**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Nov 28 02:59:56 2009 Nov 28 03:00:25 Yes Nov 28 03:00:25 The darn thing doesn't work Nov 28 03:00:32 works for me Nov 28 03:00:40 Doesn't work for many Nov 28 03:01:09 what doesnt work Nov 28 03:01:25 i heard by default its setup to goto the device if plugged in rather than the emulator Nov 28 03:01:49 palm-install when installing to a device. Returns an error saying not enough disk space Nov 28 03:02:05 odd ive never encountered that Nov 28 03:02:46 Plenty of people have. Yet, Palm keeps giving the same advice. Yet, that advice, for all intents and purposes, is crap. Nov 28 03:02:46 weird reality. i had that problem (error) in eclipse Nov 28 03:02:53 but i hadnt updated my plugins for the IDE Nov 28 03:02:54 for 1.3.1 Nov 28 03:03:02 I'm not using eclipse. Nov 28 03:03:04 i use komodo Nov 28 03:03:08 And it doesn't work from command line either Nov 28 03:03:10 and sometimes commandline Nov 28 03:03:11 right, just saying thats the only time ive seen the error Nov 28 03:03:27 reality9110: are you talking about the jacked up way they handle the /var check before installing an app? Nov 28 03:03:42 sugardave: Beats me what they are doing Nov 28 03:03:45 or is there a new problem? Nov 28 03:04:08 Same problem I've been moaning about since the initial release of the 1.3.1 sdk Nov 28 03:04:24 I'm still having to use webos_quickinstall to get my apps installed Nov 28 03:04:32 hmmm....the only one I know about is the "too many apps" error when you install stuff Nov 28 03:04:40 and you have to use mvapp to fix it, etc. Nov 28 03:05:16 Well, I know I definitely don't have too many apps Nov 28 03:05:20 oh Nov 28 03:05:22 yeah Nov 28 03:05:24 me neither Nov 28 03:05:37 there's some magic number for var Nov 28 03:06:02 can't remember if it's "less than" free space or "more than" installed space, but if you are over/under it, you can't use palm-install Nov 28 03:06:08 i was at 71% when it refused to install Nov 28 03:06:34 I want to say if you have less than 100MB free on /var, it won't work Nov 28 03:07:18 I've got two apps installed... Nov 28 03:07:20 not sure what im doing wrong but port 222 nor 2222 works for me to ssh Nov 28 03:07:48 This really slows down development. Nov 28 03:08:20 akili: to what, the device or the emulator? Nov 28 03:08:29 emulator is 5522 Nov 28 03:08:32 device Nov 28 03:08:43 i can connect to emulator just fine Nov 28 03:08:50 oh Nov 28 03:08:58 is your device rooted? Nov 28 03:09:20 oh not since i swapped it lol Nov 28 03:09:23 good point Nov 28 03:09:25 heh Nov 28 03:09:30 its not enabled by default Nov 28 03:09:39 rather i dont think it even has ssh by default Nov 28 03:10:08 it doesn't Nov 28 03:10:15 i forgot. my screen stopped working on my previous phone and i got another one Nov 28 03:10:30 usb port failure? Nov 28 03:10:36 thats what killed my screen Nov 28 03:10:55 had to wedge items in the usb port to get it to work when it would cut out Nov 28 03:10:58 i dont think so Nov 28 03:11:12 my touchscreen stopped working Nov 28 03:11:23 like 2days after i put the screen protector on it Nov 28 03:11:55 i think mine was hardware failure Nov 28 03:12:24 ill bbl, gonna do some usability testing on my phone while watching tv comfortably on the bed Nov 28 03:13:04 later dawm Nov 28 03:13:06 anyway the sprint store didnt want to repair it or replace it but then i called sprint to complain and they sent me a new one the next day Nov 28 03:17:46 I would have made the sprint store replace it Nov 28 03:17:59 On the spot Nov 28 03:18:08 My wife made the discovery that her Pre didn't like swimming in coffee. Nov 28 03:19:13 I'll be making the switch to a higher quality device after completing this program. Nov 28 03:19:40 That particular store always gave me problems. It's the closest to my job but i was dumb to go there Nov 28 03:20:34 There's been one sprint employee that's given me a problem. Nov 28 03:21:02 We eventually saw..."eye to eye" to put it nicely Nov 28 03:21:12 lol Nov 28 03:23:02 Never mess with senior citizens Nov 28 03:29:37 FoxFireX: remove battery, wash well in distilled water, dry, put in bag of rice for a week. Nov 28 03:30:30 I think something got into the contacts for the LCD. Actually took it apart and sopped out some of the coffee. Already bought a replacement, so if I manage to get it working, it becomes my development test platform. Nov 28 03:31:28 Use drierite, not rice. Nov 28 03:31:55 rwhitby: why would you put it in rice _after_ distilled water? Certainly the distilled water / rubbing alcohol is more penetrating than the rice. I would do it in the other order Nov 28 03:32:12 The most important part is that you get the battery out ridiculously fast Nov 28 03:32:30 zsoc: I would assume the rice is for drying the thing Nov 28 03:33:09 reality9110: non-conductive liquid in theory drys water much better ;) Nov 28 03:33:33 Well, it's well past being actually wet any longer, and the device still works. Powers up, runs stuff, gestures are recognized, touchscreen works. Just no LCD image. Figuring something in the display itself got toastied. Nov 28 03:33:35 drierite dries all. Nov 28 03:33:49 Saw a couple of repair sites online, and emailed them, but neither has responded. Go figure. Nov 28 03:35:13 But as usual I'm probably wrong. I need to stop thinking I actually know how things work Nov 28 03:43:06 How do you detect your stage has been closed? Nov 28 03:43:16 Is there a cleanup for the stage assistant? Nov 28 03:43:40 boy i wish i knew Nov 28 03:43:56 * zsoc prefers to make api's than to find them Nov 28 03:44:05 although i admit, finding a particularly useful one is hella awesome Nov 28 03:46:30 is dawm still here? Nov 28 03:47:20 yes Nov 28 03:47:43 you pinged me a while back Nov 28 03:48:04 yeh, 1 sec tho, chasing a bug Nov 28 03:48:23 Roy-Pre101: don't kill yourself, i suppose i could set a timeout in the service... it's just not very efficient Nov 28 03:49:02 zsoc: It shouldn't be an issue. I'm just trying to find the right place to hook in for the card closed. Nov 28 03:49:25 Roy-Pre101: it's probably obvious, but undocumented, like everything else mojo related :P