**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 04 02:59:57 2009
Dec 04 03:00:02 <pandora--> no
Dec 04 03:00:02 <haeffb_> dBsooner: does NU have a shot this weekend?
Dec 04 03:00:25 <webOSroundup> how long does your battery last on an average day?
Dec 04 03:00:30 <dBsooner> haeffb_: No
Dec 04 03:00:42 <dBsooner> haeffb_: In my dream world? Yes.
Dec 04 03:01:04 <dBsooner> haeffb_: I would like to see nothing more than Texas lose.
Dec 04 03:01:18 * haeffb_ was listening to idiots on KC radio today talking about "if NU can keep it close in first half, all the pressure will be on UT."
Dec 04 03:01:25 <dBsooner> haeffb_: However.. Since Colt McCoy is like.. Heisman already.. Texas SHOULD win.
Dec 04 03:01:32 <pandora--> webOSroundup: less than a day
Dec 04 03:01:37 <pandora--> :)
Dec 04 03:01:45 <dBsooner> haeffb_: Have you seen the spread?
Dec 04 03:01:54 <dBsooner> Plus it's in Dallas...
Dec 04 03:02:03 <haeffb_> Nah. what is it, 20+?
Dec 04 03:02:11 <dBsooner> Probably.
Dec 04 03:02:30 <webOSroundup> mine lasts about 6 hours before it croaks...that sound about right?
Dec 04 03:02:52 * haeffb_ watched UT destroy the Tigers. Mack Brown calls off the dogs against Pinkle when he's up 30
Dec 04 03:03:26 <t1rfawhH> my battery only lasts about an hour if i'm listening to shoutcast streams
Dec 04 03:03:38 <haeffb_> XII Talk (tm) - every evening at 9:05 CST.
Dec 04 03:03:52 <webOSroundup> ouch
Dec 04 03:03:52 <JenP> lol
Dec 04 03:04:09 <haeffb_> (boots don't last long)
Dec 04 03:04:21 <JenP> lol
Dec 04 03:04:23 <Bmyers> thanks haseffb. got it working..
Dec 04 03:04:35 <haeffb_> sweet
Dec 04 03:04:39 * dBsooner loved watching Stanford go for 2 against USC...
Dec 04 03:04:46 <Bmyers> it is knida of cool actually..
Dec 04 03:04:57 <Bmyers> dorky.. but cool nonetheless
Dec 04 03:05:08 <dBsooner> Nothing I liked more than Pete Carrol getting "hostile" because he got beat down.. and had the score run up against him
Dec 04 03:06:10 <haeffb_> what comes around, goes around. or something like that
Dec 04 03:06:45 <haeffb_> goose/gander, pot/kettle
Dec 04 03:07:23 <Bmyers> well thanks again for running it through a sanity check haeffb.
Dec 04 03:07:38 <haeffb_> np.
Dec 04 03:08:07 <haeffb_> where can I find a good example of sqlite database handling? create/add/delete, etc?
Dec 04 03:08:25 <Bmyers> what do you need?
Dec 04 03:08:34 <Bmyers> i got that down pretty good at this point
Dec 04 03:08:59 <dawm> hrm.. webos quick install wont download from the feeds..
Dec 04 03:09:08 <Bmyers> sugardave wrote a good tutorial
Dec 04 03:09:31 <haeffb_> just looking for pointers on handling basic functions, error handling, etc
Dec 04 03:09:36 <Roy-Pre101> Is that up on webos101.com?
Dec 04 03:09:50 <Bmyers> isnt it? may be webos-internals
Dec 04 03:10:06 <haeffb_> will go search...
Dec 04 03:10:47 <Bmyers> feel free to ask if you get stuck.
Dec 04 03:11:03 <Bmyers> u got some time in my bank.. ;)
Dec 04 03:11:26 <LoneStar34> http://webos101.com/Getting_JSON_From_An_External_MySQL_Database
Dec 04 03:11:56 <LoneStar34> oops... i did not see sqlite...
Dec 04 03:12:38 <haeffb_> webos-internals
Dec 04 03:13:05 <Bmyers> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Mojo_Storage_Database
Dec 04 03:13:06 <PREA> how can I locate the path to the icon for gDial Pro?
Dec 04 03:14:12 <Bmyers> find / | grep gdial | more ?
Dec 04 03:15:28 <PREA> do I do that on a command line?
Dec 04 03:15:49 <haeffb_> next topic: in this thread: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=3310&hilit=10+seconds
Dec 04 03:15:56 <haeffb_> steven says: "If a loop runs continuously for about or more than 10 seconds it will be interrupted."
Dec 04 03:16:07 <Bmyers> PREA do you have the SDK ?
Dec 04 03:16:11 <haeffb_> what's the way to avoid being interrupted?
Dec 04 03:16:26 <PREA> no, I only have webos quick install
Dec 04 03:17:17 <dawm> ugh
Dec 04 03:17:42 <dawm> i hate it when i accidently click network when browsing for a file.. takes forever
Dec 04 03:17:51 <Bmyers> well then i guess you would have to look on the device if you can telnet to it
Dec 04 03:18:33 <PREA> the SDK allows me to browse the file structure?
Dec 04 03:18:44 * haeffb_ ignores obvious answer of "avoid loops longer than 10 sec"
Dec 04 03:18:54 <Bmyers> no so much that as it as all the icons.
Dec 04 03:20:18 <Bmyers> i dont know that it gdial pro. i dont use gdial
Dec 04 03:22:01 <haeffb_> you ought to have the onfailure of the database save call do something useful too just in case
Dec 04 03:22:20 <haeffb_> rick_home: like what? make me a cup of coffee?
Dec 04 03:23:14 <dawm> got my first support email ;D
Dec 04 03:24:44 <JenP> hiya
Dec 04 03:24:59 <Bmyers> TQOS hows it going
Dec 04 03:28:25 <JenP> why wouldn't this work?
Dec 04 03:28:25 <JenP>  this.controller.modelChanged(this.minButtonModel);
Dec 04 03:28:25 <JenP>         this.minButtonModel.disabled = true;
Dec 04 03:28:42 <JenP> i'm trying to disable a button on text tap
Dec 04 03:28:54 <JenP> i have an if statment on the textfield
Dec 04 03:29:40 <reality9110> Reverse it
Dec 04 03:29:47 <haeffb_> shouldn't the modelChanged come after you change the model?
Dec 04 03:30:04 <JenP> oh!
Dec 04 03:30:08 * haeffb_ really needs to work on being concise
Dec 04 03:30:26 <haeffb_> wrong.
Dec 04 03:31:08 <JenP> wrong..?
Dec 04 03:31:27 <haeffb_> being more concise
Dec 04 03:31:37 <haeffb_> less helpful, but more concise
Dec 04 03:31:42 <JenP> smiles
Dec 04 03:31:43 <JenP>  if (this.controller.get('cwDesiredMonths').attribute.focus ==  true){
Dec 04 03:31:43 <JenP>         this.minButtonModel.disabled = true;
Dec 04 03:31:43 <JenP>         this.controller.modelChanged(this.minButtonModel);
Dec 04 03:31:43 <JenP>     }
Dec 04 03:31:50 <JenP> ok this doesn't work
Dec 04 03:32:14 <haeffb_> wrong
Dec 04 03:32:21 <Bmyers> +1
Dec 04 03:32:21 <haeffb_> :)
Dec 04 03:32:25 <JenP> lol
Dec 04 03:32:27 <Bmyers> :)
Dec 04 03:32:30 <JenP> ok ...why...wrong
Dec 04 03:32:42 <haeffb_> obviously, because it doesn't work
Dec 04 03:32:46 <Bmyers> +1
Dec 04 03:32:55 <haeffb_> is attribute.focus actually == true?
Dec 04 03:32:59 <Bmyers> boy what a helpfull channel eh?
Dec 04 03:33:16 <haeffb_> lots easier to talk about boots
Dec 04 03:33:20 <JenP> nk
Dec 04 03:33:40 <JenP> yes the textbox gets focus...so it's true...right?
Dec 04 03:34:11 <dawm> are you still trying to find focus?
Dec 04 03:34:13 <Bmyers> i guess it depend when that coes runs
Dec 04 03:34:21 <haeffb_> dunno. add a mojo.log to see if it gets inside you're if statement
Dec 04 03:34:22 <Bmyers> s/coes/code
Dec 04 03:34:46 <haeffb_> s/you're/your
Dec 04 03:35:10 <haeffb_> (you are not an if statement)
Dec 04 03:36:07 <dawm> JenP, are you still trying to detect focus?
Dec 04 03:36:21 <JenP> dawm yes
Dec 04 03:36:26 <dawm> you cant do it that way
Dec 04 03:36:52 <JenP> which way should i try?
Dec 04 03:37:01 <haeffb_> obviously, the way that works
Dec 04 03:37:21 <dawm> theres onFocus and onBlur attributes that call functions
Dec 04 03:37:22 <haeffb_> ( sometimes even I get tired of me...)
Dec 04 03:37:48 <Bmyers> !funny
Dec 04 03:37:55 <JenP> ok i can work with that
Dec 04 03:38:00 <dawm> and
Dec 04 03:38:08 <dawm> actually
Dec 04 03:38:17 <dawm> prototype has a feature for focus
Dec 04 03:38:42 <dawm> er no thats to set focus
Dec 04 03:39:21 <dawm> http://www.w3schools.com/jsref/event_onfocus.asp
Dec 04 03:39:26 <Bmyers> is nt there an onchange handler you can attach to a textfield?
Dec 04 03:39:38 <dawm> that would be if the value changed
Dec 04 03:39:42 <dawm> i think
Dec 04 03:39:48 <JenP> Bmyers what do you mean?
Dec 04 03:40:23 <Bmyers> are you looking for a change in a textfield to disable a button?
Dec 04 03:40:29 <JenP> yes
Dec 04 03:40:51 <Bmyers> look at the events you can observe for the textfield.
Dec 04 03:41:07 <dawm> you can setup this.controller.get('element').onfocus = function() {}
Dec 04 03:42:18 <JenP> ok i'm looking it all up
Dec 04 03:42:22 <Bmyers> Mojo.Event.propertyChange
Dec 04 03:42:32 <Bmyers> http://developer.palm.com/palm-sdk/jsdoc/symbols/Mojo.Widget.html#.TextField
Dec 04 03:42:36 <dawm> or you can just set a var when the user taps, since theres no tab on the pre or pixi
Dec 04 03:42:51 <Bmyers> do your voodoo there..
Dec 04 03:44:25 <danlash2> is there any place I can download the jsdoc configuration that makes the palm website?
Dec 04 03:44:38 <danlash2> the normal configuration does not produce even similar results
Dec 04 03:46:00 * haeffb_ confims that buttonModel.disabled = xxx; modelChanged works.
Dec 04 03:46:25 <Bmyers> you felt bad for making fun of her eh?
Dec 04 03:46:43 <haeffb_> uh. not really... :)
Dec 04 03:46:55 <dawm> oh cool.. in google chrome, if you search for something on the page it not only highlights the search term it also puts marks in the scrollbar as to where those highlights are
Dec 04 03:47:57 <haeffb_> jenp, what is the actual condition you want to cause the button to become disabled?
Dec 04 03:48:30 <JenP> if the user trys to enter text in one of two textfields the min. button is disabled
Dec 04 03:49:15 <dawm> like i said, it would prolly be easier to setup a event to catch the user tapping the textfields, since you cannot tab thru fields
Dec 04 03:50:04 <Bmyers> how about if they tap it there but then leave it blank?
Dec 04 03:50:09 * haeffb_ would go with bmyers: propertyChange event
Dec 04 03:50:39 <haeffb_> if they don't actually change the textfield, the button should stay enabled...?
Dec 04 03:50:46 <JenP> yes
Dec 04 03:50:58 <haeffb_> propertyChange
Dec 04 03:51:06 <dawm> yeah
Dec 04 03:51:08 <haeffb_> I mean, "wrong"
Dec 04 03:51:13 <dawm> propertyChange and look for focus
Dec 04 03:51:43 <Bmyers> prop change and look for nothing or null in the text field
Dec 04 03:51:47 <haeffb_> what if they enter text, then come back and delete it later? button enabled?
Dec 04 03:51:50 <Bmyers> tho prop change might be enough
Dec 04 03:51:57 <haeffb_> Bmyers: that's where I was headed.
Dec 04 03:52:10 <JenP> kk
Dec 04 03:52:32 <haeffb_> propertyChange, then change the button model depending on textfieldModel.value
Dec 04 03:52:47 <haeffb_> I mean, "wrong"
Dec 04 03:53:45 <Bmyers> this.controller.listen('MyTextField', Mojo.Event.propertyChange, this.handlePropChange.bindAsEventListener(this));
Dec 04 03:54:51 <Bmyers> then put that code you had in handlePropChange method sans the focus part
Dec 04 03:54:57 <dawm> welp ive had atleast 1 download, wish i could see how many
Dec 04 03:55:25 <haeffb_> except always use this.handlePropChangeHandler = this.handePropChange.bindAsEventListener
Dec 04 03:55:32 <haeffb_> so you can stopListening later
Dec 04 03:56:02 <JenP> ok. but doesn't the listening go in the set up area?
Dec 04 03:56:23 <dawm> yeah
Dec 04 03:56:24 <Bmyers> doesnt have to
Dec 04 03:56:29 <dawm> but it doesnt have to
Dec 04 03:56:31 <haeffb_> which the helloworld example doesn't do, thus leading every new developer astray
Dec 04 03:56:37 <Bmyers> after it's instantiated. thats all
Dec 04 03:56:50 <dawm> my game rebuilds all its listeners on a new game (since each piece has a listener for tap)
Dec 04 03:58:40 * haeffb_ goes to webOSdev forum to file a bug report on hello world example...
Dec 04 03:59:31 <dawm> lol
Dec 04 03:59:49 * Templarian thinks **** I think someone joined my shared server cluster and f'ed it all up.
Dec 04 04:04:48 <webOSroundup> look at all you hardcore programmers talkin' all the lingo
Dec 04 04:04:49 <webOSroundup> :P
Dec 04 04:05:15 <dawm> lol
Dec 04 04:06:45 <haeffb_> dawm - at least two. and my wife will make three when she gets it!
Dec 04 04:07:19 <webOSroundup> you go dawm!!
Dec 04 04:08:10 <Bmyers> webosroundup: you write  apps?
Dec 04 04:09:13 * haeffb_ just ran out of moves
Dec 04 04:09:33 <webOSroundup> I have started one
Dec 04 04:09:35 <webOSroundup> but I am a developer by trade
Dec 04 04:09:36 <haeffb_> dawm: can't slide icons? just tap to swap?
Dec 04 04:09:47 <webOSroundup> web apps, .NET mainly, but I can do PHP
Dec 04 04:09:54 <dawm> yeah just tap for now, i plan to make it dragable if possible
Dec 04 04:10:02 <haeffb_> cool.
Dec 04 04:10:06 <webOSroundup> starting my blog side tracked me...I will get back to it at some point
Dec 04 04:10:36 <danlash2> webosroundup: if you're coming from .net you're going to have fun w/ mojo
Dec 04 04:10:40 <danlash2> zero ide support
Dec 04 04:10:44 <danlash2> zero compiler support
Dec 04 04:10:45 <webOSroundup> yeah
Dec 04 04:10:47 <danlash2> zero error handling
Dec 04 04:10:48 <dawm> heh
Dec 04 04:10:48 <webOSroundup> that has hurt me
Dec 04 04:10:57 <webOSroundup> I got a decent setup when I was messing with it
Dec 04 04:11:01 <dawm> i came from php and zero javascript knowledge
Dec 04 04:11:01 <webOSroundup> had putty for errors
Dec 04 04:11:11 <webOSroundup> eclipse for an IDE
Dec 04 04:11:13 <Bmyers> just reviewing apps might keep you impartial
Dec 04 04:11:27 <webOSroundup> I will never review my own apps
Dec 04 04:11:35 <webOSroundup> obviously
Dec 04 04:11:46 <webOSroundup> I like knowing what you guys go through though
Dec 04 04:11:54 <webOSroundup> I want to be a big advocate for the developers
Dec 04 04:12:03 <Bmyers> until you;ve lived with my wife you have no idea..
