**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 22 02:59:57 2010 Jan 22 03:00:21 it's the only thing i have control of.. Jan 22 03:00:26 JenP: that one's -probably- ok Jan 22 03:00:39 let me get a second opinion from chuq tomorrow Jan 22 03:00:56 cool..thanks. I'm trying to get "boundaries" established for artist Jan 22 03:01:18 JenP: I know, it's so subjective right now Jan 22 03:01:24 "I know it when I see it" kind of thing Jan 22 03:01:33 and sometimes we can't even tell =P Jan 22 03:01:34 best part is what I submitted the first time was me making him calm a lot down Jan 22 03:01:43 totally understand Jan 22 03:02:04 but it's weird cause the dijit apps are actual photos of bikini clad girls Jan 22 03:02:38 yeah Jan 22 03:02:53 who's gonna want that in January? Jan 22 03:03:05 lol us californians...? Jan 22 03:03:14 nah...we all go topless...what was i thinking Jan 22 03:03:25 it's all about the shoes... Jan 22 03:03:38 HECK YEAH! Jan 22 03:04:10 did u every find that shoe app? Jan 22 03:05:08 OKAY Jan 22 03:05:21 any more kittens in here that need saving before I disappear back into the night? Jan 22 03:05:30 nope i'm good thanks! Jan 22 03:05:37 no thanks again Adora.. Jan 22 03:05:53 Bmyers do you mean that dijit app of pics of women wearing shoes? Jan 22 03:06:05 haeffb: thanks for relaying the pubsub message. Would that be "message forwarding" ? Jan 22 03:06:08 that must be the one.. Jan 22 03:06:26 yuk...the app sucks.. really poorly constructed Jan 22 03:06:35 haeffb_pre: Jan 22 03:06:50 is haeffb_pre in here? Jan 22 03:07:07 Jenp: I dont think they were shooting for coding excellence there. Jan 22 03:07:13 he was.. Jan 22 03:07:18 seen haeffb Jan 22 03:07:44 ack... is infobot only in internals? Jan 22 03:07:53 i think so.. Jan 22 03:08:01 lemketron: we need our own bot Jan 22 03:08:02 Bmyers nk! it's sad because they make the other apps get a ghetto made reputation Jan 22 03:08:03 I want chanstats Jan 22 03:08:59 I want a gin and tonic.. Jan 22 03:09:10 is there a bot for that? Jan 22 03:09:40 oooh i want chocolate... Jan 22 03:10:21 lemketron: is there a timeframe for messaging being available? Jan 22 03:11:24 i'd like to see sharing of the /media/internal directory or USB support in the emu Jan 22 03:11:28 Adora: thanks again! Jan 22 03:12:14 Bymers: What? Like emulated USB hookup? Jan 22 03:12:35 Bmyers: why do you need to listen to that? Jan 22 03:12:41 SQL Jan 22 03:12:59 ahhh.....you're storing your DB there? Jan 22 03:13:08 u can use this cool komodo edit sqlite tool if you can get to ext: Jan 22 03:13:24 oooh nice....have to check that out Jan 22 03:13:37 pretty neato. its works with the device Jan 22 03:13:39 Bmyers: if you Jan 22 03:13:57 but it lets you test queries, populate the db, change columns, etc.. Jan 22 03:14:50 hmmm......can't you mount a directory via ssh? Jan 22 03:15:00 dunno.. Jan 22 03:15:10 i used it to test my app with a bizillion records in it Jan 22 03:15:22 generated by a data gen Jan 22 03:15:40 err....that requires FUSE Jan 22 03:16:11 have to talk to the webos-internals boys and girls about whether we can get FUSE running on the Pre Jan 22 03:16:16 then you'd be golden Jan 22 03:16:24 you could mount internal over ssh Jan 22 03:16:38 yo peeps Jan 22 03:16:57 lemketron was shouting u Jan 22 03:17:21 haeffb_pre: you should try what i did with my app Jan 22 03:17:27 yes, but he disappeared like the wind once I asked a tough question....hah! Jan 22 03:17:46 loading up lots of records in your db to see how it reacts.. Jan 22 03:18:11 with a data generator Jan 22 03:18:16 lemketron: no prob Jan 22 03:18:58 huh. did it do bad things? Jan 22 03:19:26 not too bad really. i add thousands of time entries.. years worth of data Jan 22 03:19:37 haeffb_pre! Jan 22 03:20:15 jenp! Jan 22 03:20:32 you are gonna love your app Jan 22 03:20:38 well at least i love your app Jan 22 03:20:44 almost ready to send it Jan 22 03:21:04 Bmyers: the optware feed has an NFS implentation...you could use that to mount the emulator's internal directory Jan 22 03:21:25 Bmyers: its called unfs3 Jan 22 03:21:32 are you running OSX/Linux? Jan 22 03:21:36 almost easier to just use the device .. Jan 22 03:21:51 i am on ubuntu right now.. sometimes XP Jan 22 03:21:53 yeah...just saying there are options Jan 22 03:22:09 OK...well you'd just have to install unsf3....then you'd be golden Jan 22 03:22:34 i'll check that out Jan 22 03:22:37 jenp: awesome Jan 22 03:22:40 its handy to have.. Jan 22 03:25:03 bye jfelectron Jan 22 03:30:43 so is dijit apps now paying $50 per app? Jan 22 03:31:19 they started charging that now? Jan 22 03:32:55 I think so. when the dev program opened. Jan 22 03:33:34 cant wait to see what Jenp: does with Myles Jan 22 03:34:09 Finishing header right now...once it's done i'll send it on its way Jan 22 03:35:43 are there gonna be bootie shots in it? that'll spice it up Jan 22 03:36:03 or are you going with a different approach for this one? Jan 22 03:37:47 updating preware. might be kicked out in a bit Jan 22 03:43:11 Bmyers: install openssh sftp server in preware, and then use an SFTP client to browse the files on the device Jan 22 03:43:37 e.g. WinSCP or Fugu or tramp in Emacs Jan 22 03:43:40 thanks Rod. Jan 22 03:44:14 the device is easy. the emu was the hard part. Jan 22 03:44:39 Bmyers: oh, for emu I usually add a second host-only vboxnet0 network interface, and then do the same thing Jan 22 03:45:33 bring up the interface yourself in the emu? Jan 22 03:45:48 no, it'll bring it up auto as dhcp Jan 22 03:45:56 appears on the 192.168.56.x subnet Jan 22 03:51:01 Jews Jan 22 03:53:05 haeffb_pre still in here? Jan 22 03:56:13 JenP done? Jan 22 03:56:25 well closer to done then I was Jan 22 03:56:57 there are still a few things i don't like but figured I should get haeffb's opinion on it before i put any more work Jan 22 03:56:59 into it Jan 22 03:57:53 nice. he prolly dosed off. i might soon too... Jan 22 03:58:11 hopefully not...did he say if it was ok to send it to you? Jan 22 03:58:30 idk what kind of nda's he's using Jan 22 03:58:41 he didnt say that to you.. Jan 22 03:59:04 i think I'm mentioned in the source code tho.. Jan 22 03:59:33 let me take a look brb Jan 22 03:59:35 he said he was giving me some street creds in the source.. Jan 22 04:00:52 no sense in sending to me anyway if he hasnt seen it. Jan 22 04:01:54 Bmyers in PM join me Jan 22 04:03:45 haeffb_pre!!! Jan 22 04:03:49 check your mail Jan 22 04:03:59 ok... Jan 22 04:04:21 first off not happy with header... Jan 22 04:04:31 the orange on first scene is more muted then second. Jan 22 04:04:41 first scene is more monochomatic Jan 22 04:10:39 cool. I like the orange/brown scheme Jan 22 04:11:04 first scene uses diff color scheme then second Jan 22 04:11:28 wanted to show you the diff in shades Jan 22 04:11:33 agreed Jan 22 04:12:30 diff orange? Jan 22 04:12:41 haeffb_pre notice it's still the light theme approached differently Jan 22 04:13:03 orange: yes first scene is rusted orange. second is bright tangerine orange Jan 22 04:13:42 needs some adjustments to a few things yet. buy I likey! Jan 22 04:13:47 but Jan 22 04:13:49 i also think you should change the menu button on press from blue to orange Jan 22 04:13:51 but? Jan 22 04:14:09 but I likey! Jan 22 04:14:15 lol.. Jan 22 04:14:20 i don't like the header Jan 22 04:14:44 i love how the preferences look