**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jan 11 02:59:57 2010 Jan 11 03:00:34 jfelectron: will RegExp("[a-z][a-z][0-9]") work with "ab1"? Jan 11 03:01:21 LoneStar99: should...why is it not working? Jan 11 03:02:03 have not tested it yet, but seemed to simple Jan 11 03:02:22 reminds me of mod rewrite Jan 11 03:03:35 LoneStar99: its a simple thing you need to match Jan 11 03:03:49 jfelctron: if the extension would change from "jpg" to "gif" randomly, what is the best way of doing it? Jan 11 03:04:07 use an OR in the regexp...you know how to do that? Jan 11 03:05:07 jfelectron: fixed the calculations of the picker Jan 11 03:06:04 (([a-z][a-z][0-9]){1}(.jpg)|(.gif)) note that this will return an array of three things I think, one for each grouping match Jan 11 03:06:42 LoneStar99: cool...I reworked the original code to use this.controller.document...gave up on the class....have no idea why it doesn't work Jan 11 03:07:37 now I'm struggling with the stupid Range and Selection objects so I use use execCommand to change the color of the font in an editable div Jan 11 03:08:04 code that works in safari and chrome....fails in WebOS :( Jan 11 03:10:15 anyone using mytether 2.0.4? Jan 11 03:10:29 jfelectron: which code is that? Jan 11 03:15:17 droO: Freetether or whatever it's called. Jan 11 03:17:32 Does the Pre support animated Gifs? Jan 11 03:17:58 Jordan: it should Jan 11 03:18:23 LoneStar99: http://www.pastie.org/773134 Jan 11 03:18:44 Jordan: it defintely does.....1.3.5 supports them in the browser finally Jan 11 03:19:01 apps have had animated gif support for awhile Jan 11 03:19:28 LoneStar99: there seems to be a bug in the WebOS webkit with the range.setStartAfter method Jan 11 03:19:54 what does your does the code do? Jan 11 03:26:30 Basically, the color selector steals focus from an augemented richtextwidget that I have made....so I need to store the current user selection and then restore it once the color chooser returns Jan 11 03:27:23 its supposed to insert placeholders at the beginning and end of the selection...but the bug causes the range object to collapse so they both get inserted at the beginnning Jan 11 03:28:35 jfelectron: Interesting stuff, though. I've never worked with those. Be a good one for webos101.com when you do get it working (or to document what doesn't) Jan 11 03:31:47 its driving me crazy......my life would be a lot easier of the TextEdit methods were inherited by the RichTextWidget...but sadly they aren't Jan 11 03:32:16 The RTW is just an editable div Jan 11 03:32:59 I can do bold, italic, underline, strikethrough...bunch of other stuff, but having trouble when I need a dialog to decide what to do, it steals focus Jan 11 03:33:52 jfelectron: is there a web sample of what you are having problems with? Jan 11 03:37:22 LoneStar99: yup...http://www.timdown.co.uk/code/selections/ Jan 11 03:37:30 works like a champ in any browser Jan 11 03:38:21 I pulled out the methods that *should* work in webkit/webos...everything works up until I try to change the start position of the selection Jan 11 03:40:41 no one seems to know anything about this...so I'm just stumbling along :/ Jan 11 03:41:40 what do you use to synch the pre Jan 11 03:41:53 it is a div which the text inside can be edited? and a button is clicked to save the changes? Jan 11 03:42:19 LoneStar99: the button click saves the selection Jan 11 03:43:02 I need that so when I refocus the entry div I can restore the selection (or the cursor poistion, which is a selection with length 0) Jan 11 03:43:06 selection meaning "only" the work dhanged? Jan 11 03:43:33 huh? Jan 11 03:44:09 typo Jan 11 03:45:28 I just though of workaround, but the user experience will be clunky....I can have them choose a color and then apply that color to a selection or the cursor position...two steps instead of one Jan 11 03:45:53 testing on another browser, not sure i see what it is suppose to be doing Jan 11 03:46:20 Is there any way to do gif transparency? Jan 11 03:47:17 freakout! Jan 11 03:48:12 LoneStar99: don't worry about it...basically you should be able to select text, click the save button and then destroy the selection by clicking elsewhere and then click restore selection Jan 11 03:48:47 yeah, not working, destroy meaning "deleting"? Jan 11 03:49:04 IE...what browser? Jan 11 03:49:19 destory as in just click anywhere else Jan 11 03:51:12 oh ok, got it, understand what it does Jan 11 03:51:20 Jordan: I haven't encountered any gifs or animated gifs with transparency so I can't tell you exactly Jan 11 03:52:49 Jordan: do you have to use gifs? Jan 11 03:53:00 jfelectron: webOS does not restore the selection properly? Jan 11 03:53:23 LoneStar99: it screws up saving it, so restoring it is hopeless Jan 11 03:54:09 I can create a Range object, which represents the user selection...but when I try to manipulate it, it collapses to the start of the selection, so I loose all the information Jan 11 03:54:38 LoneStar99: anyhoo...I have to run...later Jan 11 03:54:47 an idea: "this text really sucks bad" - user selects "sucks" and clicks save Jan 11 03:56:40 you make a cookie with ""this text really /*/sucks/*/ bad" - the selection in between /*/ sucks /*/ Jan 11 03:57:11 receives the focus when you click restore Jan 11 03:58:17 so the cookie will always store the last selection Jan 11 03:58:24 Oh yeah, if I just wanted to handle selections no prob...I can get the selected text, then I just replace that text with a with its color set Jan 11 03:58:56 the trouble is that I want to be able to set the color from the cursor position on Jan 11 03:59:55 i will be online - will think about solutions Jan 11 04:00:10 OK..thanks :) I'll be back later Jan 11 04:00:22 k Jan 11 04:07:25 Hi guys.. has anyone successfully used the fastAccelerometer property? Doesn't seem to work for me, and in fact after launching an app that sets it my launcher is hosed... can't launch anything, can't even hold the power button to cycle the phone.. Jan 11 04:08:59 jfelectron: gif's allow animation Jan 11 04:09:04 That's why i used them Jan 11 04:09:07 but I just gave up Jan 11 04:11:17 has anyone used setWindowProperties successfully? Jan 11 04:13:23 my results in this irc channel are mirroring my results on the phone ;) Jan 11 04:14:03 mikemcelligott Jan 11 04:14:10 what's your problem???? Jan 11 04:14:40 can't seem to get fastAccelerometer working.. have you ever used it? Jan 11 04:14:45 still getting results at 4hz Jan 11 04:14:52 ahhh Jan 11 04:15:03 I've seen it demo'ed how are you calling to set it? Jan 11 04:15:04 specifically this doesn't work... Jan 11 04:15:05 Mojo.Controller.stageController.setWindowProperties({blockScreenTimeout: true, fastAccelerometer: true}); Jan 11 04:15:33 mikemcelligott when are you doing that? Jan 11 04:15:46 StageAssistant.prototype.setup Jan 11 04:16:08 the whole thing is Jan 11 04:16:14 StageAssistant.prototype.setup = function() { Jan 11 04:16:14 Mojo.Controller.stageController.setWindowProperties({blockScreenTimeout: true, fastAccelerometer: true}); Jan 11 04:16:14 Mojo.Controller.stageController.pushScene({name: 'first'},{}); Jan 11 04:16:14 } Jan 11 04:16:40 JordanGensler: who are you? :p Jan 11 04:17:08 mikemcelligott are you running a multi-scene app, or does this have just one scene? Jan 11 04:17:29 just one scene Jan 11 04:17:47 ok, despite that, I would move this to your scene assistants startup. Jan 11 04:17:59 setup? activate? Jan 11 04:18:10 setup I think.... Jan 11 04:18:17 Hey, if anybody at Palm's online, your ImageProxy script is open to anybody viewing screenshots from any app; here's one I found for Mobile HotSpot: http://developer.palm.com/libraries/palm/apps/ImageProxy.php?language=0&screenshot=0&appid=3269 Jan 11 04:18:49 (Pretty cool, though) Jan 11 04:20:16 jeffwheeler: anyone can get screenshot URLs from the RSS feeds anyway Jan 11 04:20:17 chokage... and now the launcher won't work (this bug is consistent after I make a setWindowProperties call) Jan 11 04:20:42 rwhitby, oh, I guess so, yeah Jan 11 04:20:45 in fact, Preware is relying on the fact that app screenshots are published openly by Palm Jan 11 04:22:47 So, I've spent a while today trying to mimic app/models/feed.js in my own app for a list's model, but I can't seem to get it to save correctly. Jan 11 04:22:50 The original is here: http://developer.palm.com/libraries/palm/apps/ImageProxy.php?language=0&screenshot=0&appid=3269 Jan 11 04:23:02 My duplicate is here: http://pastie.org/773172 Jan 11 04:23:26 The problem lies in saveStops(); the first two lines print fine, but neither the onSuccess nor onFailure print anything. Jan 11 04:24:12 As far as I can tell though, that function is defined the same as in the original, and this.db is too. Jan 11 04:28:56 mikemcelligott that's really horrid. Have you tried creating a truely minimal app that pretty much _just_ does that, to see if it works? Jan 11 04:29:16 and are you logging ahead of and behind that, and have you try-catched the call to setwindowproperties Jan 11 04:29:32 and have have you switched to doing each one of your two settings independently with try catches? Jan 11 04:35:57 no, not yet.. I have to pull the battery after each test, so as you can imagine, I was just hoping to find a working example Jan 11 04:36:08 though I did remove the one property... same thing happened Jan 11 04:36:18 with just fastAccelerometer, that is Jan 11 04:36:43 pulling battery and trying to catch the problem.. it pretty much chokes at the setWindowProperties call and works fine without it Jan 11 04:36:52 so it has to be that call that is causing the problem Jan 11 04:38:14 mikemcelligott sounds rightious. Jan 11 04:38:23 so, 1) put in JUST the timeout call to make sure that's ok Jan 11 04:38:46 k, good idea Jan 11 04:38:47 then 2) try-catch the accelerometer call and see if that keeps it from crashing Jan 11 04:38:48 hold on a sec Jan 11 04:44:52 nope, same problem.. but it is only the accelerometer call that causes it to choke Jan 11 04:45:04 the screen timeout property setting seems to not cause the same problem Jan 11 04:46:10 pre pr pixi? Jan 11 04:46:45 mikemcelligott on a pre or a pixi? Jan 11 04:46:57 and you ARE running 1.3.5.1 right mikemcelligott Jan 11 04:48:13 Rick: I gave up on that color-picker class....don't ask me why the original code, which is closure upon closure upon closure runs stable while my closure free class doesn't. Actually, another difference is that my class uses the abstracted Mojo listeners while the original code just attaches onmouseup and onmousedown DOM listeners. Jan 11 04:51:03 pre Jan 11 04:51:12 yep Jan 11 04:51:31 lemme verify.. Jan 11 04:51:39 yep 1.3.5.1 Jan 11 04:51:55 used webos doctor because 1.3.5.1 wasn't working correctly with some patches Jan 11 04:52:09 then did a normal update from 1.3.1 to 1.3.5.1 Jan 11 04:52:18 everything seems to work except for this call Jan 11 04:52:47 and it seems to be particularly that property.. I'm reverifying that it doesn't happen with just the call to disable the screen timeou Jan 11 04:52:48 timeout Jan 11 04:53:40 jfelectron I fall back to mousup and mousedown listeners "frequently" Jan 11 04:54:11 if it ain't broke why do something different? Jan 11 04:54:41 yep, everything is fine if I comment out that line Jan 11 04:55:00 and not fine if I don't.. I'm d/ling the SDK version 1.3.5.1 to see if the emulator gives me some idea of what's going on Jan 11 05:04:35 mikemecelligot: debugging on device is hard...the messages are very limited Jan 11 05:04:54 make sure to enable all the event logging in framework_config.json Jan 11 05:05:08 you'll want all the chatter you can get Jan 11 05:06:00 "logEvents":true, Jan 11 05:06:00 "debuggingEnabled":true, Jan 11 05:06:07 "logLevel":99, Jan 11 05:10:40 LoneStar99: almost cracked this beast, the solution is is much simpler than that web code...not sure why they even bother inserting the markers Jan 11 05:11:23 jfelectron: great, really what is the solution? Jan 11 05:12:34 getSelectionInfo: function() { Jan 11 05:12:34 this.selection=this.controller.window.getSelection() Jan 11 05:12:35 var range = (this.selection.rangeCount === 0) ? null : this.selection.getRangeAt(0); Jan 11 05:12:35 this.selectionInfo={range: range,anchorNode: this.selection.anchorNode,anchorOffset: this.selection.anchorOffset,focusNode: this.selection.focusNode,focusOffset:this.selection.focusOffset} Jan 11 05:12:35 }, Jan 11 05:12:59 this.selectionInfo stores all the info about the selection Jan 11 05:13:28 oh ok, very cryptic... Jan 11 05:13:41 no kidding....the documentation is horrible Jan 11 05:14:21 suffice it to say that anchorNode and anchorOffset give you the start of the selection and the focus ones give you the end Jan 11 05:14:41 for 30 minute, been trying to figure out some error, it turns out the debugger stopped working... Jan 11 05:15:11 it does do that sometimes....quite frustrating Jan 11 05:15:26 I've been debugging with Ares...don't use it for anything else actually :) Jan 11 05:15:42 with Ares, the debugger is pretty well behaved Jan 11 05:16:00 but there is the annoyance of having to upload changes because the editor sucks IMO Jan 11 05:16:25 the payoff is that you don't have to to print blah all the time Jan 11 05:16:37 its just like a browser JS console Jan 11 05:17:57 will try developing an app with ares in soon. Jan 11 05:20:26 I don't recommend developing..but its nice for debugging Jan 11 05:20:40 the editor is really basic...syntax highlighting and that's about it Jan 11 05:20:57 copy and paste doesn't work....no code completion...etc Jan 11 05:22:09 messed with Ares for about 20 minutes... UI looks nice Jan 11 05:22:23 won a bid on a palm pre today Jan 11 05:23:41 saw that earlier....unlocked for $200? Jan 11 05:24:44 here's a question: aside from selling your app...what's the business model of urloid? Pretty steep competition in url shortening no? Jan 11 05:25:29 yeah, the dude got it in december and replaced it with a hero Jan 11 05:25:45 Also, what do you think about the criticism that url shortening threatens the long-term stability of the web....say urloid goes under....links go poof right? Jan 11 05:26:04 LoneStar99: I had serious considerations along the Hero line...but I've stuck with the Pre Jan 11 05:26:28 jfelectron: no business model at all, might cover hosting expenses Jan 11 05:26:48 ahh...just curious Jan 11 05:27:13 jfelectron: yeah the links will go dead, unless someone else buys the DB Jan 11 05:27:33 I mean I think bit.ly and such sell their tracking data now....that's the where the money is ...the analytics Jan 11 05:27:52 gives a real time picture of the zeitgeist if you userbase is large enough Jan 11 05:28:46 eventually, will add more features to urloid, i use it personally to remeber the cluster "f-ck" of sites i need info from Jan 11 05:29:41 I didn't use url shortening until I used twitter, but now I use it for all sorts of things Jan 11 05:29:42 need to remember a regex example from site XYZ, i simply do: uoid.me/regex1 