Dec 04 04:12:08 <webOSroundup> hehe
Dec 04 04:12:10 <haeffb_> i came from FORTRAN and zero js/css knowledge
Dec 04 04:12:17 <webOSroundup> fortran eh? nice
Dec 04 04:12:18 <dawm> my biggest issue is still using + instead of . for joining vars/strings
Dec 04 04:12:35 <webOSroundup> my biggest issue is the crap IDE :P
Dec 04 04:12:39 <haeffb_> well, that was a while ago
Dec 04 04:12:41 <dawm> i use komodo
Dec 04 04:12:46 <Templarian> webOSroundup: You could be using Komodo.
Dec 04 04:12:54 <webOSroundup> is that decent?
Dec 04 04:12:57 <danlash2> by biggest issue is relying too much on compiler to catch me using = instead of : or ) instead of ]
Dec 04 04:12:58 <webOSroundup> eclipse was ok
Dec 04 04:13:00 <dawm> komodo + Templarian's addon = sweet sauce
Dec 04 04:13:26 <webOSroundup> when I get back to it, I will check that out templarian
Dec 04 04:13:34 <webOSroundup> right now its all reviews all the time!!
Dec 04 04:13:34 <Bmyers> i like eclipse, been using komodo for a while now tho
Dec 04 04:13:47 <Adora> webOSroundup:  AMEN!
Dec 04 04:14:03 <Adora> err...
Dec 04 04:14:04 <Adora> ahem
Dec 04 04:14:05 <dawm> ugh.. i gotta find a new wordpress theme.. i dislike the one i have and im tooo lazy to make my own
Dec 04 04:14:08 <webOSroundup> she speaks!
Dec 04 04:14:11 <Templarian> A lot of guys come from a PHP / Web background so they are already using Komodo.
Dec 04 04:14:17 <webOSroundup> look at elegantthemes.com
Dec 04 04:14:26 <dawm> Templarian, yep im one of those
Dec 04 04:14:27 <webOSroundup> they make great stuff
Dec 04 04:14:31 <webOSroundup> for cheap
Dec 04 04:14:38 <Bmyers> www.guyrules.com <- other php projects of mine..
Dec 04 04:14:57 * Templarian goes back to writing the preware website.
Dec 04 04:15:21 <dawm> sadly swap&drop is my only project that i actually finished.. i have a few cms projects i just never got around to finishing out of pure laziness
Dec 04 04:15:44 <Adora> dawm: and I have to say, swap&drop was awesome
Dec 04 04:15:55 <webOSroundup> I have a CMS app I wrote open source in .NET
Dec 04 04:15:57 <Adora> I grinned when I saw it come up on my list today
Dec 04 04:16:01 <webOSroundup> called novella
Dec 04 04:16:03 <dawm> hehe
Dec 04 04:16:25 <dawm> thanks Adora
Dec 04 04:16:41 <Adora> I hope I didn't cause another round of, ahh..legal trouble
Dec 04 04:16:43 <Templarian> webOSroundup: you develop any for WinMo?
Dec 04 04:16:57 <Templarian> (since I figure you know C#)
Dec 04 04:16:57 <webOSroundup> very basics
Dec 04 04:17:05 <webOSroundup> I know c#...love c#
Dec 04 04:17:18 <dawm> my biggest concern with submitting swap&drop was the usage of the webos icons, was getting worried it would get rejected due to that
Dec 04 04:17:21 <Templarian> Everyone does they tend to be waiting till WinMo7
Dec 04 04:17:26 <CTLAdvance-work> Good Evening Adora!
Dec 04 04:17:30 <webOSroundup> I did a simple proof of concept once in winmo
Dec 04 04:17:35 <Adora> CTLAdvance-work: hi2u
Dec 04 04:17:57 <CTLAdvance-work> Your team is doing excellent work pushing apps through the system these days :)
Dec 04 04:18:10 <webOSroundup> only 99,500 to go :P
Dec 04 04:18:18 <webOSroundup> you can do it!!
Dec 04 04:18:19 <dawm> yeah, what CTLAdvance-work said
Dec 04 04:18:27 <haeffb_> 99,465
Dec 04 04:18:36 <webOSroundup> sweet
Dec 04 04:18:40 <dawm> less than a day turnaround for swap&drop after its first rejection due to a minor issue
Dec 04 04:19:10 <CTLAdvance-work> Yeah same for one of our apps as well, ill be it a simple one but still
Dec 04 04:19:22 <Adora> I hope we can keep it that way
Dec 04 04:19:52 <dawm> an email that it wsa added to the catalog would have been nice tho.. i had to hear from haeffb_  that i was added :P
Dec 04 04:19:52 <Adora> there are still more apps than I'd like that have been waiting longer that we can't review due to problems on our side
Dec 04 04:19:54 * haeffb_ wants to see a list of guyrules from 1 to 663
Dec 04 04:20:21 <Adora> (apologies for the run-on like sentences, it's late and I've had a lot of coffee today)
Dec 04 04:20:51 <Adora> regardless:  stuff not perfect, but stuff getting gooder
Dec 04 04:20:59 <CTLAdvance-work> I know what you mean, esp when your days turn into nights and your still working
Dec 04 04:21:43 <JenP> Adora: it's working great thanks
Dec 04 04:24:09 <webOSroundup> hey, just wanted to thank you guys for helping spread the word on my site...had a big jump in visitors today
Dec 04 04:24:19 <webOSroundup> still brand new, but I know you guys have helped a lot
Dec 04 04:24:48 <Adora> it should get picked up by the blogs tomorrow
Dec 04 04:24:58 <webOSroundup> which ones?
Dec 04 04:25:33 <webOSroundup> so far the big boys have been ambivalent
Dec 04 04:25:35 <Adora> the webos related ones for sure...precentral, palm infocenter, the others I subscribe to but can't remember (sorry)
Dec 04 04:26:12 <webOSroundup> I would be impressed if any of them batted an eye at my site
Dec 04 04:26:21 <webOSroundup> I have emailed them to see if they wanted to work together
Dec 04 04:26:31 <webOSroundup> they are very nice and supportive, but not interested
Dec 04 04:26:35 <webOSroundup> which is understandable
Dec 04 04:26:58 <webOSroundup> new kid on the block and all that
Dec 04 04:27:02 <Adora> they might be working on something like this themselves, too  :)
Dec 04 04:27:03 <webOSroundup> hangin' tough!!!
Dec 04 04:27:14 <webOSroundup> sure, I hope not...but it is possible
Dec 04 04:27:20 <webOSroundup> likely even
Dec 04 04:27:20 <Adora> ooooh oooh oooooh OOOOOH oooh!
Dec 04 04:27:23 * Adora does the dance
Dec 04 04:27:33 <webOSroundup> hey, I am not the only one old enough to remember them
Dec 04 04:27:34 <webOSroundup> yea!
Dec 04 04:27:35 <CTLAdvance-work> You need a new dress for your dance
Dec 04 04:27:43 * CTLAdvance-work brings out tinfoil dress
Dec 04 04:27:50 <Roy-Pre101> webOSroundup: Hello
Dec 04 04:27:56 <Adora> yep, I'll admit it.  I had a Danny button as big as my head
Dec 04 04:28:03 <webOSroundup> that is awesome
Dec 04 04:28:03 * Adora drops EVERYTHING
Dec 04 04:28:06 * Adora snatches dress
Dec 04 04:28:15 <JenP> lol
Dec 04 04:28:23 * Adora cries when dress rips in half because it's made of tinfoil
Dec 04 04:28:25 <Adora> =[
Dec 04 04:28:36 <Bmyers> someone should switch to decaf tomorrow..
Dec 04 04:28:47 * CTLAdvance-work NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO should have used renolds wrap
Dec 04 04:28:51 <webOSroundup> my only hope is that the site catches on before the big gorrilas squoosh me
Dec 04 04:29:14 <Adora> no, it wasn't danny
Dec 04 04:29:17 <Adora> danny was a punk
Dec 04 04:29:18 <Adora> it was JORDAN
Dec 04 04:29:33 <webOSroundup> you seen him lately? creepy
Dec 04 04:29:39 <Adora> loading the site now
Dec 04 04:29:52 <Adora> http://www.jordanknight.com/
Dec 04 04:30:12 <Adora> re: passed out on piano shot -- ew.
Dec 04 04:30:21 <FoxFireX> Just went to check it out; neat idea, webOSroundup.  Very cool layout.
Dec 04 04:30:32 <webOSroundup> thank you foxfire
Dec 04 04:30:44 <webOSroundup> if you have an app on the catalog, shoot it on over
Dec 04 04:30:47 <rwhitby> webOSroundup: what's the URL for your new site?
Dec 04 04:30:55 <webOSroundup> www.webosroundup.com
Dec 04 04:31:23 <FoxFireX> My only submission's a bit old by now.  Hoping to get a paid plus version together soon, but I've been struggling with the layout/data flow.
Dec 04 04:31:32 <LoneStar34> love "jordon knight" we got an app for that!
Dec 04 04:31:45 <webOSroundup> craigs list again?
Dec 04 04:31:58 <LoneStar34> yeah -
Dec 04 04:32:10 <FoxFireX> There's some stuff I kind of want to capture, but wouldn't use straight away.  Makes it hard to figure out how to capture it if it's just for future stuff. :)
Dec 04 04:32:43 <Roy-Pre101> webOSroundup: Did the .ipk's come trough OK?
Dec 04 04:32:45 <Roy-Pre101> *through
Dec 04 04:32:50 <LoneStar34> been installing x server on freebsd for the past 4 hours...  does that sound right?
Dec 04 04:33:01 <webOSroundup> I have the emails Roy, but I haven't had a chance to load them
Dec 04 04:33:04 <webOSroundup> will let you know
Dec 04 04:33:13 <webOSroundup> if I have problems
Dec 04 04:33:20 <webOSroundup> if I don't then the review will just pop up :P
Dec 04 04:33:27 <webOSroundup> and I will let you know that as well
Dec 04 04:33:37 <FoxFireX> Noticed that Adora helped me out in one of the review cycles too; thanks! :)
Dec 04 04:33:41 <Adora> just like the AC approval process!  \o/
Dec 04 04:33:51 <Adora> FoxFireX: which app?
Dec 04 04:34:07 <LoneStar34> Got an email from Chuq, three hours ago... "he said thanks for coming out"
Dec 04 04:34:07 <webOSroundup> except it won't take as long Adora...budumbum
Dec 04 04:34:09 <FoxFireX> Mileage Monitor.  You punted 0.9.2 for me when it got stuck.
Dec 04 04:34:32 <Adora> ahh, right
Dec 04 04:35:19 <CTLAdvance-work> Anyone have any great christmasy fonts they might want to share this evening, pretty please :)
Dec 04 04:36:22 <CTLAdvance-work> or Hanachristmikwanzica
Dec 04 04:36:30 <webOSroundup> hehe
Dec 04 04:37:09 <LoneStar34> http://urloid.com/xmasfonts1
Dec 04 04:37:47 <rwhitby> webOSroundup: would you like to do a review of Preware?
Dec 04 04:38:35 <Adora> I think that's a great idea
Dec 04 04:38:43 <Adora> walk people through installing it and show what it can do
Dec 04 04:38:52 <Adora> make it non-scary and easy to digest
Dec 04 04:38:54 <FoxFireX> Very disappointed by the reviews for pMirror.  Guess folks don't remember the old PalmOS classics.
Dec 04 04:38:58 <webOSroundup> I was telling dBSooner that yes, I plan to
Dec 04 04:39:04 <webOSroundup> it isn't really a review though
Dec 04 04:39:14 <webOSroundup> more of a PSA to get more people to use its awesomeness
Dec 04 04:39:17 <rwhitby> Adora: http://install.preware.org is getting pretty good for instructions now.
Dec 04 04:39:32 <dBsooner> yes it is.
Dec 04 04:39:39 <Adora> FoxFireX: yeah, I've been thinking about leaving a review that says it's sort of a palmos inside joke
Dec 04 04:39:43 <dBsooner> and there is always the bootstrap..
Dec 04 04:39:48 <dBsooner> and also get.preware.org
Dec 04 04:39:57 <rwhitby> dBsooner: don't point new users to that.
Dec 04 04:40:07 <dBsooner> not the bootstrap
Dec 04 04:40:11 <dBsooner> but get.preware.org
Dec 04 04:40:31 <rwhitby> nope, not that either.  There are no step-by-step instructions with screenshots written for it yet.
Dec 04 04:40:33 <Adora> rwhitby: I agree, however now that @palm is retweeting people talking about how awesome themes and patches are
Dec 04 04:40:38 <dBsooner> oh
Dec 04 04:40:44 <Adora> the knowledge of the average user is going to go waaaaay down
Dec 04 04:40:44 <dBsooner> i thought it was self explanatory
Dec 04 04:40:48 <rwhitby> http://install.preware.org is the best one for general consumption.
Dec 04 04:41:05 <rwhitby> dBsooner: you're a -internals developer - not a representative sample ;-)
Dec 04 04:41:06 <dBsooner> Adora: Get Preware in the AC
Dec 04 04:41:07 <Adora> and install.preware.org requires like, reading and stuff
Dec 04 04:41:07 <webOSroundup> I need to remember that for my "review"
Dec 04 04:41:30 <webOSroundup> preware is the shiz
Dec 04 04:41:34 <CTLAdvance-work> ok LoneStar34, but how do you use the true type font file to get the fonts into an app?
Dec 04 04:41:37 <webOSroundup> so is the theme I am using...buuf
Dec 04 04:42:10 <edektor> does webos support @font-face
Dec 04 04:42:14 <rwhitby> Adora: yes, I noticed that today was the very first time that Palm had mentioned Preware in a tweet - well, it was a retweet, but we take what we can get ;-)
Dec 04 04:42:17 <Adora> I hate sitting through videos when I'm trying to learn something, but the average population flocks to them
Dec 04 04:42:28 <dBsooner> Who's the emulator guru?
Dec 04 04:42:29 <haeffb_> dawm: she says "they don't sparkle"
Dec 04 04:42:42 <rick_home> dBsooner:   get.preware.org basically requires the sdk be installed...  and most people haven't
Dec 04 04:42:55 <dBsooner> rick_home: Ahh.. That explains it.
Dec 04 04:43:10 * dBsooner now has install.preware.org printed in his brain.
Dec 04 04:43:22 <rick_home> dBsooner:  Steve Lemke (lemketron) is the emulator guru
Dec 04 04:43:29 <rwhitby> If we could convince Palm to release the novacom drivers as a separate package from the SDK, the Preware installer could just depend on that and nothing else.
Dec 04 04:43:30 <dBsooner> lemketron: ping
Dec 04 04:43:32 <dBsooner> :)
Dec 04 04:43:59 <rwhitby> (but I understand why Palm may not want to do that)
Dec 04 04:44:02 <rick_home> and it could download them.
Dec 04 04:44:38 <rwhitby> dBsooner: Putting Preware in the AC would be crossing the bright line of security and liability.
Dec 04 04:44:48 <FoxFireX> Oh, off-topic, but everyone root for us in San Antonio.  They're actually predicting we may get snow down here!
Dec 04 04:44:54 <haeffb_> webOSroundup: weatherchannel is the only weather app that gives % chance of precip.
Dec 04 04:44:57 <dBsooner> Why not live on the edge, rwhitby?
Dec 04 04:45:08 <rwhitby> dBsooner: I do, but big corporations cannot.
Dec 04 04:45:11 * Adora is LIVIN ON THE EDGE!  *rocks out*
Dec 04 04:45:28 <dBsooner> Adora: I can imagine you at a Steve Tyler concert.
Dec 04 04:45:29 <dBsooner> lol
Dec 04 04:45:43 <rwhitby> (even if Preware is a pretty low gradient edge)
Dec 04 04:45:50 <dBsooner> Goes to find his Big Ones album on iTunes... (sorry, I have a iTouch)
Dec 04 04:47:22 <CTLAdvance-work> Adora what channels are your tinfoil hat picking up today ;)
Dec 04 04:47:46 <Adora> CTLAdvance-work: some spanish station again
Dec 04 04:47:52 <dBsooner> Adora: did you get my @Adora tweet about an open source link you didn't include?
Dec 04 04:47:52 <CTLAdvance-work> ugh
Dec 04 04:48:18 <haeffb_> webOSroundup: this means your weather roundup is just...wrong.
