**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 31 02:59:57 2009 Dec 31 03:21:08 Rick_work: I think i remember you asking the other day about how to catch a cmd in handlecmd in the app-assistant but call a method from that scene-assistant or another one. Dec 31 03:24:28 stageController.delegateToSceneAssistant("MethodtoCall", param, param); Dec 31 03:25:24 Bmyers: That's good to see. I didn't have luck with that, I did it another way. Dec 31 03:26:04 that's exactly what I needed Bmyers Dec 31 03:26:08 and could NOT find Dec 31 03:29:39 You did see the code on webos101.com for finding the current scene's assistant, tho, right? Dec 31 03:30:45 var currentScene = this.controller.activeScene(); Dec 31 03:30:45 var sceneAssistant = currentScene.assistant; Dec 31 03:30:51 How are the default stage names formed for stages that you do not name yourself? For example a the stage of a scene I added via palm-generate? I want to call getStageController and for some reason I can't figure out the stage name. Dec 31 03:31:47 sorry i didnt have an answer for you sooner but only just needed it.. Dec 31 03:32:10 i did it like this Roy: Dec 31 03:32:12 var appc = Mojo.Controller.getAppController(); var stageController = appc.getActiveStageController(); var currentScene = stageController.activeScene(); Dec 31 03:35:04 jetsfandb_: no idea. Dec 31 03:35:18 jetsfandb_: Put it on webos101.com when you find out! Dec 31 03:35:43 Bmyers: yeah, those are the first two steps to mine Dec 31 03:37:04 Roy: do you have ads or plan on putting ads in your website? Dec 31 03:38:23 OK, back to random guessing then. Dec 31 03:39:17 Has anyone noticed that if you dial a contact's number with the wrong area code, the contact still is listed as the recipient of the call? Dec 31 03:40:51 jetsfandb_: multistage app? Dec 31 03:40:54 jetsfan: do you need the stagecontroller of a specific stage of just the activestage? Dec 31 03:43:57 OK, I think I just realized that I've been thinking about this all wrong. Many thanks for the responses. I should have been looking for a scene and not a stage. Dec 31 03:44:10 ah.. Dec 31 03:49:08 Bmyers: On webos101.com? Dec 31 03:49:13 No ads there. Dec 31 03:49:34 plan on adding ads in the future? Dec 31 03:49:48 Dunno. Not sure if it'd make sense for that site. Dec 31 03:50:16 just curious. Dec 31 03:55:39 well darn Dec 31 03:55:44 jetsfandb left Dec 31 03:55:56 I hate it when they pop in, ask a question and don't hang around at all. Dec 31 03:56:07 rick_home: i think that was his ghost/clone Dec 31 03:56:28 oh nm, both gone lol Dec 31 03:56:39 nodnod Dec 31 03:56:55 it actually is an interesting question, what is the name of the default stage? Dec 31 04:07:39 Rick: main Dec 31 04:08:53 bmyers -- where did you find that? Dec 31 04:09:39 btw Bmyers you're VERY good at this research stuff Dec 31 04:11:21 if i was good at the research stuff, I'd be able to tell you where i saw it.. Dec 31 04:12:57 grrr dynamcally applying the .src on a http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1627 Dec 31 04:13:19 If there is no Stage Assistant, or if the stage assistant does not push an initial scene, then the framework looks for a scene named main to push as the first scene. Dec 31 04:13:56 thats default stage.. Dec 31 04:14:06 thats default SCENE... Dec 31 04:16:36 atlanta: then dont do that... :) Dec 31 04:17:16 i know Dec 31 04:17:26 but then the app loses functionaliy Dec 31 04:18:44 hi Dec 31 04:18:55 it slows it down ALOTTTT Dec 31 04:18:55 grrr Dec 31 04:19:26 anytuts on imageview Dec 31 04:22:26 wheres the link to report bugs Dec 31 04:29:04 YES I FIXED THE LAG ISUE Dec 31 04:29:06 POWWW Dec 31 04:29:33 atlanta: just turn turbo on Dec 31 04:29:47 duh Dec 31 04:30:16 lol yea i forgot about that flag Dec 31 04:30:17 lol Dec 31 04:30:59 Bmyers: ping Dec 31 04:31:45 the default stage actually has no name. Unless the bug has been fixed in 1.3.5 Dec 31 04:32:00 atlanta: what was your issue? just curious Dec 31 04:32:38 ok i had a blank Dec 31 04:32:48 and in javascript i would update the .src using code Dec 31 04:32:51 after that happened Dec 31 04:32:55 it slowed down my app Dec 31 04:32:58 typing all that stuff Dec 31 04:33:50 oops, the default stage name is "" http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=3097&p=11737#p11737 Dec 31 04:35:42 jbjoerk: the issue only occurs when the image is on top of the text box its wierd Dec 31 04:36:21 anybody wanna help me with the imageview Dec 31 04:36:46 * jbjoerk just got rid of his imageview and doing it by hand instead :/ Dec 31 04:36:52 atlanta: what's the issue with it? Dec 31 04:37:39 it literally brings my app to an almost halt Dec 31 04:38:00 jbjoerk: u in US? Dec 31 04:39:07 atlanta: yeah currently Dec 31 04:39:23 jbjoerk: wanna test it out and see what i mean Dec 31 04:40:07 its in the catalog Dec 31 04:40:28 atlanta: sure, pm me Dec 31 04:40:43 its in the app catalog Dec 31 04:40:48 go to recent Dec 31 04:40:49 look for picture tweet Dec 31 04:42:19 it literally killingme Dec 31 04:45:32 how is webosSchool access the app catalog data? Dec 31 04:45:38 accessing* Dec 31 04:46:27 anyone familiar with execCommand for user editable content ...aka WYSIWYG? Dec 31 04:47:20 edektor they stole the code from the app catalog app Dec 31 04:47:47 Did palm say we would have access to that data sooner or later Dec 31 04:47:54 edektor: I've been wondering that too. I'm assuming they've just patched the findapps javascript to dump out information on a pre, and then transferring that to a desktop. I'm assuming they haven't made a desktop masquerade as a Pre using the auth tokens from Pre. Dec 31 04:49:03 So they have no affiliation with palm? Dec 31 04:49:50 not that I know of, but I wouldn't know if they did. Dec 31 04:50:13 atalant: I helped yetdog with imageview earlier Dec 31 04:50:37 http://github.com/dalmaer/palm-run this look great! Dec 31 04:51:33 oh nice Dec 31 04:52:50 It would really be cool if I could get downloads counts of my apps straight on my desktop Dec 31 04:53:07 and revenue and such Dec 31 04:54:49 edektor rwhitby per rob they took the app catalog and basically took the ajax and do a dump once a day that populates the site. Dec 31 04:55:11 edektor - those download counts include updates Dec 31 04:55:17 I know Dec 31 04:55:28 so you will have duplicate downloads not individual purchases Dec 31 04:55:48 I know.. Do you know how they are calculating the revenue Dec 31 04:55:57 CTLAdvance: so they must be spoofing authentication tokens from a real Pre to do taht Dec 31 05:00:44 that I am not sure of Dec 31 05:01:03 edektor its based on the downloads, so it is not accurate Dec 31 05:01:18 unless you have no updates Dec 31 05:01:23 but even then Dec 31 05:09:35 i was wondering if anyone has done .. custom alerts? Dec 31 05:09:40 alertdialogs that is Dec 31 05:11:30 thecleanmachine: ipkgservice has one Dec 31 05:11:44 showdialog that is Dec 31 05:11:51 doe sit have that? Dec 31 05:12:46 is there a way to get data back from showdialog? Dec 31 05:14:02 thecleanmachine there's several ways Dec 31 05:14:16 the simplest is just to have the dialog update a global object of some sort. Dec 31 05:14:23 before it closes itself Dec 31 05:14:56 oh, how do you create global variables? .. in fact, can you reference a variable in another scene controller somehow? Dec 31 05:15:46 you can if the other scene's assistant is in existance... if you pushed, and didn't swap Dec 31 05:16:08 how do you reference it? Dec 31 05:16:12 can you give me an example Dec 31 05:16:30 what I do is, I always create a global object. Dec 31 05:16:42 oh.. how do you create a global object? Dec 31 05:16:45 hi all! Dec 31 05:16:46 you create a global object outside of any function, you can do it in your stage assistant. Dec 31 05:17:01 just do var global = {} Dec 31 05:17:09 hi jenp Dec 31 05:17:16 then you can do global.passedthing = something; Dec 31 05:17:20 and it is Dec 31 05:17:42 hi haeffb! Dec 31 05:18:30 JenP did you get it working? or send me your latest? and I'll get it working???? Dec 31 05:18:53 didn't get it working :-( i'll send you the latest Dec 31 05:19:08 I will then Dec 31 05:19:11 before I go to bed Dec 31 05:19:24 i'm starting to think i insulted JS in some former life Dec 31 05:19:42 it's snowing again. Dec 31 05:19:50 with showdialog Dec 31 05:19:53 like Dec 31 05:19:55 when you push a scene Dec 31 05:20:01 is there a way to get a response Dec 31 05:20:01 the var global={} has to be outside any other function Dec 31 05:20:08 so it does Dec 31 05:20:26 just trying to clarify Dec 31 05:20:37 but once you do that, you have a global object you can stash things in Dec 31 05:20:40 which is handy Dec 31 05:20:46 so Dec 31 05:20:47 you have to do Dec 31 05:20:50 var global={} Dec 31 05:20:53 so it is Dec 31 05:20:59 without cluttering up space with a bunch of random var's in global context Dec 31 05:21:46 k rick it's in the mail Dec 31 05:21:51 k cool Dec 31 05:21:59 i was wondering Dec 31 05:22:02 if anyone has experience Dec 31 05:22:10 doing the following Dec 31 05:22:14 based on a list item that is pressed Dec 31 05:22:21 i want to dynamically ask user diffrent type of input Dec 31 05:22:42 for instance, free form text or multichoice items .. or a yes/no answer Dec 31 05:22:48 * zsoc reminds everyone "Enter" is not punctuation Dec 31 05:22:48 ok Dec 31 05:22:50 is the best way to do this .. via different showdialogs? Dec 31 05:23:11 zsoc: sorry Dec 31 05:23:34 thecleanmachine the best way to do it depends on what you're trying to accomplish and what your needs are. But without any details, I would guess the answer is "yes" different dialogs are appropriate. Dec 31 05:23:51 and zsoc --- ppppptpttttttppppppphhhhhttttt........ Dec 31 05:24:02 enter is too punctuation Dec 31 05:24:02 LOL Dec 31 05:24:05 showdialog can also take a callback function, to which you can pass data. Dec 31 05:24:08 and breaks up my thoughts... Dec 31 05:24:16 it can it can Dec 31 05:24:21 haeffb_pre: really? is there an example of that Dec 31 05:25:05 * zsoc crawls back to internals... Dec 31 05:25:41 rick_home: here is what is happening, i'm query an external db that gives me a series of survey questions that i need to get answered, i display the "questions" for a survey in a list.. and based on which question a user clicks.. i want different types of input [single line free form text, multichoice list, singlechoice list, etc..] Dec 31 05:26:41 UIWidgets in SDK samples has an example of using callback function in showDialog Dec 31 05:27:42 haeffb_pre: is there a way i can load the SDK examples via Ares? Dec 31 05:27:47 i'm using Ares for development Dec 31 05:28:52 that I do not know. not using Ares Dec 31 05:30:59 @find the magic of thinking big Dec 31 05:31:10 @as-search the magic of thinking big Dec 31 05:33:15 thecleanmachine no, you will have to use notepad, or something to look at the code in the sdk examples. Dec 31 05:33:40 rick_home: is there a way to load a project into ares? Dec 31 05:35:09 yes thecleanmachine zip it up, and go to the project root and drop it into the upload box. Dec 31 05:35:21 it auto-unzips it Dec 31 05:35:25 ah Dec 31 05:35:26 cool Dec 31 05:35:29 i'll do that Dec 31 05:37:11 * Bmyers would be afraid of dropping my project into Ares Dec 31 05:37:18 note that scenes do NOT NOT NOT get converted into what you see is what you get Dec 31 05:37:23 they stay big piles of text Dec 31 05:37:28 no conversion to chrome. Dec 31 05:37:37 It runs, and debugs and everything, but no conversion to chrome Dec 31 05:37:44 chrome? Dec 31 05:37:45 what does that mean Dec 31 05:37:54 bmyers, it les you do debugging.... which is good. Dec 31 05:38:03 rick_home shucks i didn't know that about Ares Dec 31 05:38:04 the drag and drop thing... Dec 31 05:38:16 yup Dec 31 05:38:18 the stuff that you drag and drop get saved into a text file Dec 31 05:38:24 called scene-chrome.js Dec 31 05:38:27 in json form. Dec 31 05:38:46 this is why I am going to write the god-damned ares book. Dec 31 05:39:01 rick_home: really? Dec 31 05:39:09 yes. Really. Dec 31 05:40:59 JenP This app is utterly gorgeous. Dec 31 05:41:12 i'm so glad you like it Dec 31 05:41:21 took me FOREVER... Dec 31 05:41:28 christmas gift gone crazy Dec 31 05:41:45 Great work. Dec 31 05:41:50 hint to all developers....never ever agree to make something for an artist Dec 31 05:41:55 thanks! Dec 31 05:41:59 I'm close on the stupid feedback. Dec 31 05:42:07 i just have that last thing and i'm done Dec 31 05:42:20 well i'm re-writing his bio...but then i'm done Dec 31 05:42:29 cool thank you for helping Dec 31 05:42:38 rick_home: how long till it comes out? Dec 31 05:43:54 Well, it's a month before I have to submit the first chapter. Dec 31 05:44:09 so, I don't know, four to six months. Dec 31 05:44:18 which is really REALLY fast for a book. Dec 31 05:44:22 if I can get it done Dec 31 05:46:17 I hate that I can't type worth crap Dec 31 05:46:27 Onject.toJSON doesn't work at all... Dec 31 05:51:39 Bmyers: :-( Dec 31 05:51:46 Bmyers: i had to remove the image feature Dec 31 05:58:30 ? Dec 31 05:58:45 oh, too slow? Dec 31 05:59:20 4-6 months is stupid fast for a book Dec 31 05:59:29 mine too a year.. Dec 31 05:59:42 (took) Dec 31 05:59:52 mostly cause of typos :) Dec 31 06:01:50 it's going to be stupid fast or not at all. Dec 31 06:02:16 If we manage to finish a contract. Dec 31 06:06:47 who's the publisher, Wiley Publishing? Dec 31 06:08:13 rick_hom: question Dec 31 06:08:26 rick_home: i dropped the zip into the file viewer Dec 31 06:08:41 rick_home: but how do i get it to show up on the emulator.. i have it highlighted but it still goes to my other app instead Dec 31 06:09:05 JenP -- uh, the src you sent me did not have a feedback.html file in /backgrounds. Dec 31 06:09:13 which would make the file extremely hard to render.... Dec 31 06:09:23 true... Dec 31 06:09:45 thecleanmachine you have to select it, package it and launch it Dec 31 06:09:48 ah crap i didn't refresh it ...when i zipped it Dec 31 06:09:56 sokay. Dec 31 06:09:58 I put it in Dec 31 06:10:02 thanks Dec 31 06:10:07 but I was beating my head.... Dec 31 06:10:14 i'm sorry Dec 31 06:10:49 HA!!! Dec 31 06:10:53 and furthermore HA!!!!! Dec 31 06:11:00 and not only that but HA!!!!! Dec 31 06:11:06 LOL Dec 31 06:11:19 JenP works really GOOD if there's a template there. Dec 31 06:11:24 lol Dec 31 06:11:45 well......uh...thank you? Dec 31 06:12:02 (hi Jenp) Dec 31 06:12:06 not quite yet. Dec 31 06:12:09 hey bmyers! Dec 31 06:12:09 couple of minutes Dec 31 06:12:11 kk Dec 31 06:12:21 the template has some images in it you know. Dec 31 06:12:38 it does...the icon thingy Dec 31 06:13:15 thecleanmachine: note "thingy" is a very technical programming therm Dec 31 06:13:17 term Dec 31 06:14:15 and JenP when you call feedback, you pass it the image name, as well as the text. Dec 31 06:14:23 and we're passing the name "wallpaper" Dec 31 06:14:24 rick_home: hmm for my project i created in ares i don't have to package and launch.. in fact i just launch and it runs on emulator Dec 31 06:14:29 but images doesn't HAVE walpaper. Dec 31 06:14:37 i thlove chomplithated thechnichal therms Dec 31 06:15:08 rick_home...oh! is that what broke it? Dec 31 06:15:22 zsoc LOL Dec 31 06:15:59 part of it. Dec 31 06:16:10 but you needed the template in there too. Dec 31 06:16:22 kk Dec 31 06:17:04 ehh Dec 31 06:17:10 i don't know how to load a package on the emulator Dec 31 06:18:07 got it loaded Dec 31 06:18:08 nm Dec 31 06:18:13 btw thecleanmachine: as the unoffical irc cheerleader....you're doing great! if this was easy it wouldn't be as much fun Dec 31 06:18:43 JenP: i could use you in -internals right about now :P Dec 31 06:19:10 lol why are you telling more people to not hit enter?!?!:-p Dec 31 06:19:16 i was wondering (sorry for the random Qs) .. if there was a way to change the color for the existing widgets like the button.. Dec 31 06:19:28 YES! Dec 31 06:19:47 find the image and change it ... Dec 31 06:19:51 in ares, i can't seem to find a way to change it .. it always stays dull gray Dec 31 06:19:56 oh god really? Dec 31 06:20:06 yup i do it all the time Dec 31 06:20:13 thecleanmachine: yes, and also change the css to point to your new image =) Dec 31 06:20:23 although there's probably some more programming was like in css... Dec 31 06:20:29 JenP: i was trying to propagate generally accepted irc etiquette :P Dec 31 06:20:52 lol zsoc (hm) Dec 31 06:21:31 etiquette shemettick...next your gonna say we have to wear pants to chat... Dec 31 06:21:55 * zsoc blinks loudly Dec 31 06:22:29 i'm wearing shorts Dec 31 06:22:35 maybe i should leave Dec 31 06:22:40 (sw) LOL Dec 31 06:23:51 so you guys work for palm? Dec 31 06:24:00 not i Dec 31 06:24:01 AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAA Dec 31 06:24:09 ahem, sorry. no me neither. Dec 31 06:24:32 they really need to come out with a gsm pre Dec 31 06:24:33 work with palm. two actually. left palm and right palm.. Dec 31 06:24:43 lol! Dec 31 06:25:52 when you copied the feedback css, you missed .feedback-icon.wallpaper Dec 31 06:25:54 ooops Dec 31 06:26:11 dammit! Dec 31 06:26:25 stupid details... Dec 31 06:26:37 why can't it just read my mind like it's suppose to Dec 31 06:26:47 ok Dec 31 06:26:50 all working now. Dec 31 06:26:54 really! Dec 31 06:27:05 Josh might want to re-do the wallpaper.png Dec 31 06:27:13 but I just stole the one out of feedback Dec 31 06:27:19 but it's all working Dec 31 06:27:24 kk Dec 31 06:27:24 I'll zip it up and sent it back to you Dec 31 06:27:26 thank you so much Dec 31 06:27:35 no biggy I learned a bunch tonight Dec 31 06:27:56 .....tomorrow you'll teach me what you learned?.... Dec 31 06:28:05 a very annoying thing with ARES is that i can't seem to cut and paste from outside Dec 31 06:28:06 (fl) Dec 31 06:28:08 any way to fix this issue? Dec 31 06:28:10 especially about how mojo.view.render works. Dec 31 06:28:27 thecleanmachine you certainly CAN cut and paste from outside. Dec 31 06:28:44 rick_home: serious? maybe safari is the problem Dec 31 06:28:46 thecleanmachine mac or pc? Dec 31 06:28:55 rick_home: mac, safari Dec 31 06:29:03 ahhh I don't do fruit. Dec 31 06:29:05 but it will work Dec 31 06:29:11 you have to paste with openapple-v Dec 31 06:29:37 openapple? Dec 31 06:29:40 command-v? Dec 31 06:29:42 yep Dec 31 06:29:58 yes, that's what i'm using Dec 31 06:30:05 it only works with in ares cut/paste Dec 31 06:30:07 whatever you call that thing to the left of the spacebar on a mac. Dec 31 06:30:16 let me try in firefox Dec 31 06:30:37 gah! Dec 31 06:30:40 stupid safari Dec 31 06:32:17 brb Dec 31 06:32:29 JenP sent -- remember to clean out the thumbs.db files before you ship it Dec 31 06:34:00 what are you guys workin on? Dec 31 06:34:21 SEKRETS Dec 31 06:34:35 super secret squirrel stuff. Dec 31 06:34:49 finding pants so zsoc will let me stay Dec 31 