Jan 22 04:15:30 ya that could be better. hr a diff shade. lighten bg so text stands out better. Jan 22 04:16:24 toggles should be orange... :) Jan 22 04:16:58 idk i like how they're white because it pops against the group titles Jan 22 04:16:58 some small tweaks, though and it'll be awesome. Jan 22 04:17:21 i agree Jan 22 04:17:26 oh, turn them on. they're blue Jan 22 04:17:40 oh never knew that Jan 22 04:17:42 kk orange Jan 22 04:21:34 ok. gotta zzzz for 2night. will talk later. Thanks! Jan 22 04:21:43 kk g'nite Jan 22 04:28:20 hello Jan 22 04:28:23 howdy Jan 22 04:28:36 :) Jan 22 04:29:23 i wanna buy a palm device, but how do i get a new "unlocked" one? Jan 22 04:30:31 reserve; check out expansys US store. Jan 22 04:30:34 is there any support program for non-us developers or so on? Jan 22 04:30:56 bsneed: thx, but it's so expensive :( Jan 22 04:31:14 well, that's an unlocked phone for you. Jan 22 04:31:38 mm.. thx a lot :) Jan 22 04:31:54 is there any palm employee? Jan 22 04:40:20 How should my app tell what model phone it's on? pre or pixi? Jan 22 04:42:21 have you checked developers.palm.com? Jan 22 04:42:29 there's some javascript methods in Mojo for that IIRC. Jan 22 04:42:58 yea Jan 22 04:43:04 the only method they give is Jan 22 04:43:23 the com.palm.properties.nduid Jan 22 04:43:40 but the device model and such are locked to com.palm Jan 22 04:44:45 one sec. Jan 22 04:45:34 bsneed and crasheed are you all brothers... Jan 22 04:45:41 o.O Jan 22 04:45:45 eh? Jan 22 04:45:47 where did that come from Jan 22 04:45:53 we're both eed's, yes. Jan 22 04:45:57 but that's as close as it gets. Jan 22 04:45:59 yeah Jan 22 04:46:08 eed - so random Jan 22 04:46:12 lol Jan 22 04:46:21 crasheed was the randomly generated one mirc gave me Jan 22 04:47:02 righton Jan 22 04:47:55 crasheed: that's odd that's the only one. Jan 22 04:48:14 yea... Jan 22 04:48:16 i suggest you do as i did and rip the mojo javascript off of the emulator so you can look at it. Jan 22 04:48:22 i did Jan 22 04:48:28 but like i sed Jan 22 04:48:34 the other methods are locked to com.palm Jan 22 04:48:35 no undocumented parameters for that one? Jan 22 04:48:40 there are Jan 22 04:48:43 but I can't use em Jan 22 04:48:48 ah, didn't catch what you meant by that. Jan 22 04:49:07 i can use them if i put com.palm infront of my appname Jan 22 04:49:07 well crap. that's kind of a necessary bit of info. Jan 22 04:49:15 yea XD Jan 22 04:49:20 what file was that in? Jan 22 04:49:42 com.palm.app.deviceinfo Jan 22 04:50:04 in the more-assistant Jan 22 04:50:15 com.palm.properties.PRODoID = device model Jan 22 04:50:18 but can't use it =( Jan 22 04:50:46 i guess i can try getting it by calculating the screen resolution Jan 22 04:50:50 since the pixi's is smaller Jan 22 04:51:01 crap, i can't find where dumped the webos tree at. Jan 22 04:51:45 ah, here we go. Jan 22 04:55:22 i bet someone in webos-internals would know. Jan 22 04:55:26 the mojo javascript is also part of the SDK, btw Jan 22 04:56:26 oh so it is. Jan 22 04:56:28 should've looked harder. Jan 22 04:56:53 but, if you have ares, open the console and connect to a device. then dump deviceinfo Jan 22 04:57:24 Mojo.Environment.DeviceInfo that is. Jan 22 04:57:39 o.O? Jan 22 04:57:41 there's more in there than is (currently) described on http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1860&Itemid=249 Jan 22 04:58:12 I've requested that they update that page with the other useful items. Jan 22 05:00:11 i'm sure they've gotten a lot of requests to update Jan 22 05:00:58 Yeah, but mine was filed in the internal bug database. :-) Jan 22 05:01:11 you work there? Jan 22 05:02:04 hey dkirker Jan 22 05:02:14 you still on verizon? Jan 22 05:02:28 lemketron: Yes sir. Jan 22 05:02:43 heh... got any plans on Monday? Jan 22 05:02:53 None. Jan 22 05:03:11 really? I thought you might. Jan 22 05:03:40 Well, I may go into the VZW store and check out the Pre Plus and Pixi Plus. Been a while since I've held either. Jan 22 05:03:52 But, I don't have the $$ to purchase yet. :( Jan 22 05:03:58 d'oh! Jan 22 05:04:22 i would love to beta test my app on a verizon palm Jan 22 05:04:28 should'a been selling webOS apps. :-) Jan 22 05:04:44 Yes. Being out of school for 9 months and out of a job is a terrible position to be in. Even worse when you're self employeed with no income atm. Jan 22 05:04:51 need to find a sucker whos on verizon and willing to shellout for the phone Jan 22 05:04:53 I may be doing some contract work. :) Jan 22 05:05:05 crasheed: Shell out what? Jan 22 05:05:12 shellout the money Jan 22 05:05:17 to purchase a palm phone Jan 22 05:05:30 so i can use them as test subjects Jan 22 05:05:31 :D Jan 22 05:05:33 If the app is something that I might find useful, I use a Centro on Big Red. Jan 22 05:05:48 oh it's useful :F Jan 22 05:05:50 :D Jan 22 05:06:24 * lemketron tries to parse :F Jan 22 05:06:41 its fangs i bet. Jan 22 05:06:48 crasheed: What does your app do? Jan 22 05:07:21 it deals with media Jan 22 05:07:32 mainly playing and streaming or downloading media off the web Jan 22 05:07:51 ooo, hmmm Jan 22 05:08:12 Well, I may be interested in helping you out. Jan 22 05:08:18 kewl Jan 22 05:09:02 I'll be on the Centro for another 6 months at least, I suspect. Jan 22 05:09:31 lol I plan on releasing my app at the start of febuary for the hot apps program Jan 22 05:10:08 waiting on the pdk personally Jan 22 05:10:58 pdk not elegible for hot apps thou :( Jan 22 05:11:14 not worried about that really. Jan 22 05:11:26 javascript is not my area of expertise. :/ Jan 22 05:11:32 me neither Jan 22 05:11:40 I only learned javascript recently because of webOS :D Jan 22 05:11:48 I'm c coder Jan 22 05:12:04 i used to be, doing mostly obj-c lately though. Jan 22 05:12:42 I wana make an online multiplayer shooter like gunbound or ishoot for the pre Jan 22 05:12:51 but I suck at drawing need graphic artists >.> Jan 22 05:13:02 when the pdk comes out Jan 22 05:13:03 or flash Jan 22 05:13:28 i want to make a system level equalizer. Jan 22 05:14:13 I also have BLOCKDUDE half made on the pre Jan 22 05:14:15 or a pony. Jan 22 05:14:22 from ti 83 calculator :D Jan 22 05:14:37 brb, gotta put the kids to bed. Jan 22 05:16:46 what's a good way to generate an authentication token? i'm thinking about combining a username, password and some sort of device id as someone suggested, but how should i encode it, just base64 encode or something better? Jan 22 05:16:56 crasheed: did you see my PM Jan 22 05:17:35 i just used a token Jan 22 05:17:40 between my server and pre Jan 22 05:17:52 token is linked to the device id Jan 22 05:18:25 what does it consist of? or is it just a random string of characters linked to a device id? Jan 22 05:19:19 when a user first connects to my server I grab their device id generate a token for them which i store in a sql table on the server Jan 22 05:19:34 then whenever the user makes a request to my server he attachs the token to the URL he sends me Jan 22 05:19:43 that way i always know who it came from Jan 22 05:21:15 did you design a proprietary algorithm to generate the token or ...? Jan 22 05:21:33 I used a builtin php function :D Jan 22 05:21:51 ah Jan 22 05:23:04 sigh. stupid system. Jan 22 05:23:10 md5? Jan 22 05:24:23 hmm? Jan 22 05:24:45 oh, him Jan 22 05:25:08 heh Jan 22 05:42:30 Testing. Jan 22 05:42:59 finally. Had to install nightly