**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Dec 02 02:59:57 2009 Dec 02 03:01:51 just using the basic url: property of the controller.setupWidget Dec 02 03:02:31 im using swapscene instead of pop/push - would that throw any issues> Dec 02 03:15:42 anyone have any thoughts on my webview issue? (Sorry if asking again is inappropriate in IRC - havent been on IRC in 10yrs) Dec 02 03:30:32 LiquidReality: this is the place Dec 02 03:30:40 but you're going to have to give us some more details Dec 02 03:30:51 you are opening TWO webviews at the same time IN THE SAME SCENE? Dec 02 03:31:04 or are you instantiating two stages, each of them with a scene with a webview on it? Dec 02 03:31:27 nope. One webview in one scene, then another webview in another scene that are exchanged using swapscene Dec 02 03:31:36 single stage Dec 02 03:31:46 should I run two stages? Dec 02 03:32:51 the problem is Liquid that when you swap scenes, you completely REMOVE the other scene from memory Dec 02 03:32:57 it just isn't there any more. Dec 02 03:33:19 Can you give me a hint about why you want two webviews? Dec 02 03:33:26 what is it you're trying to accomplish? Dec 02 03:34:04 LiquidReality: do you have a sense of what happens when you push a scene onto a stage? Dec 02 03:34:31 (happens in terms of what's going on inside the webview browser ) Dec 02 03:35:01 ok, it's embarrassing... but the application that I have been working on for weeks now has been dumbed down from a webservice-based content feed application (listing downloadable content from a carrier) to two scenes that basically just use a visual tab system to load two websites into the app Dec 02 03:36:04 this is due in part to the client not being able to program content properly for this device, and in part due to the inability to ude DRM protected content on the device... but that's another story Dec 02 03:36:29 anyways... the bottom line is I load two sites into two separate scenes using webview... Dec 02 03:36:42 first works, second doesnt... and only on the device. Dec 02 03:36:52 hi all! Dec 02 03:38:11 LiquidReality: well, ignoring for the moment that you can resolve the drm issue in a couple of clever ways.... which I will go into if you're interested... Dec 02 03:38:43 if it works on the emulator and not on the device, you've hit one of the unfortunate issues that surround the fact that the emulator isn't actually emulting the device at all. Dec 02 03:38:47 only the framework Dec 02 03:39:04 Hi JenP_away Dec 02 03:39:18 hi rick! Dec 02 03:39:51 LiquidReality: you're wanting to load two webvirw widgets -at one time- right ? Dec 02 03:40:14 rick_home: separately. Dec 02 03:40:28 I destroy each scene as I swap to the next Dec 02 03:40:35 uh Dec 02 03:40:56 I mean I swap between the two. Dec 02 03:41:11 I don't care if only one is active at the same time or not really Dec 02 03:41:14 why change scenes at all? You're having to load the URL each time, why not just change the URL that's loading into the widget? Dec 02 03:41:14 So it's two scenes at the same time? :P Dec 02 03:41:29 ...... Dec 02 03:41:33 rick_home: maybe he's hoping they will be precached? Dec 02 03:41:38 feeling really stupid for a momment.... Dec 02 03:41:58 yeah - the pre-caching would be nice... Dec 02 03:42:05 they CAN NOT be pre-cached swapping scenes destroys the webview widget Dec 02 03:42:14 but, at this point... not really important anymore. Dec 02 03:42:28 this app has been re-invented about 5 times.... Dec 02 03:42:43 I think I may have lost clear thought on this. Dec 02 03:43:20 why DO I need two scenes? it's really a left over from a previous version of the app that no longer is required. Dec 02 03:43:25 thanks. Dec 02 03:43:58 instead of swapping scenes... just push a new URL to the webview. Dec 02 03:44:07 I am an idiot Dec 02 03:44:17 again, thanks all. Dec 02 03:45:29 the problem still bugs me though.... (no longer an issue for me) but everything works when the web browser is open in the background, but it wont if the app is open alone.... Dec 02 03:45:48 troubling... Dec 02 03:46:00 ello Dec 02 03:46:59 hey atlanta! Dec 02 03:57:11 gnite Dec 02 03:57:36 nite Dec 02 03:57:57 what's the best way to say if this text field gets focus then disable this button? Dec 02 03:58:17 this.text.focus == true? Dec 02 03:58:36 then this.button.disabled? Dec 02 04:13:43 so i'm guessing i need to put this with a controller.listen Dec 02 04:14:04 listen for the textfield to get focus if it does disable button b? Dec 02 04:23:37 JenP: beta test Dec 02 04:23:45 hi doc! Dec 02 04:23:51 Hello Dec 02 04:23:52 i know i saw! very cool Dec 02 04:24:08 I need 1000 ad requests for calibration Dec 02 04:24:12 From various places around the US Dec 02 04:24:31 kk i'll start clicking though and i'll put it on josh's too Dec 02 04:24:46 Not clicks Dec 02 04:24:48 Just requests Dec 02 04:25:02 so just leaving it open? Dec 02 04:25:05 Of course, if you want to click a few, not a problem. Dec 02 04:25:07 Yeah Dec 02 04:25:18 oh super cool I can do that Dec 02 04:26:47 I hope I can filter out those ringtone ads Dec 02 04:26:49 So tacky Dec 02 04:28:48 reality9110: loading it now Dec 02 04:29:40 Thanks rick Dec 02 04:29:47 oh i like the adds how they're smaller unobtrusive Dec 02 04:30:42 I think I'm actually going to add admob into the rotation as well. Dec 02 04:30:48 They're always a decent money maker Dec 02 04:32:12 so guys any ideas on my disable button on textfield focus? Dec 02 04:32:44 hey doc so if i have the mute button on it doesn't mute Dec 02 04:33:09 i can turn the volumn all the way down, but i thought the button would cancel it out Dec 02 04:33:10 Mute button? Dec 02 04:33:25 you know top button...slides...you see orange Dec 02 04:33:30 vibrate button? Dec 02 04:33:33 Ah Dec 02 04:33:34 switch? Dec 02 04:33:45 Did they open that up in the sdk yet? Dec 02 04:33:54 idk Dec 02 04:33:59 i've never thought about it Dec 02 04:35:48 JenP: I can almost guarantee you Roy knows :> Dec 02 04:36:06 reality9110: Doc, switches status http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1800 Dec 02 04:36:26 hmmm knowing Roy he'll throw out another "stop propagation" and then my head spins Dec 02 04:36:43 specifically, the "ringer" switch Dec 02 04:36:46 lol Dec 02 04:39:11 well crud puppies Dec 02 04:39:15 out of space again. :-( Dec 02 04:39:47 installing the hard way. Dec 02 04:45:05 I'm already implementing it... Dec 02 04:45:53 cool! Dec 02 05:03:01 Ok. I just set it up to stop the audio. I can't "mute" the audio yet Dec 02 05:08:06 Hey all, quick question.... is there a way to send any sort of message txt message from the emulator? I thought at least google talk would connect, but it doesn't appear that way. Dec 02 05:10:14 MLJ: At this time, I don't think so Dec 02 05:11:24 Darn, Well, Thanks for the reply. Dec 02 05:26:46 I want to make an app that makes the ringer switch work in the opposite manner. Dec 02 05:27:02 Like, makes it ring even louder when on vibrate Dec 02 05:28:35 zsoc: I'm not seeing anything in the SDK opened up yet that would allow you to increase audio Dec 02 05:29:10 Or anything to get the current volume either Dec 02 05:31:09 reality9110: I'm not a 'known API' kinda guy Dec 02 05:31:35 If you've seen BroadCAST Radio, neither am I... Dec 02 05:47:49 how does one find undocumented API calls, exactly? Dec 02 05:49:42 yetdog: you know what's funny, I'm not quite sure how to find the documented ones Dec 02 05:50:10 hahahaha so true Dec 02 05:50:35 the undocumented ones come pretty naturally, you just write them into the service that supports your app ;) Dec 02 05:50:45 sorry, i come from -internals, ignore me :P Dec 02 06:13:28 yetdog: looks at palms apps Dec 02 06:14:11 ahhh good pooint Dec 02 07:19:52 anybody got access to ares yet? Dec 02 08:29:43 i wish, thatd be cool Dec 02 11:55:11 Is it better to make a single Mojo.Depot call, with a single (huge) object than write a lot of calls at once ? Dec 02 11:55:35 Nevermind I can just try both ways and see how she sails. Dec 02 12:39:20 Hi Dec 02 15:56:42 hi everyone Dec 02 16:09:08 heya. Dec 02 16:42:22 >2000 views of the Sprint ADC video. !!! (far and away the highest number of downloads from the conference.) Dec 02 16:42:32 ((and it isn't even up on sprint's dev page yet)) Dec 02 16:56:44 Nice Dec 02 17:01:18 hi everyone Dec 02 17:03:38 Hello Dec 02 17:28:13 So is there a way to check if the phone is charging? The only once I have found is to subscribe to the chargerStatus through the signal bus... which is not a supported api call. Dec 02 17:28:36 or rather, a valid api call, without being com.palm.something Dec 02 17:55:03 So.. since I seem to be too late to the party for early beta access in terms of getting my app in the app catalog, is there any downside to releasing my app to the homebrew community in the meantime? (its free) Dec 02 17:57:32 lyht: Check how battery Monitor app does it ? Dec 02 17:58:40 mmm.... good idea FreeTim3. I am going to bet that it subscribes to the single bus, but I will go look. Dec 02 17:59:31 yetdog, I have never found a downside to releasing to the homebrew group, and tons of upside. especially if it is free and you dont have to worry about how to limit it so people will still pay money in the future. Dec 02 17:59:55 It is great to get the feedback from homebrew, and they are a ton more forgiving that regular users. Dec 02 18:00:08 that = than Dec 02 18:08:57 yah, it subscribes to the signal bus also. Looks like right now there is no other way... crappy that I can Dec 02 18:09:11 't tell if the phone is on the charger or not. Dec 02 18:09:32 without using invalid api calls. Dec 02 18:37:22 how do I get the phone's device ID? Dec 02 18:37:44 I think thereis a system api for that Dec 02 18:38:13 lyht: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1550 Dec 02 18:38:46 azakus, perfect! Thanks! Dec 02 18:40:20 Is there currently a way to get the profile id? So we can unqiuely identify the user, rather than the phone? Dec 02 18:41:49 might try a few different keys to give the system request Dec 02 18:42:03 there's a lot of undocumented parts to pretty much every system service Dec 02 18:43:38 I am sure there is an existing way, cause the app catalog does it. I just worry about using undocumented calls (Already got rejected once for that.) Dec 02 18:50:50 HELLO ADORA Dec 02 18:51:13 dbsooner do you need to scream at her?!?! Dec 02 18:51:19 es! Dec 02 18:51:31 HULLOOOO ZEEBA NEIGHBA Dec 02 18:51:32 She is worthy of being announced when she enters the room. Dec 02 18:51:48 dude, everyone screams at me when I enter a room =P Dec 02 18:51:54 Exactly! Dec 02 18:52:10 oy Dec 02 18:52:33 but it's usually more along the lines of NOOOOOOOOOOOO Dec 02 18:52:45 Adora: good morning Dec 02 18:53:15 how's life in the palm? Dec 02 18:53:33 destinal: always hectic, always awesome =] Dec 02 18:54:24 heya eekfuh Dec 02 18:54:30 howdy Dec 02 18:54:41 so lets see Dec 02 18:54:52 (checks twitter) Dec 02 18:55:08 developer replations Dec 02 18:55:10 relations* Dec 02 18:55:27 I'm on the app review team Dec 02 18:55:30 ahhs Dec 02 18:55:49 who's reviewing Twee right now? Dec 02 18:56:09 * Adora checks lists for today Dec 02 18:56:15 probably no one Dec 02 18:56:31 Christine? Dec 02 18:56:55 ooh, I am! Dec 02 18:57:00 exciting Dec 02 18:57:19 so question… who reviewed WootOn!? Dec 02 18:57:25 cause i never got any info on the review Dec 02 18:57:29 I also reviewed it Dec 02 18:57:35 and it passed Dec 02 18:57:36 that was a quick review Dec 02 18:57:50 it was like … 8 hours in queue before it hit the catalog Dec 02 18:57:51 we're only sending feedback if we reject Dec 02 18:58:06 did you test the notification system? Dec 02 18:58:25 i dont think you would have had the time to do that Dec 02 18:59:18 also is the team as swamped as you guys used to be? Dec 02 19:00:09 no, I didn't test notifications...I didn't miss something there, did I? Dec 02 19:00:36 the backlog is still bigger than we want it to be, but we're making major progress every day Dec 02 19:00:55 nah its fine… i was wondering cause notifications only fire off at 12AM CST and i published it at 1AM CST and it was on the catalog soon after Dec 02 19:00:58 everyone