**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jan 02 02:59:57 2010
Jan 02 03:01:30 <jfelectron> I don't the failures.....internally note error or popup dialog if its really bad
Jan 02 03:01:34 <jfelectron> I don't wrap
Jan 02 03:02:22 <jfelectron> You should only tie things together if they are truly dependent
Jan 02 03:02:44 <jfelectron> if not, you could get screwed if one returns but the other doesn't but you still have content to display from the first
Jan 02 03:03:45 <haeffb> getting close
Jan 02 03:09:21 <g073nks> argh!!!i can't get any thing to work (other then layout) in ares :(
Jan 02 03:10:44 <Bmyers> jf: does it make sense to wrap and wait for just 1 callback or thats not what this is used for?
Jan 02 03:11:08 <gfxcomplex> Hello everyone, any room here for a AS3 developer?
Jan 02 03:11:27 <jfelectron> Hmm...interesting...but why not just call that function at the end of the callback function?
Jan 02 03:12:15 <jfelectron> using the synchronizer could enable a more general callback that is followed by a chosen function call
Jan 02 03:12:37 <jfelectron> potentially makes it more modular
Jan 02 03:13:55 <gfxcomplex> does anyone have a link to were I can get info about the eclipse plugins?
Jan 02 03:14:49 <haeffb> ok, let's revisit.
Jan 02 03:14:52 <jfelectron> I'd recommend Komodo plus the Templarian WebOS plugin
Jan 02 03:15:02 <Bmyers> JF
Jan 02 03:15:05 <jfelectron> But if you want eclipse: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1639
Jan 02 03:15:09 <gfxcomplex> Thank you
Jan 02 03:15:40 <jfelectron> revisit what exactly?
Jan 02 03:15:41 <gfxcomplex> I'm a flash/flex developer so I already use eclipse for mxml and as3
Jan 02 03:15:42 <haeffb> I want to insert three rows into database in one executeSql call
Jan 02 03:16:03 <jfelectron> I'm a DB noob, no help here
Jan 02 03:17:02 <haeffb> sql = "INSERT INTO 'categories' (label) VALUES ('Unfiled'); INSERT INTO 'categories' (label) VALUES ('Business'); INSERT INTO 'categories' VALUES ('Personal');";
Jan 02 03:17:07 <haeffb> works or not works?
Jan 02 03:18:41 <jfelectron> My understanding is that the semi-colons are the delimiter for separate ops
Jan 02 03:19:22 <jfelectron> gtg....bbl
Jan 02 03:21:24 <gfxcomplex> here is a cool site I have used for sql string
Jan 02 03:21:27 <gfxcomplex> http://ondras.zarovi.cz/sql/demo/
Jan 02 03:22:09 <gfxcomplex> oops wrong site
Jan 02 03:22:36 <gfxcomplex> hmm, have lost link.  I will have to give that later
Jan 02 03:28:06 <Bmyers> http://tetontech.wordpress.com/2008/08/12/executing-multiple-statements-in-a-sqllite-transaction/
Jan 02 03:28:23 <Bmyers> that looks like what you are trying to do i think haeffb
Jan 02 03:28:26 * Templarian puts the ends of his fingers together and grins.
Jan 02 03:30:26 <haeffb> huh. that's different than what I tried. Maybe that one will actually work.
Jan 02 03:33:28 <JenP> hi all!
Jan 02 03:34:21 <haeffb> woohoooo!
Jan 02 03:34:27 <haeffb> that did it Bmyers
Jan 02 03:34:31 <haeffb> hi jenp
Jan 02 03:34:49 <JenP> hi ya
Jan 02 03:35:17 <Bmyers> hoot hoot!
Jan 02 03:35:45 <haeffb> here's the working code: http://www.pastie.org/763671
Jan 02 03:37:09 <haeffb> now, how do i call a function in AppAssistant from a sceneAssistant?
Jan 02 03:37:39 <Tibfib> haeffb: is the app assistant global?
Jan 02 03:38:07 <Bmyers> hi jenp, do you still have BO?
Jan 02 03:38:17 <JenP> lol
Jan 02 03:38:23 <JenP> nope took a shower
Jan 02 03:38:26 <Bmyers> did u get my earlier msg?
Jan 02 03:38:36 <Bmyers> BOyfirend?
Jan 02 03:38:43 <JenP> lol
Jan 02 03:38:44 <JenP> yes
Jan 02 03:38:50 <JenP> yes i still have a boyfriend
Jan 02 03:39:02 <JenP> and almost ready to submit his app
Jan 02 03:39:17 <Bmyers> yeah.. good.. almost ready?
Jan 02 03:40:21 <JenP> i think so...but there's still a little thing bugging me
Jan 02 03:42:37 <gfxcomplex> I know that I can use the emulator, but I did not know that I could have the phone it's self run the app.  In eclips I have two targets to run the app in Palm Deveice and Emulator. Does any one know how I would set the phone up to use instead of the emulator?
Jan 02 03:43:46 <gfxcomplex> I have the phone is dev mode and have it usb'd to my pc
Jan 02 03:43:56 <haeffb> in eclipse, when you set up a run configuration, you get to choose the target
Jan 02 03:43:59 <haeffb> emu or device
Jan 02 03:44:03 <gfxcomplex> right
Jan 02 03:44:27 <haeffb> so, choose whichever you want
Jan 02 03:44:27 <gfxcomplex> I have set the target to device but I cant get it to see the phone
Jan 02 03:44:39 <haeffb> on what OS?
Jan 02 03:44:51 <gfxcomplex> Win7 64bi
Jan 02 03:45:17 <haeffb> can you do palm-install from cmd prompt?
Jan 02 03:45:26 <gfxcomplex> yes
Jan 02 03:45:29 <gfxcomplex> novacom is running
Jan 02 03:45:38 <gfxcomplex> and I have the phone in dev mode
Jan 02 03:46:32 <gfxcomplex> I have tried to set the phone to all three modes charge/drive/sync and nothing works
Jan 02 03:46:36 <haeffb> if you can palm-install -d usb from cmd prompt, you should be able to launch from emu. That's all it does, I believe.
Jan 02 03:46:46 <haeffb> use just charge
Jan 02 03:47:03 <haeffb> i mean launch from eclipse, not emu
Jan 02 03:47:32 <gfxcomplex> when I have palm-installed it went to the emu
Jan 02 03:47:53 <haeffb> palm-install -d usb
Jan 02 03:47:55 <gfxcomplex> and I can't use palm-* unless I'm running the emu
Jan 02 03:48:04 <gfxcomplex> I have not tried -d yet
Jan 02 03:48:16 <gfxcomplex> I will give the a go
Jan 02 03:48:32 <haeffb> I don't do 64-bit, so don't know if there's special setup required.
Jan 02 03:49:05 <gfxcomplex> palm-install device "usb" not found
Jan 02 03:49:41 <Bmyers> does the novacom drivers do 64bit yet?
Jan 02 03:49:46 <haeffb> dunno.
Jan 02 03:49:56 <gfxcomplex> thanks any how
Jan 02 03:50:05 <haeffb> I'm sure they do, but don't know if you have to install special drivers
Jan 02 03:50:52 <gfxcomplex> hoot it works now
Jan 02 03:50:59 <gfxcomplex> I just reconned the device
Jan 02 03:51:12 <haeffb> suite
Jan 02 03:51:26 <gfxcomplex> did a "palm-install -d usb -l and got all my installs listed out
Jan 02 03:51:37 <gfxcomplex> thanks for the help
Jan 02 03:52:57 <gfxcomplex> Thats really cool. I always thought I would have to submit my app to palm before I could install in on to the phone
Jan 02 03:53:06 <gfxcomplex> This kicks ass
Jan 02 03:53:27 <gfxcomplex> I'm making good head way for my first day developing on the webOS
Jan 02 03:53:52 <Bmyers> congrats to you..
Jan 02 03:54:40 <gfxcomplex> I wonder if we will be able to embed flash SWF files when the new player is supported
Jan 02 03:55:08 <gfxcomplex> I have been developing flash for over 4 years now and that would really cool if  that happends
Jan 02 03:56:28 <gfxcomplex> Does any one know if the flash player will be embedded in the web browser or the webOS
Jan 02 03:59:52 <jfelectron> interesting question....I haven't heard anything other than browser
Jan 02 04:01:41 <Bmyers> webos is a browser isnt it?
Jan 02 04:04:09 <zsoc> Bmyers: more of an internet\
Jan 02 04:08:06 <gfxcomplex> webkit is the brower for webOS
Jan 02 04:08:20 <gfxcomplex> I should had said webkit and not browser
Jan 02 04:09:12 <gfxcomplex> from what I know though webOS uses webkit I dont think it's built on the webkit
Jan 02 04:09:37 <haeffb> webOS is a browser that runs my javascript, html, css code
Jan 02 04:10:03 <jfelectron> it does, but they are separate
Jan 02 04:10:11 <gfxcomplex> the webOS uses the safire webkit  to render out the html
Jan 02 04:10:30 <haeffb> webOS is linux
Jan 02 04:10:47 <gfxcomplex> I think it's the webkit that the flash player is being installed in
Jan 02 04:10:49 <jfelectron> the GUI layer is a webkit engine
Jan 02 04:11:05 <jfelectron> it is, but it still might be limited to the browser
Jan 02 04:11:28 <jfelectron> would be silly not to open up app dev to flash devs though IMO
Jan 02 04:11:57 <gfxcomplex> I think that would open a huge flood of new apps
Jan 02 04:12:04 <jfelectron> I agree
Jan 02 04:12:33 <jfelectron> canvas animations are one thing, flash is another beast entirely
Jan 02 04:13:24 <gfxcomplex> the best way to find out is to use the index.html in the app place an object tag for a flash player and see if it loads
Jan 02 04:13:48 <gfxcomplex> just wish that the new player was supported all ready
Jan 02 04:14:25 <gfxcomplex> it's already in beta at labs.adobe.com
Jan 02 04:14:37 <gfxcomplex> I have it installed on my pc
Jan 02 04:14:51 <gfxcomplex> there has been some really good updates to it
Jan 02 04:16:16 <gfxcomplex> with the accelerometer  and gps support that will be cool to see new games and maps come out.
Jan 02 04:16:45 <gfxcomplex> that and I have seen some new stuff about gpu support now
Jan 02 04:17:02 <gfxcomplex> I think I seen a version of Doom on the pre at precental.net
Jan 02 04:17:20 <Bmyers> doom is opengl sdl
Jan 02 04:17:40 <gfxcomplex> right, I know it's not on flash
Jan 02 04:17:48 <gfxcomplex> but the gpu support has to be there
Jan 02 04:18:43 <gfxcomplex> I dont know if flash has been working with opengl but it has been doing alot in the gpu world
Jan 02 04:19:40 <jfelectron> opengl exposes more direct hardware access than flash does
Jan 02 04:20:05 <gfxcomplex> is that c/++?