build of Adium and turns out I lost my password for Pre101. Jan 22 05:43:03 No idea how to reset it. Jan 22 05:43:18 Try asking in #freenode Jan 22 05:43:45 That could work. Jan 22 05:52:18 test Jan 22 06:03:40 Hurray! Just submitted my first application! Jan 22 06:03:53 Congrats! Jan 22 06:04:17 grtz! Jan 22 06:04:58 Thanks Jan 22 06:14:15 hi all Jan 22 06:18:18 Howdy Jan 22 08:29:15 anyone awake? Jan 22 08:36:07 yup Jan 22 08:36:15 its only 12:30am here Jan 22 08:43:05 pandora you wouldn't happen to be making pandora eh? Jan 22 09:07:14 anyone have experience with intercepting gestures? Jan 22 09:08:41 or is it even possible at all... I want to intercept and alter the behaviour of the back swipe gesture Jan 22 09:09:05 LiquidReality_: yes... I'll be back on in about 15 mins to explain how. Jan 22 09:09:27 in fact... it's not so much that I want to, it's that I have to since palm rejected my app cause they dont like the way it funcitons in my app.... Jan 22 09:09:44 fiftycal - that's awesome! Thanks in advance! Jan 22 09:26:10 LiquidReality: the back gesture is handles through handleCommand() Jan 22 09:26:25 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1859&Itemid=248#.back Jan 22 09:29:40 Epix - thanks. Here's some more info on my issue Jan 22 09:29:53 I have a single scene app that contains a webview Jan 22 09:30:21 I had originally had command menu buttons for navigation, but the app was rejected because of this Jan 22 09:30:42 I need to have the swipe gesture perform a webview back function. Jan 22 09:31:15 I have already achieved this through handleCommand(), but it still minimizes the app Jan 22 09:31:29 I want to stop this action Jan 22 09:31:42 unless of course the webview history state is 0 Jan 22 09:34:20 try using event.preventDefault() Jan 22 09:35:30 You ROCK!!!!! Jan 22 09:35:46 thank you so much!@ Jan 22 09:36:05 now a quick follow up q: Jan 22 09:36:11 no problem Jan 22 09:39:53 once I set up a listener for the webViewUpdateHistory - how do I actually check what the state is? Jan 22 09:42:14 I've never used a webView before so I don't know Jan 22 09:42:50 Hopefully someone else can help you Jan 22 09:43:43 no worries, thanks for the previous help! Jan 22 09:43:53 no worries Jan 22 09:43:59 Hi all - has anyone noticed that recent app updates are not appearing in the Recent section of the App Catalog today? Jan 22 09:44:10 or is it just me (in Ireland)? Jan 22 09:45:23 I haven't been able to view the app catalog so I don't know Jan 22 09:45:53 is it down for you? Jan 22 09:46:04 or have you never been able to view it? Jan 22 09:46:36 I keep getting a the action could not be completed. try again later Jan 22 09:46:52 though I have always got that since i got my phone a few days ago Jan 22 09:47:01 Hmm, yeah, and I'm seeing some apps with ratings, but no reviews. Maybe it's just gone a bit flakey Jan 22 09:47:17 I think it has something to do me not being able to create a palm profile Jan 22 09:48:38 ah ok, that's a different problem then Jan 22 09:56:59 anyone have experience with webView getHistoryState()? Jan 22 10:12:26 anyone around know how to check a webView getHistoryState()? Jan 22 10:25:07 hi all Jan 22 10:38:40 hi Jan 22 10:40:17 hey folks - anyone know how to access the getHistoryState object from webview? Jan 22 10:45:29 no Jan 22 11:34:23 hi. sorry if this is a simple question, but i'm just starting and i can't figure out how to push scene2 from scene1 Jan 22 11:35:10 this.controller.stageController.pushScene("prefs"); Jan 22 11:35:11 i tried Mojo.Controller.StageController.pushScene("scene2"); Jan 22 11:35:20 and? Jan 22 11:35:29 and i got: Jan 22 11:35:35 [20100122-03:32:10.389930] error: Uncaught TypeError: Object function anonymous() { { this.initialize.apply(this, arguments);} } has no method 'pushScene', app/assistants/first-assistant.js:37 Jan 22 11:36:01 is there another way i should be accessing pushScene? Jan 22 11:36:33 i see stage has controller class which has pushScene Jan 22 11:37:53 you have the wrong this pointer Jan 22 11:38:03 if I try StageAssistant.controller.pushScene("scene2"); Jan 22 11:38:05 it says Jan 22 11:38:08 [20100122-03:37:19.625048] error: Uncaught TypeError: Cannot call method 'pushScene' of undefined, app/assistants/first-assistant.js:37 Jan 22 11:38:14 you cal lit from an annonymous function Jan 22 11:38:23 you need to bind this Jan 22 11:38:35 oh ok. how do i do that? Jan 22 11:38:40 onSuccess: function() {}.bind(this) Jan 22 11:39:05 in stage1 assistant? Jan 22 11:39:32 how looks the code around you pushScene? Jan 22 11:39:42 FirstAssistant.prototype.searchCustomers = function() { Jan 22 11:39:42 StageAssistant.controller.pushScene("search-customers"); Jan 22 11:39:42 } Jan 22 11:40:04 before Mojo Jan 22 11:40:44 FirstAssistant.prototype.searchCustomers = function() { Jan 22 11:40:44 Mojo.Controller.StageController.pushScene("search-customers"); Jan 22 11:40:44 } Jan 22 11:40:48 like that Jan 22 11:40:52 ok, and now behind the } you add .bind(this) Jan 22 11:40:55 that's ot Jan 22 11:41:14 no Jan 22 11:41:16 sry Jan 22 11:41:40 second should work Jan 22 11:41:42 but Jan 22 11:41:50 how do you call searchCustomers? Jan 22 11:42:03 the card? Jan 22 11:42:13 so far it's just a flat file Jan 22 11:42:57 FirstAssistant.prototype.searchCustomers = function() { Jan 22 11:42:57 Mojo.Controller.StageController.pushScene("search-customers"); Jan 22 11:42:57 }.bind(this) Jan 22 11:43:00 ? Jan 22 11:43:43 searchCustomers must be called somehow, or? Jan 22 11:43:47 sorry Jan 22 11:43:50 Mojo.Event.listen(this.controller.get("btnSearchCustomers"),Mojo.Event.tap, this.searchCustomers.bind(this)); Jan 22 11:43:52 is it an event handler? Jan 22 11:43:55 yeah Jan 22 11:43:59 ok Jan 22 11:44:18 do you have an App-Asistant? Jan 22 11:44:21 Assistant? Jan 22 11:44:34 yeah for first assistant? Jan 22 11:44:42 first-assistant.js is where this code is Jan 22 11:44:53 oh app-assistant Jan 22 11:44:53 no Jan 22 11:44:57 ahhh Jan 22 11:45:02 no, there is a simple app with just one stage, here you might just have an stage assistant and your scenes Jan 22 11:45:18 or you have a multistage app layout, with an app-assistant Jan 22 11:45:19 ooh i don't have an app-assistant.js Jan 22 11:45:28 ok, just a stage-assistant Jan 22 11:45:34 right? Jan 22 11:45:45 yeah Jan 22 11:45:59 it's just a single stage so far Jan 22 11:46:09 then it should work, if you have defined the "search-customer" scene in your sources.json Jan 22 11:46:17 yeah Jan 22 11:46:25 so... Jan 22 11:46:35 you might also try this.controller.pushScene() Jan 22 11:47:22 [20100122-03:47:07.787345] error: Uncaught TypeError: Cannot call method 'pushScene' of undefined, app/assistants/first-assistant.js:38 Jan 22 11:48:10 how does the controller object get added to FirstAssistant? Jan 22 11:48:28 and why is it already part of stage-assistant? Jan 22 11:50:03 oohhhhh Jan 22 11:50:06 oops Jan 22 11:50:09 the controller is an instance of the scene controller which is setup between object constructor and setup Jan 22 11:50:16 found you problem? Jan 22 11:50:17 i should only pushScene once, if i have only one scene Jan 22 11:50:28 hm Jan 22 11:50:46 is there a pushCard? Jan 22 11:50:49 or something? Jan 22 11:50:57 for a second card? Jan 22 11:50:57 hi Jan 22 11:51:04 it's a nother stage I guess Jan 22 11:51:12 hi JayCanuck Jan 22 11:51:27 oh i