should start noticing quicker turnaround times soon Dec 02 19:01:21 how big is the team now? Dec 02 19:01:28 I probably should have waited to test it, but I trusted you =] Dec 02 19:01:35 lol Dec 02 19:01:52 Adora, why would I have a couple of apps in review since Nov 12th? Did they get stuck? Was the reviewer fired? Dont mean to whine, just wanna make sure they didn't fall through the cracks. Dec 02 19:02:01 lyht: what apps? Dec 02 19:02:15 supersudoku and supersudokudemo Dec 02 19:02:32 eekfuh: we're still at 3 folks, and actively looking for more Dec 02 19:16:29 hello everyone Dec 02 19:16:37 howdy Dec 02 19:17:28 hi, swisstomcat Dec 02 19:43:18 hi Dec 02 19:45:17 since my upgrade to 1.3.1 (world ready, germany) i can't install any apps via usb anymore. i always get the message "FAILED_NOT_ENOUGH_INSTALL_SPACE" from palm-install. i also just reinstalled webos and still get the message. any ideas? Dec 02 19:49:58 any thoughts on displaying tabular data? I don't see any user interface guidelines for grids/tables Dec 02 19:58:07 So.. since I seem to be too late to the party for early beta access in terms of getting my app in the app catalog, is there any downside to releasing my app to the homebrew community in the meantime? (its free) Dec 02 19:58:27 binbasti, you need the latest version of the sdk. The previous version does not work with 1.3.1 Dec 02 19:59:01 yetdog: if its free anyway, I wouldn't see any downside. I would say get it to homebrew asap! Dec 02 19:59:13 yetdog, I have never found a downside to releasing to the homebrew group, and tons of upside. especially if it is free and you dont have to worry about how to limit it so people will still pay money in the future. Dec 02 19:59:13 It is great to get the feedback from homebrew, and they are a ton more forgiving than regular users. Dec 02 19:59:33 lyht: ah, thanks! forgot to update the sdk. Dec 02 19:59:43 :) so basically just contact the gang @ precentral for dev access, and once they grant it, submit it on the forum? Dec 02 19:59:44 yetdog, Yeah, if it's going to be free either way, it can't hurt! Dec 02 20:00:18 yetdog, there is a special interface for it, which you will get when granted access. Dec 02 20:00:44 you will also create a new thread in the forum to provide people a way to give feedback Dec 02 20:00:50 nice, thank you very much! :) Dec 02 20:01:07 hopefully i'll hear back soon - and that palm lets me sneak in - about a week old submission, no word from them yet! Dec 02 20:02:00 yetdog, dont think you are late to the official party. Dec 02 20:02:40 ive submitted my app via email to palm per their instructions on the site. also replied back (albeit late) about the late beta entry submission, no word yet Dec 02 20:02:56 You could still get in. Dec 02 20:03:49 fingers crossed, no word a week after submission :) Dec 02 20:06:56 yetdog email devrel@palm.com and ask if they will let you in. Dec 02 20:07:04 tell them that story Dec 02 20:08:48 yetdog it usually takes 2 weeks Dec 02 20:20:55 is there going to be a longer period for us during which we can't get into the catalog? i don't really understand the last call and everything. i mean, will it be closed for new submissions in december, in january, until june, or what? Dec 02 20:30:11 binbasti, my understanding is that right now it is free to submit your app, but at some point they'll start charging the $99 and $50 fees Dec 02 20:30:33 JustinHoMi: ah, i understand Dec 02 20:30:38 thx Dec 02 20:41:02 wow - Rick are you still there? Dec 02 20:48:05 Now the Pre has gone main stream... we have 2 belch apps Dec 02 20:49:01 yetdog yes, I'm here why? Dec 02 20:49:19 i got a response back from devrel in 12 minutes Dec 02 20:49:30 magic address for now. Dec 02 20:49:36 Until they get overwhelmed. Dec 02 20:49:45 checking into it ASAP and will get me into the process. i will hear from them shortly Dec 02 20:49:46 thank you thank you thank you! Dec 02 20:49:59 it got me in, wow :) Dec 02 20:50:34 one does what one can.... :) Dec 02 20:50:58 any opinions on the oreilly book for the sdk? Dec 02 20:51:00 good purchase? Dec 02 20:51:04 nope Dec 02 20:51:06 no Dec 02 20:51:09 makes me nervous since it came out so early Dec 02 20:51:23 is there any good hardcopy out there? Dec 02 20:51:24 pivotal labs gave me a copy Dec 02 20:51:30 i skimmed through it Dec 02 20:51:34 I mean, it's better than nothing, but it's horrifically out of date and has hundreds and hundreds of fixes on the oreilly web site. Dec 02 20:51:36 no real insigh Dec 02 20:51:38 insihgt Dec 02 20:51:45 right, that's what i was afraid of Dec 02 20:52:00 sorry guy Dec 02 20:52:04 its the only sdk book out there eh? Dec 02 20:52:07 but there is hope. Dec 02 20:52:16 he's a vet Dec 02 20:52:20 he'll be ok Dec 02 20:52:26 which I can not explain, but I can offer assurances that there's hope. Dec 02 20:52:37 I see, I see :) mum's the word Dec 02 20:53:10 I have no doubt there's hope on all fronts with this OS - IMO we're ahead of the game where the iphone was 6 mos after its release on everything except GPU Dec 02 20:53:14 and im sure that's coming Dec 02 20:53:44 hoping for @fontface somteimt soon Dec 02 20:54:21 maybe some getDataURI in canvas Dec 02 21:03:08 eekfuh, what would the getDataURI get you? Dec 02 21:03:09 (curious) Dec 02 21:03:43 the image data Dec 02 21:04:06 ah. sorry - pretty much new to prototype/js and learning as i go Dec 02 21:04:27 it would allow someone to make a drawing board Dec 02 21:04:32 then click save and it would save it somewhere Dec 02 21:05:19 ah i see Dec 02 21:06:41 i wanna write an etch-a-sketch app Dec 02 21:06:48 but its useless if people can't email/save hte image Dec 02 21:07:22 oh now i understand completely. Is it possible to screenshot and do some trimming programatically? Dec 02 21:07:52 i still wouldn't have access to save Dec 02 21:07:55 so thats another issue Dec 02 21:08:08 but parsing an compressed image data in javascript is a joke **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 03 04:00:14 2009 Dec 03 04:04:22 is 2.9 the latest version? Dec 03 04:04:36 not sure Dec 03 04:04:47 check his precentral forum Dec 03 04:08:18 it's so odd, it worked fine a few days ago. Now there is nothing I can do to get it to open a windows dialog box Dec 03 04:09:18 are youon a pc or a mac/linux box? Dec 03 04:10:03 vista 64bit Dec 03 04:12:33 gonna try to warm up the coffee, maybe that's it Dec 03 04:14:13 nope, that didn't work Dec 03 04:20:39 well, I am at a loss then. Updated Java, reinstalled everything. Still can't get it to open a windows dialog Dec 03 04:21:36 Which version of the sdk do you have installed? Dec 03 04:21:44 wait Dec 03 04:21:53 this is the window to select the package to install? Dec 03 04:22:24 no, I am just trying to replace a file. but WebOS QI won't let me select files from my machine Dec 03 04:22:34 interesting Dec 03 04:22:40 brb Dec 03 04:22:52 how do i make a backwards subtraction correct? like 300-400 = 100 (instead of -100) Dec 03 04:22:59 yea, it's very strange b/c it worked fine b4 today, and I havnt really changed anything Dec 03 04:29:37 Lisa, when are we going to touchbase with a certain english texan? Dec 03 04:32:20 why is mp4 playback so choppy on the pre Dec 03 04:33:07 its not.. Dec 03 04:33:25 I think pandora uses mp4 for a bunch of their songs Dec 03 04:33:27 it stutters sometimes Dec 03 04:33:41 are you streaming it? Dec 03 04:33:44 or on device? Dec 03 04:33:48 i downloaded a video made for iphone and it plays but sometimes it stutters Dec 03 04:33:52 works-for-me, lol Dec 03 04:34:06 high quality files will stutter. Dec 03 04:34:14 HQ vids that is Dec 03 04:34:27 so the pre cannot play what iphone can play Dec 03 04:35:05 it can it just hasnt been perfected yet Dec 03 04:36:02 what is holding it back? Dec 03 04:36:41 optimization Dec 03 04:39:06 GPU perhaps? Dec 03 04:39:34 this phone will embarrass the 3gs once GPU gets opened, i think Dec 03 04:39:50 they just cant wait too long to do it, and let the iphone get multitasking first Dec 03 04:40:03 (first, as in before palm activates the gpu) Dec 03 04:41:02 yeah, i cant wait for webgl Dec 03 04:42:33 hi all! Dec 03 04:42:43 hi Dec 03 04:42:56 hey CTLAdvance-work Dec 03 04:43:06 hey JenP Dec 03 04:43:20 hi jenp Dec 03 04:43:34 hi haeffb! Dec 03 04:45:11 hi jen Dec 03 04:45:14 JenP: how's life in the app catalog? Dec 03 04:45:18 congrats on showing up in the app catalog Dec 03 04:45:23 and selling like hotcakes Dec 03 04:45:29 why the hell don't our GAMES sell that fast. Dec 03 04:45:29 JenP, what's your app? Dec 03 04:45:37 thanks idk about selling like hotcakes Dec 03 04:45:40 debt free Dec 03 04:45:41 So much for games. ... let's make more money stuff. Dec 03 04:45:50 nice! :) Dec 03 04:45:57 how well do hotcakes sell anyway? Dec 03 04:46:02 i hope we get the same quality w/ webgl as the iphone does now Dec 03 04:46:04 but i'm happy i didn't get any bad reviews...i was kinda expecting it... Dec 03 04:46:16 thanks yetdog Dec 03 04:46:30 im nervous about my submission. chuq got ahold of me today so he's getting me in, and i just submitted it to precentral also Dec 03 04:46:52 246 downloads so far JenP Dec 03 04:46:54 wow! Dec 03 04:46:57 yetdog that's perfect you'll get in Dec 03 04:47:01 really? Dec 03 04:47:10 rick_home: how many taskadder? Dec 03 04:47:12 8 reviews 246 downloads Dec 03 04:47:17 Yeah, Chuq is awesome - passed it along to the business end of things so im good to go Dec 03 04:47:18 cool Dec 03 04:47:24 * haeffb too lazy to dl patch Dec 03 04:47:40 lol Dec 03 04:47:51 taskadder 1097 Dec 03 04:48:02 wow awesome haeffb Dec 03 04:48:18 rick any news on when the updates for the games going up? Dec 03 04:48:20 i'd be making millions if I charged $1000 per dl Dec 03 04:48:34 reversi 66,184 Dec 03 04:48:48 reversi is awesome Dec 03 04:48:54 simple big book 4716 Dec 03 04:49:04 but i have to admit i have a new game fav...wobble words... Dec 03 04:49:07 pegged 431 Dec 03 04:49:20 although i do wonder if they put hidden ads in it Dec 03 04:49:23 so why is it taking so long to enable the gpu Dec 03 04:49:35 lots of acknowledging pop up scenes Dec 03 04:49:40 snow globe 112 -- with the crappiest rviews of every app in the world Dec 03 04:49:42 i downloaded boggle today Dec 03 04:49:45 no sound tho? Dec 03 04:49:51 snow globe will get better Dec 03 04:49:54 rasstar: because it's hard. Dec 03 04:50:02 here's funny: toodledo tracks number of users by appID. TaskAdder has 495 users. out of 1097 dl's Dec 03 04:51:15 and 200+ were users in homebrew. Dec 03 04:51:25 hey has reality9110 been on? Dec 03 04:51:31 i've been playing his app all day Dec 03 04:51:40 no one else got boggle? Dec 03 04:51:44 left if running at my desk Dec 03 04:52:30 do you know if palm has a timeline when the gpu is enabled? why is it hard? doesn't the iphone and google phones have gpu enabled Dec 03 04:53:12 WOG O.S.K. is not a good name for the keyboard Dec 03 04:53:30 oh and baddddd icon Dec 03 04:53:38 why the hate :[ Dec 03 04:53:44 no hate at all Dec 03 04:53:47 i got my replacement pre today :D Dec 03 04:53:47 lots of love Dec 03 04:53:48 ;[ Dec 03 04:53:53 but its got a weird screen issue Dec 03 04:53:56 ive never seen before Dec 03 04:53:57 ;o Dec 03 04:53:58 but the normal user wont know what it is off hand Dec 03 04:54:03 Hello to All! Dec 03 04:54:09 hi LoneStar34 Dec 03 04:54:13 it looks like a small smudge under the screen Dec 03 04:54:15 droO what issue? Dec 03 04:54:19 eww Dec 03 04:54:20 and the pixels still light up, but a lil dim Dec 03 04:54:30 and its maybe a grouping of 8 pixels Dec 03 04:54:36 in sort of a circular blob Dec 03 04:54:48 Any cool news in the Palm world? Dec 03 04:56:09 but hey Dec 03 04:56:22 it beats a spidered out screen that randomly touched places 24/7 :D Dec 03 04:56:28 lol Dec 03 04:56:34 and otherwise touch was completely gone Dec 03 04:56:39 besides the random clicks everywhere Dec 03 04:56:51 apps still showing up in the catalog tonight Dec 03 04:56:55 using pre without screen is a nightmare ;[ Dec 03 04:57:00 someone from palm should try it Dec 03 04:57:08 does palm contact folks if an app gets rejected? Dec 03 04:57:14 theres so many things that are impossible Dec 03 04:57:14 ;[ Dec 03 