or whatever Jan 11 05:30:20 Oh yeah, if you expose user specified shortened urls...that would be cool Jan 11 05:31:27 can't remeber bit.ly/cVbne but can memorize uoid.me/cssthemes2 Jan 11 05:31:41 yeah, I completely agree Jan 11 05:32:02 bit.ly isn't terribly useful for memorizing...just compacting for sending Jan 11 05:32:12 jfelectron: what do you mean by user specified? Jan 11 05:32:56 hi guys.. got cut off somehow Jan 11 05:33:16 umm.....I have used urloid, so I don't know what it does....but I mean I give you a long url and also a little string that I want to append to the shortened url for memory Jan 11 05:33:34 the string after the terminal / Jan 11 05:33:39 well, the emulator seems to work fine with setting the "fastAccelerometer" property, but the phone does not. I've got an email in to the guy who wrote the pedometer app to see how he's doing it because he apparently has it working Jan 11 05:34:18 yeah that is what urloid does Jan 11 05:36:12 hmm...really...can't seem to get the custom keyword thing to work Jan 11 05:36:40 jfelectron: http://urloid.com/api/?url=Long-URL&mask=Your_Keyword&slim=0 Jan 11 05:36:53 ah...got it Jan 11 05:37:36 pretty straight foward Jan 11 05:38:02 yeah..cool Jan 11 05:38:32 I'm flying across the country tomorrow...so I have some shit to do....see ya later Jan 11 05:38:47 ok laters have a good trip! Jan 11 05:40:53 thnx Jan 11 05:47:20 does anyone know where the photos that are pulled down from facebook,google, etc for profiles get stored? Jan 11 05:54:49 are the following the same thing "if (event.target.id == 'gwb') {" and "switch (event.target.id) { case gwb:" Jan 11 05:56:33 the switch statement would also need to have gwb in quotes Jan 11 05:56:46 so case 'gwb': Jan 11 05:57:01 oh thanks, that was the problem,,,, Jan 11 05:57:10 what an idiot Jan 11 05:57:17 no worries Jan 11 05:57:22 thanks Jan 11 05:59:39 thought I was loosing my mind... Jan 11 06:00:02 haha yeah I've had lots of moments like that Jan 11 06:02:43 Anyone here testing the alpha version of Preware that accesses the palm app catalog? Jan 11 06:07:03 does anyone if there is a was to figure out what someone is listening too? Like through the music player or maybe even Pandora? Jan 11 06:07:13 sorry bad typing Jan 11 06:07:15 mornin: rwhitby Jan 11 06:07:28 does anyone know if there is a way... Jan 11 06:08:03 via webOS? Jan 11 06:08:12 LoneStar99: yes Jan 11 06:08:24 probably not...just thought I would ask Jan 11 06:08:57 it would be cool if all music apps hooked into a common service that exposed the metadata of the current listening Jan 11 06:09:21 for scrobbling, blogging...etc Jan 11 06:10:13 i am sure there is a way to send it back, to a server, but each service would have the capabilty Jan 11 06:10:46 have to have the feature Jan 11 06:11:18 yeah....I'm talking about a system service. Its like how gchat knows what you're listening too Jan 11 06:12:11 oh i see, - Jan 11 06:13:20 quick question: a div is dynamically sent text and works on tap, but on another button submit the div text turns into "undefined" what could it be? Jan 11 06:14:27 Ok...I understand what you want to do....can you post the code? Jan 11 06:15:00 are you going innerHTML or element.update? Jan 11 06:15:36 innerHTML Jan 11 06:15:51 and are you sure the string you're trying to update it with is valid? i.e it contains something? Jan 11 06:16:02 this.controller.get(scIt).innerHTML = scTxt; this.controller.get(scIt).setStyle({color: scCol}); Jan 11 06:16:04 have you logged the string just before you do innerHTML? Jan 11 06:16:19 log scTxt just before that Jan 11 06:17:08 weird thing is on tap both above work, and button click, the color stays, but the text turns to undefined... Jan 11 06:18:01 ok testing log Jan 11 06:25:04 think i need to make it global, Jan 11 06:25:47 mmmm....just store in a property of the scene assistant object Jan 11 06:26:23 and make the event handler is bound to this Jan 11 06:28:42 http://www.pastebin.org/74110 Jan 11 06:29:57 i think, it turns into undefined, because "var scTxt" is in a function... Jan 11 06:31:34 but so is the this.controller....innerHTML no? Jan 11 06:31:44 they are both within the scope of the function Jan 11 06:32:51 yeah, weird, one keeps the properties Jan 11 06:33:27 line 28 turns into undefined Jan 11 06:34:30 in one case you have a global and in the other you have a var Jan 11 06:34:57 oh yeah, just a test Jan 11 06:35:18 but still did keep the dynamic text Jan 11 06:35:29 still did not Jan 11 06:37:42 So this yields undefined? Mojo.Log.info("<< Jan 11 06:38:19 (gwGlobal += 0) ? +=0? Jan 11 06:40:10 oh the gwGlobal is for keeping record of results Jan 11 06:42:05 Ok....but +=0 is meaningless Jan 11 06:42:43 on button click = [20100110-22:41:46.698515] info: << why the is ID funky like that? Jan 11 06:44:00 I dunno why your code doesn't work...must be something little and stupid Jan 11 06:44:55 on tap click: [20100110-22:44:09.528345] info: << on tap ID = 'ywb" which is correct ---- on button click ID = 'palm_anon_element_1mojo-scene-firstgo_button-buttonLabel' Jan 11 06:47:24 palm_anon_element_1mojo-scene-firstgo_button-buttonLabel is the name div Jan 11 06:47:48 name of div, you are probably right, it is gonna be something stupid Jan 11 06:48:05 code worked before when it was hard coded Jan 11 06:48:22 how is button click different than tap? Jan 11 06:48:34 you tap on the button no? Jan 11 06:49:35 are you sure that one of the cases is actually being evaluated? Jan 11 06:49:59 try setting var scTxt='default' above the switch statement Jan 11 06:50:26 the target.id doesn't match one of those Jan 11 06:50:52 i'm still confused what a button click is though Jan 11 06:51:39 http://www.pastebin.org/74116 Jan 11 06:52:11 that was the old code, which worked Jan 11 06:54:06 ok works outside if switch statement Jan 11 06:54:21 it ends up being default? Jan 11 06:54:27 yeah Jan 11 06:54:45 So are either of the conditionals true? Jan 11 06:54:52 I'm not convinced they are Jan 11 06:55:21 it was undefined because it was only intialized inside the switch cases Jan 11 06:55:30 if neither of those are true it never gets a value Jan 11 06:55:57 Is this the ID that gets passed to the handler: palm_anon_element_1mojo-scene-firstgo_button-buttonLabel ? Jan 11 06:56:18 yes it is Jan 11 06:56:24 that doesn't match! Jan 11 06:56:41 listen to the tap event Jan 11 06:56:58 I have never used a button click event Jan 11 06:57:42 button: Mojo.Event.listen(this.controller.get('go_button'),Mojo.Event.tap, this.send.bind(this)); Jan 11 06:58:07 tap: Mojo.Event.listen(this.controller.document,Mojo.Event.tap,this.scSwap.bind(this)); Jan 11 06:58:39 What's the ordering here? Jan 11 06:58:46 you have two buttons? Jan 11 06:59:06 yes Jan 11 06:59:16 and you want to swap in response to what? Jan 11 07:00:23 in response to the tap Jan 11 07:01:00 why is it bound to document instead of the touch target div? Jan 11 07:03:13 oh, sorry it is for the scroller that you helped me fix and the other is a regular button Jan 11 07:03:50 OK...I'm guessing you have a nested div problem Jan 11 07:03:54 Lets see the HTML Jan 11 07:06:08
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Jan 11 07:06:16 http://www.pastebin.org/74117 Jan 11 07:09:13 and you're tapping on the divs with the different background images? Jan 11 07:09:28 what's the deal with the different z-indexes Jan 11 07:10:13 z-indexes; so they would not cause problems in css Jan 11 07:10:21 why'd you go with a switch instead of the previous method, where you can use the id to get the path of the background src? Jan 11 07:11:35 i am using your code, but need to switch for some values, which would be pretty complicated to make dynamically Jan 11 07:11:55 but need the switch Jan 11 07:13:55 umm....they're all local right? Just rename then so they are all canonical Jan 11 07:15:14 yeah local Jan 11 07:15:52 What we had before worked...so just use that pattern Jan 11 07:16:07 or something similar to it Jan 11 07:16:44 yeah gonna rethink the switch logic, it is screwing everything up Jan 11 07:17:07 something wierd is going on....with the debugger in front of me I can't say what Jan 11 07:17:30 it definitely seems like the target isn't matching though, just not sure why Jan 11 07:17:48 oh you are testing the code? Jan 11 07:18:38
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is where the text changes dynamically Jan 11 07:18:39 no.....I don't have the rest of it anymore Jan 11 07:19:10 i think the real ID is that long ass name Jan 11 07:19:49 OK, the container div must be 'catching' the tap before the image divs do Jan 11 07:19:58 I bet if you get the container div an id...you Jan 11 07:20:04 you'll see that as the taget Jan 11 07:20:06 target Jan 11 07:20:36 I gotta run....good luck! Jan 11 07:20:40 ok laters Jan 11 07:20:42 thansk Jan 11 07:20:46 np Jan 11 08:41:11 doesnt text-shadow work on webOS? Jan 11 08:53:14 someone on here wanna help me out? Jan 11 08:59:31 Hello all Jan 11 09:02:19 anyone on? Jan 11 09:03:07 im working with list formaters and it says the funtions are suppose to be passed the property to format and the model object but it only get the property Jan 11 09:05:03 this channel is not as helpful as it use to be.. Jan 11 09:06:30 It's late, not as many people on Jan 11 09:06:57 As far as your list format question, are you using a template for list items? Jan 11 09:07:44 yes Jan 11 09:12:05 But you are unable to use the variables that are passed to it, correct? Jan 11 09:13:14 the docs say that the funtion is supposed to be passed the property to format and the object that contains that property but im only getting the property to format Jan 11 09:14:24 it says "Formatter functions receive the relevant property value as their first argument, and the appropriate model object or items element as their second." Jan 11 09:14:27 on palm Jan 11 09:18:56 can you show your code in pastebin? Jan 11 09:19:34 morning Jan 11 09:19:42 i get the dreaded "fil Jan 11 09:19:52 yeah one sec Jan 11 09:19:58 failed_not_enough_install_space Jan 11 09:20:03 with palm-install Jan 11 09:20:36 but /var is only used 22% Jan 11 09:20:40 pretomcat: : what version of the sdk? Jan 11 09:20:42 any ideas? Jan 11 09:20:51 1.3.1 Jan 11 09:21:44 I would uninstall and try 1.3.5 Jan 11 09:22:43 http://pastie.org/773347 Jan 11 09:23:19 you think it could be a sdk problem? Jan 11 09:24:34 it's worth a try. Worse case, you'll have the latest SDK Jan 11 09:27:55 edektor: 2 things. Your items are commented out (I assume you did so for editing purposes). Also, you have a comma in your last list item (line 9). That will break stuff... Jan 11 09:28:48 thats commented out.. Jan 11 09:29:02 those items are just there for testing with static data Jan 11 09:29:31 the comma should not matter it's commented out Jan 11 09:33:49 gotcha...so where are you loading data? also, when you run does the list not show at all or do you get the correct number of "blank" list items? Jan 11 09:34:18 im loading the data from the web.. Jan 11 09:35:03 and everything works except the format function does not get passed both said variables Jan 11 09:44:21 stupid question, edektor Jan 11 09:44:35 is the function called formatDate? Jan 11 09:44:46 yeah Jan 11 09:44:50 not XXAssistant.prototype.formatDate? Jan 11 09:44:56 OK...so after a little reading, I think you need to add the "value" and "item" properties in your model. The static examples don't have properties with those names... Jan 11 09:45:09 well it wrapped in Class.create Jan 11 09:45:12 it's Jan 11 09:45:35 ok Jan 11 09:45:54 so I dont need XXXAssistant.prototype Jan 11 09:46:11 i see Jan 11 09:49:09 ...and also remove the passed variables, ie function() instead of function(value, item). Jan 11 09:49:18 the key names in the formatters match the ones in the html for the list template? Jan 11 09:50:03 scratch that last line! Jan 11 09:51:43 The key names DO NOT change! Instead, it adds a new property/value pair to the model. Jan 11 09:52:21 The new property name will be the old one with the word "Formatted" appended to the end. Jan 11 09:53:20 edektor: in the example i have the parameters are propertyvalue and model Jan 11 09:54:10 Sorry...I was using wIRC on my Pre. Back on the computer, this is much better... Jan 11 09:54:13 pretomcat: it shoulddnt matter what the variable names for the items get passed to the functions are Jan 11 09:54:27 thta* Jan 11 09:54:29 that* Jan 11 09:56:07 that's true Jan 11 09:56:11 So what I was saying is I believe the property names you pass to your formatter must match property names in your model. The formatter WON'T replace the property with the new value, but instead app a new property/value pair to the model. Jan 11 09:56:14 only how you use them Jan 11 09:56:53 The new property name will be the old one with the word "Formatted" appended to it. (ie hour -> hourFormatted). Jan 11 09:57:04 yes but I do I access the model from the format function Jan 11 09:57:28 model.myData = "new Value"; Jan 11 09:57:28 So you'd use the new property name in your HTML template, not the original property name. Jan 11 09:58:00 yes and I shows up and all when I return it from the format function Jan 11 09:58:18 but there is data in the item model that I need to use to format the property Jan 11 09:59:16 but in the pastie example you don't use item in the function Jan 11 09:59:39 What he said... Jan 11 09:59:41 the passed variable item which is the model Jan 11 10:01:51 Question: In your item template, are you using nextEpisodeAirdateFormatted & nextEpisodeTitleFormatted??? Jan 11 10:09:59 edektor: you get the last posts? Jan 11 10:49:47 hi2all Jan 11 10:51:29 Is there any Mojo.Scroller expert ? :) I need some advices Jan 11 10:57:34 fanatsumy: what ya wanna know Jan 11 11:04:01 I need to freeze scroller boundaries Jan 11 11:04:22 here is my description of the problem i have http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=4328 Jan 11 11:37:06 hi Jan 11 11:37:15 is there an irc app for webOS? Jan 11 11:37:16 hi Jan 11 11:38:08 Do you need an irc client for your phone? Jan 11 11:42:33 not really Jan 11 11:42:39 or not YET actually Jan 11 11:42:54 but i like to have one with whichever phone i'm using Jan 11 11:46:49 http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/213722-wirc-webos-irc-client.html Jan 11 11:47:08 wIRC - it's in Preware Jan 11 12:23:33 hmm. Jan 11 12:23:39 i've got a lot to learn Jan 11 13:24:35 Hi. Can anyone tell me if it should be possible for locally stored html/JS that is loaded into a WebView widget to call Mojo Service Requests ? Jan 11 15:09:45 good morning everyone Jan 11 15:10:02 morning Jan 11 15:10:28 can someone look at so atabase code for me and help explain why i cant get the data to display Jan 11 15:10:54 what sort of databse data? Jan 11 15:11:20 i have a scene where i set up a database and table... Jan 11 15:11:34 it then calls the insert function Jan 11 15:11:44 then the query function Jan 11 15:12:21 However the result