see... oops. i confused stage with scene Jan 22 11:51:30 scene is card Jan 22 11:51:33 I'm joining mid-way in the conversation. soulsurfer, are you trying to push the first scene, at launch of the app? Jan 22 11:51:40 no Jan 22 11:51:48 i'm trying to push a scene2 from scene1 Jan 22 11:51:53 ah Jan 22 11:52:21 right now i have Jan 22 11:52:23 FirstAssistant.prototype.searchCustomers = function() { Jan 22 11:52:23 Mojo.Controller.StageController.pushScene("search-customers"); Jan 22 11:52:23 //this.controller.pushScene("search-customers"); Jan 22 11:52:23 } Jan 22 11:52:27 calling by Jan 22 11:52:35 Mojo.Event.listen(this.controller.get("btnSearchCustomers"),Mojo.Event.tap, this.searchCustomers.bind(this)); Jan 22 11:52:55 neither of those pushScene functions are working Jan 22 11:53:13 this.controller.stageController.pushScene("search"); btw Jan 22 11:53:16 this.controller.stageController.pushScene("scene2name", ...); (if you have additional scene2 params Jan 22 11:53:22 ) Jan 22 11:53:42 JayCanuck: are you the one from canucksoftware? Jan 22 11:53:46 yep Jan 22 11:53:56 Mojo.Event.listen(this.controller.get("btnSearchCustomers"),Mojo.Event.tap, this.searchCustomers.bind(this)); Jan 22 11:54:01 isn't it still in the middle of night at your place? Jan 22 11:54:09 lol, 5:54am Jan 22 11:54:15 Mojo.Event.listen(this.controller.get("btnSearchCustomers"),Mojo.Event.tap, this.searchCustomers.bind(this)); can be writted as: Jan 22 11:54:18 ok, early bird then :) Jan 22 11:54:39 this.controller.listen("btnSearchCustomers", Mojo.Event.tap, this.searchCustomers.bindAsEventListener(this)); Jan 22 11:55:08 MetaView, been workin on my secret Internalz builds ;) Jan 22 11:56:06 sorry I keep throwing this question out over and over, but I am stuck and hoping someone might be able to help: Jan 22 11:56:36 anyone have any experience working with webview historystates? Jan 22 11:57:03 not I, sorry Jan 22 11:58:01 JayCanuck: if you are on it: could you add a generic show file as ascii/hex ? Jan 22 11:58:53 I have text editor in my private build ;) Jan 22 11:59:20 doesn't need to be an editor, just a display would be great Jan 22 11:59:22 :) Jan 22 11:59:25 yea Jan 22 11:59:45 it's an editor in /media/cryptofs/apps/, /var/, and /media/internal/ Jan 22 11:59:54 in all other areas, it's viewer Jan 22 12:00:00 ok, cool Jan 22 12:00:09 do you release your private build once? Jan 22 12:00:14 no word wrap, to preserve formatting Jan 22 12:00:24 'k Jan 22 12:00:36 I've got a private testing group dropbox folder Jan 22 12:01:00 once all the features I'm trying to add are complete, I'll be releasing as v1.0.0 Jan 22 12:01:55 in a few sec, I'll have a screenshot displaying a feature I implemented tonight :D Jan 22 12:02:35 :) Jan 22 12:02:37 take a look Jan 22 12:02:39 http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/3359/internalz20102201060034.png Jan 22 12:02:45 see those 5 cards Jan 22 12:03:06 jo Jan 22 12:03:14 it's the editor? Jan 22 12:03:20 ALL Internalz :D I've implement option to have the text editor/viewer and image viewer to open in new cards Jan 22 12:03:24 it's multi-stage? Jan 22 12:03:28 yep Jan 22 12:03:32 cool Jan 22 12:03:37 optional multistage Jan 22 12:03:50 controlled in Preferences screeb Jan 22 12:03:52 *screen Jan 22 12:03:59 btw. also do you have made seomthing to read the whole filename? liek a ninfo or such? Jan 22 12:04:54 btw, great stuff Jan 22 12:05:45 my java service have a service call that lists all folders/files in a particular directory Jan 22 12:06:31 each file/folder entry is a json object, including filename, full filepath, filetype, etc. Jan 22 12:09:54 yes, you should display it in internalz :) Jan 22 12:10:28 btw. there is something different as make for java builds, what was the name? Jan 22 12:10:43 some tool, which read the configs out of a xml file Jan 22 12:11:24 Ant? Jan 22 12:11:41 I just use Eclipse and Netbeans Jan 22 12:11:44 right, ant was the name Jan 22 12:11:56 oh, and Meta, you were asking about the text editor Jan 22 12:12:06 here's a screenshot I posted a while ago http://twitpic.com/pws1e :) Jan 22 12:13:08 cool, looks very usefull Jan 22 12:14:38 I have a java map tile downloader here, which I use for offline maps in MapTool, it has a bug, I need to fix it and want to use the original build stuff Jan 22 12:16:15 nice Jan 22 12:21:51 hey Jan 22 12:22:34 hi swisstomcat Jan 22 12:23:24 ping noaXess Jan 22 12:23:32 swisstomcat: pong Jan 22 12:23:38 http://www.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/fahrplan Jan 22 12:23:44 version 1.0.2 with gps-support Jan 22 12:46:43 ok i know what i want from palm out of the next updat Jan 22 12:48:33 me too - VIDEO recording without holding a button down all the time for it Jan 22 12:48:38 and Audio recording without holding a button down all the time for it Jan 22 12:48:52 I mean the Treo had these features in what, October 2004 come ON PALM Jan 22 12:50:10 my 6-year old Treo has more multimedia features than my 9-month old Palm Pre Jan 22 12:50:44 elmaoo Jan 22 12:50:47 true Jan 22 12:50:48 atlanta, but I digress...what did you want out of the next update? Jan 22 12:50:56 but proxy support is a freaking must in the next update Jan 22 12:51:19 if i get on one more wifi network that needs a proxy enabled imma go crazy Jan 22 12:51:50 can't you set it on linux level? Jan 22 12:52:00 don't know exactly Jan 22 12:52:19 hi atlanta in fla.. Jan 22 12:52:51 Bmyers: wsup my man Jan 22 12:53:04 MetaView: yea with export but luna doesnt use it Jan 22 12:53:12 been busy with life.. Jan 22 12:53:19 i tell ya Jan 22 12:53:21 same here Jan 22 12:53:30 havent been around here.. whats new down there? warm up yet? Jan 22 12:53:43 i had to bring my programming docs to work with me so i can have some time to work on it Jan 22 12:53:50 Bmyers: was 83 yesterday Jan 22 12:54:52 atlanta: sucks to be you Jan 22 12:54:54 i'd have to add a few days together to get to 83.. Jan 22 12:55:04 exactly Jan 22 12:55:07 haeffb_pre: not really Jan 22 12:55:14 i love it Jan 22 12:55:18 much better than the cold Jan 22 12:55:54 morn'n haeffb_pre Jan 22 12:56:10 yo Jan 22 12:56:38 how do you like your new look haeffb? Jan 22 12:57:02 which look Jan 22 12:57:02 ? Jan 22 12:57:36 for Myles Jan 22 13:00:05 Hello there! Im trying to change dynamically change the label of a header setup with Ares? i can't find a headerModel or sth. Ho can i do that? Jan 22 13:00:42 hallo metaview Jan 22 13:03:46 any ares gurus here Jan 22 13:03:46 ? Jan 22 13:04:01 not really Jan 22 13:04:43 hi swisstomcat Jan 22 13:10:23 need a bit o work, but like the concept Jan 22 13:11:25 Bmyers: hey go check out sugardave's cookie bakery on 101 Jan 22 13:12:45 i didnt know he was a baker Jan 22 13:14:49 what do you guys think about an free app going paid Jan 22 13:14:56 after it has been completed solidly Jan 22 13:15:37 cookie bakery? Jan 22 13:18:03 atlanta, I think if you want to turn it to a paid app all the more power to you. So many apps are paid now it won't matter if your app goes paid :) Jan 22 13:18:08 that's my perspective anyway Jan 22 13:18:12 atlanta: maybe keep the old version free and the new improved one paid Jan 22 13:18:58 maybe go Paid, but give it to US free :) heh heh Jan 22 13:18:58 swisstomcat: yea thats what i thought about Jan 22 13:19:03 FreeTim: lmfao Jan 22 13:21:02 i have 10,000 downloads Jan 22 13:21:16 