**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Dec 16 02:59:57 2009
Dec 16 03:13:33 <Tibfib> Hey can someone help me with a pushScene question?
Dec 16 03:14:06 <sugardave> if it's an easy one...
Dec 16 03:14:28 <Tibfib> So in my app, I have my about page pushed, and it pushes correctly, but once I do a back gesture, it goes back, but it stays in the same (about scene)
Dec 16 03:14:42 <haeffb> sugardave is an expert at pushScene questions tonight
Dec 16 03:14:51 <sugardave> heh
Dec 16 03:15:01 <sugardave> jfelectron: yes, people have obfuscated code
Dec 16 03:15:09 <sugardave> beenwaiting for you to come back ;P
Dec 16 03:15:22 <sugardave> Tibfib: so...is it possible you're pushing it twice?
Dec 16 03:15:34 <jfelectron> sorry....had to stuff my laptop in my bag and run
Dec 16 03:15:51 <Tibfib> yeah
Dec 16 03:15:56 <Tibfib> lemme check something
Dec 16 03:19:14 <Tibfib> Yeah that was it... I forgot that I declared my appmenu in my stage-assistant as well
Dec 16 03:19:16 <Tibfib> Thanks!
Dec 16 03:19:20 <sugardave> np
Dec 16 03:25:38 <jfelectron> if an itemsCallback is defined for a list is that callback called following noticeAddItems and noticeUpdatedItems?
Dec 16 03:28:07 <haeffb> sugardave: 2 for 2!
Dec 16 03:32:53 <catalystmediastu> Hmm, I'm having the same kind of trouble again. http://pastie.org/745164
Dec 16 03:33:11 <catalystmediastu> I'm not getting what is happening to the context :S
Dec 16 03:33:50 <Guest63174> hello every one
Dec 16 03:33:58 <bpadalino> hello Guest63174
Dec 16 03:34:17 <sugardave> haeffb: I'm on a roll
Dec 16 03:34:40 <Guest63174> hi i need help with a palm pre can some help me please
Dec 16 03:34:51 <sugardave> jfelectron: someone else will have to help with your list question, I'm not that guy :D
Dec 16 03:35:08 <jfelectron> sugardave: roger, np
Dec 16 03:36:41 <sugardave> catalystmediastu: looks like there you need Mojo.Controller.stageController.setupWidget(...);
Dec 16 03:36:51 <sugardave> I mean, I think that will work
Dec 16 03:38:27 <catalystmediastu> sugardave: Dang, this time it says it's calling setupWidget on undefined :S
Dec 16 03:38:50 <catalystmediastu> This is just so weird. I do not get why I would set it up differently than any other controller/assistant
Dec 16 03:39:09 <sugardave> okay, I guess you HAVE to use the appController object if you're using an app asst
Dec 16 03:39:55 <sugardave> so....Mojo.Controller.appController.getActiveStageController().setupWidget(...);
Dec 16 03:40:12 <sugardave> shouldn't need getAppController or a stage type
Dec 16 03:40:31 <sugardave> oh wait
Dec 16 03:40:32 <sugardave> sorry
Dec 16 03:40:33 <sugardave> wrong
Dec 16 03:40:42 <Bmyers_qwerty> looked impressive
Dec 16 03:40:43 <sugardave> setupWidget is on the scene controller
Dec 16 03:40:44 <haeffb> sugardave: 2 for 3!
Dec 16 03:41:11 <sugardave> Mojo.Controller.appController.getActiveStageController().activeScene().setupWidget(...);
Dec 16 03:41:14 <sugardave> MIGHT work
Dec 16 03:43:23 <Bmyers_qwerty> do it again sugardave. i missed it
Dec 16 03:43:40 <sugardave> :P
Dec 16 03:43:47 <haeffb> catalystmediastu: I'm confused. Why are you trying to setupWidget on a scene that is not active?
Dec 16 03:44:01 <catalystmediastu> Looks like that worked! Thanks again sugardave. Have you ever run into this in any of your apps?
Dec 16 03:44:24 <Bmyers_qwerty> if your deep in a included js , i think you need to do that.
Dec 16 03:44:27 * haeffb is confused alot. Don't let it worry you.
Dec 16 03:44:36 <catalystmediastu> haeffb: It is active. It's at the top of the stack I believe
Dec 16 03:45:15 <sugardave> catalystmediastu: I've basically decided to just do it that way instead of trying to keep track of 'this'
Dec 16 03:45:16 <haeffb> ok, i remember a 'home' scene from earlier question. and HomeAssistant. and 'card' scene.
Dec 16 03:45:37 <haeffb> I'm lost.
Dec 16 03:45:46 <sugardave> haeffb: I think he was specifying a stage "type" for that method
Dec 16 03:45:54 <haeffb> But I'm also 6 beers into the evening.
Dec 16 03:45:56 <catalystmediastu> Yep the home assistant is for the home scene. The 'card' param passed to get ActiveStageController is just the type of stage to get
Dec 16 03:46:04 <haeffb> so disregard everything I say.
Dec 16 03:46:28 * sugardave <-- 2 bowls.
Dec 16 03:46:39 <catalystmediastu> sugardave: I might just have to do that. I just don't understand why all my this's keep getting screwed up and lost in the shuffle haha
Dec 16 03:47:20 <haeffb> sugardave: you may well be healthier than I
Dec 16 03:47:25 <Bmyers_qwerty> sugardave. do you have a resource of what belongs to what? I get this's lost sometimes too
Dec 16 03:47:57 <haeffb> sugardave: also, I'm impressed.
Dec 16 03:48:01 <catalystmediastu> Bmyers_qwerty: I believe sugardave is just taking a look at the docs. I try, but dang it's hard to navigate those beasts haha
Dec 16 03:48:18 <sugardave> Bmyers_qwerty: I just use the API docs and/or look at the methods of various objects I'm interested in
Dec 16 03:48:38 <sugardave> catalystmediastu: interesting method names ALWAYS catach my attention
Dec 16 03:49:37 <Tibfib> So I have another question... If an image is within a list (<ol>) or a list item, the image receives the indention that the list item does, is there a way to ignore that formatting?
Dec 16 03:50:24 * haeffb thinks this.controller.setupWidget may have also worked.
Dec 16 03:50:41 <sugardave> haeffb: could be, better nuke it from orbit
Dec 16 03:51:00 <sugardave> it should, actually
Dec 16 03:51:04 <sugardave> haha
Dec 16 03:51:40 * haeffb has a big bowl 'o chili waiting. later people.
Dec 16 03:51:48 <sugardave> later
Dec 16 03:52:52 <sugardave> hey atlanta
Dec 16 03:52:59 <atlanta> sugardave: wsup my man
Dec 16 03:53:13 <catalystmediastu> haeffb: Should have worked, but didnt :p
Dec 16 03:53:19 <atlanta> trying to get this urlencode to work
Dec 16 03:53:34 <sugardave> not a whole lot, staring down a huge pile of real work tomorrow
Dec 16 03:53:35 <sugardave> woo
Dec 16 03:54:43 <sugardave> I need something novel and interesting to learn lists with
Dec 16 03:55:04 <atlanta> lol
Dec 16 03:55:26 <atlanta> i need something to learn dashboards with
Dec 16 03:55:36 <atlanta> and thinking about how to do this reoccuring alarm thing
Dec 16 03:55:38 <haeffb> catalystmediastu: not buying it. If this.controller.get('someDiv') works, then this.controller.setupWidget should also work.
Dec 16 03:55:58 <atlanta> catalystmediastu: USER ERROR
Dec 16 03:56:03 <catalystmediastu> That's why I'm so confused haeffb. I'll try it once more
Dec 16 03:56:09 <atlanta> post up your code
Dec 16 03:56:10 <atlanta> on pastebin
Dec 16 03:56:27 <sugardave> Deprecated Precondition Exhaustion
Dec 16 03:56:29 <haeffb> he did: http://pastie.org/745164
Dec 16 03:56:47 <haeffb> Guest63174: sugardave can help.
Dec 16 03:56:53 <sugardave> haha
Dec 16 03:57:03 <haeffb> that was easy
Dec 16 03:57:06 <sugardave> booga BOOGA!!
Dec 16 03:57:46 <sugardave> hmm...I wonder if Palm will allow an app that interfaces with a disallowed app?
Dec 16 03:57:52 <sugardave> like something that can write to wirc?
Dec 16 03:58:13 <haeffb> do you use any services or API's that aren't allowed?
Dec 16 03:58:19 <atlanta> ehhh you mean through application manager calls
Dec 16 03:58:19 <atlanta> ?
Dec 16 03:58:47 <sugardave> yeah, I need some way to send my output to the wirc input
Dec 16 03:58:49 <haeffb> if they allow Brighthouse, they should allow anything.
Dec 16 03:58:58 <atlanta> haeffb: what u mean
Dec 16 03:58:58 <atlanta> ?
Dec 16 03:59:12 <atlanta> sugardave: and yea they will allow it log as its through application manager calls
Dec 16 03:59:15 <atlanta> not like private apis
Dec 16 03:59:29 <atlanta> man all these sports apps NEED TO GO
Dec 16 03:59:35 <atlanta> they cluttering the catalog
Dec 16 03:59:41 <sugardave> interesting...I will have to see how wirc works now
Dec 16 03:59:43 <atlanta> put them in they own category or something
Dec 16 04:00:57 <haeffb> atlanta: what are you talking about. You must be crazy. The St. Louis Rams app is AWESOME!
Dec 16 04:01:11 <atlanta> ehhhh are they even free
Dec 16 04:01:11 <atlanta> ?
Dec 16 04:01:20 <haeffb> only $1.99!
Dec 16 04:01:46 <haeffb> ssshhhhh. JenP is here.
Dec 16 04:02:13 <JenP> HI guys!
Dec 16 04:02:48 <JenP> how ya doing haeffb?
Dec 16 04:03:04 <haeffb> me is good. you?
Dec 16 04:03:49 <JenP> great! met one of my deadlines today!
Dec 16 04:04:15 <haeffb> sweet.
Dec 16 04:04:36 <haeffb> I made a pot 'o chili today.
Dec 16 04:04:56 <LoneStar34> how do I kill the putty debugger, once I type "debug"
Dec 16 04:04:58 <JenP> that's great! we both achieved something
Dec 16 04:05:54 <sugardave> LoneStar34: I have no idea what that is.....try ctrl-d ?
Dec 16 04:05:58 <sugardave> hi JenP
Dec 16 04:05:58 <haeffb> LoneStar34: reboot your machine. That'll do it.
Dec 16 04:07:40 <reality9110> ctrl+c
Dec 16 04:07:42 <LoneStar34> yeah, i noticed having to reboot all the time
Dec 16 04:07:53 <LoneStar34> kinda sucks
Dec 16 04:08:09 <LoneStar34> howdy JenP
Dec 16 04:08:23 <JenP> Hey LoneStar34
Dec 16 04:08:38 <haeffb> not my fault. You're the one who typed 'debug'
Dec 16 04:09:05 <jfelectron> LoneStar34: whaaa.....what platform?
Dec 16 04:09:17 <jfelectron> can't you kill PuTTY?
Dec 16 04:09:24 <LoneStar34> yeah, better than nothing
Dec 16 04:09:44 <atlanta> ahhh does someone have a pastebin of creating a class
Dec 16 04:09:47 <LoneStar34> yeah i kill putty but noticed, the emulator is not the same, and have to reboot the emulator
Dec 16 04:09:48 <atlanta> i think im doing it wrong
Dec 16 04:09:54 <LoneStar34> windows 98
Dec 16 04:10:12 <LoneStar34> emulating windows 95
Dec 16 04:10:14 <LoneStar34> lol
Dec 16 04:10:36 <JenP> hi sugardave!
Dec 16 04:12:41 <haeffb> JenP: she says shoes are great!
Dec 16 04:16:07 <reality9110> What's that grid thing called?
Dec 16 04:16:14 <reality9110> The widget for it
Dec 16 04:18:31 <atlanta> someone help me with these damn classses
Dec 16 04:19:50 <reality9110> Isn't there a grid type widget?  Could have sworn I saw one
Dec 16 04:19:55 <Bmyers_qwerty> hi jenp, atlanta
Dec 16 04:20:06 <JenP> hi Bmyers_qwerty
Dec 16 04:20:08 <haeffb> reality9110: never seen one
Dec 16 04:20:27 <reality9110> Well, darn
Dec 16 04:20:36 <atlanta> Bmyers_qwerty: wsup my man
Dec 16 04:20:38 <JenP> reality9110 not that i know of
Dec 16 04:20:51 <reality9110> That makes life a bit more complex
Dec 16 04:21:08 <Bmyers_qwerty> getting closer..
Dec 16 04:21:16 <Bmyers_qwerty> hows your tweet app atlanta?
Dec 16 04:21:18 <atlanta> app being reviewed
Dec 16 04:21:21 <atlanta> lets see how it goes
Dec 16 04:21:34 <atlanta> i told my account manager so hopefully it gets in there
Dec 16 04:21:47 <Bmyers_qwerty> told them?
Dec 16 04:21:50 <atlanta> finishing up the word one now but classes arent likeing me
Dec 16 04:22:07 <atlanta> yea
Dec 16 04:23:04 <Bmyers_qwerty> lots of great reviews on your app Jenp
Dec 16 04:23:40 <JenP> thanks Bmyers_qwerty...
Dec 16 04:23:46 <atlanta> link me
Dec 16 04:23:51 <atlanta> which one is yours jenp
Dec 16 04:23:53 <JenP> i'm really surprised...but very happy
Dec 16 04:23:55 <JenP> debt free
Dec 16 04:24:10 <atlanta> homebrew or app catalog
Dec 16 04:24:23 <Bmyers_qwerty> shes all big time now brother
Dec 16 04:24:42 <atlanta> good shit i cant install anything from app catalog so that sucks for me rightnow
Dec 16 04:24:51 <atlanta> but going to read the reviews
Dec 16 04:24:52 <JenP> lol
Dec 16 04:24:59 <Bmyers_qwerty> i cant install stuff from preware.. go figure
Dec 16 04:25:08 <atlanta> lol
Dec 16 04:25:40 <Bmyers_qwerty> i got my app dev account today.
Dec 16 04:25:45 <atlanta> i cant find it due to all these days sports app ughhhhh
Dec 16 04:25:54 <atlanta> Bmyers_qwerty: congrats :-)
Dec 16 04:25:58 <JenP> atlanta i'm in the featured section
Dec 16 04:26:01 <Bmyers_qwerty> search debt..
Dec 16 04:26:09 <atlanta> no i did just wanted to make that comment
Dec 16 04:26:10 <atlanta> lol
Dec 16 04:26:11 <Bmyers_qwerty> yeah. i told you went went uptown man
Dec 16 04:26:20 <atlanta> yea im making my way
Dec 16 04:26:27 <atlanta> when this get approved we in there
Dec 16 04:26:30 <Bmyers_qwerty> mov'n on up
Dec 16 04:26:34 <Bmyers_qwerty> to the sky
Dec 16 04:26:39 <atlanta> lol
Dec 16 04:26:44 <JenP> i got the coolest thing in the mail today
Dec 16 04:26:44 <atlanta> Bmyers_qwerty: did u use classes
Dec 16 04:26:45 <atlanta> ?
Dec 16 04:26:50 <atlanta> JenP: which was
Dec 16 04:26:59 <JenP> Palm sent me $100 gift cert for helping dev
Dec 16 04:27:08 <Bmyers_qwerty> classes?
Dec 16 04:27:10 <JenP> totally floored me
Dec 16 04:27:22 <atlanta> JenP: for helping dev what
Dec 16 04:27:22 <atlanta> ?
Dec 16 04:27:36 <atlanta> Bmyers_qwerty: yea liek var Url = class.create
Dec 16 04:27:38 <atlanta> ever used it
Dec 16 04:27:46 <Bmyers_qwerty> o, yeah
Dec 16 04:27:56 <atlanta> JenP: what did u use for the pie charts
Dec 16 04:27:56 <atlanta> ?
Dec 16 04:29:24 <reality9110> Alright...need some brainstorming here.
Dec 16 04:29:38 <Bmyers_qwerty> yeah what did jenp use for charting?
Dec 16 04:29:39 <reality9110> atlanta: It pulls a graph from the web
Dec 16 04:29:48 <JenP> sugardave did you say you wrote a tut on data bases?
Dec 16 04:29:55 <Bmyers_qwerty> hey atlanta, pm me your email addy
Dec 16 04:30:15 <atlanta> JenP:  nice one on internals
Dec 16 04:30:35 <atlanta> JenP: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Mojo_Storage_Database
Dec 16 04:30:40 <atlanta> Bmyers_qwerty: dibe'
Dec 16 04:30:41 <atlanta> done
Dec 16 04:30:50 <reality9110> I need to lay out a grid.  I need an image, next to a title, and I need that to swapScene to another scene when clicked
Dec 16 04:30:55 <reality9110> Easiest way to do that?
Dec 16 04:31:04 <sugardave> a table?
Dec 16 04:31:13 <reality9110> Essentially
Dec 16 04:31:35 <Bmyers_qwerty> check you email..
Dec 16 04:31:39 <reality9110> Hmmmm...let's see here
Dec 16 04:31:43 <Bmyers_qwerty> r ^
Dec 16 04:32:03 <sugardave> JenP: that one and the one about getting stuff from the cloud and storing in your own db are helpful
Dec 16 04:32:08 <Bmyers_qwerty> how many lines u need sugardave?
Dec 16 04:32:27 <JenP> sugardave thanks i'll look
Dec 16 04:32:33 <JenP> atlanta thanks for the link
Dec 16 04:33:28 <sugardave> reality9110: can you just use a table?
Dec 16 04:33:36 <reality9110> sugardave: Possibly
Dec 16 04:33:45 <reality9110> I'm wondering about clicking on it though
Dec 16 04:33:51 <Bmyers_qwerty> css
Dec 16 04:34:04 <sugardave> shouldn't be a problem, my whole game board is a table
Dec 16 04:34:07 <reality9110> css would be for layout
Dec 16 04:34:17 <atlanta> just div and css
Dec 16 04:34:18 <atlanta> would do
Dec 16 04:34:53 <Bmyers_qwerty> draw a line at 10% 20% 30%
Dec 16 04:34:58 <sugardave> table is easy, and as Rick pointed out, nobody uses a screen reader on their Pre/Pixi
Dec 16 04:35:08 <reality9110> atlanta: I don't want like 20 different divs if I can avoid it
Dec 16 04:35:20 <Bmyers_qwerty> ok
Dec 16 04:35:30 <Bmyers_qwerty> go with 20 different table calls instead
Dec 16 04:35:31 <reality9110> I don't need lines.  That's what I'm trying to avoid.
Dec 16 04:35:46 <reality9110> Or I'd just use list
Dec 16 04:35:57 <atlanta> tables are so web 1.0
Dec 16 04:35:57 <atlanta> lol
Dec 16 04:36:10 <Bmyers_qwerty> they look good in netscape
Dec 16 04:36:11 <sugardave> ~lart atlanta
Dec 16 04:36:17 <sugardave> foiled again
Dec 16 04:36:28 <reality9110> I've never even made a table...so...it's web 0.01 to me
Dec 16 04:36:46 <atlanta> lol
Dec 16 04:36:47 <sugardave> reality9110: tables are WAY easier than trying to make divs behave like tables
Dec 16 04:36:50 <Bmyers_qwerty> <table> <tr> <td> </td> </tr> </table>
Dec 16 04:37:26 <Bmyers_qwerty> they are.. i feel old when i use them tho
Dec 16 04:37:27 <reality9110> sugardave: I've done some interesting things with just divs...
Dec 16 04:37:49 <Bmyers_qwerty> BACK IN MY DAY WE USED TABLES AND WE LIKED IT!!
Dec 16 04:37:55 <atlanta> lol
Dec 16 04:38:03 <atlanta> yea they do align nice
Dec 16 04:38:05 <sugardave> me, too....my gameboard was originally divs...lots of them
Dec 16 04:38:08 <atlanta> *shhh i never said that
Dec 16 04:38:13 <sugardave> but it was unwieldy
Dec 16 04:38:13 <Bmyers_qwerty> didnt have fancy css flidleflab
Dec 16 04:38:23 <reality9110> Another question, are they going to show lines on them or are can I get rid of them with css?