will not show unless i select a button to update the div Jan 11 15:12:25 http://pastebin.com/m160a64c3 Jan 11 15:12:57 I want to see the data when i query it Jan 11 15:16:44 ok let me see... Jan 11 15:17:38 thanks Jan 11 15:18:29 http://pastebin.com/d2dd3dee1 : should update the div as part of the success handler Jan 11 15:18:39 no variables, just checking Jan 11 15:18:56 hi sugardave Jan 11 15:19:24 i do on line 12 Jan 11 15:19:31 had a typo Jan 11 15:19:35 http://pastebin.com/d2b235439 Jan 11 15:19:51 yeah, but you're using 2 different vars Jan 11 15:19:56 this.my_num2 and my_num2 Jan 11 15:20:15 I just want to see if the results from the query will populate inside the success handler Jan 11 15:21:25 i am confused do you want me to past your code and try Jan 11 15:21:29 yes Jan 11 15:21:53 one sec Jan 11 15:22:43 sugardave you are awesome Jan 11 15:22:48 indeed Jan 11 15:22:50 but what did you do Jan 11 15:22:50 :P Jan 11 15:22:57 added the binds again Jan 11 15:23:07 I think you were also using 2 different vars Jan 11 15:23:16 this.my_num2 and my_num2 are probably not the same thing Jan 11 15:23:20 last night that did not work i must have hade a typo Jan 11 15:23:32 since 'this' inside the success handler is a different scope Jan 11 15:23:42 oh yeah i was trying different things Jan 11 15:23:48 cool Jan 11 15:23:52 thanks Jan 11 15:23:54 np Jan 11 15:24:36 now i need to go play with this code again thanks Jan 11 15:25:32 fun awaits Jan 11 15:25:39 rjtaylor: what happens when you hit the button? Jan 11 15:26:12 sugardave: how does the app catalog search work? keywords? Jan 11 15:26:31 rjtaylor: line 14 should also be ...function(transaction, error).... Jan 11 15:26:46 LoneStar99: beats me....I know that people have been not loving the search Jan 11 15:27:45 when i hit the button i get the div update however the code that sugargave seemed to work fine Jan 11 15:27:52 yeah I have a app, and try 10 keywords and only get 1 keyword out of 10 Jan 11 15:28:12 rjtaylor: ^^^^ see my last comment Jan 11 15:28:24 rjtaylor: great - sugardave is the man Jan 11 15:28:27 oh yeah thanks Jan 11 15:29:41 sugardave: how would I set a text value as global? Jan 11 15:30:20 LoneStar99: just make a global var and assign it....so in your app assistant or stage assistant do: Jan 11 15:30:29 myGlobalVar = 'my global text'; Jan 11 15:30:36 with no var in front....makes it global Jan 11 15:30:39 need to set "boom" as global, then have it change dynamically? Jan 11 15:30:49 oh, same Jan 11 15:30:54 myGlobalVar = 'boom'; Jan 11 15:31:02 then you can change it whenever you want Jan 11 15:31:24 be advised: global variables should be avoided Jan 11 15:31:28 so thisGlobal = 'boom' then to change it thisGlobal = 'bam' ?? Jan 11 15:31:33 yep Jan 11 15:32:04 sugardave: yeah, i use very little, but they are a must in some cases with my app Jan 11 15:32:18 yeah, just be careful Jan 11 15:32:57 the globals are for non sensitive info Jan 11 15:33:25 or what do you mean by careful? so I can avoid any problems... Jan 11 15:33:54 I just mean make sure you're not stepping on some other global var of the same name....can happen when using others' packages/code Jan 11 15:34:04 then BOOM Jan 11 15:34:07 you're toast Jan 11 15:34:41 packages meaning another random app? Jan 11 15:36:50 LoneStar99: like, if I wanted to include Dojo, or somebody else's library of stuff Jan 11 15:37:06 I'm calling that a "package" which may not be correct, but works for me :D Jan 11 15:37:59 oh ok, got it. http://webos.pastebin.com/d1f4ef60b is an example what I am trying to accomplish Jan 11 15:39:00 line 7 only works when the switch is tiggered, if not causes an "undefined" if switch is not triggered Jan 11 15:39:28 LoneStar99: if you use 'var' then that variable is not global and will only be scoped (availabled) inside the scSwap function Jan 11 15:39:46 sugardave: im confused on how to re-add my help menu to my app now that i've went the app-assistant route instead of stage-assistants Jan 11 15:40:11 yetdog: Bmyers_ went though all the app menu hell...I still haven't done any app controller apps Jan 11 15:40:23 might need to do one handleLaunch command in the app asst, but not sure Jan 11 15:40:27 no problem :) thanks for the direction, i'll bug him ;) Jan 11 15:40:30 np Jan 11 15:40:40 ping Bmyers_ ? :) Jan 11 15:41:25 sugardave: so if I set line 7 to scTxt = 'boom'; and then set a global in stage assistant such as scTxt = 'bam' it should work? Jan 11 15:41:51 i really hope webOS lasts a while Jan 11 15:41:58 it really is nice Jan 11 15:42:03 basically, if you make a new variable ANYWHERE without using 'var' it is now a global var Jan 11 15:42:12 android and iphone are taking the lead unfortunately.. Jan 11 15:42:20 you think it's due to marketing? Jan 11 15:42:21 you don't necessarily need to declare it in the stage asst, but it's helpful for management Jan 11 15:42:48 ok, let me test it out Jan 11 15:43:25 Dialekt: marketing, fanboys, blindness to different/better ways to do things, all that Jan 11 15:43:41 yeah.. somewhat.. Jan 11 15:43:50 intuitiveness is the main point Jan 11 15:43:51 i say mostly media Jan 11 15:43:56 but the Pre does not lack that Jan 11 15:44:15 media only follows what makes them the most money Jan 11 15:44:22 Dialekt also the webOS has now matched the iphone with 3d gaming. Just need more devs to start writing c/cpp and opengl code Jan 11 15:44:28 or more ports Jan 11 15:44:31 i just think it's sad because Palm is the originator of the fun/friendly smartphone Jan 11 15:44:50 CTLAdvance: I ought to be able to learn c/c++ AND opengl by the weekend...whaddaya say? Jan 11 15:44:52 Basically Palm is staging a comeback right now Jan 11 15:44:55 CTLAdvance: keep in mind iphone 4.0 is not going to be the same thing Jan 11 15:45:05 <_lance_> CTLAdvance: Wish they'd speed up on the non-US front Jan 11 15:45:10 yahoo is not hot, so they cover google, myspace is not hot so they follow facebook, etc... Jan 11 15:45:12 Ummm.... if you know how to code in java c++ maybe to some degree Jan 11 15:45:14 GSM GSM Jan 11 15:45:21 c is a whole different beast then C++ Jan 11 15:45:24 CTLAdvance: nope Jan 11 15:45:28 if you dont know c++ then start wigth c Jan 11 15:45:28 media is the killer Jan 11 15:45:28 starting from nothing Jan 11 15:45:30 AT&T i hope they get a completely different device alltogether Jan 11 15:45:37 Start with C Sugardave Jan 11 15:45:38 i wonder why they didn't opt for a bigger screen Jan 11 15:45:39 ? Jan 11 15:45:46 that's the trend nowadays. Jan 11 15:45:58 iphone screen size is like bare minimum usually Jan 11 15:46:05 Because they went with a zen feeling Jan 11 15:46:09 <_lance_> sugardave: good luck. You'll soon be intimiately familiar with the words "Segmentation error" Jan 11 15:46:15 yeehaw Jan 11 15:46:17 zen as in the creepy lady from the commercials? Jan 11 15:46:18 lol Jan 11 15:47:07 Look at it this way, device wise Palm webOS pre is better than the iPhone now that we have 3d gaming, and a way to executec code Jan 11 15:47:18 also we will have flash next month Jan 11 15:47:31 when the pre first came out i wasn't impressed because i was short sold because it was choppy. but recently I was VERY impressed with the speed to date about a month ago Jan 11 15:47:41 and also we have multitasking and a super awesome user interface that is not matched at this point Jan 11 15:47:45 device wise? (including hardware?) Jan 11 15:47:49 sugardave: did a scTxt = 'boom'; in switch and still get an undefined... Jan 11 15:47:50 its what sugardave said basically media Jan 11 15:48:10 we need to kick the itrolls out and get some unbiased media about the devicesand well have a clear wionner Jan 11 15:48:18 yes Jan 11 15:48:26 its the same hardware as the iphone Jan 11 15:48:36 ah. Jan 11 15:48:39 media kills everything Jan 11 15:48:43 no trolling over here Jan 11 15:48:50 just looking for good pros/cons Jan 11 15:49:03 Once you have something...and it works..its hard to change Jan 11 15:49:07 Yeah I know Jan 11 15:49:11 <_lance_> clear winner? no, not really. Jan 11 15:49:17 Why not Jan 11 15:49:28 I've been through way too many devices. I really really really have owned literally every device Jan 11 15:49:38 Hardware is the same, so basically what is left is the os. Jan 11 15:49:46 all the nokia smartphones..all the android devices... etc Jan 11 15:50:13 <_lance_> huge discrepency in app catalogue and pricing. no availability of the majority of the apps outside of the US. no palm clout with the providers to stop them from doing things like killing audio streams for ToS violations. Jan 11 15:50:23 i've felt content with the iPhone not only because of the OS but the app selection..so unmatched..oh and the ECO SYSTEM has been tatooed in my bloodstream Jan 11 15:50:27 <_lance_> no work with the providers to do things like voicemail-to-text. Jan 11 15:50:57 <_lance_> i won't even be able to enjoy any of the 3d apps due to a lack of a paid catalogue in Canada Jan 11 15:51:16 android is moving at a rapid pace..but i still have a strong disliking for it ... Jan 11 15:51:36 i don't like the fact that their is no desktop sync Jan 11 15:51:36 OK so let me restate what I saud Jan 11 15:51:38 said Jan 11 15:51:42 living my life in a cloud is retarded Jan 11 15:51:56 in the US the device is a clear winner, esp once 1.4 launches Jan 11 15:52:00 LoneStar99: try something like this: http://webos.pastebin.com/d7859f388 Jan 11 15:52:01 Pre and Pixi Plus are coming Jan 11 15:52:09 <_lance_> i didn't see the "in the US" qualifier Jan 11 15:52:32 <_lance_> but the lack of clout with the providers would give me pause, still Jan 11 15:52:33 I wasnt thinking globally Jan 11 15:52:36 I still personally think "clear winner" is an opinion rather than a fact Jan 11 15:52:46 _lance_: app catalog should be opening more in Europe in March, I believe Jan 11 15:52:55 <_lance_> sugardave: that's a good start. Jan 11 15:52:55 when i buy a device in the year 2010 ..i have to consider the ENTIRE product as a whole Jan 11 15:53:02 apps, hardware, OS Jan 11 15:53:14 availability of accessories etc.. Jan 11 15:53:29 Whether they take a lead I dont know but option wise the device will surpass the iphone esp when we get more c ports of other apps Jan 11 15:53:34 is there a mac sync for media / contacts for the PRE Jan 11 15:53:43 I think there is actually Jan 11 15:53:57 Its third party software Jan 11 15:54:03 is it using objective C for apps on PRe or some web based form of html / cascading ? Jan 11 15:54:18 Well WebOS SDK is html/JS/CSS Jan 11 15:54:18 CTLAdvance: ah..at least their is some hope :/ Jan 11 15:54:18 <_lance_> Dialekt: Missing Sync .. if the Windows Mobile version is any indicator, it's good Jan 11 15:54:30 then we can use the PDK to use full C/CPP and Open GL Jan 11 15:54:31 <_lance_> Dialekt: it looks like C/C++ and SDL Jan 11 15:54:41 <_lance_> oh and opengl Jan 11 15:54:44 yeah i just hate that apple disables media synching for itunes Jan 11 15:54:48 WHY WHY WHY? Jan 11 15:54:54 because they're lame Jan 11 15:54:55 PRe has gestures/multitouch? Jan 11 15:55:01 yes Jan 11 15:55:03 So you buy an iphone buy you can do the same with amazon Jan 11 15:55:12 but you can Jan 11 15:55:12 on the screen and not the gesture trackball location? Jan 11 15:55:26 Dialekt: yeah, you can use gestures on the screen Jan 11 15:55:39 it's how to swap between cards, throw them away, etc. Jan 11 15:55:57 technically the gesture area should support multitouch as the screen goes below it from what I understand, it just not there Jan 11 15:56:04 I could be wrong Jan 11 15:56:21 i forget ..i just remember apple was bitching about it Jan 11 15:56:23 <_lance_> it'd be kinda hard to use multitouch on the swipe area Jan 11 15:56:28 i havent kept up with the PRE Jan 11 15:56:35 lance agreed Jan 11 15:56:41 i like where it's going from looking at need for speed and 1.4 Jan 11 15:56:44 Actually looking at it, I am not sure it is Jan 11 15:56:49 <_lance_> Dialekt: yeah.. but the only thing i've used is the zoom in gesture Jan 11 15:56:54 I haven't done any multi-touch stuff, so can't sepak with authority Jan 11 15:57:03 <_lance_> on the photo albums Jan 11 15:57:19 how many touches will it recognize, just 2? Jan 11 15:57:28 <_lance_> i don't know Jan 11 15:57:28 Once we get more apps based on the PDK and C/CPP/OGL then this will be an awesome device Jan 11 15:57:33 Yes 2 Jan 11 15:57:40 what's the C40? Jan 11 15:57:42 From what I understand Jan 11 15:57:49 lame, I wanted to make a plasma ball app Jan 11 15:57:50 no clue Jan 11 15:57:55 I do not wanna join verizon Jan 11 15:57:56 Maybe it does Jan 11 15:57:56 i'm sorry Jan 11 15:57:58 i love how sprint lets you upgrade your phone every year Jan 11 15:58:00 I just can't Jan 11 15:58:05 nor spring Jan 11 15:58:10 so this coming august, when palm's next-gen phone should be coming out, ill be ready :0 Jan 11 15:58:11 sprint...nor any CDMA carrier Jan 11 15:58:22 Then thats ur issue buddy :) Jan 11 15:58:24 Dialekt - i just cant do at&t Jan 11 15:58:29 another thing that I don't like Jan 11 15:58:30 its horrible Jan 11 15:58:31 is the CAMERA Jan 11 15:58:33 terrible data network Jan 11 15:58:42 that is not the same in terms of droid or iphone Jan 11 15:58:45 it's really shammy Jan 11 15:58:45 Yeah AT&T is a joke on 3G Jan 11 15:58:53 cobverage wise Jan 11 15:58:58 at&t works fine for me Jan 11 15:59:02 if your in coverage then it is ok Jan 11 15:59:05 CTLAdvance i never had a problem w/ coverage Jan 11 15:59:10 it was the spinning wheel Jan 11 15:59:11 On ATAT Jan 11 15:59:16 spinning wheel? Jan 11 15:59:21 like loading data Jan 11 15:59:25 i would bring up a twitter app Jan 11 15:59:32 half the time, have to close/reopen and try again Jan 11 15:59:36 same w/ web pages Jan 11 15:59:42 slow/stalled data connections Jan 11 15:59:47 dialing/connecting was slow Jan 11 15:59:55 voicemails not coming in until days later Jan 11 16:00:01 i wonder which is getting more love...the pre or pixi? Jan 11 16:00:01 See for me on ATT I get coverage very close to my house and then it becomes nonexistant 3g wise and I drop to edge Jan 11 16:00:05 which do people like most? Jan 11 16:00:15 i still don't understand those keyboards but they should be better now right? Jan 11 16:00:18 pixi would have been better with wifi Jan 11 16:00:20 yeah, I wish the camera had a ZOOM feature...even a crappy digital one, I mean really Jan 11 16:00:22 i found i was manually disabling 3g and even edge was swamped Jan 11 16:00:23 sucked Jan 11 16:00:55 Also I dont like the gsm call quality Jan 11 16:01:01 CDMA just destroys it Jan 11 16:01:06 on top of that, AT&T put their fingers in their ears and actually claimed that there was NO PROBLEM! HA! Jan 11 16:01:12 i drove CROSS COUNTRY and had problems everywhere Jan 11 16:01:12 if I get a GSM phone it will probably be a droid one Jan 11 16:01:15 exactly CTLAdvance Jan 11 16:01:20 poor quality IMO also Jan 11 16:01:36 if it sells more webos phones, all well and good Jan 11 16:01:42 but AT&T