Nov 28 03:52:55 anyone else typing from their pre or pixi? Nov 28 03:53:08 24/7 Nov 28 03:53:59 any chance well see a v. keyboard implemented by palm Nov 28 03:54:38 jon256402: Who can say? Try the homebrew one if you want one now. Nov 28 03:55:14 gah why wont this game end.. Nov 28 03:55:21 I am..its a little rugged Nov 28 03:57:04 dawm: still waiting.. Nov 28 03:57:26 yeah i was gonna see if you wanted to test this out, but i found a bug i gotta fix Nov 28 03:57:28 what's the legality of creating an app that accesses public info from a website Nov 28 03:58:10 jon256402: Generally legal, may violate the terms of service of the site. Read the site's ToS. Nov 28 03:58:18 IANAL Nov 28 03:58:41 thanks Nov 28 04:26:51 ok this is seriously frustrating.. Nov 28 04:27:19 i wish there was a way to just watch a variable.. ive got one tahts magically changing its value for no reason Nov 28 04:28:34 dawm: There's always a reason. Nov 28 04:29:21 Check for assignment instead of comparison. That's a common one. Nov 28 04:29:22 is it changing its value or changing its scope? Nov 28 04:29:34 Scope is another common one Nov 28 04:29:46 its only assigned in one place, then value is saved to a cookie Nov 28 04:29:47 bmyers__: Did you do a multi-stage app? Nov 28 04:29:58 when i retrieve that value from the cookie its magically different than when saved Nov 28 04:30:01 dawm: My guess is that you have a little elf inside your app, and he's pissed about how little santa is paying him, so he wants to express his anger, which he is doing by changing variables Nov 28 04:30:08 i've had that happen to me Nov 28 04:30:27 brb Nov 28 04:30:31 dawm: Are you sure it was saved? No exceptions thrown? Nov 28 04:30:36 does js pass by reference? if so how do i stop this Nov 28 04:30:41 none, its saved Nov 28 04:30:51 the bug only happens when the game ends and i try to load a save Nov 28 04:31:27 the save ends up being the last stage which has no moves, even tho i saved it way at the beginning and the cookie was never updated after the initial save Nov 28 04:31:57 I think you need to check some of those assumptions. Nov 28 04:44:36 hi all! Nov 28 04:48:13 Woo Nov 28 04:54:10 * kesne bbl, only avalible on gtalk Nov 28 05:00:24 hi JenP Nov 28 05:00:55 hey bmyers how's it going? Nov 28 05:00:55 ok. go shopping today did u? Nov 28 05:01:10 no I was a good girl. I stayed home Nov 28 05:01:29 i'm so proud of myself...such restraint...LOL Nov 28 05:01:39 you? Nov 28 05:01:48 didnt ask if u stayed home.. did you shop online instead? Nov 28 05:02:11 ;0 Nov 28 05:02:24 lol....nope. Nov 28 05:02:41 i almost did...but again...such restraint Nov 28 05:02:47 i spent a quiet day of coding. Nov 28 05:02:52 soo proud of myself Nov 28 05:02:52 no interuptions from clients.. Nov 28 05:02:55 nice Nov 28 05:02:58 ohhh very nice Nov 28 05:03:20 going out to the malls on black friday is like going out drinking on new years eve Nov 28 05:03:39 i did it last year...even went with cash only Nov 28 05:03:51 spent a few thou....so i decided to stay home Nov 28 05:03:52 safer Nov 28 05:04:03 ya..i'd say so.. Nov 28 05:04:07 lol Nov 28 05:04:21 in fairness I did have two teenage girls with me Nov 28 05:04:34 that'll do it Nov 28 05:04:41 yep Nov 28 05:04:44 they know where to shop Nov 28 05:04:47 what did you code? Nov 28 05:05:01 my "get rich very very slowly" app Nov 28 05:05:02 smiles...they know how to shop too! I mean put me to shame Nov 28 05:05:07 lol Nov 28 05:05:13 which app is that? Nov 28 05:05:25 it's a biz app.. getting close to "done" Nov 28 05:05:35 but u know how that goes.. Nov 28 05:05:40 that's great! Nov 28 05:05:56 i should try the game thing but I'm too DOM Nov 28 05:06:06 lol Nov 28 05:06:21 i know what you mean...i want to try to do a game...but have no idea how... Nov 28 05:06:43 i dont know what game to do.. Nov 28 05:06:53 looks at popular iphone apps i suppose and get an idea Nov 28 05:07:04 have you seen the wobble words game? Nov 28 05:07:12 i'm so impressed at how clean it is Nov 28 05:07:35 on pre u mean? Nov 28 05:07:44 bmyers once the flash app comes out games will take off Nov 28 05:07:47 yeah the pre game Nov 28 05:08:07 I really like the developers approach Nov 28 05:08:08 yeah i'm all turning blue wait'n for flash.. Nov 28 05:08:13 lol Nov 28 05:08:30 i think i had seen it out there. have not tried wobble words Nov 28 05:08:49 i like preopoly. Nov 28 05:08:58 but i suck at it Nov 28 05:09:12 i bought it...totally worth the money. and you can tell the developer put thought into it instead of throwing something together quickly Nov 28 05:09:19 haven't tried preopoly Nov 28 05:09:40 bring back memories of sucking at monopoly in my childhood Nov 28 05:09:48 lol Nov 28 05:10:04 fun tho Nov 28 05:10:14 coool i'll look it up' Nov 28 05:10:18 freebie Nov 28 05:10:46 the client i turned down yesterday.... Nov 28 05:10:52 yes.... Nov 28 05:10:53 couldn't take no for an answer Nov 28 05:10:59 it was very very weird Nov 28 05:11:01 i love those kind.. Nov 28 05:11:11 they hemerage $$? Nov 28 05:11:13 i've never had to be so utterly crystal clear Nov 28 05:11:26 oh yeah offered $ for crisis management Nov 28 05:11:32 when I told them no Nov 28 05:11:44 they then wanted me to still fly out and give training Nov 28 05:11:57 and i felt bad. Nov 28 05:11:58 fly to where? Nov 28 05:12:01 florida Nov 28 05:12:23 but in all honesty with their time constraint there would be no way for me to deliver a well put together product Nov 28 05:12:33 the vp said he didn't blame me Nov 28 05:12:40 yeah thats too bad.. Nov 28 05:12:47 it really is.. Nov 28 05:12:51 sorry it didnt work out for ya Nov 28 05:13:04 they got hosed over bad from another consultant and needed me to clean up the wreckage Nov 28 05:13:04 must be something better waiting for you out there Nov 28 05:13:09 lol Nov 28 05:13:17 i get more work that way.... Nov 28 05:13:27 i'm not worried about it...I was gonna do it as a favor to the other consultant Nov 28 05:13:53 i'm a sucker for sob stories Nov 28 05:14:12 thank god Josh is my reality check Nov 28 05:14:32 otherwise i'd probably have just about killed myself trying to make it happen Nov 28 