 26 05:39:52 I wonder if that makes any difference. Nov 26 05:39:57 The GLOBE has always been a png Nov 26 05:40:11 What was the 320x480 animated gif? Nov 26 05:40:15 in order to have an alpha transparency channel so we can have highlights and stuff. Nov 26 05:40:18 The rest of the background? Nov 26 05:40:35 the twinkle lights on the tree, the snowman, etc. the stuff INSIDE the globe or the outer tree lights. Nov 26 05:40:51 but that's not the problem Nov 26 05:40:53 it's the big image. Nov 26 05:41:01 There is NO problem at all with the teddy bear Nov 26 05:41:03 the app just runs Nov 26 05:41:06 even with the animations Nov 26 05:41:10 it's the photos. Nov 26 05:41:13 I need clipping. Nov 26 05:41:14 :-( Nov 26 05:41:29 yeah. that was lost in 131? Nov 26 05:41:31 Hmm... Nov 26 05:41:55 I thought they added something to get lower res images. I guess I dreamt that part. Nov 26 05:45:44 with default picture lunasysmgr is at 30% Nov 26 05:46:01 with my pre pix lunasysmgr is at 90% Nov 26 05:46:28 I'm definitely curious about all this now. Nov 26 05:46:40 Just having images on top of each other really shouldn't be that slow... Nov 26 05:46:49 But... Nov 26 05:47:34 try picking the picture but then .hide it Nov 26 05:47:55 just a thought Nov 26 05:52:04 but if I .hide it, uh then it isn't there. Nov 26 05:52:15 the problem is that http://developer.palm.com/palm-sdk/jsdoc/symbols/Mojo.FilePicker.html is undocumented... Nov 26 05:52:18 I think he's suggesting as a speed test Nov 26 05:52:22 and I've spent HUOURS AND HOURS Nov 26 05:52:23 oh Nov 26 05:52:26 I can do that Nov 26 05:52:30 one moment. Nov 26 05:52:39 but its still taking up space right? Nov 26 05:52:46 moment Nov 26 05:53:07 The crop {} doesn't work with 1.3.1, you're saying? Nov 26 05:54:20 You could crop the image with css styling... but I'm guessing it's the resolution not the size, so much. Nov 26 05:54:52 I wonder if you could try dropping it all into a canvas. Nov 26 05:55:11 Hmm.... wait a sec. That might not be crazy. Nov 26 05:55:36 You put it into the canvas, where you can stretch it to the size you need and then you don't need to worry about it, I bet. Nov 26 05:55:43 Even the other stuff doesn't need to go into the canvas. Nov 26 05:59:20 hidden works -- no lag Nov 26 05:59:42 it's the CALCULATING THE TRANSPARENCY of the snowflakes over the scaled giant image. Nov 26 05:59:42 ok, Nov 26 05:59:56 now that we've determined that, how do I get the scaled giant image into a canvas element? Nov 26 06:00:11 I thought image to canvas didn't work on the pre Nov 26 06:01:02 hi guys Nov 26 06:01:04 Image to canvas works great, or you'd have no canvas games at all Nov 26 06:01:10 image -from- canvas does not work. Nov 26 06:01:28 ahhh Nov 26 06:01:32 ok, docs? Nov 26 06:01:58 https://developer.mozilla.org/En/Canvas_tutorial/Using_images Nov 26 06:02:13 oh joy Nov 26 06:02:18 drawImage(image, x, y, width, height) Nov 26 06:02:35 Once you do that, it should be resampled and no problem to draw on top of Nov 26 06:02:46 And you should only have to do that once. Nov 26 06:03:41 wow and I thought I had an intense day! Nov 26 06:05:33 hey JenP.. do tell.. Nov 26 06:05:47 did you take the contract JenP? Nov 26 06:05:55 yes...and ....no Nov 26 06:06:17 yes they agreed to my terms....accepted my SOW...made the 10K deposit Nov 26 06:06:33 then when I got the data it was not in the format my SOW was written to... Nov 26 06:06:44 and would require another team member in... Nov 26 06:07:01 who would only work the holiday weekend for 10K Nov 26 06:07:22 life is like that isnt it? Nov 26 06:07:24 Crap, I'm in the wrong business. I don't get paid $10K for a weekend of work Nov 26 06:07:27 when i told the customer we would have to ammend the contract for this person...the guy got up set Nov 26 06:07:42 Roy...oh no...it was 28K for weekend work Nov 26 06:07:58 but Nov 26 06:08:02 If it's specialized enough, and you're good enough, i could see it Nov 26 06:08:17 the contract just felt like it was dooomed for failure... Nov 26 06:08:24 they didn't know what they wanted...just that they wanted it... Nov 26 06:08:45 after talking with Josh on the latest development we decided to decline the contract Nov 26 06:08:46 what they want should be managed by you.. Nov 26 06:09:07 Hopefully Rick_work is quiet because he's busy canvasing away. Nov 26 06:09:11 Dealing with customers is tough, even inter-company. No one ever knows what they want. Nov 26 06:09:13 bmyers problem is they're hiring me for THEIR deliverable Nov 26 06:09:31 and they haven't gotten clear definition from their