04:57:19 what app haeffb? Dec 03 04:57:28 new apps Dec 03 04:57:30 droO possible a defective new pre? Dec 03 04:57:37 think i will buy my first app today Dec 03 04:57:48 525 now Dec 03 04:57:51 yeah rasstar go for it! Dec 03 04:58:01 im not sure Dec 03 04:58:07 its a warranty replacement from sprint Dec 03 04:58:12 screen just has that slight issue Dec 03 04:58:13 no dead pixels Dec 03 04:58:15 man my apps marked as published but the new icon isn't up Dec 03 04:58:22 seems very solid besides the lil weird blob Dec 03 04:58:30 i'd still take it in Dec 03 04:58:41 i might, just happy to have a functional phone for now :D Dec 03 04:58:50 it broke sat nite Dec 03 04:59:07 lol and what really sucked is i couldnt even get anything off of it :( Dec 03 04:59:13 anyone here a dave matthews band fan? Dec 03 04:59:17 smiles...oh that does suck Dec 03 04:59:19 i hope someone looks at it and checks out all my mods Dec 03 04:59:20 lol Dec 03 04:59:25 ;o Dec 03 04:59:30 yetdog...not really Dec 03 04:59:43 debtfree? shows a new version tonight Dec 03 04:59:59 haha ok ;) my app won't do much for you then ;) Dec 03 05:00:05 haeffb not a new version...i just put the wrong icon up Dec 03 05:00:06 1.0.5 Dec 03 05:00:07 how many apps in the store now? Dec 03 05:00:14 appp i wanted to write for the iphone when i still had it - but not letting background apps killed it Dec 03 05:00:17 525 Dec 03 05:00:17 i love the banner area Dec 03 05:00:32 I hate ad companies Dec 03 05:00:34 yetdog but that band has a HUGE following it will sell Dec 03 05:00:42 HI DOC!! Dec 03 05:00:46 Hello Dec 03 05:00:51 its free :) just a simple live setlist app Dec 03 05:00:56 dipping the toe in the water Dec 03 05:00:59 i left my phone running all day Dec 03 05:01:11 if it does well, and i get better at it, im gonna write a companion app for my website that ill sell for a couple bucks Dec 03 05:01:16 With the app running? Dec 03 05:01:22 yes Dec 03 05:01:33 This is why I hate ad companies Dec 03 05:01:33 my phone got HOT! Dec 03 05:02:16 Hmmm Dec 03 05:02:18 I wonder why Dec 03 05:02:24 Hey kesne, i put back in that short drop animation as you suggested.. works fine on the emu. gotta test it on the device Dec 03 05:02:37 cause i had it on the touchstone and playing music Dec 03 05:02:40 :D Dec 03 05:02:43 :-d Dec 03 05:02:45 Ah...well, that explains it Dec 03 05:02:46 I feel special Dec 03 05:02:49 you can email it to me Dec 03 05:02:54 Anyone know the path to the app catalog in the file system/ Dec 03 05:02:58 kesne: Report? Dec 03 05:03:16 i will, for some reason theres somethign wrong with hiscore Dec 03 05:03:17 your phone getting hot is why the GPU is a problem Dec 03 05:03:26 Well, that and battery life. Dec 03 05:03:48 I heard that the pre doesnt use its gpu Dec 03 05:03:53 JenP: You did make me $0.40 today though Dec 03 05:04:03 i do try Dec 03 05:04:22 Now, if I can get that per user per day... Dec 03 05:04:30 reality9110 does it tell you i was listening in san diego? Dec 03 05:05:00 JenP: It tells me everything. Dec 03 05:05:14 what i listen to? Dec 03 05:05:20 Everything. Dec 03 05:05:36 I'm joking. Dec 03 05:05:37 heheheeh...cheesy christmas music tonight Dec 03 05:05:40 No, it doesn't. Dec 03 05:05:46 pixi radio shack ad on espn... Dec 03 05:05:49 lol no worries Dec 03 05:07:07 JenP: So...on a scale of 1-10? Dec 03 05:07:17 i really like it Dec 03 05:07:31 but took a long time to get into some of the programs Dec 03 05:07:41 wish the background wasn't white Dec 03 05:07:48 but i really like it Dec 03 05:07:50 10 Dec 03 05:08:12 Yeah, had to keep the background that color to correspond to the website. Dec 03 05:08:30 Supposed to be kind of a "cross platform" type of thing Dec 03 05:09:20 Ready to ship, yes or no? Dec 03 05:09:26 yes Dec 03 05:09:31 i really like it Dec 03 05:09:38 dawm: pixi version? Dec 03 05:09:42 Alright then. I'll submit it in the morning Dec 03 05:09:42 and it's easy to find your music in Dec 03 05:09:50 haeffb, ? Dec 03 05:10:08 is a pixi version of prejeweled available? Dec 03 05:10:12 reality9110 did you use web scraping to get the information? Dec 03 05:10:29 soon Dec 03 05:10:41 * haeffb has a wife w/ pixi who misses bejeweled Dec 03 05:10:57 got my review back from palm, had to fix one thing Dec 03 05:11:32 I can guarantee one purchase... !! Dec 03 05:11:42 kesne: Sorry, got called away. Where's that paste? Dec 03 05:11:43 dawm: how long did it take to get word back from Palm? Dec 03 05:11:58 Roy-Pre101: I forget Dec 03 05:12:00 check the logs Dec 03 05:12:38 like 2 days once i submitted Dec 03 05:13:00 prejeweled is awesome. we just need an animated one :) Dec 03 05:13:02 kesne: You shouldn't be using each on an array anyhow. Dec 03 05:13:19 Roy-Pre101 each is on a json object Dec 03 05:14:04 dawm: when did you submit? Dec 03 05:14:19 What the heck does gootcot mean? Dec 03 05:14:21 i sent it in on the 1st Dec 03 05:14:36 but thats after i got dev portal access Dec 03 05:15:01 i got that a week after i sent in the email, but thats due to thanksgiving Dec 03 05:15:01 dawm: how do you get the dev portal access? Dec 03 05:15:08 your handler gives you it Dec 03 05:15:16 oh ok, thanks Dec 03 05:15:38 submitted an app about a week ago, but no word yet Dec 03 05:19:49 gnite, folks Dec 03 05:20:40 kesne: Trying to make sense of your data structure... Dec 03 05:20:57 I'm a strange person Dec 03 05:20:59 what can I say Dec 03 05:21:24 Why is move a string instead of an actual object? If you sent it as the object you wouldn't have to eval it a second time Dec 03 05:22:42 Roy-Pre101: uhm, because I'm cool like that? Dec 03 05:22:49 nice Dec 03 05:23:03 Roy-Pre101: I thought the harder to code and make sense of, the better Dec 03 05:24:37 hi all Dec 03 05:24:44 hi JenP! Dec 03 05:25:09 yetdog! Dec 03 05:25:13 kesne! Dec 03 05:26:30 hello JenP\ Dec 03 05:27:11 lol hi guys! Dec 03 05:27:31 yetdog, do you like lolcats? Dec 03 05:27:37 ha. i can has lolcat? Dec 03 05:27:54 cough cough Ultamate Fighter finally on.... Dec 03 05:28:00 in case anyone cares Dec 03 05:28:45 JenP: if there was an infobot, I would tell you to say ~owned Dec 03 05:29:09 why? kesne? Dec 03 05:29:21 kesne: This code is ugly crap I cobbled together on pastebin so if it works you're lucky: http://webos.pastebin.com/d4a2e622d Dec 03 05:29:37 It says: No one gives a shit, JenP. Dec 03 05:29:47 Roy-Pre101: hehe Dec 03 05:29:56 Was my code "ugly crap"? Dec 03 05:30:08 how do you think mine got infected? Dec 03 05:30:11 lol Dec 03 05:30:16 except me.... Dec 03 05:30:21 hehe Dec 03 05:30:34 seriously, it probably needs a rethink on how you're doing it but... Dec 03 05:30:42 That works with how you're doing it now, I suspect. Dec 03 05:30:51 If not, it's close enough that you can figure out how to fix it. Dec 03 05:30:52 Roy-Pre101: why rethink though? Dec 03 05:31:41 Maybe I just don't understand how you're storing and replaying the moves. Dec 03 05:31:58 Maybe it'd make more sense. But, I've got to sleep Dec 03 05:32:00 hours ago Dec 03 05:32:02 night Dec 03 05:35:07 i am trying to stream an online radio station. the extension is asx. is that windows only? Dec 03 05:35:56 rasstar: that's not a stream Dec 03 05:36:13 rasstar what's the URL for the asx ? Dec 03 05:36:39 I -think- that's the pointer to a stream. Dec 03 05:36:51 rasstar: asx is windows Dec 03 05:36:53 http://www.moodio.fm/node/17470 Dec 03 05:39:51 i think preware slows the phone down Dec 03 05:45:07 rasstar: so, do you want to get the moodio streams working Dec 03 05:45:27 or do you want to get the original microsoft active stream redirector working on the pre? Dec 03 05:45:46 rasstar: preware doesn't do anything in the background. it's more likely an application or patch you have intalled which slows the phone down Dec 03 05:46:06 LoneStar34: asx is microsoft's redirector file format, it can point to almost anything. Dec 03 05:46:14 if i can get the stream working that would be great Dec 03 05:46:45 probably that messenger patch Dec 03 05:48:40 rasstar: what you will need to do to get moodio working is to install the patch that causes your pre to lie and say it's an iphone in the browser identification Dec 03 05:48:53 rick_home: oh ok thanks, it looks like aspx, asp, asx, ms technology Dec 03 05:49:08 then moodio will serve up a site you can actually read, and can click stuff Dec 03 05:49:13 i wasn't using the site just the link Dec 03 05:49:18 the asx link Dec 03 05:50:31 the link is the raw link from the radio station Dec 03 05:50:39 that isn't what you want. Your pre won't play that. Dec 03 05:52:33 ok found it Dec 03 05:52:43 rasstar: try this link first... http://provisioning.streamtheworld.com/pls/WQHTFM.pls Dec 03 05:54:47 rasstar: is Doc on line tonight? reality9110 ???? Dec 03 05:55:12 rasstar: Doc's radiotime app has hot97 as a feed (one of the 30K feeds that radio time supplies) Dec 03 05:55:27 and it's just a webOS app that gives you full access to radiotime's feeds. Dec 03 05:57:06 never heard of it Dec 03 05:57:44 i don;t really listen to hot97. only in the morning during my commute Dec 03 05:58:09 where is doc radiotime app? Dec 03 06:01:25 the pre can;t save a stream Dec 03 06:03:04 The first rule of the RT app, is that we do not speak of the RT app... Dec 03 06:03:45 And it's 100,000 feeds. Dec 03 06:04:11 you kind of lost me Dec 03 06:04:33 rasstar: It's in beta testing right now. Submitting to the app catalog in a day or two. Dec 03 06:04:37 what is this app? never heard of it Dec 03 06:04:39 Free app/ Dec 03 06:04:50 oh ok Dec 03 06:05:28 So, you'll have to wait a few before it pops up in the App Catalog before getting your hands on it. Dec 03 06:06:09 how does one decide if an app is free or not? why did you decide free? Dec 03 06:07:07 I did a thorough cost/benefit analysis, plugged into into a supercomputer to come up with the best possible outcome under both paid and free/ad supported scenarios. Dec 03 06:07:26 In other words, I just said, "Meh...free." Dec 03 06:08:08 oh ok Dec 03 06:08:17 i will look out Dec 03 06:08:59 For reference, those who hang out more in this channel get to beta test apps. Dec 03 06:09:14 i see. Dec 03 06:10:17 does palm backup your previusly viewed websites? i did a webos restore and full erase but it still has my browser history Dec 03 06:11:24 Ok kids. I'm off for the night. Dec 03 06:12:00 laters reality9110 Dec 03 06:21:23 good night guys. I'll ttyt Dec 03 06:21:25 kesne|tv, get back here Dec 03 06:30:53 what? Dec 03 06:32:48 email Dec 03 06:32:51 I saw Dec 03 06:32:57 My lawyer is writing something up Dec 03 06:33:00 lol Dec 03 06:33:27 just kidding Dec 03 06:38:53 So Dec 03 06:38:57 dawm Dec 03 06:39:00 dawm Dec 03 06:39:01 dom Dec 03 06:39:03 dominoes Dec 03 06:39:07 ? Dec 03 06:39:07 domingues Dec 03 06:39:13 No idea Dec 03 06:39:22 I'm just waiting for my code to compile Dec 03 06:45:02 Anyone in here bought Match 'Em xmas edition from the App Catalog? Dec 03 06:45:23 negative Dec 03 06:46:38 I did Dec 03 06:46:40 Why? Dec 03 06:47:37 kesne: Can you novaterm into your phone, cd into the directory it's in.... var/usr/palm/applications/com.dynaptic.something/app/images Dec 03 06:47:57 And see if there's a honkin' big .ipk there that shouldn't be? Dec 03 06:52:34 I'm getting a Pre, should be arriving today! It's going to be a big upgrade from a Centro. :-) Dec 03 06:52:45 yes indeed. Dec 03 06:53:25 the touchstone I ordered seperate, should be arriving Monday. Dec 03 06:55:21 Roy-Pre101: I heard the latest firmware disables unofficial tethering, true? Dec 03 06:55:36 1.3.1? Dec 03 06:55:41 yeah Dec 03 06:56:06 Yeah, kinda. But the new version of the patch, works. It just wasn't compatible. Dec 03 06:56:17 Although, I haven't installed the new one myself. Dec 03 06:56:31 the patch is mytether? Dec 03 06:56:44 yep Dec 03 06:57:35 EdLin: how much was your pre? Dec 03 06:59:14 $99 Dec 03 06:59:25 had to pay $99 because it was an upgrade Dec 03 07:00:10 need to get my wife one. Apparently she's not eligible for a 2-year upgrade until january 1. Which sucks. Dec 03 07:00:15 ok, is sprint still the only place to get a pre? other than ebay? Dec 03 07:00:19 good night! Dec 03 07:00:28 Laters CTLA Dec 03 07:00:48 everyone should be following @webosroundup