06:35:24 we're porting sims to the pre... Dec 31 06:35:54 im finishing a wallpaper app Dec 31 06:36:00 awwwwwww Dec 31 06:36:05 she had to go and say. Dec 31 06:36:11 Now we have to kill her. :-( Dec 31 06:36:16 lol Dec 31 06:36:24 oh, that's right, she's 1500 miles away. Oh well, Next time. Dec 31 06:36:52 rick are you going to ces? Dec 31 06:37:00 anyway JenP that should get you going for tonight, and you can give Josh his christmas present. Dec 31 06:37:06 Yes I am JenP Dec 31 06:37:12 OH Cool! Dec 31 06:37:17 all weekend? Dec 31 06:37:21 and I know you're not because the people you work for are trolls. Dec 31 06:37:28 evil trolls Dec 31 06:37:41 live under bridges, eat goats. :-) Dec 31 06:37:57 it's pretty bad when they have to buy back your paid time off because you have so much... Dec 31 06:38:02 no, flying in on Wed, flying out Sat am. Dec 31 06:38:04 and they can't let you take it Dec 31 06:38:06 damn Dec 31 06:38:17 sorry dear. Dec 31 06:38:22 next time Dec 31 06:38:26 I know. Dec 31 06:39:24 you following webos-internals tonight???? Dec 31 06:39:33 zsoc, wow. Dec 31 06:39:40 me...no should i? Dec 31 06:39:47 I'll summarise. Dec 31 06:40:14 1.3.5 included a new way to do direct binary graphics. (sdl if you care) and all the code is included. Dec 31 06:40:37 really..... Dec 31 06:40:41 really Dec 31 06:40:48 and zsoc has it working IN A CARD. Dec 31 06:40:56 i think we're gonna have to explore that Dec 31 06:41:05 nah boring stuf Dec 31 06:41:10 no one needs opengl es stuff in cards Dec 31 06:41:11 awesome! Dec 31 06:41:14 lol Dec 31 06:41:22 i don't want to ruin palms surprises Dec 31 06:41:28 or, i want to _super_ ruin it Dec 31 06:41:32 * zsoc prepares a press conference Dec 31 06:41:39 today sdk graphics, tommorow DOOM on the pre!!! Dec 31 06:41:41 in a card! Dec 31 06:41:59 yeah! Dec 31 06:42:04 rick_home: actually, technically _later_ today for some of us Dec 31 06:48:37 this is so cool Dec 31 06:48:49 I _have_ to get into the room for the 11AM conference at CES. Dec 31 06:48:52 arrrgghhhh Dec 31 06:54:34 Is there a way to poll Luna to see what "cards" are open? Like does it notate each one somehow? (they're called scenes right?) Dec 31 06:55:33 yes, and yes. Dec 31 06:56:55 wasn't it abbysl that has the memory-mapper thing (luna top equivalent) that shows not only what cards are open but how much ram and other resources they were using? Dec 31 06:57:07 oh yes yes i recall Dec 31 06:58:09 rick_home: are you going to heckle at CES with webos-internals evangelism? Dec 31 06:58:20 what? Me? Heckle? Dec 31 06:58:32 I'll swear to glue my lips shut if they let me in the room.... Dec 31 06:58:42 Now, what I do OUTSIDE the room is another matter. Dec 31 07:02:12 * rick_home bad... Dec 31 07:02:23 BED. BED... gaaa Dec 31 07:04:19 rick_home: ping Dec 31 07:19:26 hi jf Dec 31 07:26:27 can you do https checkins with ares? Dec 31 07:27:01 mental block: how do i tell what the name of the scene that is on top is? Dec 31 07:40:18 Bmyers: topScene() Dec 31 07:41:02 also look at stagecontroller api Dec 31 07:41:09 I think we have something like Dec 31 07:41:21 Mojo.StageController.activeScene() Dec 31 07:41:25 something like that Dec 31 07:41:27 let me look Dec 31 07:42:05 Mojo.Controller.StageController.activeScene() Dec 31 07:42:11 that will return it Dec 31 07:43:05 Mojo.Controller.StageController.topScene() Dec 31 07:43:38 activeScene is the active one, not necessarily the top one Dec 31 07:44:14 popping doesn't change the order, just the focus Dec 31 07:46:26 ah yes good point Dec 31 07:49:25 QQ as I forgot in a css stylesheet does #text{} style by id? Dec 31 07:51:02 disregard consulted bing Dec 31 08:21:33 * CTLAdvance finally has these transitions working... sweet Dec 31 08:32:23 here is a little desktop script that will give you info about the apps you have in the app catalog. Just give it the app ID's of your app(s) http://gist.github.com/266666 Dec 31 08:33:02 I made it for geektool but it will work anywhere Dec 31 10:50:51 anyone get webkit animations to work **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 31 12:10:56 2009 Dec 31 12:49:14 morning Dec 31 12:53:27 hi Dec 31 12:53:54 hi Dec 31 13:01:39 Happy New Year Sydney Dec 31 13:10:38 Bmyers: done? Dec 31 13:10:46 hi ATL Dec 31 13:13:14 Bmyers: omg spoilers Dec 31 13:13:28 I wanted to see if new years was really coming for myself but now you've ruined it! Dec 31 13:16:02 haeffb_pre: hey Dec 31 13:16:11 lmfao Dec 31 13:16:27 * atlanta sent an updated .ipk to palm Dec 31 13:16:49 hey heaffe.. Dec 31 13:17:11 Bmyers: morning Dec 31 13:17:19 haeffe: it took me most of the day yesterday just to do the menus Dec 31 13:17:22 hi atlanta Dec 31 13:23:25 wsup what u doing Dec 31 13:23:41 just wrapping up this app Dec 31 13:23:50 cool cool Dec 31 13:23:59 i had to setttle for less last night with my app Dec 31 13:24:07 until they fix the html rendering issu Dec 31 13:24:07 e Dec 31 13:24:36 html issue? Dec 31 13:24:46 yea rendering wise Dec 31 13:25:06 have u ever tried to dynamically update an image .src? Dec 31 13:25:12 o, Dec 31 13:25:16 yeah that... Dec 31 13:25:24 yea Dec 31 13:25:27 bummer Dec 31 13:25:39 indeed so i just left out the image updating and just put the image name for now Dec 31 13:25:59 my app is snappy now Dec 31 13:26:02 when typingf Dec 31 13:26:17 well hey it's shipped. you're one up on me there.. Dec 31 13:26:52 Has anyone used the webkit animations? Dec 31 13:26:59 not transformations Dec 31 13:27:27 CTLAdvance: negative Dec 31 13:27:47 CTL Dec 31 13:28:02 ? Dec 31 13:28:17 thanks for your answer early about the stage Dec 31 13:28:44 i am look for the text string name of the stage Dec 31 13:28:51 (ing) Dec 31 13:29:03 like 'main' or 'test' or whatever Dec 31 13:29:11 not a handle to it Dec 31 13:29:24 ah I see Dec 31 13:29:27 hmm Dec 31 13:29:51 basically, i want to trapped back gesture Dec 31 13:30:13 and poptoscene 'X' if i am not on scene'X' Dec 31 13:30:52 if i am on scene 'X' then i want to doDefault Dec 31 13:34:06 Bmyers: can't do it. Dec 31 13:34:36 cant get the string name of scene? Dec 31 13:34:39 unless you create the first stage yourself Dec 31 13:34:50 of, scene. Maybe. Dec 31 13:34:54 not of default stage Dec 31 13:35:23 yeah i create all that, and a bag of chips.. Dec 31 13:36:11 right, then you can. Dec 31 13:36:20 I was still talking about the question from last night. Dec 31 13:36:35 "what is name of default stage created by framework" Dec 31 13:37:43 o, yeah i was think default scene, which can be 'main' if you dont specify one to push to Dec 31 13:37:49 oooh. I like the view menu much better now. Dec 31 13:38:08 haeffb_gon4work Dec 31 13:39:13 Bmyers if you dont have an option of a function Dec 31 13:39:35 create a global variable, and anytime you push a scene, just before it update the var Dec 31 13:41:01 well that stinks.. Dec 31 13:43:04 wow they got DOOM to work in a card Dec 31 13:43:06 impresive Dec 31 13:43:14 testing it out now Dec 31 13:43:30 where? Dec 31 13:43:56 i just got the ipk package from the internals channel Dec 31 13:44:01 but its in the preware feed Dec 31 13:44:07 u need to install terminal also Dec 31 13:44:21 heh, tweet should go out soon. Dec 31 13:44:36 cool cool Dec 31 13:44:59 sure too them long enough, 135 has been out for how long now? a day? Dec 31 13:45:14 28th Dec 31 13:45:41 hm, does a href link in a richtextfield work? Dec 31 14:19:25 hi n80. see the doom port out on preware? Dec 31 14:19:51 http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2118707 Dec 31 14:19:59 anyone notice any performance increase on the pre with 1.3.5? Dec 31 14:21:37 Bmyers: can you quote you on your comment above? Dec 31 14:21:42 can I quote you Dec 31 14:23:09 the part about doom port? Dec 31 14:23:18 yeah Dec 31 14:23:23 and how long it tool Dec 31 14:23:25 took Dec 31 14:23:48 yeah, i was just funn'n.. Dec 31 14:24:06 135 has been out for a few days.. Dec 31 14:24:45 Bmyers: http://twitter.com/webosinternals/status/7235026384 Dec 31 14:29:58 It's gloom and Doom on New Years from Rod Whitby ? :) Dec 31 14:31:20 too funny Rod. Dec 31 14:38:05 rwhitby - any chance on dukenukem the brother of doom Dec 31 14:38:08 :) Dec 31 14:38:17 CTLAdvance: talk to Zsoc Dec 31 14:38:29 I'm just the packaging monkey ;-) Dec 31 14:40:23 2 Dec 31 14:41:49 barney doom.. Dec 31 14:47:42 Pardon my naivite' but is that something I can load from command line, or Preware, by using the URL ? Dec 31 14:49:20 preware Dec 31 14:52:03 rockin' - :) thanks Bmyers Dec 31 14:54:09 yw Dec 31 14:57:13 FreeTim3: u need terminal also Dec 31 14:57:21 if u dont already have it installed Dec 31 15:00:06 ah, I don't in fact, thanks for that tip Dec 31 15:01:16 np Dec 31 15:02:07 lol @ bloody penguin Dec 31 15:02:18 yeah.. Dec 31 15:03:08 8 hours left in the old year Dec 31 15:03:09 Templarian created that icon weeks and weeks ago, and it seemed fitting :-) Dec 31 15:05:51 how sad is it I remembered all the secret areas.... Dec 31 15:06:27 swisstomcat: already 1.5 hours into 2010 here Dec 31 15:06:53 rwhitby: happy new year in that case! Dec 31 15:07:04 does 2010 suck any less than 2009 did? (so far) Dec 31 15:07:21 Bmyers: yep, it's a great year so far. Dec 31 15:09:41 did 2009 suck? Dec 31 15:10:01 the pre was released in europe in october 2009 Dec 31 15:10:06 can't be that bad :) Dec 31 15:17:34 ok, I'm outta here - good night all and happy new year for when it happens to you wherever you are Dec 31 