Jan 02 04:21:00 <jfelectron> The bindings vary...but generally yeah
Jan 02 04:21:33 <jfelectron> they might try to abstract things through javascript bindings
Jan 02 04:21:34 <gfxcomplex> I ment for the version of doom on the pre
Jan 02 04:21:54 <gfxcomplex> yeah, I did not think they could do that with javascript
Jan 02 04:22:08 <jfelectron> oh yeah...I think the port is C++, webos-internals ppl didn't port it per se
Jan 02 04:22:22 <Roy-Pre101> If you take a look at the post on PreCentral, they did a pretty good textured 3D with javascript + canvas.
Jan 02 04:22:24 <jfelectron> they figures out how to load SDL apps onto the Pre
Jan 02 04:22:30 <Roy-Pre101> But, no, it's not doom
Jan 02 04:22:44 <gfxcomplex> ahh
Jan 02 04:22:48 <gfxcomplex> I did not read it
Jan 02 04:23:01 <gfxcomplex> just grazed past
Jan 02 04:23:18 <Bmyers> didnt read the post on precentral
Jan 02 04:23:31 <jfelectron> didn't see it either
Jan 02 04:23:33 <Bmyers> just prewared when Rod said it was up and started killing
Jan 02 04:39:53 <haeffb> Bmyers: email.
Jan 02 04:42:26 <Bmyers> k
Jan 02 04:43:51 <haeffb> bedtime for me. later
Jan 02 04:44:49 <LoneStar20> good evening everyone!
Jan 02 04:46:11 <Bmyers> l8r haeffeb
Jan 02 04:46:22 <Bmyers> hello LS20
Jan 02 04:48:34 <LoneStar20> hello
Jan 02 04:48:48 <LoneStar20> how was your news years?
Jan 02 04:54:55 <geist> had some good scotch at a great pub
Jan 02 04:55:29 <LoneStar20> nice
Jan 02 04:55:42 <LoneStar20> what scotch?
Jan 02 04:55:52 <geist> i didn't write it down
Jan 02 04:56:16 <LoneStar20> single malt?
Jan 02 04:56:18 <geist> but it was a great pub/restaurant
Jan 02 04:56:20 <Bmyers> not too bad I guess LS
Jan 02 04:56:26 <geist> Martin's West
Jan 02 04:56:34 <geist> it's new, just opened in redwood city
Jan 02 04:57:01 <geist> the owner guy is a real conissour, really passionate about his stuff
Jan 02 04:57:08 <LoneStar20> Scotch is good!
Jan 02 04:57:29 <LoneStar20> Bmyers: great to hear!
Jan 02 04:57:35 <Bmyers> how bout u?
Jan 02 04:57:59 <LoneStar20> the chillest New Years ever very calm
Jan 02 04:58:56 <Bmyers> cilli in texas?
Jan 02 04:59:07 <Bmyers> chilli...
Jan 02 04:59:45 <LoneStar20> yeah south texas
Jan 02 04:59:55 <Bmyers> what was it list 50?
Jan 02 05:00:03 <Bmyers> what was it like 50?
Jan 02 05:00:14 <LoneStar20> yeah
Jan 02 05:00:16 <Bmyers> (geeze, i need sleep. cant spell)
Jan 02 05:00:30 <Bmyers> i feel your pain. it snowed here in NY
Jan 02 05:02:50 <Bmyers> i gonna get some z's c u l8r LS20..
Jan 02 05:08:41 <LoneStar20> geist: right on, you don't usually drink scotch?
Jan 02 05:09:04 <LoneStar20> Laters Bmyers!
Jan 02 05:10:20 <geist> not usually
Jan 02 05:10:27 <geist> actually i dont really like whiskey that much
Jan 02 05:10:38 <geist> but a little last night i could deal with
Jan 02 05:10:56 <LoneStar20> i like it, but do not drink to often
Jan 02 05:16:28 <LoneStar20> geist: how is your webos development going?
Jan 02 05:17:34 <geist> it goes
Jan 02 05:17:58 <bpadalino> getting bored of it yet ?
Jan 02 05:18:36 <LoneStar20> not really, just long hours developing....
Jan 02 05:21:04 <haeffb_wirc> webOS development is like playing a slot machine. drop in a quarter, hit run, and see if it works
Jan 02 05:21:23 <haeffb_wirc> then do it again
Jan 02 05:21:55 <LoneStar20> yeah, endless tests on the emulator
Jan 02 05:24:40 <LoneStar20> does anyone know how webOS school gets all the stat information?
Jan 02 05:25:17 <LoneStar20> from the app store?
Jan 02 05:34:31 <kesne> Is Roy-Pre101 here?
Jan 02 05:34:52 <Roy-Pre101> no
Jan 02 05:34:56 <Roy-Pre101> wait, I see him
Jan 02 05:35:03 <LoneStar20> there he is
Jan 02 05:35:03 <kesne> :P
Jan 02 06:36:44 <lohwinsheng> which countries are eligible for the webos developer program?
Jan 02 06:39:14 <LoneStar20> i think only us, but not sure
Jan 02 06:39:30 <lohwinsheng> i can't seem to find any information on it
Jan 02 06:40:02 <lohwinsheng> it just seems all you need is a paypal account to get paid
Jan 02 06:40:49 <LoneStar20> the only apps right now that can be paid are US apps
Jan 02 06:41:08 <lohwinsheng> isnt the palm pre only sold in the US?
Jan 02 06:41:50 <LoneStar20> i think, germany, uk, spain, any maybe some other countries
Jan 02 06:43:13 <lohwinsheng> i'll try and sign up and see
Jan 02 06:45:32 <LoneStar20> yeah
Jan 02 06:45:44 <LoneStar20> where u from?
Jan 02 06:45:59 <lohwinsheng> malaysia
Jan 02 06:46:59 <LoneStar20> cool
Jan 02 06:49:45 <LoneStar20> have you began to develop an app?
Jan 02 06:50:19 <lohwinsheng> nope
Jan 02 06:53:31 <Tibfib1> I got a quick question for developers with apps in the catalog...
Jan 02 06:53:38 <LoneStar20> yeah
Jan 02 06:53:43 <Tibfib1> Does palm look at your code? or just run the application?
Jan 02 06:54:02 <LoneStar20> not reallly sure, i wonder the same
Jan 02 06:54:21 <Tibfib1> Hmmm because at the moment, my code isn't very pretty, but it works.
Jan 02 06:54:37 <LoneStar20> if it works, it works
Jan 02 06:54:43 <Tibfib1> I'm planning on making it more efficient with updates and am just wondering If palm will care
Jan 02 06:54:47 <Tibfib1> ah great
Jan 02 06:54:48 <Tibfib1> thanks
Jan 02 06:55:26 <LoneStar20> submitted some ugly code myself, but will be fixed the same
Jan 02 06:56:00 <Tibfib1> Yeah considering I've been working on this application since I started coding, it needs clean up
Jan 02 06:57:26 <lohwinsheng> is publishing on the palm device app catalog launched yet?
Jan 02 06:58:24 <LoneStar20> have built some web services with some ugly code and just keep upgrading it
Jan 02 06:59:11 <LoneStar20> good question... about the launch... not sure
Jan 02 06:59:42 <lohwinsheng> yeah, the 99$ program
Jan 02 07:00:33 <LoneStar20> lohwinsheng: not yet pretty sure
Jan 02 07:01:17 <lohwinsheng> so for now, users only buy apps from a web store?
Jan 02 07:02:19 <LoneStar20> yeah i think so
Jan 02 07:06:06 <rick_home> but that is to change after Jan 7
Jan 02 07:06:44 <LoneStar20> howdy rick_home
Jan 02 07:06:59 <lohwinsheng> whats happening on jan 7?
Jan 02 07:07:20 <rick_home> palm is announcing th enew dealers program and that will include self-signed apps which you can sell direct
Jan 02 07:07:54 <LoneStar20> lohwinsheng: rick_home is very knowledgeable in all WebOS stuff
Jan 02 07:08:30 <lohwinsheng> cool stuff, i better get up to speed on the platform then
Jan 02 07:09:01 <Tibfib1> oh at ces?
Jan 02 07:10:21 <LoneStar20> rick_home:  how accurate is webos school with the stats?
Jan 02 07:10:25 <lohwinsheng> rick_home: is the program open to non-us folks?
Jan 02 07:19:16 <JenP> hi all!
Jan 02 07:19:24 <rwhitby> hi JenP
Jan 02 07:19:34 <rwhitby> JenP: did you get to run DOOM! yet?
Jan 02 07:19:38 <JenP> hey rwhitby
Jan 02 07:19:45 <JenP> no....stupid phones broke
Jan 02 07:19:57 <rwhitby> broke?
Jan 02 07:20:04 <JenP> when i try to run webos doc it saids it can't find the phone
Jan 02 07:20:06 <rwhitby> physical or logical?
Jan 02 07:20:16 <JenP> if i try the device info restore...nothing happens
Jan 02 07:20:19 <JenP> logical
Jan 02 07:20:43 <JenP> its function....but wont let me download apps
Jan 02 07:27:35 <LoneStar20> JenP: from experience in software, and operating systems, it seems that if you upgraded the version of OS, the pacekts got corrupted
Jan 02 07:27:55 <JenP> i agree with that
Jan 02 07:28:07 <JenP> so how do i solve it?
Jan 02 07:29:31 <LoneStar20> if I had to guess, i hear if you reset the phone, it will go back to the original OS installed on the phone, and you will have to download the new version,
Jan 02 07:29:49 <JenP> reset does nothing
Jan 02 07:31:30 <LoneStar20> hmmm.... when did you remove the battery for like 2 minutes and rset?
Jan 02 07:31:53 <JenP> didn't wait two minutes but i'll give it a try
Jan 02 07:35:23 <LoneStar20> my wifi suxs and win7 is not helping
Jan 02 07:41:37 <LoneStar20> JenP: I am sure rwhitby can give you better advise
Jan 02 07:42:07 <rwhitby> JenP: have you tried the recovery instructions on our wiki?
Jan 02 07:42:11 <JenP> i appreciate the help JenP
Jan 02 07:42:18 <JenP> rwhitby no i haven't
Jan 02 07:42:21 <rbredow> Anyone have an example of a scene returning a value back after it's popped?
Jan 02 07:45:45 <LoneStar20> rbredow: value back to where a div/
Jan 02 07:45:46 <LoneStar20> ?
Jan 02 07:46:35 <rbredow> I'm looking to push a scene that picks a value, and then returns that value back to the scene that pushed it.  Does that make any sense?
Jan 02 07:47:15 <rbredow> I've got a level editor.  I need to push a scene to select a level to load, and then I want to return a value from the level load scene.
Jan 02 07:48:17 <LoneStar20> what about a global?
Jan 02 07:48:40 <rbredow> That seems like a simple way to do it.  Not sure why I didn't think about that.
Jan 02 07:49:02 <LoneStar20> yeah, i had the same problem and used a global
Jan 02 07:52:45 <LoneStar20> myGlobal = 0; the when  it Pops..... var thisGlobal = (myGlobal += 5);
Jan 02 07:55:27 <LoneStar20> want to reset the global back to zero: "var thisGlobal = (myGlobal = 0);"
Jan 02 07:57:55 <rbredow> What's the pathname to the user apps now in 1.3.5?