so im trying to do the numbers game and see how many would actually buy it Jan 22 13:21:25 ehhh fuck it Jan 22 13:21:34 imma just go with free and hopefully win that developer thing Jan 22 13:21:35 :-) Jan 22 13:22:33 I think you can expect at least 50 to buy it Jan 22 13:22:54 No i'm just messing around. who knows - it's a crap shoot. I still say go for it Jan 22 13:24:05 I think lots of folks try apps when they are free (I do) and possibly soon un-install/ remove, but I won't try them when they are even a dollar unless the description is long and clear and I really need/ want it Jan 22 13:24:23 hallo maruku Jan 22 13:24:36 did you solve yesterdays problem? Jan 22 13:27:34 just going to throw out this question before I have to run out the door.... anyone have experience accessing the history state of a webview? Jan 22 13:27:39 thanks in advance Jan 22 13:28:58 no, sorry Jan 22 13:29:32 :( Jan 22 13:34:15 LiquidReality: you need help with it Jan 22 13:34:15 ? Jan 22 13:36:58 yeah - well, I really just need to be able to know what the best way to know if a webview is showing the first page it loaded... which is why I thought the historystate was the best way to go Jan 22 13:38:25 grrr, need to create a jar-file out of eclipse... where is it? Jan 22 13:38:29 there's probably an easier way than Im going at it from, but Ive been staring at the screen too long now... Jan 22 13:39:26 let's define a start page? Jan 22 13:39:43 the last page isn't in cache, it needs to reload in any case Jan 22 13:41:38 there are a couple different ways (and sources) of starting urls for the webview, and I need to know if the current is the first to load Jan 22 13:42:46 hm, haven't enough knowledge of the webview Jan 22 13:43:08 thanks anyway though Jan 22 13:47:44 atlanta, what type of app is it? Jan 22 13:48:02 picture tweet Jan 22 13:48:36 jcrawford: picture tweet search it in the app catalog Jan 22 13:49:04 doing now Jan 22 13:51:51 atlanta, nice app but what sets it apart from say tweed? Jan 22 13:54:17 swisstomcat: how to upgrae to 1.0.2 of fahrplan? Jan 22 13:54:34 if i start preware, i see no fahrplan update.. still have 1.0.1 Jan 22 13:55:58 hrmm Jan 22 13:56:13 i've uploaded it Jan 22 13:57:54 go to preware - list of everything and search for zvv Jan 22 13:58:44 it will show 1.0.2 Jan 22 13:59:02 have to see why it says "last updated: jan 4" on precentral Jan 22 13:59:15 jä so.. but SBB fahrplan is sti,, 1.0.1 Jan 22 13:59:53 yes Jan 22 14:00:02 sbb fahrplan doesn't work on orange Jan 22 14:00:07 so.. when will gps be available in sbb fahrplan? :) Jan 22 14:00:21 zvv fahrplan knows every station too Jan 22 14:00:28 have you still same problem in sb fahrplan from orange network? paying sbb mobile? Jan 22 14:00:31 yeah Jan 22 14:00:38 did not hear back from orange Jan 22 14:00:48 hm.. bad guys.. grrr Jan 22 14:00:58 guess i could update sbb fahrplan too with gps support Jan 22 14:00:58 so i can use zvv everywhere? Jan 22 14:01:06 yeah, you should be able to Jan 22 14:01:11 ok.. wil test.. Jan 22 14:01:14 great Jan 22 14:02:02 i will probably merge zvv fahrplan and sbb fahrplan into fahrplan CH at some point Jan 22 14:02:05 i'm on finishing a customer web project.. after that i will build a funambol webos sync client.. i will contact you swisstomcat.. think i need some help then Jan 22 14:02:19 sure Jan 22 14:02:24 where do you work? Jan 22 14:03:25 9602 :) Jan 22 14:04:15 will send you an email with my address.. Jan 22 14:06:12 noaXess: schöner ort :) Jan 22 14:06:29 how to alter JAVA_HOME env on windows? Jan 22 14:06:47 alter the PATH should work Jan 22 14:06:49 can't find it in the cmd line: %JAVA_HOME% Jan 22 14:07:11 path?, ok Jan 22 14:07:30 java -version did not work on the command line Jan 22 14:07:41 so i had to add the java location to the path Jan 22 14:07:49 (win7 x64) Jan 22 14:08:09 java -version works for me Jan 22 14:08:14 oh Jan 22 14:08:20 but it is the jre Jan 22 14:08:28 aha Jan 22 14:08:31 I need JAVA_HOME to point to the jdk dir Jan 22 14:08:35 so you have the jre and the jdk Jan 22 14:08:47 yes Jan 22 14:09:30 metaView: Add this as environment variable, in the System area Jan 22 14:09:45 JAVA_HOME=C:\some\path\to\the\jdk Jan 22 14:09:47 ok Jan 22 14:10:13 btw, if I write which java it says:/cygdrive/c/WINDOWS/system32/java Jan 22 14:13:57 now it looks much better Jan 22 14:15:12 KewL :) Jan 22 14:25:16 metaview: i've tested the latest wikay but i don't see the titles Jan 22 14:29:02 wow... just rendering 6 jobs at same time ind full hd.. Jan 22 14:29:49 noaXess: bot-sentry? Jan 22 14:30:27 swisstomcat: in skype i saw arequest.. think it you :) Jan 22 14:30:34 pidgin an bot-sentry yes.. Jan 22 14:31:23 noaXess: yeah, mleutw is me Jan 22 14:33:14 swisstomcat: have you tried adding me in icq? Jan 22 14:33:25 no, i don't use icq Jan 22 14:42:06 goingto make a MapTool update Jan 22 14:44:17 MetaView: are you creater of maptool? Jan 22 14:44:28 Mapping Tool? Jan 22 14:46:10 yes Jan 22 14:47:43 http://metaviewsoft.de/wordpress/?p=331 Jan 22 14:49:54 updated on PreCentral.net Jan 22 15:52:36 morning all Jan 22 15:52:50 hi jenp Jan 22 15:53:09 hi Bmyers Jan 22 15:53:31 hows today treating you? TGIF? Jan 22 15:53:51 not only that but it's my off friday... Jan 22 15:53:52 morning Jan 22 15:53:58 sweet.. Jan 22 15:53:59 trying to wake up...hi swisstomcat Jan 22 15:54:11 * swisstomcat hands jen a strong coffee Jan 22 15:54:18 i never get a day off. my boss is a jerk Jan 22 15:54:31 aren't you your own boss? Jan 22 15:54:34 yes Jan 22 15:54:37 hi Rick-home! Jan 22 15:54:43 then you're right he is a jerk...LOL Jan 22 15:54:49 he is.. totally Jan 22 15:54:53 hehe Jan 22 15:54:55 i hate him.. Jan 22 15:55:07 he pays ok tho.. so i put up with it.. Jan 22 15:55:22 plus i get to go to work in my pj's Jan 22 15:55:25 probably a good plan...he knows where you sleep Jan 22 15:57:57 he sleeps with my wife.. Jan 22 15:58:08 bastard! Jan 22 15:58:19 and you let him get away with that.... Jan 22 15:58:19 but again. the pay is ok so i put up with it.. Jan 22 15:58:25 lol Jan 22 15:59:08 doing any more work on haeffb's app? Jan 22 16:00:18 no i'm looking at an app Joshua's working over for a developer...then I really need to finish mine... Jan 22 16:00:28 notice...mine was last...procastinating... Jan 22 16:00:44 morning Jan 22 16:01:09 morning codeslaw Jan 22 16:01:42 anyone know how an app update works on precentral? Jan 22 16:02:04 i've uploaded the new version but the "last updated" has not changed Jan 22 16:02:08 haven't uploaded to precentral Jan 22 16:02:10 does it need a moderator review? Jan 22 16:06:13 swisstomcat, you need to set it to "needs moderator review" or whatever that option is called Jan 22 16:06:40 then the mod will eventually change the last update date Jan 22 16:06:43 jaycanuck: thanks Jan 22 16:07:03 i can upload the update and change the description Jan 22 16:07:06 without review Jan 22 16:16:08 swisstomcat: it seems: just edit and upload the new version -> no appeareance in updated app, Moderator approve... Updated app Jan 22 16:16:30 allright Jan 22 16:16:34 thanks metaview Jan 22 16:16:52 metaview: i've tested the latest wikay and i didn't see the titles Jan 22 16:16:52 I see, JayCanuck was faster... Jan 22 16:16:59 what? Jan 22 16:17:03 No titles? Jan 22 16:17:10 in english? Jan 22 16:17:17 nope Jan 22 16:17:25 unless i've got the wrong version