15:18:57 happy new year Rod Dec 31 15:24:00 precentral forums broken? Dec 31 15:24:30 they've been doomdotted Dec 31 15:25:40 has anyone submitted the news to slashdot? Dec 31 15:27:03 what's the terminal command to launch doom? Dec 31 15:27:17 ./doom Dec 31 15:27:22 u have to travel to the path though Dec 31 15:27:37 its all in the doom card window that rwhitby provided :-) Dec 31 15:27:37 lol Dec 31 15:29:25 haeffb-pre: cd /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.sdldoom Dec 31 15:29:29 then ./doom Dec 31 15:31:04 so there's imageview, is there any mojo widget for an image picker? like when you pick an album in the photos app, and you see the thumbnails? Dec 31 15:40:58 ok. awesome! Dec 31 15:46:13 any idea about if theres something in mojo for showing thumbnails Dec 31 15:46:19 like the photo app does? squared on the screen Dec 31 15:46:25 rather than one image per page (imageview) Dec 31 15:52:07 yetdog: yes Dec 31 15:52:14 filepicker Dec 31 15:52:30 oh u mean squared on the screen Dec 31 15:52:48 well show the thumbnails in a box and then have it open the iamge view im guessing Dec 31 15:52:55 im still lost on using the imageview Dec 31 15:52:58 yetdog you're talking about a photo array like photos does? Dec 31 15:53:10 atlanta, imageview I understand. :-) Dec 31 15:53:22 Boy boy boy do JenP and I understand it now. Dec 31 15:53:55 Rick_work: got any good examples for me because using borks my app Dec 31 15:55:26 uh Dec 31 15:55:29 examples... Dec 31 15:55:31 hmmmmm Dec 31 15:58:27 rick_home just like the album page in photos Dec 31 15:58:33 so you pick..messaging Dec 31 15:58:40 and it shows the thumbnails in a grid Dec 31 15:58:44 that grid Dec 31 15:58:50 right Dec 31 15:58:58 wasnt sure if that was a widget Dec 31 15:59:00 have you pulled the code out of photos? Dec 31 15:59:12 nope, havent gotten that far yet. might do that Dec 31 16:00:17 ok, atlanta, what is your problem with imageview? It's super simple to use..... Dec 31 16:00:26 right now trying to figure out why my stoplistening for orientationchange is still listening after i pop the scene Dec 31 16:00:48 Rick_work: i dont think i set it up right, i didnt know how to set the default image Dec 31 16:00:55 yetdog did you bind the handler outside the listener? Dec 31 16:01:14 in setup: Dec 31 16:01:15 this._handleOrientationChange=this.handleOrientationChange.bindAsEventListener(this); Dec 31 16:01:50 no Dec 31 16:02:02 just bind(this) Dec 31 16:02:34 ah... Dec 31 16:03:47 hmm still .. Dec 31 16:03:50 and in my deactivate: Dec 31 16:03:51 this.controller.stopListening(this.controller.document, "orientationchange",this._handleOrientationChange); Dec 31 16:04:09 atlanta, right Dec 31 16:04:15 so where do you do the listen? Dec 31 16:04:20 in activate? Dec 31 16:04:48 yes: this.controller.listen(this.controller.document, "orientationchange",this._handleOrientationChange); Dec 31 16:04:50 in activate Dec 31 16:04:51 make sure ur binding it Dec 31 16:05:03 yetdog gimme the listen call Dec 31 16:05:07 just did :) Dec 31 16:05:28 uh Dec 31 16:05:39 but the bind you said you did in setup didn't have an underscore in it. Dec 31 16:05:42 why is that? Dec 31 16:05:53 (jfelectron lent me some code, working on that) Dec 31 16:06:11 this is my setup: this._handleOrientationChange=this.handleOrientationChange.bind(this); Dec 31 16:06:22 and my listen: this.controller.listen(this.controller.document, "orientationchange",this._handleOrientationChange); Dec 31 16:06:47 ok Dec 31 16:06:55 and then the unlisten as you posted Dec 31 16:07:27 unlisten: this.controller.stopListening(this.controller.document, "orientationchange",this._handleOrientationChange); Dec 31 16:07:36 right Dec 31 16:07:41 that ought to work good. Dec 31 16:07:46 (FYI i dont have any div called orientation change in my HTML) Dec 31 16:07:48 do i need one? Dec 31 16:08:16 yetdog, no you're listening to the entire document. Dec 31 16:08:26 hmm ok.. Dec 31 16:08:42 atlanta, Dec 31 16:08:43 var attributes = { limitZoom: true }; Dec 31 16:08:43 this.imageViewModel = { Dec 31 16:08:43 onLeftFunction: this.wentLeft.bind(this), Dec 31 16:08:43 onRightFunction: this.wentRight.bind(this) Dec 31 16:08:43 }; Dec 31 16:08:45 this.controller.setupWidget('ImageId', attributes, this.imageViewModel); Dec 31 16:08:47 this.imageViewElement = $('ImageId'); Dec 31 16:10:56 atlanta http://webos.pastebin.com/m5934b193 Dec 31 16:11:06 yeah, its not unlistening, as when i pop back to the previous scene (and all previous scenes in the app), i can still rotate :( Dec 31 16:11:16 and you need a div "ImageId" in your view. Dec 31 16:11:44 yetdog the unlisten is in deactivate? Dec 31 16:11:48 yep Dec 31 16:11:56 log in front and back of it and try-catch the unlisten Dec 31 16:12:02 to ensure it's executing Dec 31 16:12:05 yeah..will do Dec 31 16:12:26 atlanta - I posted a big hunk-o-code with all the details for you Dec 31 16:12:31 Bmyers: ping Dec 31 16:12:54 yo Dec 31 16:13:10 entered and left the deactivate function Dec 31 16:13:28 would like to see a displayed timer when punched in Dec 31 16:18:24 event Mojo.Event.stopListening isnt working. sheesh Dec 31 16:18:31 ill check w/ jf in case he pops in today Dec 31 16:18:37 thanks rick :) Dec 31 16:19:24 Rick_work: thanks Dec 31 16:19:35 welcome and welcome Dec 31 16:19:41 nice and complete ill update webos 101 with info on imageview Dec 31 16:19:55 after reading over the code Dec 31 16:30:56 Has anyone else had trouble with their profile not reloading all of your apps after reloading? Dec 31 16:33:36 scasplte2 lots of people. Dec 31 16:33:39 did you doctor? Dec 31 16:33:53 Rick_work: I did Dec 31 16:33:58 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Doom Dec 31 16:34:17 what version did you doctor with? What version did you have before you doctored? Dec 31 16:34:38 and are the apps you're asking about app catalog apps or preware apps? Dec 31 16:34:39 I was using 1.3.1 Dec 31 16:34:45 nodnod Dec 31 16:34:49 and..... Dec 31 16:34:50 they're app catalog apps Dec 31 16:34:57 and you doctored with ..... Dec 31 16:34:58 I had 1.3.5 before Dec 31 16:35:13 so you went from 131 to 135??? Dec 31 16:35:16 Sorry, I had 1.3.5 and used 1.3.1 Dec 31 16:35:22 ahhh back-doctored. Dec 31 16:35:37 but the apps were installed using 1.3.1 Dec 31 16:35:39 ok, here's the story, palm's restore isn't guaranteed to work if you change versions. Dec 31 16:36:05 your backup has data file structures that change from version to version. This is a huge fail on palm's part. Dec 31 16:36:26 oh ok Dec 31 16:36:58 Is there anyway to see which apps you've downloaded or to make it recheck? Dec 31 16:37:15 no idea. Dec 31 16:37:38 ok, thanks Dec 31 16:38:27 no there is except running the first use app again Dec 31 16:47:45 happy new year from Singapore! Dec 31 16:56:15 1.0.1 -> 1.0.2 update submitted 12/21. still "being reviews" for the past 10 days. lol Dec 31 17:02:18 holiday yetdog Dec 31 17:02:27 Is the Terminal app only available via Preware? Dec 31 17:02:29 7 days here waiting Dec 31 17:03:14 what's this I hear about 1.3.5 has it been released>? Dec 31 17:03:36 prototypic - came out a couple days ago Dec 31 17:04:08 includes libraries for GPU - leading many to believe that palm's CES presentation will include some kind of announcement about using the GPU and perhaps allowing native apps Dec 31 17:04:36 also, webos-internals released a port of DOOM today that uses the SDL (graphics) libraries now baked into 1.3.5 to GPU-accelerate the app Dec 31 17:04:42 that about sum it up, gang? :) Dec 31 17:08:39 fantastic thanks Dec 31 17:08:45 very nice overview Dec 31 17:18:30 Could someone tell me where terminal is located in Preware? I can't seem to find it. Dec 31 17:22:10 Go to "available packages' choose All and scroll down to the T alphabetically Dec 31 17:22:36 If not listed, then look under "installed packages" in case you have some older version. From there you can update it Dec 31 17:23:04 Yeah, its not there. For some reason the webos feed is not loading Dec 31 17:23:51 yep it's from the webos Internals feed... try adjust your Preferences to Update Each Launch instead of once per day Dec 31 17:24:16 under Manage Feeds (also make sure this feed is set to On ) Dec 31 17:31:48 guys, anyone knows how to get vibration when I'm on a call and someone is calling? Dec 31 17:32:17 i've noticed there i get a sound like a gong or something Dec 31 17:37:03 What's new in the 3.5 update? Dec 31 17:37:09 Where can I find a changelog? Dec 31 17:37:43 in palms blog Dec 31 17:38:11 http://pdnblog.palm.com/2009/12/mojo-sdk-135-now-available/ Dec 31 17:38:25 Thanks. Much appreciated. Dec 31 17:38:27 did you see the IMPORTANT NEWS..... Dec 31 17:38:57 Why does "Honor thy NDA!" refer to? Dec 31 17:39:02 s/Why/What/ Dec 31 17:39:12 palm included hardware accelerated graphics in 135, and zsoc ported doom last night, and it runs in a card. Dec 31 17:39:33 Ah, but will it run psdoom? :-) Dec 31 17:39:36 quotemstr many of us have non disclosure agreements with palm so that we have access to pre-release software. Dec 31 17:39:53 Rick_work: But the NDA doesn't cover anything relating to software that's actually generally available? Dec 31 17:40:04 No secret features, hidden APIs, that sort of thing? Dec 31 17:40:35 quotemstr there's all sorts of that kind of thing, but we're still discovering those, they were, by definition secret. The sdl stuff is an example of tht. Dec 31 17:40:55 