will never see another cent from me Jan 11 16:01:49 yetdog, thats why verizon keeps running a map for that ad Jan 11 16:01:54 yes, more carriers! need to sell more apps! Jan 11 16:01:55 sprints network was like a revelation after a 1.5 yrs with AT&T Jan 11 16:02:19 The only nice thing about att is that you can use data while on a call if you are lucky enough to be in 3g coverage Jan 11 16:02:26 i pay 1/3 of what i would pay to AT&T for the same plan features Jan 11 16:02:29 AND i get a better network Jan 11 16:02:35 AND i get to roam on vzw for free i fi need to Jan 11 16:02:38 how can you go wrong? Jan 11 16:03:01 yetdog exactly same here, att is soooo over priced Jan 11 16:03:25 sugardave: ok nothing appears in the log not even the error Jan 11 16:03:31 i mean, free nav, NFL mobile live, unlimited text/data/voice Jan 11 16:03:37 $62 after taxes/fees w/ sprint Jan 11 16:03:42 (incl. discount) Jan 11 16:03:53 my idiot sister-in-law got an iPhone just before Christmas....AFTER I had been showing my Pre for 6 months, talking about how apps are coming, at&t sucks, etc. Jan 11 16:03:57 dumb ass Jan 11 16:03:58 let alone any mobileanytime Jan 11 16:04:02 HI folks .. Is it possible to obtain IMSI of the device from WEBOS - programmatically? Jan 11 16:04:05 LoneStar99: that's....odd...do you have logging enabled? Jan 11 16:04:33 yes, I have another mojo.info below and that works Jan 11 16:04:34 Oridian: I don't think so Jan 11 16:04:41 lol Jan 11 16:04:43 sugardave Jan 11 16:04:43 Do you have logging enabled lonestar Jan 11 16:04:53 LoneStar99: weird...wrap a try/catch around it Jan 11 16:04:56 verizon is getting a shitload of phones Jan 11 16:05:02 so i am considering but Jan 11 16:05:14 they sent me a check that bounced ..so i'm a bit bitter Jan 11 16:05:19 lame Jan 11 16:05:30 anyone familiar with LTE? Jan 11 16:05:46 i wanna know if that will allow talking and data at same time..? Jan 11 16:05:50 I like how sprint is rolling out wimax and everything and then we find out that oh and clearwire has lte sitting in the wings waiting to switch it on once the final lte standards come out Jan 11 16:05:51 sugardave: i forgot the scene in mind is not brought up by the stage assistant, rather another scence pushes it Jan 11 16:06:08 basically with a software update Jan 11 16:06:13 firmware* Jan 11 16:06:18 LoneStar99: shouldn't matter, but you can move the myGlobalVar = 'my text'; to the top of the scene asst Jan 11 16:06:30 instead of the app asst Jan 11 16:06:34 just to test, anyway Jan 11 16:06:52 i wish i knew more about LTE Jan 11 16:07:01 i hear at&t is not getting it for a long time Jan 11 16:07:01 Bing it Jan 11 16:07:16 wth is LTE? Jan 11 16:07:20 wow..did u just use bing instead of google? Jan 11 16:07:21 ATT cant even roll out 3G let alone lte Jan 11 16:07:23 4G Jan 11 16:07:33 t-mobile is even making a huge comeback too Jan 11 16:07:39 ah, google knows Jan 11 16:07:42 7.2hsdpa Jan 11 16:07:47 hi Jan 11 16:07:56 Um yeah I did just bing it... I bing it all day Jan 11 16:08:22 whoa whoa whoa...this is not sexy chat Jan 11 16:08:26 What is CLASSIC? --- found this doing a search: "there are some other hardware integration points in Classic: for example a PalmOS application can obtain IMEI, IMSI, ESN and similar identifiers from the modem, device’s serial number and some other information that is typically used by many PalmOS applications for purposes of product registration and licensing. This is done through a standard PalmOS APIs, just like on real Pal Jan 11 16:08:40 I left google back when bing was live search Jan 11 16:08:42 Oridian: Classic is an emulator for PalmOS applications Jan 11 16:08:43 sugardave: very weird still no log.... Jan 11 16:09:01 LoneStar99: that is really strange, man....you should get one or the other :D Jan 11 16:09:40 sugardave: so it says Classic can provide the IMSI of the device. However WEBOS in general cannot? I don't understand. Jan 11 16:10:29 Classic is a lowlevel application meaning it is using C/CPP or something similar that runs tightly with the hardware Jan 11 16:10:35 Oridian: unless I'm mistaken, I think I've seen that same ? on the palm dev forums...maybe it's some other device information, but am pretty sure it's IMSI Jan 11 16:10:37 WebOS can but wont give you access to it Jan 11 16:10:43 Not sure if classic can Jan 11 16:11:04 You would need a palmOS app anyways to get it from classic Jan 11 16:11:14 unless classic has an information tab Jan 11 16:12:04 * sugardave submerges for real work. Jan 11 16:14:16 Thanks sugardave and CTLAdvance ... I actually posted the question on the palm dev forums and did not get an answer. I have it now. Thanks! Jan 11 16:15:40 dammit Jan 11 16:15:43 sugardave: i get "global var not set" Jan 11 16:16:35 cough palm c40 shown in palm patent claim http://www.precentral.net/palm-files-location-sharing-patent Jan 11 16:16:52 wow i just set up 2 webos devices for previous iphone users. never thought i'd have to do that Jan 11 16:16:55 a pre anda pixi Jan 11 16:17:03 jk Jan 11 16:19:55 palm dev site could support longer sessions... Jan 11 16:20:13 WebOS, Palm Pre and Pixi are the "clear winners". I agree... heh... just reading from a few hours ago Jan 11 16:20:13 Morning all Jan 11 16:20:19 duncan you still here? Jan 11 16:20:38 Rick_work: yup - still here. Jan 11 16:20:59 morning: Rick_work Jan 11 16:21:00 duncan did you get an answer to your earlier question about webview? Jan 11 16:21:01 hi folks - I'm stuck trying to share an object between stages. Am I missing something? Jan 11 16:21:19 Rick_work: nope - still hoping to talk about it. Jan 11 16:21:21 how do you do it? Jan 11 16:21:57 duncan if you have a locally stored object, why in the world do you want to put it into a web-view widget? Jan 11 16:22:13 Rick_work : 2 secs - just on a call. Jan 11 16:22:22 Rick_work: whom do i contact regarding my app not showing up with any word in the app description? Jan 11 16:22:29 MetaView - At the moment I haven't figured out how to. Jan 11 16:22:35 why the hell doesnt palm make the delete request option automated Jan 11 16:22:52 LoneStar99 you're grandfathered, email your handler and cc chuq Jan 11 16:22:54 LoneStar99: mine did the same thing Jan 11 16:22:58 but it fixed itself Jan 11 16:23:07 ConfusedVorlon: you could maybe use the appassistant as place? Jan 11 16:23:15 MetaView: what is the question Jan 11 16:23:15 ? Jan 11 16:23:30 atlanta: my is the worst... Jan 11 16:23:32 [17:21] ConfusedVorlon: hi folks - I'm stuck trying to share an object between stages. Am I missing something? Jan 11 16:23:38 how to share objects across stages. Jan 11 16:23:43 you can use the app assistant. Jan 11 16:23:45 LoneStar99: mine didnt even show up by typing in the app name Jan 11 16:23:47 or you can use a cookie Jan 11 16:23:55 Rick_work hit the spot Jan 11 16:24:02 the app assistant should work just fine Jan 11 16:24:12 is the single instance of your app, across stages Jan 11 16:24:17 or you can create a global object in the app assistant -- utils = {} and then put stuff into the global object. Jan 11 16:24:18 Rick_work: ok thanks that is what I thought, will contact chuq Jan 11 16:24:25 MetaView - I did try that, but will try again. Perhaps there was a silly error. Thanks. Jan 11 16:24:46 atlanta: lol not even app name... wow Jan 11 16:25:00 LoneStar99: yea i dunno but after some time it worked itself out i guess Jan 11 16:25:14 LoneStar99: is it in the AppCatalog on your device? Jan 11 16:25:20 LoneStar99: im mad at how long it takes palm just to delete an request Jan 11 16:25:23 Mine disappeared after 1.3.5 Jan 11 16:25:44 but it's on their new website Jan 11 16:26:56 MetaView: do not have a devic yet Jan 11 16:27:26 LoneStar99: awww ur missing out Jan 11 16:27:53 Rick_work: Good question. I'm working on a non-standard app, with complex content that is dynamically generated. I have a requirement to zoom, and I know webView widget takes care of zooming really nicely. At the end of the day my app is html/js making Ajax requests for content, but those ajax calls are often Mojo Services. Implementing pinch-zoom myself looks like its got really poor support. Ideally I need that smooth analog scrolling, wh Jan 11 16:27:53 suspect all I get is moving between a few predefined zoom levels. So in essence my main interest is in reusing something that already does good pinch-zoom for the content that I have. Jan 11 16:28:25 atlanta: yeah won an auction yesterday, so it will be about a week till i get it Jan 11 16:29:19 duncan -- need pinch-zoom is a good answer. until pinch-spread is supported by a mojo event, you're kind of stuck if you need it. Good call. Jan 11 16:29:39 ok - so in AppAssistant , function AppAssistant, I have : Mojo.Controller.AppController.gHobbyist = "test message"; Jan 11 16:29:49 but in a scene assistant Mojo.Controller.AppController.gHobbyist is undefined Jan 11 16:29:51 Ok, having said that, what mojo events/calls are you wanting your webview widget to use? Jan 11 16:30:21 well, work has been blowed up until I can go into the lab tomorrow Jan 11 16:30:36 ConfusedVorlon: ehh i wouldnt set it like that Jan 11 16:30:41 just make it a global variable Jan 11 16:30:49 gHobbyist = "test message"; Jan 11 16:30:51 thats it Jan 11 16:30:58 I have tried that too. Will try again... Jan 11 16:31:02 atlanta: help LoneStar99 with his global var, I can't seem to make it work right Jan 11 16:31:11 kk Jan 11 16:31:19 LoneStar99: what is ur issue Jan 11 16:31:19 ? Jan 11 16:32:07 Just declare it in the app assistant as var varname = something. then anywhere in the app you can access it Jan 11 16:32:23 varname = something or just as varname Jan 11 16:32:27 Rick_work: ;-) Indeed. My alternative is 'manually' zooming all the various bits of content myself - and I think that will be poorly performing, and certainly not smooth zoom like in the browser. (ie I already have gestureStart/Change/End - but its a lot of work given it already existing in web widget. From the widget I really only need pinch/zoom. The key is that I have a lot of varied content. Jan 11 16:32:29 CTLAdvance: I thought 'var' would make it not be global? Jan 11 16:32:29 anyone here develop anything with Ares? Jan 11 16:32:41 yea var makes it to that class Jan 11 16:32:44 atlanta: same result using a global var defined in function AppAssistant { } Jan 11 16:32:46 u will have to do it without far Jan 11 16:32:56 ConfusedVorlon: didnt work Jan 11 16:32:57 ? Jan 11 16:33:01 how did u declare it Jan 11 16:33:01 ? Jan 11 16:33:13 atlanta: i have the follwoing http://webos.pastebin.com/d1f4ef60b Jan 11 16:33:30 http://pastebin.com/d3c7f32e4 Jan 11 16:33:51 LoneStar99: u want to access those values outside the function Jan 11 16:33:52 ? Jan 11 16:34:01 duncan the problem is of course, that palm intended the webview widget to be sandboxed. :-( Jan 11 16:34:11 ConfusedVorlon: checking Jan 11 16:34:12 Yeah you need to make it global and then remove var from them in that case statement Jan 11 16:34:24 anyone here develop anything with Ares? Jan 11 16:34:44 hackNperl yes. Jan 11 16:34:49 ConfusedVorlon: still cant access it Jan 11 16:34:49 ? Jan 11 16:34:50 atlanta: the function does get called - but the global doesn't seem to be created in the context of the stage that is created later Jan 11 16:35:05 ConfusedVorlon: put it outside the app assitant Jan 11 16:35:08 hackNperl in general, you're better off just asking your real question. If we don't know we can direct you. Jan 11 16:35:11 like just alone in the file Jan 11 16:35:13 atlanta: yes Jan 11 16:35:15 Ares looks cool but I cannot seem to get a handle on it. Jan 11 16:35:22 hackNperl: same here Jan 11 16:35:25 atlanta - If I do that, it gets created twice Jan 11 16:35:26 KOMODO FTW Jan 11 16:35:30 hackNperl what's the problem? Jan 11 16:35:34 ConfusedVorlon: what u mean Jan 11 16:35:35 ? Jan 11 16:35:37 hackNperl: me, neither...I think I'm just going to use it as a design tool then recreate in my regular stuff Jan 11 16:35:39 Rick_work: Right, not surprising. It's so close to being there though. I can make Prototype Ajax.Requests, and not surprisingly my Palm://servicename URL doesn't get anywhere. And not surprisingly a Mojo.Request object is not defined. Jan 11 16:35:41 My programming background goes as far as Delphi 5.0 and perl... i lost touch since then. lol Jan 11 16:35:51 OUCH Jan 11 16:36:04 atlanta: If I put a log message outside the function and create gHobbyist - it gets called and created twice Jan 11 16:36:19 I'm trying to only do some web work once, so only want one object Jan 11 16:36:32 atlanta: have the following on the top of this-assistant.js scTxt = 'this search'; Jan 11 16:36:39 I used to love programming and web design... i cant get myself back into the swing of things. eclipse drivers me absolutley nuts! lol Jan 11 16:36:52 hackNperl: try komodo edit Jan 11 16:36:54 hackNperl: screw Eclipse Jan 11 16:36:59 eclipse for webdesign... yuck Jan 11 16:37:03 Yeah Jan 11 16:37:05 komodo edit + Templarian's extensionj Jan 11 16:37:08 <_lance_> aptana has its pluses Jan 11 16:37:12 webos.templarian.com, I think Jan 11 16:37:12 I liked how simple Delphi made things but those days are gone Jan 11 16:37:13 sugardave: thats love.. Jan 11 16:37:20 yes i have komodo edit Jan 11 16:37:24 either komodo or I use Notepad ++ from sourceforge Jan 11 16:37:26 that seems pretty nice Jan 11 16:37:28 hackNperl: use that and the link sugardave posted Jan 11 16:37:33 <_lance_> but generally i use vim+firebug+firephp Jan 11 16:37:54 webos.templarian.com with komodoedit? Jan 11 16:37:55 <_lance_> or vim+tomcat logs Jan 11 16:37:56 wtf is firephp Jan 11 16:38:00 hackNperl: correct5 Jan 11 16:38:06 hackNperl Don't feel bad, I was a foxpro developer. Jan 11 16:38:12 lol Jan 11 16:38:20 <_lance_> atlanta: it spits php debug logs into firebug Jan 11 16:38:24 i stayed away from MS dev tools Jan 11 16:38:32 hackNperl: c# is nicee Jan 11 16:38:35 hackNperl so, can you restrict yourself to _a_ question right now? Jan 11 16:38:35 actually VB3 is what i first started in Jan 11 16:38:45 <_lance_> atlanta: requires a server config so that the debug gets piped along as a header though Jan 11 16:38:55 _lance_: ehhh blahhh Jan 11 16:38:55 hackNperl You're a mere child. Jan 11 16:38:56 no, just chatting... Jan 11 16:38:59 FirePHP is kind of clever, PHP throws debugging statements into HTTP headers, and the Firebug plugins includes them in the log Jan 11 16:39:01 ok Jan 11 16:39:09 <_lance_> yeah, what lmorchard Jan 11 16:39:10 <_lance_> said Jan 11 16:39:16 gotcha Jan 11 16:39:37 So, hackNperl have you managed to wrap your mind around the somewhat odd event-driven object oriented model of JS development? Jan 11 16:39:53 I feel like I need to blo Jan 11 16:39:57 nope Jan 11 16:40:01 not yet Jan 11 16:40:01 blog about event-driven dev 101 :) Jan 11 16:40:16 <_lance_> webos101 wiki might use it too Jan 11 16:40:18 That seems to be the first thing everyone bangs their heads on for awhile Jan 11 16:40:24 that's at the core