Jan 22 16:17:34 http://developer.palm.com/webChannel/index.php?packageid=de.metaviewsoft.wikay Jan 22 16:17:42 I'll send you the latest again Jan 22 16:18:04 ok, i'll check Jan 22 16:25:11 metaview: had to delete and reinstall wikay .. now i see the titles Jan 22 16:27:15 much better that way, metaview Jan 22 16:30:06 fine Jan 22 16:30:24 see the transition, try flick Jan 22 16:31:27 oh, nice Jan 22 16:32:03 is is the same font as on wikipedia? Jan 22 16:34:52 well, I'm not sure, the CSS isn't loaded, that's why it's much faster Jan 22 16:35:59 if you follow a link, the browser opens Jan 22 16:36:05 i can't close that one afterwards Jan 22 16:36:23 at least in the emulator Jan 22 16:36:26 can't close the browser? Jan 22 16:36:31 Pos1? Jan 22 16:36:35 ESC just reloads Jan 22 16:36:35 or Home Jan 22 16:36:45 oh Jan 22 16:36:46 ESC is back gesture Jan 22 16:36:49 wrong button then Jan 22 16:36:52 Home is the button Jan 22 16:36:57 allright Jan 22 16:37:14 hey, speaking of the emulator, is there any way to tell if your app is being run on an emulator vs the real deal? Jan 22 16:38:20 hm, some kind of HW ide? Jan 22 16:38:28 have you checked the API? Jan 22 16:40:09 swisstomcat: the 2,5 GB is on your local drive? So, I better use the manual to create the SB2 env? Jan 22 16:51:14 metaview: yeah, on my local drive .. why? Jan 22 16:52:06 my upload rate might be a problem Jan 22 16:52:47 digitalpowers: yes, there is...hang on a second Jan 22 16:54:31 digitalpowers: check Mojo.Environment.DeviceInfo.modelName or .modelNameAscii Jan 22 16:54:38 if it says 'Device' it's the emulator Jan 22 16:54:46 otherwise it says Pre or Pixi Jan 22 16:54:54 sugardave: thanks your the man Jan 22 16:54:57 np Jan 22 16:56:32 Morning folks Jan 22 16:56:59 morning lone star Jan 22 16:58:22 howdy JenP - Jan 22 16:58:31 morning Jan 22 16:58:38 anyone ever use interrogateClicks with a webView, only to have your reload commandMenu button stop functioning? Jan 22 16:59:12 JenP: do you design? Jan 22 17:00:02 my bf's a graphic designer, i'm a interactive courseware specialist Jan 22 17:00:07 so yes Jan 22 17:00:36 do know what type of art this is: http://www.getpersonas.com/en-US/persona/67864 Jan 22 17:01:43 no i'd have to ask Joshua. but it has a manga feel Jan 22 17:01:59 does that style have a name? is that made with illustrator? Jan 22 17:02:37 I'd say a combination of illustrator and photoshop Jan 22 17:03:27 Joshua would be the person to ask. I'm more CSS Jan 22 17:03:29 ok, cool - like that type of art, but not sure how to search for it, other than "abstract" Jan 22 17:04:02 it is not important.. just wondering for future designs Jan 22 17:04:34 no worries...it's the kind of stuff I see around his work area. So I imagine he'd know Jan 22 17:05:07 swisstomcat: just downloading a ubuntu image Jan 22 17:06:30 MetaView: the other day downloaded the wrong Ubuntu image.... amd64 instead of x86... waste of time... Jan 22 17:06:44 but finally got it running Jan 22 17:07:16 thanks JenP, back to news releases Jan 22 17:11:16 what do you guys think the plan for file IO is in webos? something palm has in the works? Jan 22 17:14:47 codeslaw: I haven't seen the plan Jan 22 17:14:53 or heard about one :( Jan 22 17:14:59 hey chuq Jan 22 17:15:01 hopefully we will get it at some point Jan 22 17:15:32 sugardave: hopefully... it's a brick wall standing infront of my paid app Jan 22 17:15:32 morning Chuq Jan 22 17:16:49 codeslaw: cloud cloud cloud Jan 22 17:17:30 ya i've been working on a secondary solution Jan 22 17:18:07 though, the iron fence right behind that brick wall is canvas -> getDataURL Jan 22 17:19:46 it seems weird to me that it isn't implemented... that data exists, as it is being displayed. why won't they just give us that raw data, so that we could manipulate/export etc Jan 22 18:24:24 This case thing is going to drive me bananas. Jan 22 18:27:10 How many Pre owners have gotten the $0.02 Amazon Case, and feel it is reasonable? Jan 22 18:34:36 everytime i join this channel i have to identify. didn'member:t do that before Jan 22 18:42:37 rasstar competant irc clients will auto-identify for you. Jan 22 18:43:19 i am on a mac and colloquy sucks Jan 22 18:43:42 Hey all Jan 22 18:44:09 I've been unable to get into the forums at the early access site. Anyone know if it's still there? Jan 22 18:46:01 hmmm...I think I got the Synchronizer to work, though log messages appear to be out of order and make you think it ISN'T working Jan 22 18:46:25 hey sugardave Jan 22 18:46:32 Bmyers: back from the void! Jan 22 18:46:41 i know.. void of real work.. Jan 22 18:46:46 that void.. Jan 22 18:46:56 yeah, it blows Jan 22 18:46:59 whats this about cookie cutter? Jan 22 18:47:11 u got some new wizbang stuff on 101? Jan 22 18:47:20 yeah, got the cookie bakery example Jan 22 18:47:28 and I put up my db helpers last night Jan 22 18:47:51 couldnt you have done that way back before I wrote my own? Jan 22 18:47:52 So yeah... Before I go bananas... Can anyone tell me whats the best (Function and protection) case for the Pre. Jan 22 18:48:00 Bmyers: hehe, sorry :D Jan 22 18:48:01 it would have been a real time saver for me.. Jan 22 18:48:33 I was still feeling it out with my own code Jan 22 18:48:46 had to be done.. nice work.. Jan 22 18:48:49 but I'm STOKED about synchronizing dbTable creates Jan 22 18:48:51 gracias Jan 22 18:49:05 a great many ppl will get use of that.. Jan 22 18:49:37 yeah, going to test with my new app...make sure they all get created, then will update the helpers to put a synchronize example in place Jan 22 18:50:04 N3O9Pr: I don't have a protective case for mine Jan 22 18:50:29 sugardave: Aye. Thank you for at least responding though =P Jan 22 18:50:34 been loving my touchstone Jan 22 18:50:57 I have a Phantom Skin on mine. Jan 22 18:51:29 at least u get a nonslip back with the touchstone Jan 22 18:51:31 They don't really protect against falls though, do they? Jan 22 18:51:52 I make sure I only drop it on carpet. ;) Jan 22 18:51:59 Bmyers: Have you had any regrets with the touchstone, or the back, or the package? Jan 22 18:52:23 N3O9Pr: NO regrets with touchstone. Jan 22 18:52:33 JasonLP: I am pretty careful with my stuff, but sometimes things happen, and I really want to take care of this phone... Especially because it seems alot more delicate then most devices I had Jan 22 18:52:43 my pre is naked. Jan 22 18:52:48 poor little thing Jan 22 18:52:51 N309r: i wasnt sure i'd like it but would never go back.. Jan 22 18:53:07 Bmyers: Heard... Thank you. Jan 22 18:53:19 JenP: ping Jan 22 18:53:24 mucking with the stupid usb hatch to carge is a PITA Jan 22 18:53:30 What about maybe just knock off matte finish backs for the pre, anyone have any luck with those? Jan 22 18:53:30 (charge) Jan 22 18:53:35 hi haeffb Jan 22 18:54:01 I'm liking the theme. Do you mind if I take what you've done and continue with some more mods? Jan 22 18:54:19 i expect you to Jan 22 18:54:27 I could probably get by with a shield and a matte back I suppose... But I was really trying to figure out why it seems the same cases are sold for $0.02, 8, 10, 14, 20. They all look like the same exact case Jan 22 18:54:38 cool. Do you mind if I add you to the "credits" section in my help scene? Jan 22 18:55:00 um..can you add Sinacism Graphics instead Jan 22 18:55:09 yes I can Jan 22 18:55:11 I can send you contact info Jan 22 