Rick_work: Of course. :-) I'm asking whether the NDA prohibits revealing any of that stuff. Dec 31 17:41:12 "The default email signature no longer includes the macron over the “e” in “Pre,” so that the product name shows correctly on a recipient’s phone." Dec 31 17:41:16 if it's found without palm's help .. then it isn't covered by NDA Dec 31 17:41:24 That's disappointing. I thought we lived in the age of unicode. Dec 31 17:41:27 and more a place for #webos-internals Dec 31 17:41:32 Ah. Dec 31 17:42:06 quotemstr if there's stuff under nda, then it's under nda and "I am not at liberty to comment." Stuff that's found through independent research gets posted to the wiki and to precentral Dec 31 17:42:12 cant wait until palm uses the GPU, even for its general ui. (css transforms, from what i understand) the phone should *really* whip then Dec 31 17:42:51 i find 1.3.5 to be moderately faster UI wise already ... very happy about that Dec 31 17:43:00 Ah, update complete. Time to get tethering working again. Dec 31 17:43:17 yetdog -- expect hardware css transforms and webGL "soon" Dec 31 17:43:30 ta da. CES :) (not looking for a confirm) ;) Dec 31 17:44:01 is it still cool to make homebrew apps as long as they're beta? Dec 31 17:44:03 so ok - easy example. scamble or bejeweled for the phone. those would be possible w/ webGL? Dec 31 17:45:52 Chriswebos: It's always okay to make homebrew apps. Dec 31 17:45:57 Chriswebos: For any platform. Dec 31 17:46:26 oh, okay, because the license agreement for mojo says you can't distribute apps except for in app catalog Dec 31 17:46:50 Chriswebos: That's an unconscionable restriction and it ought to be ignored. Dec 31 17:47:11 i hope palm makes a public statement about sideloading of apps Dec 31 17:47:13 Chriswebos you're talking about the sdk license? Dec 31 17:47:31 bpadalino Palm HAS made a public statement about sideloading apps. Dec 31 17:47:31 rick_work: yes, the sdk license Dec 31 17:47:35 Several of them. Dec 31 17:48:03 Chriswebos: No third party has the right to prevent a third party from handing his own software to a fourth party. Dec 31 17:48:11 Chriswebos the sdk license says "except for beta" and preware, precentral, and etc are specifically tagged as beta distribution sites. Dec 31 17:48:27 Rick_work: Does it define "beta"? Dec 31 17:48:27 so, by golly it's all legal always, period no question. Dec 31 17:48:49 Rick_work: A company's desire isn't automatically transformed into law. Dec 31 17:48:56 quotemstr nope. So precental and webos-internals simply stated in our policies that by posting on these feeds you're saying that your app is beta. Dec 31 17:49:05 rick_work: ok, i must've missed it when i skimmed (yawning and wishing i were somewhere else) the license Dec 31 17:49:10 quotemstr -- I know, but really, its pretty clear. Dec 31 17:49:24 Rick_work: Which solves the practical, if not the moral problem. Dec 31 17:49:25 plus they praise the hell out of us all the time. Dec 31 17:50:10 okay, cool...off to make a better mousetrap, test viability in homebrew, and hope palm accepts in their catalog Dec 31 17:50:20 Rick_work: And I don't think it's so clear, frankly, that using an SDK should subject the resulting application to the terms of the SDK. Where does copyright law say it should? Dec 31 17:50:38 quotemstr it's not copyright. It's contract law. Dec 31 17:50:47 u guys are astounding...get questions answered in seconds, not days Dec 31 17:50:50 and feel free to attempt to make a case Dec 31 17:50:52 Rick_work: "I accept" does not a contract make. Dec 31 17:51:13 that is an interesting statement which would be interesting to take before a court. :-) Dec 31 17:51:29 The case law on click through licenses is "blurry" Dec 31 17:51:40 Rick_work: Perhaps I will. But Palm's been rather lenient, so I don't think it'll present a *practical* problem. I just don't like the presumption that Palm or Apple or anyone else can control the software on end-user devices. Dec 31 17:52:14 I *picked up* a Pre because it's open. The very first application I installed was the terminal. :-) Dec 31 17:52:42 (Speaking of which --- is it possible to type '<'? The documentation mentions it should be shift-., but that key combination just prints '.') Dec 31 17:53:58 quotemstr it should work. Dec 31 17:54:10 try orange-. or sym-. Dec 31 17:55:43 Nope. Dec 31 17:55:45 All of those print '. Dec 31 17:55:55 huh Dec 31 17:56:09 Does it work for you? Dec 31 17:56:57 Just out of curiosity: does Palm accept applications that require native-code plugins (like the terminal) into the app catalog? Dec 31 17:57:31 quotemstr not yet. Dec 31 17:57:39 Binary sdk annoucement expected "soon." Dec 31 17:57:56 Ah, thanks. Dec 31 17:59:55 woah rick :) Dec 31 18:00:16 this.soon = "CES"; Dec 31 18:00:17 ;) Dec 31 18:00:43 its funny, we use the "soon" quote on my website a lot in news articles we publish :) Dec 31 18:00:44 yetdog -- I don't think so, but it's possible that would be true for "Limited release to selected developers." Dec 31 18:01:20 hmm...the mere existence of it is what i'm aiming for, so that would whet my whistle. i'm not skilled enough at the present time to take advantage of it developmentally Dec 31 18:01:36 Is the app catalog missing some of the apps which were there before? Dec 31 18:01:36 right now im learning objective C for the iphone, though, so ill be up tpo speed on OO stuff soon enough Dec 31 18:01:44 been a while since i took my C++ in college :/ Dec 31 18:02:29 I have a Pixi that's having Preware installation issues Dec 31 18:02:57 yetdog: Objective-C is odd. I'd rather use JS, personally, or C++. Dec 31 18:03:01 Ah, I yearn for C++. Dec 31 18:03:17 Guys I'm sorry for asking again but does someone knows what I've asked minutes ago? Dec 31 18:03:35 glorifiedg: Check the channel logs? Dec 31 18:03:48 hmm Dec 31 18:04:05 about the notifications while in a call Dec 31 18:04:09 I get a gong Dec 31 18:04:20 but I want vibration. lol Dec 31 18:04:33 glorifiedg isn't there a patch for that already? Dec 31 18:04:37 does someone knows how to get that? Dec 31 18:04:41 if not, you'll have to patch the phone app. Dec 31 18:04:46 glorifiedg preware Dec 31 18:04:47 I can't find it... Dec 31 18:05:08 I'll look again in preware Dec 31 18:05:11 thanks Dec 31 18:10:05 I'm thinking of writing a patch that will make calendar events more like alarms. Perhaps converting them to alarms if you have the alarm set on the calendar event. Either that or allowing you to specify unique tones for calendar events. Dec 31 18:10:50 Roy-Pre101: Good for you. Dec 31 18:11:06 Has there *ever* been an instance of Palm accepting a third-party WebOS patch? Dec 31 18:13:18 that patch would be nice roy Dec 31 18:13:45 Is Preware meant to be installed on the Pixi? Dec 31 18:14:57 yes it is Dec 31 18:15:10 pre and pixi Dec 31 18:15:33 Well, we can only install it through WebOS quickinstall, and now it's glitching up on the Pixi Dec 31 18:16:50 It's saying Package Manger might not have been installed or something, and to wait for a more stable connection, etc. It was working perfectly yesterday. Dec 31 18:29:27 hey rick_home: even putting the stopListening event in the cleanup doesnt work :( Dec 31 18:33:57 would anyone be willing to take a look at my code and possibly explain why my orientation change listener isnt deactivating? Dec 31 18:36:27 yetdog: pastebin? Dec 31 18:36:31 http://webos.pastebin.com/m3659ac64 Dec 31 18:36:33 :) Dec 31 18:37:13 hi everyone! I'm trying to make the "hello world" app work, but nothing happens when the user clicks on the button. Is that a FAQ somewhere? Dec 31 18:37:40 noob_year there are a lot of faq's. Dec 31 18:38:12 I meant: is this particular question frequently asked, and if so in which document could I find an answer? Dec 31 18:38:27 noob_year go to webos.pastebin.com and paste in your scene assistant file, and come back here and post the link to the page. Dec 31 18:38:32 and we'll help you Dec 31 18:38:48 awesome, thanks. Dec 31 18:39:25 it's there: Dec 31 18:39:27 http://pastebin.com/d5da7613a Dec 31 18:40:11 that's MainScene-assistant.js, and MainScene-scene.html contains this relevant line:
Dec 31 18:40:37 noob_year there is no function "handleButtonPress. Dec 31 18:40:53 isn't that the very first function? Dec 31 18:40:57 and so when the tap occurs, the program goes and looks for handleButtonPress to run it, and there's nothing to run. Dec 31 18:41:02 yetdog: looks correct to me Dec 31 18:41:10 ah sorry missed it at the top Dec 31 18:41:26 doesn't that need to be AFTER the constructor? Dec 31 18:41:46 yeah jbjoerk, me too :/ yet when i pop that scene off, i can *still* rotate the app, and i dont want to Dec 31 18:41:49 I wouldn't know. I can try to move the function declaration Dec 31 18:42:03 move the handleButtonPress down to the bottom of the file. Dec 31 18:42:04 before hitting that scene, no rotation. after i go to it, and then go back, i *can* rotate :( Dec 31 18:42:15 ok, trying Dec 31 18:42:37 oooh, it works! Dec 31 18:42:55 except that the alert doesn't go away when I click the button. We have to do something for that to happen? Dec 31 18:42:56 you have to have instantiated functin MainSceneAssistant BEFORE you can add to it's prototype. Dec 31 18:43:31 when you click the button IN THE ALERT it doesn't go away? Dec 31 18:43:43 yetdog: and I presume you do the see deactivate log messages? Dec 31 18:43:48 yep, both show up Dec 31 18:43:49 