05:14:32 Josh here is? Josh? Nov 28 05:14:39 lol Nov 28 05:15:24 whats Joshs handle here? Nov 28 05:15:31 sinacism Nov 28 05:15:41 ah.. Nov 28 05:15:55 he's not on tonight...working. Nov 28 05:16:38 how's the boating? Nov 28 05:16:46 me? Nov 28 05:16:49 yep Nov 28 05:16:55 don't you sail? Nov 28 05:17:00 or something like that Nov 28 05:17:01 yes Nov 28 05:17:14 sailing is done for the year. Evermoor is on the hard.. Nov 28 05:17:28 (means its out of the water) Nov 28 05:17:30 :-d what's "Evermoor" Nov 28 05:17:34 ohhhhhh Nov 28 05:17:35 lol Nov 28 05:17:36 my sailboat Nov 28 05:17:49 so where do you sail in AZ? Nov 28 05:18:10 i am in NY now. moved from az last year.. Nov 28 05:18:34 had a power boat in az.. Nov 28 05:18:34 oh that's nice Nov 28 05:18:34 that was fun too. Nov 28 05:18:34 i've never been to NY Nov 28 05:18:36 now i sail in the hudson river Nov 28 05:18:48 u'd love the shopping on 5th ave.. Nov 28 05:18:52 really want to go someday...visit the sites.. Nov 28 05:19:03 I'm sure I would Nov 28 05:19:15 so what do you do out in NY? Nov 28 05:19:48 consulting. self employed stay at home dad.. Nov 28 05:19:56 Oh too cool! how olds the kids? Nov 28 05:20:10 girl 4 boy 6 Nov 28 05:20:26 oh that's such a great age Nov 28 05:20:38 AKA girl "NO" and boy "Why?" Nov 28 05:20:46 my daughter's now smarter then me Nov 28 05:20:47 lol Nov 28 05:21:15 i have a 17 yr old Josh has a 12 both girls Nov 28 05:21:28 wow. yeah i got started late.. Nov 28 05:22:00 lol I got started early. I had a plan...get married young...have kid...kid goes to college...and I'm just hitting 40 Nov 28 05:22:14 my wife and i decided to have a little fun first and do the selfish europe thing. etc.. Nov 28 05:22:25 yup...it all sounded good at the time Nov 28 05:22:41 lol i did it with mine in tow. Nov 28 05:22:48 but i want to go back now on my own Nov 28 05:22:51 ick.. Nov 28 05:23:27 lol it wasn't too bad..kids are incredible...just how they perceive things... Nov 28 05:23:52 yup.. Nov 28 05:24:07 all things must be atomically equal or theres hell to pay.. Nov 28 05:24:16 but idk how i could handle it now...career & little one don't mix Nov 28 05:24:39 hehehhe the little narcists... Nov 28 05:24:48 it's hard to program in 20 minute increments but i try.. Nov 28 05:24:53 lol Nov 28 05:24:57 one reason why my program is taking so long.. Nov 28 05:25:12 you and roy have that in common Nov 28 05:25:34 yeah but he gets shit done though.. :) Nov 28 05:25:55 LOL we'll have to get his secret Nov 28 05:26:08 monster jolt cola? Nov 28 05:26:37 or is he on the meth project too? Nov 28 05:26:45 lol... Nov 28 05:27:30 what r u cooking up next now that your app is in the appcat? Nov 28 05:28:06 idk to be honest Nov 28 05:28:06 there are a lot of things i want to do to improve that app Nov 28 05:28:16 based on user feedback? Nov 28 05:28:28 both...but more on just what i want it to do Nov 28 05:29:02 i really want to do a shopping list app... Nov 28 05:29:06 a simple one Nov 28 05:29:19 i think people make things way to complex sometimes Nov 28 05:29:32 isnt there one just released? Nov 28 05:29:41 there are a few...but i don't like them Nov 28 05:29:46 christmas shopping something or other.. Nov 28 05:29:55 the developers tried to shove all the bells and whistles in Nov 28 05:30:13 got too much mojo going on? Nov 28 05:30:19 it shouldn't take me more then 3 clicks to get to where I need to go Nov 28 05:30:40 i get what they were trying to do. & I respect it Nov 28 05:31:03 but.. Nov 28 05:31:18 but from my perspective...i don't have time to go through the whole thing just to get a list Nov 28 05:31:31 i'm simple. Nov 28 05:31:36 kiss Nov 28 05:32:10 and the moments i actually remember i have to buy something are usually in a meeting...so i'm trying to sneak getting it down before i forget Nov 28 05:32:35 the two apps up there are for...and don't get me wrong...people who have wayyyy more time on their hands then i do Nov 28 05:33:09 yeah, keep it simple. Nov 28 05:33:41 totally Nov 28 05:33:43 it's hard to tell sometime if your making somethig easier or harder to access too many ways. Nov 28 05:33:52 exactly... Nov 28 05:34:11 like my little calculator is just that.... Nov 28 05:34:21 there's this debt calc up that looks way complex Nov 28 05:34:45 (getting paranoid I made thing too complex.) Nov 28 05:34:52 nooo i'm sorry Nov 28 05:34:58 i'm just one girl Nov 28 05:35:33 do u work with boatright? Nov 28 05:35:42 yes Nov 28 05:35:59 more like i'm his cheer leader ...lol Nov 28 05:36:04 right right.. Nov 28 05:36:23 i coordinate the art between him and Josh...and i do the web stuff...help stuff. Nov 28 05:36:27 that stuff Nov 28 05:36:42 rick's the real master mind...incredibly smart Nov 28 05:37:24 he is.. Nov 28 05:38:13 you went to the palm shindig too? Nov 28 05:38:17 he's cool too...he puts up with all my trival questions Nov 28 05:38:21 no i didn't Nov 28 05:38:34 i was down here working...did you go? Nov 28 05:38:53 no i didnt.. bad timing for me.. Nov 28 05:39:05 now that i totally understand Nov 28 05:39:35 ? Nov 28 05:39:42 ohh.. Nov 28 05:39:46 yeah. Nov 28 05:40:06 i do gov't work...this time of year is rough...lots of really long hours Nov 28 05:40:19 lot's of stress... Nov 28 05:40:29 well heck...that clients a good example of it Nov 28 05:40:40 i guess huh? Nov 28 05:43:37 so honestly.. i have no idea wtf was going on.. but its fixed now Nov 28 05:43:39 ugh Nov 28 05:43:54 lol well that's great it's fixed Nov 28 05:44:37 the var problem? Nov 28 05:44:43 yeh Nov 28 05:44:58 no matter what i tried, the var kept updating itself Nov 28 05:45:04 but u dont know how? Nov 28 05:45:30 heh nope Nov 28 05:45:52 it would only do it when the score was saved, so i moved the score tracking to its own cookie Nov 28 05:46:33 weird.. Nov 28 05:46:39 your telling me Nov 28 05:47:11 i think the var was getting pass by reference but i honestly couldnt figure out how to make it not Nov 28 05:47:42 in js u really cant tho right? Nov 28 05:47:55 tahts what im guessing Nov 28 05:48:22 you cant deep copy an object to another without doing it yourself, manually Nov 28 05:48:22 cause there was only 1 call to set