of your difficulti then. Jan 11 16:40:30 lmorchard: go for it Jan 11 16:40:55 personally i need to learn the object oriented model more in detail for js Jan 11 16:41:06 you're used to a model where screen objects AUTOMATICALLY have methods and events attached to them, and you end up just CUSTOMIZING those methods and events. Jan 11 16:41:07 maybe i should do that first before reading the OOP for c__ Jan 11 16:41:08 c++ Jan 11 16:41:32 so, if you create a button in a delphi screen, it automatically has an on-click method associated with it. Right? Jan 11 16:41:48 LoneStar99: i didnt get what u were trying to do Jan 11 16:41:59 Rick_work: correct i blieve Jan 11 16:42:11 Huh, haven't seen this webos101.com wiki before Jan 11 16:42:18 lmorchard: been around for a min Jan 11 16:42:33 has nice potential Jan 11 16:42:36 just needs more updating Jan 11 16:42:56 well time to go back to my real work... HVAC.. This is my reason for interest in webos development though. I have some cool ideas for applications for the HVAC industry... guess I might be talking you all more often.... later! Jan 11 16:43:01 * atlanta is going to ask JUDY can she speed up this delete request Jan 11 16:43:07 <_lance_> yeah.. its content is pretty sparse Jan 11 16:43:15 so hackNperl the issue with javascript is that since it grew out of HTML, objects do not automatically have ANYTHING associated with them. They're just display things. You have to associate METHODS and PROPERTIES with the object, and tie them up to events. Jan 11 16:43:16 hackNperl: peace Jan 11 16:43:33 .bind(this) is ur friend Jan 11 16:43:34 :-) Jan 11 16:43:39 hackNperl good luck come back Jan 11 16:43:47 will do... Jan 11 16:43:52 ill be playing around tonight... Jan 11 16:44:00 someone will be here. Jan 11 16:44:02 ask questions Jan 11 16:44:02 can palm release the mic api already damnit Jan 11 16:44:14 atlanta there are issues. Jan 11 16:44:26 Rick_work: with the mic Jan 11 16:44:27 ? Jan 11 16:44:36 yes atlanta Jan 11 16:44:42 there are issues with the mic api Jan 11 16:44:49 oh ok Jan 11 16:44:50 gotcha Jan 11 16:45:00 hopefully their ironed out soon Jan 11 16:45:06 specifically, the low level dsp drivers need work. It's broken. they can't release it until they fix those. Jan 11 16:45:27 how about the playSoundRightNow(dammit, soundFile) method? in yet? Jan 11 16:45:29 Rick_work: sooms like they will be fixing it soon seeing that video rec is coming out Jan 11 16:45:31 atlanta also, there's a secondary problem. Using the mic api implies that they've created an api with local file access. Jan 11 16:45:39 sugardave: not yet Jan 11 16:45:44 atlanta: get an undefined when the var scTxt when not in switch http://webos.pastebin.com/d7859f388 Jan 11 16:45:52 Rick_work: they have the crotest has a record and playback feature Jan 11 16:45:56 atlanta that's an interesting question. Note that the video recorder was not shown recording audio Jan 11 16:46:02 LoneStar99: take the var off Jan 11 16:46:15 just scTxt = Jan 11 16:46:21 hi chuqui Jan 11 16:46:24 how's tricks? Jan 11 16:46:27 Rick_work: it did play back ' Jan 11 16:46:35 atlanta it? Jan 11 16:46:47 Rick_work: the pre played back the audio in the ces i thought Jan 11 16:46:49 i could be wrong Jan 11 16:46:54 Morning chuqui Jan 11 16:46:59 maybe it was my mind playing tricks Jan 11 16:47:03 atlanta I was in the room, I didn't hear anything. Jan 11 16:47:08 did ConfusedVorlon solved his problem? Jan 11 16:47:09 morning chuqui Jan 11 16:47:13 Rick_work: it was mind games then lol Jan 11 16:47:21 morning, allk Jan 11 16:47:30 hi chuqui Jan 11 16:47:36 atlanta I asked about 5 palm folks, got ICNCOD Jan 11 16:47:52 morning chuqui Jan 11 16:48:02 Rick_work: blah Jan 11 16:48:18 chuqui What is Joe H's last name? I didn't get it written down. Jan 11 16:48:29 chuqui: suggestion make the delete request for apps automated might save some time for those reviewered Jan 11 16:48:33 reviewers** Jan 11 16:49:02 OMG he just signed on and your pelting him already Jan 11 16:49:17 * CTLAdvance slaps atlanta around a bit with a large trout Jan 11 16:49:20 * CTLAdvance slaps Rick_work around a bit with a large trout Jan 11 16:49:36 :) Jan 11 16:49:44 CTLAdvance I haven't spoken to him for 5 days. Jan 11 16:49:51 I was jk Jan 11 16:50:09 atlanta: if I place scTxt = 'this query'; outside of the switch it works, but I want to replace it with scTxt value from the switch Jan 11 16:50:35 CTLAdvance: :-) Jan 11 16:50:38 I THINK I LIKED IT Jan 11 16:50:38 LOL Jan 11 16:50:53 just an suggestion to help the reviewers save time Jan 11 16:51:06 btw, is the news app available for normal users too? Jan 11 16:51:18 why isn't it in the app catalog? Jan 11 16:51:48 MetaView: its for developers Jan 11 16:51:50 or ment for anyway Jan 11 16:51:55 its in palm's github Jan 11 16:52:12 LoneStar99: it should work that way Jan 11 16:52:17 I guess I should learn this github thing... Jan 11 16:52:18 and just recall the value Jan 11 16:52:27 sugardave: yea i had to Jan 11 16:52:33 git clone url Jan 11 16:52:38 atlanta: recall value how? Jan 11 16:55:21 atlanta: scTxt = 'this query' stays the same after the switch var scTxt = 'boom'; is called... Jan 11 16:55:34 LoneStar99: take 'var' out of the switch Jan 11 16:55:45 you're re-declaring a new local var inside the switch with that Jan 11 16:56:37 if you're using global vars DON'T use 'var' with them at all Jan 11 17:01:49 so git on Win....go with the msysgit package or stick with cygwin? Jan 11 17:02:52 atlanta: mr. superstar! Jan 11 17:03:09 yetdog: helo there Jan 11 17:03:19 hope you had a grand weekend! Jan 11 17:03:30 LoneStar99: yea u have to take the var off Jan 11 17:03:32 any experience w/ commandMenu's after a transition to app-assistant app? Jan 11 17:03:38 my help menu is no longer there Jan 11 17:03:43 in ares i get "Failed to find scroller for element although...." when trying to fill a simple list... any ideas? Jan 11 17:03:45 well, its disabled Jan 11 17:03:48 yetdog: let me get some lunch Jan 11 17:03:52 and ill be able to hook you u Jan 11 17:03:53 brb Jan 11 17:03:53 enjoy :) Jan 11 17:03:59 thanks Jan 11 17:04:15 yetdog: command menu or app menu? Jan 11 17:05:27 um sry..app menu Jan 11 17:05:51 just checking... :) Jan 11 17:05:56 greetings webosfolk... Jan 11 17:06:15 hello Jan 11 17:06:58 I'm working on a radio client, trying to implement a "Now Playing" scene similar to the accuradio app but getting a little confused about how to switch between different scenes Jan 11 17:07:24 I thought I would have to go down the multistage route, but it doesn't look like accuradio does this... Jan 11 17:07:49 seems faster to have everything on the same stage Jan 11 17:08:10 yet I can't seem to toggle between scenes without popping them? Jan 11 17:08:24 socialmetrics: yes you can, there's a swapScene() method Jan 11 17:08:31 instead of popScene()/pushScene() Jan 11 17:08:33 sugardave: took var out and scTxt = 'bam'; still produces 'this query' Jan 11 17:08:43 but doesn't that effectively pop the scene you're swapping from? Jan 11 17:08:58 oh, right Jan 11 17:08:59 yeah Jan 11 17:09:10 well, let me check Jan 11 17:09:26 LoneStar99: has an example code? Jan 11 17:09:42 I want to keep the scene playing... go back to a list view and have the option of coming back to the playback scene.... Jan 11 17:09:56 basically like a focus() method on the scene... which I can't seem to find? Jan 11 17:10:22 socialmetrics: why do you want the scene staying? Jan 11 17:10:27 socialmetrics: could you just do it via scrim/dialog over the current playing scene? Jan 11 17:11:06 LoneStar99: paste your current code Jan 11 17:11:08 socialmetrics: do you need a scene for the playing? Jan 11 17:11:18 I have a playback view Jan 11 17:11:24 which shows metadata, etc... Jan 11 17:11:28 similar to accuradio Jan 11 17:11:33 and a list view Jan 11 17:11:43 which lets you choose the different stations Jan 11 17:11:52 put the playback into another object which stays in your app Jan 11 17:12:06 the scene just visuals Jan 11 17:12:17 yeah, I can keep the audio playing... Jan 11 17:12:18 http://webos.pastebin.com/d74a58f3d Jan 11 17:12:57 but I have progress controls ,etc... Jan 11 17:12:59 yetdog: do you have noWindow: true in appinfo.json? Jan 11 17:13:08 that I don't want to have to rebuild, etc.. Jan 11 17:13:20 the accuradio app seems to do what I want... Jan 11 17:13:23 LoneStar99: scTxt isn't altered? Jan 11 17:13:38 how do you check? Jan 11 17:13:47 how do you know the case is called? Jan 11 17:15:16 MetaView: I check via mojo-log Jan 11 17:15:59 chuqui: is there any other way of getting support for app center brokenness besides posting in the forum or emailing you? Jan 11 17:16:50 socialmetric: look @ stageController.activate() Jan 11 17:17:29 also MetaView: i also know the case is called b/c the color works var scCol = '#184DC6'; Jan 11 17:17:53 first contact should be the account manager Jan 11 17:18:15 what account manager? Jan 11 17:19:22 haeffb_pre: so that should activate the current stage right? which means I can probably do this as a multistage app , but that pops open a separate window which is less slick... do you know if it's possible to call activate on a specific scene assistant from another scene on that stage... doesn't seem to be working for me... Jan 11 17:20:19 hey haeffb_pre: hows it going? Jan 11 17:20:22 I was thinking you could specify a scene in activate() Jan 11 17:20:30 Bmyers_: yetdog needs your help Jan 11 17:20:50 hi sugardave: i need help too... Jan 11 17:20:52 but I don't have access to the docs from my phone. Jan 11 17:20:53 Bmyers_: he is converting to an app asst and now his app menu is busted Jan 11 17:21:01 heya Bmyers_! Jan 11 17:21:09 hey hey Jan 11 17:21:16 Bmyers_: good. you? Jan 11 17:21:19 yeah, help item is disabled, obviously, since im not using my stage-assistant.js file anymore Jan 11 17:21:24 and thats where it was instantiated Jan 11 17:21:28 sugardave: in the mean time, can u tell me what i am doing wrong here? http://webos.pastebin.com/d2867396e Jan 11 17:21:36 I can try... Jan 11 17:22:43 <_lance_> Any way to get the Pre to go through a proxy for all traffic? I'd like to set up a compressing proxy. Jan 11 17:23:06 yetdog: DO YOU HAVE noWindow: true in appinfo Jan 11 17:23:47 yes haef Jan 11 17:23:51 so whats wrong yetdog? Jan 11 17:24:18 ok. just checking because that broke my app menu... Jan 11 17:24:30 ok brb stupid users Jan 11 17:25:35 Bmyers_: not exactly sure....certain there are values in those fields? Jan 11 17:26:28 the FIELD values show in the log Jan 11 17:26:33 just not the data Jan 11 17:27:01 yeah...and I see that name is already getting 'Wife' prior to that... Jan 11 17:27:31 thats what gets me. in the name is right where the data? Jan 11 17:27:34 oh hahaha Jan 11 17:27:42 something really smart right? Jan 11 17:27:43 you can't use object notation with variables Jan 11 17:28:06 json.categories[1].category[field] Jan 11 17:28:08 i think i tried %j and that didnt work either so i tried %o Jan 11 17:28:15 o Jan 11 17:28:17 json.categories[i].category[field] Jan 11 17:28:20 DOH! Jan 11 17:29:20 well that works alot more betterer.. Jan 11 17:29:24 hehe, cool Jan 11 17:29:51 array of objects array in object, ok i got lost.. Jan 11 17:30:04 well, they're still objects Jan 11 17:30:11 whats up with u guys? Jan 11 17:30:14 you're just using array notation to access the properties Jan 11 17:30:21 which is what you have to do when using var property names Jan 11 17:30:35 right... Jan 11 17:31:11 i wrote the backend ajax and this so I was impressed already.. Jan 11 17:31:30 haeffb_pre it has to do with where to put the handler function (guessing in app-assistant) and how to access the model vars from each scene Jan 11 17:31:35 but it didnt quite work. Jan 11 17:31:36 yeah, I know what you mean...I'm happy to be able to log into gamefly with my code now Jan 11 17:31:50 because now the model variables aren't accessible, since they used to be set in the stage-assistant Jan 11 17:31:57 finally a list-worthy project Jan 11 17:32:01 and thus easily accessible via the scenes Jan 11 17:32:32 u can still have a stage assistant if u want Jan 11 17:32:32 oh. yeah. just move them to app assistant. Jan 11 17:32:54 but in the scenes, how can i access the variables? Jan 11 17:33:22 <_lance_> ooh.. scheme interpreter written in JS.. interesting. Jan 11 17:33:26 but first, naplunch! Jan 11 17:33:31 bbiaw Jan 11 17:34:25 yetdog: do you pass in assistantName: when u create the stage? Jan 11 17:34:41 yes,,, Jan 11 17:35:03 so your stage assistant is active right? Jan 11 17:35:05 how does one find out whom their "account manager" is? Jan 11 17:35:06 assistantName: "StageAssistant" Jan 11 17:37:06 i have an old file called "stage-assistant.js" that was my original jumping off point Jan 11 17:37:19 but im guessing its just ignored now since everything is handled thru app-assistant Jan 11 17:37:35 not if you are passing in assistantName: Jan 11 17:37:46 then it should still be active Jan 11 17:37:48 so if the name is StageAssistant Jan 11 17:37:53 what file does that correspond to? Jan 11 17:39:26 should be correct the way you have it Jan 11 17:39:42 how does StageAssistant correspond to stage-assistant.js? Jan 11 17:40:00 if it was assistantName: mattAssistant would my file name need to be matt-assistant.js? Jan 11 17:40:09 same way MainAssisstant coorezponds with main-assistant.js Jan 11 17:41:19 cool Jan 11 17:42:00 when i click the appMenu i get this in my log, is this correct? : Jan 11 17:42:00 Info: Relaunch requested for application Jan 11 17:42:17 ok im back Jan 11 17:43:26 yeah Bmyers_ it seems to be ignoring my stage-assistant.js stuff for the menu Jan 11 17:43:29 Bmyers_: hey Jan 11 17:44:04 is it in both files? Jan 11 17:44:13 hi atlanta Jan 11 17:44:32 just changed the variable definition, seems to be working now Jan 11 17:44:34 :) Jan 11 17:44:50 to stage-assistant.js? Jan 11 17:45:33 in stage-assistant Jan 11 17:45:39 o Jan 11 17:45:45 while playing w/ it, i had setup the model and whatnot with "var" Jan 11 17:45:50 just took it out, and it works Jan 11 17:45:55 cant remember why it wasnt working before Jan 11 17:48:01 sugardave: this is weird.... why would this work http://webos.pastebin.com/d41ca804c and not the original http://webos.pastebin.com/d74a58f3d Jan 11 17:54:57 atlanta: why does this work http://webos.pastebin.com/d41ca804c and not the original http://webos.pastebin.com/d74a58f3d Jan 11 17:55:17 checking Jan 11 17:55:23 hey everyone Jan 11 17:56:01 LoneStar99: in the old one try outputting the event.target.id Jan 11 17:56:08 in side the switch Jan 11 17:56:10 to see what u ge Jan 11 17:56:15 t Log it Jan 11 17:59:11 yeah undefined.... Jan 11 18:01:14 no point of fixing, will use good old if else instead of switch... just think it is really odd Jan 11 18:02:14 mh..did some1 here port linux software to webos? Jan 11 18:04:46 Toaster: what Jan 11 18:04:47 ? Jan 11 18:04:48 lol Jan 11 18:04:56 LoneStar99: thats why Jan 11 18:04:59 something is going on there Jan 11 18:05:08 hi guys, first time here. Jan 11 18:05:12 thats why your variable never gets called Jan 11 18:05:20 because for some reason ur event isnt fired Jan 11 18:05:22 greetings meppum Jan 11 18:05:24 meppum: hello welcome Jan 11 18:05:27 thanks Jan 11 18:05:31 Toaster: elaborate Jan 11 18:05:59 is xvid on webos possibl Jan 11 18:06:02 Hmm. Seems like you have to be a US resident to register for palm apps Jan 11 18:06:03 :S Jan 11 18:06:06 i hvae a togglebutton and it's puking on startup: here's my error Jan 11 18:06:06 Error: Object togglebuttonId has no method 'addEventListener' Jan 11 18:06:38 quick question. i'd like to push a scene that is not under the usual /app/view/ path. is it possible to push a scene that is located at /core/view where "core" is at the same level as "app"? Jan 11 18:06:43 any palm rep here? Jan 11 18:07:43 atlanta: but if else work theortically switch case work? Jan 11 18:08:03 switch case should work Jan 11 18:09:00 meppum: u have to specify it in the .json file of the files for ur app Jan 11 18:09:06 and set a scene name i believe Jan 11 18:09:14 but why u want to do it that way Jan 11 18:09:14 ?