Dec 16 04:38:33 <Bmyers_qwerty> border=0
Dec 16 04:38:33 <atlanta> css
Dec 16 04:38:36 <atlanta>  can do anything
Dec 16 04:38:36 <atlanta> lol
Dec 16 04:38:41 <reality9110> Alright
Dec 16 04:38:55 <sugardave> you can do border=0, but there will STILL be space between the cells if you have a different background color showing
Dec 16 04:38:58 <sugardave> I think
Dec 16 04:39:08 <sugardave> so fix with other css, I presume
Dec 16 04:40:01 <Bmyers_qwerty> u guys see this one? http://www.balsamiq.com/demos/mockups/Mockups.html
Dec 16 04:40:11 <Bmyers_qwerty> (and gal)
Dec 16 04:40:25 <reality9110> Ok.  How would I go about updating each cell though?  Since it's <tr><td></td><td></td></tr>
Dec 16 04:40:38 <Bmyers_qwerty> css :)
Dec 16 04:40:49 <Bmyers_qwerty> of course..
Dec 16 04:40:59 <JenP> OMG
Dec 16 04:41:00 <reality9110> Ummm...update them with information.
Dec 16 04:41:00 <JenP> OMG
Dec 16 04:41:04 <JenP> http://www.geekologie.com/2009/12/woman_cries_after_seeing_retur.php
Dec 16 04:41:13 <JenP> I'm sorry this is just too good
Dec 16 04:41:15 <Bmyers_qwerty> text widgets
Dec 16 04:41:26 <sugardave> JenP: there is also a possibility that SOME information on those pages is outdated/incorrect, so just ask me simple questions I can answer if things are broken :D
Dec 16 04:41:57 <JenP> cool sugardave i appreciate it
Dec 16 04:42:02 <sugardave> reality9110: assign them individual ids, which IS tedious
Dec 16 04:42:19 <reality9110> Ah, yeah.  That makes sense
Dec 16 04:42:24 <Bmyers_qwerty> tedious?
Dec 16 04:42:36 <sugardave> well, if you're hard-coding it
Dec 16 04:42:40 <Bmyers_qwerty> O
Dec 16 04:42:47 <sugardave> and it's a big table
Dec 16 04:42:49 <reality9110> It should be only about 6 at most
Dec 16 04:43:06 <atlanta> these classes arent working
Dec 16 04:43:08 <atlanta> asdfasdflkjsadgjadflkbjadfbdf
Dec 16 04:43:08 <Bmyers_qwerty> i make all kinds of ids on the fly and fish em back out
Dec 16 04:43:21 <Bmyers_qwerty> yeah what r u doing atlanta?
Dec 16 04:44:27 <atlanta> im just tried to make a class to decode urls
Dec 16 04:44:33 <atlanta> but its not calling right
Dec 16 04:44:37 <atlanta> and i dunno whats wrong
Dec 16 04:44:38 <atlanta> i wanna cry
Dec 16 04:44:49 <Bmyers_qwerty> ever heard of pastebin?
Dec 16 04:44:52 <sugardave> I don't understand all that 'Class' stuff
Dec 16 04:45:12 <Bmyers_qwerty> kind of cool once you get the hang of it
Dec 16 04:45:22 <Bmyers_qwerty> mind wobbling until then
Dec 16 04:45:41 <atlanta> Bmyers_qwerty: heyy yea i do
Dec 16 04:45:46 <atlanta> hold on
Dec 16 04:46:02 <Bmyers_qwerty> well pastebin it up there man..
Dec 16 04:46:07 * sugardave has no class.
Dec 16 04:46:11 <Bmyers_qwerty> i dont want to work on my own code...
Dec 16 04:46:54 <jfelectron> classes are classy
Dec 16 04:47:02 <jfelectron> you
Dec 16 04:47:17 <jfelectron> you're using classes all the time!
Dec 16 04:47:28 <Bmyers_qwerty> not writing them though
Dec 16 04:47:35 <Bmyers_qwerty> and thats the goofy part
Dec 16 04:47:36 <jfelectron> oh yes you are
Dec 16 04:47:40 <Bmyers_qwerty> ok, ok
Dec 16 04:47:43 <Bmyers_qwerty> i know...
Dec 16 04:47:44 <Bmyers_qwerty> we are
Dec 16 04:47:46 <jfelectron> all the scene assistants are classes
Dec 16 04:47:59 <atlanta> Bmyers_qwerty: http://pastie.org/745208
Dec 16 04:48:08 <atlanta> to let you know yes i do have the file in the sourses.json
Dec 16 04:48:38 <Bmyers_qwerty> but the way you go about creating a class on your own is still a little goofy..
Dec 16 04:48:38 <jfelectron> atlanta: what's your problem?
Dec 16 04:48:56 <atlanta> jfelectron: its not returning anything or maybeeee
Dec 16 04:49:04 <atlanta> errorDialog doesnt show function returns?
Dec 16 04:49:08 <jfelectron> Bmyers: goofy?
Dec 16 04:49:19 <atlanta> Bmyers_qwerty: how do i do it
Dec 16 04:49:19 <atlanta> ?
Dec 16 04:49:19 <jfelectron> lol...just a collection of methods and properties
Dec 16 04:49:34 <Bmyers_qwerty> goofy..
Dec 16 04:49:41 <jfelectron> OK :)
Dec 16 04:49:46 <Bmyers_qwerty> ok..
Dec 16 04:50:28 <atlanta> .....
Dec 16 04:50:46 <sugardave> well, I made my own DbColumn and DbTable 'class'es then...but I don't use the Class thing I see in some code
Dec 16 04:50:55 <jfelectron> atlanta: well for one thing Url isn't the name of your class
Dec 16 04:51:06 <atlanta> what is ?
Dec 16 04:51:09 <jfelectron> its url as your defined it
Dec 16 04:51:15 <jfelectron> its case sensisitive
Dec 16 04:51:25 <atlanta> ok testing hold on
Dec 16 04:51:38 <atlanta> still no errorDialog
Dec 16 04:52:17 <atlanta> var url = new url(); 	Mojo.Controller.errorDialog(url.decode(audiosrc));
Dec 16 04:52:20 <atlanta> still nothing
Dec 16 04:52:29 <jfelectron> atlanta: see if you can call the decode method independently of passing it to the errorDialog
Dec 16 04:53:14 <Bmyers_qwerty> is var gonna screw him there on line 9?
Dec 16 04:53:17 <jfelectron> you need to pass the controller object to errorDialog
Dec 16 04:53:26 <atlanta> jfelectron: what u mean
Dec 16 04:53:26 <atlanta> ?
Dec 16 04:53:58 <jfelectron> Mojo.Controller.errorDialog(“errorMessage”, this.controller.window);
Dec 16 04:54:12 <jfelectron> where this.controller is the controller object of the current scene
Dec 16 04:54:49 <jfelectron> Bmyers: I think that's fine....I never do it like that, but I have seen it like that
Dec 16 04:55:02 <atlanta>  Mojo.Controller.errorDialog(“errorMessage”, this.controller.window);
Dec 16 04:55:05 <atlanta> http://www.prototypejs.org/api/class/create
Dec 16 04:55:22 <jfelectron> yes....the Prototype docs do it like that
Dec 16 04:55:48 <atlanta> thing is when i errorDialog with just text it works
Dec 16 04:55:55 <atlanta> add the class method
Dec 16 04:55:55 <atlanta> no go
Dec 16 04:56:06 <Bmyers_qwerty> it doesnt fire?
Dec 16 04:56:09 <jfelectron> OK...so that suggests there is something wrong with the class
Dec 16 04:56:24 <atlanta> Bmyers_qwerty: nope not when i put url.decode
Dec 16 04:56:28 <atlanta> it doesnt fire the dialog
Dec 16 04:56:37 <jfelectron> Use the debugger or put in Mojo.logs into your class
Dec 16 04:56:44 <Bmyers_qwerty> yeah
Dec 16 04:56:54 <jfelectron> you need to figure out if the decode function is even being called
Dec 16 04:57:25 <atlanta> ok :-)
Dec 16 04:57:29 <jfelectron> are you sure audiosrc contains something?
Dec 16 04:57:29 <atlanta> testing now
Dec 16 04:57:31 <atlanta> thanks alot guys
Dec 16 04:57:34 <atlanta> yup
Dec 16 04:57:40 <atlanta> errorDialog(audiosrc)
Dec 16 04:57:42 <atlanta> outputs
Dec 16 04:57:45 <atlanta> the url encodede
Dec 16 04:57:50 <jfelectron> OK...cool
Dec 16 04:58:42 <Bmyers_qwerty> jslint doesnt like var c1 =c2 = c3 = 0; stuff
Dec 16 04:58:52 <Bmyers_qwerty> but that shouldnt break it?
Dec 16 04:59:06 <jfelectron> well its not EMCA strict...but it does work
Dec 16 04:59:51 <Bmyers_qwerty> i dont want to get the guy in trouble with EMCA
Dec 16 05:00:01 <Bmyers_qwerty> i wont report him if you dont..
Dec 16 05:00:41 <jfelectron> lol....we're not about standards here :)
Dec 16 05:00:59 <jfelectron> I'm an engineer...I live by "if it works..."
Dec 16 05:01:24 <Bmyers_qwerty> lionel or HO?
Dec 16 05:01:43 <jfelectron> JSLint is actually stricter than EMCA
Dec 16 05:01:54 <jfelectron> its anal beyond anal
Dec 16 05:02:06 <Bmyers_qwerty> jslint is worse than my 4 yr old
Dec 16 05:02:24 <atlanta> Bmyers_qwerty: Log never gets there
Dec 16 05:02:38 <atlanta> [ 	{ 		"source": "app\/assistants\/stage-assistant.js" 	}, 	{ 		"source": "app\/models\/url.js" 	}, 	{ 		"source": "app\/assistants\/splash-assistant.js", 		"scenes": "splash" 	},  	{ 		"source": "app\/assistants\/word-assistant.js", 		"scenes": "word" 	} ]
Dec 16 05:02:49 <atlanta> http://pastie.org/745220
Dec 16 05:03:14 <jfelectron> Can you use the command line debugger?
Dec 16 05:03:58 <atlanta> im in putty
Dec 16 05:04:12 <jfelectron> Perhaps something else in word-assistant.js is causing it to barf
Dec 16 05:04:13 <Bmyers_qwerty> comment out all your code and just log the class call
Dec 16 05:05:03 <atlanta> its not working out
Dec 16 05:05:04 <atlanta> grrr
Dec 16 05:05:05 <atlanta> lol
Dec 16 05:05:14 <jfelectron> add a break to the line where you create the class object
Dec 16 05:05:15 <atlanta> do u use this
Dec 16 05:05:28 <jfelectron> how?
Dec 16 05:05:29 <atlanta> i use komodo
Dec 16 05:05:33 <atlanta> var url = new url();
Dec 16 05:05:46 <jfelectron> I use komodo as well
Dec 16 05:05:54 <Bmyers_qwerty> can u use another var in of url?
Dec 16 05:05:54 <jfelectron> the debugger is a command line tool
Dec 16 05:06:01 <Bmyers_qwerty> thats goofy..
Dec 16 05:06:11 <atlanta> ok
Dec 16 05:06:12 <atlanta> :-)
Dec 16 05:06:27 <jfelectron> good point
Dec 16 05:06:28 <Bmyers_qwerty> var mywizbangurl = new url ();
Dec 16 05:06:52 <jfelectron> it might be conflicting with the class creation
Dec 16 05:07:04 <Bmyers_qwerty> u know what it is JF?
Dec 16 05:07:10 <Bmyers_qwerty> goofy!
Dec 16 05:07:14 <jfelectron> You could also change your class name to URL
Dec 16 05:07:28 <atlanta> hahahaha that fixed it
Dec 16 05:07:43 <atlanta> Bmyers_qwerty and jfelectron thank you
Dec 16 05:07:57 <jfelectron> oh nice
Dec 16 05:08:02 <Bmyers_qwerty> ur welcome
Dec 16 05:08:21 <atlanta> i seen what was happening
Dec 16 05:08:27 <atlanta> since var url = class.create
Dec 16 05:08:28 <jfelectron> that was all bmyers....I just stared at that like an idiot and kept saying that looks strange to myself
Dec 16 05:08:33 <atlanta> it was overwrittng dugg
Dec 16 05:08:38 <atlanta> duhh** dumb dumb me
Dec 16 05:08:40 <jfelectron> yup
Dec 16 05:09:00 <jfelectron> actually some languages like C++ have crazy name mangling so you can actually do stuff like that
Dec 16 05:09:50 <atlanta> yea thats what i thought
Dec 16 05:09:56 <jfelectron> its only weakly typed languages that have problems because the interpreter happily reassigns variables no matter what the type of the thing being assigned to it
Dec 16 05:09:58 <atlanta> Bmyers_qwerty: thanks alot brother
Dec 16 05:10:05 <atlanta> imma test it out 2mro ok
Dec 16 05:10:18 <jfelectron> swell
Dec 16 05:10:25 <Bmyers_qwerty> my app u mean?
Dec 16 05:10:32 <atlanta> yea
Dec 16 05:10:41 <Bmyers_qwerty> o yeah cool. c u in the morn'n
Dec 16 05:10:47 <atlanta> ok then im gonna slap myself before i go to bed
Dec 16 05:10:53 <atlanta> because unescape worked perfect
Dec 16 05:10:55 <atlanta> GRRRRRRRRRRRR
Dec 16 05:10:55 <sugardave> hey, that LG projector thing is kinda cool
Dec 16 05:11:05 <Bmyers_qwerty> the pocket one?
Dec 16 05:11:22 <sugardave> the one that at&t just showed me on the television screen
Dec 16 05:11:27 <sugardave> it goes with an lg phone
Dec 16 05:12:07 <yetdog> lets hope tmw brings my app's approval! :)
Dec 16 05:12:15 <yetdog> actually, 2 apps ;)
Dec 16 05:12:24 <Bmyers_qwerty> cool, hockey apps?
Dec 16 05:12:26 <sugardave> spammer
Dec 16 05:12:40 <sugardave> j/k
Dec 16 05:12:44 <atlanta> ok good night
Dec 16 05:14:12 <Bmyers_qwerty> sugardave ping
Dec 16 05:17:58 <sugardave> Bmyers_qwerty: here
Dec 16 05:19:41 <CTLAdvance> anyone know what might cause a text box to not be editable, yet it changes to white and highlights text in yellow
Dec 16 05:20:19 <Bmyers_qwerty> is it really not editable?
Dec 16 05:20:50 <CTLAdvance> I cant get anything I type to be included in the box, nor can I delete the text
Dec 16 05:21:05 <CTLAdvance> yet when you click on it, it changes from gray to white, and selects the text
Dec 16 05:21:13 <CTLAdvance> and the cursor blinks
Dec 16 05:21:31 <Bmyers_qwerty> does the log show your chars entered?
Dec 16 05:23:26 <CTLAdvance> No, but would I just use palm-log com.x.x?
Dec 16 05:23:35 <CTLAdvance> or palm-log -f
Dec 16 05:23:49 <Bmyers_qwerty> the first one should work. on the emu
Dec 16 05:24:17 <Bmyers_qwerty> i mucked with the attrib of a text line once and it got goofy on me
Dec 16 05:24:33 <Bmyers_qwerty> i could only type 5 letters and it would stop there..
Dec 16 05:27:47 <CTLAdvance> disregard
Dec 16 05:28:02 <CTLAdvance> I figured it out, I was listening to key press events and stopping the event
Dec 16 05:28:12 <CTLAdvance> Good Evening Adora
Dec 16 05:28:47 <Bmyers_qwerty> well, glad u got it fixed.
Dec 16 05:29:21 <CTLAdvance> thanks for the help!
Dec 16 05:29:39 <CTLAdvance> It was driving me nuts, like it should have worked but it wasnt
Dec 16 05:38:29 <LoneStar34> is there such thing as a global variable in mojo?  boo = hoo instead of var boo = hoo?
Dec 16 05:39:28 <CTLAdvance> yes - but you still need to declare it
Dec 16 05:39:37 <CTLAdvance> usually in the app assistant, or in index
Dec 16 05:40:56 <LoneStar34> oh ok, cuss my emulator is locking up with the following:   gQuery = encodeURIComponent(this.model.originalValue);
Dec 16 05:41:32 <CTLAdvance> where is gQuery declared?
Dec 16 05:41:47 <CTLAdvance> if thats the first use you still need var
Dec 16 05:42:12 <CTLAdvance> otherwise you would need to do something like var gQuery = null or ""
Dec 16 05:42:12 <LoneStar34> yes it is the first time
Dec 16 05:42:23 <CTLAdvance> Yeah so you need to use var
Dec 16 05:42:45 <CTLAdvance> all global meansis that you can access the var anywhere in the app
Dec 16 05:42:54 <CTLAdvance> do you use stage assistant or app assistant?
Dec 16 05:43:47 <LoneStar34> app assistant
Dec 16 05:45:52 <CTLAdvance> ok so in app assistant add a line at the top like this
Dec 16 05:46:07 <CTLAdvance> var gQuery = null;
Dec 16 05:46:16 <CTLAdvance> or replace null with what ever qQuery is
Dec 16 05:46:22 <CTLAdvance> maybe array, string etc
Dec 16 05:46:39 <CTLAdvance> then anywhere in your app you will be able to say gQuery
Dec 16 05:47:06 <LoneStar34> ok thanks will do that right now
Dec 16 05:49:02 <LoneStar34> sorry I am using stage assistant
Dec 16 05:50:24 <CTLAdvance> ok just add it in stage assistant, should still work
Dec 16 05:50:34 <LoneStar34> ok
Dec 16 06:05:29 <CTLAdvance> Good evening Adora
Dec 16 06:10:48 <JenP> g'nite guys
Dec 16 06:12:26 <LoneStar34> nite JenP
Dec 16 06:23:05 <yetdog> gotta love early 90s G-funk :)
Dec 16 06:37:27 <LoneStar34> how would i make the following work: http://pastebin.com/d563bc980
Dec 16 06:37:44 <LoneStar34> it looks simple but is kinda complex....
Dec 16 06:40:16 <Bmyers_qwerty> what is $('res-p'). ?
Dec 16 06:41:01 <Bmyers_qwerty> o
Dec 16 06:41:25 <LoneStar34> sorry the name of the div on the html stage
Dec 16 06:41:38 <Bmyers_qwerty> well u could pass it as a var or set a global
Dec 16 06:41:52 <LoneStar34> <div id="res-p"></div>
Dec 16 06:42:24 <Bmyers_qwerty> thats in firstscene.html i assume
Dec 16 06:42:37 <jfelectron> the book cautions against $()
Dec 16 06:42:47 <Bmyers_qwerty> for multistage apps, yes.
Dec 16 06:42:58 <jfelectron> its better to use this.controller.get()
Dec 16 06:43:35 <Bmyers_qwerty> if its a single stage app $() is ok.
Dec 16 06:43:50 <Bmyers_qwerty> for habit, they say u should use the long method
Dec 16 06:44:17 <Bmyers_qwerty> so you are ready for multistage apps and quirkie stuff with $()
Dec 16 06:44:20 <LoneStar34> Bmyers_qwerty: yes in firstscene.html
Dec 16 06:44:43 <LoneStar34> yeah it is a single page app
Dec 16 06:45:33 <Bmyers_qwerty> $() will work, should get used to long method tho
Dec 16 06:46:48 <jfelectron> if in the future you create a dashboard stage or something then suddenly all your uses of $() become invalid....using the longform is future safe
Dec 16 06:47:16 <Bmyers_qwerty> and thats exactly how i learned about $() and this.controller.get()
Dec 16 06:47:48 <Bmyers_qwerty> but then this.controller.get doesnt save u either..
Dec 16 06:48:33 <LoneStar34> so instead "$('res-p').innerHTML = value_of_sendField;" how would it be written?
Dec 16 06:50:33 <Bmyers_qwerty>  this.controller.get('res-p).innerHTML = "blah"
Dec 16 06:50:37 <Bmyers_qwerty> i beleive...
Dec 16 06:50:49 <Bmyers_qwerty>  this.controller.get('res-p;).innerHTML = "blah"
Dec 16 06:50:56 <Bmyers_qwerty>  this.controller.get('res-p').innerHTML = "blah"
Dec 16 06:50:56 <jfelectron> yes
Dec 16 06:51:06 <Bmyers_qwerty> minus my screwups..
Dec 16 06:51:52 <Bmyers_qwerty> i have to call it a nite tho..
Dec 16 06:52:04 <Bmyers_qwerty> c u l8r jfelectron et al
Dec 16 06:52:15 <jfelectron> see ya!
Dec 16 06:55:07 <LoneStar34> damn browser crashed...