the var then store it in a cookie Nov 28 05:48:56 so as a check, i pulled the data from the cookie and compared it to the var and it was different (cookie was correct, var was wrong) Nov 28 05:49:49 Rubin: what would that look like? Nov 28 05:49:49 oh well its fixed, thats all that matters Nov 28 05:50:11 a big ole nasty for loop nested in itself prolly Nov 28 05:52:57 bmyers: if its an object, you'd use 'new' to make a new one, and then set every base item (such as strings and ints) one by one to the new object Nov 28 05:52:59 iirc Nov 28 05:53:42 ok so. I'm using showAlertDialog() for the first time.. and when i select an option, it looks like it is doing what its supposed to... but the dialog doesnt go away. Do you have to manually pop it or something? Nov 28 05:55:33 nope Nov 28 05:56:25 why doesn't it go away? Nov 28 05:56:52 pastebin your code Nov 28 05:57:08 the showAlertDialog code Nov 28 05:57:27 http://pastebin.ca/1690724 Nov 28 05:58:33 looks correct Nov 28 05:58:48 only difference from mine is i use this.controller instead of Mojo.controller Nov 28 05:58:56 i must be doing something somewhere elese thats removing the default handler Nov 28 05:59:07 er Nov 28 05:59:34 oh. weird. my clipboard malfunctioned, thats not completely current code Nov 28 05:59:37 1 sec Nov 28 06:00:17 http://pastebin.ca/1690726 Nov 28 06:00:28 basically the same, but this.controller is correct Nov 28 06:01:18 must be something in your tab. functions thats holding things up Nov 28 06:01:37 nah cos "Cancel" doesnt call any of those, and that doesnt close the dialog either Nov 28 06:02:13 i bet i have an event handler registered somewhere thats getting in the way Nov 28 06:02:42 heres a simple one of mine, almost the same Nov 28 06:02:43 http://pastebin.ca/1690729 Nov 28 06:03:21 oops that // save score shouldt even be there heh Nov 28 06:03:30 weird thing is.. if i do a back (esc) it closes, and then the underlying page also registers the back command Nov 28 06:03:54 if you put in preventCancel: true, that will prevent that Nov 28 06:04:20 no no, i mean. the dialog closes, thats ok Nov 28 06:04:29 but THEN the page that opened it also closes, so it saw the back too.. Nov 28 06:04:33 something weird going on Nov 28 06:06:35 Roy-Pre101, i found out what that thin line in the submenu is from.. its another menu item.. but i dont see where its set.. its basically just a blank item Nov 28 06:14:19 ooh Nov 28 06:14:21 interesting Nov 28 06:14:32 ohh. i figured it out dawm: i was binding to the results of the function instead of itself. ie i was doing tab.reconnect().bind.. instead of tab.reconnect.bind... Nov 28 06:14:45 see it was in those functions like i said :P Nov 28 06:14:56 indeed Nov 28 06:14:57 palm-show-app-menu programically makes the appmenu appear Nov 28 06:15:08 if you set that to a button or whatever as a command: Nov 28 07:15:14 this channel is dead quite often, no? Nov 28 07:15:28 you know what it is, it's because I leave Nov 28 07:15:35 whenever I leave, boom, it's dead Nov 28 07:15:48 and it takes people a while to realize im here Nov 28 07:16:05 JenP: where do you live? Seems you always come on at a later hour by my clock Nov 28 07:16:21 san diego..you? Nov 28 07:16:27 CA Nov 28 07:16:35 oh Nov 28 07:16:43 I reside in Portland, Oregon. Nov 28 07:16:53 That place that nobody gives a shit about? Nov 28 07:16:57 well hi west coast Nov 28 07:17:06 lol i like oregon was considering moving there Nov 28 07:17:20 but you didnt :P Nov 28 07:17:33 LOL...YET Nov 28 07:18:24 kesne: no, i think everyone leaves whenever you show up Nov 28 07:18:41 no, it was active earlier today Nov 28 07:18:57 I think the issue is my ego takes up so much room in this IRC room Nov 28 07:19:17 LMAO that's totally it Nov 28 07:19:34 yeah, thats it Nov 28 07:20:38 hehe Nov 28 07:20:44 but everyone loves me Nov 28 07:21:13 sure you keep telling yourself that... Nov 28 07:21:20 whatever helps you sleep at night Nov 28 07:21:28 psh Nov 28 07:21:34 lol Nov 28 07:21:40 I'd like to think that people don't hate me Nov 28 07:21:56 i'm sure they don't Nov 28 07:22:32 Some people even like me Nov 28 07:22:33 anyway Nov 28 07:22:35 anyway, i better go sleep. its 2:30 am here Nov 28 07:22:36 it's late Nov 28 07:22:43 g'nite Nov 28 07:22:43 It's 11:22 here Nov 28 07:22:53 and unlike most people int his room, I have a life Nov 28 07:23:01 which means waking up and doing things :P Nov 28 07:23:04 kesne: of course you do Nov 28 07:23:09 yup i've got to go too.. gotta get up at 4am to work out Nov 28 07:23:17 nah I'm just kidding Nov 28 07:23:18 life? psh Nov 28 07:23:24 Who needs one? Nov 28 07:23:34 Girlfriends take up too much time to have a life Nov 28 07:23:38 kesne---> life=virtual life Nov 28 07:23:48 virtual girlfriend? Nov 28 07:24:33 yeah, but girlfriends are awesome Nov 28 07:24:42 no, a real girlfriend Nov 28 07:24:49 I'm really a nice guy in person Nov 28 07:24:54 I tone my ego down Nov 28 07:25:07 I'm a "cute kid" Nov 28 07:25:12 smiles...k guys i'm heading to bed. talk to you tomorrow Nov 28 07:25:19 night Nov 28 07:25:39 Where is my meth? Nov 28 07:25:54 * kesne is gone, looking for his meth. Or sleeping, one of the two. Nov 28 07:26:24 lol, night all Nov 28 07:48:47 Meh? Nov 28 08:24:37 i tossed up a new build of Pound if anyone wants to try it out https://sourceforge.net/projects/pound/ Nov 28 08:24:50 its attaining a somewhat usable state Nov 28 08:29:40 Rubin: BTW, 'root' your phone is a nonsensical statement. You can install advanced homebrew without ever logging into the phone as root. Nov 28 08:30:34 thats not exactly true Nov 28 08:30:51 Rubin: actually, it's precisely true. Nov 28 08:31:15 using a windows app to connect over novaterm and add things to init is root by any reasonable standards Nov 28 08:31:52 but it's not 'root'ing your phone. Nov 28 08:32:05 your phone already has a root account, and Palm provides the tools and instructions on how to use it. Nov 28 08:32:15 just because its not locked, doesnt mean you arent using root Nov 28 08:32:41 it would be more accurate to say "without needing to install custom services" Nov 28 08:32:45 if sites like precentral change to using a