Jan 02 07:58:25 <LoneStar20> not sure...
Jan 02 07:58:55 <rwhitby> rbredow: BTW, love paratroopers.  Bought it, even though I'm in Australia ;-)
Jan 02 07:59:05 <rbredow> Hey, thanks a lot!
Jan 02 07:59:10 <rwhitby> running it on a GSM Pre ;-)
Jan 02 07:59:21 <rbredow> I'm working on a "Level Configurator" now.  That'll really help keep it fun for longer.
Jan 02 08:00:54 <rbredow> Here's the path to the user installed apps in 1.3.5:  /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications
Jan 02 08:02:02 <LoneStar20> ok thanks, will add it to my notes
Jan 02 08:02:16 <rbredow> I'm adding it to webos101 now.
Jan 02 08:06:51 <LoneStar20> have added a few things to webos101 myself
Jan 02 08:15:16 <rbredow> Oh hey.  Just stumbled across this after setting up the global.  popScene(returnValue, options)
Jan 02 08:15:24 <rbredow> Turns out it's easy to return a value.  :)
Jan 02 08:18:22 <LoneStar20> oh ok rbredow, thanks chat later!  gonna get some sleep
Jan 02 08:18:29 <rbredow> 'night
Jan 02 08:18:40 <LoneStar20> lates
Jan 02 08:33:17 <JenP> anyone have any luck changing the styles of banner alerts?
Jan 02 08:36:06 * rbredow has not tried yet.
Jan 02 08:36:24 <JenP> not having too much luck on this one
Jan 02 11:44:44 <rwhitby> Preware now has a quake demo available
Jan 02 12:08:04 <zomg> Quake? Nice :D
Jan 02 12:08:21 <zomg> I should take the time and install that on mine.. it doesn't actually even have preware or anything on it
Jan 02 14:10:37 <kerwood> I'm really regretting upgrading to 1.3.5
Jan 02 14:10:49 <kerwood> preware's a mess now
Jan 02 14:20:56 <swisstomcat> heya
Jan 02 14:27:08 <haeffb> hey swisst
Jan 02 14:27:36 <swisstomcat> haeffb: hope you got my thanks before i left yesterday
Jan 02 14:28:40 <haeffb> yes sir, glad to help
Jan 02 14:28:53 <swisstomcat> i'm almost done
Jan 02 14:29:27 <swisstomcat> one thing: i go to scene 3 from scene 2 to adjust something, then back to scene 2
Jan 02 14:29:30 <swisstomcat> so far so good
Jan 02 14:29:51 <swisstomcat> but when i do a back-gesture, i'm back on scene 3 ... not what i want
Jan 02 14:30:00 <swisstomcat> maybe scene 3 should be a dialog
Jan 02 14:30:30 <haeffb> how are you going from 2 to 3 and back to 2?
Jan 02 14:30:40 <swisstomcat> via pushScene
Jan 02 14:30:54 <haeffb> from 3 to 2 you need popScene
Jan 02 14:30:56 <swisstomcat> so 3 is still on the stack i guess
Jan 02 14:31:17 <haeffb> think of the scene stack like an array
Jan 02 14:31:26 <haeffb> you push a new scene onto the array
Jan 02 14:31:40 <swisstomcat> scene 1 - scene 2 - scene 3
Jan 02 14:32:03 <swisstomcat> that means after pushing scene 2 from 3, i got two scene 2 on the stack?
Jan 02 14:32:05 <haeffb> you want to get rid of it, you have to pop the scene. if you push another scene on top, it's still there
Jan 02 14:32:08 <haeffb> yes.
Jan 02 14:32:13 <swisstomcat> not what i want
Jan 02 14:32:20 <haeffb> no, you want push/pop
Jan 02 14:32:30 <swisstomcat> allright, makes sense
Jan 02 14:33:07 <haeffb> are you trying to handle the back gesture in handleCommand in scene 3? like we talked yesterday?
Jan 02 14:34:14 <swisstomcat> not yet .. i was focusing to get scene 3 to work
Jan 02 14:34:33 <swisstomcat> e.g the time and date picker
Jan 02 14:35:16 <haeffb> ok
Jan 02 14:35:18 <swisstomcat> guess you could be an alpha tester if you want :)
Jan 02 14:35:31 <haeffb> sure haeffb at yahoo
Jan 02 14:37:39 <swisstomcat> oh noes
Jan 02 14:38:06 <swisstomcat> i broke it
Jan 02 14:38:11 <haeffb> dang it is cold here: -9 F
Jan 02 14:40:54 <swisstomcat> allright
Jan 02 14:41:11 <swisstomcat> http://www.inorbit.ch/upload/com.inorbit.fahrplan_1.0.0_all.ipk
Jan 02 14:41:22 <swisstomcat> it'll be in german :)
Jan 02 14:42:27 <haeffb> can I figure out what it does?
Jan 02 14:42:42 <swisstomcat> you'll probably need help with the station names
Jan 02 14:43:00 <swisstomcat> because it only knows local ones
Jan 02 14:43:33 <swisstomcat> it will show you how to get from a to b and when
Jan 02 14:45:50 <haeffb> I need some names to enter
Jan 02 14:46:23 <swisstomcat> you can enter just a part of the name .. try eff
Jan 02 14:46:48 <swisstomcat> and in the second oerl
Jan 02 14:47:31 <haeffb> Bachtelstrasse to Moosburg
Jan 02 14:49:35 <haeffb> I like it. Have no idea what it's telling me, but I like it.
Jan 02 14:50:01 <swisstomcat> heh
Jan 02 14:50:19 <swisstomcat> arrow up shows earlier connections, arrow down later ones
Jan 02 14:50:31 <swisstomcat> the clock adjusts the date/time (that's scene 3)
Jan 02 14:50:33 <haeffb> yes, got that. Got that I can choose a date/time
Jan 02 14:50:43 <swisstomcat> the two arrows change from/to
Jan 02 14:50:48 <haeffb> yep. nice
Jan 02 14:51:05 <haeffb> Is there a limited number of destinations from any given starting point?
Jan 02 14:51:19 <haeffb> or are they essentially unlimited?
Jan 02 14:51:29 <swisstomcat> unlimited i think
Jan 02 14:51:42 <swisstomcat> for now it's limited to the canton zurich
Jan 02 14:52:06 <swisstomcat> but it should probably even work for all of switzerland
Jan 02 14:52:36 <haeffb> just a cosmetic issue or two. and fix the 2-3-2 thing.
Jan 02 14:52:50 <swisstomcat> yeah
Jan 02 14:53:07 <swisstomcat> trying to figure out the popscene
Jan 02 14:53:44 <haeffb> where you have "push" replace "push" with "pop"
Jan 02 14:53:54 <swisstomcat> it's interacting with a website in the background .. parsing html
Jan 02 14:55:05 <haeffb> you're doing that in scene2? in activate()?
Jan 02 14:55:32 <swisstomcat> i had it there
Jan 02 14:55:42 <swisstomcat> but now it's in a separate function
Jan 02 14:55:52 <swisstomcat> which activate calls .. and switch direction too
Jan 02 14:56:01 <haeffb> oh, ok. but you call the function from...?
Jan 02 14:56:22 <swisstomcat> activate
Jan 02 14:56:39 <haeffb> because activate() on scene2 will still be called when you pop scene3
Jan 02 14:56:54 <swisstomcat> ah, cool
Jan 02 14:57:06 <swisstomcat> it should work, but doesn't :(
Jan 02 14:57:06 <FreeTim31> You can do some common stuff to all of the scenes in stage_assistant if that's what you need
Jan 02 14:57:37 <FreeTim31> Sorry to chime in, hope I'm not adding to any confusion. But my program does the Help menu in stage_assistant because it's common
Jan 02 14:57:51 <swisstomcat> yeah, did that too freetim
Jan 02 14:57:56 <haeffb> setup() will not - the scene's already been setup
Jan 02 14:57:57 <FreeTim31> ok cool :)
Jan 02 14:58:19 <swisstomcat> pushscene will call SecondAssistant
Jan 02 14:58:23 <haeffb> how are you passing the date back to scene2?
Jan 02 14:58:33 <swisstomcat> popScene apparently not
Jan 02 14:58:42 <haeffb> ?
Jan 02 14:58:45 <swisstomcat> as parameters in popscene
Jan 02 14:58:57 <swisstomcat> popScene("second",param1,param2,...)
Jan 02 14:59:20 <haeffb> no, you don't want to pop "second"
Jan 02 14:59:29 <swisstomcat> err
Jan 02 14:59:36 <haeffb> should just be popScene(param1, param2)
Jan 02 15:00:39 <haeffb> then your SecondAssistant.prototype.activate = function(p1, p2) { ... }
Jan 02 15:00:53 <haeffb> then p1 and p2 are passed the values of param1 and param2
Jan 02 15:01:40 <swisstomcat> let me try
Jan 02 15:01:51 <haeffb> and if (!p1 && !p2) {do stuff on initial launch} else {do stuff coming back from scene3}
Jan 02 15:02:52 <swisstomcat> hmm
Jan 02 15:03:45 <haeffb> read this: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1627
Jan 02 15:03:45 <swisstomcat> SecondAssistant.prototype.activate=function(event) {
Jan 02 15:04:17 <haeffb> what event?
Jan 02 15:04:27 <haeffb> do you ever use event in activate()?
Jan 02 15:05:09 <swisstomcat> that's the default
Jan 02 15:05:22 <swisstomcat> created by palm-generate
Jan 02 15:06:28 <haeffb> ah. simple: in scene3 use:   var event = null; popScene(event, param1, param2);
Jan 02 15:06:45 <swisstomcat> aha
Jan 02 15:06:51 <swisstomcat> the scene disappears
Jan 02 15:07:01 <swisstomcat> but activate is not called ... i put a Mojo.Log.error in it
Jan 02 15:07:13 <haeffb> there may be an easier/better way, but that should work. then activate = function (event, param1, param2) {}
Jan 02 15:08:05 <haeffb> pastebin?
Jan 02 15:08:23 <haeffb> scene3's function where you popScene and scene2's activate()
Jan 02 15:08:35 <swisstomcat> oh
Jan 02 15:08:42 <swisstomcat> i have to call activate
Jan 02 15:09:09 <swisstomcat> if you do push, you pass the parameters in push
Jan 02 15:09:41 <swisstomcat> popScene (returnValue): Remove a scene from the scene stack. Pass returnValue to the next scene's activate method.
Jan 02 15:10:56 <haeffb> no, you don't have to call activate. it should happen automatically
Jan 02 15:10:57 <swisstomcat> according to this it would work the same, no?
Jan 02 15:11:32 <swisstomcat> ok, for some reason it doesn't get called
Jan 02 15:11:54 <haeffb> activate "Called each time the scene becomes the top scene on the stack. "
Jan 02 15:12:34 <haeffb> check for typo in your Mojo.Log.error?