Dec 16 06:55:09 <LoneStar34> sux
Dec 16 06:59:04 <jfelectron> arrrr
Dec 16 07:13:02 <LoneStar34> even simpler code does not display scene: http://pastebin.com/d70c7cf5f  not sure what I am doing wrong
Dec 16 07:13:28 <LoneStar34> correction "does not display on scene"
Dec 16 08:28:41 <edektor> Ive seen alot of talk about Brighthouse labs and the Similar apps thing lately
Dec 16 08:30:13 <edektor> I my opinion they will just be push to the bottom when the app-catalog opens to everyone in Dec.
Dec 16 08:30:21 <edektor> In*
Dec 16 08:50:27 <CTLAdvance> well unless they keep updating all of them
Dec 16 11:41:59 <LoneStar34> anyone know how I can get the following to work: http://pastebin.com/d70c7cf5f
Dec 16 11:46:18 * istojic_ takes a look
Dec 16 11:46:40 <istojic_> oh, btw... congratulate me... i managed to total my car yesterday after a guy hit me on the freeway
Dec 16 11:46:54 <istojic_> doing about 100mph
Dec 16 11:47:17 <istojic_> LoneStar34: why don't you use .update that prototype provides?
Dec 16 11:48:20 <istojic_> like this: http://pastebin.com/m74e09eac
Dec 16 11:48:45 <LoneStar34> istojic_: you don't live in cali do you?
Dec 16 11:49:07 <istojic_> LoneStar34: nope, i don't even live on the correct continent to be living in cali :-)
Dec 16 11:49:28 * istojic_ is from croatia, europe
Dec 16 11:49:46 <LoneStar34> oh, shit - abit far
Dec 16 11:50:16 <LoneStar34> so your car is like an accordion now
Dec 16 11:50:44 <istojic_> not really. i'm friggin amazed. i always suspected that this thing was built like a tank, but now i know
Dec 16 11:51:54 <istojic_> i mean - i completely had my engine department torn off / smashed in, and all doors are still operational, all electronics is still functional... it's just that the engine is strewn across about a mile
Dec 16 11:53:30 <LoneStar34> damn, that is nuts - is it a ruck you have?
Dec 16 11:53:31 <istojic_> what amazes me is that after all that shit, and doing several complete turns, i can list my injuries thusly: 1/4" square of torn skin on my right knee
Dec 16 11:53:33 <LoneStar34> truck
Dec 16 11:54:02 <istojic_> http://img.worldcarfans.com/2009/3/large/new-renault-grand-scenic_11.jpg
Dec 16 11:54:20 <LoneStar34> did anything happen to the other?
Dec 16 11:54:55 <istojic_> the other car was older, didn't have a functioning airbag so the driver got a bit of a bloody nose, but other than that no...
Dec 16 11:56:00 <istojic_> but the situation was insane... it was snowing lightly and i wanted to pass the car because it seemed to me that the driver was acting erratic... so i hit the left lane, push on the gas and as i'm pulling past him, he swerves and clips my rear right corner...
Dec 16 11:56:01 <LoneStar34> your car is nic
Dec 16 11:56:41 <LoneStar34> oh so you did  like a 180 when he hit you?
Dec 16 11:57:08 <istojic_> oh, i'm getting a video from the police... they caught it on cams
Dec 16 11:57:17 <LoneStar34> nice
Dec 16 11:57:23 <istojic_> i did a 360 + 180
Dec 16 11:57:51 <istojic_> the other guy didn't do much because after clipping me, he dove straight for the left-hand "divider" - i'm not sure of the correct term
Dec 16 11:57:57 <LoneStar34> crazy like a carnival ride
Dec 16 11:58:03 <istojic_> sorry, right hand side divider
Dec 16 11:58:16 <istojic_> he went right, i went around and into the left divider
Dec 16 11:58:29 <istojic_> i never totaled a car before, and i'm amazed
Dec 16 11:58:37 <istojic_> that it's possible to get out of something like that
Dec 16 11:58:41 <LoneStar34> yeah divider - wall - retaining wall
Dec 16 11:59:02 <LoneStar34> yeah especially going that fast
Dec 16 11:59:33 <istojic_> phew... i feel really good today
Dec 16 11:59:35 <istojic_> i can tell you that
Dec 16 11:59:39 <LoneStar34> can i use "ThisAssistant.prototype.send"  2 times in the same code?
Dec 16 12:00:29 <istojic_> LoneStar34: not sure what you mean by two times? ThisAssistant.prototype.send is just a property, you can reassign to it as many times as you want
Dec 16 12:01:10 <LoneStar34> istojic:  ok that is what I thought, because the code in pastebin still does not work
Dec 16 12:01:35 <istojic_> define "does not work"... doesn't update the contents or throws an error or something else entirely?
Dec 16 12:01:42 <istojic_> wow, wait... let me see something
Dec 16 12:02:26 <LoneStar34> does not update content on the html scene
Dec 16 12:02:56 <LoneStar34> you write really good english for being Croatian
Dec 16 12:03:51 <istojic_> thanks... i've been living/working/travelling in English speaking countries for the last 12 years or so...
Dec 16 12:03:55 <istojic_> practice makes perfect :-D
Dec 16 12:04:22 <istojic_> hm...
Dec 16 12:04:40 <istojic_> i've never tried building buttons/links like that in webOS
Dec 16 12:04:47 <istojic_> let me just try to paste this into a project
Dec 16 12:05:08 <LoneStar34> yeah,  it is not as simple as it looks
Dec 16 12:05:31 <LoneStar34> been trying to get it working for many hours
Dec 16 12:06:07 <istojic_> hey...
Dec 16 12:06:08 <istojic_> uhm...
Dec 16 12:06:12 <istojic_> i know this is silly
Dec 16 12:06:32 <istojic_> but does your target div really have id of abc?
Dec 16 12:06:41 <istojic_> or whatever you are trying to fill with data?
Dec 16 12:07:25 <LoneStar34> nope div is "<div id='res-p'></div>"
Dec 16 12:07:49 <istojic_> and you do have the correct id in the code?
Dec 16 12:08:10 <LoneStar34> yes
Dec 16 12:08:20 <istojic_> okay, just pasted the stuff, running emu now
Dec 16 12:08:21 <istojic_> just a jiffy
Dec 16 12:10:45 <istojic_> i don't think you will be able to do it that way
Dec 16 12:10:57 <istojic_> it's a twofold problem...
Dec 16 12:11:14 <LoneStar34> yeah,  it is what is seems like
Dec 16 12:11:16 <istojic_> in the original version, where you Foo.prototype.myfunction = function MyFunction() { ... }
Dec 16 12:11:38 <istojic_> the MyFunction doesn't get exported into the global namespace, basically the MyFunction part is optional completely
Dec 16 12:11:44 <istojic_> and if you do it like this:
Dec 16 12:12:03 <istojic_> function MyFunction() {... };    Foo.prototype.myfunction = MyFunction
Dec 16 12:12:26 <istojic_> then you can't bind the function to the scene assistant, and you can't get at the controller
Dec 16 12:12:35 <istojic_> you could go about it in the roundabout way, though...
Dec 16 12:12:45 <istojic_> let me work on it for a second more...
Dec 16 12:17:01 <istojic_> here we go
Dec 16 12:17:36 <LoneStar34> the following code works: but the problem is mojo variables will not work in the function: http://pastebin.com/dab1d50d
Dec 16 12:17:50 <istojic_> hehe, there's a trick, i have it working :-)
Dec 16 12:17:51 <istojic_> http://pastebin.com/m3b5f32ae
Dec 16 12:18:02 * istojic_ hops about... it's good to be alive <3
Dec 16 12:19:28 <istojic_> btw, in my code... what you get with the "stagec" variable is basically what you get from this.controller in ordinary Mojo flow, but, tbh, this looks fugly as hell
Dec 16 12:20:19 <LoneStar34> ok, "profileOwnerName" is the div id?
Dec 16 12:20:43 <istojic_> yeah, i had that lying around to dump stuff into it
Dec 16 12:21:28 <LoneStar34> wow, nice it works!
Dec 16 12:21:33 * istojic_ bows
Dec 16 12:21:55 <LoneStar34> thanks!
Dec 16 12:22:12 <ivanst> this is my proper nickname, though :-)
Dec 16 12:22:31 <LoneStar34> you been working on webos for a while?
Dec 16 12:22:39 <LoneStar34> howdy ivanst!
Dec 16 12:22:58 <ivanst> depends on how you define "a while" - ten days or so
Dec 16 12:23:39 <ivanst> but what really gets me off is that webOS is *EXACTLY* what it says on the tin: it's a web os
Dec 16 12:23:58 <LoneStar34> yeah
Dec 16 12:23:58 <ivanst> i love javascript, i love html... i think i know both of them very well, and working with this is just... amazing
Dec 16 12:24:14 <LoneStar34> yeah, need to learn more javascript
Dec 16 12:24:41 <ivanst> JS is absolutely amazing, and i'm telling you that from the perspective of a person who worked on several commercial projects written in common lisp
Dec 16 12:25:31 <ivanst> i love lisp, always have, always will, but man, webOS is growing on me...
Dec 16 12:25:53 <ivanst> i had to splurge about 800$ to get an unlocked german Pre to Croatia, but damn it was so. worth. every. cent.
Dec 16 12:26:27 <LoneStar34> yeah, need to get a palm pre myself
Dec 16 12:26:49 <ivanst> you are working on the emulator alone?
Dec 16 12:27:04 <LoneStar34> yeah
Dec 16 12:27:28 <ivanst> let me just give you one hint about emu vs device: what looks huge on the emu is in fact medium sized or tiny on the device
Dec 16 12:27:47 <ivanst> be careful about finalizing UI design before you see it on the device
Dec 16 12:27:54 <LoneStar34> you want to test one app?
Dec 16 12:27:59 <ivanst> sure!
Dec 16 12:28:36 <ivanst> LoneStar34: would you mind if i /msg you?
Dec 16 12:28:54 <LoneStar34> http://admin.home.lonestarbeer.operaunite.com/file_sharing/content/
Dec 16 12:28:59 <ivanst> ah! :-)
Dec 16 12:29:10 <LoneStar34> pass: iNOY
Dec 16 12:29:25 <LoneStar34> newest is 1.0.3.ipk
Dec 16 12:29:34 <ivanst> okay, just a jiffy
Dec 16 12:29:39 <LoneStar34> k
Dec 16 12:29:49 <ivanst> i really need another microUSB cable...
Dec 16 12:31:58 <LoneStar34> i really need a pre =)
Dec 16 12:33:11 <ivanst> okay, it's on the device, now to install it
Dec 16 12:33:40 <LoneStar34> ok cool
Dec 16 12:34:05 <LoneStar34> it is simple little app, working on a more complex one now
Dec 16 12:36:40 <ivanst> wow, this looks really nice! :-)
Dec 16 12:37:23 <LoneStar34> thanks,
Dec 16 12:37:52 <ivanst> it works
Dec 16 12:37:55 <ivanst> i have one... question
Dec 16 12:38:06 <LoneStar34> glad it works!
Dec 16 12:38:35 <LoneStar34> it copies to clipboard so you can use the short url in any app
Dec 16 12:38:46 <ivanst> yup, noticed it...
Dec 16 12:38:50 <ivanst> let me verify the copy :-p
Dec 16 12:40:00 <ivanst> okay, so it works great!
Dec 16 12:40:03 <ivanst> one small note...
Dec 16 12:40:12 <ivanst> the add keyword interface is kind of... fucked up :-p
Dec 16 12:40:35 <ivanst> (i love my subtlety)
Dec 16 12:41:01 <LoneStar34> not problem, it does not work, or just looks fucked up?
Dec 16 12:41:10 <ivanst> just confuses me
Dec 16 12:41:11 <ivanst> i mean
Dec 16 12:41:15 <ivanst> my workflow
Dec 16 12:41:27 <ivanst> paste url...
Dec 16 12:41:32 <ivanst> notice the "add keyword" thing...
Dec 16 12:41:34 <ivanst> click it
Dec 16 12:41:58 <LoneStar34> ok clicked
Dec 16 12:42:08 <ivanst> the custom keyword item appears in the list
Dec 16 12:42:24 <ivanst> but the focus stays nowhere... and i still have the add keyword link down there
Dec 16 12:42:36 <ivanst> so...
Dec 16 12:42:38 <ivanst> i enter noodle
Dec 16 12:42:54 <ivanst> well, first i tap the new row so i can type :-)
Dec 16 12:43:05 <ivanst> and i still have the add keyword
Dec 16 12:43:06 <LoneStar34> the app is suppose to mimic http://uoid.me
Dec 16 12:43:07 <ivanst> so i click it again
Dec 16 12:43:22 <ivanst> and the new row disappears :-(
Dec 16 12:43:47 <ivanst> okay, honestly?
Dec 16 12:43:54 <ivanst> it mimics the web perfectly!
Dec 16 12:44:03 <ivanst> it behaves *exactly* like the web site
Dec 16 12:44:47 <hcatlin> LoneStar34: damnit!
Dec 16 12:44:51 <hcatlin> I was about to code something like that
Dec 16 12:44:55 <ivanst> hahaha
Dec 16 12:44:56 <ivanst> :D
Dec 16 12:45:11 <LoneStar34> hcatlin: sorry
Dec 16 12:45:24 <hcatlin> well, mine was a bitttt different
Dec 16 12:45:43 <LoneStar34> built urloid back in 2007 before most people knew what short URLs where
Dec 16 12:46:05 <hcatlin> hasn't taken off?
Dec 16 12:46:36 <LoneStar34> let it collect dust since about 2 months ago
Dec 16 12:46:45 <LoneStar34> invanst:  I have "ThisAssistant.prototype.send = MoreResults;" another "ThisAssistant.prototype.send = function() {"
Dec 16 12:47:06 <LoneStar34> and they conflict...
Dec 16 12:47:31 <ivanst> they shouldn't "conflict" as such, it's just like: var a = 5; a = 7;
Dec 16 12:47:38 <ivanst> there's no conflict, just reassignment
Dec 16 12:47:42 <ivanst> btw
Dec 16 12:47:47 <LoneStar34> no one just does not run
Dec 16 12:48:08 <ivanst> i was kind of stymied before: why do you want that function in your assistant?
Dec 16 12:49:07 <LoneStar34> needs to be in the assistant, because i need to pass values into it
Dec 16 12:50:44 <ivanst> not really...
Dec 16 12:50:49 <LoneStar34> hcatlin: reintroduced urloid once again,  some months ago, so thought I should do it properly by building a WebOS app for it
Dec 16 12:51:38 <LoneStar34> ivanst:  need to add some ajax code into it and need the values to be dynamic
Dec 16 12:52:14 <ivanst> in that case, i think you are taking the wrong approach
Dec 16 12:52:38 <ivanst> ie. you should hit your links from the scene assistant's setup method and listen for their tap events
Dec 16 12:53:49 <LoneStar34> ivanst: is that complicated to do?
Dec 16 12:54:49 <ivanst> not really
Dec 16 12:54:54 <ivanst> care to see a pastebin?
Dec 16 12:54:56 <LoneStar34> pretty much what I need to do is:  I already have one ajax call working perfectly: but the code you wrote would contain another ajax call just for pagination
Dec 16 12:55:04 <ivanst> okay...
Dec 16 12:55:25 <LoneStar34> pastebin why not
Dec 16 12:55:30 <ivanst> explain the functionality first ;-)
Dec 16 12:57:56 <LoneStar34> 1.) user enters text and clicks submit 2.) results are provided ( already works) 3.)  user wants more results - the onClick="MoreResults()"; will send out the other ajax request with new results...
Dec 16 12:58:50 <ivanst> okay, so instead of doing the way you did it with the links and calling functions from the HTML, try it like this:
Dec 16 12:58:56 <ivanst> http://pastebin.com/m1417786
Dec 16 13:01:18 <LoneStar34> ok let me try it
Dec 16 13:02:05 <ivanst> of course, you wouldn't be using an <a> tag any more, you'd probably use a <span> with a proper class
Dec 16 13:02:44 <LoneStar34> so the new code does essentially the same thing as the code before?
Dec 16 13:04:09 <ivanst> essentially yes... you would move the "payload" code into the shareButtonTapped function, you would lose the parts where you go about getting a stage/scene controller because you have it injected via this.controller...
Dec 16 13:04:46 <ivanst> and, the best benefit (in my mind) you can give the view to anyone to edit, just let them know that whatever is going to be the "more results" needs to have a certain id
Dec 16 13:04:54 <ivanst> and let them style the shit out of it
Dec 16 13:09:05 <LoneStar34> FooAssistant.prototype.shareButtonTapped = function() {} does NOT go into the setup scene assistant right?
Dec 16 13:09:05 <LoneStar34>  
Dec 16 13:10:29 <ivanst> nope
Dec 16 13:10:50 <ivanst> it's at the "top level" of your scene's assistant
Dec 16 13:10:57 <ivanst> Foo would be the name of your scene in this case
Dec 16 13:12:29 <LoneStar34> so how do I click on the scene?
Dec 16 13:13:22 <LoneStar34> ivanst: never mind go it
Dec 16 13:14:07 <LoneStar34> ivanst: i think I will owe you alot of pints!
Dec 16 13:14:22 <ivanst> i'll call you up on that when i'm in your city the next time ;-)
Dec 16 13:14:42 <ivanst> it's all about spreading love :-D
Dec 16 13:16:29 <LoneStar34> well, cool, do you ever been to austin?
Dec 16 13:18:05 <ivanst> never visited texas, i'm sorry to say
Dec 16 13:18:17 <LoneStar34> what about san diego?
Dec 16 13:20:05 <ivanst> only in passing
Dec 16 13:20:10 <ivanst> i've spent quite some time in SF
Dec 16 13:20:35 <ivanst> that's the only S that i've spent (a long) time in
Dec 16 13:21:46 <LoneStar34> oh ok, was living in SD until recently, will go back one point...
Dec 16 13:22:18 <LoneStar34> ivanst:  fuck thanks!
Dec 16 13:22:42 <ivanst> fuck thanks?! :-)
Dec 16 13:23:18 <LoneStar34> it work great, now tons more code to write, but this was one huge wall
Dec 16 13:24:02 <LoneStar34> are you at work?
Dec 16 13:24:18 <ivanst> i'm a solo consultant... i'm at work whenever/wherever i decide that i am
Dec 16 13:24:26 <ivanst> i'm currently on an adrenaline trip because i'm still alive
Dec 16 13:24:43 <ivanst> the crash was just ~14 hours ago, still not completely off it
Dec 16 13:24:56 <LoneStar34> wow, did you have pints afterwards?
Dec 16 13:25:14 <LoneStar34> now i feel like having a pint (7.25 am here )...
Dec 16 13:25:33 <LoneStar34> brb
Dec 16 13:26:27 <ivanst> hahah... no, i had a friend pick me up on the freeway and drive me shaking back home
Dec 16 13:28:49 <bpadalino> congrats on being alive
Dec 16 13:28:51 <LoneStar34> yeah, never been in a big wreck, unless u can call me a wreck at times
Dec 16 13:29:22 <LoneStar34> gonna get some hot tea
Dec 16 13:31:05 <atlanta> damn screen wont come on on my pre :-(
Dec 16 13:31:12 <atlanta> off to sprint afterwork
Dec 16 13:31:28 <BMyers> bummer
Dec 16 13:31:50 <LoneStar34> ivanst: you ever go to ireland?
Dec 16 13:32:06 <atlanta> BMyers: i know it hit the floor pretty hard
Dec 16 13:32:15 <atlanta> still on sound works but no screen
Dec 16 13:32:17 <atlanta> grrrrr
Dec 16 13:32:26 <BMyers> the bounce test..
Dec 16 13:32:27 <LoneStar34> atlanta: that sucks
Dec 16 13:32:29 <atlanta> i need a newer build anyway it keep shutting off
Dec 16 13:32:41 <atlanta> when i closed the slider to vigorously
Dec 16 13:32:47 <ivanst> LoneStar34: never visited ireland...
Dec 16 13:32:56 <LoneStar34> my cheap cricket phone fell in the toilet the other day, if it makes you feel any better
Dec 16 13:33:27 <LoneStar34> i want to live somewhere in europe for awhile
Dec 16 13:33:33 <ivanst> LoneStar34: come to vienna
Dec 16 13:33:34 <LoneStar34> hopefully soon
Dec 16 13:33:36 <ivanst> i've lived 3 years there
Dec 16 13:33:39 <ivanst> enough IT jobs
Dec 16 13:33:41 <LoneStar34> you are in vienna?
Dec 16 13:33:49 <ivanst> LoneStar34: i lived there for 3 years
Dec 16 13:34:01 <ivanst> i'm in zagreb, croatia atm...