crazy! Dec 31 18:43:51 ah, ok. I have almost no javascript experience, I didn't realize that Dec 31 18:44:04 i threw it in cleanup just for posterity but doesnt make a diff Dec 31 18:44:13 Rick: exactly. there's an unlabeled button in the alert, and clicking it does nothing. The alert stays up. Dec 31 18:44:14 noob_year: i didnt have any either, before coming in here Dec 31 18:44:25 now im pretty comfortable with it and have greatly expanded my app in just a couple weeks time Dec 31 18:44:26 yetdog: oh doh, sorry Dec 31 18:44:26 that's encouraging, yetdog :) Dec 31 18:44:31 yetdog: 2s Dec 31 18:44:41 you are not resetting this.controller.stageController.setWindowOrientation("free") Dec 31 18:44:55 oh ho - what should i reset it to? Dec 31 18:45:03 noob_year you have no onchoose or choices in your alert dialog call Dec 31 18:45:06 look documentation, "none" IIRC Dec 31 18:45:10 thanks :) brb Dec 31 18:45:12 ah no, "up" Dec 31 18:45:24 ah Dec 31 18:45:30 should i do that before/after the stoplistening? Dec 31 18:45:32 or doesnt it matter Dec 31 18:45:36 you gotta have at least one choice. "OK" and at least an onchoose that does exactlly nothing. function () {}; Dec 31 18:45:44 http://developer.palm.com/palm-sdk/jsdoc/symbols/Mojo.Controller.html#.showAlertDialog Dec 31 18:46:25 yetdog: after would be sensible, but in reality it probably doesn't matter Dec 31 18:46:39 yetdog: ie, you want to register callback before allowing rotation, and then disallow rotation before removing your callback Dec 31 18:46:44 hmm...seems to break the rotation believe it or not Dec 31 18:46:57 it doesnt rotate anymore when i pop, which is good Dec 31 18:47:03 but now it doesnt seem to work in the scene lol Dec 31 18:47:08 just resizes my image Dec 31 18:47:59 ok Rick, adding a label for the button fixed it, now the alert goes away when I click it. Yay! Thanks for the help :) Dec 31 18:48:06 nvm jbjoerk, i got it Dec 31 18:48:22 thank you SO much. didnt realize it would still flip even tho the listener was dead Dec 31 18:52:38 yetdog: np =) Dec 31 18:53:08 what do you guys get for user count in top command in terminal? Dec 31 18:56:51 Hi guys, anyone familiar with the details on the accelerometer? I'm wondering what the maximum acceleration it can measure is.. Dec 31 18:57:03 30Hz Dec 31 18:57:14 you can choose between 4 and 30 i believe Dec 31 18:57:16 Not sampling rate... acceleration Dec 31 18:57:20 AHHHH Dec 31 18:57:23 no idea Dec 31 18:57:29 ah...' Dec 31 18:57:35 good q..sorry misread Dec 31 18:57:37 thanks though.. am excited about the sample rate Dec 31 18:57:39 I suspect anything much more than 10g is going to break the crap out of the phone tho. Dec 31 18:57:53 no rick, not how fast my fist can move ;) Dec 31 18:58:08 Yeah, probably. The hardware they're using has a scale setting that allows you to select Dec 31 18:58:14 1G, 2G, 4G and 8G Dec 31 18:58:28 write a little app, log the accelleration, and drop the phone onto a hard surface from two or 3 feet and see what you get. Dec 31 18:58:46 * dsevil did some troubleshooting on why friendsbook is failing to install from the app catalog for some people, incase anyone cares... http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2119443&posted=1#post2119443 Dec 31 18:58:50 See, now, I was hoping to avoid that answer.. :) Dec 31 18:59:48 anyone else's app catalog icon disappear in the launcher after going to 1.3.5? Dec 31 18:59:55 the text is stil there, but its just a blank icon Dec 31 19:00:01 I still have it, but there are problems installing stuff sometimes Dec 31 19:00:12 and the app I'm working on is wonky now with touch events for some reason Dec 31 19:00:13 I'm trying to use eclipse and breakpoints, they don't seem to work. Is there something special I need to do, beyond "toggle breakpoint" on my button press handler? Dec 31 19:00:43 noob_year the debugger doesn't work in eclipse at all Dec 31 19:00:51 oh? bummer Dec 31 19:00:55 yeppers Dec 31 19:00:59 it works in ares. Dec 31 19:00:59 yetdog: my app catalog works just fine, except for the friendsbook issue. Dec 31 19:01:04 ok, how do I get a working debugger? Dec 31 19:01:04 but not in eclipse Dec 31 19:01:06 you'll find that that's the thing you'll like least about it, noob Dec 31 19:01:09 use ares. Dec 31 19:01:26 ares has a debugger?? Dec 31 19:01:37 how do I import my code into ares? Dec 31 19:02:20 thanks guys, catch you later Dec 31 19:02:46 well, gtg, I'll look into Ares later. Happy new year everyone! Dec 31 19:03:06 actually jbjoerk still having problems with rotation now...i rotate, and it just resizes the image, but doesnt flip it Dec 31 19:03:27 is it possible to link directly to an app detail page in the app catalog? Dec 31 19:03:49 yetdog: didn't look at the rest of the code.. what was the link again? Dec 31 19:04:58 jbjoerk http://webos.pastebin.com/m3659ac64 Dec 31 19:05:05 howdy folks Dec 31 19:05:14 heya LoneStar20! not 34 anymore? :) Dec 31 19:05:51 neah, new identity - maybe later - upgraded to win7 Dec 31 19:06:06 o sorry jbjoerk Dec 31 19:06:09 let me give u updated Dec 31 19:06:13 http://webos.pastebin.com/m21a831ac Dec 31 19:06:25 Happy New Years! Dec 31 19:06:31 Happy New Year Dec 31 19:06:31 Everyone! Dec 31 19:06:43 yetdog: seems you would like to set rotatin to free in the activate method Dec 31 19:07:04 yetdog: if you can push a scene and then go back to this one (if that's not the case, then setup is obviously fine) Dec 31 19:08:03 ah.. Dec 31 19:09:12 that was exactly it jbjoerk - thanks again! :) Dec 31 19:12:09 I see there are some VoIP clients finally arriving for WebOS. Does anybody know if there has been any development for secure VoIP yet? Dec 31 19:14:11 Wait, it says "Do not remove battery". Should I remove the battery?! -- I love the Forums Dec 31 19:14:28 It seems like Skype, voxofon and Google voice are available. Dec 31 19:15:20 I searched Google and webos-internals, but nobody has mentioned anything about Zfone or secure VoIP Dec 31 19:15:29 or PGP for that matter? Dec 31 19:16:03 because it doesnt exist at this point Dec 31 19:16:30 Not until we get a low level app that handles it Dec 31 19:16:44 and that would be a direct partner of palm if not palm itself Dec 31 19:16:53 cough or internals cough Dec 31 19:17:30 thanks CTLAdvance Dec 31 19:17:31 geostrings has arrived in app catalog. Dec 31 19:17:41 CTLAdvance the problem is that the dsp on the pre is currently hard to manage. Audio recording apps have had serious trouble. Dec 31 19:18:07 Yeah I agree, thats why I said mainly palm :/ Dec 31 19:18:21 for $2.99 Dec 31 19:18:25 seems reasonable Dec 31 19:19:43 Palm would need to work on the underlying framework in conjunction with what ever direct partner was developing an app. Dec 31 19:20:18 Unless the team can work something up but I think a bunch of palms infrastructure is proprietary if I am correct Dec 31 19:20:29 Which makes it harder to figure out Dec 31 19:41:51 Is there a font for bold and condensed? Dec 31 19:45:52 catalystmediastu: yeah, they're on the device Dec 31 19:45:55 both Dec 31 19:46:27 But how do I get them together. So bold and condensed in one. Is that also on the device? Dec 31 19:57:39 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Fonts_available_on_board_the_Pre Dec 31 19:58:09 catalystmediastu /usr/share/fonts/PreludeCondensed-Bold.ttf so.... yes Dec 31 19:58:34 Thank you so much! Dec 31 20:01:02 does anyone know if it is possible to link directly to an app detail page in the app catalog? Dec 31 20:01:13 share the link Dec 31 20:01:18 from w/in the app catalog, pick share Dec 31 20:01:22 send yourself an email, thats it :) Dec 31 20:01:27 natenrb9 share the app to your own email Dec 31 20:01:29 good idea Dec 31 20:01:31 nice Dec 31 20:01:35 it will send you the link Dec 31 20:01:37 thanks! Dec 31 20:07:17 Is it my imagination, or is there no 'send via bluetooth' option in the photo gallery? Dec 31 20:07:27 anyone running windows 7 64? Dec 31 20:07:45 me Dec 31 20:07:46 LoneStar20 i am Dec 31 20:08:35 how do i install the emulator in virtualbox? with vista 32 simply clicking on icon would install... Dec 31 20:09:02 get a quick flash of cmd prompt and that is it Dec 31 20:09:16 is java installed? Dec 31 20:09:30 i had that problem too, i had to use cmd to actually see the error message and it was cause java wasn't installed Dec 31 20:09:37 and it also has to be on PATH Dec 31 20:09:51 so maybe it's just not on PATH Dec 31 20:10:11 oh maybe not - how do I modify the path? Dec 31 20:10:35 control panel, system, advanced system settings, environment variables Dec 31 20:10:39 Java 6 Standard Edtion Dec 31 20:15:19 c:\Program Files\Palm\SDK\bin>palm-emulator.bat Dec 31 20:15:20 'java' is not recognized as an internal or external command, Dec 31 20:15:20 operable program or batch file. Dec 31 20:15:31 yes you need to put java.exe on PATH Dec 31 20:15:32 ahhh Dec 31 20:15:34 no path Dec 31 20:16:30 Rick_work: where do I add the Path? Dec 31 20:16:58 right click my computer, go to properties, click addvanced choose enviironment variables. Dec 31 20:17:13 wow, that's totally what i just said Dec 31 20:18:55 what is the proper thing to add... Dec 31 20:20:05 %PATH%;c:\java <-- depends on where your java.exe really lives Dec 31 20:20:19 note the semi colon very important Dec 31 20:20:20 the path of java.exe ... Dec 31 20:20:24 find your java.exe first. Dec 31 20:20:36 if you just look at the existing list of stuff in PATH