Jan 02 15:13:24 <swisstomcat> nothing
Jan 02 15:13:26 <swisstomcat> strange
Jan 02 15:13:56 <haeffb> pastebin
Jan 02 15:14:00 <swisstomcat> if i pushScene, the parameters are passed in the creator function of the scene assistant
Jan 02 15:14:24 <haeffb> yes, pushScene starts the scene from scratch
Jan 02 15:14:44 <haeffb> that's why you get two scene2's on the stack
Jan 02 15:14:51 <swisstomcat> yup
Jan 02 15:15:11 <swisstomcat> and popScene calls activate of the underlying scene
Jan 02 15:15:20 <haeffb> but you don't want another scene2, you want the original
Jan 02 15:15:27 <haeffb> correct
Jan 02 15:15:51 <haeffb> actually popScene doesn't call it, the framework does whenever it becomes the top scene.
Jan 02 15:16:21 <haeffb> but that is a very subtle difference
Jan 02 15:16:41 <haeffb> bmyers, what is up on this fine saturday morning?
Jan 02 15:17:07 <Bmyers> yeah i thought it was sunday. woohoo! its only saturday..
Jan 02 15:17:13 <swisstomcat> well, i see the original scene
Jan 02 15:18:01 <Bmyers> nice work in the milez app
Jan 02 15:18:17 <haeffb> thanks
Jan 02 15:19:04 <Bmyers> not sure you want quotes around the numbers in the export tho
Jan 02 15:19:43 <swisstomcat> i'll get some fresh air .. bbl
Jan 02 15:19:55 <Bmyers> l8r swiss
Jan 02 15:21:05 <haeffb> yeah, good point. They'll import into XL as text...?
Jan 02 15:21:41 <Bmyers> yes
Jan 02 15:22:30 <Bmyers> and clicking on the little clock face does nothing?
Jan 02 15:22:38 <haeffb> but that means I have to re-write the export routine
Jan 02 15:22:47 <Bmyers> rewrite?
Jan 02 15:22:53 <haeffb> clicking on the clock face sets time to NOW
Jan 02 15:23:10 <haeffb> or it's supposed to.
Jan 02 15:23:29 <Bmyers> oh, didnt notice...
Jan 02 15:23:35 <Bmyers> it does
Jan 02 15:23:36 <haeffb> the export is very general right now, I just pass a js object
Jan 02 15:24:05 <haeffb> and it iterates thru the rows in the object and spits out CSV
Jan 02 15:24:12 <haeffb> just a sec...
Jan 02 15:25:11 <haeffb> http://www.pastie.org/764000
Jan 02 15:25:29 <Bmyers> you didnt write code to move trip in a categorry to another if you delete the cat the are in
Jan 02 15:25:54 <haeffb> If I start worrying about whether or not to add quotes, then I have to write it specific to the data
Jan 02 15:27:39 <haeffb> yes, it's there. it's also written as a general function, works for both vehicles and categories.
Jan 02 15:27:48 <haeffb> altho I haven't tested it on categories...
Jan 02 15:28:01 <Bmyers> i dunno. text qualifier is quotes. it might work.. did u try importing into xl?
Jan 02 15:28:41 <haeffb> earlier version I did. Haven't changed the export function, so it should be ok.
Jan 02 15:29:18 <Bmyers> ok then.. never mind... as long as it works..
Jan 02 15:29:18 <haeffb> delete categories works. NOT
Jan 02 15:29:37 <haeffb> gotta go get coffee.  back in a half hour
Jan 02 15:29:46 <Bmyers> ok c u l8r
Jan 02 16:03:03 <gotenks> can anyone help me, i'm still trying to figure stuff out, and I'm stuck
Jan 02 16:03:45 <gotenks> i've been banging my head even trying to get my palm ares project to do a simple thing like change a label value
Jan 02 16:04:03 <FreeTim> gtoenks: don't ask if you Can Ask. Just state your problem/ question for us
Jan 02 16:04:41 <gotenks> FreeTim, the question is noobish, i've done lots of dev before but mostly in java and c++, alot of people probably would get irritated at the level of question
Jan 02 16:04:43 <gotenks> :(
Jan 02 16:04:56 <FreeTim> gotenks: I think you have to assign inner_text to something, and then initiate a refresh on the widget. I'll try to dig up an example.
Jan 02 16:06:09 <gotenks> FreeTim, does palm ares make things work different, or does the exact same coding still work
Jan 02 16:07:13 <FreeTim> i don't know this word ares.  but, ti's like regular javascript changing text in Dom
Jan 02 16:08:29 <gotenks> ares.palm.com
Jan 02 16:08:44 <gotenks> it's a development kit palm did
Jan 02 16:08:49 <FreeTim> like so $("mydivname").innerHTML = some_variable_text + " Nuts and Bolts";
Jan 02 16:09:13 <FreeTim> or simply $("my_id_name").innerHTML = " Nuts and Bolts";
Jan 02 16:10:46 <gotenks> think i tried that, let me check
Jan 02 16:10:55 <gotenks> still not working
Jan 02 16:12:10 <FreeTim> I think on some widgets, you also have to refresh it after the modification of the label
Jan 02 16:12:42 <gotenks> http://pastebin.com/d9f01378
Jan 02 16:12:55 <gotenks> there's what I have for my Assistant
Jan 02 16:13:12 <gotenks> i'm just trying to make the label show 3 for now
Jan 02 16:18:02 <FreeTim> gotenks: I think this isn't a problem with the label, but a problem with the button handler binding to it's listener
Jan 02 16:18:40 <gotenks> that's what i was assuming, i just cannot figure out what i'm doing wrong
Jan 02 16:27:43 <FreeTim> If anyone wants to change the key-bindings too Doom3D, just edit the .doomrc file.   Details now on wiki - http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Doom
Jan 02 16:27:52 <FreeTim> thanks to ZSoc for the detail.  :)
Jan 02 16:37:11 <swisstomcat> which label are you trying to change, gotenks?
Jan 02 16:41:52 <haeffb> Are labels widgets in ARES?
Jan 02 16:42:30 <haeffb> Bmyers: fixed the delete vehicles/categories. Don't know what I was thinking late last night...
Jan 02 16:45:53 <swisstomcat> haeffb: popScene works, i just didn't see the entry in the error log ;)
Jan 02 16:46:21 <haeffb> hoot!
Jan 02 16:47:18 * haeffb purchased iStayFit and GeoStrings yesterday.
Jan 02 16:47:30 <haeffb> (w/ apologies to my European brothers)
Jan 02 16:47:34 * swisstomcat wishes he could sell and buy apps 
Jan 02 16:47:54 <swisstomcat> i would buy paratroopers right away
Jan 02 16:48:33 <haeffb> have you talked with the dev to see if he'd loan you a copy?
Jan 02 16:48:59 <swisstomcat> not yet
Jan 02 16:49:07 <swisstomcat> i tried the mini version and it's great
Jan 02 16:50:10 <haeffb> quake now in preware
Jan 02 16:50:43 <FreeTim> NICE!!!!!
Jan 02 16:52:51 <swisstomcat> really?!
Jan 02 16:53:01 <swisstomcat> and i was joking yesterday about porting it
Jan 02 16:54:27 <swisstomcat> hmm, all the params from popScene are "undefined"
Jan 02 16:56:50 <haeffb> quake demo - can't play it
Jan 02 16:57:10 <haeffb> uh oh
Jan 02 16:57:39 <swisstomcat> it's a non-playable demo
Jan 02 16:57:53 <haeffb> so, a quake movie... :)
Jan 02 16:58:00 <swisstomcat> "It's a demo only, you cannot play the game.  We might be able to make it playable in the future, but no guarantees."
Jan 02 16:58:11 <haeffb> so, why are they undefined?
Jan 02 16:58:16 <swisstomcat> good question
Jan 02 16:58:29 <swisstomcat> if i knew, i wouldn't ask :)
Jan 02 16:59:10 <haeffb> probably can't help w/o seeing code
Jan 02 16:59:23 <haeffb> unless you want to play 20 questions.
Jan 02 16:59:43 <swisstomcat> var event=null; Mojo.Controller.stageController.popScene(event,this.from,this.to,this.formatDate(this.DatePickerModel.date),this.formatTime(this.TimePickerModel.time));
Jan 02 16:59:58 <swisstomcat> this is in the 3rd scene
Jan 02 17:00:24 <swisstomcat> SecondAssistant.prototype.activate = function(event,from,to,datum,zeit) {
Jan 02 17:00:31 <swisstomcat> this is in the 2nd scene
Jan 02 17:00:47 <swisstomcat> not much you can do wrong with this i think
Jan 02 17:00:59 <haeffb> try moving the this.formatDate calls outside of the popScene()
Jan 02 17:01:09 <swisstomcat> allright
Jan 02 17:01:27 <haeffb> altho, the from and to should be OK, I would think.
Jan 02 17:01:50 <haeffb> do a mojo log with all those params prior to popScene and see what values are there.
Jan 02 17:01:58 <swisstomcat> yup, doing that
Jan 02 17:02:01 <swisstomcat> eff
Jan 02 17:02:19 <swisstomcat> that was supposed to go into the emulator :)
Jan 02 17:03:02 <swisstomcat> popScene from: xxx Activate from: undefined
Jan 02 17:04:43 <swisstomcat> need to find some examples
Jan 02 17:06:51 <JenP> Good morning all!
Jan 02 17:07:08 <haeffb> crud
Jan 02 17:07:12 <haeffb> hi jenp
Jan 02 17:07:20 <JenP> hi haeffb!
Jan 02 17:07:35 <haeffb> swisstomcat: I've used the technique before.
Jan 02 17:07:42 <haeffb> so I know it works.
Jan 02 17:08:04 <swisstomcat> morning jen
Jan 02 17:08:21 <JenP> hi swisstomcat
Jan 02 17:08:25 <haeffb> 	args = 'prefs';
Jan 02 17:08:25 <haeffb> 	Mojo.Log.info("args is " + args);
Jan 02 17:08:25 <haeffb> 	this.controller.stageController.popScene(args);
Jan 02 17:08:32 <haeffb> in my "scene3"
Jan 02 17:09:03 <swisstomcat> apparently you can only pass one returnValue
Jan 02 17:09:12 <haeffb> 	Mojo.Log.info("args is " + event);
Jan 02 17:09:12 <haeffb> 	// if returning from Preferences, set up options from defaults
Jan 02 17:09:12 <haeffb> 	if (event == 'prefs') {
Jan 02 17:09:15 <swisstomcat> http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/213050-can-you-pass-more-than-one-variable-stagecontroller-popscene.html
Jan 02 17:09:34 <haeffb> ok. just make your params an object
Jan 02 17:09:39 <swisstomcat> yeah
Jan 02 17:09:47 <JenP> ohhh i've been down this road...it's not friendly to multiple values
Jan 02 17:09:49 <haeffb> var params = {from: xxx, ...}
Jan 02 17:10:32 <haeffb> jenp, why didn't you say that YESTERDAY!!!!
Jan 02 17:10:39 <swisstomcat> yeah!