different terminology, then I will. Nov 28 08:33:05 the custom services term doesnt work either, because its possible to run 'services' using only palms api too. Nov 28 08:33:49 i agree its a bit misleading, but it seems to be what everyone has settled on to have that understanding Nov 28 08:33:50 how so? Nov 28 08:34:24 no, it's the term that was used at the beginning of homebrew when you really *did* need to log in a root and know linux commands to do stuff. Nov 28 08:34:33 http://developer.palm.com/palm-sdk/jsdoc/symbols/Mojo.Service.html Nov 28 08:35:01 now it's only used by those who want to perpetuate the fearmongering against homebrew (I'm not including you in that generalisation) Nov 28 08:35:51 its come to have a general language meaning (mostly due to iphone) of installing software or making changes outside the carriers intent. ie hacking (but of coures THAT term is now ruined so we cant say THAT) Nov 28 08:36:00 Rubin: custom service is precisely the right term then. Nov 28 08:36:08 you can either call official services, or custom services. Nov 28 08:36:09 no Nov 28 08:36:14 Palm provides the official services. Nov 28 08:36:45 if you had a conversation with my wife or father, (who both have pdaphones) and tell them an app requires rooting, or an app requires a 'custom service'. the 1st would be understood, and the 2nd not. Nov 28 08:36:57 you're saying there is a way for a webos developer to provide a new service that is not already installed on the device by Palm? Nov 28 08:37:23 no, the 1st would make them think that they are doing something illegal or something that Palm actively tries to prevent Nov 28 08:37:45 i think you can make apps which have no window Nov 28 08:38:03 Those are not services. they are headless app with launch parameters Nov 28 08:38:26 the description is for laypeople not for coders. Nov 28 08:38:39 there is no difference between a Palm official service and a custom service, other than Palm wrote one and not the other. Nov 28 08:38:52 there is a huge difference when it comes to my deciding to put one on my phone Nov 28 08:39:04 saying 'root' your phone makes people believe that one is somehow inherently less safe than they other. Nov 28 08:39:13 it _IS_ Nov 28 08:39:30 its not official. its not supported. its not guaranteed Nov 28 08:39:51 people break after updates, if theres problems you cant tell if its that causing it.. Nov 28 08:40:00 supported and safety are two different concepts Nov 28 08:40:24 'doesn't require the installation of unsupported services' would be a perfectly fine thing to say Nov 28 08:40:51 there are some apps which require root that don't install services Nov 28 08:40:56 'unsupported' is something that your wife or father would understand much better than 'root'ing Nov 28 08:41:05 i'm thinking of plugins or patches Nov 28 08:41:42 unsupported plugins are basically the same as unsupported services Nov 28 08:42:24 patches, of course, are a whole different category altogether. Nov 28 08:42:36 in my mind though, when looking at a list of apps Nov 28 08:43:34 if one uses only the palm api, and one requires any other modification, thats an important difference. and I cant think of any better way to indicate one way vs the other. Nov 28 08:44:03 its like running in a jail or not Nov 28 08:44:13 I agree with the distinction completely. the only thing I disagree with is the term 'root'ing your phone to describe it. Nov 28 08:44:41 i dont like it either. but 'custom services and/or patches and/or plugins' is not a better way to say it either. Nov 28 08:44:50 but it's clear I'm not going to convince you, so we can agree to disagree :-) Nov 28 08:45:57 indeed :) Nov 28 08:45:59 I think "allowing you to IRC on your Pre WITHOUT requiring that you install an unofficial custom service on your phone." conveys it quite clearly Nov 28 08:46:45 i'm used to precentral's homebrew list Nov 28 08:46:53 and 'requires root' is how they say it Nov 28 08:47:26 yep, but that doesn't make it right. Nov 28 08:48:06 and even Dieter agrees that it doesn't describe the current situation well any more. Nov 28 08:48:30 i'm happy to switch to something else if it ever becomes standard lingo Nov 28 08:54:40 it's a sad day when the terminology used by open source developers on sourceforge.net is dictated by PreCentral .. ;-) Nov 28 08:56:11 Rubin: anyway, i genuinely wish you well with the app - is it destined for the app catalog ? Nov 28 08:56:33 maybe some day Nov 28 08:56:51 i mainly started it for myself (before wirc) Nov 28 08:57:43 even the new easier system for getting opensource apps into the catalog is kind of a huge pain in the ass to go through for free Nov 28 08:57:50 how does it compare functionality and performance-wise from your point of view? Nov 28 08:58:33 I figure IRC is asynchronous enough that any latency won't matter too much. Nov 28 08:58:56 yeah .. mine only polls every 2 seconds right now Nov 28 08:59:23 i intended that as a kind of temporary thing (eventually would like to have it back off automatically from short to long based on activity) Nov 28 08:59:28 a comparison of battery usage over extended periods will be interesting Nov 28 08:59:30 but its so un-noticible that i havn't bothered Nov 28 09:00:07 yeah. thats a big deal. mine could poll as infrequently as 30 seconds, i think.. though thats somewhat dependent on the irc network Nov 28 09:00:20 but i dont really understand how the pre decides when to go to sleep Nov 28 09:00:41 i'd say right now its not feasible to leave it running when your not using it Nov 28 09:01:07 but i find thats true with palms own IM client too. Nov 28 09:01:28 as far as I know, apps can delay sleeping in general, and set alarms for wake-ups, and that's about it Nov 28 09:02:07 but if you set an alarm to wake every 30 seconds, will the phone go to sleep again right after? or does it wait 2 minutes or whatever Nov 28 09:03:38 that I don't know Nov 28 09:04:38 i'd love an irc app that ran all the time and notified me when someone said my name. but i think that would require a real seperate service running somewhere besides the phone Nov 28 09:05:08 there is xmpp on the phone Nov 28 