/ Jan 11 18:09:25 LoneStar99: true Jan 11 18:09:59 thanks atlanta. code re-use mostly. i have some generic scenes which i put in all of my apps that i would like to be able to keep as an external in my svn Jan 11 18:10:17 gotcha Jan 11 18:11:13 yetdog: how r u getting togglebuttonId? Jan 11 18:11:47 atlanta: thanks wasted like 5 hours on the stupid switch Jan 11 18:11:59 thanks for your time Jan 11 18:12:19 Bmyers_ instantiating it as a widget Jan 11 18:12:50 @atlanta, in sources there is a scene and source node for each include item, however, is there a template node as well? otherwise how will sources know where to get the template from? Jan 11 18:14:10 yetdog: did u remember the quotes? Jan 11 18:14:59 Bmyers_: http://webos.pastebin.com/m294668d6 Jan 11 18:15:03 pretty basic Jan 11 18:16:33 Mojo.event.listen(getElementForId() Jan 11 18:16:40 IIRC Jan 11 18:16:50 doesnt your truevalue and value have to match up? Jan 11 18:17:17 yetdog: did you get your menu issue resolved? I lost connect for a bit. Jan 11 18:17:38 yeah haeffb - dont know what i was doing wrong but its squared now Jan 11 18:18:42 Bmyers_: yes. his value should be on or off Jan 11 18:18:47 i have another random question. what timeframe are people experiencing for their app review process? palm says to expect up to 2 weeks. is that accurate? Jan 11 18:18:59 that was copy/pasted out of palm's ite Jan 11 18:19:00 site* Jan 11 18:19:14 well that was a DOM thing to do.. you should know better.. Jan 11 18:19:39 check the docs. I think there's a trueLabel & a trueValue Jan 11 18:19:57 just kidding w/u yetdog: Jan 11 18:20:02 LoneStar99: :-) Jan 11 18:20:03 lol Jan 11 18:20:40 meppum: somewhat lol Jan 11 18:20:52 haha Jan 11 18:20:56 as in i should expect longer? Jan 11 18:22:28 yeah there's a trueValue, which is set to "On" Jan 11 18:22:35 and then in the model, there's "value" Jan 11 18:22:39 its setup correctly Jan 11 18:22:46 but the error Jan 11 18:22:55 Error: Object togglebuttonId has no method 'addEventListener' Jan 11 18:23:08 weird, as i think ive set my listener correctly Jan 11 18:23:15 maybe ill try this.controller.listen? Jan 11 18:23:37 yetdog: that's how i've always done it Jan 11 18:23:48 then in cleanup do this.controller.stopListening Jan 11 18:23:58 this it Jan 11 18:23:58 yes, that's the problem Jan 11 18:24:00 thats* Jan 11 18:24:09 :) Jan 11 18:24:50 yetdog: when you run into problems like that checkout the sample apps. i have found almost all of my answers there. Jan 11 18:25:25 there ya go.. Jan 11 18:25:41 Mojo.Event.listen(this.controller.get()...) Jan 11 18:26:01 thanks gang Jan 11 18:26:03 or this.controller.listen() Jan 11 18:26:13 i've seen plenty of errors in the palm docs on the site. so i weary of examples there. Jan 11 18:26:15 one is much shorter Jan 11 18:26:33 well the advantage of the samples is that you can test that they work in the emulator Jan 11 18:26:38 sample apps usually work tho Jan 11 18:28:29 Bmyers_: u are correct Jan 11 18:28:32 some have missing } Jan 11 18:28:34 or to many Jan 11 18:28:47 i wanna expand webos101 wanna help me Jan 11 18:28:48 ? Jan 11 18:29:43 i think it would be good. Jan 11 18:30:03 atlanta: when / how? Jan 11 18:30:05 the other site sometimes just copies exactly whats on the palm site and doesnt help much Jan 11 18:30:52 haeffb_pre: just create an account on webos101 Jan 11 18:31:04 and post and add your page to sectiosn that it applies Jan 11 18:31:06 a good stary would be to scour dev forums for ?'s & answers Jan 11 18:31:09 make sure code is verifed Jan 11 18:31:09 etc Jan 11 18:31:17 start Jan 11 18:31:22 true Jan 11 18:31:56 oh, sure. didn't know if you had anything more specific in mind Jan 11 18:33:20 haeffb_pre: just filling in the ones that are blank with helpful examples Jan 11 18:47:03 heya Jan 11 18:47:42 my new app is now released: http://www.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/sbb-fahrplan Jan 11 18:48:14 congrats. Jan 11 18:49:09 doesn't work on orange on the moment :( i found out that they charge for accessing the mobile website of sbb ... how weird is that? Jan 11 18:59:00 based on the topic of this channel...would this be the place for mobile website dev or just mobile application design Jan 11 18:59:15 hi Jan 11 18:59:20 i guess anything related to webos Jan 11 18:59:25 how are it is to write app for the webos compare to android Jan 11 18:59:32 hard* Jan 11 18:59:39 easier Jan 11 18:59:52 android: java webos: javascript/html/css Jan 11 18:59:58 unless you know java already Jan 11 19:00:15 swisstomcat: webos uses java too Jan 11 19:00:16 lol Jan 11 19:00:21 well here is my dilima...i have created a website with a cms...the client now wants to have it so it is viewable with a mobile device Jan 11 19:00:30 xbxice: to answer ur question way easier Jan 11 19:00:32 IMO Jan 11 19:00:32 and there is ares, the web-based development environment Jan 11 19:00:33 is it possible to use java with webos Jan 11 19:00:40 yes, it is possible Jan 11 19:00:49 bcarone: make it mobile size Jan 11 19:01:03 if so i can just port android app to webos Jan 11 19:01:11 xbxice: negative not in that manner Jan 11 19:01:16 java is used for the backend stuff Jan 11 19:01:22 i see Jan 11 19:01:35 <_lance_> backend stuff like what, out of curiosity? Jan 11 19:01:35 atlanta yes...but the theming i believe may have to be tremendously modified...i have never done a mobile site so the research is becoming tedious yet informative Jan 11 19:02:15 bcarone: who needs a damn mobile versions when u have a PRE Jan 11 19:02:15 lol Jan 11 19:02:23 services are java (e.g preware package service) Jan 11 19:02:27 <_lance_> awesome! Jan 11 19:02:28 whats a PRE Jan 11 19:02:56 <_lance_> that makes writing a service a fair bit easier than i was expecting Jan 11 19:03:00 im tellin ya..i am IGNORANT about programming a site for a mobile.... Jan 11 19:03:27 a specific css could help for the mobile website Jan 11 19:03:46 swisstomcat thats what i am working on right now.... Jan 11 19:04:13 but it is appearing that (from a design approach) very very limited Jan 11 19:04:24 r u guys use Project Ares or Eclippse Jan 11 19:05:05 xbxice: neither Jan 11 19:05:08 komodo Jan 11 19:05:19 i use gedit and the terminal Jan 11 19:05:20 bcarone: what a PRE Jan 11 19:05:20 ? Jan 11 19:05:31 eclipse here, mac and pc Jan 11 19:05:34 yes atlanta...what is PRE Jan 11 19:05:37 bcarone: i must have turned my sarcasm detector off Jan 11 19:05:48 thats ok..i get that all the time.... Jan 11 19:05:59 least ur communicating...i can deal with the sarcasm Jan 11 19:06:08 bcarone: http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre/ Jan 11 19:06:23 bcarone: u made my day with that question Jan 11 19:06:24 just that i am new to mobile programing in any sort and it is a web site project i am doing now Jan 11 19:06:38 bcarone: link me to the site Jan 11 19:07:16 its in beta so be nice Jan 11 19:07:43 that is for normal desktop browsing Jan 11 19:08:17 we are nice Jan 11 19:08:25 good... Jan 11 19:08:39 can someone run a pixi console coomand for me? Jan 11 19:08:40 * swisstomcat slaps atlanta with a fresh trout Jan 11 19:08:41 see Jan 11 19:08:55 works foe me swisstomcat Jan 11 19:08:58 PreGame_wirc: what kinda command Jan 11 19:08:58 ? Jan 11 19:09:12 swisstomcat: i liked it Jan 11 19:09:25 want more? Jan 11 19:09:46 pervs....good..normal programming site ... very good Jan 11 19:10:01 hey chuq Jan 11 19:10:06 smart allecs but nice Jan 11 19:10:07 hey. Jan 11 19:10:17 hello swisstomcat Jan 11 19:10:23 hey lonestar Jan 11 19:10:31 damn, but meetings can get in the way of my sitting around here and chatting... grump. Jan 11 19:10:31 bcarone: indeed Jan 11 19:10:33 still cold and snowy? Jan 11 19:10:38 yeah Jan 11 19:10:50 getting warmer here Jan 11 19:11:19 webgl is incredible Jan 11 19:11:21 back to 70's on friday Jan 11 19:11:22 chuq: i got your email "Thank you for your submission to the Palm Developer Early Access Program" on 7/1 .. but it talks about " Applications will continue to be accepted until sometime in Jan 11 19:11:22 December" Jan 11 19:11:32 finally got nfs to work (after doctoring my phone) Jan 11 19:11:37 swisstomcat: u dont ask those kind of questions Jan 11 19:11:43 if i join the development group, as opensource could I still sell my apps? Jan 11 19:11:44 keith: :-) Jan 11 19:11:54 g073nks i dont believe so Jan 11 19:11:56 atlanta: why not? Jan 11 19:11:57 chuqui: thank you, i owe your whole team a round ;) Jan 11 19:12:00 g073nks: create 2 accounts Jan 11 19:12:11 yeah, i created two accounts too Jan 11 19:12:13 g073nks: yes you can Jan 11 19:12:18 g073nks: spaz is opensource, sold. Jan 11 19:12:23 and is sold, i mean Jan 11 19:12:27 oh Jan 11 19:12:28 keith: i like irish car bombs Jan 11 19:12:32 SOLD Jan 11 19:12:32 i'm thinking of it, but i don't care if people know the source a majority don't know how to program Jan 11 19:12:41 well im speaking of the sense of account wise at pal,m Jan 11 19:12:51 Spaz is not yet sold. Jan 11 19:12:52 oh ya, create 2 Jan 11 19:12:59 spaz isnt in the catalog? Jan 11 19:13:03 yes it is Jan 11 19:13:13 I am not charging money for it Jan 11 19:13:13 keith -- no problem! Jan 11 19:13:15 yet Jan 11 19:13:27 funkatron: trying to make a buck off it soon Jan 11 19:13:27 ? Jan 11 19:13:32 so is that a no or yes? Jan 11 19:13:34 chuqui: how does one go about finding out who their account manager is? Jan 11 19:13:46 chuqui: did u get my suggestion earlier ? :-) Jan 11 19:13:47 funkatron: ahh, cool man Jan 11 19:13:56 * atlanta waiting to get slapped by a large trout again Jan 11 19:14:01 i'd release most apps for free, but some that i spend time on i'd like to charge Jan 11 19:14:08 swisstomcat -- now that the portal is out of beta, submissions should go through the portal. we've closed the beta program. Jan 11 19:14:10 g073nks: u need 2 accounts Jan 11 19:14:12 * swisstomcat slaps atlanta with a giant wet octopus Jan 11 19:14:24 swisstomcat: damnit i didnt like that one Jan 11 19:14:27 chuq: ok, thanks Jan 11 19:14:27 it stuck to my face Jan 11 19:14:39 darkspur -- if one's been assigned, they'll have introduced themselves. new into the process? Jan 11 19:14:50 damn, i'd rather not pay 99 for maybe 1 program a year :/ Jan 11 19:14:53 yes, new to the process Jan 11 19:14:56 atlanta -- yeah. Have I had time to read it? well... Jan 11 19:15:24 g073nks remember, that fee's waived for now. get in early. Jan 11 19:15:34 next year not free Jan 11 19:15:40 chuqui: thats fine long as u put it in the memory bank for the coders Jan 11 19:15:44 next year is 11 months away Jan 11 19:15:56 chuqui: i added a web distro app on saturday night, it is stuck in limbo - can't update it, can't delete it, and it is not installable Jan 11 19:16:03 http://forums.precentral.net/members/rooster242-albums-misc-picture428-portable-flight-sim-1.jpg rofl Jan 11 19:16:11 yes and still 1 app per year selling and have to pay 99 + 50per app Jan 11 19:16:15 wow! Jan 11 19:16:21 50 per app isn't bad, that 99 sucks Jan 11 19:16:42 i like that portable flight sim .. too bad i can't buy x-plane yet :( Jan 11 19:17:20 ya i really want xplane, too Jan 11 19:17:32 I sympathize about the cost, but on the other hand, that's one way to help keep the zillion of knockoff apps out of the catalog, which should make it easier for your app to be found and so it'll sell more copies Jan 11 19:18:15 chuqui: are you the same chuq as the community manager? Jan 11 19:18:40 yes, he is Jan 11 19:18:51 thanks swisstomcat Jan 11 19:19:01 * swisstomcat thinks it's great that palm people are hanging out here Jan 11 19:19:27 meppum -- maybe. you aren't going to throw something at me, are you? If you are, no, that's not me. Jan 11 19:19:30 so many devices...so little knowledge Jan 11 19:19:34 chuqui: so, if the controls in the "My Apps" manager on the dev center site don't quite work, I really don't know whom else to contact Jan 11 19:19:34 is it really? Jan 11 19:19:46 how to change the audio src in the webos audio object? Jan 11 19:19:54 doesn't then hanging out take away from actual palm work? Jan 11 19:19:56 darkspur: which controls? i had trouble when i used chrome Jan 11 19:19:57 metaview: want an example? Jan 11 19:19:58 just changing src property doesn't seem to work Jan 11 19:20:04 swisstomcat: yes Jan 11 19:20:15 okay, then send me an email, and I'll figure out who you need to talk to. chuq@palm.com Jan 11 19:20:38 meppum: using firefox - deleting or updating existing app Jan 11 19:20:43 chuqui: could you let them make the colors a bit more contrast in the dev forum? Jan 11 19:20:53 it's hard to find the buttons Jan 11 19:21:01 +1 Jan 11 19:21:02 metaview: http://pastie.org/773949 Jan 11 19:21:17 chuq: no no, i'm not the violent type. i just wanted to get a follow up on an email i wrote over the weekend. first off, submitting an app using chrome doesn't work, just an fyi. second, am i to understand that if we were in the beta program the yearly fee is still waved but we are not subject to the $50 fee for each paid app? Jan 11 19:21:53 is there an issue w/ the app catalog, not all reviews showing up? or did they purge some? Jan 11 19:22:16 swisstomcat: you mean the src = null + load is the trick? Jan 11 19:22:24 metaview: works for me Jan 11 19:22:33 greetings Jan 11 19:22:45 just trying it Jan 11 19:23:07 metaview: you create the audio object once and use it again and again for different sounds Jan 11 19:23:35 anybody have any insight into how flash performance will stack up to JS on webOS? Jan 11 19:23:45 anyone have a pixi? Jan 11 19:23:45 the $50 is waived for apps brought in through the beta program. Jan 11 19:24:00 MetaView: are you setting audioPlayer.palm.audioClass = Media.AudioClass.MEDIA; Jan 11 19:24:02 but the beta program is closed you said Jan 11 19:24:04 on the app reviews -- we... um... pushed