Jan 02 17:10:54 <swisstomcat> we were racking our brains
Jan 02 17:11:00 <JenP> lol oh sorry! i wasn't paying much attention yesterday
Jan 02 17:11:08 <haeffb> got your app done?
Jan 02 17:11:14 <JenP> YE!!!
Jan 02 17:11:22 <JenP> S!!!
Jan 02 17:11:26 <haeffb> lol
Jan 02 17:11:29 <haeffb> gr
Jan 02 17:11:30 <haeffb> ea
Jan 02 17:11:31 <haeffb> t
Jan 02 17:11:32 <JenP> it's FINALLY done
Jan 02 17:11:33 <JenP> lol
Jan 02 17:11:39 <swisstomcat> erm
Jan 02 17:11:50 <JenP> i need to submit it before he wants to change anything else
Jan 02 17:12:35 <JenP> so you guys are trying to pass values on a push scene right?
Jan 02 17:13:01 <swisstomcat> jen: no, on a pop
Jan 02 17:13:01 <haeffb> swisstomcat is
Jan 02 17:13:02 <JayCanuck> any Palm Pixi users here?
Jan 02 17:13:12 <swisstomcat> because in push, you can pass multiple values
Jan 02 17:13:12 <haeffb> wife has a pixi
Jan 02 17:13:25 <JenP> awesome haeffb
Jan 02 17:13:37 <JayCanuck> nicr
Jan 02 17:13:43 <JayCanuck> *nice
Jan 02 17:13:47 <JenP> tell her i bought the reebok easytone sneakers...fun to walk in
Jan 02 17:13:48 <LoneStar20> JenP: did you get your device issue sorted out?
Jan 02 17:13:52 <JenP> yes i did
Jan 02 17:13:55 <haeffb> cool
Jan 02 17:14:04 <JenP> i was up all night fixing it actually
Jan 02 17:14:12 <LoneStar20> what was wrong?
Jan 02 17:14:16 <JenP> so i have lots of coffee in me...any i'm hyper
Jan 02 17:14:34 <JenP> idk....in the end i gave up and wiped the whole thing clean....
Jan 02 17:15:10 <swisstomcat> YAY!
Jan 02 17:15:12 <swisstomcat> it works
Jan 02 17:15:19 <LoneStar20> cool
Jan 02 17:15:31 <JenP> lol...its cause i'm here swisstomcat...
Jan 02 17:15:35 <JenP> LOL
Jan 02 17:15:38 <swisstomcat> probably
Jan 02 17:15:46 <swisstomcat> question is
Jan 02 17:16:02 <swisstomcat> what happens if activate ever gets called with an event
Jan 02 17:16:17 <swisstomcat> SecondAssistant.prototype.activate = function(event) {
Jan 02 17:16:38 <haeffb> you need to check for, for example, event.from
Jan 02 17:16:47 <haeffb> before you do your new stuff
Jan 02 17:17:04 <haeffb> if (event.from) { do this} else {do that}
Jan 02 17:17:13 <swisstomcat> yeah
Jan 02 17:17:20 <swisstomcat> but it seems a bit hacky to me
Jan 02 17:17:38 <swisstomcat> to pass parameters that way and another time an event
Jan 02 17:18:03 <haeffb> an event is just a parameter passed to a function
Jan 02 17:18:52 <haeffb> your event just has different properties
Jan 02 17:19:19 <swisstomcat> oh crap
Jan 02 17:19:30 <swisstomcat> cannot read property 'from' of undefined
Jan 02 17:19:41 <swisstomcat> in the first activate
Jan 02 17:19:57 <haeffb> yes, that's why you have to to the if (event.from)
Jan 02 17:20:12 <swisstomcat> that's what i do
Jan 02 17:20:19 <swisstomcat> but it craps out
Jan 02 17:20:24 <haeffb> if (event)
Jan 02 17:20:46 <swisstomcat> see .. . hacky
Jan 02 17:21:23 <swisstomcat> but it works :)
Jan 02 17:21:39 <haeffb> you could go back to global vars. but I think that's more hacky. and harder to keep track of
Jan 02 17:21:49 <swisstomcat> yeah
Jan 02 17:21:56 * haeffb is all about "if it works, do it"
Jan 02 17:22:09 <swisstomcat> until someone sees your code and faints
Jan 02 17:22:23 <swisstomcat> :D
Jan 02 17:24:06 <swisstomcat> it really works .. so what the heck
Jan 02 17:24:20 <JenP> exactly!
Jan 02 17:24:20 <haeffb> if they're reading my code, they deserve what they get! :)
Jan 02 17:24:23 <swisstomcat> put "// don't look here" in the code
Jan 02 17:25:21 <swisstomcat> it's done!
Jan 02 17:26:21 <swisstomcat> my app lives
Jan 02 17:26:44 <haeffb> On scene2, why don't you center the from/to...
Jan 02 17:26:57 * haeffb hates to see people call an app done
Jan 02 17:27:12 <swisstomcat> well, it's 80% done
Jan 02 17:28:07 <swisstomcat> no app is 100% ever .. probably
Jan 02 17:28:14 <swisstomcat> 100% done
Jan 02 17:29:36 <swisstomcat> thanks again, haeffb
Jan 02 17:30:05 <swisstomcat> hope i can return the favour one day
Jan 02 17:30:09 <haeffb> np. Javascript dynamic typing is a pain.
Jan 02 17:30:35 <swisstomcat> yeah, don't even start with the "this" stuff
Jan 02 17:30:46 <haeffb> 			Mojo.Log.info ("New:", this.miles.endMiles, "Old:", veh.lastmileage);
Jan 02 17:30:46 <haeffb> 			veh.lastmileage =  Math.max(this.miles.endMiles, veh.lastmileage);
Jan 02 17:30:46 <haeffb> 			Mojo.Log.info ("Final:", veh.lastmileage);
Jan 02 17:30:59 <haeffb> log says New: 134 Old: 0 Final: 0
Jan 02 17:31:02 <dirs> hi
Jan 02 17:31:31 <LoneStar20> Anyone... what is an example of an app which uses two stages?
Jan 02 17:31:31 <dirs> i've seem that someone made a doom version using a api for internal hardware access
Jan 02 17:31:50 <haeffb> LoneStar20: email?
Jan 02 17:31:52 <dirs> is there some docs about it?
Jan 02 17:32:16 <haeffb> dirs: join #webos-internals
Jan 02 17:32:30 <swisstomcat> dirs: even quake now
Jan 02 17:32:30 <haeffb> they can answer ? about doom
Jan 02 17:32:38 <swisstomcat> lonestar: i just did one with 3 stages
Jan 02 17:32:40 <dirs> well, thanks
Jan 02 17:32:49 <swisstomcat> lonestar: no, sorry ... scenes
Jan 02 17:33:00 <LoneStar20> haeffb: first stage would be login/ password... second stage displaying emails?
Jan 02 17:33:07 <haeffb> LoneStar20: apps that use a dashboard.
Jan 02 17:33:49 <haeffb> no, first stage is reading emails, etc. it launches a second stage for composing emails.
Jan 02 17:34:00 <haeffb> so you get a whole new card.
Jan 02 17:34:13 <Bmyers> sounds technical..
Jan 02 17:34:16 <haeffb> or actually can get multiple cards if you're composing multiple emails at once
Jan 02 17:34:36 <LoneStar20> and you want  a new cards for less clutter?
Jan 02 17:34:37 <haeffb> oh, Bmyers, it's very technical
Jan 02 17:35:02 <haeffb> email uses new cards so you can go back to email list or to other apps while composing a new email
Jan 02 17:35:09 <swisstomcat> any german speaking people here?
Jan 02 17:35:15 <haeffb> you
Jan 02 17:35:17 <LoneStar20> for example could one make a email app with overlays of scenes instead?
Jan 02 17:35:34 <LoneStar20> die Auto
Jan 02 17:35:34 <swisstomcat> any german speaking people other than me here? :)
Jan 02 17:35:43 <swisstomcat> das Auto
Jan 02 17:35:48 <LoneStar20> yeah
Jan 02 17:35:58 <LoneStar20> guten morgen
Jan 02 17:36:03 <swisstomcat> my app is swiss only
Jan 02 17:36:15 <swisstomcat> need beta testers
Jan 02 17:36:27 <LoneStar20> german testers?
Jan 02 17:36:37 <swisstomcat> yeah
Jan 02 17:36:39 <haeffb> so, the real question you want to ask "Are there any german speaking people who live in Switzerland here. Other than me."
Jan 02 17:37:14 <swisstomcat> i've never seen any other swiss people in here
Jan 02 17:37:19 <swisstomcat> but germans can test my app too
Jan 02 17:37:28 <swisstomcat> it won't help them much tho
Jan 02 17:37:32 <haeffb> LoneStar20: don't understand the question. Could they have written email without using multiple stages?
Jan 02 17:37:42 <haeffb> and just pushed new scenes?
Jan 02 17:37:53 <LoneStar20> haeffb: yes
Jan 02 17:38:21 <haeffb> they could. but then if you were composing an email, you would have to either send it or discard it to go back to your email list or read another email.
Jan 02 17:38:34 <LoneStar20> haeffb: i just trying to understand the concept for using multiple scenes
Jan 02 17:38:42 <haeffb> so, there's a compelling reason to use multi-stage in that application
Jan 02 17:39:43 <gfxcomplex> Hello People
Jan 02 17:39:48 <swisstomcat> hello
Jan 02 17:39:48 <haeffb> i.e. I'm replying to swisstomcat in an email, and I want look up/copy/paste something that you sent to me in another email.
Jan 02 17:40:10 <LoneStar20> haeffb: ok
Jan 02 17:40:13 <gfxcomplex> I'm having an palm-install problem
Jan 02 17:40:13 <haeffb> I can easily do that, since they used a new stage for the compose email.
Jan 02 17:40:41 <LoneStar20> have to apps published in the app store, but still trying to understand stages....
Jan 02 17:40:43 <gfxcomplex> I get FAILED_IPKG_INSTALL
Jan 02 17:40:45 <LoneStar20> scenes are "html" pages and stages are the place-holder of "scenes"???
Jan 02 17:40:59 <gfxcomplex> I cant find any info on that
Jan 02 17:41:03 <LoneStar20> have to = have two
Jan 02 17:41:24 <Bmyers> stages ares dashboards, cards, background processes
Jan 02 17:41:26 <swisstomcat> gfxcomplex: #webos-internals is probably the right place?
Jan 02 17:41:32 <Bmyers> stages are..
Jan 02 17:41:38 <gfxcomplex> thanks
Jan 02 17:41:39 <swisstomcat> gfxcomplex: in preware or similar?
Jan 02 17:42:01 <Bmyers> cards can have multiple scenes..
Jan 02 17:42:36 <haeffb> gfxcomplex: to device or emu?