Dec 03 07:00:48 LoneStar34: best buy, walmart, wirefly, the shack, etc. etc. Dec 03 07:00:49 great website Dec 03 07:00:51 no joke Dec 03 07:01:30 Roy-Pre101: I got the one year Sprint Premier upgrade. See if she's eligable. Dec 03 07:01:53 Did you get it from Sprint directly? Dec 03 07:01:58 no Dec 03 07:02:15 but Best Buy honored it, and on top of that had instant rebate. Dec 03 07:02:44 Tried to get the best buy special for $80 and the sprint operator said he'd fix it for her but couldn't, passed to supervisor who said maybe, who passed her to voicemail. :P Dec 03 07:03:13 Roy-Pre101: well, they've already shipped it, too late for them to change their mind. I got it online. Dec 03 07:03:26 heh Dec 03 07:03:40 it took nearly two days to get the approval cleared. Dec 03 07:04:53 January 1 isn't far away, look at the bright side, even dummies on the phone won't refuse it then. Dec 03 07:06:10 oh phoey, they updated the arrival date to tomorrow (Friday) Dec 03 07:06:41 but I expected it then anyway.... Dec 03 07:07:01 I'll have to watch this carefully, they require a signature. Dec 03 07:10:04 the webosroundup website is pretty cool Dec 03 07:23:43 is there an api call when, the phone is tilted, it is like pressing a submit button? Dec 03 07:23:44 anyone play with this yet? Dec 03 07:23:44 http://www.jqtouch.com/ Dec 03 07:26:07 dawm: looks pretty cool though Dec 03 09:41:24 ok Dec 03 09:41:26 WTF Dec 03 09:41:42 1 star rating + 5 star rating == 1 star overall rating? Dec 03 09:41:44 seriously? Dec 03 09:41:56 that's going to kill my app adoption Dec 03 09:46:22 o_O Dec 03 09:46:50 Sounds like someone sucks in math. Big time ;> Dec 03 12:39:50 Hi everybody :) I've got a question concerning /var/luna/data/dbdata/PalmDatabase.db3: Is it possible to access tables from that database from within a webos-app? In a shell-script no problem, but how can I put it's content into a pretty GUI-App? Dec 03 15:20:11 Adora: wake up Dec 03 15:46:00 There is no support for Prototype’s $() function; get elements with methods from Dec 03 15:46:00 the scene or widget controller. Dec 03 15:46:13 in a multistage app? Dec 03 16:54:27 can u use included JS files in app-assistant or not? I have extra js listed before app-assistant in the sources.json but it still does find them? Dec 03 17:00:09 i have 2 laptops, a behometh and a 10" netbook Dec 03 17:00:24 they both have a place, but the 10" netbook sees a lot of use, i love it Dec 03 17:00:35 what os? Dec 03 17:01:12 my big one runs win7 the little guy xp Dec 03 17:01:37 much of my software still requires xp, and will for at least 10 more years :( Dec 03 17:02:08 oh im srry that was ll wrong window :P Dec 03 17:02:26 fits i suppose Dec 03 17:02:53 i was wondering where that conversation started :) Dec 03 17:03:13 i had just joined the channel…. thought he was just chatting away Dec 03 17:03:17 decided to join Dec 03 17:03:28 in another irc channel on another server,b ut only 1 tab to the right of this one Dec 03 17:04:28 eekfuh ran with it and i didn't notice Dec 03 17:18:31 Arrg. I can't create a socket from my Ubuntu VM to my Windows VM. It's closed immediately. Dec 03 17:30:28 chuqui: has Adora made it to her cube yet? Dec 03 17:31:06 hi everybody, can I load a online js from my code? I want to load the google maps api Dec 03 17:31:25 yessir Dec 03 17:31:30 ajax it in Dec 03 17:31:32 eval it Dec 03 17:31:39 boom Dec 03 17:32:20 cool 10x. do you have a link with an example? Dec 03 17:32:47 no but i can do it right here Dec 03 17:33:01 would be awesome Dec 03 17:33:39 x = new Ajax.request("http:///www.urlofjs.com/maps.js" , {onSuccess: function(t){ eval(t.responseText)})}); Dec 03 17:34:03 sweet. 10x a lot man. you saved my day Dec 03 17:36:50 I dunno... it's awfully early.... (grin) Dec 03 17:37:01 chuqui: no kidding Dec 03 17:37:04 * pandora-- needs more coffee Dec 03 17:39:04 no adora. Dec 03 17:39:28 also looks like she hasn't cleaned up after last night's party in her cube... lots of silly string and yellow warning tape again... Dec 03 17:42:12 hello earth - i come in peace Dec 03 17:42:59 chuqui: What do you all do there in API/SDK/Dev Palm world? Dec 03 17:43:33 Your office was a circus car, she has silly string and warning tape.. Dec 03 17:44:00 * dBsooner-work faxes off his Resume that includes "Am seeking a position where I can have fun with the best of them!" Dec 03 17:44:01 from the sounds of it, random felonies Dec 03 17:44:42 Aren't most "random" crimes considered misdemeanor's as they aren't pre-meditated? Dec 03 17:44:43 quote from an old friend: "I refuse to live anywhere where my lifestyle is a felony" (why she turned down a job in Utah, many years ago) Dec 03 17:45:04 lol Dec 03 17:45:40 chuqui: if I submitted an app last wednesday at 1am is it to early for a responcse? Dec 03 17:46:05 LoneStar34: didn't you just hear what they are doing there? They have no time to review your app! :D Dec 03 17:46:42 dBcooper-plane: nope, what is going on? Dec 03 17:47:09 just connected to channel Dec 03 17:47:11 Lonestar -- last wednesday walkd right into the thanksgiving holiday here. so I think yes, but they're working on it. Dec 03 17:47:18 (it: digging out, not necessarily your app) Dec 03 17:47:29 hey chuqui Dec 03 17:47:33 hows it going Dec 03 17:49:10 chuqui: thanks, just getting excited!! Dec 03 17:49:56 my app turns a palm into a big blue supercomputer, lol Dec 03 17:50:12 you stole my diea Dec 03 17:50:14 idea wtf Dec 03 17:51:11 cool! Dec 03 17:52:38 chuqui: Unbiased opinion: Tweed VS Twee VS Bad Kitty? Dec 03 17:52:53 eekfuh: sorry.... Dec 03 17:53:18 he's missing other twitter clients Dec 03 17:53:30 there are others? :D Dec 03 17:53:55 Tweed vs Twee vs Bad Kitty vs Spaz vs Tiny Twitter vs Yak Dec 03 17:54:21 ohh.. Dec 03 17:54:31 Forgot about the older one's. :D Dec 03 17:54:36 Yak is new Dec 03 17:54:41 Tiny Twitter is relatively new Dec 03 17:54:45 Spaz is OLD Dec 03 17:54:55 its as old as Tweed Dec 03 17:54:58 s/'s// Dec 03 17:55:21 I am still torn between Twee and Tweed Dec 03 17:55:36 whats keeping you from one,vs the other Dec 03 17:55:38 I haven't tried Bad Kitty, TT or Yak yet. Dec 03 17:55:52 Nothing really. I just can't decide. LOL. Dec 03 17:56:02 you can have my endorsement Dec 03 17:56:06 lol Dec 03 17:56:21 give it to me. :D Dec 03 17:56:31 the one i developed Dec 03 17:56:33 Twee Dec 03 17:56:37 lol Dec 03 17:56:45 haha Dec 03 17:56:47 TBH, I really really like the UI. Dec 03 17:57:00 is there an "api call" when the device is tilted or shaken, it acts like a submit button? Dec 03 17:57:15 there is a shake api call Dec 03 17:57:26 then you can just write the submit function Dec 03 17:57:27 I just used Tweed from like day 1.. so its like I know where everything is at in it. But I still think Twee is much prettier. Dec 03 17:57:41 i like the way Twee looks personally better Dec 03 17:57:48 meeting time Dec 03 17:57:50 but Tweed definitely has a clean, integrated looking ui Dec 03 17:58:05 eekfuh: need to shake and once shaken, auto submit?? Dec 03 17:58:06 Is there any functionality you have over Tweed? Anything Tweed has over you? Dec 03 17:58:07 i just didn't like their nav that much Dec 03 17:58:18 a few things Dec 03 17:58:25 we have WhatTheTrend Dec 03 17:58:33 which i use a lot, other people dont really Dec 03 17:58:50 in the trends … you can click the ? mark and it will pull up from WhatTheTrend.com why it is trending Dec 03 17:59:25 and they include "nearby" in the free version. Dec 03 17:59:45 which really means nothing to me as I havce bought both. ;) Dec 03 18:00:36 yeah nearby is a cool feature Dec 03 18:00:48 we also image thumbnailing Dec 03 18:01:06 so if you click on a tweet… it will load it and any thumbnails below Dec 03 18:01:15 * dBsooner-work wonders if the Dev folks at Palm (included Dev Relations.. *cough* Adora *cough*) get to write off their AC purchases on their taxes? Or even cahrge them to the Company as a "business expense"? Dec 03 18:01:52 So what's a positive that Tweed has over yours? Dec 03 18:02:08 it has the bigger smaller font stuff Dec 03 18:02:13 you can change the font sizes Dec 03 18:02:14 which is neat Dec 03 18:02:23 Yeah, I do like that. Dec 03 18:02:24 which i will probably add in soon enough Dec 03 18:02:53 their photo posting adds the tweet in the photo post on that site Dec 03 18:03:04 but Twee allows you to put multiple photos in a tweet Dec 03 18:03:06 Ok sir, you have convinced me. I will switch to Twee full time for a while and see if I can get used to the layout. Dec 03 18:04:46 good to hear Dec 03 18:04:47 lol Dec 03 18:05:32 i like the Tweed guys Dec 03 18:05:36 Pivotal are nice people Dec 03 18:05:44 they do however have a ton of developers there Dec 03 18:05:47 Are you still actively pushing stuff to both homebrew and the AC? Dec 03 18:06:01 homebrew is awesome for beta Dec 03 18:06:19 i dont think Twee or Feeds would have such high ratings on the AC Dec 03 18:06:27 if it wasn't for beta users telling me what they want Dec 03 18:06:34 and what things don't work right Dec 03 18:06:43 do you maintain separate packageid's? Dec 03 18:06:50 nope Dec 03 18:07:03 i discontinue on beta when i go to the catalog Dec 03 18:07:11 ahh Dec 03 18:07:12 but new products go to homebrew first Dec 03 18:07:17 Gotcha Dec 03 18:07:22 well meeting Dec 03 18:07:24 brgb Dec 03 18:07:26 so Twee is officially gone from hb Dec 03 18:15:00 if i have some things that need to be available to all my scenes, what's the proper place to put that? Dec 03 18:15:12 js code i mean, variables and functions or whatever Dec 03 18:22:35 do different webos versions have different feeds for the App catalog? Dec 03 18:25:59 dBsooner-work yes Dec 03 18:26:50 so if an app is listed in say.. 1.2.1 doesn't mean it is listed in 1.3.1? Dec 03 18:34:52 i finally got a touchstone Dec 03 18:35:01 even better than i thought Dec 03 18:35:29 dBsooner-work: interesting. If I were to create a homebrew app and then get it added to the catalog, I wouldn't remove it from the homebrew feeds Dec 03 18:35:35 anyone want to test a webservice? the app... is still awaiting approval... Dec 03 18:35:39 woo! my app is in preware (via precentral) and has 34 downloads already! :) Dec 03 18:35:56 yetdog: great! Dec 03 18:36:39 homebrew seems like a cool way to field test releases before submitting them to palm Dec 03 18:36:51 (App is DMB Live Setlist FYI) Dec 03 18:37:00 LoneStar34: what kinda webservice? Dec 03 18:37:26 destinal: I meant to say "No longer udpated in the homebrew feeds, but still available for dl" Dec 03 18:37:44 DMB FTW! Dec 03 18:37:47 * dBsooner-work goes to download Dec 03 18:39:30 dBSooner: a simple url shortener Dec 03 18:44:11 http://uoid.me Dec 03 18:44:17 awesome sooner :) obviously not very useful during the tour offseason, but should be cool once tourtime comes again! Dec 03 18:45:35 LoneStar34, tinyurl.com bit.ly are the ones ive used Dec 03 18:45:42 i use shorter one http://hex.io/ Dec 03 18:46:22 3.ly Dec 03 18:46:33 Winner!!!! Dec 03 18:46:47 dawm: urloid/uoid was created by me, the app is awaiting approval Dec 03 18:57:38 I search the forums and I can't believe the answer (apparently you can't…?) - I want to pause a game when a call comes in. Are there no events to listen for when a call comes in? Anyone dealt with this issue...? Dec 03 18:57:56 deactivateWindow gets called Dec 03 18:59:06 eekfuh: is it an event? Dec 03 18:59:12 yessir Dec 03 18:59:13 I'm not seeing it in the list... Dec 03 18:59:19 give me a sec Dec 03 18:59:23 i'll give you some sample code Dec 03 18:59:30 k Dec 03 18:59:49 I was looking here: http://developer.palm.com/palm-sdk/jsdoc/symbols/Mojo.Event.html Dec 03 19:00:18 so my naming was wrong Dec 03 19:00:19 Mojo.Event.listen(this.controller.stageController.document , Mojo.Event.stageDeactivate, this._deactivateWindow); Dec 03 19:00:56 that ALSO happens when someone clicks the button to go to the card mode Dec 03 19:00:56 where you can see all the cards and swipe up to kill Dec 03 19:00:56 yeah Dec 03 19:00:57 that isn't called until they answer the phone call... Dec 03 19:00:57 kind of lame Dec 03 19:01:01 really? Dec 03 19:01:03 yeah Dec 03 19:01:08 that is a bug Dec 03 19:01:10 absolute bug Dec 03 19:01:14 report