09:05:36 maybe if you were able to somehow hook up to that and have a pubsub service to give you a notification when someone sez your name Nov 28 09:05:56 problem there is, you have to have buy-in from each irc network to add the servers host as trusted so the clients hostnames can be forged. (like mibbit did) Nov 28 09:06:17 maybe some kind of cooperative thing with mibbit would make it possible Nov 28 09:06:54 but then mibbit isn't open source so i decided not to use them Nov 28 09:12:47 looks like only afternet/freenode/quakenet are working right now Nov 28 13:03:25 how can I backup my contacts= Nov 28 13:36:01 I think they back up to Palm site natively, but, it's only for restore at the store if you lose/break your phone - you cannot edit/view them there Nov 28 13:37:00 If you use google contacts they will push down to the phone and up from the phone, but I don't know how to merge your google contacts with the ones existing on the phone already. On the phone they show up together, but not back on google contacts Nov 28 13:37:16 I'll let someone else answer in case there is any Outlook method Nov 28 13:38:36 oh, he left the channel Nov 28 14:34:22 is there a general palm pre channel? Nov 28 14:37:23 I'm getting 'app catalog unavailable' all the time.. anyone know a fix? Nov 28 15:49:11 anyone up? Nov 28 15:53:59 Up where? Nov 28 16:17:58 mornin Nov 28 16:33:01 Sup Nov 28 16:54:21 interesting design Nov 28 16:54:22 http://jalopnik.com/5381382/drive+through-auto-museum Nov 28 17:14:39 I'm not able to install using palm-install.bat on my Pre, installing through AppCatalog works fine Nov 28 17:14:51 no error from palm-install.bat Nov 28 17:17:18 i hear its apparently a common issue, altho i havent experienced it Nov 28 17:17:53 failed to get path details: /media/internal/developer_tmp_dir_de.metaviewsoft.... Nov 28 17:20:08 how can I fix it? Nov 28 17:20:16 does anyone have an example of a simple timer Nov 28 17:20:39 like a countdown 10 - 0 Nov 28 17:20:58 in seconds :) Nov 28 17:21:33 setTimer() Nov 28 17:21:48 in the timer callback you call setTimer again and count down Nov 28 17:34:17 how come when i search developer.palm.com for setTimer() nothing comes back Nov 28 17:40:03 its not a mojo feature its normal javascript Nov 28 17:40:04 http://www.w3schools.com/js/js_timing.asp Nov 28 17:41:01 i use setTimeout and clearTimeout for my game timer Nov 28 17:41:30 ok that is the way im doing it.. Nov 28 17:42:23 i can dig out a sample of how i do it if ya want Nov 28 17:42:24 i guess my problem is i need to stop the timer when the stage is no longer active Nov 28 17:42:43 you just stop the timer and store the time left in a var Nov 28 17:42:52 then when you want to unpause, restart the timer with that var Nov 28 17:43:10 k... i'll try that Nov 28 17:47:50 ok, bac kto my pre: how can I fix my "nothing installable using palm-install.bat" problem? Nov 28 17:54:10 especially: is it a device problem or a novacom problem Nov 28 18:12:45 hi all! Nov 28 18:12:49 bmyers are you there? Nov 28 18:37:42 kesne is in the building! Nov 28 18:39:23 Metaview did you find your answer Nov 28 18:40:12 anyone know Depot at all? My object when I read it only shows [object Object] ... it's supposed to be three numbers, i guess I have to convert it back to string some how ? Nov 28 18:42:24 you can use Object.toJSON(obj); to convert it to a string Nov 28 18:44:22 dawm: thanks I'll try that Nov 28 18:48:39 dawm: you in here? Nov 28 18:48:44 yeh Nov 28 18:48:46 or is it dawm_ now? Nov 28 18:48:47 AH Nov 28 18:48:57 underscores AGAIN? Nov 28 18:48:59 boxee tried to suspend my computer Nov 28 18:49:03 so the network dropped Nov 28 18:50:17 thank you Nov 28 18:50:22 hey hey hey, guess what? Nov 28 18:50:25 ? Nov 28 18:50:55 Someone just left a message on the Keen Studios number Nov 28 18:51:03 demanding a refund Nov 28 18:54:07 lol Nov 28 18:54:26 any reason why? Nov 28 19:04:57 FreeTim3: no, didn't find an answer Nov 28 19:16:34 reason: the app "sucks balls" Nov 28 19:28:07 lol nice Nov 28 19:45:24 hey guys what app do I use to backup my contacts? Nov 28 19:45:35 I want to switch from sprint to o2 firmware Nov 28 19:47:12 i dunno, i dont trust the palm profile backup, so i manually put all my contacts in my gmail, so theres no chance id ever lose them Nov 28 20:13:30 Hey everybody Nov 28 20:14:09 Can I write a file through the Mojo-API ? Nov 28 20:15:12 no Nov 28 20:20:53 I would like to log the ResponseText I get back from an Ajax-Request. If I do this with Mojo.log-info() nothing is printed. How di I see, what I am getting back. I already wrote the response into a Textfield, but as its very long its really tough to handle! Any ideas? Nov 28 20:24:11 Mojo.Log.error Nov 28 20:27:23 hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Nov 28 20:30:21 Have a question about Depot. Is it possible to enumerate objects in a database? Nov 28 20:33:52 why not use a real DB? Nov 28 20:34:06 Such as….what? Nov 28 20:34:09 SELECT COUNT(*) FROM table Nov 28 20:34:18 the real DB interface Nov 28 20:34:43 How do you do that? Nov 28 20:35:29 gblMapDB = openDatabase("ext:myMapDB", "1.0", "MyMaps", "10000"); Nov 28 20:36:02 http://www.metaviewsoft.de/PUM-2009/Programmieren%20unter%20WebOS.ppt it's in German, but you will find it Nov 28 20:37:45 Interesting. Is this allowable for an app-store app? Nov 28 20:38:32 Hmmmm, if I log my responseText with Mojo.Log.error it just logs nothing! :-( Nov 28 20:39:03 Even if I do a Mojo.Log.error("Text:" +event.responseText) it does not log Text: Nov 28 20:39:41 If I just do a Mojo.Log.error("Text"); I get at least the "Text" output, so logging in general does work Nov 28 20:39:41 Do you have a framework_config.js with a logLevel set? Nov 28 20:39:49 Yep, I have! Nov 28 20:40:28 It looks like if the responseText somehow breaks the Logger Nov 28 20:48:42 JasonLP: yes, it's allowed Nov 28 20:49:18 Thanks, I'll check it out. Nov 28 21:10:28 Any idea, how to read a cookie that is returned with the Ajax-Response? Nov 28 21:20:53 am i in? Nov 28 21:21:03 Looks like it. Nov 28 21:21:54 crappy internet cable day... Nov 28 21:22:07 anyone good with viewmenus? Nov 28 21:22:32 i have it working but i'm trying to get a little more info about the event Nov 28 22:12:02 Hey everyone. Anyone have a code snippet to show me how to set the scroll mode of one of my scenes to "free"? I'm not smart enough to decode the docs here http://developer.palm.com/palm-sdk/jsdoc/symbols/Mojo.Widget.html#.Scroller Nov 28 22:14:17 this.controller.setupWidget("myScroller", this.attributes = { }, this.model = { scrollbars: true, mode: "free" }); Nov 28 22:15:28 mv: Thanks. Am I right to assume that "myScroller" should be the div that wraps the largest part of my scene? Nov 28 22:16:52 no Nov 28 22:17:06 it's the scroller div Nov 28 22:17:13
Nov 28 22:17:31 in this is another div Nov 28 22:17:37