the wrong button. They'll be back later today. Jan 11 19:24:36 swisstomcat: thx a lot Jan 11 19:25:02 chuq: so should i have been charged for an app i submitted last night? Jan 11 19:25:03 np Jan 11 19:25:03 darkspur: yes Jan 11 19:25:18 I was charged in a minute Jan 11 19:25:34 you pay first and get the review later... Jan 11 19:26:43 the audio object doesn't handle .m3u files? Jan 11 19:27:24 yes Jan 11 19:27:56 I got net2streams to read m3u files Jan 11 19:28:56 is so wierd to write app for webOS when yo get use to C++ and Java coding Jan 11 19:29:00 but its look soo easy Jan 11 19:29:24 and organized ! Jan 11 19:29:25 it is pretty easy if you know web stuff and javascript Jan 11 19:29:49 C++ is pretty easy if you know c++ and c stuff Jan 11 19:29:54 :P Jan 11 19:30:00 Or: Jan 11 19:30:16 Building a house is pretty easy if you know plumbing and carpentry and stuff Jan 11 19:30:24 Sorry Jan 11 19:30:25 heh Jan 11 19:30:56 if you use ares, you don't have to know anything ... almost Jan 11 19:31:11 Ares only get's you as far as a you things on a form though Jan 11 19:31:16 can u like use any java script code that can run on IE inside webOS? Jan 11 19:31:25 xbxice, yes Jan 11 19:31:28 Just about anyways Jan 11 19:31:57 you can do ajax requests, update and query the dom, ... Jan 11 19:32:38 thanks chuqui :) Jan 11 19:32:52 np Jan 11 19:33:11 re: project appetite, is there anyway to grab one of those boxes for an app, and include it on my own site? Jan 11 19:33:23 but if i want to use TCP/IP i need to use the core of the webOS Jan 11 19:33:29 the source for project appetite is available (public) Jan 11 19:33:29 swisstomcat: you might want to add some code to the app even in ares :) Jan 11 19:33:32 cant use javascript or ajax Jan 11 19:33:46 metaview: that's true Jan 11 19:34:10 I wait for the PDK Jan 11 19:34:18 would be really cool Jan 11 19:34:21 yeah Jan 11 19:34:59 i read about a python interpreter shell inside the pdk Jan 11 19:35:08 at least the webos-internals pdk Jan 11 19:35:14 to write TCP/IP client IM app i will need to use core api from webOS to handle sockets i am right here? Jan 11 19:35:35 no Jan 11 19:35:43 no way to have a socket in webos yet Jan 11 19:35:58 so how one can write IM client? Jan 11 19:36:00 but there is a im library already .. libpurple? Jan 11 19:36:04 no way Jan 11 19:36:19 you might write a java service and add a frontend: wirc Jan 11 19:36:22 MetaView are you serious there is no way to write IM client? Jan 11 19:36:22 someone wrote an irc client ,with help from a java service Jan 11 19:36:36 go to #wirc Jan 11 19:36:46 but that's not acceptable for the official app catalog Jan 11 19:36:49 the source is available, but it's homebrew Jan 11 19:37:15 oh damn thats horrible !! Jan 11 19:37:18 what about extending libpurple .. others have done it Jan 11 19:37:38 what do you mean by extending libpurple Jan 11 19:38:01 xbxice: u can write an im client in java Jan 11 19:38:03 libpurble is the linux im library AFAIK Jan 11 19:38:26 and yes using libpurple probably would be the best bet since its already pretty solid Jan 11 19:38:32 swisstomcat: there were issues with icq in libpurple, or? Jan 11 19:38:33 http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/205914-messaging-plugins-live-yahoo-icq.html Jan 11 19:38:55 how can one use libpurple in webOS? Jan 11 19:38:58 metaview: i don't know Jan 11 19:39:39 ok, I need to download the m3u and parse it, well, why can't the audio object does it for me :) Jan 11 19:39:59 xbxice: it is used automatically, if I understand it corerectly Jan 11 19:40:04 atlanta i am soo confuse is it possible or not to write IM client for webOS in legal way that accpeted by Palm? Jan 11 19:40:14 xbxice: not yet Jan 11 19:40:20 <_lance_> xbxice: when the new SDK comes out Jan 11 19:40:24 xbxice: negative Jan 11 19:40:24 or you have a webservice Jan 11 19:40:31 what protocol does it use, xbxice? Jan 11 19:40:34 which does the translation for you Jan 11 19:40:36 <_lance_> yeah.. something like a meebo frontend would do Jan 11 19:40:50 swisstomcat binary protocol Jan 11 19:41:03 proprietary? Jan 11 19:41:06 xbxice: negative then new sdk will be out soon Jan 11 19:41:37 is it an error to call "this.audioPlayer.addEventListener" several times? Jan 11 19:41:58 don't know Jan 11 19:42:03 why? Jan 11 19:42:14 it might fill up memory or such? Jan 11 19:42:28 i only added one for the end of the sound Jan 11 19:42:58 yes, I wonder if it might raise problems if I call it again for each new song Jan 11 19:43:14 well, I will not try it :) Jan 11 19:43:32 i call it again for every new sound Jan 11 19:43:37 but only one is active at a time Jan 11 19:48:02 well good to know i guess i will have to wait for beter SDK Jan 11 19:48:26 should be out by march Jan 11 19:48:28 <_lance_> there is the webos-internals sdk if you want to get a leg up Jan 11 19:48:46 yeah .. check #webos-internals for that Jan 11 19:48:52 thx Jan 11 19:50:13 with webos-internals sdk one can write IM Client?? Jan 11 19:50:27 Happy 011011010110111101101110011001000110000101111001!! Jan 11 19:51:06 <_lance_> xbxice: best to ask the internals guys. i know that they got C+SDL working. not sure if they worked out the networking stack. Jan 11 19:51:28 and lets assume it does will plam pre accept it Jan 11 19:53:16 <_lance_> xbxice: not entirely sure. you might have to do some refactoring. Jan 11 19:53:52 thx Jan 11 19:54:21 xbxice still here? Jan 11 20:01:55 yo Jan 11 20:03:03 Hey, kesne. Jan 11 20:03:48 Yo Dawg sales slowed to a standstill today, and reviews still 0 stars, hehe Jan 11 20:04:07 how many purchases a day are you guys seeing for your apps? Jan 11 20:04:10 just curious Jan 11 20:04:31 meppum: depends on the app Jan 11 20:04:48 well yeah, i figured. i just wanted to see if i could get a high/low Jan 11 20:05:13 i mean i know pandora gets a lot, i'm not expecting that. i meant sort of an average Jan 11 20:05:15 kesne: chuq mentioned something about the missing reviews that will be back later Jan 11 20:05:40 swisstomcat: nothing is missing, people just hate the app ;) Jan 11 20:06:00 meppum: I get aroun 50/day on my more successful ones Jan 11 20:06:22 meppum: for the first week though, it drops to about 20 after that Jan 11 20:06:25 Then keeps dropping Jan 11 20:06:29 How long does it typically take for an app to be reviewed once into the developer center? Jan 11 20:06:50 I suppose they probably aren't reviewing on weekends, so it's only been about 3 hours. :P Jan 11 20:07:18 It takes a few days tops Jan 11 20:07:20 a stupid question how would you extract a line from a string object in JS? Jan 11 20:07:32 example? Jan 11 20:07:41 meppum: Free apps, on the other hand, get 500+ every day Jan 11 20:07:44 MetaView: explode by the newlines, then treat like an array? Jan 11 20:07:44 For me, at least Jan 11 20:08:03 kense: is that for paid apps? do you notice an uptick when you update your app and it gets pushed back to the top of the "recent apps" list? Jan 11 20:08:21 jeffwheeler: good idea Jan 11 20:08:29 will evaluate Jan 11 20:09:13 meppum: that is for paid apps. When it gets back in the recent list, the numbers spike for a bit. Free apps with ads may generate more money than paid though, seeing as Checkers has generated over 150,000 downloads Jan 11 20:09:22 anyone know much about how flash will work for us on webos? performance wise that is Jan 11 20:09:45 my app only got 95 downloads for far Jan 11 20:09:47 codeslaw just a new demo video from adboe this morning Jan 11 20:09:50 on precentral.net Jan 11 20:09:51 codeslaw: check out this http://www.precentral.net/video-adobe-demos-flash-games-webos Jan 11 20:09:52 looks pretty smooth Jan 11 20:09:57 lol thanks jeffwheeler Jan 11 20:10:07 kesne: have you used ads in any of your apps? i'd expect the click through to be less than average for a webpage Jan 11 20:10:11 yetdog: hehe, I was grabbing it before you mentioned it Jan 11 20:10:21 nice Jan 11 20:10:43 is there a better ad provider than admob? Jan 11 20:10:44 Of course, I can't even view that video; Flash on Linux is probably worse than it will be on the Pre! Jan 11 20:11:00 (Which . . . doesn't make sense.) Jan 11 20:11:07 my app can't even be found in the app catalog Jan 11 20:11:08 it shows ads only seldom Jan 11 20:11:15 not sure how people are buying it Jan 11 20:11:27 i building an art app, but without access to canvas pixel data, i'm having to use a lot of crappy hacks for things like color selection, so i am wondering if i should just start building it in AS3, and release it once 10.1 is out? Jan 11 20:11:28 LoneStar99: that's difficult indeed :) Jan 11 20:11:51 meppum: no, I don't beleive in apps. Jan 11 20:11:58 but then i don't have access to flash CS5, so i cant even compile mobile flash yet Jan 11 20:12:04 so it's kind of pointless Jan 11 20:12:11 out of 10 words in my description, you can only find my app with one... Jan 11 20:12:17 Also, for higher app sales, do a media release of your apps to big pre/pixi websites, and if you are lucky they'll review it Jan 11 20:12:55 do we know if they plan on further implementing the canvas tag? any word of improvements for 1.4? Jan 11 20:13:37 * MetaView writes an astounishing radio app :D Jan 11 20:13:47 and can't spell english Jan 11 20:13:58 Adora! Jan 11 20:14:13 noaXess .. hi .. a fellow swiss! Jan 11 20:14:18 kesne: so basically a total sales of <1000 per paid app should be expected over a few months time frame? Jan 11 20:14:45 * swisstomcat hugs noaXess Jan 11 20:14:50 kesne! Jan 11 20:14:51 swisstomcat: ?? Jan 11 20:14:55 meppum: on an average paid app, I'd say so Jan 11 20:15:01 If you make a really kick-ass one Jan 11 20:15:04 Then it will be higher Jan 11 20:15:18 noaXess: noaXess@gw.ptr-80-238-209-47.customer.ch.netstream.com ... are you swiss? Jan 11 20:15:20 Adora: did you review Yo Dawg! (aka the lowest rated app in the catalog) Jan 11 20:15:21 how often do official palm devs come in here? Jan 11 20:15:39 chuq was just here a while ago Jan 11 20:16:05 Hey Adora! Jan 11 20:16:08 kesne: I forget Jan 11 20:16:09 ya, but it doesn't seem like chuq can answer questions regarding upcoming patches Jan 11 20:16:13 what is Yo Dawg? Jan 11 20:16:22 I downloaded it while it was still in QA, though Jan 11 20:16:37 is it really the lowest rated app? Jan 11 20:16:48 Adora: updates submitted to both DMB apps, FYI ;) I think you'll like them :) Jan 11 20:16:59 the fart app which doesn't work has a different name, or? Jan 11 20:17:10 heh Jan 11 20:17:16 yetdog: hooray! Jan 11 20:17:20 noaXess? Jan 11 20:17:32 yetdog: they're assigned to someone else, but I'll still take a look Jan 11 20:17:40 Adora: three ratings, 0 stars, hehe Jan 11 20:17:42 I download just about everything anyway Jan 11 20:17:45 swisstomcat: yes.. your right.. wow.. Jan 11 20:17:50 :) Jan 11 20:18:00 noaxess: you're the first swiss that i see here Jan 11 20:18:20 Adora: oh, no worries. I just knew you were a DMB fan (i think?) so wanted to let ya know! Jan 11 20:18:21 jep... just in the beginning on webos developing Jan 11 20:18:28 not looking to speed things up :) Jan 11 20:18:42 noaXess: could you use a sbb or zvv fahrplan on your pre? Jan 11 20:18:58 swisstomcat: hm.. are you developing one? Jan 11 20:19:08 noaXess: yeah .. are you on orange? Jan 11 20:19:16 swisstomcat: yes Jan 11 20:19:28 dang .. the sbb fahrplan doesn't work on orange yet Jan 11 20:19:38 swisstomcat: why? Jan 11 20:19:59 noaXess: orange charges to access the mobile sbb website .. how strange is that? Jan 11 20:20:33 noaXess: here is the ZVV one: http://www.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/fahrplan Jan 11 20:20:41 i'm looking for feedback Jan 11 20:20:49 swisstomcat: hm... so if i navigation with the browser to www.sbb.ch or just for the mobile part? Jan 11 20:21:02 noaXess: just for mobile.sbb.ch Jan 11 20:21:17 noaXess: and feel free to ask about webos development Jan 11 20:21:22 swisstomcat: aha.. so contacting orange and sbb, why.. Jan 11 20:21:34 already contacted orange why Jan 11 20:21:43 wonder if i will hear from them Jan 11 20:21:53 swisstomcat: also sbb? Jan 11 20:21:56 not yet Jan 11 20:22:08 mobile.zvv.ch works tho Jan 11 20:22:13 very strange Jan 11 20:22:33 swisstomcat: i think i have a indirect connectio to orange.. i'm a business partner of e-fon and they have e-fon mobile -> orange.. Jan 11 20:22:42 cool Jan 11 20:23:02 i started developing for webos in october Jan 11 20:23:02 so i can try to ask my partner supporter to contact orange.. Jan 11 20:23:17 noaXess: can you reproduce the problem? Jan 11 20:23:18 i'm just new :) since a week.. Jan 11 20:23:26 ask and we will help Jan 11 20:23:39 swisstomcat: so.. wait.. how is the sbb plan calling? Jan 11 20:23:53 or same app? Jan 11 20:24:34 fahrplan is ZVV Jan 11 20:24:40 fahrplan SBB is using sbb Jan 11 20:24:56 err .. SBB fahrplan Jan 11 20:25:01 http://www.