Dec 04 04:48:19 <Adora> but at least it as a good beat, although rather oom pa pa-like
Dec 04 04:48:53 <webOSroundup> ??
Dec 04 04:49:09 <webOSroundup> aerosmith means my review is wrong?
Dec 04 04:49:15 <webOSroundup> what did I miss?
Dec 04 04:53:26 <Adora> dBsooner: yeah, I saw it
Dec 04 04:53:34 <Adora> I have several more that came in today that I need to add
Dec 04 04:54:09 <Adora> I hope one day we can get them posted on developer.palm.com
Dec 04 04:54:57 <Adora> I don't think there's anything preventing us from doing it, other than figuring out where it's gonna go and writing up the content
Dec 04 04:55:17 <edektor> Looks like palm just pushed a couple more apps out just barely.. Including my update!
Dec 04 04:55:18 <dBsooner> And then hiring a maintainer
Dec 04 04:55:23 <dBsooner> oh wait.. that's your job.
Dec 04 04:55:45 <Adora> edektor: yeah, I've got a few more left I wanna finish up today
Dec 04 04:55:56 * Adora should quit yammering
Dec 04 04:56:01 <edektor> Thank you
Dec 04 04:56:12 <dBsooner> nah.. keep going.
Dec 04 04:57:30 <FoxFireX> Meh, gotta go get some sleep.  Night all.
Dec 04 04:57:51 <edektor> what are my options if my pre has that stuck in headphone mode problem where the phone only works in speaker mode and the speaker doesnt work for music?
Dec 04 04:58:59 <rick_home> edektor:   soft reset
Dec 04 04:59:32 <edektor> I have done a soft reset and full erase and doctored it but it doesnt solve it
Dec 04 05:02:28 <edektor> will sprint replace it?
Dec 04 05:02:44 <edektor> I have read that that is what a couple people had to do
Dec 04 05:02:59 <dawm> haeffb_, they never sparkled heh thats the real bejeweled
Dec 04 05:04:33 <dawm> i gotta work on a online leaderboard now, i just know its gonna be something someones gonna demand
Dec 04 05:04:56 <webOSroundup> they add a lot of longevitiy!!
Dec 04 05:05:03 <webOSroundup> can't spell...
Dec 04 05:05:25 <webOSroundup> it is a travesty that topple ball doesn't have one
Dec 04 05:07:13 <webOSroundup> gotta go record my review...babybump
Dec 04 05:07:39 <webOSroundup> gotta say it is a bit odd that I as a guy is reviewing this, but at least I have two kids so I have sorta been there
Dec 04 05:14:47 <edektor> webOSroundup: How are you choosing apps to review?
Dec 04 05:16:45 <CTLAdvance-work> adora ping
Dec 04 05:17:09 <Adora> brb 5 mins
Dec 04 05:17:15 <CTLAdvance-work> np
Dec 04 05:27:04 <Adora> THERE
Dec 04 05:27:04 <webOSroundup> edektor: some of it is random such as topple ball...others are reviewed because a developer has asked for a review
Dec 04 05:27:07 <Adora> done for the day
Dec 04 05:27:09 * Adora falls over
Dec 04 05:27:35 <edektor> feel free to review my app "Dropee"
Dec 04 05:27:37 <webOSroundup> I have a list of apps that I move through...there is very little rhyme or reason
Dec 04 05:27:53 <webOSroundup> shoot me an email david@webosroundup.com
Dec 04 05:28:05 <edektor> will do
Dec 04 05:28:09 <webOSroundup> cool
Dec 04 05:30:28 <CTLAdvance-work> have a good night adora
Dec 04 05:32:05 <Bmyers_away> c yall l8r
Dec 04 05:40:49 <webOSroundup> good night everyone
Dec 04 06:34:09 <rbtwhiz> Anybody willing to give some thoughts on this? http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=600&p=12841#p12841
Dec 04 06:36:55 <edektor> rbtwhiz: I see your from Draper..
Dec 04 06:37:03 <edektor> I'm in sandy
Dec 04 06:37:44 <rbtwhiz> corner of draper, sandy, west jordan
Dec 04 06:38:16 <edektor> what I did is just store the password as an MD5 hash cause I never really need the actual password
Dec 04 06:40:19 <rbtwhiz> using google apis to import/export data from my app. need to send user/pass to log into user's account
Dec 04 06:40:56 <edektor> ask the dude behind gdialPro how he is doing it
Dec 04 06:41:14 <edektor> he is on here from time to time
Dec 04 06:43:01 <rbtwhiz> was thinking the same. have it working fine using framework encrypt/decrypt to a cookie... issue comes up submitting to catalog and needing a CCAT number
Dec 04 06:43:52 <rbtwhiz> cant seem to get a response from palm on whether what i'm doing requires the CCAT
Dec 04 06:44:05 <edektor> I think you would be fine..
Dec 04 06:44:14 <edektor> Just submit it and they will tell you otherwise
Dec 04 06:45:31 <rbtwhiz> guess it couldn't hurt... already "pretty much worse case scenario" on the wait for responses
Dec 04 06:45:49 <rbtwhiz> from palm
Dec 04 07:20:01 <dawm> nice webOSRoundup said webOS correctly
Dec 04 07:58:04 <miezu> Hi everybody, I read that webos has  a geocoding api. Does anyone heard about this? And how can it be used?
Dec 04 08:59:24 <Laxidasical> Are you talking about the GPS service?
Dec 04 09:00:59 <Laxidasical> miezu: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1673
Dec 04 09:05:00 <Laxidasical> miezu: If you want an address from a lat/lon, use getReverseLocation
Dec 04 09:08:25 <EdLin> hi, I'm getting a Palm Pre today and I'm wondering if you have any suggestions for me. :)
Dec 04 09:11:23 <EdLin> don't all speak at once! :)
Dec 04 09:16:38 <sui> hi
Dec 04 10:04:53 <joekinley> EdLin get yourself a crystal case
Dec 04 10:05:40 <pandora---> EdLin: don't get one through sprint
Dec 04 10:05:49 <pandora---> that's my jaded, bitter advice
Dec 04 10:06:27 <joekinley> type in "upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbastart"
Dec 04 10:08:23 <EdLin> do the crystal cases work with the touchstone?
Dec 04 10:09:10 <joekinley> there are some but it is kinda quirky i read... did not use it myself though ... i don't have a touchstone
Dec 04 10:15:52 <Maulkin> I doubt that they would work with a touchstone.
Dec 04 10:16:42 <EdLin> I heard it came with a pouch, that's inadaquate? I always keep my keys in my other pocket from my phone. Good habit from when I didn't have a holster for my Centro.
Dec 04 10:17:23 <joshua> I loved the pouch that came with my Pre. I lost it when I was at the park taking pictures and was really annoyed at myself
Dec 04 10:17:28 <joshua> especially because they don't sell replacements
Dec 04 10:17:38 <joshua> I ended up putting a skin on it
Dec 04 10:25:05 <EdLin> what crystal cases are you using?
Dec 04 10:25:17 <EdLin> I spotted some on amazon, but they had abysmal ratings.
Dec 04 13:37:54 <atlanta> goodmonring
Dec 04 13:39:05 <fearphage> http://phonegap.com/ anyone working on or seen any work on integrating with webos?
Dec 04 13:46:02 <Bmyers_away> morn'n atlanta.. u bring the coffee this morning?
Dec 04 13:46:25 <atlanta> nope OJ is my cup of tea
Dec 04 13:47:15 <Bmyers_away> coffee is my cup o tea.. OJ is good tho.. with a shot of vodka..
Dec 04 13:51:39 <atlanta> lol true true
Dec 04 13:51:45 <atlanta> thats my weekend cup of tea
Dec 04 13:51:45 <atlanta> lol
Dec 04 14:02:13 <Roy-Pre101> fearphage: I've heard rumors that they're working on it.
Dec 04 14:05:10 <fearphage> i just heard they added maemo support and went to see if webos was supported
Dec 04 14:05:57 <fearphage> http://groups.google.com/group/phonegap/browse_thread/thread/398289cbf5692802?hl=en&pli=1
Dec 04 14:06:00 <fearphage> found it
Dec 04 14:06:13 <fearphage> says january
Dec 04 14:06:16 <fearphage> cool
Dec 04 14:34:13 <webOSroundup> good morning all
Dec 04 14:34:55 <Bmyers_away> he's back..
Dec 04 14:35:48 <webOSroundup> yup yup
Dec 04 14:35:54 <webOSroundup> sleepy...but here
Dec 04 14:36:32 <Bmyers_away> well atlanta is having Vodka an oj for breakfast. he's hard core..
Dec 04 14:36:47 <atlanta> :-)
Dec 04 14:36:50 <atlanta> just got done
Dec 04 14:36:53 <atlanta> and im at work
Dec 04 14:36:59 <atlanta> THROWED!
Dec 04 14:37:52 <webOSroundup> wow
Dec 04 14:37:58 <webOSroundup> that is dedication right there
Dec 04 14:38:00 <atlanta> full bottle of 151
Dec 04 14:38:03 <atlanta> :-)
Dec 04 14:38:18 <atlanta> no let the coding begin
Dec 04 14:38:31 <webOSroundup> yes...let it...should be interesting to see :)
Dec 04 14:38:54 <atlanta> yup yup
Dec 04 14:38:59 <atlanta> lol
Dec 04 14:39:09 <atlanta> and admob created the ad solution
Dec 04 14:39:11 <atlanta> so here i come
Dec 04 14:45:47 <atlanta> ok if palm does expand this messaging app api
Dec 04 14:45:50 <atlanta>  im going to go crazy
Dec 04 14:46:18 <webOSroundup> you aren't crazy after a bottle of 151?
Dec 04 14:46:22 <webOSroundup> impressive :)
Dec 04 14:47:02 <atlanta> lol i know right
Dec 04 14:47:08 <atlanta> only took a swig
Dec 04 14:47:09 <atlanta> lol
Dec 04 14:47:17 <atlanta> nall saving it for later lol
Dec 04 15:42:04 <CTLAdvance-work> Good Morning
Dec 04 15:42:32 <EdLin> good morning
Dec 04 15:42:41 <EdLin> I'm getting my Pre via fedex today.
Dec 04 15:42:53 <CTLAdvance-work> nice
Dec 04 15:43:04 <EdLin> it'll be a nice upgrade from the Centro
Dec 04 15:44:33 <PREA> are you going to start patching right away EdLin?
Dec 04 15:45:21 <EdLin> I don't know, with an update coming so soon according to the blogs I'm a bit reluctant to if it messes up updates. Is it easy to reverse patches for updating?
Dec 04 15:45:48 <PREA> yea, there is a utility to remove them all at once.
Dec 04 15:46:06 <EdLin> cool
Dec 04 15:46:09 <PREA> but you have to add them back on one at a time
Dec 04 15:46:14 <EdLin> OK
Dec 04 15:46:18 <Bmyers_away> u r gonna love it over the centro
Dec 04 15:46:59 <EdLin> I sure hope so, I use the Centro's PIM a lot, I'll miss it if the experience of the calendar/tasks/memos is worse on the Pre.
Dec 04 15:47:13 <webOSroundup> quiet mornin'
Dec 04 15:47:29 * EdLin will try to make it less quiet
Dec 04 15:48:03 <webOSroundup> my wife just came from a centro
Dec 04 15:48:07 <PREA> I never used to use PIM tools b4 getting the Pre b/c I didnt like having to sync w/desktop.  Living on the cloud is great!
Dec 04 15:48:10 <webOSroundup> she isn't a fan of the calendar
Dec 04 15:48:20 <webOSroundup> it isn't as functional
Dec 04 15:48:26 <webOSroundup> but it looks a whole lot better :P
Dec 04 15:48:27 <EdLin> oh well, I suppose I'll get used to it.
Dec 04 15:48:45 <webOSroundup> she has a pixi
Dec 04 15:49:00 <EdLin> I use datebk6 on my centro, it is even better than the stock calendar apps.
Dec 04 15:49:54 <EdLin> is it possible to transfer paid apps on the centro to the Pre without having to pay for them again to run them in Classic?
Dec 04 15:56:23 <PREA> that's a good question.  You might want to search the MotionApps forum on precentral.net.  If you can find the answer, then just post.  The Classic devs are usually good about answering.
Dec 04 15:56:40 <PREA> cant*
Dec 04 15:57:55 <PREA> http://forums.precentral.net/official-classic/
Dec 04 16:06:42 <PREA> If I change the emoticons on my pre, do they get sent to ppl that way, or do they still see their regular emoticons?
Dec 04 16:07:34 <atlanta> regular
Dec 04 16:07:43 <atlanta> they are regular even when u see the icons
Dec 04 16:07:53 <atlanta> just something nice for u to look at
Dec 04 16:08:25 <PREA> ok, not worth the time then.  nobody ever sends me emoticons anyway
Dec 04 16:08:26 <PREA> =[
Dec 04 16:15:28 <EdLin> hmm, the answer is probably yes, you can select the same hotsync ID as the device you licensed the apps on and it should work!
Dec 04 16:25:28 <renegaid> why does the pre stutter so much when playing videos
Dec 04 16:28:11 <EdLin> no GPU acceleration probably
Dec 04 16:28:29 <EdLin> the Pre has a GPU, but it's presently unenabled.
Dec 04 16:29:49 <webOSroundup> hardware wise the pre rivals the 3GS...but they have hobbled it and put it in a wheelchair for some reason
Dec 04 16:29:50 <PuffTheMagic> the GPU isnt "disabled"
Dec 04 16:29:50 <PuffTheMagic> its just not being used
Dec 04 16:30:06 <webOSroundup> there is no way to use it currently...same as being disabled really
Dec 04 16:30:18 <EdLin> PuffTheMagic: I didn't say disabled, I said not enabled.
Dec 04 16:30:23 <EdLin> there's a difference
Dec 04 16:31:06 <EdLin> at least, I *think* there's a difference. ;-)
Dec 04 16:31:08 <renegaid> i looked at the video stats on palm.com and the video i am looking at is way below the stats yet it stutters
Dec 04 16:31:19 <renegaid> why is it not enabled
Dec 04 16:31:35 <EdLin> difficult to use a GPU with HTML and JS?
Dec 04 16:32:04 <renegaid> i am not technical like that.
Dec 04 16:32:19 <renegaid> so basically a gpu is in there for nothing
Dec 04 16:32:40 <EdLin> renegaid: well, its simple really. How many web pages act like video games, other than simple flash stuff?
Dec 04 16:32:58 <EdLin> renegaid: HTML and JS are the languages of web pages, hence WebOS.
Dec 04 16:33:16 <PuffTheMagic> EdLin: its not not-enabled
Dec 04 16:33:33 <EdLin> not utilized then
Dec 04 16:33:34 <renegaid> a gpu should be used for video playback though
Dec 04 16:33:43 <PuffTheMagic> which is what i first said
Dec 04 16:33:50 <renegaid> every video i put on it stutters at some point
Dec 04 16:33:55 <EdLin> renegaid: everything is done via HTML and JS, even hardware access.
Dec 04 16:34:36 <renegaid> i see. do you know if they plan to solve the problem
Dec 04 16:34:47 <EdLin> they may start using the GPU, either native apps or via webGL which is a new technology in webkit.
Dec 04 16:35:12 <dawm> good mornin
Dec 04 16:35:24 <renegaid> i hope so
Dec 04 16:35:30 <EdLin> anyone who works for Palm in the channel who can confirm or deny? ;-)
Dec 04 16:35:35 <renegaid> the video playback is really disappointing
Dec 04 16:36:27 <renegaid> 480 x 272 @587kbps and it stutters a lot
Dec 04 16:36:34 <EdLin> I had the same problem with my N810 internet tablet, it had a GPU but the OS didn't use it, with even less of an excuse than WebOS had for underutilizing it.
Dec 04 16:36:53 <EdLin> the N900 tho does use the N900's GPU
Dec 04 16:37:37 <webOSroundup> Hey dawm
Dec 04 16:37:48 <dawm> hows it goin?