Nov 28 22:17:42 Nov 28 22:18:10 That's it. Working now. Nov 28 22:18:17 Thanks a lot. That saved me hours! Nov 28 22:19:29 you're welcome Nov 28 22:36:01 how does one get get his app in the featured section of the app catalog? Nov 28 22:50:33 edektor: They indicated in the docs that there is going to be a bidding system for it. I haven't seen anything about that yet so I'm not sure what apps are being featured there now. Nov 28 22:51:00 yeah I read that too. so its just random right now? Nov 28 22:52:10 not sure Nov 28 22:52:17 let's hope so Nov 28 23:07:26 Idk if the interest in the need for speed app has passed, but here is an excellent expose on it: http://themxweb.com/2009/11/28/need-for-hoaxes-most-wanted/ Nov 28 23:21:21 kmax13: Not to be pedantic but Pre has a bar over the e not an accent. Pré would be pronounced Pray. Nov 28 23:23:57 kmax14: Were you bounced? Nov 28 23:24:37 Roy-Pre101: no, the switch between tethering and my home wifi Nov 28 23:24:43 Ah. Nov 28 23:26:20 argh, utf8... Nov 28 23:29:10 I've got another Scroller question. I've got a nice large wrapper div (1000px x 1000px) inside the scroller div. It scrolls fine horizontally, but snaps back vertically instead of letting me scroll the whole height. I'm confused. Nov 28 23:30:20 sounds known, wait Nov 28 23:30:40 this.controller.get("myScroller").setStyle({ height: this.controller.window.innerHeight + "px"}); Nov 28 23:30:40 this.controller.get("myScroller").setStyle({ width: this.controller.window.innerWidth + "px"}); Nov 28 23:31:24 Wow. I seriously owe you a beer. That fixed it. Nov 28 23:31:39 is there an event when the display size changes? Nov 28 23:31:55 lemme check... Nov 28 23:32:02 rbredow: well, I'm in Germany, but I would take the beer :D Nov 28 23:32:05 MetaView: That sounds like something that needs to be up on webos101.com. :) Nov 28 23:32:45 Mr. 101 look out for more content... ok, I might write something :) Nov 28 23:33:14 heh Nov 28 23:33:28 I do try to bludgeon people into recording all this good info. Nov 28 23:34:09 I know, but the pity is you can't be big in the channel then anymore :) Nov 28 23:34:32 Another tidbit I've learned this afternoon is you have to give it about 25-50ms after the activate call before you can start drawing on the canvas with ctx.drawImage Nov 28 23:34:46 Perhaps everyone else already knows that one. :) Nov 28 23:36:00 nope, have you check the loading of the image? Nov 28 23:36:08 img.src = ""; Nov 28 23:36:13 That's probably a better way to do it. Nov 28 23:36:14 img.onload Nov 28 23:36:25 or img.complete == true Nov 28 23:36:25 <-- Nov 28 23:36:31 yes, yes Nov 28 23:36:53 I usually call redraw in onload and check for complete Nov 28 23:37:04 * MetaView goes now to 101.com Nov 28 23:37:46 Preware and homebrew apps and patches blow Android out of the water in purchasing decisions: http://themxweb.com/2009/11/28/a-big-thanks-to-webos-internals/ Nov 28 23:38:44 btw, I found the switch which disables textreplacment and auto capitalization globally Nov 28 23:41:32 how to format code in wiki? Nov 28 23:42:12 Code in here Nov 28 23:42:24 thx Nov 28 23:42:26 * rbredow is so proud to have helped MetaView with something. (Still owes him a beer) Nov 28 23:43:12 :) Nov 28 23:47:46 MetaView: use Nov 28 23:47:54 If it's javascript. Nov 28 23:48:43 it was html Nov 28 23:48:50 but I also have js Nov 28 23:49:00 what is the difference to just ? Nov 28 23:52:31 http://www.webos101.com/Scroller Nov 28 23:57:26 Looks like does syntax highlighting Nov 29 00:01:43 udpated with syntax highlighting Nov 29 00:03:40 cool... Nov 29 00:05:42 What's the best way to distribute my app for beta testing? How do they get it onto their device to test? Nov 29 00:07:18 submitit to precentral Nov 29 00:07:25 homebrew section Nov 29 00:07:37 I want a limited beta, not everybody. Nov 29 00:08:00 JasonLP Nov 29 00:08:05 I think precentral can do that Nov 29 00:08:13 Oh? Nov 29 00:08:24 hold on, let me find a link for you Nov 29 00:08:52 you ask for people to want to test, they can use webosquickinstall or other tools to get the app on there pre Nov 29 00:08:56 isn't apple Nov 29 00:11:38 Hello all. Have a quick question, hoping it can be answered easily. I'm following the directions on the website for installing the SDK on Windows. I have Windows 7 Ultimate (64-bit) and the emulator will not run. Is there a special way to install for Windows 7? Nov 29 00:12:03 dont think it runs on 64bit Nov 29 00:12:15 It offers a 64-bit download Nov 29 00:12:22 i could be wrong tho Nov 29 00:12:24 Which is the one I downloaded Nov 29 00:13:06 sorry i wsa thinking xp64 for some reason Nov 29 00:13:10 does virtual box support 64bit? Nov 29 00:13:14 as host? Nov 29 00:13:25 there might be a special version Nov 29 00:13:33 I'm...not sure. Nov 29 00:14:19 http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/3.0.12/VirtualBox-3.0.12-54655-Win.exe Nov 29 00:14:24 is apparently 32/64bit Nov 29 00:14:31 newer than the one linked on the SDK download page Nov 29 00:18:26 In addition, I've noticed that my java -version command doesn't work, but if I go to the Java page to check what my version is, it shows there, so it may be something with that? I've completely removed and reinstalled java. Nov 29 00:27:39 Roy-Pre101: hey did you ever figure out that onClose garbage or you want me to run it by Brandon? Nov 29 00:30:02 JasonLP: when you submit an app on precentral there is an option for "not available via