Dec 16 13:34:02 <LoneStar34> my  good friend lives ins salsburg
Dec 16 13:34:06 <ivanst> oooh
Dec 16 13:34:09 <ivanst> been there, kicks ass
Dec 16 13:34:22 <ivanst> but i really, really love vienna because it's such an international hub
Dec 16 13:34:30 <ivanst> berlin is also a good option
Dec 16 13:34:41 <LoneStar34> yeah, that is what i hear,
Dec 16 13:35:13 <LoneStar34> ivanst: so right now as you sit you are in vienna or zagreb?
Dec 16 13:35:51 <ivanst> zagreb
Dec 16 13:36:04 <LoneStar34> ok, cool
Dec 16 13:36:20 <LoneStar34> how did you find gigs in vienna?
Dec 16 13:36:49 <ivanst> networking :-p i did an almost 3 year stint working for Siemens, and if you are smart, you pick up contacts like that
Dec 16 13:37:48 <LoneStar34> cool shit
Dec 16 13:38:07 <LoneStar34> might need to cross the pond! sooner than later!
Dec 16 13:38:40 <LoneStar34> you speak: english, croatian, geman? and what else?
Dec 16 13:38:57 <BMyers> atlanta: so no app review from this morn'n or r u using the emu?
Dec 16 13:39:07 <atlanta> i can use the emu
Dec 16 13:39:30 <ivanst> LoneStar34, some czech and dutch (don't even ask)
Dec 16 13:39:59 <ivanst> i mean, enough czech/dutch to go in a restaurant or get myself out of trouble, but nowhere near enough to be workplace-safe ;-)
Dec 16 13:40:31 <univac_> pepicek
Dec 16 13:40:36 <LoneStar34> ok cool
Dec 16 13:41:22 <ivanst> i think what defines me as a person is the willingness to travel a lot. i'm really not the type of guy to be in one place for long...
Dec 16 13:41:56 <JenP> morning all!
Dec 16 13:42:10 <LoneStar34> morning JenP!
Dec 16 13:42:54 <LoneStar34> invanst:  yeah that is bad-ass - love to travel, but have not done nearly enough
Dec 16 13:43:21 <LoneStar34> JenP: you work as a coder?
Dec 16 13:43:34 <ivanst> well drag your ass over the pond asap. i want my pints.
Dec 16 13:43:43 <JenP> pints?
Dec 16 13:44:32 <ivanst> JenP: LoneStar34 promised me some alcohol as a token of gratitude...
Dec 16 13:44:50 <JenP> oh?
Dec 16 13:45:22 <LoneStar34> lovely day for a guinness!
Dec 16 13:45:24 <BMyers> hi jenp
Dec 16 13:45:39 <JenP> hey BMyers!
Dec 16 13:45:52 <BMyers> hows it going out there?
Dec 16 13:46:05 <JenP> quiet...still early
Dec 16 13:46:07 <BMyers> u r up early!
Dec 16 13:46:30 <JenP> lol nope up late! usually up at 4...gonna have to miss my work out
Dec 16 13:46:52 <BMyers> yikes
Dec 16 13:47:38 <JenP> BMyers how's the app coming along?
Dec 16 13:48:03 <BMyers> i am in the never endless "almost done" mode..
Dec 16 13:48:14 <JenP> oh no...
Dec 16 13:48:33 <BMyers> just have to choose when to stop devel and SHIP THIS SUCKER
Dec 16 13:48:38 <JenP> you should submit before the cut off
Dec 16 13:48:45 <JenP> lol
Dec 16 13:48:48 <BMyers> when is that?
Dec 16 13:49:14 <JenP> idk exactly, but i've heard it was suppose to be mid Dec
Dec 16 13:49:30 <JenP> may be when Adora comes on she can tell us
Dec 16 13:49:48 <BMyers> i got my account yesterday so i'm set to go there
Dec 16 13:50:04 <JenP> good. but don't forget about review time.
Dec 16 13:50:11 <BMyers> ACK
Dec 16 13:50:22 <BMyers> yeah, "review time"
Dec 16 13:50:32 <JenP> but they are very fast now
Dec 16 13:50:37 <BMyers> this thing is so complicated they'll just pass it on thru
Dec 16 13:50:48 <JenP> lol
Dec 16 13:50:59 <BMyers> i'm hoping anyway..
Dec 16 13:50:59 <JenP> i can't wait to see it
Dec 16 13:51:21 <ivanst> BMyers: what are you doing?
Dec 16 13:51:21 <BMyers> well thanks. cant wait to have it DONE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD
Dec 16 13:51:23 <JenP> it will
Dec 16 13:51:26 <ivanst> if you don't mind me asking?
Dec 16 13:51:49 <BMyers> its a business app
Dec 16 13:52:05 <JenP> he's making a gps tracking app for my shoe collection
Dec 16 13:52:09 <BMyers> lol
Dec 16 13:52:13 <JenP> i always fear them walking away on me
Dec 16 13:52:15 <BMyers> shoe-jack
Dec 16 13:52:18 <JenP> lol
Dec 16 13:52:21 <BMyers> in case someone steals her shoes..
Dec 16 13:52:54 <JenP> OH! they're starting to put gps chips in bonsai trees out here
Dec 16 13:53:01 <LoneStar34> low-jack for shoes
Dec 16 13:53:09 <JenP> lots of thefts...bonsai society if very upset
Dec 16 13:53:24 <BMyers> bonsai trees dont travel much do they?
Dec 16 13:53:34 <JenP> the competition ones do
Dec 16 13:53:44 <BMyers> i guess..
Dec 16 13:54:03 <BMyers> real life awaits me. BBS
Dec 16 13:54:16 <JenP> byes
Dec 16 13:55:53 <CTLAdvance> it seems they have slowed down some
Dec 16 13:57:36 <g1bz> Hi all, as anybody had any joy connecting via ajax.request/xhr with NTLM credentials?
Dec 16 13:57:37 <LoneStar34> ivanst: so far so good with the code!
Dec 16 13:58:44 <ivanst> LoneStar34: well you did get it from me, didn't you? :-p
Dec 16 14:00:31 <LoneStar34> yeah
Dec 16 14:00:53 <LoneStar34> the ajax calls are working fine, now need to make it more dynamic
Dec 16 14:02:09 <JenP> k guys i gotta get ready for work. ttyl
Dec 16 14:07:09 <g073nks> question, is there ever a need to do multiple html files or just use javascript to handle all nessicary physical changes?
Dec 16 14:09:58 <LoneStar34> g073nks: you need diffent html pages for certain stuff, like "help page" and others
Dec 16 14:10:28 <g073nks> LoneStar34, will they appear as different cards?
Dec 16 14:10:44 <LoneStar34> yes
Dec 16 14:11:24 <ivanst> not really
Dec 16 14:11:40 <ivanst> cards = what you see on your initial screen (when you touch the glowy button)
Dec 16 14:11:47 <LoneStar34> you will need:  atleast one page for your app, then another for help: but then again, I am sure you can code it all in one
Dec 16 14:13:05 <g073nks> exactly
Dec 16 14:13:22 <ivanst> i'm not exactly sure you are using the right terminology here :-p
Dec 16 14:15:23 <g073nks> i just don't want things flipping arround
Dec 16 14:16:55 * ivanst hates how slow this new keyboard layout is making him at times...
Dec 16 14:19:16 <LoneStar34> g073nks:  any app you make needs to have a help page, or else it is instant rejection
Dec 16 14:19:29 <g073nks> lol i understand
Dec 16 14:19:35 <g073nks> i mean during normal app running
Dec 16 14:19:55 <g073nks> i don't want the page to flip arround
Dec 16 14:20:05 <prototypic> early access program been shut down yet?
Dec 16 14:21:00 <prototypic> or do I still have a chance?
Dec 16 14:23:26 <prototypic> nm looks like I'm good today
Dec 16 14:31:37 <atlanta> Bmyers: IT WORKS AGAIN
Dec 16 14:31:39 <atlanta> YES
Dec 16 14:33:28 <LoneStar34> ivanst: was thinking the other day, if the palm pre had an fm antenna, could a javascript radio be written, or would it have to be C code?
Dec 16 14:33:39 <ivanst> who knows?
Dec 16 14:33:48 <Bmyers> did you drop it again to fix it?
Dec 16 14:33:48 <ivanst> if my grandma had wheels, she'd be a bus...
Dec 16 14:33:59 <atlanta> prototypic: you just submit and see
Dec 16 14:34:12 <atlanta> Bmyers: yea i tapped it hard a few times
Dec 16 14:34:13 <g073nks> if there's a way for it to recieve data from the antenae it could be written
Dec 16 14:34:16 <atlanta> and left the battery out
Dec 16 14:34:24 <g073nks> needs more then just an antenae though
Dec 16 14:34:29 <Bmyers> i could see that happening.
Dec 16 14:34:36 <LoneStar34> ok, looked online for fm radio code even in C or C++ but did not find anything
Dec 16 14:42:26 <g073nks> i could write that, IF there were hardware in the pre/pixi to communicate with it
Dec 16 14:52:21 <LoneStar34> g073nks:  yeah it would be a cool app
Dec 16 14:53:39 <g073nks> lol i'm better at C/C++/Java then at javascript
Dec 16 14:54:44 <LoneStar34> g073nks: what is MacOS written in? C?  aAnd windows: C++?
Dec 16 14:55:39 <g073nks> both in C i believe
Dec 16 14:55:52 <g073nks> applications are generally written in C++
Dec 16 14:57:01 <LoneStar34> oh ok
Dec 16 14:58:56 <LoneStar34> g073nks:  I have only compiled C code that is about it
Dec 16 14:59:09 <LoneStar34> anc C++ code
Dec 16 15:00:43 <g073nks> i've worked with C, C++, Java, Assembly, Basic, Visual Basic
Dec 16 15:04:19 <atlanta> working on some adobe AIR stuff
Dec 16 15:16:21 <Bmyers> so is scroller mode an attrib or part of the model?
Dec 16 15:25:14 <yetdog> morning folks!
Dec 16 15:26:12 <sugardave> morning
Dec 16 15:26:30 <Bmyers> morn'n sugardave
Dec 16 15:26:39 <sugardave> hey Bmyers
Dec 16 15:27:00 <sugardave> haven't had a chance to put your app on my phone yet...real work is getting in the way of fun time
Dec 16 15:27:03 <Bmyers> hows the world today SD?
Dec 16 15:27:13 <sugardave> bleak, but I will whip it in the ass
Dec 16 15:27:23 <Bmyers> :)
Dec 16 15:27:36 <Bmyers> prolly the other way round for me today...
Dec 16 15:27:46 <sugardave> also just realized I have 9 days of vacation to use or lose
Dec 16 15:27:50 <Bmyers> my 4 yr old girl is having a bad day
Dec 16 15:27:58 <sugardave> so, REALLY want to get my shit done by Friday
Dec 16 15:28:01 <sugardave> Bmyers: lame
Dec 16 15:28:10 <Bmyers> and is shes having a bad day, i'm having a bad day too
Dec 16 15:28:53 <Bmyers> QQ sugardave,
Dec 16 15:29:03 <sugardave> shoot
Dec 16 15:29:17 <Bmyers> instead of "Go" on my splash screen,  _____ might be better...
Dec 16 15:29:33 <yetdog> now on day 3 of my resubmits "being reviewed" - :(
Dec 16 15:29:34 <sugardave> CHARGE!
Dec 16 15:29:36 <sugardave> hehe
Dec 16 15:29:39 <Bmyers> lol
Dec 16 15:29:45 <Bmyers> CHA CHING
Dec 16 15:29:56 <sugardave> um, not sure...I will think about that one
Dec 16 15:30:07 <sugardave> 'Okay' is nice and generic
Dec 16 15:30:13 <Bmyers> Go was just like a "hey it works" value..
Dec 16 15:30:25 <Bmyers> i did put a scroller on there tho
Dec 16 15:30:31 <Bmyers> thanks for that suggestion
Dec 16 15:30:43 <sugardave> yetdog: I had Yule Log initially approved in about 24 hours...my re-submit for feature add is on day 3 now :D
Dec 16 15:30:44 <Bmyers> gave u kudos in the source
Dec 16 15:30:49 <sugardave> Bmyers: ah, cool
Dec 16 15:31:39 <Bmyers> i also finished all your other suggestions too
Dec 16 15:31:44 <Bmyers> i'll send over a new version
Dec 16 15:32:00 <yetdog> sugardave: yuck :( yeah hopefully we both get lucky today. mine was just a help scene add as you probably know by now lol
Dec 16 15:32:06 <sugardave> oh, sweet....send me that one and when I get a chance to try on the phone, I'll use the new one
Dec 16 15:32:18 <sugardave> yetdog: gets pretty much everybody the first time through :D
Dec 16 15:32:32 <sugardave> I think pandora is the only person I saw whose first app was never returned
Dec 16 15:32:33 <Bmyers> you'll have to remove the old one to get the splash screen back
Dec 16 15:32:50 <sugardave> Bmyers: no problem, it's not on my phone yet, but good to know for the emu
Dec 16 15:33:12 <Bmyers> thx again SD..
Dec 16 15:33:25 <sugardave> np
Dec 16 15:33:30 <Bmyers> i'll cross some fingers and toes for the sake of your apps in the Q
Dec 16 15:33:55 <sugardave> yeah, I would like to get Yule Log back near the top of 'recent' after all the recipes/sports apps
Dec 16 15:33:58 <sugardave> *grumble*
Dec 16 15:34:09 <Bmyers> prolly swamped with all the "get in under the wire" apps submitted
Dec 16 15:34:23 <Bmyers> like mine..
Dec 16 15:34:44 <sugardave> I need to finish stripping out all my cloud code from BOFH Excuse Generator and get a paid version in the queue
Dec 16 15:34:59 <Bmyers> cloud code?
Dec 16 15:35:00 <sugardave> before I got to pay $50 for the privilege
Dec 16 15:35:13 <sugardave> Bmyers: the free version is ad-supported, I do a lot of cloud stuff in there
Dec 16 15:35:19 <Bmyers> o
Dec 16 15:35:36 <Bmyers> yeah $50 starts you off digging out of a hole for your app
Dec 16 15:35:49 <Bmyers> at $1 a pop, some apps wouldnt be worth submitting
Dec 16 15:35:55 <sugardave> the good news is that even Yule Log was better than break-even on that
Dec 16 15:36:08 <sugardave> people will buy ANYTHING
Dec 16 15:36:17 <Bmyers> thats what i counting on!
Dec 16 15:36:49 <Bmyers> I'm gonna write a shoe finder app and sell it for $50
Dec 16 15:36:53 <sugardave> haha
Dec 16 15:37:04 <sugardave> "In your closet."
Dec 16 15:37:05 <Bmyers> hope Jenp will buy it first and get me into the black..
Dec 16 15:37:35 <sugardave> yay, meetings....bbiab
Dec 16 15:37:48 <Bmyers> l8r!
Dec 16 15:39:29 <yetdog> im hoping a lot of dave matthews band fans own pres/pixis! :)
Dec 16 15:39:36 <yetdog> $0.99 for the tour central app
Dec 16 15:41:28 <binbasti> hi
Dec 16 15:44:09 <binbasti> is it true that there's no way of getting the location in the browser through either a w3c-conform geolocation api or a proprietary method?
Dec 16 15:49:03 <yetdog> kesne!
Dec 16 16:03:51 <webOSdev> Anyone here have experience with memory management issues?  My app can open browser cards and if I play around with it enough I get the 'too many cards open' error message (even when my app is the only one open) and the app becomes unresponsive (just a white screen with the view menu buttons visible but dont do anything)
Dec 16 16:05:56 <gkatsev> webOSdev: ive had that happen. try jstop to see whats happening exactly.
Dec 16 16:06:27 <webOSdev> jstop?
Dec 16 16:06:46 <webOSdev> is that a utility through novaterm?
Dec 16 16:09:36 <webOSdev> from the twiki @ http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:JsTop it doesn't look like it is much different than palm-worm
Dec 16 16:09:36 <webOSdev> which says my app is releasing the service handles.
Dec 16 16:26:34 <yetdog> quiet morning in here!
Dec 16 16:26:39 <sirgeoph> that it is
Dec 16 16:27:00 <LoneStar34> yeah - singing the rain
Dec 16 16:33:52 <bubeck_> Does anyone know, if it is possible to write a linux application running as a daemon and distribute that over the official palm app catalog?
Dec 16 16:36:28 <ambackstrom> webOSdev: I've had that problem with mostly stock apps, before i started developing
Dec 16 16:36:47 <ambackstrom> maybe a couple of downloaded apps, like Tweed
Dec 16 16:38:30 <webOSdev> that problem... but no solution yet, right? :)
Dec 16 16:41:09 <ambackstrom> nothing short of a reboot
Dec 16 17:16:21 <jkok> !list
Dec 16 17:21:33 <CTLAdvance> Anyone know what it means when the device throws error: null
Dec 16 17:21:42 <CTLAdvance> its a very usefull error code
Dec 16 17:25:12 <bryanroth> CTLAdvance: What are you talking about? That's a very descriptive error. :P
Dec 16 17:37:11 <AtomicPlayboy> Geeze, freenode is having issues today.
Dec 16 17:38:24 <yetdog> i guess im one of the lucky ones
Dec 16 17:38:30 <gkatsev> major ddos
Dec 16 17:38:43 <gkatsev> been going on since yesterday morning
Dec 16 17:53:06 <kokd> !list
Dec 16 17:59:04 <kokd> blackberry apps?
Dec 16 18:10:57 <Pre101> kokd: What are you talking about?
Dec 16 18:41:17 <gkatsev> kokd: perhaps you have the wrong channel?
Dec 16 18:48:20 <yetdog> oh hey great! more brighthouse labs spam!
Dec 16 18:49:37 <gkatsev> yeah, im unfollowing palmnewapps on twitter. great idea, but because of that its crap
Dec 16 18:49:49 <gkatsev> ill just read the precentral roundups
Dec 16 18:49:59 <yetdog> indeed. plus it makes my 3+ day resubmit for a help scene that much more frustrating
Dec 16 18:50:04 <yetdog> esp since they were so quick to review it in the first place
Dec 16 18:51:35 <gkatsev> yeah, sucks.
Dec 16 18:52:16 <renegaid> why is the pre clocked at 500mhz while the android phone has the same processor but clocked at 550
Dec 16 18:52:38 <yetdog> early run proc's weren't proven to be stable / long lasting @ 600
Dec 16 18:52:46 <sugardave> because Palm didn't make the android phone?
Dec 16 18:53:11 <gkatsev> renegaid: the processor was the first used and some of the bins didnt rate @600, so, palm bought the 500 ones and perhaps 600 ones sold as 500.
Dec 16 18:53:52 <gkatsev> which is also why the 600 scaling/smart reflex patches were killed
Dec 16 18:55:23 <gkatsev> s/bins/dyes/
Dec 16 18:58:22 <ivanst> i'm sad to report that Mojo.Depot "ext:" databases are also deleted along with the application
Dec 16 18:58:38 <sugardave> ivanst: right now, ext: sqlite dbs are not
Dec 16 18:58:42 <sugardave> but that will be fixed
Dec 16 18:58:56 <ivanst> hm...
Dec 16 18:59:16 <ivanst> ah... silly me
Dec 16 18:59:21 <sugardave> are not deleted according to Rick...haven't tried it myself
Dec 16 18:59:36 <ivanst> i had a "palm-install -r" in my make file before installing the newer version
Dec 16 18:59:44 <sugardave> oops
Dec 16 18:59:46 <ivanst> if you just install the newer version, the dbs don't get killed!
Dec 16 18:59:51 <sugardave> right
Dec 16 19:00:01 <ivanst> i was wondering about the upgrade path between versions, but now that issue has been solved
Dec 16 19:00:06 <ivanst> moving on down the line...
Dec 16 19:01:42 <Bmyers> this.controller.errorDialog("There must be"); is this syntax wrong?
Dec 16 19:01:59 <Bmyers> i tried Mojo.Controller.errorDialog also
Dec 16 19:06:34 <LoneStar34> anyone know a simple pagination technique for Mojo?
Dec 16 19:09:57 <ivanst> LoneStar34: you mean besides using a List widget?
Dec 16 19:11:04 <Bmyers> Mojo.Controller.errorDialog needs another arg if you are using a multistage app? what the second magic arg?
Dec 16 19:11:11 <LoneStar34> yes, cuss my code is totally modified and does not use the list widget
Dec 16 19:11:54 <LoneStar34> ivanst: you are 8 hours difference from NYC?
Dec 16 19:12:50 <ivanst> just 6 right now, or so the world time clock would have me believe
Dec 16 19:12:58 <ivanst> daylight savings and all that
Dec 16 19:13:57 <ivanst> or the lack thereof, i never know which is which
Dec 16 19:14:24 <LoneStar34> oh 8pm in your parts?