Dec 04 16:37:52 <webOSroundup> good good
Dec 04 16:37:55 <webOSroundup> tired, but good
Dec 04 16:38:02 <webOSroundup> got my review up last night at 2am
Dec 04 16:38:10 <PuffTheMagic> gpu will be used soon
Dec 04 16:38:14 <PuffTheMagic> i can guarantee it
Dec 04 16:38:30 <webOSroundup> good to hear puff...will make the apps awesomer
Dec 04 16:38:33 <dawm> babybump? yeah i saw :P
Dec 04 16:38:45 <webOSroundup> a niche app, but very well done
Dec 04 16:38:58 <dawm> and you said webos correctly :P
Dec 04 16:39:04 <webOSroundup> those girls could teach some lessons on creating a polished app right there
Dec 04 16:39:10 <webOSroundup> I told you I would!!!
Dec 04 16:39:19 <webOSroundup> I am slow, but I can be taught
Dec 04 16:44:17 <renegaid> i hope palm adds wma and wmv support
Dec 04 16:45:43 <webOSroundup> heck...flash would be good at this point :P
Dec 04 16:47:48 <PREA> If I have not applied a theme, but I have changed a few default icons and bg images, do I need to restore the defaults before updating?
Dec 04 16:54:06 <eekfuh> who wants chowder?
Dec 04 16:54:46 <dawm> soo.. never order from dickies.com .. returns/exchanges take 3-4weeks..
Dec 04 16:54:49 <gkatsev> chowda'?
Dec 04 16:54:54 <gkatsev> clam chowda'?
Dec 04 16:55:39 <eekfuh> lol
Dec 04 16:56:08 <dawm> ordered some coveralls the same size as the ones i have (different brand) but it was 1foot too long in all directions. sent it back for exchange but i dont think i'll get the replacement in time for this craptacular michigan weather
Dec 04 17:14:24 <Roy-Pre101> webOSroundup: Did you forget to tweet about your new post?
Dec 04 17:14:55 <eekfuh> 20% cashback on bing for walmart
Dec 04 17:14:57 <eekfuh> sweet
Dec 04 17:15:18 <webOSroundup> nope
Dec 04 17:15:23 <webOSroundup> did it not go up?
Dec 04 17:15:38 <dBsooner-work> webOSroundup: whats your tweet?
Dec 04 17:16:11 <webOSroundup> I used twitterfeed to cross post to my twitter
Dec 04 17:16:21 <webOSroundup> it put up the post about my review of babybump
Dec 04 17:16:41 <webOSroundup> finished that review at 2am
Dec 04 17:16:45 <webOSroundup> man I am tired
Dec 04 17:17:06 <dBsooner-work> twitter url?
Dec 04 17:17:11 <webOSroundup> @webosroundup
Dec 04 17:19:22 <dBsooner-work> following you
Dec 04 17:19:26 <webOSroundup> thanks!
Dec 04 17:19:37 <webOSroundup> I started following you this morning
Dec 04 17:19:43 <webOSroundup> found you from adora
Dec 04 17:19:57 <dBsooner-work> Cool! I usually post about updates to the webOS-Patches feed.
Dec 04 17:20:03 <dBsooner-work> but I also have random rants.
Dec 04 17:20:13 <dBsooner-work> And my obsession with Adora and Chuq.
Dec 04 17:20:20 <webOSroundup> hehe
Dec 04 17:20:20 <dBsooner-work> j/k
Dec 04 17:20:34 <webOSroundup> I like to keep up with all the palm devs
Dec 04 17:20:41 <webOSroundup> so I know what is coming down the pipe
Dec 04 17:21:03 <dBsooner-work> I like to keep up my pants.. but hey, everyone has to have something.
Dec 04 17:21:04 <webOSroundup> so...if you are a dev...shoot me an email to tell me your twitter if you can
Dec 04 17:21:39 <webOSroundup> david@webosroundup.com
Dec 04 17:24:23 <dBsooner-work> see.. like my most current rant
Dec 04 17:24:50 <dawm> webOSroundup, i followed you, so you should be able to find my twitter acct :P
Dec 04 17:25:01 <dawm> altho i rarely use twitter
Dec 04 17:25:12 <webOSroundup> Got it
Dec 04 17:25:30 <webOSroundup> its all good...I never touch my personal twitter
Dec 04 17:25:38 <webOSroundup> just signed up so I could follow people
Dec 04 17:25:46 <webOSroundup> and get spam of course...I love spam
Dec 04 17:26:05 <Shiggity> most people do
Dec 04 17:26:24 <dawm> i only tweet when im stuck in traffic traveling or app related
Dec 04 17:26:35 <webOSroundup> all these pretty ladies keep signing up and telling me they want to be my friend
Dec 04 17:26:41 <dawm> lol
Dec 04 17:26:42 <webOSroundup> how can I say no to that?!
Dec 04 17:28:07 <Rick_work> thank GHOD   Snowglobe update finally pushed.
Dec 04 17:31:12 * dBsooner-work runs to find Snowglobe's update..
Dec 04 17:34:51 <dBsooner-work> :(
Dec 04 17:38:09 <webOSroundup> I am starting to get hits from around Europe
Dec 04 17:38:22 <webOSroundup> I feel bad for them...almost like I am teasing them with what they can't have
Dec 04 17:38:24 <webOSroundup> yet
Dec 04 17:38:29 <danlash2> anyone know how to center a RadioButton inside of a palm-row?
Dec 04 17:40:58 <FreeTim3> style sheet change right - extend the style
Dec 04 17:41:25 <FreeTim3> i've done it for a regular button but not for a RadioButton
Dec 04 17:41:50 <danlash2> hmm,what do you mean extend the style?
Dec 04 17:42:08 <danlash2> i've tried adding "margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;" to a custom class
Dec 04 17:42:13 <danlash2> but it didnt c enter
Dec 04 17:43:17 <Marss> Anyone heard anything on the video recorder?
Dec 04 17:43:56 <Rick_work> Marss  work continues
Dec 04 17:44:21 <FreeTim3> danlash2: I can't find my example code on it...
Dec 04 17:45:15 <FreeTim3> The video recorder works in alpha though. I ran it this morning - it's at least functional.
Dec 04 17:46:07 <dBsooner-work>  /msg Rick_work you get my message? I wonder why it didn't show up in the 1.3.5 seed.
Dec 04 17:46:15 <dBsooner-work> wtf?
Dec 04 17:46:25 <Rick_work> no idea
Dec 04 17:46:32 <Mousey> lol
Dec 04 17:46:37 <FreeTim3> can anyone else help Danlash with radio button question -  ? I'm a bit lost on it
Dec 04 17:46:52 * dBsooner-work slaps Pidgin for not doing /msg!
Dec 04 17:47:50 <Shiggity> niiiiice pidgin. you should have been using wIRC.
Dec 04 17:48:48 <dBsooner-work> LOl.. If only my battery would last all day while using wIRC.
Dec 04 17:49:09 <dBsooner-work> i work from 8am till at least 7pm
Dec 04 17:49:17 <Rick_work> build an external batt pack like I did.
Dec 04 17:49:33 <dBsooner-work> not all of us are "the shack" geeks.
Dec 04 17:49:43 <Rick_work> four rechargable 3.2 lithium aaa's in a little battery pack.  -- one wire.  Done.
Dec 04 17:49:43 <Shiggity> same. I just got a second touchstone. drives the iphone guys nuts.
Dec 04 17:49:57 <webOSroundup> I need to get a second charger
Dec 04 17:50:08 <webOSroundup> I hate that it is necessary, but I do everything on my phone now
Dec 04 17:50:12 <webOSroundup> battery dies about 5pm
Dec 04 17:50:18 <dBsooner-work> Shiggity: My office is a 'cable' van.
Dec 04 17:51:04 <dBsooner-work> i wonder if I can shave the plug of a Car Charger to fit into the touchstone?
Dec 04 17:51:57 <dBsooner-work> @Palm: Fleet Tweet?
Dec 04 17:52:01 <dBsooner-work> ANOTHER twitter app?
Dec 04 17:53:28 <Marss> Wirc should reconnect when disconnected
Dec 04 17:53:38 <chuqui> the more the merrier
Dec 04 17:53:55 <dBsooner-work> chuqui: 5 wasn't enough?
Dec 04 17:54:03 <dBsooner-work> Like the Tip calc's. :D
Dec 04 17:54:11 <chuqui> evidently not...
Dec 04 17:54:31 <chuqui> hey, they wanted to write them. I think it's great.
Dec 04 17:54:34 <dBsooner-work> cool.. I like to have a selection.
Dec 04 17:54:40 <chuqui> psuh each other to make them better. everyone wins.
Dec 04 17:54:44 <dBsooner-work> Hey, I am not knocking it at all.
Dec 04 17:54:57 <dBsooner-work> I was just commenting on it being another twitter app
Dec 04 17:55:14 <dBsooner-work> Someone has to top Topple Ball though
Dec 04 17:57:07 <atlanta> im back
Dec 04 17:57:13 <dBsooner-work> hahaha
Dec 04 17:57:15 <dBsooner-work> pFart
Dec 04 17:57:21 <dBsooner-work> pFart = 1.99
Dec 04 17:57:31 <dBsooner-work> Name though.. classic.
Dec 04 17:58:53 <Adora> pFart is actually pretty good  =X
Dec 04 17:59:05 <Adora> I HATE HATE HATE to admit it
Dec 04 17:59:13 <Adora> but I was actually...impressed
Dec 04 17:59:16 <Adora> you know, for a fart app
Dec 04 17:59:27 <Mousey> wth
Dec 04 18:00:42 <Shiggity> ...
Dec 04 18:01:13 <Adora> wut
Dec 04 18:01:17 <Mousey> i just never understood fart apps
Dec 04 18:01:25 * Mousey is too stuck up
Dec 04 18:01:55 <eekfuh> hi Adora
Dec 04 18:02:49 <eekfuh> amazing
Dec 04 18:02:57 <eekfuh> i woudl totally buy a random number generator for $.99
Dec 04 18:03:45 <dawm> lol
Dec 04 18:04:10 <dawm> i think you can ask google for a random number
Dec 04 18:04:21 <Adora> heya eekfuh
Dec 04 18:04:48 <eekfuh> hows the palm life?
Dec 04 18:04:51 <dBsooner-work> random numbers is a pretty standard built-in command in most coding languages.
Dec 04 18:05:17 <eekfuh> i'd still pay for the app
Dec 04 18:05:23 <eekfuh> amiright?
Dec 04 18:05:31 <dBsooner-work> true.
Dec 04 18:06:12 <eekfuh> lol it has 1 star rating
Dec 04 18:06:13 <eekfuh> i love it
Dec 04 18:06:24 <dBsooner-work> are the dev accounts still on sale for $5 for the first year?
Dec 04 18:08:04 <Mars1> I was just looking at a video that was stuttering a lot then the palm logo came on like it restarted the pre
Dec 04 18:08:31 <Mars1> Happened couple times before. What causes this?
Dec 04 18:09:08 <dBsooner-work> memory?
Dec 04 18:09:10 <eekfuh> webkit crashed
Dec 04 18:09:16 <eekfuh> the browser crashed
Dec 04 18:09:21 <dawm> i hate how the internet isnt always up to date.. been getting alot of 404s lately in my searchs.. sadly the content is only 3yrs old.. you'd think it would stick around a bit longer
Dec 04 18:13:32 <lyht> Stupid internet. Someone should fix that.
Dec 04 18:13:56 <eekfuh> i'm on it
Dec 04 18:14:01 <dawm> lol
Dec 04 18:14:25 <eekfuh> found the issue
Dec 04 18:14:33 <eekfuh> gotta talk to the creator
Dec 04 18:14:34 <CTLAdvance-work> Hmm some one went through and deleted the funny app reviews from my app
Dec 04 18:14:39 <eekfuh> anyone got Al Gore's number?
Dec 04 18:14:46 <CTLAdvance-work> maybe
Dec 04 18:14:47 <CTLAdvance-work> why
Dec 04 18:15:03 <eekfuh> he's the only one who knows how to fix the net
Dec 04 18:15:24 <CTLAdvance-work> You mean like how he thinks he can fix global warming?
Dec 04 18:15:31 <CTLAdvance-work> good luck
Dec 04 18:15:33 <eekfuh> thought he already did
Dec 04 18:15:44 <eekfuh> didn't his movie fix it?
Dec 04 18:16:11 <lyht> totally fixed it. Global warming is all better now. Nice and warm.
Dec 04 18:16:14 <CTLAdvance-work> As far as I know he still owns one of the biggest energy using homes in the us and still rolls in an suv... sorry a group of suvs
Dec 04 18:16:33 <eekfuh> those SUV's have TV's in them
Dec 04 18:16:37 <eekfuh> don't complain
Dec 04 18:16:45 <eekfuh> its like the future
Dec 04 18:16:58 <eekfuh> actually i like al gore
Dec 04 18:17:20 <eekfuh> i even liked fat al gore
Dec 04 18:17:46 <CTLAdvance-work> Did you like his lock box?
Dec 04 18:17:54 <eekfuh> "lock box"
Dec 04 18:18:01 <eekfuh> i can only hear the snl kit now in my head
Dec 04 18:18:06 <eekfuh> skit*
Dec 04 18:18:08 <CTLAdvance-work> :)
Dec 04 18:18:20 <eekfuh> wasnt that daryl hammond?
Dec 04 18:18:27 <CTLAdvance-work> not sure
Dec 04 18:18:35 <eekfuh> yeah i think it was
Dec 04 18:18:37 <eekfuh> it was awesome
Dec 04 18:18:44 <eekfuh> and will ferrel as gw
Dec 04 18:19:21 <natenrb9> ctladvance-work: not to mention how he flies around in his own private jet…such a hypocrite
Dec 04 18:19:50 <natenrb9> but a brilliant scammer, he's made hundreds of millions from his Global Warming scam
Dec 04 18:19:59 <eekfuh> in a world where politicians are never hypocrites…. he really stands out
Dec 04 18:20:06 <natenrb9> lol
Dec 04 18:33:27 <drdru> anyone here who can help resolve a registration issue?
Dec 04 18:34:08 <dawm> ugh found another bug :(
Dec 04 18:40:06 <Mars1> I did a webos restore then a full erase but when I installed wirc it still had my settings. Even my brower history was still there
Dec 04 18:43:17 <CTLAdvance-work> You need to use the doctor
Dec 04 18:45:05 <lyht> drdru, registration issue?
Dec 04 18:45:30 <dawm> grr
Dec 04 18:47:43 <dawm> i use 2 cookies, and they arent staying to themselves.. when one is saved the other gets the data as well even tho its not coded that way
Dec 04 18:49:56 <atlanta> dawn it probably is coded that way
Dec 04 18:49:57 <atlanta> lol
Dec 04 18:50:18 <atlanta> wouldnt work that way if it wasnt coded that way
Dec 04 18:50:20 <atlanta> i ran into that issue before
Dec 04 18:51:18 <dawm> its not, i have two seperate save functions, one for each cookie. but it appears when the second one is setup its killing off the other
Dec 04 18:53:11 <Mars1> I just used the pixi. It is pretty slick
Dec 04 18:53:18 <lyht> mmm... not tried two seperate cookies before. I just use a single json object in one cookie to store a bunch of different stuff.
Dec 04 18:53:45 <Bmyers_away> cookies keys the same?
Dec 04 18:53:58 <dawm> they were similar, i just made them completely different
Dec 04 19:03:03 <swisstomcat> anyone here to discuss ares problems?
Dec 04 19:03:25 <chuqui> ares is under nda. here's not a good place to discuss. should be in the private forum...
Dec 04 19:03:25 <gkatsev> is ares out for people to use?
Dec 04 19:03:28 <Rick_work> NDA  can't discuss in this changel
Dec 04 19:03:40 <Rick_work> going to have to use the forums.
Dec 04 19:03:51 <swisstomcat> chuq: allright, will do
Dec 04 19:03:58 <LoneStar34> what about NWA?
Dec 04 19:04:24 <gkatsev> is there an ETA till some public release (alpha/beta/RC) of ares?
Dec 04 19:04:36 <LoneStar34> what is ares?
Dec 04 19:04:47 <LoneStar34> btw howdy folks!
Dec 04 19:04:49 <Rick_work> within the next 300 days LoneStar34
Dec 04 19:06:09 <Mars1> What is ares
Dec 04 19:06:14 <LoneStar34> Rick_work: what is 300 days?