repository, available as private beta(see description)" so you could do that and tell people to email you if interested. that way you get the word out, but still only get interested testers Nov 29 00:30:20 "Not Available via Repository, available as private beta (see description) - Description must include details on how to apply for the Beta (note - 'donationware' or 'for-pay-betas' are prohibited)" Nov 29 00:30:56 what you could do is ask dieter for a developer sub forum to communicate with testers Nov 29 00:31:19 JasonLP: alternatively there are tons of other devs here and in webos-internals that probably would have a second to give you feedback as long as the app was interesting :) Nov 29 00:31:21 That may be what I need. I already have my own beta group and forum—It's not beta testers I'm looking for, but rather a way to have them install the app easily. Nov 29 00:32:16 JasonLP: i wouldn't want someone to test my app if they don't know how command line works ;) Nov 29 00:32:21 As long as there's an option for "Not Available via Repository", then this may work. Thank you for the heads up, I'll certainly look into this. Nov 29 00:32:23 Maybe I'm a prude. Nov 29 00:46:05 kesne_: Twee supports direct file uploads. :P Nov 29 00:47:20 Roy-Pre101: are you familiar with app-assistant cleanup()? Or did you already get that far? Nov 29 00:47:34 zsoc: I am. Nov 29 00:47:45 can you not read 2 different cookies? Nov 29 00:47:46 Roy-Pre101: ok then :D Nov 29 00:47:59 dawm: As many cookies as you like. Nov 29 00:48:06 Roy-Pre101: is implementing it simple enough? I can do the research if you need Nov 29 00:48:30 zsoc: Oh, I have one now. I'm just not confident a service call in the app assistant will run all the way through without being terminated. Nov 29 00:49:07 Oh. Well If you want to toss it in there i can test it with some dbus polling... Nov 29 00:49:36 There isn't much to "run through" if you think about it. Closing the app doesn't 'close' the service. All it needs to do is send the 1 call. Nov 29 00:49:41 er, request. Nov 29 00:50:22 I thought that the stage controller would get a cleanup method as well. Nov 29 00:50:25 But it doesn't seem to be called. Nov 29 00:50:54 Roy-Pre101: brandon claims there is a cleanup for 'scene' as well, but that may only involve multiple cards? Nov 29 00:51:01 I'm not too familiar with all this crazy mojo lingo ;) Nov 29 00:51:31 hrm, had a stuck cookie then Nov 29 00:51:42 zsoc: Also, you must have a stage controller to do a service request call, AFAIK Nov 29 00:52:04 Roy-Pre101: srsly? Nov 29 00:52:21 kesne_: srsly. Nov 29 00:52:36 I knew that... Nov 29 00:53:04 what made you think I didnt? Nov 29 00:53:18 ::shrug:: Nov 29 00:53:40 kesne whats your gtalk Nov 29 00:53:46 uh Nov 29 00:53:49 well it depends Nov 29 00:53:52 SFW or not? Nov 29 00:54:01 sfw Nov 29 00:54:09 Uh Nov 29 00:54:19 If it's work related, jordan.gensler@keen-studios.net Nov 29 00:54:23 but just add jordangens@gmail.com Nov 29 00:54:25 I use it more Nov 29 00:54:42 Roy-Pre101: just updated the article Nov 29 00:54:49 hah i dont even have my app related email setup on gtalk Nov 29 00:55:03 Just use jordangens@gmail.com Nov 29 00:55:09 it's linked to my pre and pixi Nov 29 00:55:14 and Im on it on weekends Nov 29 00:55:36 tell me when you shoot the invite Nov 29 00:56:06 A HA Nov 29 00:57:07 * kesne spams dawm's inbox Nov 29 00:57:07 Roy-Pre101: brandon claims a stage controller is not necessary, i can try to find code example if you like? Nov 29 01:02:14 zsoc: Please Nov 29 01:03:12 AppController doesn't have a serviceRequest member. Nov 29 01:04:35 I guess really you need a sceneController, not a service controller. Nov 29 01:04:38 Roy-Pre101: the end of each one of these ---> http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/preware.git;a=tree;f=app/assistants;h=1c03ca8a3368913fdd2b247c8edef1a600996708;hb=HEAD <-- assistants seems to have a cleanup calling another function? I'm not sure how many / if any of them are calling a service request. Excuse my mojo ignorance again Nov 29 01:04:42 s/service/stage/ Nov 29 01:04:52 yes, a scenecontroller is more likely Nov 29 01:07:10 I can just stick it into cleanup for now. Nov 29 01:07:19 It should work 99% of the time Nov 29 01:07:57 99% is 99 times better than it's working now. Nov 29 01:10:53 I was almost tempted to turn the screen 90 degrees so you're holding it the right way for video. Nov 29 01:11:15 but you'd lose the menu. Nov 29 01:31:57 Roy-Pre101: Does Twee do notifications after you close the app? Nov 29 01:33:08 No notifications that I know of. Nov 29 01:33:12 hmm Nov 29 01:50:06 Hi all, anyone doing IMAP to a (dovecot) server that has multiple namespaces? Nov 29 01:53:04 CTLAdvance-work: ping Nov 29 01:59:27 Ok, another scroller question from the newbie for the experts. Scrolling is working great...now I want to turn it off when the user is dragging one of my sprites. I'm using the mousedown+mousemove+mouseup commands to move my sprites, I just want to also disable the scroller during those drags (obviously they compete with each other right now). Nov 29 02:27:02 hi all! Nov 29 02:28:48 Anyone have an example handy of accessing the methods of a scroller? Nov 29 02:47:22 Has anyone tried the scroller code at the bottom of this page, I can't seem to get it to work at all: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1544 Nov 29 02:47:31 Maybe there's just a typo in the example. Nov 29 02:50:13 rbredow: You need to define a few things in css for it to work Nov 29 02:50:43 I've got it scrolling ok, I'm just trying to use the scrollers methods to override it when the user is dragging on a sprite in my canvas. Nov 29 02:50:46 I guess they've already defined it though Nov 29 02:51:15 Can't seem to get the scroller to call the callbacks or access it's methods. Nov 29 02:52:31 Hmmmm...haven't dealt with that. All I've used is the scrollStarting method Nov 29 02:53:51 Do you have a code snippet handy? I expect i'm just doing it wrong since I can't get the scroller to callback anything. Nov 29 02:54:07 Doc!!! Nov 29 02:54:09 hiya **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Nov 29 02:59:57 2009