Dec 16 19:14:41 <balrog-kun> how do you get the geotags from wobOS-taken photos?
Dec 16 19:14:51 <balrog-kun> from command line or otherwise
Dec 16 19:20:59 <LoneStar34> how do I retreive the "units" value  from the following querystring in javascript?  abc.com?units=1000
Dec 16 19:27:19 <yetdog> lonestar - when pushing a scene w/ a value?
Dec 16 19:42:10 <ivanst> LoneStar34: yup, it's 8:36pm here right now and i'm making pancakes!
Dec 16 19:52:20 <hawiwo> hi
Dec 16 19:54:13 <Bmyers> hi hawiwo
Dec 16 20:21:31 <swisstomcat> g'day
Dec 16 20:22:54 <jfelectron> LoneStar34: use a regular expression
Dec 16 20:25:21 <jfelectron> Actually just use decodeURI()
Dec 16 20:26:10 <Rick_work> jfelectron +++
Dec 16 20:28:01 <jfelectron> Err....actually the method you want is the Prototype string.toQueryParams()
Dec 16 20:28:19 <jfelectron> decodeURI just unescapes the uri
Dec 16 20:28:58 <Rick_work> well, you want to do both, right?
Dec 16 20:29:16 <jfelectron> yes....but I'm talking to myself here...loneStar34 is gone
Dec 16 20:29:24 <Rick_work> decodeuri first, to get a "real" string, then toQueryParams to get an array of the params
Dec 16 20:29:29 <jfelectron> correct
Dec 16 20:29:51 <jfelectron> the uri given above was already escaped
Dec 16 20:30:02 <Rick_work> unescaped
Dec 16 20:30:22 <jfelectron> errr.yeah
Dec 16 20:30:27 <webOSRoundup> Hey everyone
Dec 16 20:32:45 <gkatsev> webOSRoundup: hey. thanks for doing the write up on brighthouse labs
Dec 16 20:33:19 <Rick_work> and good job on being fairly fair about it.
Dec 16 20:33:35 <Rick_work> Someone at palm really REALLY wants that magic 1000 number by Jan 1....
Dec 16 20:33:51 <webOSRoundup> seriously
Dec 16 20:33:55 <webOSRoundup> I tried to be even handed
Dec 16 20:34:02 <webOSRoundup> glad you liked the article
Dec 16 20:34:47 <webOSRoundup> I am guessing they will get pretty darn close to that mark
Dec 16 20:34:55 <webOSRoundup> probably upper 800s
Dec 16 20:35:18 <webOSRoundup> considering how many apps were in there 3 months ago...pretty impressive
Dec 16 20:35:27 <jfelectron> is it really?
Dec 16 20:35:31 <webOSRoundup> course you have to take out almost 20% if you remove Brighthouse
Dec 16 20:35:41 <jfelectron> what happened to the 'quality apps' paradigm?
Dec 16 20:35:57 <webOSRoundup> who is palm to consider what is quality?
Dec 16 20:36:10 <gkatsev> jfelectron: it died when the iphone got 1000 flashlight apps
Dec 16 20:36:19 <jfelectron> its like the megapixel war in cameras...consumers want more, but its not necessarily better
Dec 16 20:36:22 <webOSRoundup> I agree Brighthouse is not good for the community
Dec 16 20:36:29 <webOSRoundup> but I don't agree that palm should say what apps are good and which aren't
Dec 16 20:36:43 <jfelectron> Its  a hard line to draw for any managed app store I think
Dec 16 20:37:08 <webOSRoundup> I think it is easy to say that submitting hundreds of apps that basically do the same thing is not the right way to go about it
Dec 16 20:37:23 <swisstomcat> maybe not accept them now into the beta catalog
Dec 16 20:37:37 <swisstomcat> wait until you have to pay $50 per app
Dec 16 20:37:39 <webOSRoundup> I think some of this will disappear with the $50 per app
Dec 16 20:37:40 <swisstomcat> that would help
Dec 16 20:37:47 <jfelectron> yes....I think that's their goal
Dec 16 20:37:51 <webOSRoundup> great minds...
Dec 16 20:37:52 <rwhitby> morning
Dec 16 20:38:01 <webOSRoundup> hey rod, you get my email?
Dec 16 20:38:04 <jfelectron> but they have been overly permissive in the early access program
Dec 16 20:38:14 <rwhitby> webOSRoundup: yep, just read it
Dec 16 20:38:16 <webOSRoundup> k
Dec 16 20:38:49 <webOSRoundup> A lot of Brighthouse Labs apps don't sell well
Dec 16 20:39:01 <webOSRoundup> the Dallas Cowboys app has sold about 60 copies
Dec 16 20:39:11 <webOSRoundup> which makes the $50 entrance fee seem steep
Dec 16 20:39:43 <swisstomcat> it's just silly to have one app for every team
Dec 16 20:40:24 <gkatsev> totally, palm should nudge them in that direction.
Dec 16 20:41:12 <jfelectron> ciao
Dec 16 20:42:14 <webOSRoundup> they must make good money though
Dec 16 20:42:20 <webOSRoundup> 3000+ apps on the iphone
Dec 16 20:42:35 <webOSRoundup> that takes dedication right there
Dec 16 20:42:42 <swisstomcat> wow
Dec 16 20:43:53 <yetdog> does JS have a built in md5 hash function?
Dec 16 20:45:49 <CTLAdvance> Think about those bright house apps for the nfl, when we already have the nfl mobile live
Dec 16 20:45:57 <CTLAdvance> for sprint users of course
Dec 16 20:47:40 <yetdog> hmm looks like no built in javascript md5 function?
Dec 16 20:48:07 <webOSRoundup> sure, but BL is thinking longer term with those
Dec 16 20:48:16 <webOSRoundup> verizon people won't have the cool sprint app
Dec 16 20:48:21 <gkatsev> yetdog: yeah, doesnt seem like it
Dec 16 20:48:29 <webOSRoundup> neither will AT&T with the pixi
Dec 16 20:49:17 <yetdog> fyi gkatsev http://www.webtoolkit.info/javascript-md5.html
Dec 16 20:49:35 <gkatsev> yetdog: heh, yep, looking at that right now. :D
Dec 16 20:49:43 <yetdog> guess ill use that :)
Dec 16 20:50:08 <gkatsev> there is also this: http://pajhome.org.uk/crypt/md5/
Dec 16 20:50:28 <gkatsev> yetdog: why not use sha-256?
Dec 16 20:50:35 <gkatsev> http://pajhome.org.uk/crypt/md5/sha256.html
Dec 16 20:50:43 <yetdog> my site login info is based off md5
Dec 16 20:50:53 <gkatsev> ah
Dec 16 20:51:05 <gkatsev> yetdog: upgrade it to use sha256 as well. md5 is broken
Dec 16 20:51:23 <mikewx> gkatsev: i recognize that antenna~
Dec 16 20:52:25 <mikewx> doh that wasn't you was your guide
Dec 16 20:52:44 <gkatsev> lol, yeah, not me
Dec 16 21:12:44 <Bmyers> ping sugardav1. check your email
Dec 16 21:16:41 <ivanst> i'm not clear on one thing about palm yet...
Dec 16 21:16:51 <CTLAdvance> whats that
Dec 16 21:17:04 <ivanst> it's obvious they have a love relationship with their developers, i mean, this thing that they've built is great...
Dec 16 21:17:35 <ivanst> why don't we get to do OTA app installation instead of the app store? what i'm talking about would be something along the lines of blackberry's method...
Dec 16 21:17:45 <ivanst> browse, click a link, download and install a package. ta-daaaa
Dec 16 21:17:59 <CTLAdvance> umm.. thats what the app store is
Dec 16 21:18:01 <CTLAdvance> however
Dec 16 21:18:33 <ivanst> it's not really. at a certain point you will have to pay to get in, as far as i understand it?
Dec 16 21:18:57 <CTLAdvance> We should have a similar method provided by palm, where they will provide alink, however its not in the central app location
Dec 16 21:19:14 <CTLAdvance> yeah so?
Dec 16 21:19:18 <CTLAdvance> you pay once
Dec 16 21:19:33 <CTLAdvance> you have to pay to get on blackberry app store as well
Dec 16 21:20:00 <ivanst> yes, but BB lets you direct link from the browser to your app's package and it installs OTA, without hassle
Dec 16 21:20:02 <ivanst> that's the point
Dec 16 21:20:08 <ivanst> for free apps, that's the killer feature
Dec 16 21:20:12 <rwhitby> ivanst: isn't that Preware?
Dec 16 21:20:18 <gkatsev> isnt that what they are gonna be doing that for OSS apps?
Dec 16 21:20:23 <CTLAdvance> Yeah, palm will do something similar later this month/next
Dec 16 21:20:31 <CTLAdvance> yes gkatsev
Dec 16 21:20:34 <rwhitby> yeah, open source apps waive the $50
Dec 16 21:20:43 <CTLAdvance> but it is not in the app catalog
Dec 16 21:20:53 <gkatsev> and the $99 no? since they said they wont be doing any checking
Dec 16 21:21:23 <CTLAdvance> Yes they will wave the 99 and 50 but you wont be in the app catalog, you will only have a link
Dec 16 21:21:30 <gkatsev> right
Dec 16 21:21:52 <rwhitby> installing from a random URL is a liability issue that I doubt Palm will cross
Dec 16 21:21:56 <CTLAdvance> majority of dlds will come from the catalog so its worth it, but the link will be nice for some
Dec 16 21:21:58 <gkatsev> would be nice if they would create a page that lists those apps.
Dec 16 21:22:17 <CTLAdvance> yeah, but then that would be the same as the app store no :)
Dec 16 21:22:32 <CTLAdvance> I am sure someone will
Dec 16 21:22:46 <gkatsev> i guess, as long as someone aggregates the links.
Dec 16 21:23:21 <CTLAdvance> However, hopefully that wont hurt developer income as that will hurt the platform as a whole
Dec 16 21:23:44 <webOSRoundup> I think it will be great for developers and Palm
Dec 16 21:23:50 <webOSRoundup> imagine you create an awesome game
Dec 16 21:24:03 <webOSRoundup> you can put it both on the catalog and advertise it on your own site
Dec 16 21:24:18 <jfelectron> Does anyone know how the avatars with rounded corners are made in the IM app?
Dec 16 21:24:30 <gkatsev> well, if app catalog items get a url as well, would be cool.
Dec 16 21:24:31 <CTLAdvance> Yeah I agree, but you would need to charge from your site as well
Dec 16 21:24:32 <rwhitby> Palm has already said they will give out links that you can use for advertising
Dec 16 21:24:43 <gkatsev> rwhitby: they have? cool
Dec 16 21:24:55 <rwhitby> but those links will go through Palm servers, I suspect so that they can pull any links which are malware.
Dec 16 21:25:07 <jfelectron> webkit-border-radius can be applied to div backgrounds, but images don't seem to take it
Dec 16 21:25:09 <webOSRoundup> yes, they will
Dec 16 21:25:12 <rwhitby> gkatsev: yeah, listen to the videos of Ben and Dion on the subject.
Dec 16 21:25:13 <webOSRoundup> they said that in a press release
Dec 16 21:25:27 <gkatsev> ah, cool. ive been putting that off, lol
Dec 16 21:26:30 <sugardav1> Bmyers: got it
Dec 16 21:26:40 <dawm_> hey david
Dec 16 21:26:51 <webOSRoundup> hey there!
Dec 16 21:26:52 <Bmyers> SG: k
Dec 16 21:27:09 <dawm_> swap&drop has added everything you said it lacked except a custom theme :P
Dec 16 21:27:17 <webOSRoundup> sweet!
Dec 16 21:27:20 <dawm_> level mode, drag support, animations :D
Dec 16 21:27:28 <webOSRoundup> glad I could be of service
Dec 16 21:27:31 <dawm_> honest reviews ftw!
Dec 16 21:27:36 <sugardave> and while I was out smoking I thought of another brighthouse app family....periodic table elements!
Dec 16 21:27:38 <webOSRoundup> gotta get the theme in there!!
Dec 16 21:27:46 <webOSRoundup> hehe
Dec 16 21:27:55 <webOSRoundup> I was thinking of a list of apps...flowers
Dec 16 21:28:03 <webOSRoundup> each flower gets its own app
Dec 16 21:28:08 <dawm_> yeh ive been working on a few but nothing seems to work out as i planned and just looks stupid
Dec 16 21:28:09 <gkatsev> dawm_: you should add a mode where it uses the accelerometer to find out which way is up/down. so, you could play it landscape.
Dec 16 21:28:22 <CTLAdvance> sugardave - yesterday we decided that they need to make an app based on indivifual phone numbers
Dec 16 21:28:27 <webOSRoundup> there are pictures, and where to find them...each app costs $.99
Dec 16 21:28:36 <sugardave> haha
Dec 16 21:28:40 <webOSRoundup> roses, tulips...
Dec 16 21:28:43 <dawm_> landscape would make the game area alot smaller since the info bars are top and bottom, landscape would shirnk the game piece sizes
Dec 16 21:28:44 <webOSRoundup> I will make a killing!!
Dec 16 21:28:51 <CTLAdvance> then well pass the icount in no time
Dec 16 21:29:02 <webOSRoundup> I could blow Brighthouse right out of the water
Dec 16 21:29:07 <dawm_> what about a speices app (sp?)
Dec 16 21:29:10 <webOSRoundup> how many flowers are there?
Dec 16 21:29:16 <sugardave> Grains of Sand
Dec 16 21:29:16 <webOSRoundup> then I will move onto animals
Dec 16 21:29:24 <rwhitby> webOSRoundup: how about a periodic table app, where each element is in a separate application?
Dec 16 21:29:25 <sugardave> each app is a unique grain of sand
Dec 16 21:29:28 <webOSRoundup> penguins, lions, tigers
Dec 16 21:29:32 <gkatsev> dawm_: no, i mean, keep everything the same but instead of dropping the pieces towards the keyboard, you would drop them down.
Dec 16 21:29:34 <sugardave> rwhitby: that's what I meant
Dec 16 21:29:44 <webOSRoundup> Yes, you could have one with pictures of each element
Dec 16 21:29:53 <webOSRoundup> AU: Gold...pretty
Dec 16 21:29:58 <dawm_> oh i see.. man that would add alot of code :P
Dec 16 21:30:03 <dawm_> theres enough math in there as it is
Dec 16 21:30:07 <webOSRoundup> K: Potassium...bananas...yum!!
Dec 16 21:30:19 <jfelectron> How about an app for each app in the app store? An app to buy another app :)
Dec 16 21:30:30 <jfelectron> just a purchasing wrapper.....
Dec 16 21:30:34 <webOSRoundup> that might take too much code jflectron
Dec 16 21:30:38 <gkatsev> dawm_: heh, would be kind of cool, though. are you keeping source closed?
Dec 16 21:30:40 <webOSRoundup> we don't want to actually have to work
Dec 16 21:30:40 * sugardave imagines the groans of Palm people watching the channel.
Dec 16 21:30:50 <jfelectron> lol yeah....it would take more than a monkey
Dec 16 21:30:53 <dawm_> gkatsev, yeah its real messy heh
Dec 16 21:31:25 <webOSRoundup> The palm people deserve a little nudge nudge about the BL thinkg
Dec 16 21:31:27 <webOSRoundup> err thing
Dec 16 21:31:28 <gkatsev> dawm_: heh, you shouldve seen my code from sophomore year of highschool...
Dec 16 21:31:38 <sugardave> an hourglass app, coupled with the grains of sand apps....got to buy lots of grains of sands app to fill the hourglass
Dec 16 21:31:50 <gkatsev> who made the dictionary apps?
Dec 16 21:31:50 <webOSRoundup> I think they call that pokemon
Dec 16 21:32:08 <rwhitby> gkatsev: make these apps open source, so people can just make slight changes and upload their own versions!  More is better, right? ;-)
Dec 16 21:32:26 <dawm_> gkatsev, like my drag/swipe stuff.. im pretty sure im not supposed to be using some parts of scriptaculous's drag and drop that way, but i am and it works :P
Dec 16 21:32:35 <gkatsev> haha, yeah, a pokemon app where each app is each own pokemon
Dec 16 21:33:00 <gkatsev> dawm_: why are you using scriptaculous? just used to it?
Dec 16 21:33:07 <webOSRoundup> they do that on the DS
Dec 16 21:33:14 <rwhitby> there's gotta be a market in apps that generate other apps, including emailing them to the submission address ...
Dec 16 21:33:17 <dawm_> nope, but mojo.drag wasnt working for me
Dec 16 21:33:40 <gkatsev> dawm_: what about prototype's way itself?
Dec 16 21:33:40 <ambackstrom> i'm making a world of warcraft realm status app. figured i would go with the flow and make all the 100+ realms their own app
Dec 16 21:33:44 <dawm_> my app is my first time playing with jscript
Dec 16 21:33:49 <LoneStar34> what about an a stock ticker app, every ticker symbol has it's own app and there will be different edidtions "nasdaq" "nyse" "mutual funds" "options"  = thousands of apps
Dec 16 21:33:54 <webOSRoundup> oooh good idea ambackstrom
Dec 16 21:33:58 <dawm_> i like easy to use functions, rather than doing it the normal way
Dec 16 21:34:20 <gkatsev> dawm_: ah, ok. then share you code and we could critique it and make it better. you know, like proper OSS apps.
Dec 16 21:35:05 <sugardave> rwhitby: I will be fleshing out my AnyApp framework a bit over the holiday break...basically will let you change the entire app any time you want
Dec 16 21:36:30 <swisstomcat> i have another great idea for my app: each animal has it's own app which shows a picture of it and when you shake the device, you hear the animal sound ... instant profit
Dec 16 21:36:46 <sugardave> completely off-topic and not webOS related:  anybody done anything with UPEK fingerprint readers and/or know where one might be able to "find" the SDK?
Dec 16 21:36:59 <LoneStar34> swisstomcat: that is awesome
Dec 16 21:37:34 <LoneStar34> i want all of the reptiles
Dec 16 21:37:39 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: separate apps for european vs african swallows?
Dec 16 21:37:45 <swisstomcat> there are at least 5416 species of mammals alone
Dec 16 21:37:51 <swisstomcat> and 9956 species of bird
Dec 16 21:37:59 <swisstomcat> and 8240 species of reptiles
Dec 16 21:38:03 <swisstomcat> $$$$$$
Dec 16 21:38:11 <LoneStar34> nice!
Dec 16 21:38:24 <gkatsev> rwhitby: well, itll be 4 different apps. laden and unladed european swallow and laden and unladed african swallow
Dec 16 21:38:49 * swisstomcat goes out to capture sound and picture of all birds
Dec 16 21:38:53 <rwhitby> gkatsev: I didn't realise they made different sounds when laden or unladen, but I like your thinking.
Dec 16 21:39:04 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: chuqui can help you with that ...
Dec 16 21:39:11 * CTLAdvance prepares to make free ad supported buttons of various birds
Dec 16 21:39:15 <swisstomcat> yeah, good idea
Dec 16 21:39:38 <gkatsev> oh, also you can then double all the numbers by releasing $.99 apps and free add supported ones
Dec 16 21:39:48 <swisstomcat> 100'000 apps in no time
Dec 16 21:39:55 <swisstomcat> take that, apple
Dec 16 21:39:57 * CTLAdvance going to make an app for every variety of ant
Dec 16 21:39:59 <sugardave> laden swallows grunt a lot more
Dec 16 21:39:59 <LoneStar34> i asked this before, but got disconnected:  how do i read a querystring  parameter in mojo . PHP would be var = $_GET['var'];
Dec 16 21:40:00 <chuqui> oh, we're still on that, aren't we?
Dec 16 21:40:07 <chuqui> I'm actually writing more on that... stay tuned
Dec 16 21:40:08 <sugardave> chuqui: hehe
Dec 16 21:40:16 <CTLAdvance> morer on what
Dec 16 21:40:17 <rwhitby> I'm thinking of creating an app which removes the advertising from all other apps.  My app will be ad-supported of course ...
Dec 16 21:40:33 <swisstomcat> chuqui: can i ask you questions about all types of birds? :)
Dec 16 21:40:44 <chuqui> sure.
Dec 16 21:40:51 <CTLAdvance> I am thinking of writing an app which will eliminate any person who is trying to eliminate the ads in my ad supported app
Dec 16 21:40:53 <chuqui> how well I can answer it, that we'll see
Dec 16 21:41:04 * sugardave shakes fist at rwhitby.