Dec 04 19:06:23 <gkatsev> Mars1: your god? lol
Dec 04 19:06:47 <lyht> Mars1, http://www.infoworld.com/d/developer-world/palms-ares-webos-tool-allows-easy-app-dev-202
Dec 04 19:06:51 <gkatsev> its some wysiwyg webos editor
Dec 04 19:08:01 <LoneStar34> description of ares: http://uoid.me/ares1
Dec 04 19:09:06 <LoneStar34> gkatsev: ok thanks,  was in this channel until 3am last night no one mentioned ares
Dec 04 19:09:37 <LoneStar34> still installing x-server/ gnome been like 10+ hours
Dec 04 19:11:51 <gkatsev> LoneStar34: yeah, it has been mentioned when the news of it came out but hasnt really been mentioned since. i guess it has been released to a few people under nda
Dec 04 19:12:28 <LoneStar34> oh ok, cool
Dec 04 19:13:20 <dawm> ugh
Dec 04 19:14:20 <dawm> soo apparently you cant have two cookies with similar names.. i had 'SwapnDrop' and 'SwapnDropScores' occasionally scores would spill into the other cookie, renamed the scores cookie to jus 'Scores' and its working now.. is there a limit on the length of a cookie name?
Dec 04 19:22:38 <FreeTim3> I bet it's the first 8 chars or something weird like that
Dec 04 19:24:22 <dawm> guess its time to work on an online leaderboard system :P
Dec 04 19:26:57 <dawm> now to wait for the last update to reject so i can push the fixed one
Dec 04 19:27:27 <danlash2> ok, i don't get why i'm having this problem ... it seems so basic
Dec 04 19:27:33 <danlash2> i need to get the value from a TextField
Dec 04 19:27:40 <danlash2> and do a parseFloat on it
Dec 04 19:27:56 <atlanta> this.model.value
Dec 04 19:27:57 <danlash2> when i do, it gives me NaN, even though the value is 3.4
Dec 04 19:28:05 <danlash2> hmm
Dec 04 19:28:14 <atlanta> what ever the name of the model is
Dec 04 19:28:20 <atlanta> dawm:  did u fix it
Dec 04 19:28:20 <danlash2> i didnt think about the model
Dec 04 19:28:20 <atlanta> ?:
Dec 04 19:28:25 <dawm> yeh
Dec 04 19:28:28 <atlanta> what was it
Dec 04 19:28:29 <atlanta> ?
Dec 04 19:28:32 <atlanta> u had to push the list
Dec 04 19:28:33 <atlanta> ?
Dec 04 19:28:36 <dawm> nested switch() statements and stupid cookie issue were the cause
Dec 04 19:28:40 <atlanta> :-)
Dec 04 19:28:42 <atlanta> see told u
Dec 04 19:28:45 <atlanta> lol
Dec 04 19:29:12 <dawm> the cookie issue wasnt mine, but i changed the cookie name for scores and that fixed it
Dec 04 19:29:19 <dawm> i had 2 cookies, SwapnDrop and SwapnDropScores
Dec 04 19:29:19 <atlanta> oho k
Dec 04 19:29:26 <dawm> im guessing theres a cookie name limit
Dec 04 19:30:14 <Rick_work> cookies can't have names that entirely contain each other
Dec 04 19:30:25 <Rick_work> swapdrop1 and swapdrop2 would be fine
Dec 04 19:30:29 <dawm> i know that now :P
Dec 04 19:30:34 <Rick_work> but swapdrop and swapdrop2  isn't
Dec 04 19:30:40 <Rick_work> it's not a length thing.
Dec 04 19:31:04 <dawm> so swapndrop1 and swapndrop12 would be wrong then too right?
Dec 04 19:31:52 <danlash2> atlanta: that worked, thanks!
Dec 04 19:32:02 <atlanta> danlash2: no problemo
Dec 04 19:32:03 <danlash2> gotta get used to mvc s-tyle
Dec 04 19:32:13 <atlanta> danlash2: yea its kinda different
Dec 04 19:32:18 <gkatsev> danlash2: guess youll have swapdrop01 and swapdrop12
Dec 04 19:32:21 <atlanta> some time i leave out the model part
Dec 04 19:32:35 <dawm> ill have neither, i have swapndrop and scores :P
Dec 04 19:32:40 <atlanta> lol
Dec 04 19:32:49 <dawm> good to know tho
Dec 04 19:33:02 <danlash2> gkatsev: what?
Dec 04 19:33:09 <atlanta> he was talking to the wrong person
Dec 04 19:33:12 <danlash2> ah
Dec 04 19:33:23 <gkatsev> lol, tabfail
Dec 04 19:33:33 <atlanta> lol
Dec 04 19:33:35 <gkatsev> sorry, danlash2
Dec 04 19:33:48 <danlash2> its all good :-)
Dec 04 19:36:51 <atlanta> he got his app fixed so he happyu
Dec 04 19:36:51 <atlanta> lol
Dec 04 19:37:27 <sui> re
Dec 04 19:41:33 <natenrb9> is anyone that knows how to use komodo with the webOS addon around?
Dec 04 19:42:13 <atlanta> yea
Dec 04 19:42:16 <atlanta> i love it
Dec 04 19:42:18 <atlanta> what u need help with
Dec 04 19:43:56 <natenrb9> so I want to port existing projects over to it, I created a project, and it created it, and then I went to the src/ folder and replaced the contents
Dec 04 19:44:14 <natenrb9> but when I open up komodo it doesn't register, nothing to open...
Dec 04 19:44:32 <atlanta> do u have the project view on the left open
Dec 04 19:44:32 <atlanta> ?
Dec 04 19:44:33 <natenrb9> do I have to do the "Path" to a specific place...?
Dec 04 19:44:47 <atlanta> yea u have to make sure its in the src file of the project
Dec 04 19:44:49 <LoneStar34> anyone know if a shake  event can be mimicked on the emulator
Dec 04 19:44:55 <atlanta> and it will populate the project area
Dec 04 19:45:01 <atlanta> LoneStar34: no it cant
Dec 04 19:45:14 <LoneStar34> not even via command line?
Dec 04 19:45:44 <natenrb9> atlanta: there we go, opened up the left pane and went directly to the kpf file and opened it
Dec 04 19:45:49 <natenrb9> thanks!
Dec 04 19:46:47 <atlanta> no problem
Dec 04 19:46:51 <atlanta> LoneStar34: not that i know of
Dec 04 19:47:00 <atlanta>  but far as keystroke i know there isnt
Dec 04 19:47:09 <natenrb9> lonestar: I don't think there is...
Dec 04 19:48:04 <natenrb9> atlanta: so how do I get komodo connected to my emulator (been using terminal) it says "could not connect"
Dec 04 19:48:17 <atlanta> what u mean
Dec 04 19:48:18 <atlanta>  ?
Dec 04 19:48:28 <atlanta> do u have the emulator open
Dec 04 19:48:28 <atlanta> ?
Dec 04 19:48:33 <atlanta> give me one sec
Dec 04 19:48:39 <LoneStar34> natenrb9: do you think the internal folks would know?
Dec 04 19:48:48 <natenrb9> atlanta: yeah, emulator is open
Dec 04 19:48:58 <natenrb9> lonestar: possibly so
Dec 04 19:52:31 <atlanta> LoneStar34: theres not a way
Dec 04 19:52:42 <atlanta> natenrb9:  and no connection
Dec 04 19:52:46 <atlanta> do u have a firewall on
Dec 04 19:52:47 <atlanta> ?
Dec 04 19:53:42 <LoneStar34> atlanta: ok thanks
Dec 04 19:53:44 <natenrb9> atlanta: well yeah it has one…but would that block something from my own computer...?
Dec 04 19:54:40 <atlanta> try restarting emulator
Dec 04 19:54:45 <atlanta> and komodo
Dec 04 19:54:52 <atlanta> then my next guess would be a firewall
Dec 04 19:55:00 <natenrb9> k
Dec 04 19:56:18 <dBsooner-work> Awesome!
Dec 04 19:56:35 <dBsooner-work> The new Sprint Micro-Usb car charger actually fits into the Touchstone's hole.
Dec 04 19:56:40 <dBsooner-work> No modification needed.
Dec 04 19:59:13 <natenrb9> atlanta: lol, oh man…I didn't realize there were different buttons for device and the emulator…got it now
Dec 04 20:04:41 <natenrb9> well this komodo and webOS addon are very handy, been using just jEdit and the terminal!
Dec 04 20:05:55 <atlanta> natenrb9:  lol
Dec 04 20:06:03 <atlanta> easier than we thought
Dec 04 20:06:10 <atlanta> and yes i have started to love komodo
Dec 04 20:06:14 <natenrb9> lol, yep
Dec 04 20:06:14 <atlanta> Templarian1: did a great job
Dec 04 20:07:05 <natenrb9> yeah, looks to be very awesome
Dec 04 20:07:11 <dBsooner-work> isn't there another programming suite/
Dec 04 20:07:28 <gkatsev> there's palm's eclipse plugin with aptana
Dec 04 20:07:35 <lyht> dBsooner-work, I have been using Eclipse.
Dec 04 20:07:36 <dBsooner-work> yeah, thats it
Dec 04 20:07:42 <lyht> Works well.
Dec 04 20:07:54 <gkatsev> komodo has code completion :)
Dec 04 20:07:55 <dBsooner-work> I have used Eclipse in the past.
Dec 04 20:08:02 <dBsooner-work> I think I am going to give Komodo a try
Dec 04 20:08:05 <lyht> Although there are a few code forming things it does that drive me nuts
Dec 04 20:08:10 <dBsooner-work> I have heard good things.
Dec 04 20:08:50 <atlanta> dBsooner-work: yea its a good combo
Dec 04 20:08:53 <atlanta> try it out
Dec 04 20:09:07 <atlanta> and lyht i found eclipse to be on the confusing side for less advance users
Dec 04 20:09:50 <LoneStar34> have both komodo is sweet for web development, but have not tried it for weboS dev.
Dec 04 20:10:37 <lyht> atlanta, no doubt there are things about it that are odd. Importing existing projects to name one. But the code completion, auto scene generation, JS error checking, and the quick launch of apps on the emulator have been working great for me.
Dec 04 20:11:06 <atlanta> ehhh komodo and the addon has that in the bag
Dec 04 20:11:06 <atlanta> lol
Dec 04 20:11:56 <lyht> Yah, I would imagine the features are quite compairable.
Dec 04 20:12:40 <gkatsev> lyht: does eclipse now have mojo completion?
Dec 04 20:13:17 <LoneStar34> what about frontpage, midi files and  animated gifs?
Dec 04 20:14:33 <lyht> Sorta, but not really. What it does it keep track of the stuff you do, and offer it in the future. So if I do Mojo.Log.error() once, it is there for me as code completion in the same project later. But that stuff is not there automatically, and it would be cool to have the more complicated service call available in code completion.
Dec 04 20:16:11 <atlanta> thats wack then
Dec 04 20:16:11 <atlanta> lol
Dec 04 20:16:24 <atlanta> KOMODO FTW
Dec 04 20:16:34 <atlanta> LoneStar34: what aobut them
Dec 04 20:17:34 <Roy-Pre101> Hmm, which mobile book formats do palm apps support?  I can download this book in epub or mobi format.  Any suggestions?
Dec 04 20:19:03 <LoneStar34> atlanta: kinda a joke, just retro web development
Dec 04 20:19:35 <natenrb9> Has anyone identified a way to note an incoming call besides 'resize'? (Note: stageDeactivate doesn't register until you answer the call…)
Dec 04 20:19:58 <atlanta> natenrb9:  huh?
Dec 04 20:20:04 <atlanta> LoneStar34: ohhh llol
Dec 04 20:20:10 <atlanta> oh ok
Dec 04 20:20:13 <atlanta>  nevermind i kinda got it
Dec 04 20:20:14 <atlanta> lol
Dec 04 20:20:28 <atlanta> old skool programming things
Dec 04 20:20:30 <atlanta> CHECK!
Dec 04 20:20:31 <atlanta> lol
Dec 04 20:21:50 <natenrb9> when your app is open, if an incoming call comes in, I was just wondering if anyone had another way (besides those mentioned) for the app to know a call is coming in.
Dec 04 20:23:50 <yetdog_> natenrb9: i saw someone mention yesterday about the screen resize?
Dec 04 20:24:33 <yetdog_> perhaps the app can detect that the screen resizes when a call is coming in
Dec 04 20:24:50 <natenrb9> yedog_: lol, yeah, that was me and dawm discussing that.  It works, but not with a fullscreen scene (which I have…).
Dec 04 20:26:22 <yetdog_> ah yes, sorry :)
Dec 04 20:32:31 <yetdog> iim actually online via tethering w/ my pre. i love this phone/network :) watched the jets game last night on nfl network streaming on the pre. wow
Dec 04 20:36:07 <eekfuh> awesome
Dec 04 20:36:55 <yetdog> and will be driving to the airport using sprint nav
Dec 04 20:37:08 <yetdog> all included on my unlimited plan w/ discount for $62/month
Dec 04 20:37:17 <yetdog> would cost $180 on att
Dec 04 20:37:40 <eekfuh> adora did you get my email
Dec 04 20:38:00 <natenrb9> yetdog: agreed, sprint is an awesome deal
Dec 04 20:38:09 <natenrb9> and the internet is blazing fast!
Dec 04 20:38:33 <yetdog> super fast. data network is night and day compared to att
Dec 04 20:38:38 <yetdog> that what made me dump the iphone
Dec 04 20:46:58 <dBsooner-work> yetdog: Umm.. Do you have a Phone-As-Modem plan?
Dec 04 20:47:34 <dBsooner-work> those alone are like $70 a month.. without any voice minutes.
Dec 04 20:47:53 <dBsooner-work> If you tether on sprint without a Phone As modem plan, you are in violation of the terms of use.
Dec 04 20:50:07 <dBsooner-work> Even with a phone as modem plan, the maximum use is 5GB/mo
Dec 04 20:51:55 <natenrb9> dBsooner-work: are you an undercover sprint agent…?
Dec 04 20:52:14 <dBsooner-work> Nope, used to work there though.
Dec 04 20:52:29 <dBsooner-work> And I try to keep you all safe because this channel is logged.
Dec 04 20:52:30 <dBsooner-work> ;)
Dec 04 20:52:52 <dBsooner-work> And talking about PaM with Sprint without the plan = no-no. :D
Dec 04 20:54:29 <gkatsev> is there a way to get a statement not logged? like infobot wont log statements starting with a space
Dec 04 20:55:28 <dBsooner-work> i don't think infobot is the logger..
Dec 04 20:56:05 <dBsooner-work> but i don't think there is
Dec 04 20:57:00 <FreeTim3> www.freenode.net would be the place to look regarding logging.
Dec 04 20:58:02 <PREA> if I've replaced some of the default icons and bg images, do I need to replace the originals before updating?
Dec 04 21:11:13 <PREA> anyone?
Dec 04 21:11:41 <pandora--> hrm?
Dec 04 21:11:59 <lyht> PREA, not sure what you are asking.
Dec 04 21:12:10 <pandora--> anyone know how 1 review of 1 star + 1 review of 5 stars == a 1 star rating for my app?
Dec 04 21:12:10 <lyht> before updating what?
Dec 04 21:12:35 <natenrb9> pandora: the averaging in the catalog sucks...
Dec 04 21:12:44 <natenrb9> I have sent emails in about the bugs...
Dec 04 21:12:46 <lyht> pandora--, I have seen it take a little bit to update the front page of your app.
Dec 04 21:12:57 <PREA> before updating webos
Dec 04 21:13:03 <lyht> I have seen apps that have zero reviews, but when I go in there, there are a handfull
Dec 04 21:13:23 <pandora--> lyht: ya the front page says 1 review 1 star, but if you go in there's a 2nd at 5 stars
Dec 04 21:13:40 <pandora--> which is cool, since the 1 star rating didn't understand what the app was supposed to do. *sigh*
Dec 04 21:13:45 <lyht> PREA, changing the images should not break anything in a webos update. It updates the code, and completely replaces the images if it wants to.
Dec 04 21:13:52 <natenrb9> yeah, the average review is taking forever to get posted...
Dec 04 21:14:31 <PREA> ok, b/c I know it is advised to remove themes, but I am just changing a few icons and other images, not putting on a whole theme.