it's not very difficult Dec 31 20:21:01 frickin lenovo "free upgrade to Win 7" web entry form is a pita Dec 31 20:21:21 i can type java in the command line and it pops up, but can not see any java directory Dec 31 20:22:11 and they want me to send them a proof of purchase. WHEN I ORDERED THE COMPUTER THROUGH THEIR WEBSITE! Dec 31 20:22:17 sorry for yelling. Dec 31 20:25:22 Rick_work: does this look right "%PATH%;C:\Program Files\Java\jre6\bin" Dec 31 20:25:30 yep Dec 31 20:25:41 ok brb - let me try Dec 31 20:27:24 Rick_work: it form box "Variable name:" and "Variable value:" Dec 31 20:30:35 Rick_work: a box with two fields pops up with "Variable name:" and "Variable value:"... Dec 31 20:31:14 LoneStar20 what does? Dec 31 20:31:37 LS20==LS34?? Dec 31 20:34:38 Rick_work: "Envirpnmental Variables" >> "New User Variable" Dec 31 20:35:19 jfelectron: LS20 = LS34 Dec 31 20:36:00 Does anyone know how to prevent focus changes? Dec 31 20:37:26 In text-boxes, clicking on the app menu preserves focus on the textbox, but if you have you have a button with a submenu, it destroys focus Dec 31 20:38:00 In the submenu I'm using exeCommand to set styles in the text-box Dec 31 20:53:00 Is there an issue with the app catalog not displaying some apps in 1.3.5? Dec 31 20:54:35 what is the url to the unofficial web catalog? Dec 31 20:54:53 lost the url since my os upgrade Dec 31 20:55:28 http://www.palm.com/us/products/software/mobile-applications.html Dec 31 20:55:43 that's the only one I know of…but it sucks…hasn't been updated in months Dec 31 20:56:57 there an unofficial one something like: catalog.webos.com or similar Dec 31 20:59:16 morning Dec 31 20:59:18 natenrb9: http://catalog.webosschool.com/#main Dec 31 20:59:21 morhing Dec 31 20:59:23 morning Dec 31 21:04:06 lonestar20: that is pretty sweet Dec 31 21:04:16 some great metrics Dec 31 21:04:57 yeah got the link passed in there Dec 31 21:06:14 here Dec 31 21:11:26 hi all Dec 31 21:11:42 I'm having an HTML page i'm loading Dec 31 21:12:01 i need to change some parameter in the html on the fly Dec 31 21:12:08 is it possible? Dec 31 21:15:11 yes Dec 31 21:16:05 how please Dec 31 21:16:40 Equilibrium I have insufficient data to answer that question. What exactly is it you want to do? Dec 31 21:16:47 i'm loading an html file with WebView Dec 31 21:17:02 but i need to edit this html file on the fly Dec 31 21:17:21 to enter some parameter which is a string Dec 31 21:18:18 is it possible with webos , to change files on the device? Dec 31 21:18:47 Eqiulibrium: Are you loading this from a local source? Dec 31 21:19:13 yes Dec 31 21:19:37 the html file is located in the "views" folder Dec 31 21:20:03 i just need to edit it before loading it with WebView Dec 31 21:22:48 why are you using webview?\ Dec 31 21:23:30 Rick: will Mojo.View.render work with a 'real' HTML file? Dec 31 21:24:17 The string he wants to insert dynamically would be the model and there would just be #{insertString} within the file somewhere Dec 31 21:24:34 Equilibrium: why don't you do a ajax call to the file... Dec 31 21:24:35 i'm using an api supplied by a certain site i have to use there html file Dec 31 21:27:20 thats the file Dec 31 21:27:21 http://platform.fatsecret.com/api/static/sample/loading_content/food.html Dec 31 21:27:39 Oh...so you can fetch it. Dec 31 21:27:47 is it possible to use that code without loading the entire html file? Dec 31 21:27:59 sorry if it's a begginers wuestion Dec 31 21:28:17 As LS20 said, do an AJAX.Request....the file will be responseText Dec 31 21:29:04 I just don't know how to load content into a Webview from anything other than a local or remote file Dec 31 21:29:16 My impression was that you couldn't Dec 31 21:31:30 Equilibrium: http://www.prototypejs.org/api/ajax/request Dec 31 21:31:52 you can't. Not into a webview. Dec 31 21:32:00 but I see no REASON to use a webview. Dec 31 21:33:29 Equilibrium what are you wanting to do with that data once you have it? In what way are you wanting to modify it? Dec 31 21:34:30 what _I_ would do is ajax request it, modify the information any way you want, and then do a $('divID').update = mystring where the divID is the id of some div on your scene, instead of a webview Dec 31 21:34:53 yup Dec 31 21:36:56 Yup Dec 31 21:37:00 what i want to do is add a search phrase to the search api , in order to retrive a data Dec 31 21:37:54 the search phrase is determine in the UI of the scene , so the user write the search phrase Dec 31 21:38:16 i place it on the html file and open it Dec 31 21:40:53 Is this a form you are submitting? Dec 31 21:41:10 Is this string normally encoded in the URL? Dec 31 21:42:24 the file is built that way: Dec 31 21:42:28 Dec 31 21:42:28 Dec 31 21:42:36 Dec 31 21:42:38 Dec 31 21:42:40 Dec 31 21:42:42
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Dec 31 21:42:50 Dec 31 21:43:12 what i want to do is edit the "banana" string with any string the user has entered Dec 31 21:44:58 uh Dec 31 21:45:08 Equilibrium that's not the best way to accomplish that. Dec 31 21:45:32 Need to figure out what URL the search is being posted to Dec 31 21:45:40 and just do that directly Dec 31 21:46:38 and the problem with THAT is that the site returns a LIST of possibilities for each food name Dec 31 21:46:48 corn flakes for example Dec 31 21:46:59 returns 111 Dec 31 21:48:11 The API is documented: http://platform.fatsecret.com/api/Default.aspx?screen=jsapih Dec 31 21:48:40 Rick: well.....I guess it for different brands and such Dec 31 21:48:49 nodnod Dec 31 21:49:08 what he wants is the REST api Dec 31 21:49:27 yes Dec 31 21:49:30 http://platform.fatsecret.com/api/Default.aspx?screen=rapiref Dec 31 21:49:35 just got to that Dec 31 21:49:46 All URL encoded....sweet Dec 31 21:50:40 in the foods.search method you can limit the no. of items returned Dec 31 21:51:19 yep Dec 31 21:51:37 Definitely get JSON response, leverage Prototype's parsing there Dec 31 21:51:53 right Dec 31 21:52:34 Equilibrium -- you need to do some reading on ajax and json and do a few ajax and json tutorials on various web sites. Then come back to the REST api in the fatsecret site and look at implementing it. Dec 31 21:52:44 Make it run in a regular browser first. Then port it to mojo Dec 31 21:53:17 Prob with that is that only Safari seems to allow violation of single origin Dec 31 21:53:24 On OSX anyhow Dec 31 21:53:28 so do it in safari. Dec 31 21:53:33 who cares? Dec 31 21:53:41 thanks guys Dec 31 21:53:49 It doesn't matter.....just so they know Dec 31 21:54:50 he just has to implement two calls food.search -- get a list, pick from it, and then food.get. Dec 31 21:54:53 Simple dimple Dec 31 21:55:08 yeppers Dec 31 21:55:26 and they're all cute restful json. Dec 31 21:55:42 I know....I wish the API I'm using now were as nice Dec 31 21:55:53 nodnodnod. Dec 31 21:56:05 I wanna bang my head sometimes. Dec 31 21:56:30 thanks guys Dec 31 21:56:53 welcome he-who-probably-used-to-be-equilibrium Dec 31 21:57:50 how does fatsecret make money? Dec 31 21:58:05 oh good, there's an oauth library in javascript on the google code library Dec 31 21:59:03 nice....G uses OAuth extensively in their APIs, so that makes sense Dec 31 22:01:02 jfelectron I think this an example of "Develop it and hope that you attract enough eyeballs that someone comes and buys you." Dec 31 22:01:09 sort of like youtube did. Dec 31 22:01:25 or -- who was it that used to be before they became google-voice. them. Dec 31 22:01:52 nice api, good website, good community building tools. Dec 31 22:02:01 lol...yeah....somehow nutrition info seems less likely to go viral than either of those though Dec 31 22:02:14 They might have paid accounts in the future Dec 31 22:02:19 obiesity epidemic proportions. Dec 31 22:03:22 True Dec 31 22:03:37 it was embedded in once homebrew application Dec 31 22:05:19 (change topic abruptly) Do events percolate up or down the commander chain? Dec 31 22:05:53 jfelectron yes. Dec 31 22:06:12 they go down -- most elements ignore them as they go down, then they come back up until something stops them Dec 31 22:10:01 Hmmm....but how does stopPropagation work then? My impression was that it 'catches' it in the scene so it doesn't propagate up. Dec 31 22:10:14 right Dec 31 22:10:16 it works fine Dec 31 22:10:28 but if you want to stop it on the way DOWN you have to take extra steps. Dec 31 22:10:36 most elements IGNORE it on the way down. Dec 31 22:10:44 and it gets stopped on the way UP. Dec 31 22:13:04 I have this conundrum. The RichTextEdit widget is setup to use commands in the App menu to set Bold etc. Dec 31 22:13:13 I'd rather use buttons within the scene Dec 31 22:13:31 Prob is that while the App Menu doesn't blur the textfield, touching buttons does Dec 31 22:20:39 so it does. Dec 31 22:20:59 can you just unblur it on the handler for the button and set focus back to where it needs? Dec 31 22:21:00 ahhh....I think preventDefault is the key Dec 31 22:21:12 prob is once it is blurred...cursor position is lost Dec 31 22:21:23 so is a selection if present Dec 31 22:21:35 ahhh sucks to be you. Dec 31 22:23:24 awww....thanks Rick Dec 31 22:23:33 you're so welcome Dec 31 22:23:36 * Rick_work going home now Dec 31 22:23:38 later Dec 31 22:23:46 ciao..bastard Dec 31 22:23:54 :) Dec 31 22:35:40 anyone know the html link to open the catalog? Dec 31 22:36:35 I think you'll want to to a cross-app launch Dec 31 22:36:50 I assume you want to launch the catalog