Dec 16 21:41:20 <swisstomcat> well, i want to write an app for every species of bird with a picture of it and it's sound
Dec 16 21:41:25 * CTLAdvance prepares to eliminate rwhitby for removing ads
Dec 16 21:41:32 <keenstudios> ahoy
Dec 16 21:41:48 <CTLAdvance> hello
Dec 16 21:42:02 <CTLAdvance> jk rwhitby... but seriously
Dec 16 21:42:02 <keenstudios> swisstomcat: I missed whatever you said before that, but is that a dis on brighthouse labs?
Dec 16 21:42:10 * rwhitby is joking - I support developers using whatever means they choose for raising revenue
Dec 16 21:42:20 <swisstomcat> keenstudios: yeah
Dec 16 21:42:29 <keenstudios> yeah
Dec 16 21:42:30 <keenstudios> I hate them
Dec 16 21:42:33 <keenstudios> I hate them very much
Dec 16 21:42:37 * CTLAdvance takes a deep breath....
Dec 16 21:42:39 <keenstudios> I should make Perfect bounce themes
Dec 16 21:42:41 <CTLAdvance> :)
Dec 16 21:42:45 <keenstudios> "Planet Bounce
Dec 16 21:42:49 <keenstudios> Soviet Bounce
Dec 16 21:42:52 <CTLAdvance> Yeah you need like 20 different perfect bounce games
Dec 16 21:42:53 * swisstomcat slap himself with a giant trout
Dec 16 21:42:54 <keenstudios> Girl Bounce
Dec 16 21:42:58 <keenstudios> Boy Bounce
Dec 16 21:43:05 <keenstudios> Moon Bounce
Dec 16 21:43:05 <CTLAdvance> I am makingmy next app
Dec 16 21:43:06 <gkatsev> baby bounce
Dec 16 21:43:06 <Mousey> Androgenous Bounce!
Dec 16 21:43:07 <CTLAdvance> Jiggle
Dec 16 21:43:12 <gkatsev> i mean...
Dec 16 21:43:12 <keenstudios> Chicago Hockey Bounce
Dec 16 21:43:13 <gkatsev> not-baby bounce
Dec 16 21:43:14 <sugardave> here's the deal with BL....I don't mind him/them trying to make a bunch of apps for exposure/money...but it might be nice to limit how many apps they can get in in one day
Dec 16 21:43:15 <Rick_work> This afternoon a developer I work with a lot twittered that he was asked repeatedly why he didn't open source his primary developer tool...
Dec 16 21:43:18 <keenstudios> Baby Bounce
Dec 16 21:43:25 <Rick_work> his reply...   Because food costs money.
Dec 16 21:43:32 <Mousey> Melon Bounce
Dec 16 21:43:50 <keenstudios> Mickey Mouse Bounce
Dec 16 21:43:53 <keenstudios> IE Bounce
Dec 16 21:43:57 <CTLAdvance> sugardave I agree, I have had the same app waiting in an update for 4 days now
Dec 16 21:43:57 <keenstudios> Firefox bounce
Dec 16 21:44:08 <CTLAdvance> Butt Whole Bounce
Dec 16 21:44:11 <Mousey> Planet Bounce
Dec 16 21:44:16 <sugardave> otherwise, high quality applications (like Yule Log ;) get smashed down in the 'recent' list never to be seen again
Dec 16 21:44:17 <gkatsev> safari bounce
Dec 16 21:44:19 <keenstudios> I already said planet bounce
Dec 16 21:44:20 <CTLAdvance> 1/2oz Bounce
Dec 16 21:44:26 <Mousey> Michelob Bounce
Dec 16 21:44:29 <CTLAdvance> 1oz Bounce
Dec 16 21:44:33 <CTLAdvance> Bud Bounce
Dec 16 21:44:36 <gkatsev> sun bounce
Dec 16 21:44:36 <Rick_work> Never use trademarks without permission
Dec 16 21:44:42 <gkatsev> bouncy bounce
Dec 16 21:44:42 <CTLAdvance> Mung Bounce
Dec 16 21:44:43 <Mousey> Atari Bounce
Dec 16 21:44:50 <CTLAdvance> Double Bounce
Dec 16 21:44:53 <CTLAdvance> Mega Bounce
Dec 16 21:44:59 <Mousey> HYPER BOUNC
Dec 16 21:45:00 <dawm_> fudge, i cant remmeber my summit racing acct name
Dec 16 21:45:00 <Mousey> +E
Dec 16 21:45:01 <CTLAdvance> Hoola Bounce
Dec 16 21:45:17 <Rick_work> but you do know you could approach the companies, and get advertising money from them..  "I have this app that plays a game on web based phones that can use your logo.... "
Dec 16 21:45:17 <ambackstrom> 51 rows of "bounce" in my terminal o_O
Dec 16 21:45:27 <Mousey> Terminal Bounce
Dec 16 21:45:32 <Rick_work> Kesne, you should start writing the advertising departments at all those companies......
Dec 16 21:45:35 <CTLAdvance> Bugger Bounce
Dec 16 21:45:35 <gkatsev> bubble bobble bounce
Dec 16 21:45:44 <CTLAdvance> Bing Bong Bounce
Dec 16 21:45:50 <Mousey> Bada Bounce
Dec 16 21:45:51 <rwhitby> I reckon keenstudios and swisstomcat should collaborate, to produce a "Bounce" app for every animal app  ...
Dec 16 21:45:51 <CTLAdvance> Bling Bounce
Dec 16 21:46:07 <swisstomcat> why not?
Dec 16 21:46:08 <gkatsev> baseball bounce
Dec 16 21:46:12 <gkatsev> basketball bounce
Dec 16 21:46:12 <Mousey> Vodka Tonic Bounce
Dec 16 21:46:15 <gkatsev> football bounce
Dec 16 21:46:19 <CTLAdvance> Yo Mama Bounce
Dec 16 21:46:23 <gkatsev> soccerball bounce
Dec 16 21:46:29 <gkatsev> cricketball bounce
Dec 16 21:46:29 <swisstomcat> *it bounce
Dec 16 21:46:31 <Rick_work> cow can, horse can, giraff can, mouse can, cat can,
Dec 16 21:46:34 <gkatsev> volleyball bounce
Dec 16 21:46:39 <Mousey> Terry Cloth Bounce
Dec 16 21:46:40 <gkatsev> rugby ball bounce
Dec 16 21:46:42 <rwhitby> hey, create a Bounce all for every brighthouse sports team!
Dec 16 21:46:48 <Rick_work> OH!!!!
Dec 16 21:46:55 <Mousey> Roman Bounce
Dec 16 21:46:57 <CTLAdvance> Giants Bounce
Dec 16 21:46:58 <Rick_work> Kansas City Soccer Fan Bounce.
Dec 16 21:47:00 <CTLAdvance> Dallas Bounce
Dec 16 21:47:03 <Eguy> rwhitby made an off topic comment?
Dec 16 21:47:05 <CTLAdvance> New England Bounce
Dec 16 21:47:05 <Mousey> Seattle Seahawks Bounce
Dec 16 21:47:07 <swisstomcat> well, i have one app for camel, cow and pib can already
Dec 16 21:47:07 <Rick_work> New Your Soccer fan bounce.
Dec 16 21:47:18 <Mousey> Anime Bounce
Dec 16 21:47:20 <swisstomcat> c/pib/pig
Dec 16 21:47:22 <CTLAdvance> Finger Bounce
Dec 16 21:47:29 <Mousey> Darth Bounce
Dec 16 21:47:32 <swisstomcat> unreleased so far
Dec 16 21:47:35 <Rick_work> swisstomcat you do can's and I'll do jars.
Dec 16 21:47:38 <CTLAdvance> SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS Bounce
Dec 16 21:47:49 <Rick_work> cow jar, pig jar, horse jar.
Dec 16 21:47:51 <CTLAdvance> Bombastic Bounce
Dec 16 21:47:51 <rwhitby> Dead Cat Bounce
Dec 16 21:47:53 <CTLAdvance> Bomber Bounce
Dec 16 21:47:57 <m55> how do you get the total height of the data inside a scroller?
Dec 16 21:47:58 <CTLAdvance> Terror Bounce
Dec 16 21:48:02 <gkatsev> linux badger bounce
Dec 16 21:48:07 <CTLAdvance> TUX Bounce
Dec 16 21:48:11 <gkatsev> mushroom bounce
Dec 16 21:48:11 <Mousey> Badger Badger Badger Badger Bounce
Dec 16 21:48:13 <gkatsev> lsd bounce
Dec 16 21:48:16 <Rick_work> I'll use the snowglobe code to animate the falling horses/pigs/cows as the sound goes
Dec 16 21:48:18 <gkatsev> lcd bounce
Dec 16 21:48:19 <Mousey> gkatsev: good timeing
Dec 16 21:48:23 <gkatsev> snowglobe bounce
Dec 16 21:48:24 <Mousey> CRT Bounce
Dec 16 21:48:27 <Rick_work> WAIT GUYS ...  there was a real question above.
Dec 16 21:48:35 <Rick_work> Hold for a moment please **********************************
Dec 16 21:48:36 <m55> yeah
Dec 16 21:48:43 <gkatsev> lol
Dec 16 21:48:45 <m55> how do you get the total height of the data inside a scroller?
Dec 16 21:48:45 * swisstomcat goes off to work on his app
Dec 16 21:48:49 * keenstudios makes some calls to some companies
Dec 16 21:48:50 <Mousey> Watercooler Bounce
Dec 16 21:48:53 <Eguy> real question?
Dec 16 21:48:57 <Eguy> what does that mean
Dec 16 21:49:15 <m55> scrollerSize just returns the height of the viewport, not how many pixels the data within in it is
Dec 16 21:49:20 <LoneStar34> "ALL YOUR APPS ARE BELONG TO US"
Dec 16 21:49:21 <gkatsev> Eguy: as opposed to a fake question, of course
Dec 16 21:50:17 <Rick_work> m55  scrollers don''t have that information.
Dec 16 21:50:20 <Rick_work> which is "odd"
Dec 16 21:50:28 * rwhitby gets back to the Preware roadmap implementation
Dec 16 21:50:34 <keenstudios> You know what is worse than Brighthouse Labs? CTLAdvance
Dec 16 21:50:42 <sugardave> haha
Dec 16 21:50:46 <Mousey> Scrolllllllllllllllll, Bounce!
Dec 16 21:51:01 <Rick_work> m55  you could do a reveal bottom  then do a get state, then a reveal top
Dec 16 21:51:08 <Rick_work> which would get you the linhs
Dec 16 21:51:23 <Eguy> ouch kesne
Dec 16 21:51:28 <Eguy> that was harsh
Dec 16 21:51:41 <Eguy> coming from a guy who made a "yo dawg" app
Dec 16 21:51:46 <CTLAdvance> Ugh
Dec 16 21:51:54 <CTLAdvance> As IF
Dec 16 21:52:20 <keenstudios> Yo Dawg isnt in the catalog
Dec 16 21:52:24 <keenstudios> It hasnt been submitted
Dec 16 21:52:50 <CTLAdvance> Troll Bounce
Dec 16 21:53:00 <m55> Rick_work: I could, but wouldn't that effect the user experience
Dec 16 21:53:36 <sugardave> m55: you might get a flicker as it does it
Dec 16 21:53:48 <g1bz> anyone particularly experienced with ajax requests? (XHR)
Dec 16 21:54:06 <sugardave> I had to do something similar to get my scroll indicators to show properly on my stats page in Mind Master
Dec 16 21:54:11 <incidentist> g1bz: sure, what's up?
Dec 16 21:54:15 <sugardave> g1bz: how experienced?
Dec 16 21:54:39 <g1bz> well I'm trying to request from a source secured via NTLM
Dec 16 21:54:44 <g1bz> and not suceeding
Dec 16 21:55:02 <g1bz> also, I'm trying with a username with an @ in it, as soon as I put that in it returns status 0
Dec 16 21:55:05 <yetdog> tmw morning will be 4 days and counting on my review :( wtf are they looking for?
Dec 16 21:55:08 <yetdog> simple app too
Dec 16 21:55:11 <g1bz> I wondered if anybody had experienced either of those things
Dec 16 21:55:16 <g1bz> or seen anything regarding it
Dec 16 21:55:46 <keenstudios> @Brighthouselabs
Dec 16 21:55:59 <keenstudios> Let's spam them up
Dec 16 21:56:01 <keenstudios> and their email
Dec 16 21:56:04 <sugardave> yetdog: just because it says 'being reviewed' doesn't mean it actually is :D
Dec 16 21:56:05 <keenstudios> one email for every app
Dec 16 21:56:10 <keenstudios> yetdog!
Dec 16 21:56:19 <incidentist> i don't know anything about NTLM, i'm afraid. i would try urlencoding the @ sign in the username
Dec 16 21:56:30 <g1bz> good idea
Dec 16 21:56:43 <yetdog> no kidding sugardave lol
Dec 16 21:58:01 <sugardave> yetdog: but, what it does mean is they pulled it out of the submission queue, so it's "moving" in the right direction
Dec 16 21:58:45 <yetdog> first time thru was so quick
Dec 16 21:58:50 <yetdog> thats whta frustrates
Dec 16 22:00:33 <sugardave> yetdog: yeah, I know....I needed to update my first app because one of the ball sets had the wrong img links....it took two weeks
Dec 16 22:00:43 <sugardave> I was pulling hair out, chewing fingernails, etc.
Dec 16 22:00:43 <m55> hey i figured it out
Dec 16 22:00:54 <m55> you call scrollerElement.scrollHeight
Dec 16 22:00:59 <yetdog> how quick after approval were you in the store?
Dec 16 22:01:01 <m55> to get the height of the scroller
Dec 16 22:01:12 <sugardave> m55: w00t, put it in the wikis
Dec 16 22:01:28 <sugardave> yetdog: the day it gets approved is when it goes in the catalog
Dec 16 22:01:49 <sugardave> I think
Dec 16 22:01:54 <sugardave> maybe next day?
Dec 16 22:01:56 <m55> theres a getContentSize method in the scroller source code, but they make the method private >.<
Dec 16 22:02:17 <yetdog> well at least thats cool
Dec 16 22:02:22 <yetdog> hopefully it'll happen soon
Dec 16 22:02:38 <webOSRoundup> hey Jordan
Dec 16 22:03:01 * sugardave waits for WebSphere to start again.
Dec 16 22:03:02 <gkatsev> m55: make a patch to make it public. :D
Dec 16 22:03:14 <Eguy> how did the channel get back on topic?
Dec 16 22:03:26 <sugardave> Eguy: blame m55....he asked a real question
Dec 16 22:03:30 <gkatsev> Eguy: Rick_work stopped everything to asnwer m55
Dec 16 22:03:31 <Eguy> bahhh
Dec 16 22:03:39 <gkatsev> laptop bounce
Dec 16 22:03:41 <Eguy> rediclous!
Dec 16 22:03:52 <Eguy> ridiculous*
Dec 16 22:03:52 <m55> what is this bounce thing anyway?
Dec 16 22:03:53 <gkatsev> rediculous bounce
Dec 16 22:04:00 <Eguy> moon bounce
Dec 16 22:04:04 <gkatsev> said already
Dec 16 22:04:08 <gkatsev> ikea bounce
Dec 16 22:04:09 <gkatsev> cat bounce
Dec 16 22:04:10 <Eguy> I muse have missed it
Dec 16 22:04:11 <gkatsev> dog bounce
Dec 16 22:04:14 <Eguy> must*
Dec 16 22:04:19 <Eguy> misspelled bounce
Dec 16 22:04:19 <gkatsev> european swallow bounce
Dec 16 22:04:23 <dawm_> soo.. ive noticed lately app submissions/updates are taking way longer than normal
Dec 16 22:04:25 <gkatsev> african swallow bounce
Dec 16 22:04:34 <Eguy> perverted gkatsev bounce
Dec 16 22:04:34 <dawm_> my 'reviewer' hasnt even opened my app
Dec 16 22:04:52 <gkatsev> perverted eguy bounce
Dec 16 22:04:54 <sugardave> dawm_: I can't tell if mine have due to changes I made in my tracking code
Dec 16 22:05:01 <m55> hey a few days is alot better than the few weeks that you get with apple :(
Dec 16 22:05:05 <Eguy> o rly bounce
Dec 16 22:05:12 <dawm_> sugardave, oh?
Dec 16 22:05:17 <gkatsev> yarly bounce
Dec 16 22:05:22 <Eguy> no wai bounce
Dec 16 22:05:29 <sugardave> I will still need to push one more update to get the version tracking in, but I needed to push the 'don't register an emulator' change first
Dec 16 22:05:38 <sugardave> then wipe my table
Dec 16 22:05:50 <dawm_> yeah that i still need to do, but im gonna do it on my server rather than the app
Dec 16 22:06:09 <Eguy> off topic bounce
Dec 16 22:06:17 <sugardave> I should be done with app-side stuff AFTER my next Yule Log update
Dec 16 22:06:19 <gkatsev> on topic bounce
Dec 16 22:06:25 <gkatsev> everyone should bounce
Dec 16 22:06:33 <dawm_> i plan to work on my tracking app serverside this weekend, so that i dont have to keep looking at the mysql raw data
Dec 16 22:06:34 <Eguy> leave bounce
Dec 16 22:06:43 <chuqui> and I'm at it again...
Dec 16 22:06:44 <chuqui> http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=3859&p=14367#p14367
Dec 16 22:06:46 <sugardave> dawm_: hehe, eventually I will get there
Dec 16 22:07:44 <yetdog> as much as i hate those apps, i do agree with your point chuq
Dec 16 22:07:48 <yetdog> *kiss kiss* lol
Dec 16 22:09:02 <yetdog> chuqui: now just need to get my TWO apps approved after the help scene resubmit ;)
Dec 16 22:09:55 <sugardave> chuqui: yes, good post, and I realize the app per-day limit is a game-able thing...what I'd REALLY like to see is the review team realize "hey, these 50 apps for this ONE developer" are really going to push everyone else down the list today....maybe we should intersperse their entries a little bit."
Dec 16 22:10:06 <Rick_work> chuqi -- well said.
Dec 16 22:10:13 <dawm_> ugh ive got so much on my plate right now heh, gotta finish my site/logo, app tracking, app updates, find a new inet provider for the new temp apartment, continue looking for a house.. what else oh yah xmas.. ugh
Dec 16 22:10:25 <gkatsev> lol, "every time the Big Fruit rejects an app"
Dec 16 22:11:13 <chuqui> hey, I spent a lot of years with Big Fruit. Old habits die hard...
Dec 16 22:11:22 <webOSRoundup> Nice post Chuq
Dec 16 22:11:24 <Eguy> steve jobs is a big fruit
Dec 16 22:11:32 <Eguy> gkatsev: your turn
Dec 16 22:12:04 <webOSRoundup> I figured that is Palm's take on it...I just feel bad for the developer who wants to make a sports app
Dec 16 22:12:20 <webOSRoundup> and now no one can find his app because another developer has 300 different sports apps
Dec 16 22:12:38 <webOSRoundup> or imagine in your scenario, what if you have 3 developers doing that buisness model with wallpapers
Dec 16 22:12:48 <webOSRoundup> you would have 6000 wallpaper apps
Dec 16 22:12:52 <webOSRoundup> that is brutal on the consumer
Dec 16 22:13:00 <dawm_> webOSdev, what about cheats for specific video games
Dec 16 22:13:20 <dawm_> Super Mario Bros 2 - Cheats & Hints
Dec 16 22:13:24 <dawm_> Duck Hunt - Cheats & Hints
Dec 16 22:13:26 <Rick_work> What if you do?  3 devs with FANTASTIC graphics.  -- it's not the apps fault, it's the fault of the app catalog that doesn't provide good filter/search
Dec 16 22:13:26 <keenstudios> Haha
Dec 16 22:13:32 <dawm_> Lemmings - Cheats & Hints
Dec 16 22:13:33 <dawm_> heh
Dec 16 22:13:46 <Rick_work> needs "refine this search within these results."
Dec 16 22:13:53 <Rick_work> and "Search only in titles"
Dec 16 22:14:00 <Rick_work> and "search both titles and descriptions"
Dec 16 22:14:03 <Rick_work> and so forth
Dec 16 22:14:09 <Rick_work> "Search in reviews"
Dec 16 22:14:21 <jfelectron> Quick CSS question: If an <img> has width and height attributes set and I append a class name to the tag, can I override the baked in w and h with CSS properties like height=200px; width=auto?
Dec 16 22:14:29 <gkatsev> advanced search++
Dec 16 22:14:31 <chuqui> we definitely could improve search. that's a big part of solving this set of conflicting issues.
Dec 16 22:14:41 <gkatsev> does it have boolean search?
Dec 16 22:14:42 <Rick_work> That failing, the problem of 6000 sports apps.