it Dec 03 19:01:15 yep Dec 03 19:01:20 its already in the forums Dec 03 19:02:38 no one else has come up with a workaround? is anything called right when a call comes in…? anyone, anyone? Dec 03 19:02:55 hmmm Dec 03 19:02:58 thinking of other ways Dec 03 19:03:03 does deactivate get called? Dec 03 19:04:09 anyone know the name of the shake api? Dec 03 19:04:52 https://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1554 Dec 03 19:04:54 just tested on the zombie game, even that doesn't pause until you answer the call…BUG! Dec 03 19:07:20 eekfuh: thanks! Dec 03 19:07:39 how can one emulate a shake on the emulator? Dec 03 19:08:03 not sure yet Dec 03 19:08:10 i have to test all my landsape mode stuff on the device Dec 03 19:08:16 good question Dec 03 19:08:21 maybe someone else here knows Dec 03 19:17:47 natenrb9, you can catch the event if you look for resize Dec 03 19:17:52 when a call comes in the card resizes Dec 03 19:18:06 dawm: I was actually looking for something like that Dec 03 19:18:18 what is the resize even called? Dec 03 19:18:20 let me verify for sure tho (booting the emu) Dec 03 19:18:51 event Dec 03 19:19:02 what is the resize event called? Dec 03 19:21:11 hold on Dec 03 19:21:37 damn Dec 03 19:21:42 i thought i nailed all the bugs Dec 03 19:21:46 thanks to you i have a new one Dec 03 19:21:52 lol Dec 03 19:22:03 so resize doesn't work? Dec 03 19:22:25 http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=333 Dec 03 19:22:28 yeah it does Dec 03 19:22:28 I thought resize called deactivate.... Dec 03 19:22:35 but i dont have my resize function set to pause Dec 03 19:22:41 nope Dec 03 19:23:13 heh thats something my reviewer didnt notice.. recieving a call doesnt pause the game.. gonna have to fix that Dec 03 19:23:43 a call ceertainly triggers the resize event, in that post Dec 03 19:23:52 and by golly none of my games pause on that either. Dec 03 19:23:53 :-( Dec 03 19:24:01 the resize event is triggered when the card resizes (notifcations, and new call) Dec 03 19:24:05 rick_work: what are your games? Dec 03 19:24:17 reversi, pegged, snowglobe Dec 03 19:24:32 who does the zombie games? tested on that and it doesn't pause (until you answer the call…) Dec 03 19:24:37 my issue was i needed to resize my game board if a notification popped up to support the pixi (on the pixi my game board gets blocked on a notification) Dec 03 19:24:58 thanks natenrb9 :) one less bug to worry about now Dec 03 19:25:01 dawm: one thing you can do is fullscreen mode Dec 03 19:25:10 i dont want fullscreen heh Dec 03 19:25:13 fullscreen mode sucks Dec 03 19:25:17 ah Dec 03 19:25:19 My stuff USES notifications Dec 03 19:25:26 my game needs fullscreen Dec 03 19:26:28 immovable object, meet irresistable force Dec 03 19:26:50 mousey: is that for us? Dec 03 19:26:54 lol Dec 03 19:26:56 ^_^ Dec 03 19:27:41 dawm: how do you simulate a call in the emu? Dec 03 19:27:48 luna-send Dec 03 19:28:02 huh? Dec 03 19:28:05 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1662 Dec 03 19:28:23 argh.. now the game pauses on notifications .. Dec 03 19:28:40 cool Dec 03 19:28:41 guess ill have to detect the amount of the resize Dec 03 19:28:54 since a new call is much larger than a notification Dec 03 19:29:18 the luna-send stuff is built into the komodo addon, but you can do it from the cmd line too Dec 03 19:31:01 how do you do it from the cmd line? Dec 03 19:31:18 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1662 Dec 03 19:31:36 luna-send isnt in the app Dec 03 19:31:39 lol, yeah, I'm there Dec 03 19:31:40 its part of the sdk Dec 03 19:31:56 like palm-log palm-install palm-package ..etc Dec 03 19:32:25 right Dec 03 19:32:27 I have the sdk Dec 03 19:32:37 do all that other stuff through the cmd line Dec 03 19:32:48 but the luna-send just gave me an error? Dec 03 19:32:50 luna-send is a command on the phone Dec 03 19:33:02 you have to novaterm into the emulator/device to use it. Dec 03 19:33:14 oh doh Dec 03 19:33:21 misread commandline and didnt see novaterm/ssh Dec 03 19:33:35 i use it thru the komodo addon Dec 03 19:33:55 ah, got it Dec 03 19:34:12 dude - go Komodo Web-OS Add-on... it is the super easy way Dec 03 19:34:15 just had to enter novaterm and hit enter into the cmd line first Dec 03 19:34:22 then the luna-send Dec 03 19:34:25 thanks Dec 03 19:34:48 Komodo Add-on - what does it add-on to? Dec 03 19:34:52 virtualbox? Dec 03 19:35:15 to the free komodo editor Dec 03 19:35:24 oh Dec 03 19:35:26 komodo is a ide Dec 03 19:35:36 do they have a mac version? Dec 03 19:35:36 turns the free komodo editor into a full blown Mojo / Luna / WebOS ide. Dec 03 19:35:41 yeah Dec 03 19:35:41 it's cross platform Dec 03 19:35:54 hmmm, interesting, I'll check it out! Dec 03 19:36:10 I use jedit and the terminal right now Dec 03 19:36:18 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Komodo Dec 03 19:36:21 sweet Dec 03 19:36:24 really, check it out Dec 03 19:36:25 fixed ;D Dec 03 19:36:40 rick_work: will do Dec 03 19:37:05 now to test on the pixiemu Dec 03 19:38:20 dawm: what are the resize event parameters? Dec 03 19:38:57 you mean in the function? Dec 03 19:39:02 that gets called Dec 03 19:39:12 yeah Dec 03 19:39:18 there are none Dec 03 19:39:37 no if it is getting bigger or smaller type parameters? Dec 03 19:39:44 no you have to figure that out yourself Dec 03 19:40:00 how did you listen for the amount of size change? Dec 03 19:40:41 fullscreen? Dec 03 19:41:15 how did you differentiate between a text notification and an incoming call? Dec 03 19:41:29 on the pre480-this.controller.window.innerHeight will give you the difference changed Dec 03 19:41:32 er Dec 03 19:41:46 pre480? Dec 03 19:41:47 i just have a if statement on the difference Dec 03 19:41:54 sorry was talkign to someoen else in the middle of typing Dec 03 19:42:02 on the pre: 480-this.controller.window.innerHeight = difference changed Dec 03 19:42:08 on the pixi: 400-this.controller.window.innerHeight Dec 03 19:42:24 i checked the difference to see if it was a new call or notification Dec 03 19:42:27 cool, thanks! Dec 03 19:42:32 new call is 53px Dec 03 19:42:42 atleast on my app Dec 03 19:43:03 just setup a Mojo.Log.error() in your resize function and have it spit out the this.controller.window.innerHeight Dec 03 19:43:13 not sure if your code reflects it, but it is different if the caller has a photo or not Dec 03 19:43:14 then you can see how the height changes Dec 03 19:43:33 i have if (diff >= 53) { } Dec 03 19:43:39 cool Dec 03 19:43:51 should work Dec 03 19:44:13 say you have somethign that needs to be resized that is a % Dec 03 19:44:20 you can use element.offsetHeight Dec 03 19:44:29 which will give you the actual pixel count instead of a % Dec 03 19:48:00 my resize event isn't working... Dec 03 19:48:22 I wonder if it doesn't get called on fullscreen mode... Dec 03 19:48:23 i didnt use the exact code Dec 03 19:48:35 i changed the Mojo.event crap to this.controller Dec 03 19:48:51 this.resizeHandler = this.resizePieces.bindAsEventListener(this); Dec 03 19:48:51 this.controller.listen(this.controller.window, 'resize', this.resizeHandler, false); Dec 03 19:52:27 lame, doesn't get called if you are using fullscreen mode... Dec 03 19:52:39 odd Dec 03 19:52:55 turned off fullscreen and it worked perfectly.l.. Dec 03 19:54:37 so close... Dec 03 19:58:58 Make sure to add a note somewhere on webos101.com about that. Dec 03 20:04:35 dawm: I don't understand why resize isn't called with fullscreen enabled…it is resizing...lame Dec 03 20:04:48 i have no idea man Dec 03 20:04:58 maybe they didnt think to allow it Dec 03 20:12:04 wel natenrb9 i added that code to webos101.com incase anyone else is looking for it Dec 03 20:12:05 http://www.webos101.com/Mojo.Event_-_Detect_Card_Resize Dec 03 20:12:17 dawm: cool Dec 03 20:12:34 also added the minimize code Dec 03 20:12:35 did you put a note that it does not work with fullscreen mode? Dec 03 20:12:41 i sure did Dec 03 20:12:59 Note: this appears to not work if the app is fullscreen Dec 03 20:13:12 chuqui: can you point some people to this forum topic: http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=333&p=13388#p13388 Dec 03 20:19:38 is chuqui around? Dec 03 20:28:19 http://www.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/dmb-live-setlist wooooooo :) Dec 03 20:28:30 sorry gang - just super excited and proud! Dec 03 20:44:39 Question about installing the emulator in VirtualBox. Dec 03 20:45:30 AtomicPlayboy: just ask and someone will probably answer eventually Dec 03 20:45:37 I'm in Windows 7, virtualbox 3.1.0. Dec 03 20:46:08 and virtual box is giving you an error when you are running palm-emulator? Dec 03 20:46:11 I run the "Palm Emulator" link which calls the palm-emulator.bat file and loads the VM generator. Dec 03 20:46:15 Yes. Dec 03 20:46:22 downgrade to vb 3.0.10 Dec 03 20:46:27 It can't use -bioslogofade Dec 03 20:46:32 It requires --bioslogofade Dec 03 20:46:45 Crap, I have to use the old version? Dec 03 20:47:10 i think you might be able to edit the bat file, but im not sure. Dec 03 20:47:27 Whatever command is being run isn't in the .bat file, it's in the JAR it calls. Dec 03 20:47:29 i downgraded it. also, had to delete the .virtualbox folder. Dec 03 20:47:39 AtomicPlayboy: then yes, you have to downgrade for now. Dec 03 20:47:52 I can't find where the command is in the JAR file to edit it though. Dec 03 20:47:55 you could also possibly just install them side-by-side if you need 3.1.0 Dec 03 20:48:17 i wouldnt recommend editing the jar Dec 03 20:48:17 I don't really need it, I just like to keep up on versions. Dec 03 20:48:37 Then someone should fix that. *hint hint wink wink* Dec 03 20:48:42 im sure the sdk will be updated to support 3.1.0 when it updates next. probably with 1.3.5 Dec 03 20:48:51 That'd be nice. Dec 03 20:49:25 seen alot of problems with windows 7, emulator, and virtualbox Dec 03 20:49:56 I never ran it on Win7 before, I used 3.0.x on Mac OS X. Dec 03 20:50:07 This is my first time, but I'm using 3.1 instead of 3.0.x Dec 03 20:50:34 emulator will not work on 3.1 Dec 03 20:50:40 emulator has problems on 3.0.12 Dec 03 20:50:44 works fine on 3.0.10 Dec 03 20:50:50 do NOT upgrade past 3.0.10 for now Dec 03 20:51:06 Okay. Dec 03 20:51:17 3.0.10 it is. Dec 03 20:51:28 yeah, hopefully 1.3.5 emulator will work with 3.1.0 Dec 03 20:52:41 nope Dec 03 20:52:53 explicitly spec'ed in the pre-release sdk Dec 03 20:53:11 Rick_work: it wont work with 3.1.0? Dec 03 20:53:19 nope Dec 03 20:53:23 Rick_work: Will any of them work with 3.1.0? Ever? Dec 03 20:53:24 3.0.10 Dec 03 20:53:27 that sucks Dec 03 20:53:43 AtomicPlayboy not at the present time. Ever is a long time Dec 03 20:53:54 So until further notice. Dec 03 20:54:19 is there a specific reason? or just dont want to waste time on that atm? Dec 03 20:55:38 lemketron is busy doing other stuff. Dec 03 20:56:55 ok. thats a good reason, lol. definitely more important things, im sure Dec 03 20:58:30 lemketron is the maintainer for the SDK? Dec 03 20:58:36 Or the Emu at least? Dec 03 20:58:46 Lemketron is the guy behind the emu Dec 03 21:03:48 Cool, I'll bug him when he isn't busy. Dec 03 21:04:05 Running on 3.0.10 now. Dec 03 21:09:31 AtomicPlayboy steve.lemke@palm.com Dec 03 21:44:18 is there a difference between the emu and the device as far as timeout callbacks? Dec 03 21:45:49 i can get them to work in the emu but not on the device.. Dec 03 21:46:18 bbmyers, I have not seen any differences Dec 03 21:46:41 did u use "at" or "in" timers? Dec 03 21:46:50 both Dec 03 21:47:11 bbmyers: I use them a ton in my current app I am developing and they seem to work the same in both Dec 03 21:47:41 is there a minimum "in" time for the device? Dec 03 21:47:49 i tried 5 minutes Dec 03 21:48:39 bbmyers: oh wait, I am using setTimeout…I think you are talking about something else...whoops Dec 03 21:48:58 bbmyers, 5 minutes Dec 03 21:49:23 but it is the same for both device and emu Dec 03 21:49:36 has to be greater than 5 minutes or a minimum of 5 minutes? Dec 03 21:49:56 i use setInterval Dec 03 21:50:10 i am using new Mojo.Service.Request("palm://com.palm.power/timeout" Dec 03 21:50:25 to give me a launchparam if my app isnt running Dec 03 21:50:31 ok