Dec 04 21:14:42 <lyht> I think the counts are also not always up-to-date. My guess is that the phone caches some of that stuff so it does not have to poll the server every time.
Dec 04 21:15:13 <lyht> PREA, if things go screwey, you can always use the doctor.
Dec 04 21:15:21 <kesne-school> hey all!
Dec 04 21:15:25 <LoneStar34> pandora: was in there some weeks ago, and peeps were discussing a possible bug with the rating system
Dec 04 21:15:35 <lyht> kesne-school, wat-up!
Dec 04 21:15:37 <pandora--> hm ya
Dec 04 21:15:39 <LoneStar34> was in the channel
Dec 04 21:15:53 <chuqui> yes, some of the app catalog review info is cached and/or updated non-realtime
Dec 04 21:16:03 <eekfuh> like the reviews for WootOn!?
Dec 04 21:16:04 <kesne-school> chuqui! You iz here!
Dec 04 21:16:11 <kesne-school> lyht: Yo dawg!
Dec 04 21:16:18 <chuqui> and -- gasp-- there seem to be some bugs in how it's calculated.
Dec 04 21:16:18 <natenrb9> lonestar: that was probably me and some people
Dec 04 21:16:21 <eekfuh> cause the reviews for WootOn! (the star rating) has never been updated
Dec 04 21:16:25 <natenrb9> yes, bugs in the averaging
Dec 04 21:16:40 <natenrb9> chuqui had said he has sent in a bug notification
Dec 04 21:16:42 <chuqui> I'm actually reviewing/moderating review comments now. pray for me.
Dec 04 21:17:02 <lyht> Well... that is what we are here for... test the betaness of the catalog and stuff, and help find bugs, right?
Dec 04 21:17:05 <natenrb9> chuqui: in the app catalog?
Dec 04 21:17:12 <chuqui> yeah
Dec 04 21:17:16 <gkatsev> chuqui: im sorry.
Dec 04 21:17:25 <lyht> chuqui, fun for you.
Dec 04 21:17:32 <natenrb9> chuqui: so you will actually take out unreasonable ones?
Dec 04 21:17:32 <chuqui> someone has to. I didn't duck fast enough...
Dec 04 21:17:43 <natenrb9> chuqui: or what are your purposes there?
Dec 04 21:17:48 <Adora> chuqui: do you read them all, or do you sit around thinking of what curse words to search for?
Dec 04 21:17:52 <chuqui> yes, assuming your definition of "unreasonable" matches mine.
Dec 04 21:18:05 <gkatsev> chuqui: make a site of all the stupid "quotes" a la bookmine: http://www.bookmine.com/stupid.php
Dec 04 21:18:10 <natenrb9> lol mine = anything below a 5 star review :)
Dec 04 21:18:42 <chuqui> adora: both, actually. I search for some key words to make sure I don't miss them, and then I read EVERY SINGLE REVIEW looking for stuff I might otherwise miss. well, scan them, at least.
Dec 04 21:18:50 <rwhitby> morning
Dec 04 21:18:56 <chuqui> hey, rod. morning.
Dec 04 21:19:09 <chuqui> "unreasonable" != "negative".
Dec 04 21:19:16 <lyht> Morning? Where are you rwhitby?
Dec 04 21:19:36 <rwhitby> GMT+10:30
Dec 04 21:19:36 <gkatsev> lyht: in the land down under.
Dec 04 21:19:47 <gkatsev> where the drop bear might attack at any moment
Dec 04 21:19:59 <lyht> nice. Had some friends there.
Dec 04 21:20:04 <chuqui> try to be really careful not to bias the reviews by removing stuff just because it's not positive.
Dec 04 21:20:58 <kesne-school> webosschool-just: you alive?
Dec 04 21:21:38 <webosschool-just> kesne-school: yeah! what rumors have you heard :)
Dec 04 21:21:48 <rwhitby> One of our developers is getting close to having printing over wifi working on the Pre: http://ross154.net/~mprov/Pre/browser_2009-04-12_113712.png
Dec 04 21:22:16 <lyht> wow! That is sweet!
Dec 04 21:22:35 <rwhitby> gkatsev: http://www.bloggerheads.com/images/dropbear.jpg
Dec 04 21:22:51 <gkatsev> rwhitby: hehe
Dec 04 21:22:55 <chuqui> ya know, I think some folks are taking apps like pMirror way too seriously... where's my sense of humor injector?
Dec 04 21:22:59 <kesne-school> webosschool-just: oh nothing just not sure if you are here or not
Dec 04 21:23:00 <chuqui> r maybe a taser?
Dec 04 21:23:23 <kesne-school> chuqui: Don't TASE ME MAN!
Dec 04 21:23:27 <Adora> chuqui: I actually left a review for pMirror myself last night
Dec 04 21:23:31 <rwhitby> gkatsev: that's the inspiration of http://www.webos-internals.org/images/7/76/Icon_WebOSInternals_DropBear.png
Dec 04 21:23:46 <Adora> the original palm mirror app caused the same reaction
Dec 04 21:23:49 <gkatsev> rwhitby: oh, didnt see that icon
Dec 04 21:24:05 <lyht> chuqui, I agree. Some of the reviews on pMirror were so brutal. Course I just laughed. And the dev prolly did too.
Dec 04 21:24:09 <Adora> http://blog.utilware.com/post/161801601/the-original-palm-mirror-it-all-started-one-grey
Dec 04 21:24:12 <gkatsev> i just dont see the point of the mirror app the pre. it has an actual mirror. lol
Dec 04 21:24:26 <chuqui> reading the flashlight app reviews is a good way to lose faith in humanity...
Dec 04 21:24:43 <natenrb9> haha
Dec 04 21:24:54 <lyht> What gets me is that people read the reviews, know what it will do and how useless it is, then download it anyway and give it a bad review.
Dec 04 21:24:55 <chuqui> :all it does is light up the screen!"
Dec 04 21:25:13 <natenrb9> seriously, some users are ridiculous
Dec 04 21:25:16 <Adora> lyht: that's part of human nature
Dec 04 21:25:42 <natenrb9> the worst is "wish it was free" or something like that
Dec 04 21:25:42 <Adora> like when you pull something out of the fridge and realize it's spoiled
Dec 04 21:26:01 <lyht> Adora, true. the desire to say "Yah! Me too! I agree!"
Dec 04 21:26:03 <natenrb9> if you don't want to pay, don't buy it
Dec 04 21:26:10 <Adora> what do people do?  "Ugh, this smells awful!  Here man, smell this!"
Dec 04 21:26:33 <Adora> Friend: *whiff* "Oh man, dude...that's rank!"
Dec 04 21:26:43 <lyht> haha
Dec 04 21:27:07 <chuqui> and then there are the flame wars between reviewers...
Dec 04 21:27:35 <lyht> provide a forum for people to talk... and they will.
Dec 04 21:27:48 <eekfuh> who at palm did the review of babe backgrounds
Dec 04 21:29:13 <chuqui> yeah.
Dec 04 21:29:32 <chuqui> within reason, that's waht we want.
Dec 04 21:29:48 <natenrb9> eekfuh: yeah, I was surprised to see that one in there.  iphone didn't have anything like that until they had age restriction sections
Dec 04 21:30:10 <eekfuh> I'm going to make my own app like that
Dec 04 21:30:20 <eekfuh> Hot Working Construction Working Male Backgrounds
Dec 04 21:30:42 <eekfuh> they'll be hot.
Dec 04 21:30:49 <eekfuh> and working if it didn't say that enough.
Dec 04 21:30:51 <natenrb9> eekfuh: please don't...
Dec 04 21:30:53 <Adora> YES
Dec 04 21:30:57 <Adora> I wholeheartedly support this
Dec 04 21:31:01 <natenrb9> lol
Dec 04 21:31:09 <eekfuh> then i'm gonna do the best
Dec 04 21:31:16 <eekfuh> Men of WebOS
Dec 04 21:31:24 <Adora> make sure it's optimized for pixi  =]
Dec 04 21:31:27 <eekfuh> chuq you in?
Dec 04 21:31:44 <chuqui> I'm in
Dec 04 21:32:37 <eekfuh> i'll get one with you holding a Pre in one hand and a bird in the other … sitting on top of the palm logo in front of the sunnyvale hq
Dec 04 21:32:55 <natenrb9> serious question: I am using #mojo-scene-ball-scene-scroller for the background on a scene.  Can I update the position via the js file somehow?
Dec 04 21:33:42 <chuqui> oh, my...
Dec 04 21:34:04 <lyht> Nate, serious? pptptptpt :p
Dec 04 21:34:15 <eekfuh> IRC brings out the worse of me
Dec 04 21:34:52 <natenrb9> just didn't want it to get lost in the midst of all the chatter :)
Dec 04 21:35:49 <dBsooner-work> No.. We need Women of Palm
Dec 04 21:35:50 <dBsooner-work> :D
Dec 04 21:36:11 <eekfuh> Women of WebOS
Dec 04 21:36:20 <eekfuh> Men of WebOS
Dec 04 21:36:22 <dBsooner-work> Palm sounds soo much umm.. better.
Dec 04 21:36:33 <eekfuh> cause we don't want Palm people … how bout developers too
Dec 04 21:36:41 <eekfuh> your invited to be in the app
Dec 04 21:36:42 <dBsooner-work> True
Dec 04 21:36:51 <dBsooner-work> Women of webOS
Dec 04 21:36:57 <dBsooner-work> and Men of webOS
Dec 04 21:37:05 <dBsooner-work> wait.. what about kesne?
Dec 04 21:37:11 <gkatsev> kesne of webos?
Dec 04 21:37:13 <dBsooner-work> Kids of webOS?
Dec 04 21:37:16 <eekfuh> lol
Dec 04 21:37:18 <eekfuh> how old is he?
Dec 04 21:37:20 <dBsooner-work> ROFL.
Dec 04 21:37:23 <dBsooner-work> 15?
Dec 04 21:37:31 <eekfuh> jail it is.
Dec 04 21:37:37 <gkatsev> was is Decimate or w/e who is 14?
Dec 04 21:37:51 <dBsooner-work> Yeah, Decimate is 14 I think.
Dec 04 21:38:27 <dBsooner-work> but kesne is more fun to pick on
Dec 04 21:38:45 <kesne-school> you know i'm right here?
Dec 04 21:38:54 <eekfuh> and at school too
Dec 04 21:38:57 <kesne-school> Yeah
Dec 04 21:39:02 <eekfuh> Jr high?
Dec 04 21:39:08 <dBsooner-work> Wow, two places at once?
Dec 04 21:39:18 <dBsooner-work> yes kesne, I know you are there.
Dec 04 21:39:29 <kesne> There we go
Dec 04 21:39:32 <eekfuh> kesne is too cool for school
Dec 04 21:39:33 <dBsooner-work> i don't make fun of people behind their backs
Dec 04 21:39:33 <kesne> No more school
Dec 04 21:39:34 <kesne> :P
Dec 04 21:39:53 <kesne> eekfuh: High school
Dec 04 21:39:55 <dBsooner-work> except Chuq... but rightfully so.
Dec 04 21:40:03 <kesne> hehe
Dec 04 21:40:05 <dBsooner-work> He's a freshman
Dec 04 21:40:05 <eekfuh> ahhh high school
Dec 04 21:40:17 <eekfuh> the good old days
Dec 04 21:40:17 <eekfuh> wait nvm
Dec 04 21:40:23 <eekfuh> i dont recall enjoying school
Dec 04 21:40:31 <dBsooner-work> I don't recall school period.
Dec 04 21:40:34 <eekfuh> lol
Dec 04 21:40:38 <kesne> I'm not a freshman
Dec 04 21:40:47 <dBsooner-work> Wise Fool then?
Dec 04 21:40:58 <kesne> dBsooner-work: what is your email again?
Dec 04 21:41:00 <kesne> And yeah
Dec 04 21:41:01 <kesne> :P
Dec 04 21:41:03 <dBsooner-work> Sophomore is greek for Wise Fool
Dec 04 21:41:11 <dBsooner-work> greek?
Dec 04 21:41:14 <dBsooner-work> did I say that?
Dec 04 21:41:28 <gkatsev> no
Dec 04 21:41:31 <dBsooner-work> good
Dec 04 21:41:42 <dBsooner-work> kesne: use webos@dbsooner.com
Dec 04 21:41:56 <dBsooner-work> my main is daniel@dbsooner.com
Dec 04 21:42:00 <eekfuh> sooner?
Dec 04 21:42:12 <dBsooner-work> but I like to keep stuff for webos in the webos@ folder
Dec 04 21:42:21 <kesne> ok
Dec 04 21:42:23 * dBsooner-work is an OKie?
Dec 04 21:42:38 * kesne emails at daniel@dbsooner.com, just to be a rebel.
Dec 04 21:42:43 <dBsooner-work> lol
Dec 04 21:42:50 <gkatsev> email+webos@gmail.com?
Dec 04 21:42:59 <dBsooner-work> that's ok.. I have an exchange rule setup to auto-junk jordan*@*.com
Dec 04 21:43:01 <webOSroundup> hey everyone
Dec 04 21:43:03 <kesne> dBsooner-work: check your email
Dec 04 21:43:15 <dBsooner-work> phone hasn't BZZZd yet
Dec 04 21:43:18 <dBsooner-work> so no email..
Dec 04 21:43:22 <kesne> dBsooner-work: fine, I'll send it from admin@keen-studios.net
Dec 04 21:43:44 <dBsooner-work> nope @keen-studios.net gets sent to spam@police.net
Dec 04 21:43:47 <lyht> Hey, webOSroundup. What's up?
Dec 04 21:43:56 <webOSroundup> not a whole lot
Dec 04 21:44:02 <webOSroundup> got excited...my site got stumbled
Dec 04 21:44:06 <webOSroundup> that was fun to watch
Dec 04 21:44:11 <lyht> nice
Dec 04 21:44:12 <dBsooner-work> webOSroundup: you do a review on Checkers yet?
Dec 04 21:44:20 <webOSroundup> Checkers Pro?
Dec 04 21:44:28 <dBsooner-work> if your rich, yes.
Dec 04 21:44:34 <webOSroundup> hehe, yes, I have reviewed it
Dec 04 21:44:48 <dBsooner-work> Us Po' folk gotta stick to Checkers free.
Dec 04 21:44:59 <webOSroundup> gotta support the devs!!
Dec 04 21:45:00 <dBsooner-work> Even though I have donated like $40 or something to kesne already.
Dec 04 21:45:06 <dBsooner-work> I still have to "buy" his stinkin app
Dec 04 21:45:09 <webOSroundup> hehe
Dec 04 21:45:20 <webOSroundup> all $.99 of it
Dec 04 21:45:27 <kesne> dBsooner-work: fine. jgens@mathchoice.org. or ads@free-adz.net, or admin@tczarbelgians.com
Dec 04 21:45:29 <gkatsev> ooh, mobile.twitter.com
Dec 04 21:45:30 <dBsooner-work> which happens to run in circles everytime I play
Dec 04 21:45:43 <kesne> dBsooner-work: You did NOT donate to me!
Dec 04 21:45:46 <dBsooner-work> I hate it if you both have only 2 checkers left
Dec 04 21:45:52 <dBsooner-work> kesne: I did so
Dec 04 21:45:59 <dBsooner-work> kesne: let me get the receipt from my paypal
Dec 04 21:46:02 <webOSroundup> I call that a draw
Dec 04 21:46:03 <dBsooner-work> just to prove a point
Dec 04 21:46:12 <kesne> dBsooner-work: nuh uh! Oh, and for the Checkers Pro thing
Dec 04 21:46:33 <chuqui> words you probably don't want to use if you want your review to stick around:
Dec 04 21:46:34 <kesne> If you looked at our ads (that ran on everythingpre.com for one day), it said 1.1.5 on the ad
Dec 04 21:46:44 <kesne> Checkers Pro 1.1.5
Dec 04 21:46:58 <chuqui> f--- (duh). "is gay" "retard" "Richard Nixon"
Dec 04 21:47:13 <eekfuh> anyone have a Pixi they wanna sell me?