customer on what that entails Nov 26 06:09:43 worse yet they got burned by another consultant bad Nov 26 06:09:47 JenP, don't you know? their vague deliverable is your problem ;) Nov 26 06:10:12 well I'm sorry. Did the deal fall thru? Nov 26 06:10:12 zsoc...oh i know...and usually i'm given 3 review cycles to make it work Nov 26 06:10:33 bmyers_here did fall through..i declined it. Nov 26 06:10:43 no money BUT also no stress Nov 26 06:10:53 10k Nov 26 06:10:53 JenP, just remember, no matter what it is, it's better than dealing with the lay public Nov 26 06:10:56 is alot of Nov 26 06:11:00 SHOES!!! :) Nov 26 06:11:05 this customer needed the finished product for Monday Nov 26 06:11:39 lol...i just had a bad feeling it would end badly... Nov 26 06:11:48 so i trusted my womans intuition on this one Nov 26 06:11:55 and got out while i could Nov 26 06:12:19 smart indeed Nov 26 06:12:21 otherwise...how was your day? Nov 26 06:12:31 yeah when u r looking up at your life boat, it's time to abandoned ship Nov 26 06:13:01 nk Nov 26 06:13:06 Roy-Pre101 I think it's going to work Nov 26 06:13:18 i was lucky enough to test snowglobe.. that was u too right? Nov 26 06:13:18 but I'm going to have to scale and clip the image into the canvas. Nov 26 06:13:37 Do I recall something about webOS canvas needing NINE parameters not EIGHT? Nov 26 06:13:57 yup Nov 26 06:13:58 Not sure. Nov 26 06:14:13 JenP we figured out why it was slow Nov 26 06:14:24 why? Nov 26 06:14:26 really REALLY figured it out Nov 26 06:14:34 smiles...great! Nov 26 06:14:36 because a photo from the phone is over 4000 px wide, Nov 26 06:14:42 and we want 320 px out of it Nov 26 06:14:47 generally scaled hard Nov 26 06:14:56 like scaled to 20% of original size Nov 26 06:15:04 yeah....i could see how that would make a difference Nov 26 06:15:26 and the system calclulating the transparency of the snowflakes over the dynamically scaled image takes for freaking ever Nov 26 06:15:31 will canvas help things out? Nov 26 06:15:35 should Nov 26 06:15:47 awesome! Nov 26 06:15:47 canvas actuallY SCALES AND CLIPS the image and then we just have pixels Nov 26 06:15:57 and it shoud be indistinguishable from the response with teddy bear Nov 26 06:16:02 well i now have a completely free weekend so let me know what i can do to help Nov 26 06:16:18 what are the parameters for the 9 parameter webos image to canvas? Nov 26 06:16:19 Rick_work oh that's great! Nov 26 06:17:24 so who has a pointer to the webos canvas tag description Nov 26 06:17:49 looking Nov 26 06:18:30 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1682 Nov 26 06:18:35 canvas tag support Nov 26 06:20:51 The 9-parameter drawImage is expecting Source X, Source Y, Source Width, Source Height, Destination X, Destination Y, Destination Width, Destination Height. What the webOS version of drawImage is expecting is Source X1, Source Y1, Source X2, Source Y2, Destination X1, Destination Y1, Destination X2, Destination Y2. Nov 26 06:21:19 I'm going to have to kill whoever invented ringtone advertising... Nov 26 06:21:28 It's just something that's going to have to be done. Nov 26 06:21:33 But you can use the other versions of drawimage safely. Nov 26 06:21:37 You will all thank me later. Nov 26 06:25:26 reality9110: I'll thank you now. Nov 26 06:53:57 Hey guess what! my apps in the app catalog! Nov 26 06:54:10 JenP: which one is it? Nov 26 06:54:16 debt free Nov 26 06:54:57 woot.. i got a handler ;D Nov 26 06:55:35 awesome dawm! Nov 26 06:55:58 but my icon looks weird...the transperancy didn't come over...so it has a white background Nov 26 07:00:37 can you update an icon? Nov 26 07:01:19 congrats Nov 26 07:01:45 did they make you change anything? Nov 26 07:01:59 good luck on the canvas stuff folks. Nov 26 07:02:03 nite Nov 26 07:02:14 not yet, just got the initial email telling me who my handler was Nov 26 07:02:53 Rubin..no Nov 26 07:03:01 they didn't even tell me it was published Nov 26 07:03:05 i just happened to look Nov 26 07:03:16 heh Nov 26 07:03:19 dawm who did you get? Nov 26 07:03:25 The icon got flattened along the way some how deleting the transparency info Nov 26 07:03:28 i submited my app back on the 13th but never heard anything, since then ive changed a ton of stuff so i resubmitted it tuesday Nov 26 07:03:29 Gloria Nov 26 07:03:33 wierd but not unheard of Nov 26 07:03:44 i have Gloria too! she's nice Nov 26 07:03:51 awesome Nov 26 07:03:59 i can't believe it went through so quickly! Nov 26 07:05:06 pandora! my app was published! Nov 26 07:05:19 congrats JenP Nov 26 07:05:27 thanks Rick_work! Nov 26 07:05:28