that clears it up alot Dec 03 21:50:44 bbmyers, it can't be less than 5 minutes. Dec 03 21:51:03 it will actually throw an error if it is less than 5 Dec 03 21:51:11 i tried 5 and it worked on the emu. i guess i'll try 6 minutes Dec 03 21:51:52 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1584 Dec 03 21:52:14 for 'in' its a minimum alarm time is "00:05:00" 5 minutes Dec 03 21:53:13 i will try that. thanks! Dec 03 22:19:02 in adora in? Dec 03 22:19:07 is adora in? Dec 03 22:19:22 dont think so Dec 03 22:47:25 hrm.. Dec 03 23:07:59 natenrb9: Adora is -out- this week, she was just a fad. Dec 03 23:08:13 yeah Dec 03 23:08:17 her shoes totally don't go with her bag Dec 03 23:08:22 the whole look is soooooooooo last season Dec 03 23:10:30 adora: did you get the message I sent you? Dec 03 23:11:07 yeah, but then I saw a message that you quit Dec 03 23:11:09 didn't know you were back Dec 03 23:11:11 answering... Dec 03 23:11:22 cool Dec 03 23:12:21 Anyone know if the pre supports midi files? Dec 03 23:14:36 hiya Dec 03 23:15:20 CTLAdvance-work, I got a "no handler" for the mid file I just downloaded. But I wonder if it will let me set it as a ring tone. Dec 03 23:16:30 nope. It doesn't see it. So my guess it no midi support. Dec 03 23:22:43 I sex you today. Dec 03 23:23:16 At the speed of light, I sex you in a few thousand years. Dec 03 23:27:27 not sure, I just converted my file to mp3 Dec 03 23:27:29 no biggy Dec 03 23:27:35 cool news: http://www.precentral.net/admob-reveals-open-source-ads-sdk-webos Dec 03 23:27:57 yeah Dec 03 23:28:09 But those of us who wanted it already had it Dec 03 23:28:26 :) Dec 03 23:28:35 However the new banner ad is better Dec 03 23:29:02 well there you go mr. downer Dec 03 23:29:08 :) Dec 03 23:29:36 hah Dec 03 23:29:57 Its still better then what I have now, I wonder howthe fill rate on their js file is Dec 03 23:30:39 Mine is between 65 and 70% fill rate Dec 03 23:31:59 Hey everyone, new to the whole IRC thing, just wanted to say hi Dec 03 23:32:11 hi webOSroundup Dec 03 23:32:23 hello webOSroundup Dec 03 23:32:41 so everyone here is a webOS developer? Dec 03 23:33:24 pretty much, then after hours we sell tricks Dec 03 23:33:32 sweet Dec 03 23:34:11 there is a lot less chatting here than I expected considering there are so many people in the room Dec 03 23:34:21 you want after hour tricks we got an app for that. Dec 03 23:34:46 isn't that phrase copyrighted by another company :P Dec 03 23:34:53 The chatting goes it flurries. Someone says "How do i..." and away we go. Dec 03 23:34:58 ah Dec 03 23:35:23 I think there already is an app for that...its called craig's list Dec 03 23:35:35 very true Dec 03 23:35:48 good ole craigslist Dec 03 23:36:01 that place creeps me out...dunno why Dec 03 23:37:47 hey webOSroundup i added a link to your site from mine, someone suggested that i should :P Dec 03 23:37:54 anyone done any loading of large json via ajax? Dec 03 23:38:09 hehe...you must know Jordan dawm Dec 03 23:38:13 i do Dec 03 23:38:30 he has been very helpful getting my site's name out there Dec 03 23:38:41 site looks great btw Dec 03 23:38:46 thank you Dec 03 23:39:01 a labor of love...emphasis on labor Dec 03 23:39:13 has a palm feel to it Dec 03 23:39:18 that was the goal Dec 03 23:39:23 i had to scroll to the bottom to see if it was a palm site Dec 03 23:39:26 with the fade-in and the logo Dec 03 23:39:29 but i saw no palm copytext :P Dec 03 23:39:41 AnOutsider: yeah, using http://bas.buildasearch.com/xml/buyandselljeans?e=jeans "is that alot of data"? Dec 03 23:39:41 I should probably note that it isn't at the bottom so people won't get confused Dec 03 23:40:05 not in relation no ;) Dec 03 23:40:12 I'm loading a 3.6 MB file Dec 03 23:40:42 AnOutsider: oh, is it coming from a web service? Dec 03 23:43:45 yep, discovered something since posting though Dec 03 23:43:57 I've tried gzipping the data to make it come in faster, doesnt work Dec 03 23:43:58 webOSroundup: was on your site yesterday, it is very nice and the topple games looks sweet Dec 03 23:44:10 thanks LoneStar Dec 03 23:44:10 if I load the same 3.6MB file locally (i.e. include it in my app) it works fine Dec 03 23:44:28 that has been my favorite game I have reviewed or played on my pre so far Dec 03 23:44:43 Josh Bilderbak did a great job with that one Dec 03 23:45:00 hey webOSroundup , was watching one of your review videos and the way you say webOS is a bid odd.. its web O.S. not webos Dec 03 23:45:13 webOSroundup: YOU Dec 03 23:45:20 @dawn haha Dec 03 23:45:22 YOU"RE THE GUY WHO DRIVES ME NUTS WITH TOPPLE BALL Dec 03 23:45:28 ?? Dec 03 23:45:31 AnOutsider: even a computer running 4 gigs of ram would have take a while opening 3+ MB of JSON Dec 03 23:45:38 how many records? Dec 03 23:45:40 level 20 Dec 03 23:45:41 I drive you nuts? Dec 03 23:45:44 is CRAZYSAUCE Dec 03 23:45:48 but I finally beat it Dec 03 23:45:52 so you bought it after my review? Dec 03 23:45:53 adora, hes not the dev Dec 03 23:46:06 nope...not the dev...just a reviewer Dec 03 23:46:12 it is crack in a phone though Dec 03 23:46:18 * Adora carefully reads the about blurb for webosroundup.com Dec 03 23:46:19 ahem. Dec 03 23:46:25 my sincere apologies Dec 03 23:46:28 heh Dec 03 23:46:29 no worries Dec 03 23:46:42 so...it is web O.S.? Man...I feel stupid Dec 03 23:46:43 still, that game is too addictive Dec 03 23:46:47 but yeah, you gotta say webOS properly in your reviews Dec 03 23:46:59 toppleball rawks Dec 03 23:47:09 calling the site web O.S. roundup seems odd though Dec 03 23:47:22 only when you say it aloud Dec 03 23:47:27 its still webOS Roundup Dec 03 23:47:27 is the creator of the Sports Calendar around? Dec 03 23:47:27 wee-baws Dec 03 23:47:47 sure...but I introduce my site with each review... Dec 03 23:47:53 Hey david! Dec 03 23:47:54 i know :( Dec 03 23:47:56 calling it web O.S. roundup seems odd Dec 03 23:48:04 hey Jordan Dec 03 23:48:07 but thats how it should be heh Dec 03 23:48:16 dawm: agreed Dec 03 23:48:21 web aws sounds weirder Dec 03 23:48:24 your friend is taking me to task for saying webos rather than web O.S. Dec 03 23:48:37 @LoneStar34 only 1,000 objects (the file is 414kb gzipped), but like I said, it's odd that if I include the .json file in the app's directory and do a local ajax request, it loads up pretty much instantly Dec 03 23:48:45 via a web request, the emulator just locks up Dec 03 23:49:12 anyone know who the dev of Sports Calendar is? Dec 03 23:49:27 it's web O.S. Dec 03 23:49:32 not webaws Dec 03 23:49:33 AnOutsider: what about limiting the data Dec 03 23:49:39 I was going to talk to you about that Dec 03 23:49:44 do you need all 1000 at once? Dec 03 23:49:48 The one thing that kind of bugged me Dec 03 23:50:48 hey kesne, we found a bug in swapndrop the reviewer didnt find, or didnt think was an issue Dec 03 23:50:51 technically isnt it webOS O.S. Dec 03 23:50:52 funny...everyone I have heard say it outloud says web aws Dec 03 23:51:14 And what is that? Dec 03 23:51:21 I say web O.S. Dec 03 23:51:22 game didnt pause when a call came in Dec 03 23:51:38 ah Dec 03 23:51:46 mine never pauses Dec 03 23:51:51 natenrb9, brought that to my attention unknownly heh Dec 03 23:52:01 webOSroundup: http://www.youtube.com/user/predevcamp Dec 03 23:52:11 dawm: lol, and still can't fix mine because of the fullscreen bug... Dec 03 23:52:23 heh i know.. sucks for you Dec 03 23:53:10 does anyone know where I can find an example of how to have a dashboard work on the lock screen. I've looked at the music and phone apps and have implemented the code the use,but that doesn't seem to work. Dec 03 23:53:13 bah...well if mitch allen says it...then I am just an idiot Dec 03 23:53:19 heh Dec 03 23:53:21 Adora: You guys should 'pimp' webOSroundup Dec 03 23:53:26 so I make good looking sites and I am an idiot Dec 03 23:53:27 thats why the O and S are capitalized Dec 03 23:53:51 I knew what it stood for...just had heard it the other way mostly Dec 03 23:53:54 webOSroundup, im sorry for noticing :( Dec 03 23:54:01 kesne: I totally will once this weeboss issue is resolved Dec 03 23:54:07 no no...better 8 reviews in then 800 Dec 03 23:54:15 yep Dec 03 23:54:37 hopefully no one will say...this site blows...he can't pronounce the word correctly :P Dec 03 23:54:38 Adora: so you guys won't pimp him until he doesnt not say web aws Dec 03 23:54:47 what is the ipHone OS called? "iPhone OS"? Dec 03 23:55:03 hj00000001, there is a chance it is API calls that are not yet supported. try changing your app ID to com.palm.app.whatever and see if it starts to work Dec 03 23:55:05 webOSroundup: I think you'll be forgiven Dec 03 23:55:14 I will correct this issue tonight...just watch my next review :P Dec 03 23:55:16 because this is great info Dec 03 23:55:47 or Snow Leopard Mobile OS or short snowLMOS Dec 03 23:56:31 couse there was DOS :P Dec 03 23:56:32 webOSroundup: do you have a twitter account? Dec 03 23:56:39 yes @webosroundup Dec 03 23:58:01 feel free to sign up :P Dec 03 23:58:17 following, and I put you on my webOS community list Dec 03 23:58:27 it is interesting how twitter has taken the place of RSS in a lot of cases Dec 03 23:58:36 thank you Dec 03 23:58:38 !! Dec 03 23:58:49 it is hard to get the word out on a new site Dec 03 23:58:56 lots of noise...little signal Dec 03 23:59:07 webOSroundup: your site is missing a Favicon Dec 03 23:59:15 yup, I need to add one of those Dec 03 23:59:20 great design and great content will promote itself Dec 03 23:59:53 most people think the design is nice, but dunno about the content. The author is a quack Dec 03 23:59:54 :D Dec 03 23:59:54 heck, I'm gonna tweet it now Dec 04 00:00:23 hrm.. my app has been 'being reviewed' all damn day.. seriously now .. hurry up :P Dec 04 00:00:34 which app is yours? Dec 04 00:00:44 Swap & Drop (previously PreJeweled) Dec 04 00:00:56 is that on the App Catalog? Dec 04 00:01:05 awaiting approval Dec 04 00:01:17 shoot me an email, I will add it to my list if you want Dec 04 00:01:46 and I will try to speak clearly :D Dec 04 00:01:51 lol Dec 04 00:01:52 Yeah, when I get my app(s) submitted, I'll probably email you for a review, if that's okay Dec 04 00:02:10 i need your email :P Dec 04 00:02:13 please do...it doesn't have to be on the catalog, just the final version Dec 04 00:02:25 so I can compare apples to apples Dec 04 00:02:32 david@webosroundup.com Dec 04 00:02:38 Yeah. I wont make you pay :) Dec 04 00:02:43 ill send the latest version your way Dec 04 00:02:46 I have bought most of the apps Dec 04 00:02:57 my review budget is shot for the month :P Dec 04 00:03:06 Well maybe I'll make you pay if you give it a bad review... hahahah Dec 04 00:03:07 but most devs are starting to send me the IPKs now Dec 04 00:03:23 hehe...I make no promises except that it will be fair and honest :D Dec 04 00:03:33 just ask jordan Dec 04 00:03:42 his perfect bounce got a whuppin Dec 04 00:03:49 but I loved his checkers implementation Dec 04 00:03:49 heh. oops Dec 04 00:04:18 topple ball will be hard to beat though Dec 04 00:04:27 crack in a can that one is Dec 04 00:04:50 Well mine's not a game, so I should be okay Dec 04 00:05:10 I'll shoot you an email when ready Dec 04 00:05:20 sounds great Dec 04 00:05:23 looking forward to it Dec 04 00:05:50 webOSroundup: added to twitter I'm @urloid and @buildasearch Dec 04 00:05:58 sweet Dec 04 00:06:00 nice to meet you Dec 04 00:06:08 Rick_work: thanks. Dec 04 00:06:13 I want my Topple Ball back!! :( Dec 04 00:06:15 ...and he's not here. Dec 04 00:06:26 Adora: ! Gimme! Dec 04 00:06:48 rwhitby: You around? Dec 04 00:07:00 yup Dec 04 00:07:20 speaking of tricks, watching old skool Cops Dec 04 00:07:29 Is anybody working on a patch to enable generic (non-Google) XMPP? Dec 04 00:07:34 does anyone know how to toggle visibility of dividers in lists? Dec 04 00:07:37 webOSroundup: is your personal account @dbax? Dec 04 00:07:51 yes Dec 04 00:07:56 wait no Dec 04 00:08:01 @davidbbaxter Dec 04 00:08:11 but I RARELY post there Dec 04 00:08:13 I just wanna make sure this is clear that this is a community site and not a palm one Dec 04 00:08:24 ?? Dec 04 00:08:49 I'm a palm employee, so I have to be careful with what I promote sometimes =] Dec 04 00:08:56 bryanroth, are you talking about the
between each block? Dec 04 00:09:03 Don't you promote like, everything? Dec 04 00:09:05 Adora: It's pretty clear :P Dec 04 00:09:10 ah Dec 04 00:09:11 i am a palm shareholder Dec 04 00:09:16 didn't know you were a palm employee Dec 04 00:09:18 nice to meet you Dec 04 00:09:20 dBsooner-work: stfu :) Dec 04 00:09:26 Adora: make me Dec 04 00:09:32 lyht: yeah Dec 04 00:09:35 Adora: /ignore Dec 04 00:09:38 :D Dec 04 00:09:38 wish i would have been in december Dec 04 00:09:40 (I kid.) Dec 04 00:09:49 webOSroundup, youve got mail Dec 04 00:10:01 ARg Dec 04 00:10:10 tom hanks and the blonde gal Dec 04 00:10:11 hmm...hasn't gotten to me yet Dec 04 00:10:12 I just had to cancel my everythingpre.com ads Dec 04 00:10:15 too expensive Dec 04 00:10:24 CPM is rough Dec 04 00:10:27 lyht: i'm trying to set the dividerTemplate of the list to "" but it ends up using the default dividerTemplate provided by the Mojo framework Dec 04 00:10:28 Indeed Dec 04 00:10:47 Maybe I could afford it if I'd been paid Dec 04 00:10:54 .... Dec 04 00:11:04 Dec 04 00:11:19 Nice pic on your twitter Adora Dec 04 00:11:21 bryanroth, I have not played with it a ton, but what happens if instead of