Jan 02 17:42:45 <Bmyers> you can have multple cards with multiple scenes
Jan 02 17:44:36 <LoneStar20> ok, i think i got it
Jan 02 17:45:22 <djk> anyone done the webosdoctor for 1.3.5? I have been sitting at 14% for a few minutes wonder if it broke
Jan 02 17:46:15 <Bmyers> look about 1/2 way down this page: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1794#TheBasicsStages-MultistageApps
Jan 02 17:46:30 <Bmyers> example of application stage hierachy
Jan 02 17:46:39 <Bmyers> should help a bunch
Jan 02 17:47:19 <Bmyers> helped me a bunch anyway..
Jan 02 17:49:23 <gfxcomplex> swiss, I can install via -b usb but not via tcp
Jan 02 17:49:30 <LoneStar20> Bmyers: ok will read it...
Jan 02 17:49:39 <gfxcomplex> the emu will say to reboot
Jan 02 17:49:57 <gfxcomplex> and I will get an error in the cmd that says "FAILED_IPKG_INSTALL"
Jan 02 17:53:14 <Bmyers> just the diagram was helpful for me 2 visualize it all.. i like pretty pictures ...
Jan 02 17:53:50 <Bmyers> multiple stage assistants was an eye opener..
Jan 02 17:53:55 <haeffb> bmyers: whats wrong with this:
Jan 02 17:53:56 <haeffb> 			var sql = "UPDATE 'vehicles' SET lastmileage=? WHERE id=?";
Jan 02 17:53:56 <haeffb> 			var args = [lastmileage, this.miles.vehicle];
Jan 02 17:54:19 <haeffb> log of args is: 134,1
Jan 02 17:54:20 <LoneStar20> Bmyers:  thanks alot
Jan 02 17:54:43 <haeffb> the success handler is called, but the db is not updated.
Jan 02 17:57:11 <Bmyers> quoted the table name?
Jan 02 17:57:25 <dirs> there is a link that i can put on my blog to users get my apps?
Jan 02 17:57:34 <dirs> a link that opens store?
Jan 02 17:57:35 <haeffb> that's wrong? I've been doing that everywhere
Jan 02 17:58:10 <Bmyers> i dont quote them so if it works for u then fine..
Jan 02 17:58:10 <haeffb> dirs, you can go to the app in the catalog and tap "Share" and email yourself a link to your app
Jan 02 17:58:32 <Bmyers> is this.miles.vehicle a number?
Jan 02 17:58:48 <Bmyers> o,, ok..
Jan 02 17:59:48 <haeffb> oh. nevermind. shoud be 'value' not 'id'
Jan 02 17:59:56 <Bmyers> ah..
Jan 02 18:00:05 <dirs> haeffb: hmm thanks
Jan 02 18:02:55 <haeffb> because you can't set modelProperty='id' in a ListSelector
Jan 02 18:04:33 <gfxcomplex> Found solution: I just deleted my .VirtualBox folder to clear all the older emu settings
Jan 02 18:16:06 <haeffb> still doesn't working.
Jan 02 18:17:43 <LoneStar20> time for world of goo! laters!
Jan 02 18:23:14 <haeffb> weird. Now everytime I add an entry, it gets added twice.
Jan 02 18:28:49 <Bmyers> you're picky haeffb. this one doesnt add the row, that ones adds too many.. geeze..
Jan 02 18:29:34 * ivanst is waiting for his GF to arrive...
Jan 02 18:30:51 <ivanst> in the meanwhile i'm nervously clicking refresh on the update manager every few minutes
Jan 02 18:31:42 <FreeTim2> why? what are you expecting
Jan 02 18:32:27 <ivanst> 1.3.5... i'm a euro-victim
Jan 02 18:33:02 <ivanst> btw, did anyone ever get the stuck-in-headphones-mode on their pre?
Jan 02 18:34:06 <ivanst> i had it occur to me today, i don't usually use wired headphones, but i tried mine on for size today for like the third time and it wouldn't go out of HP mode... i tried a reboot, no cigar. i plugged the headphones in and out, and everything is dandy now
Jan 02 18:36:54 <rick_home> ivanst  it's been reported a lot of times.
Jan 02 18:36:57 <rick_home> no one knows why
Jan 02 18:39:04 <haeffb_gon4bball> Go Tigers!
Jan 02 18:39:07 <haeffb_gon4bball> laters
Jan 02 18:58:15 <ivanst> rick_home: i've read up on the occurrence, what is not clear is if i can expect it to happen again/more frequently now that it happened once?
Jan 02 19:06:21 <rick_home> no idea
Jan 02 19:11:47 <swisstomcat> rehi
Jan 02 19:12:50 <haeffb_wirc> I don't fail, I succeed at finding what doesn't work.
Jan 02 19:34:35 <swisstomcat> oh, a german user! :)
Jan 02 19:34:42 <MetaView> high :)
Jan 02 19:34:55 <MetaView> swiss-man
Jan 02 19:34:59 <swisstomcat> i assume you know the app bahnfahren
Jan 02 19:35:11 <swisstomcat> i made a swiss version ... care to test it?
Jan 02 19:35:31 <MetaView> hm, you are the guy behind it?
Jan 02 19:35:45 <swisstomcat> no, not behind bahnfahren
Jan 02 19:35:46 <MetaView> send it to me, I will give it a try
Jan 02 19:35:57 <swisstomcat> i made my own
Jan 02 19:36:19 <MetaView> ok, but I'm not from switzerland :)
Jan 02 19:36:29 <swisstomcat> hope you can still test it
Jan 02 19:36:41 <swisstomcat> not really useful for you, i know
Jan 02 19:36:56 <swisstomcat> http://www.inorbit.ch/upload/com.inorbit.fahrplan_1.0.0_all.ipk
Jan 02 20:13:51 <MetaView> swisstomcat:
Jan 02 20:14:06 <swisstomcat> yeah?
Jan 02 20:14:32 <MetaView> von: Zürich nach: Genf
Jan 02 20:14:47 <MetaView> Zürich worked, Genf doesn't
Jan 02 20:15:00 <swisstomcat> it only work in the canton zurich for now (ZVV)
Jan 02 20:15:00 <MetaView> now it's dead
Jan 02 20:15:02 <swisstomcat> works
Jan 02 20:15:06 <MetaView> ok
Jan 02 20:15:38 <MetaView> but it dies when you enter wrong stations
Jan 02 20:16:05 <swisstomcat> not good :)
Jan 02 20:16:18 <MetaView> and it shows "L" as separator when loading stations for Zürich
Jan 02 20:16:33 <MetaView> if the loading is done, it displays "Z"
Jan 02 20:16:39 <swisstomcat> because of the text "loading"
Jan 02 20:16:49 <swisstomcat> it uses the first char as the separator
Jan 02 20:16:56 <MetaView> ok
Jan 02 20:16:58 <swisstomcat> because you can search for parts of the name
Jan 02 20:17:06 <swisstomcat> e.g stade
Jan 02 20:17:18 <swisstomcat> then it will show you matching stations
Jan 02 20:17:56 <MetaView> Z Flughafen to Z Altstetten, the 2nd entry: no details
Jan 02 20:18:09 <swisstomcat> :(
Jan 02 20:22:13 <swisstomcat> looks like there are some problems parsing when it uses a "fussweg"
Jan 02 20:22:35 <MetaView> :)
Jan 02 20:30:36 <swisstomcat> metaview: when it works .. what do you think?
Jan 02 20:31:22 <MetaView> add an option for which train to use
Jan 02 20:31:48 <MetaView> in germany it only lists the fastest connection, but somtimes you want to check the slower and cheaper train
Jan 02 20:33:20 <swisstomcat> something to consider
Jan 02 20:33:25 <swisstomcat> gps support is in the works
Jan 02 20:33:42 <MetaView> gps support is cool
Jan 02 20:33:53 <swisstomcat> but for now i want the basic features to work
Jan 02 20:34:04 <swisstomcat> and release it in switzerland
Jan 02 20:34:25 <MetaView> do it
Jan 02 20:34:40 <MetaView> sounds good, but release it everywhere
Jan 02 20:34:46 <MetaView> there are travelleres :)
Jan 02 20:34:49 <swisstomcat> true
Jan 02 20:35:01 <swisstomcat> i have to fix the "fussweg" thing tho
Jan 02 20:35:18 <swisstomcat> and then put it to precentral .. who knows how many swiss people hang out there tho
Jan 02 20:59:15 <Equilibrium> Hi all , i have a domain which i have installed wordpress on it , i want to create a program for palm pre with login & password to my site , what is the prefered way to do that?
Jan 02 21:04:23 <dawm_> quake doesnt work on my pre :(
Jan 02 21:15:54 <frozenbinary_> yo yo yo
Jan 02 21:16:02 <frozenbinary_> whats crackalackin
Jan 02 21:22:58 <kesne> Where is CTL Advance?
Jan 02 21:24:26 <kesne> Oh, I remember now
Jan 02 21:24:33 <kesne> He's getting married
Jan 02 21:30:52 <kesne> Anyone here know any webGL?
Jan 02 21:31:34 <supakilla> hmm i updated to the new 1.35 and i cant download anything now
Jan 02 21:31:47 <supakilla> all my downloads fail anyone have that same issue
Jan 02 21:32:13 <natenrb9> supakilla: does it say restart to apply system changes?
Jan 02 21:39:25 <frozenbinary_> hey- so how do i disable MPT / usb passthrough mode in 1.3.5  ?
Jan 02 21:48:15 <supakilla> yes natenrb9
Jan 02 21:50:54 <Bmyers> hi atlanta
Jan 02 21:51:07 <atlanta> Bmyers: I FIXED THE FREEZING ISSUE
Jan 02 21:51:13 <atlanta> rick_home: thanks for that imageview
Jan 02 21:51:17 <atlanta> it fixed my issue
Jan 02 21:51:32 <Bmyers> what was the deal with that?
Jan 02 21:52:17 <atlanta> theres a issue with html rendering of images
Jan 02 21:52:25 <atlanta> when i was dynamically updating them
Jan 02 21:52:32 <atlanta> i gotta put in a bug with palm
Jan 02 21:53:27 <kmax12-pre> kesne: what about it?
Jan 02 21:54:13 <atlanta> but using an image view fixed the problem
Jan 02 21:54:19 <atlanta> only thing is u can pan left and right
Jan 02 21:54:27 <atlanta> it would be nice if they had a no move ooption
Jan 02 21:54:27 <atlanta> lol
Jan 02 21:56:56 <Bmyers> weird man..
Jan 02 21:57:13 <Bmyers> at least you got it working. congrats and kudos to Rick
Jan 02 21:57:28 <Bmyers> (congrats to you, kudos to Rick)
Jan 02 21:59:20 <atlanta> thanks
Jan 02 22:02:47 <atlanta> now time to update to palm
Jan 02 22:04:23 <Equilibrium> my application creates a calendar account to enter some data if I want to sync the calendar created by my program with a google calendar.
Jan 02 22:04:23 <Equilibrium> Is there a way to do that without syncing the entire palm profile?
Jan 02 22:05:18 <supakilla> all my downloads fail anyone have that same issue
Jan 02 22:05:21 <supakilla> hmm i updated to the new 1.35 and i cant download anything now
Jan 02 22:05:51 <atlanta> what error u get
Jan 02 22:05:51 <atlanta> ?