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/sbb-fahrplan Jan 11 20:25:13 swisstomcat: have it.. Jan 11 20:25:32 great if you can give some feedback Jan 11 20:25:33 so in order to install an app from ares to the device i need devmode turned on and usb connected to what mode? Jan 11 20:25:36 swisstomcat: i'm developing a syncML client for funambol.. Jan 11 20:25:46 noaXess: that sounds interesting Jan 11 20:26:14 noaXess: with mojo or something else? Jan 11 20:26:26 swisstomcat: but i need first get into webos developing structur and the into syncML.. but have contacts on funambol Jan 11 20:26:29 noaXess: tomcat@inorbit.ch if you want to contact me Jan 11 20:26:31 mojo Jan 11 20:26:52 swisstomcat: i work on linux and use eclipse Jan 11 20:26:57 with the mojo plugin Jan 11 20:27:04 i work on linux and use gedit/terminal Jan 11 20:27:49 <-- uses komodo Jan 11 20:27:51 swisstomcat: it works :) but i'm on wifi.. Jan 11 20:27:55 * jeffwheeler uses Vim Jan 11 20:28:01 And a wonderful makefile Jan 11 20:28:49 noaXess: go to mobile.sbb.ch with the pre browser on 3G Jan 11 20:29:16 for me it said "pay CHF0.90 for 30minutes" Jan 11 20:30:08 * swisstomcat shakes fist at orange .. i pay enough for 1gb of data per month Jan 11 20:30:55 swisstomcat: mine too :( Jan 11 20:32:06 w00t I just installed my very first app on my very own device :> Jan 11 20:32:09 I am so l33t Jan 11 20:32:20 l33t... Jan 11 20:33:36 hehe nevermind... it's just a nice feeling Jan 11 20:33:49 :) Jan 11 20:34:08 1337 Jan 11 20:34:23 it pains me to type that Jan 11 20:35:22 * MetaView loves Synergy: synergy2.sourceforge.net Jan 11 20:36:54 hi...i have a quick question Jan 11 20:37:23 im buying a pre-used pre. will i be able to access the app catalog and purchase apps without getting sprint service? Jan 11 20:37:35 I want ot just use the phone on wifi for development purposes Jan 11 20:38:01 you only need the provider for activation Jan 11 20:38:39 when signing up as an open source developer, the site is forcing me to enter all kinds of things like "company name" and "taxpayer id", wtf? Jan 11 20:40:03 Metaview thanks. How does payment work for the app catalog? is it through paypal? Jan 11 20:40:03 Hey, Adora, you around? Jan 11 20:40:17 cxreg: I did the same thing the other day; you should be able to get through it by clicking the Payment tab on the top Jan 11 20:40:35 or something like that; I entered my name for Company Name, then submitted and got the error page, then skipped past it anyways Jan 11 20:40:46 Guest67903: yes, it uses PayPal Jan 11 20:41:09 cxreg: I think, technically speaking, you're supposed to use your SSN for the taxpayer ID, but I didn't do that Jan 11 20:41:25 right, I actually enterd 000000000 and it took it Jan 11 20:41:42 jeff thanks... Jan 11 20:42:00 Im getting a pre used pre for $150 so I hope this works Jan 11 20:42:25 lyht: I am, what's up? Jan 11 20:42:31 Guest67903: I'm skeptical that that will work Jan 11 20:42:42 really? why? Jan 11 20:43:02 Any chance you could tell me who is reviewing Pitch Pipe? I am trying to reject it to upload an update. Jan 11 20:43:11 Guest67903: Isn't the store tied to the carrier in some way? Say, don't the international stores carry slightly different apps? Jan 11 20:43:27 Guest67903: Isn't the store tied to the carrier in some way? Say, don't the international stores carry slightly different apps? Jan 11 20:43:29 Ack. Jan 11 20:43:36 Syn Jan 11 20:43:42 ooops Jan 11 20:43:47 that's backwards Jan 11 20:43:51 Guest67903: Say, won't Verizon carry the Mobile Hotspot app? Jan 11 20:43:56 out of order packet detected, dropping connection Jan 11 20:44:23 jeff: I think u may be right about that. but id still be able to develop on it, right Jan 11 20:44:36 Guest67903: absolutely, and still submit to the app store, even Jan 11 20:45:00 Guest67903: of course, you don't really need a Pre at all to do that Jan 11 20:45:11 jeffwheeler: I dont think it is carrier specitic. I think verizon will just put the hotspot app on the phone itself Jan 11 20:45:28 lyht: I'm not sure, just send the request to your handler and he/she will take care of it Jan 11 20:45:35 i could also install apps from the projectapetite.com website too hopefully Jan 11 20:45:45 Adora: alright. Jan 11 20:45:47 lyht: hmm, it's possible; what about, when submitting apps, how you select the countries where it can be sold? Jan 11 20:46:01 Guest67903: I expect so Jan 11 20:46:25 jeffwheeler: well, for apps that are sold, you can only pick US right now. For free apps there are check boxes for countries and languages you want your app available. Jan 11 20:46:55 lyht: yeah, I was thinking of the free app options; that's what makes me think it's tied to the carrier Jan 11 20:47:51 They may change it in the future, but right now as a developer I can pick the countries the app is available, but not the carrier. Jan 11 20:48:22 lyht: Hmm, I was thinking they did it by country by looking at the carrier in that country Jan 11 20:48:29 lyht: Obviously I could be wrong Jan 11 20:48:57 sure wish there was an easy way to buy developer phones Jan 11 20:48:58 lyht: (and now that there is going to be more than one carrier in the US, I'm not sure what to think) Jan 11 20:49:05 i don't need 5 phone plans! Jan 11 20:49:22 Guest67903: indeed Jan 11 20:49:28 everyone, thanks for your help Jan 11 20:49:37 Guest67903: Palm is looking at some options, because they know your pain and feel bad there is no way right now Jan 11 20:50:18 atleast with the iphone you can buy an ipod Jan 11 20:50:21 damn auto-patching work crap Jan 11 20:50:49 wish palm had a similar device. Looking forward to it! Jan 11 20:51:43 you can buy an ipod to dev on as if it were an iphone? Jan 11 20:52:52 <_lance_> yeah, so long as it's running the iphone os.. and you don't need a cellular radio. Jan 11 20:53:04 <_lance_> the first gen itouches you need to upgrade the OS, which I think is $10 Jan 11 20:53:13 interesting... Jan 11 20:53:19 i thought you could... Jan 11 20:53:31 <_lance_> but you still need a mac to do the actual development on Jan 11 20:53:37 right Jan 11 20:53:41 don't have one of those :D Jan 11 20:53:50 <_lance_> i have a netbook that i threw leopard onto Jan 11 20:53:54 <_lance_> running xcode on it is painful Jan 11 20:54:06 <_lance_> even with 2gb of ram Jan 11 20:54:24 <_lance_> also: hooray, I have cross-compiled tsocks! Jan 11 20:54:28 <_lance_> now i just need to give it a go Jan 11 20:54:33 cool Jan 11 21:00:09 so im gonna buy a used pre for $150 and hope every thing works Jan 11 21:36:31 I am back! Jan 11 21:54:22 kesne! Jan 11 21:56:41 * jeffwheeler wonders when PDK access will be privately available Jan 11 21:59:28 jeffwheeler possibly in a month or so. but really March is the BETA date. Not the PUBLIC date. Jan 11 21:59:42 Rick_work: hmm, alright; I'm just impatient :P Jan 11 21:59:42 jeffwheeler in the mean time, use the Webos-internals pdk to get your app ready Jan 11 22:00:02 Rick_work: I don't have a specific app; I want to play with cross-compilation from haskell :) Jan 11 22:00:18 jeffwheeler then use the webos-internals pdk Jan 11 22:00:30 * jeffwheeler googles Jan 11 22:01:01 webos-internals.org jeffwheeler link on the front page Jan 11 22:01:08 Yeah, I'm there Jan 11 22:07:31 hi Jan 11 22:09:50 is mobile internet access widely spread among U.S. users? Jan 11 22:16:10 yes Jan 11 22:23:15 psi_ spreading fast Jan 11 22:28:48 jeffwheeler: it's not carrier-dependend, is country-separated #appcatalog Jan 11 22:29:07 MetaView: hmm, okay Jan 11 22:41:25 damn this button from ares keeps staying empty, although it has a label Jan 11 22:41:27 any ideas? Jan 11 22:45:20 this is totally weird Jan 11 22:45:32 well ares is beta... Jan 11 22:45:48 thanks Jan 11 22:46:04 cya Jan 11 22:46:20 so are there any known issues with ares and two buttons? Jan 11 22:49:33 how do I go about retrieving a value from the following: this.myObject = {val1: 1, val2: '2nd value', val3: 'things'}; Jan 11 22:50:13 this.myObject.val1 Jan 11 22:50:41 joekinley: that is all? Jan 11 22:51:02 so value 2 would be "this.myObject.val2" Jan 11 22:51:34 yes Jan 11 22:51:41 or this.myObject["val2"] Jan 11 22:51:47 both equivalent Jan 11 22:52:09 or even this["myObject"]["val2"], but I think you got the point Jan 11 22:52:32 wow - some things just seem to obvious thank! Jan 11 22:52:33 thanks Jan 11 22:52:36 np Jan 11 22:53:24 hehe Jan 11 22:53:39 so anyone has an idea why my activitybutton does not show the label? Jan 11 22:53:53 sorry, man, I don't use Ares Jan 11 22:54:10 mh okay Jan 11 22:54:42 joekinley: u usung ares? Jan 11 22:54:54 jup Jan 11 22:55:43 need to build an app on it, did a simple hello worlld Jan 11 22:56:28 it's different but nice Jan 11 22:56:36 no need to initialize widgets is a big plus Jan 11 22:57:26 will have to check it out, Jan 11 22:57:54 need 2 go for a jog, c u all later Jan 11 22:58:43 cya Jan 11 23:00:00 hm, SQLite doesn't do JOINs right? Jan 11 23:01:44 yep, looks has and belongs to many will be a bitch Jan 11 23:01:46 to code Jan 11 23:02:19 you could use subselects right? Jan 11 23:04:09 what do I know, there are joins Jan 11 23:04:18 that was stupid, scratch that :) Jan 11 23:05:45 hehe Jan 11 23:20:57 hm, is anyone having problems switching from wifi to data connection? data works, I disable data, enable wifi, disable wifi, enable data -> data does not work :( Jan 11 23:21:18 error message is "could not resolve host (2006) " Jan 11 23:32:01 hi guys, anyone know anything about using fastAccelerometer? Been having a hard time getting it working and I'm almost certain I'm using the correct calls (because disableScreenTimeout works). Jan 11 23:34:59 not all at once ;) Jan 11 23:40:15 what isn't working mikemcelligott? Jan 11 23:40:47 i do beleive that fastAccel mode is only available in fullscreen mode... Jan 11 23:41:28 So has anyone submitted app screenshots with top bar patches? Jan 11 23:46:55 I'm running the card in fullscreen, so that isn't it.. Jan 12 00:03:33 what is the best way to save 3 items on a cookie, from 3 different scenes at 3 different times, and still keep the values of all 3? Jan 12 00:04:30 lonestar: I use 1 cookie and make it global. Jan 12 00:05:26 I.e. put it in the sources.json Jan 12 00:06:15 thinking of doing something like "this.myObject = {val1: 1, val2: '2nd value', val3: 'things'};" Jan 12 00:07:18 how would I call the above value to modify only "val2" or "val3" according to scene? Jan 12 00:07:35 sorry call the above object Jan 12 00:12:24 LoneStar99: its the same cookie though, right? Jan 12 00:12:28 so not 3 separate cookies Jan 12 00:12:53 what if step 1, you grabbed the existing cookie values Jan 12 00:13:03 then reset them, only changing the value you want to change Jan 12 00:13:06 and write it back to the cookie Jan 12 00:16:06 yetdog: yeah that sounds good, but if I reset it one scene, won't it overwrite the entire cookie? Jan 12 00:16:18 when you say "reset", what do you mean? Jan 12 00:16:33 well it overwrites it, yes Jan 12 00:16:38 but you've already grabbed whats already in there Jan 12 00:16:49 so other than the value youre changing, you're just re-writing back what was already in there Jan 12 00:17:59 oh ok, grab what is there: {val1: 'boom', val2: 'bam', val3: 'things'}; then send it back to cookie as {val1: 'boom', val2: 'new boom', val3: 'things'}; Right? Jan 12 00:18:08 exactly! Jan 12 00:18:43 ok, thanks, will work on it... did not want to have my app full of different cookies Jan 12 00:18:58 no problem, happy to actually be able to lend some advice on something in here! :) Jan 12 00:19:36 im using them in both of my apps Jan 12 00:20:02 one to store user account info for tying in w/ my website's user database, and the other app uses them for prefernces Jan 12 00:20:06 yeah, have simple cookie, but as the app gets more complex, need to think of more complex fixes Jan 12 00:20:55 damn, i am skipping words, sound like illiterate Jan 12 00:21:14 haha. im a horrible typer when i actually know what i want to say. brain moves faster than fingers. Jan 12 00:21:30 yeah, same here Jan 12 00:22:30 k gang, heading home now Jan 12 00:22:36 laters Jan 12 00:22:43 hey Jan 12 00:22:53 kesne: got your handle right Jan 12 00:23:09 LoneStar: Nice! Jan 12 00:23:56 Arg Jan 12 00:23:59 Damn numlock Jan 12 00:24:06 LongStar99: ma bad Jan 12 00:25:33 yeah, notice i skip tons of words when writting in here Jan 12 00:40:50 have a mix of images, they all have random extensions "jpg" or "png" or "gif" and are dynamically added so can not hardcode the extension, anyone know how to go about this? Jan 12 00:42:58 why the F database transaction's exceptions never get logged Jan 12 00:43:27 that's getting me insane Jan 12 00:43:48 actually, I meant transaction's callback functions Jan 12 01:13:37 gabrielgilini: is the error handle called? Jan 12 01:20:24 someone here had provided me with a great regex website, it lists all sort of examples.. anyone know of the site? Jan 12 01:20:45 installed win7 and lost all my bookmarks... Jan 12 01:21:14 yo Jan 12 01:21:53 Bmyers_: yep, I show an error dialog that only appears briefly, very weird Jan 12 01:22:09 there's a call to Mojo.Log.error on the next line that never gets executed Jan 12 01:22:23 but I found the syntax error, was on the SQL Jan 12 01:22:37 so u got it working? Jan 12 01:22:43 just opened the sqlite3 via ssh and tried to execute the sql by hand Jan 12 01:22:44 yep Jan 12 01:22:46 thanks anyway Jan 12 01:22:51 I'll get going Jan 12 01:22:52 bye Jan 12 01:22:53 thats the way to do it Jan 12 01:44:25 Whoho, 1.3.5! :D Jan 12 01:46:29 Odd. My app is marked as "Published," but it's not in the app catalog. Jan 12 01:47:01 The submitted date is also in the future. Jan 12 01:47:58 Oh, there it is; had to restart my Pre for some reason. Jan 12 01:49:02 Strange. The transparency in the icon doesn't work in the app catalog; everywhere else, it's fine. Jan 12 01:53:40 did you use png 24? Jan 12 01:59:44 anyone here good with regex? Jan 12 02:00:41 Hey all, what's the best way to loop background audio Jan 12 02:00:49 LoneStar99: JenP Jan 12 02:01:30 kesne: Pretty easily by setting up the proper listeners for play and end Jan 12 02:02:03 reality9110: care you help me out Jan 12 02:02:14 reality9190: ok thanks will ask for some help when she logs in Jan 12 02:02:29 JenP is a she right? Jan 12 02:03:02 yes Jan 12 02:03:31 LoneStar99: http://www.regular-expressions.info/examples.html http://www.zytrax.com/tech/web/regex.htm Jan 12 02:03:39 2 of the first 3 on google Jan 12 02:05:19 haeffb: someone here had given me another site, with tons of examples, with a search, but lost the link Jan 12 02:06:13 thanks will look through them Jan 12 02:10:56 hey guys Jan 12 02:12:07 LoneStar99: it was completely my fault; I did the app icon correctly, but screwed up the scaled icon Jan 12 02:14:04 oh ok 48x48? Jan 12 02:14:20 LoneStar99: yeah, I screwed up that one Jan 12 02:14:47 my first app dropped tonight. it's called "Debt Collector". if anyone feels like downloading it let me know what you think. fyi it's a paid app (sorry to disappoint). the link is http://developer.palm.com/webChannel/index.php?packageid=com.awesmo.payme Jan 12 02:14:53 Jan 12 02:15:57 My first app dropped tonight too; it's "CUMTD", free in the App Catalog. It's neat, but not much use unless you live in Urbana-Champaign, Illinois. Jan 12 02:19:13 jeffwheeler does your app use gps? Jan 12 02:19:31 LoneStar99: unfortunately not in the app; the buses have GPS on them Jan 12 02:19:49 oh ok Jan 12 02:19:52 LoneStar99: the user bookmarks stops, and the GPS in the buses can let the user see the approaching buses Jan 12 02:20:29 hmmm.. interesting Jan 12 02:23:15 jeffwheeler: so the user has to be on the bus? Jan 12 02:23:30 LoneStar99: nope Jan 12 02:23:46 LoneStar99: just select a stop, and the app shows the approaching buses in a list Jan 12 02:23:56 LoneStar99: check out the screenshots Jan 12 02:25:14 ok i will Jan 12 02:29:39 JenP: are you around? Jan 12 02:30:25 jeffwheeler: do you have the web link to your app? Jan 12 02:31:41 LoneStar99: I don't think there is one; it's only in the app catalog Jan 12 02:32:23 what is your package name: com.yourapp.boo Jan 12 02:32:31 com.jeffwheeler.cumtd Jan 12 02:32:56 So, http://developer.palm.com/webChannel/index.php?packageid=com.jeffwheeler.cumtd Jan 12 02:33:18 http://uoid.me/cumtd1 Jan 12 02:33:22 yeah Jan 12 02:33:47 jeffwheeler: nice - is it in a form where data for other systems can be added? Jan 12 02:34:00 * rwhitby wants to modify some bus app for Adelaide buses Jan 12 02:34:37 rwhitby: that version is kinda messy; it was easy to build based on http://stopwatch.cumtd.mobi/ Jan 12 02:35:18 I'm trying to improve it right now; the old source is here: http://github.com/jeffwheeler/CUMTD Jan 12 02:36:44 You're welcome to contribute or fork; I've mostly restarted Jan 12 02:37:15 rwhitby: you good with regex? Jan 12 02:53:32 "b1.jpg" in redex [a-z][0-9].[a-z][a-z][a-z] ?? Jan 12 02:54:24 sorry regex Jan 12 02:59:09 LoneStar99: What are you trying to do with regex? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jan 12 02:59:56 2010