you do
? Dec 04 00:11:29 hehhe, thx Dec 04 00:11:34 I'm ready to change it, though Dec 04 00:11:40 but I don't have anything good to change it to Dec 04 00:11:45 ooook, i need to start workin on this html-db stuff. Dec 04 00:11:47 I feel as though I have seen it before... Dec 04 00:11:53 can't remember where Dec 04 00:12:01 is it pretty straight forward? the html-db stuff? Dec 04 00:12:01 Adora: anything of you is good... *applauds self* Dec 04 00:12:02 @LoneStar34 sorry got distracted. No, I don't really, but it's still weird that it works locally. Also, the dataset is actually 56,000 entries, so I'm just playing with a small subset Dec 04 00:12:21 lyht: oh, I'm talking about the dividerTemplate (the line that divides list items with a blue divider) Dec 04 00:12:49 I will be on later this evening...it was nice meeting you all. Spread the word www.webosroundup.com Dec 04 00:13:44 AnOutsider: are the entries coming from a database? Dec 04 00:14:03 oh... I was talking about each row in a palm-list... Yah, I have not played with the dividerTemplate at all. Dec 04 00:14:04 Has anyone here submitted an app to the app store ? Dec 04 00:14:25 joez, many if not all have. Dec 04 00:14:29 is it ossible to make a video player that can play all formats or don't developers have access do that Dec 04 00:15:02 cool, lyht, there is a submission portal, right? do you happen to have the url for it ? Dec 04 00:15:10 rasstar, we dont have access Dec 04 00:15:36 joez, go to developer.palm.com. Links for signing up should be found there,. Dec 04 00:16:19 joez you have to become a member of the community first. Dec 04 00:16:47 Then follow the guidlines on https://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1796 Dec 04 00:17:07 oh... I already have an account in developer.palm.com... is the account tied to submissions ? Dec 04 00:17:20 it will be, yes. Dec 04 00:17:37 They will just upgrade your account. Dec 04 00:17:41 joez: you gotta email in your first app, and then be approved as a developer Dec 04 00:17:54 ah, gotcha.... thanks a lot guys Dec 04 00:18:00 just follow the instructions on the site Dec 04 00:18:06 more info will come to you in email Dec 04 00:18:54 * AtomicPlayboy goes back into hiding. Dec 04 00:22:48 do you think palm will ever give developers the access to make something like a video player Dec 04 00:23:28 how many people here are obfuscating their code when submitting apps? Dec 04 00:23:31 rasstar: I think they will make it themselves Dec 04 00:23:58 @bryanroth: I may Dec 04 00:24:21 how limited is developer access? Dec 04 00:25:07 compared to windows mobile Dec 04 00:26:57 any palm people on here? Dec 04 00:27:36 bryanroth: palm is doing 'some' to protect us Dec 04 00:27:42 especially with 1.3.5 Dec 04 00:28:01 pandora--: oh really Dec 04 00:28:18 rasstar, they will give us as much as they can, but they are trying to be careful in how they do it to keep the apps as stable as possible. There are still a fair bit of limits... you really can't do hard-core stuff like dealing binary files, direct IO access, etc. Dec 04 00:28:54 bryanroth, yah, 1.3.5 will encrypt the app directory when connected to USB. Dec 04 00:29:22 lyht: wow, didn't know this Dec 04 00:29:36 lyht: that's reassuring, because obfuscating is a pain Dec 04 00:29:39 however, people will still be able to use terminal on the phone to copy the app over to some place else, and then grab it. Dec 04 00:29:41 haha Dec 04 00:29:49 hrm wii has a motion capture game now Dec 04 00:29:54 lyht: true Dec 04 00:29:58 in regards to video motion capture Dec 04 00:29:59 one thing i don't like about the pre is using usb mode to transfer files. Dec 04 00:30:18 rasstar, true. Would be nice to be able to do it over bluetooth. Dec 04 00:30:35 If you are not afraid of getting into the phone, it is possible to set it up to do it over wifi. Dec 04 00:31:27 is the pre bluetooth capable of file transfer? Dec 04 00:31:45 I am sure the hardware is... but they just dont support it in software yet. Dec 04 00:32:01 I would bet it shows up in an update one of these days. Dec 04 00:33:09 i think it only supports OBEX for vcard exchange at the moment Dec 04 00:33:16 which, annoys me Dec 04 00:37:38 anyone else tried to use moto s9 headphones Dec 04 00:37:41 w/ pre/pixi Dec 04 00:37:51 i can only get it to work for music :[ Dec 04 00:42:20 nopes Dec 04 00:42:44 heh funny though, i had my Pre plugged into my car's mp3 jack Dec 04 00:42:54 I got a phone call and heard them answering in my car speakers Dec 04 00:43:20 but the Pre thought it was a "real" headset, so it cut off the mic on the device itself so i couldn't talk to them until i unplugged it Dec 04 00:46:14 anybody know if the emulator can mimic shaking events? Dec 04 00:46:21 lol i dont think so ;[ Dec 04 00:46:49 but its easy Dec 04 00:47:00 just test whatever code ur using inside the event, make sure that works Dec 04 00:47:11 and it should be no prob, ill test on device if u want too Dec 04 00:48:00 droO: i do not have the event setup but will have it in a few days Dec 04 00:49:09 just test the actual code you want to run during shake event Dec 04 00:49:17 and then u can send to me & ill test on device if u want Dec 04 00:49:45 unless theres someway to do it on emu im not aware of ;o Dec 04 00:50:20 can u access the accelerometer via the linux command line? Dec 04 00:50:38 i would think it if were possible at all, it Dec 04 00:50:48 ..it'd be handled that way Dec 04 00:52:20 but how do you emulate the actual shake event on the device Dec 04 00:52:20 ;o Dec 04 00:52:43 droO: just want a user to have the option of clicking a button or shaking and either causes a submit... Dec 04 00:53:00 yea, i understand Dec 04 00:54:06 droO: so I would place what ever submit command inbetween the start shake and end shake? right? Dec 04 01:04:56 If you write it, users will come... Dec 04 01:07:17 @LoneStar34 oddly enough, I solved it by doing my AJAX request, and then omitting the evalJSON line and manually evalJSON-ing the responseText Dec 04 01:07:23 for whatever reason,t hat did it Dec 04 01:17:04 everybody go here http://is.gd/56qn7 and nominate the Palm Pre for the best new gadget Crunchie Dec 04 01:22:09 anybody have the webos komodo plugin .xpi file? the link to it is giving an error... Dec 04 01:23:11 how tall if the cmd menu Dec 04 01:23:16 dawm: you were telling me about komodo right? do you have it? Dec 04 01:23:33 natenrb9: Templarian made it, so I'd ask him. :) Dec 04 01:25:14 natenrb9: my server went down Dec 04 01:25:20 I'm looking into it. Dec 04 01:25:43 man I love this chat group, everyone you ever need to talk to, lol Dec 04 01:25:46 nice Dec 04 01:25:52 thanks, templarian Dec 04 01:26:32 AnOutsider: was cooking dinner, what do you mean manually evalJSON? Dec 04 01:27:44 natenrb9: I'll get you the direct link one sec Dec 04 01:28:52 http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/566/comparea.png look at this image. We need feedback on the idea. Dec 04 01:29:41 here is a google doc with all the mojo css references http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AhAiL3QHGwxfdEQ3M2UyckFrN0pQZlZ5NUw0SmZ0NlE&hl=en Dec 04 01:30:19 natenrb9: http://templarian.com/addon/webos/webos-0.4.2b2-ko.xpi Dec 04 01:30:30 templarian: you just want opinions on the Idea 1 logo? Dec 04 01:30:40 Yea. Dec 04 01:30:43 Templarian: I like the first one Dec 04 01:31:36 natenrb9: I prefer the first Dec 04 01:31:43 I prefer the graphic on the second, but why #? Dec 04 01:31:44 Old that is Dec 04 01:31:53 Templarian: I'm some what partial to the wIRC one. Dec 04 01:32:11 Templarian: #1 is kewler! Dec 04 01:32:26 That's what the general idea was we just wanted to make sure people were happy with it. Dec 04 01:33:07 Yeah, it makes more sense to tell people you're using "wirk" instead of "pound". Dec 04 01:33:18 * haeffb prefers the more subtle border Dec 04 01:33:32 Is there a mix where you have the wIRC with the smaller border? Dec 04 01:35:13 http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/2311/compareq.png Dec 04 01:36:05 templarian: I prefer the thick border Dec 04 01:36:15 I like the paperish look of the first one Dec 04 01:36:16 I like the thick borders. You can still kind of see them when you shrink the logo down. Dec 04 01:36:40 you could maybe do to crank the border down 1px Dec 04 01:36:41 Gah, I like the second border better, but something about the think text and the think border doesn't mesh. Dec 04 01:37:54 dsevil: That's the reason for the thick border was for when it scaled since most have that patch installed. Dec 04 01:46:17 templarian: can I change where your plugin is looking for projects? can't seem to figure out how... Dec 04 01:47:55 What do you mean looking for projects? Dec 04 01:48:08 You mean how it wants them in the src/ folder Dec 04 01:48:28 well, I have a bunch of existing app projects Dec 04 01:48:33 in a folder Dec 04 01:49:01 natenrb9: no because of the way the add-on organises things. It keeps the root folder clean. Dec 04 01:49:01 how do I get it to see those, do I have to change the "workspace" location? Dec 04 01:49:22 http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/2702/comparen.png (updated) Dec 04 01:50:01 old Dec 04 01:50:22 yeah, I like the old Dec 04 01:51:20 templarian: so how do I open my existing project in komodo (just started using it…)? Dec 04 01:52:13 I need to get my site up it's all organised. Dec 04 01:52:25 k Dec 04 01:58:24 * haeffb prefers the new but doesn't care enough to argue Dec 04 01:58:55 old Dec 04 02:01:13 AnOutsider: does it take long to process your json feed now that it works? Dec 04 02:01:24 Templarian: what's the difference, they look the same to me? Dec 04 02:01:50 rick: mainly the outline and shading Dec 04 02:02:17 LoneStar34: nope, on every maybe 4 or 5 runs of the app it hangs a bit, but I've bumped it up to 5,000 entries and it loads pretty well Dec 04 02:02:40 ok great Dec 04 02:05:40 * haeffb_ finally hit the app limit Dec 04 02:07:48 is the creator of Send Map in the house? Dec 04 02:08:24 8-bit development? anyone know who that is? Dec 04 02:08:39 not everyone comes here Dec 04 02:08:53 hell i prolly wouldnt have if i wasnt already on this network Dec 04 02:09:10 a good portion are here :) Dec 04 02:09:17 dawm: just saw swap n drop in the catalog and sent a text to my wife Dec 04 02:09:29 really? Dec 04 02:09:37 really Dec 04 02:09:37 they never told me Dec 04 02:09:45 they never do, it just shows up Dec 04 02:09:49 hah Dec 04 02:10:06 well im glad its in, now to add the newer version that fixes an issue Dec 04 02:10:23 that takes another week... :) Dec 04 02:10:32 * Templarian just realised php isn't running on his server failed hosting Dec 04 02:10:52 well i submitted 0.4.10 last night, so that was less than 1day Dec 04 02:11:18 Templarian: php is not installed on the server? Dec 04 02:12:01 yeah...I tend to exaggerate Dec 04 02:12:25 No it is, First time in 3 years my servers messed up. Dec 04 02:12:42 * haeffb_ wonders why I have three weather apps