Jan 02 22:06:06 <supakilla> says download has failed
Jan 02 22:07:08 <atlanta> try doing a partial erase and try again
Jan 02 22:12:23 <JenP> hi all!
Jan 02 22:14:05 <supakilla> ok
Jan 02 22:14:09 <Bmyers> HI JENP !
Jan 02 22:14:24 <JenP> HI BMYERS!!!
Jan 02 22:14:35 <Bmyers> how the heck r ya?
Jan 02 22:14:49 <JenP> i am great! you?
Jan 02 22:16:27 <Bmyers> ok.. time to hit the road again.
Jan 02 22:16:41 <frozenbinary_> hey gues
Jan 02 22:16:41 <Bmyers> spent the weekend at my outlaws
Jan 02 22:16:43 <frozenbinary_> guys
Jan 02 22:16:46 <JenP> oh no..?
Jan 02 22:16:52 <JenP> oh maybe that's a good thing
Jan 02 22:16:55 <Bmyers> the are nice ppl so its not that bad..
Jan 02 22:17:02 <frozenbinary_> who knows how to put the phone in USB media mode, when i am stuck in usb passthrough mode
Jan 02 22:17:47 <Bmyers> look for me on my pre soon
Jan 02 22:18:02 <JenP> heheheheh
Jan 02 22:18:17 <JenP> you're an adict....we need to have an intervention....LOL
Jan 02 22:22:09 <atlanta> supakilla: how did it go
Jan 02 22:23:00 <atlanta> frozenbinary_: sym, orange, U ?
Jan 02 22:23:21 <frozenbinary_> yea i tried that
Jan 02 22:23:27 <frozenbinary_> does it have to be in any specific order?
Jan 02 22:24:04 <frozenbinary_> nope doesnt work
Jan 02 22:24:06 <frozenbinary_> in any order
Jan 02 22:24:32 <atlanta> why are u stuck in passthrough mode
Jan 02 22:24:32 <atlanta> ?
Jan 02 22:24:46 <frozenbinary_> because ##usbpass# now requires some password
Jan 02 22:24:59 <frozenbinary_> so i cant disable it
Jan 02 22:25:09 <frozenbinary_> the fix is to replace the app that ##usbpass# runs
Jan 02 22:25:13 <frozenbinary_> with one that does not require a password
Jan 02 22:25:21 <frozenbinary_> but i cant replace the file if i cant get into usb mode
Jan 02 22:25:21 <frozenbinary_> haha
Jan 02 22:25:43 <frozenbinary_> http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2124097&posted=1#post2124097
Jan 02 22:27:04 <rwhitby> JenP: how are your phones doing?  fixed?
Jan 02 22:27:21 <JenP> yes!! up all night fixing them
Jan 02 22:27:49 <rwhitby> JenP: so you got DOOM! and Quake running ?
Jan 02 22:28:01 <JenP> but couldn't get doom running yet
Jan 02 22:28:29 <JenP> are you gonna automate the commands?
Jan 02 22:28:43 <rwhitby> JenP: DOOM! 1.1.2 just runs from the icon directly
Jan 02 22:29:03 <psi_> hi
Jan 02 22:29:06 <JenP> do i get it from preware or webos installer?
Jan 02 22:29:12 <rwhitby> JenP: Preware
Jan 02 22:29:22 <JenP> kk i can do that right now....
Jan 02 22:30:22 <psi_> are there any news concerning virtual keyboard's stability and/or usability? my last knowledge is it being pretty beta
Jan 02 22:30:25 <frozenbinary_> atlanta: so what do you think ?
Jan 02 22:30:56 <atlanta> ut oh
Jan 02 22:31:13 <JenP> rwhitby is palm still limiting how many apps you can have on the phone?
Jan 02 22:31:22 <rwhitby> JenP: nope
Jan 02 22:31:48 <JenP> then i dont understand why the app catalog errors each time it tries to reinstall my apps
Jan 02 22:32:01 <psi_> (i'd like to tape the two halves of the pre together for more stability :D)
Jan 02 22:32:06 <atlanta> frozenbinary_: looks like the password is webos
Jan 02 22:32:11 <atlanta> it says in the first post
Jan 02 22:32:24 <frozenbinary_> yea
Jan 02 22:32:26 <frozenbinary_> i tried that
Jan 02 22:32:29 <frozenbinary_> can you try on your phone
Jan 02 22:32:32 <frozenbinary_> it doesnt work for me
Jan 02 22:32:38 <frozenbinary_> do ##usbpass#
Jan 02 22:32:40 <frozenbinary_> then try it
Jan 02 22:32:45 <frozenbinary_> it says invalid 4 me
Jan 02 22:34:58 <frozenbinary_> i tried putting in as "webos"
Jan 02 22:35:02 <frozenbinary_> "Webos"
Jan 02 22:35:17 <frozenbinary_> and by default it puts the keyboard in numlock, so i left that on, and typed webos as wel
Jan 02 22:35:21 <frozenbinary_> and none of those work
Jan 02 22:37:16 <frozenbinary_> lol why would they put a password on it
Jan 02 22:37:20 <frozenbinary_> such a pain
Jan 02 22:37:35 <JenP> rwhitby!!!! ITS AWESOME!!!
Jan 02 22:38:11 <rwhitby> JenP: you need to run the Emergency Migration Helper to fix the app catalog problem
Jan 02 22:38:27 <JenP> where's that?
Jan 02 22:38:34 <rwhitby> Preware, of course ;)
Jan 02 22:38:41 <JenP> ofcourse!!
Jan 02 22:39:20 <rwhitby> JenP: you're not following @webosinternals on twitter?
Jan 02 22:39:49 <JenP> no...to be honest...i'm not much of a twitter'er
Jan 02 22:40:08 <JenP> but i will follow now
Jan 02 22:40:38 <rwhitby> you only need to follow @webosinternals, the rest of twitter is superfluous ;-)
Jan 02 22:41:02 <JenP> ;-) smiles...
Jan 02 22:44:08 <JenP> rwhitby what catagory is EMH under?
Jan 02 22:46:36 <rwhitby> JenP: List of Everything, then type "emerg"
Jan 02 22:47:20 <JenP> all i get  is limited emergency button
Jan 02 22:47:26 <frozenbinary_> can anyone try ##usbpass# and see if hte password webos works ?
Jan 02 22:48:32 <JenP> pms version 0.9.16 preware version 0.9.5
Jan 02 22:49:00 <rwhitby> JenP: oh man, you need ipkgservice 0.9.29 and preware 0.9.12
Jan 02 22:49:28 <rwhitby> I need to remove that  stand-alone installer - it doesn't work for 1.3.5
Jan 02 22:49:42 <atlanta> frozenbinary_: checking
Jan 02 22:49:46 <JenP> ohhhh well that's where the wiki took me....
Jan 02 22:50:36 <frozenbinary_> thanks !
Jan 02 22:51:27 <JenP> rwhitby...quake...awesome
Jan 02 22:51:38 <JenP> are you using the GPU?
Jan 02 22:51:48 <JenP> or still CPU?
Jan 02 22:52:51 <rwhitby> JenP: can't be sure, but we think GPU
Jan 02 22:53:11 <JenP> TOTALLY AWESOME!
Jan 02 22:55:03 <rwhitby> JenP: Palm snuck a new library into 1.3.5, which we've worked out how to use.  We think it's their preparation for a huge gaming demo at CES
Jan 02 22:55:27 <zsoc> rwhitby: we can't be sure about what?
Jan 02 22:55:29 <JenP> omg....
Jan 02 22:55:54 <frozenbinary_> cant wait for games here
Jan 02 22:56:00 <zsoc> rwhitby: the surface is created on /dev/fb1 which is initialized by the fb kernel driver using a powervr kernel module. The surface is GPU driven.
Jan 02 22:56:04 <JenP> very exciting...!!!
Jan 02 22:56:21 <frozenbinary_> i would love opengl support
Jan 02 22:57:04 <JenP> hey 1.3.5 any better wit sound latency?
Jan 02 22:57:08 <zsoc> frozenbinary_: the webos hackers extraordinaire over at -internals have been hacking away at opengl support all day
Jan 02 22:57:31 <rwhitby> zsoc: I though you were the only WHE
Jan 02 22:57:58 <frozenbinary_> cool cool
Jan 02 22:58:01 <zsoc> rwhitby: WHE, ahahaha.
Jan 02 23:05:43 <swisstomcat> zsoc: remember me talking about quake yesterday? bang and it's available today ...
Jan 02 23:05:57 <swisstomcat> wasn't me tho :)
Jan 02 23:06:21 <frozenbinary_> counterstrike is neext
Jan 02 23:06:25 <frozenbinary_> lol
Jan 02 23:07:36 <rwhitby> JenP: I've updated the wiki page, thanks.
Jan 02 23:07:52 <swisstomcat> how does one join webos-internals to help?
Jan 02 23:07:57 <JenP_> lol i'm now subscribed to the twitter account...
Jan 02 23:08:03 <JenP_> i will be stalking you avidly
Jan 02 23:08:07 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: /join #webos-internals ;-)
Jan 02 23:08:15 <swisstomcat> heh
Jan 02 23:09:06 <frozenbinary_> lol
Jan 02 23:09:49 <zsoc> swisstomcat: pretty natural progression. we'll probably have fceux tommorow ;)
Jan 02 23:12:06 <swisstomcat> let me know if i can help
Jan 02 23:13:18 <swisstomcat> hey
Jan 02 23:15:34 <Mark_M> Does anyone in here have any experience with the EXIF data in JPEG?  exiftool reports that the IFD2 directory is bad.
Jan 02 23:16:08 <swisstomcat> in general or regarding webos?
Jan 02 23:16:45 <Mark_M> The camera app doesn't seem to write the EXIF data correctly so it it is a WebOS issue.
Jan 02 23:16:51 <swisstomcat> oh
Jan 02 23:17:02 <Mark_M> Actually is it with writing the GPS data
Jan 02 23:17:21 <swisstomcat> then you have errors?
Jan 02 23:17:24 <Mark_M> I wanted to see if anyone had any experience with it before I begin ripping into the source
Jan 02 23:17:39 <swisstomcat> didn't tinker with it yet
Jan 02 23:17:58 <Mark_M> swisstomcat, yes, I receive a warning "Bad IFD2 directory" when I try to manipulate the EXIF data.
Jan 02 23:18:23 <Mark_M> I wanted to see about porting the exiftool to WebOS since it is just a big Perl script.
Jan 02 23:18:35 <swisstomcat> ah, cool
Jan 02 23:19:04 <Mark_M> I want to write certain tags that the camera app fails to write.
Jan 02 23:19:31 <swisstomcat> apparently others saw that problem too
Jan 02 23:19:39 <Mark_M> The camera app neglects writing DateTimeOriginal so only DateTime is available.
Jan 02 23:20:02 <Mark_M> Most image manipulation and storage programs look for DateTimeOriginal
Jan 02 23:20:47 <Mark_M> When I import images onto my PC the picture date and time is not there so Adobe uses the last modified date which is the time I import it.