Dec 16 22:14:57 <sugardave> jfelectron: not sure if class override will work, since the element will have those styles already
Dec 16 22:15:03 <sugardave> IF I understand CSS inheritance properly
Dec 16 22:15:13 <webOSRoundup> a good search tool would work wonders, but how complex can search be when you are on the phone...
Dec 16 22:15:19 <sugardave> you might have to manually remove those attrs, then add your class
Dec 16 22:15:22 <Rick_work> jfelectron  yes.  with javascript you can override anything
Dec 16 22:15:46 <Rick_work> prototype has a setstyle method.
Dec 16 22:16:17 <gkatsev> you can also do tag.style="css" no?
Dec 16 22:16:18 <chuqui> I'd love to have the problem of 6,000 sports apps. Taht's a GOOD problem to have in the ecosystem.
Dec 16 22:16:37 <webOSRoundup> but from a developer standpoint that is rough
Dec 16 22:16:43 <webOSRoundup> cause your competition is a tidal wave
Dec 16 22:16:49 <chuqui> it sure is a better problem to solve than "nobody gives a damn enough to write apps". Now that problem would be -- a problem. worse, "nobody cares" isn't easily fixed in software.
Dec 16 22:16:51 <jfelectron> setstyle works or just vanilla DOM methods
Dec 16 22:18:09 <jfelectron> actually on an <img> tag the width and height attributes aren't style
Dec 16 22:18:09 <Rick_work> webOSRoundup one solution to the tidel wave is to do weekly updates to your app to keep it near the top.
Dec 16 22:18:20 <Rick_work> jfelectron  they can be
Dec 16 22:18:22 <jfelectron> I think you have use the DOM methods to remove them
Dec 16 22:18:45 <jfelectron> that was my question....whether the CSS style will override the baked in ones
Dec 16 22:19:15 <jfelectron> The simplest thing is to add a class name to all the img tags and use that class to resize the images to a mobile friendly size
Dec 16 22:19:25 <jfelectron> I just wasn't sure if that works
Dec 16 22:19:27 <Rick_work> ahhh  so your question is,  on an img tag if I set non-style height and width, will the css or style tag override the non-style height and width...
Dec 16 22:19:32 <Rick_work> I have no idea
Dec 16 22:19:52 <sugardave> I don't think it will
Dec 16 22:19:53 <Rick_work> jfelectron  bad Idea based on my experiance with snow globe.
Dec 16 22:20:00 <sugardave> but I am definitely NOT the expert in that arena
Dec 16 22:20:24 <jfelectron> Rick_work: bad idea in what sense?
Dec 16 22:20:26 <Rick_work> using css (or directly setting img height and width) to downsize images _substantially_ slows rendering.  As in, by a factor of 10.
Dec 16 22:20:27 <jfelectron> slow?
Dec 16 22:20:38 <Rick_work> Super slow
Dec 16 22:20:38 <webOSRoundup> Rick_work: If you have 500 developers following that tactic, then the top becomes useless
Dec 16 22:20:52 <webOSRoundup> because you would only be there for about 10 second
Dec 16 22:20:58 <Rick_work> webOSdev  thus the apple app cat problem
Dec 16 22:21:04 <jfelectron> if its an image from the web....I don't really have a choice if other size aren't avaiable
Dec 16 22:22:04 <chuqui> if I have 500 developers following taht tactic, then I've succeeded in creating a viable and vibrant platform, and I'll happily figure out how to solve the problems THAT creates.
Dec 16 22:22:07 <Rick_work> jfelectron true.  and hopefully it's not as mucah of a resize as I was having to do to capture camera images
Dec 16 22:22:13 <chuqui> or try.
Dec 16 22:22:31 <gkatsev> everyone create 500 apps stat!
Dec 16 22:22:35 <Rick_work> Chuqi -- there are -two- app catalogs,  saddly combined into one.
Dec 16 22:22:45 <jfelectron> Rick_work: Im working with blog posts....so it really varies
Dec 16 22:22:59 <webOSRoundup> From Palm's perspective, I can understand that these aren't really "problems"
Dec 16 22:23:09 <jfelectron> I guess I could do things on a server....but I don't have those resources at the moment
Dec 16 22:23:12 <Rick_work> There is the app catalog where apps which cost thousands of dollars to develop and have super complex UI's and back end websites supporting them,
Dec 16 22:23:14 <webOSRoundup> from a small team dev house, this can be very rough
Dec 16 22:23:23 <Rick_work> and there are "throwaway" apps.
Dec 16 22:23:48 <Rick_work> how a dev would distinguish between the two app catalogs is "hard" but I suspect that it's on the basis of money.
Dec 16 22:24:09 <m55> You got to realize that these niche apps will not sell well individually, so any standard application will get more downloads and would show up in the top download lists all the time.  They'll float to the top.
Dec 16 22:24:31 <webOSRoundup> good point m55
Dec 16 22:24:35 <Rick_work> Ben and Dion talked early on about auctioning off front-page placement for apps.   Apps which can support themselves through that will be on the front page or high up in the lists.
Dec 16 22:24:39 <yetdog> "top" algorithm has to be a time-based sort
Dec 16 22:25:03 <m55> The niche apps will catch people specifically looking for Mexican Recipes
Dec 16 22:25:04 <chuqui> auctioning is coming
Dec 16 22:25:26 <chuqui> there's actually a LOT of discussion going on about app catalog enhancements. don't assume it will stand still.
Dec 16 22:25:27 <webOSRoundup> the recipies are the one example that truly is niche
Dec 16 22:25:35 <chuqui> but that's all I'll say about that.
Dec 16 22:25:43 <webOSRoundup> but the professional sports teams...not niche
Dec 16 22:25:50 <Rick_work> and splitting the app catalog into "free" "paid" and "premium" where dev's paid $0,  $50  and $200 for listings, would help too.   If you knew you had to make 300 sales to break even, it would restrict the number of apps in the "premium" category.
Dec 16 22:25:57 <Firefishe> m55, you from Michigan, perhap?
Dec 16 22:26:00 <yetdog> thats what excites me most about webOS. an obviously hungry company working for the platform
Dec 16 22:26:14 <m55> But if search is prioritized by popularity, then a general recipes search wont be drowned out
Dec 16 22:26:15 <webOSRoundup> yetdog: agreed
Dec 16 22:26:18 <chuqui> the sports teams really are niche apps, in terms of the aspect of creating theimpulse buy.
Dec 16 22:26:22 <m55> Firefishe: nope, what makes you think that
Dec 16 22:26:49 <webOSRoundup> but it isn't like the Dallas cowboys have 3 fans or something
Dec 16 22:27:07 <m55> webOSRoundup: theres alot of mexicans in the world
Dec 16 22:27:10 <webOSRoundup> if you are writing an app for the Dallas pro soccer team you might convince me
Dec 16 22:27:17 <Rick_work> note that the price of submitting premium apps is something that ought to be dynamically controlled, so that the number of apps in the premium catagory stays under 1000 or something.   :-)  whatever price it takes to accomplish that.
Dec 16 22:27:19 <chuqui> no, but they have fans that'll buy something that's for Dallas Cowboy fans where they might not buy something that's a football app.
Dec 16 22:27:28 <webOSRoundup> possibly
Dec 16 22:27:30 <sugardave> my recipe app is going to kick the collective asses of all those other ones
Dec 16 22:27:34 <chuqui> trust me on that one.
Dec 16 22:27:34 <webOSRoundup> hehe
Dec 16 22:27:35 <Firefishe> m55 is a state highway near where I used to live, is all. Thought your nick might be a tinge-in-cheek reference
Dec 16 22:27:47 <webOSRoundup> I guess I just feel for the little guy
Dec 16 22:27:48 <jfelectron> Rick_work: I've heard language to suggest that it will be dynamic
Dec 16 22:28:04 <webOSRoundup> tough to compete unless we get some serious app catalog advancements
Dec 16 22:28:37 <jfelectron> Rick_work: It could be similar to the 'featured'....which I believe does have a dynamic pricing based on demand
Dec 16 22:29:38 <Rick_work> not yet. jfelectron  right now featured is by request.  Ask your minder, assuming you have sales, and high ranks, you can request featured.
Dec 16 22:29:39 <yetdog> ONE APP PUBLISHED
Dec 16 22:29:41 <chuqui> how does the "little guy" succeed? BUILD THE BETTER APP. Word of mouth kicks butt. But it starts with quality and solving a need.
Dec 16 22:29:41 <yetdog> YESSSS :)
Dec 16 22:30:02 <Rick_work> which reminds me chuqi -- ...
Dec 16 22:30:59 <yetdog> so "Published" in the app status...doesnt necessarily mean its in the app catalog yet?
Dec 16 22:31:34 <Rick_work> means it's submitted to the app cat, but might be a few hours to show up (until the next push, which lately has been daily)
Dec 16 22:31:37 <sugardave> yetdog: should be, if not, then soon
Dec 16 22:31:40 <webOSRoundup> chuqui: Agreed...a good app will find its audience
Dec 16 22:31:50 <yetdog> excellent! :) thanks gang
Dec 16 22:31:58 <webOSRoundup> something about the business model seems sleezy to me...dunno
Dec 16 22:32:21 <webOSRoundup> I think if we have the tools to find the best apps quickly and easily, that may change my opinion
Dec 16 22:33:38 <balrog-kun> is there another way to install a .pem certificate than email it to yourself, set up email somehow and open the attachment?
Dec 16 22:37:06 <chuqui> yeah, rick?
Dec 16 22:37:43 <keenstudios> You know what sucks badly?
Dec 16 22:37:49 <keenstudios> The 50 dollar fee :O
Dec 16 22:38:17 <webOSRoundup> Palm's gotta make their moolah :)
Dec 16 22:39:50 <gkatsev> will also limit that type of business plan to a certain extent
Dec 16 22:40:23 <chuqui> part of creating a set of entry rules is to encourage specific business behaviors...
Dec 16 22:40:33 <chuqui> and then hope you guessed right...
Dec 16 22:41:58 <webOSRoundup> it will be interesting to see what happens with the Brighthouse business model once the per app fees are in place
Dec 16 22:42:02 <webOSRoundup> will it be viable?
Dec 16 22:42:08 <webOSRoundup> time will tell
Dec 16 22:43:23 <linuxjacques> just like email spam would go away if ppl had to pay $0.05 per email
Dec 16 22:43:32 <linuxjacques> or even $0.01
Dec 16 22:43:49 <m55> actually, even $0.000001
Dec 16 22:44:01 <linuxjacques> yeah
Dec 16 22:44:06 <webOSRoundup> shhh the government could be watching
Dec 16 22:44:10 <webOSRoundup> don't give them any ideas
Dec 16 22:44:21 <m55> yeah, money = tracking
Dec 16 22:44:26 <linuxjacques> it's not a new idea
Dec 16 22:45:23 <gkatsev> not viable anyway
Dec 16 22:45:40 <CTLAdvance> You will have an email tax once the post office fails, dont worry
Dec 16 22:45:45 <Eguy> viable bounce
Dec 16 22:45:47 <CTLAdvance> That wont remain free
Dec 16 22:46:28 <CTLAdvance> The sad thing is you will still get spam most likely
Dec 16 22:46:59 <gkatsev> yeah, from spammers who are sending thousands of stuff instead of billions.
Dec 16 22:47:18 <sugardave> but it will be high quality spam...
Dec 16 22:48:01 <gkatsev> is high quality spam really better than plain ol' spam?
Dec 16 22:48:27 <sugardave> I don't know, I guess we'll see :D
Dec 16 22:48:51 <sugardave> going home, see y'all in a bit
Dec 16 22:48:53 <atlanta> Bmyers:
Dec 16 22:49:50 <Bmyers> yo
Dec 16 22:50:22 <yetdog> would need a complete rewrite of smtp to charge per email
Dec 16 22:50:38 <yetdog> good tihng is, spam would disappear. because it would have to come from legit sources
Dec 16 22:50:47 <yetdog> and legit sources can be shut down if they dont behave
Dec 16 22:52:13 <gkatsev> do you get a lot of bacn?
Dec 16 22:52:18 <chuqui> I've been involved in two groups that wanted to rewrite SMTP. It basically can't be done.
Dec 16 22:52:30 <yetdog> chuqui: couldnt you do it parallel?
Dec 16 22:52:32 <chuqui> and pay per email really screws up things in bad ways.
Dec 16 22:52:41 <yetdog> and then have a drop dead mandate to turn up SMTP2?
Dec 16 22:52:59 <chuqui> because the spammers make enough money they'll happily pay, folks. and then they're legit.
Dec 16 22:53:05 <gkatsev> yetdog: not possible, noy anymore
Dec 16 22:53:09 <yetdog> so you have SMTP2, a trusted protocol
Dec 16 22:53:15 <chuqui> you hand over email to big companies and take it away from individuals.
Dec 16 22:53:27 <yetdog> you have mail server admins begin installing it
Dec 16 22:53:35 <chuqui> oh, technically, SMTP2 is pretty easy.
Dec 16 22:53:38 <yetdog> when you send an email, if it can use SMTP2, it does, if not, it says not secure
Dec 16 22:53:40 <chuqui> politics and logistics are a bitch.
Dec 16 22:53:43 <yetdog> oh yeah
Dec 16 22:53:57 <yetdog> basically when the gov't is finally ready, they mandate, or announce, you mus tbe smtp2 etc etc
Dec 16 22:54:00 <yetdog> in 2078 :)
Dec 16 22:54:16 <chuqui> in reality, reputation systems dealing with spam have made the need to replace SMTP go awy.
Dec 16 22:54:31 <chuqui> damn. Late for a meeting. can carry that discussino on later if people want...
Dec 16 22:54:32 <gkatsev> yetdog: ok. US can do that, what about china? the rest of the world?
Dec 16 22:54:37 <gkatsev> sweden?
Dec 16 22:54:46 <atlanta> is the maker of paratrooper on
Dec 16 22:54:48 <yetdog> theres the politics.
Dec 16 22:55:02 <yetdog> ideally it catches on  and spreads fast
Dec 16 22:55:26 <yetdog> one single false positive tho is enough to say reputation/spam scoring is just a bandaid
Dec 16 22:55:26 <webOSRoundup> I love paratrooper!
Dec 16 22:55:34 <yetdog> and wasted serve resources dealing w/ the flood :(
Dec 16 22:55:39 <webOSRoundup> reviewed it last night
Dec 16 22:55:50 <webOSRoundup> good stuff
Dec 16 22:56:34 <yetdog> webos, i can send you my new app if you wanna review it :)
Dec 16 22:56:41 <yetdog> just got "published" lol not in the store yet tho
Dec 16 22:56:47 <webOSRoundup> sweet, send it on!
Dec 16 22:56:51 <webOSRoundup> will add it to the list
Dec 16 22:57:15 <yetdog> :) thanks!
Dec 16 22:57:28 <webOSRoundup> no problem
Dec 16 22:57:35 <webOSRoundup> thanks for sending it
Dec 16 22:57:53 <atlanta> webOSRoundup:  want to review somethign
Dec 16 22:57:56 <yetdog> how do i submit it?
Dec 16 22:58:00 <webOSRoundup> email it to me
Dec 16 22:58:04 <webOSRoundup> david@webosroundup.com
Dec 16 22:58:10 <yetdog> will do :)
Dec 16 22:58:11 <webOSRoundup> I am going to create a form for the site soon
Dec 16 22:58:39 <yetdog> gotta bounce - thanks david, catch everyone later!
Dec 16 22:58:45 <webOSRoundup> see ya
Dec 16 22:58:55 <gkatsev> gotta bounce. another great app by keen-studios
Dec 16 22:59:06 <webOSRoundup> what is?
Dec 16 22:59:13 <gkatsev> lol
Dec 16 22:59:19 <gkatsev> "gotta bounce"
Dec 16 22:59:21 <webOSRoundup> ah
Dec 16 22:59:31 <webOSRoundup> didn't think Jordan made good apps :P
Dec 16 22:59:38 <webOSRoundup> shame he isn't here
Dec 16 22:59:44 <webOSRoundup> that was an easy one
Dec 16 22:59:50 <gkatsev> his home comp is
Dec 16 23:00:00 <webOSRoundup> gotta give him grief
Dec 16 23:00:10 <gkatsev> kesne__: see come on irc and see webOSRoundup 's great burn
Dec 16 23:00:36 <gkatsev> lol, anyway, heading home now
Dec 16 23:00:41 <webOSRoundup> see ya
Dec 16 23:00:49 <gkatsev> bye
Dec 16 23:00:50 <webOSRoundup> I am off as well
Dec 16 23:00:56 <webOSRoundup> nice chatting with y'all
Dec 16 23:02:55 <Mousey> why am i getting "app storage is full" when i have tons of space on every partition?
Dec 16 23:03:48 <atlanta> that they have setr
Dec 16 23:03:54 <atlanta>  /var is over the limit
Dec 16 23:03:56 <atlanta>  that they have set
Dec 16 23:04:59 <Mousey> oh
Dec 16 23:05:57 <atlanta> next update
Dec 16 23:05:59 <atlanta> will resolve the problem
Dec 16 23:06:09 <atlanta> they will be utilizing your 8gb parition
Dec 16 23:06:19 <atlanta> hold tight brother
Dec 16 23:06:31 <Mousey> 50MB of emails ^_^
Dec 16 23:06:34 * Mousey "fixes"
Dec 16 23:06:57 <atlanta> lol maybe i need to delete some of those 2
Dec 16 23:07:36 <Mousey> yes but, when will they fix the only-connects-to-google's-jabber-server problem?
Dec 16 23:08:05 <atlanta> no usre
Dec 16 23:10:22 <Mousey> oh i give up
Dec 16 23:12:27 <dawm_> you could make your own
Dec 16 23:12:37 <dawm_> i know theres a js jabber library
Dec 16 23:12:44 <dawm_> but requires something on the server side
Dec 16 23:12:48 <Mousey> yah, libpurple. same as for pidgin/adium
Dec 16 23:12:56 <dawm_> i meant pure js
Dec 16 23:13:00 <dawm_> rather ajax
Dec 16 23:13:03 <Mousey> oh, no need
Dec 16 23:13:12 <Mousey> it makes more sense to just FIX messaging
Dec 16 23:13:19 <dawm_> well in the meantime :P
Dec 16 23:13:23 <Mousey> it does aim and msn or whatever. hell, it already does gtalk
Dec 16 23:13:43 <Mousey> if it does gtalk, it's an extra scene, and some fields away from doing generic jabber
Dec 16 23:13:55 <Mousey> i'm not a programmer tho.
Dec 16 23:14:02 <Mousey> we!
Dec 16 23:16:33 <atlanta> is there a infobox instead of a error dialog
Dec 16 23:22:15 <dawm_> http://blogs.nitobi.com/ryan/index.php/2009/12/07/phonegap-palm-now-availableg/
Dec 16 23:22:25 <dawm_> i didnt see that pop up on precentral
Dec 16 23:23:31 <noaXess1> hello
Dec 16 23:23:35 <noaXess1> i installed palm mojo sdk.. my system: Linux poseidon 2.6.31-17-generic #54-Ubuntu SMP Thu Dec 10 17:01:44 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
Dec 16 23:23:44 <noaXess1> i can install all what i need.. but after installing palm-novacom i get: start: Unknown job: palm-novacod
Dec 16 23:25:05 <dawm_> yeh
Dec 16 23:25:19 <dawm_> theres soem trickery to get the novacom started on boot
Dec 16 23:25:21 <noaXess1> hey dawm_
Dec 16 23:25:33 <dawm_> ubuntu changed something and the sdk didnt update to reflect that
Dec 16 23:25:39 <noaXess1> ok
Dec 16 23:25:46 <dawm_> lemme find the fix
Dec 16 23:26:11 <samsonjs> atlanta: mojo dialogs are general looking unless you style them otherwise. examples are in stylematters.
Dec 16 23:27:53 <catalystmediastu> Does anyone have some tips for speeding up scrolling? I set up a scroller div with a list inside and it is very choppy and unresponsive. I'm not sure why :S
Dec 16 23:27:54 <catalystmediastu> http://pastie.org/746458
Dec 16 23:28:13 <dawm_> noaXess1, https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=2939&hilit=novacomd
Dec 16 23:28:37 <catalystmediastu> Oh and there are about 20 items total, so not a crazy amount
Dec 16 23:28:53 <noaXess> dawm_: thanks
Dec 16 23:29:31 <chuqui> I love five minute meetings where we all agree and move on...
Dec 16 23:29:39 <dawm_> apparently tho its been fixed in the newest palm-novacom package
Dec 16 23:53:19 <rwhitby> chuqui: well reasoned post regarding apps
Dec 16 23:54:10 <chuqui> thanks.