on my Pre Dec 04 02:13:01 do people have to pay for a new version of an app? Dec 04 02:13:05 I just thef***ingweather.com Dec 04 02:13:12 anyone know how to reach the moderators on precentral? i need the subject of prejeweled's thread changed Dec 04 02:14:04 there's a "contact us" link somewher Dec 04 02:14:32 You can just PM them Dec 04 02:14:45 yeah but i dont see a staff listing Dec 04 02:16:00 forums@treocentral.com Dec 04 02:16:12 is where the "contact us" link goes Dec 04 02:16:15 LoneStar34: no Dec 04 02:17:12 rick_home: forever? Dec 04 02:17:13 wait, don't use that. obviously an old template that wasn't updated Dec 04 02:17:17 try http://www.precentral.net/contact Dec 04 02:17:53 but be prepared to solve their math homework! Dec 04 02:18:30 LoneStar34: there is no mechanism in the app store for charging for upgrades Dec 04 02:18:31 period Dec 04 02:18:57 todays woot is a good example of something that a smartphone is better for Dec 04 02:19:45 * haeffb_ tries to remember what today's woot was Dec 04 02:20:18 rick_home: Are you sure? I got sudoku for free and can't download the update. Dec 04 02:20:37 then it's not the same app Dec 04 02:20:41 rick_home: you could create & submite a new appid? com.my.app.ver2 Dec 04 02:20:47 yep Dec 04 02:20:49 you can do that Dec 04 02:20:52 and people have Dec 04 02:21:02 frog preview and frog pro Dec 04 02:21:21 but then, your users aren't informed of an update. Dec 04 02:21:48 but nobody yet has submitted a new version of a paid app that they want to charge for again. but it will happen eventually Dec 04 02:21:49 Well this does say "update application" in the App Catalog. It just fails every time with "App catalog unavailable" Dec 04 02:22:40 Shiggity, i had that issue earlier today, i jsut shutdown the pre and turned it back on and it was working again Dec 04 02:22:57 it usually does that when you have a version of the app from say, preware and not from the app catalog Dec 04 02:23:00 dawm: Did all your other apps work for downloading/updating? Dec 04 02:23:03 tho, it's happened randomly other times as well Dec 04 02:23:16 haeffb_: the dev's in the beta program have been SPECIFICALLY INFORMED that they can not charge for upgrades. Dec 04 02:23:41 Shiggity: did you download a free version from the precentral feeds? Dec 04 02:24:04 if so, you never BOUGHT it and palm doesn't have a record of your having bought it and they're not letting you update what they think is a pirated copy Dec 04 02:24:06 rick_home: It shouldn't be. It's sudoku Dec 04 02:24:14 my backup isnt working tho.. i had to manually backup today, the last backup was on 11/23 .. kinda upset about that Dec 04 02:24:22 rick_home: That may actually be. They just changed it from free to paid it looks like. Dec 04 02:24:28 ahhh Dec 04 02:24:32 then you never bought it Dec 04 02:25:05 that's a problem in the app cat. It's saying unavailable rather than "We have no record of your having bought this." Dec 04 02:25:08 they're going to fix that Dec 04 02:25:15 Excellent. Dec 04 02:25:31 rick_home: agreed. But what's an upgrade...? If you create a new version of an app with substantially new features, is that an upgrade? or a new app? Dec 04 02:25:46 haeffb_: that's entirely up to you as the dev Dec 04 02:26:08 frogs frogs Pro, frogs Pro + frogs pro gold edition, Dec 04 02:26:15 precisely Dec 04 02:26:20 The one app I really wish we could get is something that opens keepass databases. That would be insane to recreate in javascript though. Dec 04 02:26:21 up to you as the dev Dec 04 02:27:30 hey everyone Dec 04 02:28:05 sup Dec 04 02:28:16 man it is quiet here Dec 04 02:28:18 What's going on? Dec 04 02:28:37 what would make the total open service handlers your app has grow alot? Dec 04 02:28:41 just working on a website...nothing too exciting Dec 04 02:29:34 building xServer on FreeBSD 2 hrs + now Dec 04 02:29:45 that sounds like a good time right there Dec 04 02:30:23 sucks, just want to install gnome, but it keeps compiling Dec 04 02:30:37 windows 7 here :) Dec 04 02:31:18 so what is your app lonestar? Dec 04 02:31:41 vista =( my windows 7 is out of town Dec 04 02:31:51 do u like windows 7? Dec 04 02:31:54 hey David, swap&drop is now in the app catalog Dec 04 02:32:00 well that was fast Dec 04 02:32:02 sweet Dec 04 02:32:03 hi all! Dec 04 02:32:07 jenp Dec 04 02:32:11 is it the same version you sent me? Dec 04 02:32:15 thanks to haeffb_ for alerting me Dec 04 02:32:17 no Dec 04 02:32:17 hey haeffb_! Dec 04 02:32:23 saw the update looks good Dec 04 02:32:30 the one you have is the most current, it has some fixes and tweaks, but nothing serious Dec 04 02:32:35 can anyone see why this would work on the emu and not on the device? Dec 04 02:32:35 http://webos.pastebin.com/d1228b14b Dec 04 02:32:35 it's got a major bug Dec 04 02:32:47 really? Dec 04 02:32:50 ok, that is being submitted for next review? Dec 04 02:32:52 but id like you to try it out incase i missed something Dec 04 02:32:53 yeah Dec 04 02:32:59 ok, no problem Dec 04 02:33:08 well..."major" is in the eye of the beholder. hotlist sorting is effed up Dec 04 02:33:17 bmyers_away: I like windows 7 Dec 04 02:33:23 bmyers_away: very clean Dec 04 02:33:26 but I'd rather drink a beer than fix it tonight Dec 04 02:33:30 webosroundup: it was my idea... Dec 04 02:33:39 ?? Dec 04 02:33:58 the only difference in the one in the catalog and the one i sent you is a fix for when a call comes in to pause the game, and some rendering/placement tweaks Dec 04 02:34:01 smiles...now that i totally understand Dec 04 02:34:11 ok, good to know Dec 04 02:34:13 Can the Pre keep my data connection while I'm on a phone call, or no? Not sure if there is a setting or something, I read about 1x or something. Dec 04 02:34:33 I don't believe it can...at least not on sprint Dec 04 02:34:41 webosroundup: joking.. the commercials? Dec 04 02:34:47 * haeffb_ thinks CDMA doesn't allow simultaneous voice/data Dec 04 02:34:49 cba123: On GSM, yes. Dec 04 02:34:55 I am slow :P Dec 04 02:35:44 reality9110, Is that usable in the US or no? Dec 04 02:35:49 that is tricky...gotta build the app for lowest common denominator Dec 04 02:36:06 so I am having this problem were my timeout doesn work on the device but does work on the emu.. Dec 04 02:36:17 http://webos.pastebin.com/d1228b14b Dec 04 02:37:34 the wakeup works on the device. tested that with launch params.. Dec 04 02:37:41 cba123: the Pre in the US is on Sprint which is CDMA. Dec 04 02:37:54 cba123: CDMA does not support simultaneous voice/data Dec 04 02:38:10 reality9110, Ok, thought as much. Is that something that can be done, or no? Dec 04 02:38:26 Hi doc! Dec 04 02:38:27 No. It's a network issue. Dec 04 02:38:32 Hello Dec 04 02:38:38 reality9110, As in, can CDMA be made to support that, on Sprint's end. Dec 04 02:38:47 So...open question...what is your favorite app on the catalog currently? Dec 04 02:39:07 cba123: Ok. Ignore everything I said before and just go with the simple answer... no. Dec 04 02:39:14 the code i am trying is basically off the palm website so i would expect it to work but I've seen errors in the SDK docs just the same Dec 04 02:39:18 currently? stopwatch/timer, cuz I'm cooking a frozen pizza and my oven timer's broken Dec 04 02:39:19 att got rated worse US carrier Dec 04 02:39:25 hehe Dec 04 02:39:48 mine is topple ball at the moment Dec 04 02:39:53 crack in a bottle... Dec 04 02:40:10 :( Dec 04 02:40:17 * dBsooner misses Topple Ball Dec 04 02:40:17 t mobile has no 3G? Dec 04 02:40:18 Bmyers: checking my app code...just a sec Dec 04 02:40:29 why do you miss topple ball? Dec 04 02:40:31 rasstar: Sure they do Dec 04 02:40:40 umm.. that confidential. :) Dec 04 02:40:42 thanks haeffb.. Dec 04 02:40:47 reality9110, I'm not an idiot, I was asking if CDMA can support it, as in if there was an upcoming technology, no need to go to "simple answer." Dec 04 02:40:51 heh, alrighty Dec 04 02:40:57 let's just say I currenlty don't have the ability to download it via the App catalog. Dec 04 02:41:03 ah Dec 04 02:41:07 alrighty Dec 04 02:41:15 Kid is lucky he left. Dec 04 02:41:25 easy Doc. Dec 04 02:41:26 i kinda like preopoly myself. Dec 04 02:41:33 what's the diff between "launch" and "open"? Dec 04 02:41:39 preopoly...is that homebrew? Dec 04 02:41:46 i tried both. i saw both out there Dec 04 02:41:55 neither works on my device.. Dec 04 02:41:55 natenrb9: thaks again for telling me about that (my server is being fixed it takes 30min) Dec 04 02:41:59 * haeffb_ uses "open" Dec 04 02:42:08 it may be HB Dec 04 02:42:39 haeffb: i can try open again. i had that at first. tried launch cause it didnt work Dec 04 02:42:50 templarian: np, awesome, I'm excited to see how to use komodo Dec 04 02:43:47 have to wait for 1/2 time on jets bills games to test it on the device again Dec 04 02:44:02 Bmyers: are u getting onFailure? or just nothing? Dec 04 02:44:18 everything looks good Dec 04 02:44:21 no errors. Dec 04 02:44:28 i just never hear back from the timeout Dec 04 02:44:29 what the crap Dec 04 02:44:46 my app is 380kb, but in the app store it says its 2054kb Dec 04 02:45:01 it is all the fat ninjas who snuck into your code Dec 04 02:45:05 dawm: welcome to the app size bug Dec 04 02:45:06 so, your onSuccess is called, but app is never relaunched? Dec 04 02:45:11 nice Dec 04 02:45:18 dawm: the 380kb is the ipk though right? Dec 04 02:45:21 yeah Dec 04 02:45:25 haeffb: that is correct Dec 04 02:45:28 its 1639kb on the phone (just checked) Dec 04 02:45:32 that is awesome...fat apps + a tiny storage area = total awesomeness Dec 04 02:45:33 yep Dec 04 02:45:43 it works on the emu though.. Dec 04 02:46:05 dawm: I was discussing this with a few people on here the other day Dec 04 02:46:39 displays like twice the size of the actual unzipped app... Dec 04 02:47:06 templarian: so the problem was with your hosting company? php was down on your server? Dec 04 02:48:22 Bmyers: my code is same, but with open rather than launch. works on both device and emu Dec 04 02:49:13 (well, except the actual code I'm using is at: rather than in:, but tested with both previously) Dec 04 02:49:16 natenrb9: Or so I told them and they promised they would fix it. Dec 04 02:49:47 * haeffb_ thinks BigXII bball is going to be *tough* this year Dec 04 02:50:05 templarian: ha! nice Dec 04 02:50:53 jenp: wife bought two pairs of skechers boots on black friday. thought you should know Dec 04 02:51:00 trying it again the other way Dec 04 02:51:02 lol Dec 04 02:51:18 skechers makes boots... those have to be ugly. Dec 04 02:51:23 you should encourage that....haeffb....happy wife...happy life Dec 04 02:52:36 no, they're hot Dec 04 02:52:51 haeffb_ .....http://www.uggaustralia.com/ProductDetails.aspx?gID=w&productID=5756&model=Corinth Dec 04 02:53:02 you should get her these for christmas Dec 04 02:53:22 she has a pair of hand-me-down uggs Dec 04 02:53:42 no no no....these are fashion uggs Dec 04 02:53:45 super sexy Dec 04 02:53:47 and warm Dec 04 02:54:27 BootTalk(tm) - every evening at 9pm CST Dec 04 02:54:35 uggs are so southern california Dec 04 02:54:57 lol i don't like the regular ones...but these wedge heels are so nice... Dec 04 02:54:58 but ironically invented by australian surfers Dec 04 02:55:02 where the hell is Start/Run in Vista? Dec 04 02:55:07 i bought them cause i had to make a trip to Chicago Dec 04 02:55:13 JenP must like them "boots with the furrr" Dec 04 02:55:24 dBsooner i love furr Dec 04 02:55:42 haeffb_: you have to enable it in the menu.. right click start, and go to properties Dec 04 02:55:49 haeffb_: or just hit "win+r" Dec 04 02:56:16 got it. thx Dec 04 02:56:33 I get that dang song in my head everytime I see "boots with da furrr" Dec 04 02:56:50 What are they.. Ugg's or something Dec 04 02:56:53 i have no idea what song that is Dec 04 02:57:00 yes fashion UGGS Dec 04 02:57:04 stopwatch/timer tells me my pizza is done Dec 04 02:57:09 i hate uggs Dec 04 02:57:12 * haeffb_ loves the Pre Dec 04 02:57:37 * loves his pre...hates its battery Dec 04 02:59:15 webOSroundup: then replace it Dec 04 02:59:36 everyone at sprint keeps telling me it is normal Dec 04 02:59:47 so I put up with it **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Dec 04 02:59:57 2009