Jan 02 23:21:15 <Mark_M> swisstomcat why do you say that others saw this issue?  Where?
Jan 02 23:22:02 <swisstomcat> http://friendfeed.com/jauderho/9494b1b0/jauder-ho-palm-pre-first-impressions-and-notes
Jan 02 23:22:20 <Mark_M> I can write a simple program to manipulate the EXIF data in WebOS using the exiftool script, but I need to get past the warning first.
Jan 02 23:22:52 <Mark_M> I am not very familiar with the structure of the EXIF data so this tool makes it easy for me without learning the standard.
Jan 02 23:22:52 <jauderho> enh?
Jan 02 23:22:58 <jauderho> someone say my name?
Jan 02 23:23:08 <swisstomcat> speaking of the devil :)
Jan 02 23:23:22 <Mark_M> Great, I was wondering how to deal iwth the Bad IFD2 directory warning with JPEGs from the exiftool.
Jan 02 23:23:27 <Mark_M> no kidding
Jan 02 23:24:03 <jauderho> I never looked much further into it. sorry. I did bug rik sagar from palm about fixing the exif though.
Jan 02 23:24:14 <jauderho> if you look at the shutter speed it's something ridiculous.
Jan 02 23:24:43 <swisstomcat> time to go .. g'night guys
Jan 02 23:24:48 <swisstomcat> and gals
Jan 02 23:24:55 <Mark_M> swisstomcat thanks and good night
Jan 02 23:24:59 <swisstomcat> np
Jan 02 23:25:04 <Mark_M> jaunderho oh that's where it is
Jan 02 23:25:16 <jauderho> from my original dump of the EXIF, it did not look like much care was given to debugging the EXIF. but it's not palm's fault. they just license a module from someone else.
Jan 02 23:25:31 <Mark_M> I know which is why I want to clean it up
Jan 02 23:26:06 <Mark_M> did you use exiftool to try to set the shutter speed to something reasonable?
Jan 02 23:30:08 <jfelectron> rick_home: ping
Jan 02 23:30:21 <Mark_M> jaunderho How did you determine that it was shutterspeed?
Jan 02 23:30:43 <Mark_M> I have two different JPEG with the same shutter speed and only one has the warning
Jan 02 23:31:54 <Mark_M> shutterspeed and exposuretime are both the same values
Jan 02 23:34:58 <Mark_M> jaunderho, did you mean exposure mode instead of shutter speed?
Jan 03 00:38:53 <frozenbinary_> so i am running preware for the first time, and it just says loading feeds
Jan 03 00:39:05 <frozenbinary_> which do i need to disable for this thing to load? or how long does it take the first time ?
Jan 03 00:41:31 <zsoc> frozenbinary_: how did you install / what versions?
Jan 03 00:43:54 <atlanta> how do i push my own params to a sceen
Jan 03 00:43:57 <atlanta> scene
Jan 03 00:47:01 <frozenbinary_> nevermind i got it, i just disabled all but one or two feeds
Jan 03 00:47:06 <frozenbinary_> then started re-enabling them
Jan 03 00:48:47 <joekinley1> atlanta through the constructor in the scene assistant and with the second (or was it the third?) parameter having the special arguments
Jan 03 00:48:54 <atlanta> think i got it hold on
Jan 03 00:49:27 <atlanta> let me test
Jan 03 00:50:06 <atlanta> joekinley1: what do i put for the 2nd param
Jan 03 00:50:06 <atlanta> ?
Jan 03 00:50:42 <joekinley1> did you take a look at the documentation for pushScene?
Jan 03 00:56:01 <atlanta> or not
Jan 03 00:57:51 <sepi> Where would the persistant data of a homebrewn app installed via preware be saved?
Jan 03 00:59:53 <zsoc> sepi: i think the fact that's it's homebrew is probably moot, i'm sure there's a standard location.
Jan 03 01:00:42 <atlanta> data as in
Jan 03 01:00:42 <atlanta> ?
Jan 03 01:01:05 <sepi> well there is the "classic notes" app
Jan 03 01:01:38 <sepi> I'm looking for the notes data
Jan 03 01:01:59 <sepi> well. I actually updated to 1.3.5 without first moving the homebrewn stuff
Jan 03 01:02:05 <sepi> stupid I know
Jan 03 01:03:04 <zsoc> atlanta: his app probably got migrated, but his data is still in the pit that is /var/...
Jan 03 01:03:21 <atlanta> gotcha
Jan 03 01:03:32 <atlanta> yea that would be a problem
Jan 03 01:03:38 <atlanta> zsoc: what u up to my man
Jan 03 01:04:16 <zsoc> atlanta: making your phone awesome :>
Jan 03 01:04:25 <sepi> do you know how the data could have been saved in /var?
Jan 03 01:04:41 <atlanta> zsoc: why thank you
Jan 03 01:04:48 <atlanta> zsoc: any way i can help you with that
Jan 03 01:04:48 <atlanta> ?
Jan 03 01:05:43 <zsoc> sepi: the original app location was /var/usr/palm/applications, so i'm assuming it's swimming around in there, maybe it's a bad assumption. i stop webos knowledge once something reaches mojo ;)
Jan 03 01:06:00 <zsoc> atlanta: chill in -internals and wait to test things? :)
Jan 03 01:07:22 <atlanta> zsoc: will dop
Jan 03 01:07:24 <atlanta> do**
Jan 03 01:07:53 <sepi> zsoc: the original for homebrewn?
Jan 03 01:08:14 <atlanta> sepi: the original for all apps
Jan 03 01:08:15 <zsoc> sepi: rod says run the migration helper, have you tried that?
Jan 03 01:08:51 <sepi> I'm doing it :)
Jan 03 01:21:41 <JenP> hi all!
Jan 03 01:44:57 <kmax12> so it seems the default behavior of a filter list is to only show the search field once the user starts typing. however, I am afraid my users won't know a search option is avaible so I want to show the fliter field always. any idea how to do this?
Jan 03 01:47:13 <Bmyers> show the little magnifying glass in the corner and pop it open that way?
Jan 03 01:53:13 <kmax12> Bmyers: how do I pop it?
Jan 03 01:57:41 <kmax12> ahh I think I may have figured it out. I need to use the open method
Jan 03 02:00:49 <Bmyers> if its a filter field there is an open method
Jan 03 02:06:55 <kmax12> Bmyers: how do I call the open method?
Jan 03 02:08:44 <jbjoerk> kmax12: this.controller.get("your-filterlist").mojo.open
Jan 03 02:11:48 <kmax12> so my html is: <div id="tocList" class="palm-list" style="position: absolute; top:50px; visibility:hidden">
Jan 03 02:11:48 <kmax12>     <div x-mojo-element="FilterList" id="toc" class="listClass" name="listName"></div>
Jan 03 02:11:48 <kmax12> </di
Jan 03 02:12:26 <kmax12> niether this.controller.get("toc").mojo.open nor this.controller.get("tocList").mojo.open work
Jan 03 02:16:34 <jbjoerk> kmax12: lettme test here,the prior (toc) should work
Jan 03 02:27:50 <kmax12> jbjoerk: thanks
Jan 03 02:29:40 <jbjoerk> kmax12: where are you calling it from?
Jan 03 02:29:42 <jbjoerk> works fine here
Jan 03 02:29:55 <kmax12> in my setup right after I setup the widget
Jan 03 02:29:56 <jbjoerk> I suspect it has to be called from activate (or later) though
Jan 03 02:31:56 <kmax12> jbjoerk: that did the trick
Jan 03 02:32:00 <kmax12> thanks a ton
Jan 03 02:32:12 <kmax12> also,  it was tocList that worked
Jan 03 02:34:14 <kmax12> well, it's sort of working. acting funky, but I think that is because I have 3 lists set up and I just toggle their visiblity
Jan 03 02:50:03 <jfelectron> haeffb: gave up on Mojo drawers in favor of my own innerHTML goodness
Jan 03 02:50:44 <jfelectron> haeffb: PS... I've also encountered the dialog causing scrolling problem
Jan 03 02:52:45 <haeffb> cool, bummer
Jan 03 02:53:05 <haeffb> I'm having issues of my own at the moment. Can anybody spot the problem with this code:  http://www.pastie.org/764563
Jan 03 02:53:33 <jfelectron> haeffb: the animation overhead of Mojo drawers was killing me, slow as molasses
Jan 03 02:54:01 <haeffb> so, you're just doing innerHTML within a list?
Jan 03 02:54:09 <jfelectron> haeffv: just swapping innerHTML is much snappier and I can easily keep track of where I am in the list and correct the scroll appropriately
Jan 03 02:54:20 <jfelectron> innerHTML on a drawer placeholder div
Jan 03 02:54:31 <jfelectron> which is in the list item template
Jan 03 02:54:44 <haeffb> right, right
Jan 03 02:55:13 <jfelectron> should have done it before, but didn't have the DOM manipulation skills then...now much more comfortable with all the methods
Jan 03 02:55:21 <haeffb> I gave up on the dialog causing scrolling problem, just forced scroll to top after the dialog
Jan 03 02:56:03 <haeffb> yeah, as I learn more, I'm always going back and saying "why the heck did I do *that*?"
Jan 03 02:56:16 <jfelectron> I have a function to figure what element is exposed at the top and then scroll to them, once the dialog closes
Jan 03 02:56:35 <jfelectron> haeffb: yeah, refactoring is *fun*
Jan 03 02:57:00 <jfelectron> haeffb: taking gander at your code now
Jan 03 02:57:02 <jbjoerk> haeffb: sorry, what are we looking for in the code? :=)
Jan 03 02:57:05 <haeffb> that may be useful. In my case, it's not a big deal since the divs that call the dialog are at/near top of scene
Jan 03 02:57:12 <haeffb> what's broken?
Jan 03 02:57:27 <haeffb> here's what happens in log:
Jan 03 02:58:04 <haeffb> [20100102-20:51:59.562360] info: Index: 1
Jan 03 02:58:04 <haeffb> [20100102-20:51:59.563395] info: Vehicle: {"value": 2, "label": "Jeep", "lastmil
Jan 03 02:58:04 <haeffb> eage": 0, "rate": 0}
Jan 03 02:58:04 <haeffb> [20100102-20:51:59.564131] info: Vehicle: Jeep New: 1222 Old: 0
Jan 03 02:58:04 <haeffb> [20100102-20:51:59.565443] info: Final: 1222
Jan 03 02:58:05 <haeffb> [20100102-20:51:59.566355] info: Vehicle: {"value": 2, "label": "Jeep", "lastmil
Jan 03 02:58:07 <haeffb> eage": 0, "rate": 0}
Jan 03 02:58:46 <haeffb> so, it's getting the correct value in "bigmiles" but Miles.vehicles[index].lastmileage is not updated
Jan 03 02:59:17 <jbjoerk> haeffb: is that field a prototype $H perhaps?
Jan 03 02:59:34 <haeffb> I have also found that Miles.vehicles[index].lastmileage = Math.max(...) doesn't work.
Jan 03 02:59:54 <haeffb> not that I'm aware. Don't use prototype $H.
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