18:55:54 okey dokey - I will add "Sinacism Graphics" with a link to...whatever you give me. Jan 22 18:56:10 sounds good Jan 22 18:58:41 Btw. what's the licence of the palm news feed app? The example from the book? Haven't seen anything written, but there seems several apps using almost exactly the code base. Jan 22 18:59:08 MetaView: "in the wild...nothing can be done" Jan 22 18:59:27 Rick_Work: ping Jan 22 18:59:27 * haeffb_pre has gone mobile... Jan 22 19:00:48 sugardave: they are on the AppCatalog Jan 22 19:01:05 !ping chuqui Jan 22 19:01:07 MetaView: I meant that you can probably assume open source...now Jan 22 19:01:37 I think the intent was to use that app as a basis for your own to get up to speed quickly Jan 22 19:01:37 Palm could still start an reclaim there compyright Jan 22 19:01:45 ok Jan 22 19:01:47 but, I'm not a Palm rep, so better check Jan 22 19:01:59 that's why I would like to ask chuqui Jan 22 19:02:05 good plan :D Jan 22 19:02:11 but he is probasbly out, birding Jan 22 19:02:23 well, is birding bird watching? Jan 22 19:02:54 yeah Jan 22 19:03:27 as opposed to bird-dogging, which is...well, that's not really appropriate content for this channel ;) Jan 22 19:04:06 so i shouldn't google image search that, here at work? Jan 22 19:04:12 no, it's pecking gravel from parking lots Jan 22 19:04:14 ok, well, if you would translate birding into German, you would get this stuff with Bird and Dog, as you described Jan 22 19:04:15 probably not ;) Jan 22 19:05:22 ok, kids need to go to bed, bbl Jan 22 19:05:36 night night Jan 22 19:06:26 I still can't get over all these people going to bed in the afternoon... Jan 22 19:06:40 europeans apparenlty have no work ethic Jan 22 19:07:10 haeffb when I lived in italy I always forgot about that...was so frustrating Jan 22 19:07:23 hey, what's a PSD file? Jan 22 19:07:28 photoshop? Jan 22 19:07:32 photoshop Jan 22 19:07:32 Yeah Jan 22 19:07:32 yeah, haeffb Jan 22 19:07:44 i included it so you can copy the layer styles Jan 22 19:07:57 JenP: Thank you! Jan 22 19:08:22 ? N309Pr what did i do? Jan 22 19:08:40 JenP: You included a PSD, Why can't everyone just do that?! Jan 22 19:08:48 will photoshop elements open it? Jan 22 19:09:00 oh...because it puts girls like me out of work Jan 22 19:09:11 if all designers included the psd you'd never come back to us Jan 22 19:09:23 idk haeffb it's worth a try Jan 22 19:09:50 JenP: Thats like saying if tattoo companies provided the ink, I wouldn't go back to my artist Jan 22 19:10:25 good point Jan 22 19:10:36 JenP: Just because I want to alter something, cause I am fussy, does not mean that I wouldn't appreciate quality, and good customer service/relations. Jan 22 19:10:53 JenP: But you have a good point... Some people don't care about that stuff. Jan 22 19:11:18 JenP: Some just take what they want and leave... So I see why you say watch yer back. Jan 22 19:12:32 Alright... I don't wanna keep bothering everyone... But I am trying to make sure I don't make the wrong purchase, either cost or quality wise... If I feel like I NEED a case, Jelly or Hard, and which is best for the pre? Specifics if I can get em' =P Jan 22 19:12:43 and everyone seems to think if it's on google images it's free.... Jan 22 19:13:03 JenP: Lol! I have had so many close arguments with clients before about that... Jan 22 19:13:09 JenP: So glad I am out of it Jan 22 19:13:12 lol Jan 22 19:13:29 yawn... someone rang? Jan 22 19:13:58 JenP: "But its what I want... I want it exactly like that, don't change it" 'Sir... You can't use that... Its a corporate logo for another company' "So... It matches my company... I want it!" Jan 22 19:14:33 oh yeah..."well you put it on the internet so you had to expect people would use it" Jan 22 19:15:33 JenP: 'Sir... I'll send you a flash sheet so you can choo-' "I dont want a flash sheet... I want that! That picture! Are you saying you can't provide the custom service you offered!?" 'No sir, copying a picture off the internet is not custom service... It's stealling... I know some friends that are skilled in that, would you like their numbers?' Jan 22 19:15:37 reminds me of "How a Web Design Goes Straight to Hell" http://bit.ly/6XCosG Jan 22 19:15:44 Lol Jan 22 19:16:22 yup Jan 22 19:16:53 I wanna start crackin' dis bad boy, but I need a case... If anyone ever saw my desk, they would realize the horrors a device has to go through when I start working. Jan 22 19:17:28 ...My laptop alone has drank more beer then a college frat boy on a binge Jan 22 19:17:29 i dont use a case...just the little cover it came with Jan 22 19:17:38 and it's always on the touchstone on my desk... Jan 22 19:18:56 JenP: Aye, but not only the desk, I am always finding my self working in unhospitiable situations, like under a 1996 grease bucket changing hoses or something. Jan 22 19:19:53 I should just get any case, I'm probably too fusy anyway. ~Sigh~ Jan 22 19:20:32 Considering I could barely afford the phone, I just want 'er to be safe-er. Jan 22 19:20:34 lol Jan 22 19:23:20 Customer reviews don't help either.. "Theres a huge bump on the back from the molding process..." No... Thats for a belt clip.. What color is the sky where you come from? Jan 22 19:23:52 I swear I would go even more insane if it werent for the level of intelligence that people on IRC -tend- to posess. Jan 22 19:24:08 Sheesh... I'll bring my babbles somewhere else... Thanks for your time guys. Jan 22 19:24:26 bummer...my magic synchronizer doesn't work with an app assistant...yet Jan 22 19:24:44 sugardave: use more magic. Jan 22 19:27:43 I think it's because in my stage asst ver, I have a function that calls pushScene as the syncCallback...but with the app assistant, it's all in the handleLaunch...and I don't think I can call this.handleLaunch from the syncCallback. It's already happened Jan 22 19:30:26 sugardave: can you move whatever you want from handleLaunch to...whatever callback function you want? Jan 22 19:30:39 that's what I'm trying to wrap my brain around atm Jan 22 19:31:11 there's nothing magic about createStage...being in handleLaunch. Jan 22 19:31:23 handleLaunch can call you DB create, it's callback can createStage. Jan 22 19:32:37 or set noWindow, stick it in your app assistant and explicitly create the stage/scene yourself Jan 22 19:33:15 sugardave: the synchronizer works otherwise though? Jan 22 19:33:27 with the 10+ DB callbacks? Jan 22 19:33:40 jfelectron: he already has it in app assistant, I think. Jan 22 19:33:48 jfelectron: not yet...I got it working with 2 in my stage asst version Jan 22 19:34:01 ahh...well it *should* scale Jan 22 19:34:12 yeah, just got to get the launch stuff correct Jan 22 19:34:37 I'm going to take the code block from haeffb's 'scenario 1' and move it into another function Jan 22 19:34:46 is there a limitation on how long webOS will let an app run w/o a stage? Jan 22 19:34:48 and call that as the syncCallback and see what happens Jan 22 19:34:52 I setup and connect to DB in app assistant, so its ready to go when I start pushing stages and scenes Jan 22 19:35:32 jfelectron: me, too...but my table creates also go into a 'schema' object, which is empty until the table create is successful...so when my scene first loads, it's empty Jan 22 19:35:49 haeffb: interesting....don't see why. you could have an entirely windowless app that just produces the occasional dashboard or notification