from your app? Dec 31 22:36:57 Or is this some other 'catalog'? Dec 31 22:37:23 yeah Dec 31 22:37:35 there are links directly to apps in the catalog Dec 31 22:37:52 so there must be an html link to the catalog Dec 31 22:41:12 have you looked through the Catalog app's code? Dec 31 22:41:34 I don't know what the new path is...just tried to find it myself Jan 01 00:02:46 ugh.. Jan 01 00:03:04 im getting sick of this $1.00 auth from paypal every week.. but it goes away but its starting to worry me Jan 01 00:07:13 Anyone figured out how to write a file to the media partition via a palm-blessed api? Jan 01 00:07:38 heh Jan 01 00:07:41 I can download a remote file easily enough, but I want to write local data, and I don't see a way to do it Jan 01 00:07:46 kinda backwards... Jan 01 00:07:51 since i got my pre, my txting went from 300avg to 1500avg Jan 01 00:08:44 in August i used 1,993,288kb of data :P Jan 01 00:09:34 haeefb? Jan 01 00:09:41 Hey there Jan 01 00:11:29 howdy Jan 01 00:12:50 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTo-wFfIXKo Jan 01 00:43:45 hey haeffe, you awake? Jan 01 00:44:26 hmm Jan 01 00:44:50 yo Jan 01 00:45:06 hey, you are so many here.. Jan 01 00:45:19 sending email with attachment Jan 01 00:45:22 i just saw a blog post saying that webos pre release developers got a $100 amazon gift card Jan 01 00:45:26 sitting in pizza hut waiting 4 carryout Jan 01 00:45:26 did any of you get one? Jan 01 00:45:44 it was on engadget and a few other sites Jan 01 00:45:51 pizza slut? ew.. Jan 01 00:46:10 ok. will install wen I get home. Jan 01 00:46:51 yeah. wife saw an 'any pizza $10' deal & it stuck in her head Jan 01 00:47:36 seigex: I got one Jan 01 00:47:44 is it done? Jan 01 00:47:48 weird Jan 01 00:47:54 i think so. nav is REALLY cool.. Jan 01 00:47:55 i never got one.. but i think my address has changed Jan 01 00:48:22 seigex: yes Jan 01 00:48:23 check your dev account Jan 01 00:48:34 which one the old or new one? Jan 01 00:48:36 look me up l8r when u get a chance. gotta get some REAL food. Jan 01 00:48:48 old or new? Jan 01 00:49:00 prerelease.palm.com or developer.palm.com Jan 01 00:49:19 cus i don't see anything about it ... Jan 01 00:49:31 developer and check your address Jan 01 00:50:01 already tried didn't see anything that has my address on it in my account settings.. guess i'll have to send Chuq an email Jan 01 00:53:46 I'm trying to use Ares browser preview, but when I click it some text flashes "Browser Preview..." in the upper right for a second and then nothing happens. ANy ideas? Jan 01 00:54:02 use firefox Jan 01 00:54:14 it doesn't work in IE for some reason Jan 01 00:54:29 I tried in Chrome and Safari, I'll see if FF works, thanks for the tip :) Jan 01 00:54:30 IE's not supported Jan 01 00:54:36 yo destinal Jan 01 00:54:38 long time no see Jan 01 00:54:39 but FF, chrome and safari are Jan 01 00:54:40 FF 3.5+ Jan 01 00:54:41 seigex: hey Jan 01 00:54:49 destinal... did u get ur $100 gift card?? Jan 01 00:58:02 hmm nevermind .. i never submitted my apps.. reported bugs and beta tested the software.. guess you had to submit apps to be elidgable Jan 01 01:01:27 hi all! Jan 01 01:01:32 seigex: I didn't get any gift card either. Jan 01 01:01:39 hi Jen Jan 01 01:01:52 hey guys Jan 01 01:01:52 but that's cool with me. they gave us SDL instead :-) Jan 01 01:01:57 rwhitby, sigh ... oh well .. $100 in amazon purchases would have been nice Jan 01 01:02:02 hey JenP - run DOOM yet? Jan 01 01:02:14 true true true Jan 01 01:02:14 no...whatcha talking about? Jan 01 01:02:32 waiting for Quake 2 to be ported :D Jan 01 01:02:39 or at least quake 1 Jan 01 01:02:41 tf Jan 01 01:02:41 barney doom Jan 01 01:02:46 JenP: http://youtube.com/webosinternals Jan 01 01:03:06 jenp Jan 01 01:03:08 ugg.. i just got moved into developing java for my department :( Jan 01 01:03:13 i'm writing blackberry apps Jan 01 01:03:14 sigh Jan 01 01:03:15 watching now! Jan 01 01:03:28 hi haeffb hi Bmyers!! Jan 01 01:03:51 i'm about to go to my 3rd palm pre.. my first one died.. my second one they gave me a friggin refurb Jan 01 01:03:53 and its almost dead Jan 01 01:05:03 OMG this is so cool! Jan 01 01:05:23 geeze watchin this brings back some memories Jan 01 01:05:44 did they write a launcher for doom? no more terminal? Jan 01 01:06:03 that was great! Jan 01 01:07:02 seigex: ah, I didn't know they weer giving out gifts Jan 01 01:07:21 destinal, yeah but i have a feeling its only for those who submitted apps not behind the scenes Jan 01 01:07:42 hi JenP Jan 01 01:07:50 hey bmyers! Jan 01 01:08:11 big plans for new years? Jan 01 01:08:26 Bmyers: http://bit.ly/6a9IkG Jan 01 01:08:28 <--- about to go buy a bottle of jack Jan 01 01:08:35 or drink my apfelwein i made about a year ago Jan 01 01:08:50 nope...gonna code...eat chocolate...and watch a few scary movies Jan 01 01:09:22 mmm code Jan 01 01:09:23 twlight zone marathon.. Jan 01 01:09:29 very nice Jan 01 01:09:40 it's weird watching it for hours on end.. Jan 01 01:09:43 i have to VPN into my work intranet in a few minutes to finish up an app Jan 01 01:09:53 kinda like.... the twlight zone for REAL!! Jan 01 01:10:02 lol Jan 01 01:11:16 it's in the work Rod? that was a 12 page thread.. Jan 01 01:11:25 paranormal activity....via amazon on demand Jan 01 01:11:33 Bmyers: in the works Jan 01 01:11:37 maybe a day or two Jan 01 01:11:41 before CES I hope :-) Jan 01 01:11:43 hmm i wonder if they have it on zune for the xbox Jan 01 01:11:49 fun fun.. Jan 01 01:12:02 u goin' to CES? Jan 01 01:12:05 i cant wait to roast my battery faster then ever b4.. Jan 01 01:12:13 nope, I'm in Australia Jan 01 01:12:16 oh yeah Jan 01 01:12:29 i think CES cards at the door... Jan 01 01:12:34 i'm hoping to hit the last two days .. gotta work thursday :( Jan 01 01:12:49 seigex where are you located? Jan 01 01:12:57 riverside, ca Jan 01 01:13:00 about 3 hours south Jan 01 01:13:09 san diego... Jan 01 01:13:25 ah cool..nice and cool down there Jan 01 01:13:32 yeah Jan 01 01:13:56 son of a bitch.. i didn't realize if i registered before 10/1 i woulda got in for free Jan 01 01:14:11 ? Jan 01 01:14:14 for CES Jan 01 01:14:18 ohhh Jan 01 01:14:22 Before October 1, 2009: FREE Jan 01 01:14:22 October 1, 2009: $100 Jan 01 01:14:23 5:01 p.m. EST, January 2, 2010: $200 Jan 01 01:14:30 OMG Jan 01 01:14:34 what a racket.. Jan 01 01:14:37 geeze... Jan 01 01:14:42 go buy shoes instead Jan 01 01:14:56 haha Jan 01 01:15:04 TQOS Jan 01 01:15:06 shoes my ass.. i need a new processor Jan 01 01:15:10 hehe Jan 01 01:15:19 a nice core i9 when they come out Jan 01 01:15:31 nah....shoes... Jan 01 01:15:42 any see that google powered itouch thingie? Jan 01 01:15:50 actually i need a new starter clutch for my motorcycle but my wife keeps taking all my money Jan 01 01:15:53 no what's that? Jan 01 01:16:12 nah only thing i heard about google recently is the nexus one Jan 01 01:16:20 like a 5x7 itouch that runs google droid stuff but no phone.. Jan 01 01:16:41 interesting Jan 01 01:16:48 buddy at radio shack showed me Jan 01 01:16:56 i'm actually contemplating getting a hero if it moves to android 2.1 Jan 01 01:17:21 i love webos and believe in it wholeheartedly..i'm ultra-disappointed in the Palm Pre hardware Jan 01 01:18:30 well then u must love the pixi Jan 01 01:18:40 it comes in colors.. Jan 01 01:23:32 hah no thanks Jan 01 01:26:31 bbl Jan 01 01:26:43 installing now Jan 01 01:27:41 how do I get rid of all these faux-haeffb's ? Jan 01 01:28:27 i haven't played with a pixi .. though i, too, am very careful with my pre because it doesn't feel 100% solid in my hands Jan 01 01:28:51 my replacement Pre is much more solid than the original Jan 01 01:29:07 as far as slider Jan 01 01:31:45 does komodo have a diff function? Jan 01 01:33:08 well.. Jan 01 01:42:15 happy new year Jan 01 01:43:18 19:41 here. Still a ways to go. Jan 01 01:45:57 it's already 2:45 am over here Jan 01 01:46:04 it's the future :D Jan 01 01:46:10 hows the future?! Jan 01 01:46:32 Still no flying cars Jan 01 01:46:36 :( Jan 01 01:46:38 watching bugs bunny mania on television Jan 01 01:46:45 good. My job depends on cars with wheels. Jan 01 01:57:56 I've got a problem Jan 01 01:58:03 palm-install works, or appears to Jan 01 01:58:05 oh noes :( Jan 01 01:58:21 but then palm-launch says "palm-launch: application com.otisbean.keyring not found" Jan 01 01:58:40 All this works fine in the emulator Jan 01 01:58:51 but when I try to install to the phone, I get the above Jan 01 01:58:55 anyone run into this? Jan 01 02:19:56 have any of you used palm-package since the 1.3.5 SDK came out? Jan 01 02:20:11 Looks like the ipk it's building won't install Jan 01 02:38:09 ok, they'll install on the emulator, but not on the phone (via palm-install or file-coaster) Jan 01 02:38:15 wtf is going on here? Jan 01 02:39:32 when in doubt, power cycle... Jan 01 02:47:35 I *love* this: "it is acceptable to call noticeUpdatedItems() immediately or at any later time. However, lengthy delays may cause various scrolling artifacts" Jan 01 02:47:46 that''s killing me Jan 01 02:48:31 They should have wrote: 'we can't figure out how to make lists behave properly when you add content, so good luck!' Jan 01 02:50:57 kridx1: I haven't had any issues installing on device Jan 01 02:59:24 jfelectron: you probably need more drawers in your lists Jan 01 02:59:43 lol....drawers in drawers in drawers **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jan 01 02:59:56 2010