Dec 04 21:47:16 <dBsooner-work> rofl
Dec 04 21:47:26 <gkatsev> chuqui: you can say the f word in here, we're all adults
Dec 04 21:47:27 <kesne> chuqui: haha, just wait until Soviet Bounce comes out
Dec 04 21:47:29 <webOSroundup> hi chuqui, nice to meet you...everyone talks about you but we have never been on at the same time
Dec 04 21:47:30 <lyht> "Richard Nixon"?????
Dec 04 21:47:31 <gkatsev> oh, wait...
Dec 04 21:47:33 <Tibfib> NEVER mention Nixon.
Dec 04 21:47:34 <dBsooner-work> chuqui: you been writing reviews again?
Dec 04 21:47:48 <kesne> eekfuh: I have two pixi's
Dec 04 21:47:50 <dBsooner-work> err.. getting reviews declined again?
Dec 04 21:48:02 <eekfuh> i have two Pre's
Dec 04 21:48:05 <eekfuh> no pixi :(
Dec 04 21:48:12 <kesne> I haz three pre's
Dec 04 21:48:14 <eekfuh> i need a dev test device
Dec 04 21:48:18 <dBsooner-work> I have one Pre (working) and no pixi
Dec 04 21:48:21 <dBsooner-work> my wife stole the pixi
Dec 04 21:48:22 <kesne> I could sell you one
Dec 04 21:48:44 <eekfuh> cuantos?
Dec 04 21:50:18 <ambackstrom> does that mean you're paying $200+ in monthly charges to sprint?
Dec 04 21:51:02 <kesne> hmm, my pixi is acting strange
Dec 04 21:51:12 <LoneStar34> webOSroundup: if you want to write an "article" on webosroundup.com you can at pressoid.com
Dec 04 21:51:59 <Jecht> kesne: you have a pre and 2 pixis?
Dec 04 21:52:04 <gkatsev> kesne: how many contracts do you have?
Dec 04 21:53:50 <webOSroundup> pressoid.com?
Dec 04 21:54:16 <LoneStar34> webOSroundup: then you submit it to digg, reddit,  etc... it is great for search engines
Dec 04 21:54:28 <CTLAdvance-work> Chuqui sorry to have made you delete most of our reviews :) Did you like the long song someone created using the word gay like 50 times
Dec 04 21:54:31 <webOSroundup> not seen that before
Dec 04 21:54:45 <CTLAdvance-work> It was probably kesne :(
Dec 04 21:54:46 <webOSroundup> I will definitely check it out
Dec 04 21:54:48 <webOSroundup> thanks!
Dec 04 21:54:57 <LoneStar34> webOSroundup: it is a work around to getting more traffic to your site
Dec 04 21:56:25 <webOSroundup> anything to bring the traffic
Dec 04 21:56:32 <webOSroundup> I got stumbled earlier today
Dec 04 21:56:34 <webOSroundup> that was cool
Dec 04 21:56:46 <webOSroundup> traffic has really gone up today
Dec 04 21:56:54 <LoneStar34> i built, pressoid, cuss got tried of having to get approval and depending on others to write about my web services....
Dec 04 21:57:15 <LoneStar34> yeah stumble is great
Dec 04 21:57:56 <webOSroundup> makes sense
Dec 04 21:58:01 <webOSroundup> looks like it is doing well
Dec 04 21:58:34 <JenP> hi all!
Dec 04 21:58:40 <LoneStar34> webOSroundup: it is what it is,  just a little site to get search engines to dig through
Dec 04 21:59:38 <edektor> what would cause the open service handles in my app to continually grow?
Dec 04 21:59:55 <lyht> Hi JenP. I am the official welcomer today. Welcome.
Dec 04 22:00:06 <JenP> LOL hi lyht
Dec 04 22:00:21 <lyht> edektor, are you killing the objects that are created?
Dec 04 22:00:54 <edektor> the objects returned from Mojo.Service.Request?
Dec 04 22:00:58 <LoneStar34> Prost! JenP
Dec 04 22:01:53 <lyht> edektor, yah.
Dec 04 22:02:26 <edektor> well.. I subscribe to the services but then in the cleanup function of the stage assistant I call cancel on all of them
Dec 04 22:02:36 <edektor> on all the open services that is?
Dec 04 22:03:46 <lyht> are you doing multiple stages?
Dec 04 22:04:04 <webOSroundup> off I go...see y'all later
Dec 04 22:04:55 <edektor> a dashboard
Dec 04 22:05:21 <lyht> got it.
Dec 04 22:05:39 <lyht> Are you doing "new Mojo.Service.Request()" or
Dec 04 22:05:48 <lyht> "var blah = new Mojo..."
Dec 04 22:05:56 <lyht> or "this.blah = new Mojo..."?
Dec 04 22:05:58 <edektor> var blah = new Mojo
Dec 04 22:06:12 <edektor> then in cleanup i do blah.cancel()
Dec 04 22:07:10 <lyht> How does it see it? Isn't that out of scope for the local variable?
Dec 04 22:08:12 <edektor> sorry it's actually this.blah
Dec 04 22:08:26 <edektor> from a service class I created
Dec 04 22:08:45 <lyht> got it.
Dec 04 22:09:05 <lyht> Have you tried this.blah = null after this.blah.cancel()?
Dec 04 22:09:19 <lyht> and/or delete(this.blah);?
Dec 04 22:09:36 <chuqui> real review" farts don't sound real...."
Dec 04 22:09:37 <lyht> Although there might be a different problem.
Dec 04 22:09:54 <lyht> chuqui, hahahaha that is awesome!
Dec 04 22:10:02 <edektor> no.. ill give it a try
Dec 04 22:10:17 <edektor> whats better delete or = null
Dec 04 22:10:25 <lyht> I dont know.
Dec 04 22:10:32 <lyht> I dont know for sure either one works :)
Dec 04 22:10:49 <lyht> The garbage collection in the framework is a little wonky
Dec 04 22:11:08 <edektor> but I wouldnt be deleting the tell the cleanup was called in the stage assistant
Dec 04 22:11:23 <lyht> does this.blah = new Mojo... get called multiple times in the life of the app before this.blah.cancel() gets called?
Dec 04 22:11:35 <edektor> no
Dec 04 22:11:37 <edektor> only one
Dec 04 22:11:39 <edektor> on launch
Dec 04 22:12:01 <lyht> and the cleanup gets called on close, right?
Dec 04 22:12:03 <edektor> but I wouldnt be calling delete until the app closed and the services are growing when the app is runnning
Dec 04 22:12:09 <lyht> got it.
Dec 04 22:12:14 <edektor> yes cleanup get called
Dec 04 22:12:24 <gkatsev> edektor: setting it equal to null is the same as deleting a var, no?
Dec 04 22:12:39 <gkatsev> unless you do the GC manually
Dec 04 22:12:40 <edektor> gkatsev: I have no idea
Dec 04 22:13:00 <gkatsev> ok, it is. as far as i know. :)
Dec 04 22:13:06 <lyht> gkatsev, how do you do it manually?
Dec 04 22:13:13 <edektor> but my problem is as the app is running not when it closes
Dec 04 22:13:45 <gkatsev> lyht: i dont think you can... not sure if mojo has GC apis.
Dec 04 22:13:46 <lyht> edektor, are you using an app-assistant?
Dec 04 22:13:57 <edektor> yes
Dec 04 22:13:57 <lyht> gkatsev, I thought the same.
Dec 04 22:14:32 <lyht> Any chance your startup code gets called more than once? because of a timeout call or something?
Dec 04 22:16:00 <edektor> no I dont think so
Dec 04 22:16:07 <edektor> Im not using any timeout
Dec 04 22:16:40 <lyht> and you only have the one set of service requests? None others elsewhere in the code?
Dec 04 22:17:52 <gkatsev> so, you subscribe to services and then unsubscribe but the services are still open at the end?
Dec 04 22:18:14 <lyht> and his handles grow and grow in the process
Dec 04 22:18:37 <gkatsev> is this.blah.cancel() the correct way to unsubscribe?
Dec 04 22:18:43 <lyht> (but all get closed out in the end)
Dec 04 22:19:12 <edektor> yes
Dec 04 22:19:24 <edektor> They just keep growing as the application runs
Dec 04 22:20:17 <lyht> Maybe just for fun, stick a Log.info("here") at the point of new, and make sure it only gets called once.
Dec 04 22:29:57 <kesne> chuqui: just hooked up my pixi to the computer, and everytime i tap and hold, it registers millions of tiny taps along the x axis
Dec 04 22:30:37 <eekfuh> @kesne : thats a power issue
Dec 04 22:30:55 <eekfuh> i've had that problem when my machine was giving it too much juice
Dec 04 22:31:00 <eekfuh> the controller gets effed up
Dec 04 22:31:06 <kesne> eekfuh: Oh yeah, well YOUR a power issue! :P
Dec 04 22:31:12 <kesne> Though, doesnt happen on my pre
Dec 04 22:31:13 <eekfuh> its true
Dec 04 22:31:22 <kesne> pixi only
Dec 04 22:31:25 <eekfuh> could be just teh controller on the pre is not regulated
Dec 04 22:31:28 <eekfuh> or just foobard
Dec 04 22:31:41 <kesne> We need an infobot
Dec 04 22:31:47 <kesne> rwhitby: you should go get one
Dec 04 22:32:30 <rwhitby> kesne: only the channel owner can invite infobot.
Dec 04 22:33:00 <gkatsev> TimRiker is the owner.
Dec 04 22:33:10 <kesne> Oh really?
Dec 04 22:33:17 <kesne> I thought you were
Dec 04 22:33:18 <kesne> hmm
Dec 04 22:33:26 <rwhitby> yes, the channel owner needs to ask TimRiker to make infobot come here.
Dec 04 22:33:44 <rwhitby> kesne: this is #webos, not #webos-internals.
Dec 04 22:34:03 <Roy-Pre101> chuqui: Did you get your donut today?
Dec 04 22:34:03 <gkatsev> well, he said as long as an op has given permission, he will add infobot to the channel.
Dec 04 22:34:13 <gkatsev> so, a non-op user can ask as well.
Dec 04 22:34:27 <chuqui> yes, I did. I shouldn't have, but I did anway...
Dec 04 22:34:35 <rwhitby> gkatsev: yes, but an op has to approve
Dec 04 22:34:38 <Roy-Pre101> tsk tsk
Dec 04 22:35:04 <gkatsev> rwhitby: are you an op in this channel?
Dec 04 22:35:13 <rwhitby> gkatsev: nope.
Dec 04 22:35:14 <gkatsev> do we have an op's approval?
Dec 04 22:40:28 <Roy-Pre101> What do we need an infobot for?
Dec 04 22:41:18 <gkatsev> kesne: who's kesne_ ?
Dec 04 22:41:37 <gkatsev> Roy-Pre101: so that he can remember stuff and be a bot?
Dec 04 22:41:59 <Roy-Pre101> gkatsev: That makes sense.
Dec 04 22:42:28 <gkatsev> lol of course it does, everything i say makes sense
Dec 04 22:42:39 <gkatsev> except for the things i say that dont make any sense
Dec 04 22:42:50 <kesne> gkatsev: kesne_ is my home computer
Dec 04 22:42:59 <kesne> I kicked it off of kesne, so it moved to kesne_
Dec 04 22:43:52 <kesne> my nick should really be kesne-school
Dec 04 22:43:57 <kesne> but people got mad at me
Dec 04 22:44:02 <kesne> so, kesne was born
Dec 04 22:44:14 <gkatsev> yeah, cuz you need to be in school, not on irc
Dec 04 22:44:17 <kesne> I should get Any Luu in here
Dec 04 22:44:21 <kesne> I AM at school
Dec 04 22:44:42 <gkatsev> pay attention to class, or something
Dec 04 22:44:45 <gkatsev> any luu?
Dec 04 22:44:58 <eekfuh> alright Chuq
Dec 04 22:45:06 <eekfuh> if your here
Dec 04 22:45:21 <gkatsev> eekfuh: chuqui is here.
Dec 04 22:45:29 <eekfuh> i know
Dec 04 22:45:33 <eekfuh> but is he "here"
Dec 04 22:45:46 <chuqui> (skulks behind potted palm)
Dec 04 22:45:47 <gkatsev> well, he was here 10 minutes ago
Dec 04 22:45:52 <eekfuh> lol
Dec 04 22:46:03 <eekfuh> so either i can email you about that previous issue
Dec 04 22:46:16 <kesne> gkatsev: I am, the class is tech support
Dec 04 22:46:17 <eekfuh> or we can chat via dm
Dec 04 22:46:34 <kesne> gkatsev: Andy Luu is in Keen Studios
Dec 04 22:46:35 <gkatsev> kesne: tech support? wtf is that?
Dec 04 22:46:41 <gkatsev> i mean, the class.
Dec 04 22:46:44 <gkatsev> i know what tech support is
Dec 04 22:46:55 <kesne> It's a class
Dec 04 22:47:25 <chuqui> right now, email better. In the middle of "stuff"
Dec 04 22:47:36 <Roy-Pre101> chuqui: Many sympathies on the 'stuff'
Dec 04 22:48:06 <Roy-Pre101> At least the weekend will feel sweeter when it gets here.
Dec 04 22:48:07 <rwhitby> kesne: you need to use an IRC bouncer, then no-one knows where you really are
Dec 04 22:48:10 <chuqui> no need. it's not so bad. mostly I like whining  about it...
Dec 04 22:48:16 <eekfuh> k
Dec 04 22:48:24 <eekfuh> i am going to BCC you in a sec
Dec 04 22:48:40 <kesne> rwhitby: what do you mean?
Dec 04 22:49:28 <rwhitby> kesne: http://bip.t1r.net/
Dec 04 22:49:33 <rwhitby> (that's what I use)
Dec 04 22:49:42 <gkatsev> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BNC_(software)
Dec 04 22:49:55 <kesne> rwhitby: why does it matter?
Dec 04 22:50:30 * kesne is leaving
Dec 04 22:50:33 <rwhitby> kesne: you were complaining about having to have different nicks for different places, and having to kick them off and stuff.  a bouncer solves all that
Dec 04 22:50:46 <kesne> rwhitby: I'll look into it
Dec 04 22:50:47 <kesne> Thanks
Dec 04 22:50:50 * kesne is gone
Dec 04 22:50:50 <eekfuh> chuqui: email sent
Dec 04 22:52:14 <chuqui> k
Dec 04 22:59:29 <Roy-Pre101> Hmm, which mobile book formats do palm apps support?  I can download this book in epub or mobi format.  Any suggestions?
Dec 04 23:00:49 <Rick_work> epub
Dec 04 23:02:24 <Bmyers_away> i've moved around some things from a scene assistant to an include js file elsewhere. my this.model.stuff doesnt work anymore tho, how can I reference it correctly now in the js include?
Dec 04 23:02:54 <Roy-Pre101> You could bind the functions to the scene assistant.
Dec 04 23:03:21 <Roy-Pre101> Or, you could pass in a reference to the assistant and use that.
Dec 04 23:03:22 <Bmyers_away> yeah, i figured but was having an issue with the syntax.
Dec 04 23:03:32 <Bmyers_away> whats the call in the main file look like?
Dec 04 23:03:59 <Roy-Pre101> Probably best not to bind it, really.  Unless that object really only lives for that one assistant.
Dec 04 23:04:43 <Roy-Pre101> What does the file look like?
Dec 04 23:05:05 <Bmyers_away> which? the include or the main file?
Dec 04 23:08:34 <Roy-Pre101> include
Dec 04 23:09:02 <Roy-Pre101> Finally, I found an article that explains how to search the bash command history.  I swear I've searched for it a few different ways and never found it.
Dec 04 23:09:26 <Bmyers_away> isnt that control T?
Dec 04 23:09:43 <Mousey> ctrl-r
Dec 04 23:09:43 <Bmyers_away> the file: Hours.Punch = ({
Dec 04 23:09:43 <Bmyers_away>     initialize: function () {
Dec 04 23:09:43 <Bmyers_away>         // Init the punch function
Dec 04 23:09:43 <Bmyers_away>     },
Dec 04 23:10:19 <Bmyers_away> the include looks like that with other more usefull functions..
Dec 04 23:11:08 <Roy-Pre101> Hmm...  And it's going to be accessing models?
Dec 04 23:11:31 <Roy-Pre101> You could either pass in the assistant with the initialize function.
Dec 04 23:11:42 <Roy-Pre101> Or, get the currently active assistant through Mojo.