Dec 16 23:55:30 <rwhitby> as I said yesterday in this channel - the ire should be directed towards the app developer, not towards Palm.
Dec 17 00:01:22 <rwhitby> And we can always do a patch in Preware which allows the end user to hide applications from a certain developer ....
Dec 17 00:02:42 <Mousey> lol
Dec 17 00:12:26 <pandora--> anyone here speak hebrew?
Dec 17 00:15:11 * rwhitby does "rsync -avr root@pre:/usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.findapps/ ." and starts looking around ...
Dec 17 00:19:10 <yetdog> woo! both apps published! :)
Dec 17 00:19:43 <gkatsev> yetdog: what apps?
Dec 17 00:19:50 <yetdog> dmb live setlist and ants tour central
Dec 17 00:19:53 <yetdog> just posted to the catalog
Dec 17 00:20:04 <gkatsev> cool, congrats
Dec 17 00:22:01 <yetdog> thanks :)
Dec 17 00:22:08 <yetdog> how often are download counts updated? (have the patch)
Dec 17 00:22:55 <gkatsev> yetdog: is dmb live setlist basically theants tour central lite?
Dec 17 00:23:06 <yetdog> dmb live setlist is the current (if they are playing) show
Dec 17 00:23:19 <gkatsev> ah, ok
Dec 17 00:23:22 <yetdog> and it uses banners to notify of new song
Dec 17 00:23:27 <yetdog> and shows you the live running setlist
Dec 17 00:24:28 <yetdog> lol im gonna be checking the downloads count constantly
Dec 17 00:31:05 <dawm_> yetdog, they are updated as they are downloaded heh
Dec 17 00:31:11 <dawm_> any other way would be pointless
Dec 17 00:31:51 <yetdog> nice, wasnt sure if it was a daily batch, etc
Dec 17 00:32:11 <dawm_> nah i check throughout the day and it changes for the most part
Dec 17 00:32:25 <dawm_> so i'll assume as each d/l it updates
Dec 17 00:33:41 <yetdog> do they take reviews down while they are updating the catalog?
Dec 17 00:33:47 <yetdog> or should i say, do they take the ability to review down
Dec 17 00:46:49 <debilater> a short question: how can I make an item in a list untappable (other items are tappable and show a new scene)?
Dec 17 00:49:43 <reality9110> debilater: Do you have some way to identify the item in the list?
Dec 17 00:49:53 <reality9110> An item in the array, perhaps
Dec 17 00:49:57 <debilater> reality9110: yes, it's the last one
Dec 17 00:50:20 <reality9110> I mean is there an array item that you can use
Dec 17 00:50:26 <debilater> yes
Dec 17 00:50:26 <reality9110> Such as a label
Dec 17 00:50:39 <reality9110> Ok.  What's the model for it?
Dec 17 00:50:51 <reality9110> Or array name
Dec 17 00:51:24 <reality9110> like category_items or list_items
Dec 17 00:51:55 <debilater> just items
Dec 17 00:52:19 <reality9110> Ok.  How about we just make this easy and you post the code?
Dec 17 00:52:24 <reality9110> webos.pastebin.com
Dec 17 00:52:35 <debilater> momplz
Dec 17 00:52:52 <jfelectron> debalitater: just have the onTop handler check some property and either respond or not
Dec 17 00:52:56 <jfelectron> onTap
Dec 17 00:52:58 <jfelectron> rather
Dec 17 00:53:19 <jfelectron> not as visually clean I guess though
Dec 17 00:53:21 <reality9110> jfelectron: It's easier if you just handle it in the Ontap
Dec 17 00:53:28 <jfelectron> that's what I mean
Dec 17 00:53:44 <jfelectron> OnTap gets called and just check some property of the item
Dec 17 00:53:49 <reality9110> Yeah, that's what I'm about to tell him how to do
Dec 17 00:53:55 <jfelectron> respond or not based on that property
Dec 17 00:54:03 <jfelectron> Ok, sounds good
Dec 17 00:54:23 <reality9110> Easier to just write the code for a person and then they can just follow what's going on
Dec 17 00:55:07 <debilater> http://webos.pastebin.com/d4b24b618
Dec 17 00:55:18 <reality9110> Few minutes...
Dec 17 00:56:03 <kesne> ahoy
Dec 17 00:56:48 <debilater> ahm, error: the items are not filled in InterfaceHistory(), it's another function, just ignore the comment ...
Dec 17 00:58:15 <debilater> arg, and inside the loop "IsInterface" must be true, it's really late...
Dec 17 00:59:42 <debilater> so, if IsInterface is false it should not be tappable
Dec 17 01:00:00 <Bmyers> what is this.listModel.LastUpdate = json.lastupdate; ?
Dec 17 01:00:03 <reality9110> debilater: That's some pretty...sloppy code.  But, meh
Dec 17 01:00:21 <debilater> mBmyers: comes from an ext. json source, just a date
Dec 17 01:01:20 <reality9110> debilater: Where exactly are you handling the pushScenes?
Dec 17 01:03:08 <debilater> reality9110: ok, here is it complete http://webos.pastebin.com/d7dca30c9
Dec 17 01:03:14 <yetdog> quick app catalog Q: do they disable ability to review when they update the catalog?
Dec 17 01:03:43 <yetdog> and, how often are d/l counts updated?
Dec 17 01:04:14 <yetdog> every time i try to review an app, it tells me app catalog unavailable, try again later
Dec 17 01:04:23 <yetdog> and i cant navigate back so i have to close it out
Dec 17 01:06:54 <reality9110> debilater: http://webos.pastebin.com/d96ef48a
Dec 17 01:06:56 <reality9110> Try that out
Dec 17 01:07:11 <reality9110> yetdog: I have the same problem
Dec 17 01:07:33 <yetdog> bummer :( al the time reality9110 ?
Dec 17 01:08:07 <reality9110> Yeah
Dec 17 01:09:06 <yetdog> download counts updated hourly?
Dec 17 01:09:22 <reality9110> Something like that
Dec 17 01:10:03 <debilater> reality9110: the last item.push with that IsInterface = false misses the {} ...
Dec 17 01:10:06 <yetdog> thanks :)
Dec 17 01:10:29 <debilater> so where could i check for the flag?
Dec 17 01:13:03 <reality9110> debilater: You can push that as well.
Dec 17 01:13:09 <reality9110> You don't have to actually display it
Dec 17 01:13:16 <rwhitby> does anyone know how to run the java executable on the Pre in debug mode, and connect to it via Eclipse?
Dec 17 01:13:55 <debilater> reality9110: i don't understand :)
Dec 17 01:14:00 <rwhitby> (I'm not talking about the V8 debug executable that's already there, however if you know how to get Eclipse to talk to it as well I'm interested)
Dec 17 01:14:10 <reality9110> debilater: Push IsInterface to the list items as well
Dec 17 01:14:15 <pandora--> mmmmm V8
Dec 17 01:14:18 <bpadalino> you want to connect jdb over a socket to their jvm ?
Dec 17 01:14:23 <pandora--> i totally want one of those now
Dec 17 01:14:27 <rwhitby> bpadalino: yep
Dec 17 01:14:33 <debilater> reality9110: yes but then it is tappable
Dec 17 01:14:34 <bpadalino> debug the package manager service ?
Dec 17 01:14:39 <rwhitby> bpadalino: to debug java services
Dec 17 01:14:46 <rwhitby> (in general)
Dec 17 01:15:06 <reality9110> debilater: How? You're excluding it from the OnTap call
Dec 17 01:15:34 <rwhitby> bpadalino: e.g. the one which is stopping my GSM Pre from being able to see the majority of the app catalog
Dec 17 01:15:39 <bpadalino> heh
Dec 17 01:16:01 <bpadalino> i am pretty positive you need to use more static/class oriented lists ..
Dec 17 01:16:10 <bpadalino> but i am not sure if their jvm supports it ..
Dec 17 01:16:19 <rwhitby> but let's just say for argument's sake that I'm debugging ipkgservice ;-)
Dec 17 01:16:25 <bpadalino> but here is a decent tutorial i think: http://docs.sun.com/source/819-0079/dgdebug.html
Dec 17 01:16:59 <rwhitby> bpadalino: yeah, that corresponds with another page I'm reading
Dec 17 01:17:00 <debilater> reality9110: ok, but i don't know how to exclude it
Dec 17 01:17:06 <bpadalino> is port 9009 listening on the pre ?
Dec 17 01:17:27 <reality9110> debilater: Exclude it from the actual list or exclude it from being tapped?
Dec 17 01:17:35 <bpadalino> i wonder if you connect via usbnet if you can connect to that pre's port appropriately
Dec 17 01:17:50 <debilater> reality9110: from being tapped
Dec 17 01:18:14 <reality9110> debilater: Look at what I wrote in the OnTap command
Dec 17 01:18:29 <reality9110> debilater: It returns nothing for the tap event if the IsInterface = false
Dec 17 01:18:40 <reality9110> else, it handles the push
Dec 17 01:19:06 <rwhitby> bpadalino: I can ssh port forward, no problems
Dec 17 01:19:15 <bpadalino> ah excellent
Dec 17 01:20:17 <debilater> reality9110: where did you wrote that?
Dec 17 01:21:38 <reality9110> debilater: http://webos.pastebin.com/d96ef48a  InterfaceHistory
Dec 17 01:22:21 <debilater> reality9110: ah, I see!
Dec 17 01:22:34 <debilater> reality9110: damn so simple :)
Dec 17 01:23:42 <debilater> reality9110: thanks a lot
Dec 17 01:26:40 <debilater> bye
Dec 17 01:26:44 <reality9110> No problem
Dec 17 01:41:19 <haeffb> reality9110: no response from radio station or liquid compass.
Dec 17 01:55:46 <atlanta> any body messed with audio within an app
Dec 17 01:56:19 <atlanta> i created an audio extend and
Dec 17 01:56:23 <edektor> atlanta: yes
Dec 17 01:56:26 <atlanta> when i hang up from a phone call
Dec 17 01:56:31 <atlanta> it plays the audio
Dec 17 01:56:41 <atlanta>  without even interacting with my app
Dec 17 01:57:03 <atlanta> Bmyers: can vouch lol
Dec 17 01:57:14 <Bmyers> its goofy
Dec 17 01:58:42 <atlanta> edektor: ever had that problem
Dec 17 01:58:42 <atlanta> ?
Dec 17 01:58:49 <edektor> try {yourAudioObjName}.palm.setAutoResumeOnCallEnd(false)
Dec 17 01:59:49 <atlanta> hahahahah
Dec 17 02:00:02 <edektor> but out have to set the audio class as  Media.AudioClass.MEDIA first
Dec 17 02:00:03 <atlanta> is that really an call
Dec 17 02:00:05 <atlanta> thats crazy
Dec 17 02:00:12 <edektor> yeah
Dec 17 02:00:18 <atlanta> edektor: http://pastie.org/746593
Dec 17 02:00:25 <atlanta> do i need to call anything to stop the audio?
Dec 17 02:00:29 <atlanta> or that should do it
Dec 17 02:01:22 <edektor> http://pastie.org/746609
Dec 17 02:01:27 <edektor> I'm not sure.
Dec 17 02:01:47 <edektor> What your saying is that it starts playing when you hang up a call
Dec 17 02:01:55 <edektor> or does it resume playing?
Dec 17 02:03:53 <atlanta> well its a short clip so its not resuming it should be done
Dec 17 02:04:00 <LoneStar34> `morning everyone
Dec 17 02:04:34 <edektor> well yeah that should work.
Dec 17 02:04:39 <edektor> does it?
Dec 17 02:05:18 <atlanta> imma test it one sec
Dec 17 02:08:00 <Bmyers_away> hey sugardave
Dec 17 02:09:25 <jfelectron> LoneStar43: did you solve your query string problem from this morning?
Dec 17 02:10:55 <sugardave> Bmyers_away: hey, looking at your new version
Dec 17 02:11:03 <LoneStar34> jfelectron: yes  "invanst" helped me figure it out
Dec 17 02:11:28 <LoneStar34> but now not sure about another issue
Dec 17 02:11:32 <Bmyers_away> l
Dec 17 02:11:34 <jfelectron> good....I replied but you had already left :/
Dec 17 02:12:01 <edektor> atlanta: so.. It work?
Dec 17 02:13:20 <LoneStar34> oh thanks,  u have had spotty wifi foe the pst 24 hours
Dec 17 02:14:04 <LoneStar34> sorry I have had spotty wifi for the past 24 hours
Dec 17 02:14:11 <LoneStar34> just waking up from a nap
Dec 17 02:16:40 <haeffb> Is there a way to get a view menu to automagically span the width of the screen when I rotate to landscape? Or do I have to respond to accelerometer events?
Dec 17 02:17:35 <Bmyers_away> it should just do it..
Dec 17 02:18:43 <haeffb> I must have something in the code somewhere that's setting the width.
Dec 17 02:18:58 * haeffb going spelunking
Dec 17 02:19:30 <Bmyers_away> did u put in the code to recognize landscape?
Dec 17 02:20:02 <haeffb> yeah, in the scene assistant.
Dec 17 02:20:11 <Bmyers_away> and that works?
Dec 17 02:20:22 <haeffb> this.controller.stageController.setWindowOrientation("free");
Dec 17 02:20:24 <haeffb> works.
Dec 17 02:20:31 <Bmyers_away> yeah that..
Dec 17 02:20:54 <Bmyers_away> and you're really really sure you're not contraining the page width in your css somehow?
Dec 17 02:22:14 <Bmyers_away> i have the same setup with a view menu, it just goes back and forth from landscape to portrait without issue
Dec 17 02:22:40 <haeffb> no, but I used a group in the view menu with a set width of the center item in the group to get the group to span the entire screen.
Dec 17 02:23:03 <haeffb> so, looks like if I want it to work in landscape, I have to handle the accel event and change the width of the center item.
Dec 17 02:23:15 <Bmyers_away> o.
Dec 17 02:23:23 <Bmyers_away> could be yeah..
Dec 17 02:23:36 <Bmyers_away> use a percentage if you can
Dec 17 02:23:42 <Bmyers_away> 50 % ?
Dec 17 02:23:56 <Bmyers_away> i dunno if that would work with what you have going.
Dec 17 02:23:57 <LoneStar34> anyone one know how to process  parameters (values) from a querystring in mojo?
Dec 17 02:24:24 <FoxFireX> Query string?  Mean from a URL?
Dec 17 02:24:25 <jfelectron> LS34: process?
Dec 17 02:24:57 <haeffb> "specifies the width in pixels of this menuitem"
Dec 17 02:25:04 <jfelectron> are you already using toQueryParams() ?
Dec 17 02:25:14 <haeffb> tried making the width 600 - looks UGLY
Dec 17 02:25:28 <atlanta> edektor: thank you sir
Dec 17 02:25:29 <atlanta> it worked
Dec 17 02:25:35 <edektor> np
Dec 17 02:25:39 <jfelectron> LS34: so that you're getting an object with all the query string params as properties.....
Dec 17 02:26:14 <haeffb> yep, gonna have to set the width explicitly for portrait vs landscape
Dec 17 02:26:50 <haeffb> or just ignore the fact that landscape isn't 100% perfect
Dec 17 02:28:02 <jfelectron> haefb: why do you have to explicitly set it?
Dec 17 02:28:25 <LoneStar34> FoxFireX: yes form a URL
Dec 17 02:28:26 <LoneStar34>  
Dec 17 02:28:28 <LoneStar34> form
Dec 17 02:29:01 <jfelectron> haeffb: Just set all elements up such that they have widths as percentage s
Dec 17 02:29:13 <haeffb> because I want a the view menu to be a group and want the group to span the entire width of the screen.
Dec 17 02:29:19 <jfelectron> LoneStar34: can you give us an example string?
Dec 17 02:29:20 <FoxFireX> So is this the URL of the page you're running in, or just an arbitrary URL string you've gotten from somewhere else?  (Just trying to figure out the environment here.)
Dec 17 02:30:53 <jfelectron> FFX: the context shouldn't really matter...I assume wherever its coming from LS34 has the string ready to process
Dec 17 02:31:19 <LoneStar34> Running an ajax pagination system, which needs to collect the current start values of the qstring then continuously change the starting point
Dec 17 02:31:32 <FoxFireX> Well, I'm just figuring that if it's of the page itself, there may be shortcuts.  If it's not, pretty much gotta do it by hand.
Dec 17 02:31:44 <haeffb> want the view menu to look like this:  http://www.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/agenda
Dec 17 02:32:15 <FoxFireX> If you know the parameters you're looking for, see if this does the trick: http://www.netlobo.com/url_query_string_javascript.html
Dec 17 02:32:38 <jfelectron> FFX: the prototype string class has a toQueryParams() method
Dec 17 02:32:57 <jfelectron> that parses the query string and returns an object
Dec 17 02:32:58 <LoneStar34> http://www.buildasearch.com/api/v1/json/json_Parser.php?e=' + this.model.value + '&start=' + this.model.value
Dec 17 02:33:10 <FoxFireX> Not too familiar with Prototype; all sorts of goodies I know nothing of. :)
Dec 17 02:33:31 <jfelectron> http://www.prototypejs.org/api/string/toQueryParams
Dec 17 02:34:25 <FoxFireX> Wonder if that includes URL decoding...
Dec 17 02:34:36 <jfelectron> no...there is a separate method for that
Dec 17 02:36:46 <FoxFireX> Eh, well there you go then.  Use those and you should get what you need. :)
Dec 17 02:36:47 <jfelectron> decodeURIcomponent.....http://www.w3schools.com/jsref/jsref_decodeURIComponent.asp
Dec 17 02:37:23 <jfelectron> decodeURI component is POJS....not even Ptype
Dec 17 02:38:09 <sugardave> Bmyers_away: email sent
Dec 17 02:38:15 <atlanta> sugardave: wsup
Dec 17 02:38:29 <sugardave> atlanta: not a whole lot...had to do real work today
Dec 17 02:38:30 <sugardave> b
Dec 17 02:38:30 <sugardave> o
Dec 17 02:38:31 <sugardave> g
Dec 17 02:38:31 <sugardave> u
Dec 17 02:38:33 <sugardave> s
Dec 17 02:39:13 <atlanta> sugardave: lol i feel you
Dec 17 02:39:20 <atlanta> they was redoing electrical at my job
Dec 17 02:39:21 <atlanta> so fun for me todeya
Dec 17 02:39:42 <sugardave> nice...I have to go in again tomorrow, then I should be clear until the beginning of the new year
Dec 17 02:46:49 * FoxFireX is having a, what now, fifth?  sixth? teleconference to discuss project requirements tomorrow.  Bear in mind, design review was yesterday, and implementation is already 75% done.  And acceptance testing is the third week of January.  But no, the requirements need to be rediscussed some more.
Dec 17 02:47:09 <haeffb> how to remove "truncating-text" class from row template based on user prefs?
Dec 17 02:47:32 <FoxFireX> Make two templates and select the template applied based on the pref?
Dec 17 02:47:34 <Bmyers_away> addremoveclass ?
Dec 17 02:48:31 <Bmyers_away> addclassname removeclassname
Dec 17 02:48:48 <Bmyers_away> prototype
Dec 17 02:49:19 <haeffb> FoxFireX's method sounds simpler. But I can't change the template after setup()... hmmm....
Dec 17 02:49:35 <FoxFireX> Doesn't that assume direct access to the node, though?  If it's part of a list, you'd have to apply to each row of the list.
Dec 17 02:49:40 <sugardave> FoxFireX: something NEW is required
Dec 17 02:49:51 <FoxFireX> sugardave: A brain?
Dec 17 02:50:08 <sugardave> surely one brain could be scraped together from the lot?
Dec 17 02:50:29 <sugardave> what about an ice cream scoop?
Dec 17 02:50:46 <FoxFireX> You might be able to scrape together an ice cream scoop from the lot, yeah.
Dec 17 02:51:15 <sugardave> heh
Dec 17 02:54:58 <FoxFireX> Ah! haeffb, maybe you should set up the CSS selector that applies truncating-text to be based on whatever row class you're using, when it's a child (however many levels deep) of a div with another specified class?
Dec 17 02:55:11 <FoxFireX> Then, based on user preference, you apply or remove the class to that outer container object?
Dec 17 02:55:29 <FoxFireX> Can change that whenever you need without repeating the setup.
Dec 17 02:59:25 <haeffb> I thought about just adding a property to the listModel.items that says "truncating-text" or "" and then using that in the template. Should work.
Dec 17 02:59:53 <FoxFireX> Not bad.
Dec 17 02:59:56 <Bmyers_away> write it in the list
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