Dec 04 23:12:23 <edektor> can i put an || in a case statment
Dec 04 23:12:56 <dawm> man.. there seriously are no lightweight forums that i like..
Dec 04 23:13:01 <dawm> had to settle with bbPress
Dec 04 23:13:04 <Bmyers_away> edektor: just put to case statements together
Dec 04 23:13:29 <edektor> example?
Dec 04 23:13:29 <Bmyers_away> s/to/two
Dec 04 23:13:38 <edektor> wait what?
Dec 04 23:13:48 <Bmyers_away> case "thing1":
Dec 04 23:13:58 <Bmyers_away> case: "thing2"
Dec 04 23:14:12 <Bmyers_away> do stuff
Dec 04 23:14:14 <Bmyers_away> break;
Dec 04 23:14:28 <edektor> will it do stuff id case 1 is matched
Dec 04 23:14:48 <Bmyers_away> will do the same stuff for both things
Dec 04 23:15:02 <Roy-Pre101> case statements fall through in JavaScript, just like in C.
Dec 04 23:15:22 <dawm> case is like an if/else statement without the else
Dec 04 23:15:29 <dawm> rather switch
Dec 04 23:15:42 <Bmyers_away> Roy: I am already doing this:
Dec 04 23:15:42 <Bmyers_away>                 var appController = Mojo.Controller.getAppController();
Dec 04 23:15:42 <Bmyers_away>                 var stageController = appController.getStageController(Hours.MainStageName);
Dec 04 23:16:29 <Bmyers_away> so stageController.MyModel.items[X].something would work?
Dec 04 23:16:35 <dawm> edektor, http://www.w3schools.com/js/js_switch.asp
Dec 04 23:17:13 <Roy-Pre101> Bmyers_away: Um, I wouldn't put it on the stageController.
Dec 04 23:17:25 <Roy-Pre101> You can, of course, put your models -anywhere-.  They don't have to be on the asssistant.
Dec 04 23:17:28 <Bmyers_away> edektor: my thing2 above should be case "thing2":
Dec 04 23:18:10 <Roy-Pre101> If you're creating them in Hours.Punch then just use this.model, just be sure when you reference it from outside you're accessing it from the object.
Dec 04 23:18:44 <Bmyers_away> so stageController.MyModel.items[X].something would work?
Dec 04 23:18:51 <Bmyers_away> once i get the stagecontroller?
Dec 04 23:22:52 <edektor> when I call stageController.activate(); and pass it some paremeters where are that paramters going?
Dec 04 23:23:06 <edektor> the activate method of the stageAssistant?
Dec 04 23:37:22 <atlanta> im back
Dec 04 23:37:50 <atlanta> wsuppp
Dec 04 23:37:53 <atlanta> who needs help
Dec 04 23:48:33 <haeffb_> Bmyers_away: still there?
Dec 04 23:51:25 <edektor> anybody know when palm is gonna start paying out?
Dec 04 23:51:50 <FoxFireX> Think what I read was payment comes two months after the close of a month with sales.
Dec 04 23:52:47 <pandora--> man
Dec 04 23:52:58 <pandora--> i was hoping to get a check before christmas
Dec 04 23:53:23 <edektor> are they gonna do all devs at once?
Dec 04 23:53:28 <pandora--> that means end of Jan. for me
Dec 04 23:53:30 <pandora--> bummah
Dec 04 23:53:54 <FoxFireX> Wouldn't know.  My guess would be they intend to, but it may be a semi-manual process at first, so who knows.
Dec 05 00:11:47 <dawm> heh
Dec 05 00:11:56 <dawm> that palm pre gui/device psd has some flaws :P
Dec 05 00:12:48 <atlanta> what app type do i choose in admob
Dec 05 00:12:48 <atlanta> ?
Dec 05 00:15:01 <atlanta> anyone from palm her
Dec 05 00:15:01 <atlanta> e?
Dec 05 00:16:01 <Bmyers> haeffb: here now..
Dec 05 00:18:08 <haeffb_> was just going to say that I used a GLOBAL.myModel
Dec 05 00:18:29 <haeffb_> depending on how many models you need...
Dec 05 00:19:17 <Bmyers> yeah. i just had a big pile o stuff in one assistant. i was trying to break it down a little to make it more managable
Dec 05 00:19:36 <Bmyers> some thing I split off into an include mucked with some models in the scene
Dec 05 00:19:43 <Bmyers> which caused a problem
Dec 05 00:20:41 <Bmyers> i thought I could get a controller or something to refer to it but havent found the right combo yet
Dec 05 00:22:22 <haeffb_> I think you're either going to have to pass the model as an argument, or use a global.
Dec 05 00:23:10 <Bmyers> there is no Mojo.Controller method out there for me to reference the right model?
Dec 05 00:23:28 <dawm> hehe this is awesome looking
Dec 05 00:24:20 <Bmyers> dawm: this what?
Dec 05 00:24:28 <dawm> hold
Dec 05 00:24:42 <Bmyers> the suspense is killing me..
Dec 05 00:28:37 <haeffb_> models are just an object, could be a local variable contained in your assistant (i.e. this.model) or a global variable (i.e APP.model)
Dec 05 00:30:40 <Bmyers> haeffb: ok so far.
Dec 05 00:31:00 <Bmyers> so how do i get at the little guy outside the scope?
Dec 05 00:31:04 <haeffb_> I don't think that the controller keeps track of your models
Dec 05 00:31:52 <haeffb_> you can pass as an arg to your outside function  myExtFunc(this.myModel)
Dec 05 00:32:00 <FoxFireX> I typically set my models to be properties of my assistant (this.whateverModel) so I can reference them from any part of the assistant (or from any object which has a reference to the assistant).
Dec 05 00:32:08 <haeffb_> or you can keep them in a global namespace
Dec 05 00:32:28 <haeffb_> or as FoxFireX says, pass a ref to the assistant to the external function
Dec 05 00:32:57 <FoxFireX> Once you need two or three models at once, the single references is a heck of a lot easier to keep track of.
Dec 05 00:33:10 <FoxFireX> -s.
Dec 05 00:33:51 <atlanta> hello
Dec 05 00:34:00 <FoxFireX> world
Dec 05 00:34:07 <Bmyers> single reference?
Dec 05 00:34:18 <FoxFireX> Single reference to the assistant, rather than to multiple model objects.
Dec 05 00:35:12 <FoxFireX> Easier to have "new HelperClass(sceneAssistant)" than "new HelperClass(buttonModel1, listModel1, listModel2, labelModel1, ...)"
Dec 05 00:35:37 <haeffb_> FoxFireX: makes sense. How do you get the reference to the assistant?
Dec 05 00:36:13 <FoxFireX> I guess I'm assuming being in scope so the call is "new HelperClass(this)".
Dec 05 00:36:23 <FoxFireX> Unless it's a reference that I'd already passed that way.
Dec 05 00:40:03 <dawm> Bmyers, http://i47.tinypic.com/24w5weq.png
Dec 05 00:40:06 <dawm> i got bored :P
Dec 05 00:41:44 <Bmyers> very nice dawm..
Dec 05 00:42:31 <dawm> someone needs to make a pixi device psd kit
Dec 05 00:42:45 <Bmyers> there is a pre psd kit?
Dec 05 00:42:59 <dawm> its what i used, had to fix some parts of it tho
Dec 05 00:43:16 <Bmyers> cool where did u find that?
Dec 05 00:43:29 <dawm> http://www.teehanlax.com/blog/2009/07/08/palm-pre-gui-psd/
Dec 05 00:44:48 <Bmyers> dont have cs4.. bummer
Dec 05 00:44:52 <edektor> does my app version number have to be >= 1.0.0 in order for palm to accept it?
Dec 05 00:45:04 <dawm> no
Dec 05 00:45:16 <edektor> I thought I read that somewhere
Dec 05 00:45:22 <dawm> i think that zombie game is 1.x
Dec 05 00:45:36 <haeffb_> taskadder 0.5.3 is in the catalog
Dec 05 00:45:48 <edektor> haeffb_: nice
Dec 05 00:45:52 <Bmyers> congrats
Dec 05 00:46:14 <haeffb_> oh, it's been there awhile. just saying it's less than 1.0.0
Dec 05 00:46:26 <FoxFireX> I think it's part of the checklist now that it's supposed to be 1.0.0 or greater.
Dec 05 00:46:34 <FoxFireX> Not sure if they're actively enforcing that or not.
Dec 05 00:46:36 <dawm> lol that must be new
Dec 05 00:46:37 <haeffb_> but, thanks for the congrats.
Dec 05 00:46:43 <dawm> swap&drop is 0.4.x
Dec 05 00:48:11 <FoxFireX> It's been there a while, but like I said, they may be letting that slip.
Dec 05 00:48:32 <dawm> i dont see the point
Dec 05 00:48:35 <FoxFireX> I think the checklist a bit of a joke; having a "check all" is convenient, but means no one's going to really read them. :)
Dec 05 00:48:37 <natenrb9> dawm: awesome! thanks for pointing out that .psd file!!
Dec 05 00:48:48 <dawm> i could right an app and start it a 1.0.0
Dec 05 00:49:42 <FoxFireX> Agreed; I don't think it's a useful item.  Hopefully they removed it since the last time I checked.
Dec 05 00:50:29 <haeffb_> FoxFireX: I read them all the first time...because I didn't see the "check all" button!
Dec 05 00:51:03 <FoxFireX> Don't get me wrong, I read them all as well.  Took a while for the keyboard imprint to wear off my forehead.
Dec 05 01:01:35 <haeffb_> question: when I use a filterlist, and start typing, there's a big blank space between the filter entry field and the first filtered list item. Any idea why?
Dec 05 01:03:47 <FoxFireX> Never used that control myself.
Dec 05 01:37:21 <pandora--> wow you guys see the "babe backgrounds" app?
Dec 05 01:37:34 <pandora--> that's the most adult-ish thing i've seen in the app catalog so far
Dec 05 01:42:58 <rick_home> haeffb_:   there's always one answer to questions like that.
Dec 05 01:43:01 <rick_home> CSS.
Dec 05 01:43:06 <rick_home> you need to use inspector
Dec 05 01:48:08 <JenP> hi all!
Dec 05 01:49:16 <atlanta> hey
Dec 05 01:49:43 <JenP> Hey atlanta!
Dec 05 01:49:56 <Bmyers> yo yo
Dec 05 01:50:06 <JenP> hi bmyers
Dec 05 01:54:05 <rick_home> JenP:  I used your recent success at getting debtfree into the catalog  yesterday
Dec 05 01:54:19 <JenP> what do you mean?
Dec 05 01:54:32 <rick_home> Judy went into the weekly meeting and pointed out how one of our team member's NEW app had been pushed but the snow globe update was languishing
Dec 05 01:54:33 <rick_home> :-)
Dec 05 01:54:36 <rick_home> worked, as you konw
Dec 05 01:54:37 <rick_home> klnow
Dec 05 01:54:39 <rick_home> knwo
Dec 05 01:54:44 <rick_home> crap
Dec 05 01:54:46 <JenP> hehe
Dec 05 01:54:50 <JenP> lol
Dec 05 01:55:03 <JenP> hey what did you think of my layout for mtim
Dec 05 01:55:24 <rick_home> I sent you a reply
Dec 05 01:55:27 <rick_home> It's too dense.
Dec 05 01:55:35 <rick_home> Try it yourself.  There just isn't ROOM.
Dec 05 01:55:43 <JenP> lol
Dec 05 01:55:49 <rick_home> I love it,  but there isn't that much room on a pre.
Dec 05 01:56:01 <JenP> how about with drawers?
Dec 05 01:56:16 <rick_home> but I'll tell you what, fake one up in the web thing and I'll look at your fake....
Dec 05 01:56:26 <JenP> kk i can do that!
Dec 05 01:56:29 <rick_home> again, gimme a design.....
Dec 05 01:56:51 <JenP> kk
Dec 05 01:58:10 <rick_home> meanwhile, I am told that xmaspegged is stuck and that engineering is confused.
Dec 05 01:58:19 <rick_home> and in the meantime we're poster childred for pain.
Dec 05 01:58:42 <JenP> oh no
Dec 05 01:58:47 <rick_home> yeah
Dec 05 01:58:49 <JenP> engineering stuck?
Dec 05 01:59:14 <rick_home> the app shows in MY view as submitted, but doesn't show on the internal review app catalog
Dec 05 01:59:24 <rick_home> and they can't figure out why
Dec 05 01:59:35 <JenP> there's an internal review app catalog?
Dec 05 01:59:50 <rick_home> how do you think the reviewers get their apps?
Dec 05 02:00:10 <rick_home> when you push an app, it shows up in the internal reviewer app catalog on their development enabled phones.
Dec 05 02:00:30 <rick_home> it also undergoes automated testing to make sure you aren't calling any forbidden API's
Dec 05 02:00:49 <JenP> oh that's cool
Dec 05 02:01:06 <rick_home> cool, but broken
Dec 05 02:01:15 <JenP> brokens not good
Dec 05 02:01:20 <JenP> weird that it's broken
Dec 05 02:09:13 <haeffb_> rick_home: thanks. guess I need to learn how to use inspector.
Dec 05 02:11:06 <haeffb_> OR
Dec 05 02:11:14 <haeffb_> I can just not worry about it...!
Dec 05 02:12:06 <haeffb_> pandora--: fart apps not adult-ish?
Dec 05 02:12:16 <pandora--> heh
Dec 05 02:12:23 <pandora--> child-ish ?
Dec 05 02:28:17 <PREA> does anyone know the path to the icons for a bookmark that has been added to the launcher?
Dec 05 02:28:53 <PREA> I tried /var/luna/data/browser/icons/
Dec 05 02:29:02 <PREA> but I can't seem to locate the specific file
Dec 05 02:31:30 <rick_home> sorry no
Dec 05 02:38:45 <PREA> I am not well versed yet in using SSH or other means to browse my pre's file system.  Could someone who is please just tell me if there are icon files in /var/luna/data/browser/icons ?
Dec 05 02:39:03 <rwhitby> jauderho: so do you think powertop will be easy to add to optware?
Dec 05 02:39:36 <rwhitby> PREA: just check it out in the Emulator ...
Dec 05 02:39:42 <jauderho> rwhitby: not easily. it required finding an old patch on the interweb
Dec 05 02:39:56 <jauderho> plus hand adjusting the compile flags
Dec 05 02:40:06 <rwhitby> jauderho: that's not a problem - we patch stuff and do compile flags all the time in optware
Dec 05 02:40:08 <jauderho> plus the fact that it needed ncurses
Dec 05 02:40:14 <rwhitby> and ncurses is already there ...
Dec 05 02:40:30 <jauderho> so doable. just not a cakewalk.
Dec 05 02:40:34 <rwhitby> jauderho: I can probably do it now if you think it's worthwhile ...
Dec 05 02:40:50 <PREA> rwhitby: sorry to be such a noob, but is the emulator downloadable from palm?
Dec 05 02:40:50 <jauderho> brb
Dec 05 02:41:49 <natenrb9> PREA: https://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1597
Dec 05 02:41:55 <rwhitby> jauderho: can you point me to the source tarball, the patch, and the compile flags?
Dec 05 02:43:22 <jauderho> yeah. what's your email again?
Dec 05 02:43:28 <jauderho> i'll forward you a diff.
Dec 05 02:43:36 <jauderho> from the chap at ti
Dec 05 02:45:19 <rwhitby> jauderho: against http://www.lesswatts.org/projects/powertop/download/powertop-1.10.tar.gz ?
Dec 05 02:45:23 <rwhitby> or 1.11 ?
Dec 05 02:47:12 <jauderho> 1.12
Dec 05 02:47:16 <jauderho> I guess against SVN
Dec 05 02:47:49 <jauderho> take a look at this first http://wiki.davincidsp.com/index.php/Running_PowerTOP_on_OMAP35x_platform
Dec 05 02:48:05 <jauderho> it's a tad old.
Dec 05 02:48:15 <jauderho> ncurses is now up to 5.7 instead of 5.6
Dec 05 02:48:44 <e^ipi> is there a patch to enable yahoo messenger on Bell ?
Dec 05 02:48:55 <e^ipi> NFI why bell decided to be jerks about it
Dec 05 02:49:04 <e^ipi> probably b/c they're bell
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