Jan 22 19:35:54 and I want to use this to make sure my schema object is ready to rock when the scene loads Jan 22 19:36:00 sugardave: I see Jan 22 19:36:13 but you'd have a dashboard stage in that scenario, tho. Jan 22 19:37:12 true...but it might not be created for a long time Jan 22 19:37:17 sugardave: I think it should work. good luck. Jan 22 19:37:36 * haeffb_gon4Avata going to the movies. Jan 22 19:37:38 how about an entirely windowless app that just does cross-app launches in response to something Jan 22 19:38:00 dude...I'm seeing the IMAX 3D Ava tommorow Jan 22 19:38:23 jfelectron: don't know, was just asking. Jan 22 19:38:44 yeah, don't know either....would seem like a silly timeout Jan 22 19:43:33 style matters = wicked sick awsome Jan 22 19:44:20 re Jan 22 19:46:26 chuqui? Jan 22 19:46:52 I wanted to ask you aboutthe licence of Palm's News-RSS reader Jan 22 19:46:57 yo Jan 22 19:47:31 yo? Jan 22 19:47:39 I'm here... Jan 22 19:47:58 and? what about the licence? Haven't read anything in the book Jan 22 19:48:06 about it, I mean Jan 22 19:48:49 it seems ppl use it already. Jan 22 19:50:59 Mitch's book? that code can be re-used. Jan 22 19:51:06 hey, it's @adora! Jan 22 19:51:09 ok Jan 22 19:51:25 thx Jan 22 19:51:29 hey, it's me! Jan 22 19:51:39 ok Jan 22 19:51:54 (chuqui bows down and kisses the feet of the master) Jan 22 19:52:10 wtf? Jan 22 19:52:16 dork =] Jan 22 19:54:09 Anyone know if the forums at the early access site are still available? Jan 22 19:55:12 anyone know how i would go about rounding a divs corners that has an image with a transparent background that i am then setting the background color of? (mouth full) Jan 22 20:17:24 digitalpowers: http://articles.sitepoint.com/article/css-round-corners-boxes-curves ? Jan 22 20:20:12 digitalpowers: http://www.schillmania.com/projects/dialog2/ Jan 22 20:20:15 That might help as well Jan 22 20:24:10 digitalpowers: don't know how it behaves recently, but I could NEVER get rounded corners to work if specifying a background color and/or image Jan 22 20:24:17 work perfectly without it Jan 22 20:24:32 back in 1.3.0 and 1.3.1 Jan 22 20:45:07 arg....this sucks Jan 22 20:45:34 think what I will do is write up what I have in the stage assistant way, and let the geniuses figure out how to do it with an app asst Jan 22 20:48:03 suagardave: what are you workin on? Jan 22 20:49:09 Mojo.Function.Synchronizer Jan 22 20:49:18 and synching db table creates Jan 22 20:50:15 sugardave: you moved the createStage... to a new function? Jan 22 20:50:17 yeah, but it didn't help...it still just blows through and my object is empty Jan 22 20:50:21 chuqui: Adora: Greetings! Jan 22 20:50:33 plus, I had to do weird shit...say this.Mojo.Controller.blahblah Jan 22 20:51:33 synchronizer for... wrapping async functionality? Jan 22 20:51:41 codeslaw: yep Jan 22 20:51:50 did you test calling it from handleLaunch? Jan 22 20:51:53 right on, i can see people loving that Jan 22 20:52:15 haeffb_pre: yeah, I've tried/failed multiple ways Jan 22 20:52:21 my day job is flash/flex, i'm so used to writing asynch code i almost feel more comfortable with it Jan 22 20:52:28 sugardave: does Mojo.Function.Synchronize actually work? Jan 22 20:52:34 I bet if I get a good example of how to do it in a stage asst, then someone else can do the heavy lifting Jan 22 20:52:42 kmudrick: I think so...at least in my single stage app Jan 22 20:52:50 i.e. no app controller Jan 22 20:52:55 er assistant Jan 22 20:53:03 yah, ok Jan 22 20:53:06 ah Jan 22 20:54:56 codeslaw: it doesn't bother me, except in this case I want to make a handful of db tables and I want to update my schema object which represents the db...and I want it to be valid when the scene loads Jan 22 21:00:11 well crap...I just went back to my test and it appears as if it isn't working now...wtf? Jan 22 21:03:58 ah...must have a different wrapper var for each one...hmmm... Jan 22 21:04:16 but I was using anon funcs a second ago, that should have worked Jan 22 21:05:29 sugardave: that makes sense Jan 22 21:09:22 codeslaw: okay, check this. if I have myAwesomeTableAddFunction(table1, this.sync.wrap(function() {};)); Jan 22 21:09:30 and the same thing with table2 Jan 22 21:09:31 it works great Jan 22 21:09:43 ok Jan 22 21:09:46 if I happen to put a debugString('ADDED TABLE') in the anon func Jan 22 21:09:51 for both of them Jan 22 21:09:53 it doesn't work Jan 22 21:10:03 only the first one Jan 22 21:10:21 eerrr Jan 22 21:10:24 yeah Jan 22 21:10:27 kinda f-ed up Jan 22 21:10:51 whats your debugString function do? Jan 22 21:10:53 log? Jan 22 21:11:04 changing the string of the second one (adding 2 to the end), and it workd Jan 22 21:11:06 works Jan 22 21:11:12 debugString just does console.log Jan 22 21:12:00 * sugardave thinks the SYnchronizer is buggy. Jan 22 21:12:24 Maybe it's some weird javascript optimization Jan 22 21:12:35 log doesn't do any debouncing, right? Jan 22 21:12:57 uh.... Jan 22 21:13:01 I don;t know :D Jan 22 21:14:00 it might, especially since it isn't necessarily intended for debugging Jan 22 21:14:19 which could explain the fix involving using different strings Jan 22 21:18:29 var test = function() {debugString('Added table');}; var testWrap = test; var testWrap2 = test; addTableFunc(table1, testWrap); addTableFunc(table2, testWrap2); Jan 22 21:18:32 this is perfect Jan 22 21:18:39 very strange to me Jan 22 21:19:02 but if you save testWrap2 = testWrap, failure Jan 22 21:19:50 maybe this is why I couldn't get it to work in my app asst...I need to have unique vars for each one Jan 22 21:21:06 ping metaview Jan 22 21:28:11 sugardave: makes sense....the wrap objects need to be unique Jan 22 21:28:39 otherwise how would the interpreter figure out when the two returned? Jan 22 21:28:41 damn, thought I had it...got one of my 10 to be in the object, but now it's not working Jan 22 21:29:00 jfelectron: yeah, good point...but should two anon funcs be different, even if they have the same code? Jan 22 21:29:18 hmmm yeah they should be Jan 22 21:29:36 they get a unique reference in the heap Jan 22 21:29:54 okay, time for a break....will hit it again later Jan 22 21:37:27 is it possible to put a custom image in a palm-page-header ? Jan 22 21:40:31 maik: put a div inside the page-header and set its z-index to be like 200000 Jan 22 21:41:00 oh i had tried the div inside thinking logically, didn't realize there was a z-order at work Jan 22 21:41:39 check global.css...I think the header has a high z-index so it floats above the content Jan 22 21:41:41 is that in style or just
oh ok Jan 22 21:41:56 that's a style Jan 22 21:44:00 hi there Jan 22 21:44:06 hi Jan 22 21:44:52 swiss I could read your message this noon but I connected with my phone and it didn´t work fine Jan 22 21:45:26 which one was it? Jan 22 21:45:47 finally I´ve been able to fix the database issue but i'm still learning more things hehe Jan 22 21:46:04 learning by doing is the best Jan 22 21:46:12 u asked me if I could fix my database problem Jan 22 21:46:25 oh, i remember now Jan 22 21:46:33 hehe Jan 22 21:47:58 devs in the early access program might want to check the drop box. Jan 22 21:49:30 chuqui: is there a timetable on Mojo messaging? Jan 22 21:50:03 jfelectron yes. can I discuss it? well... Jan 22 21:50:50 OK, well sort of that....how hard is it to make the case for deployment as part of the closed beta Jan 22 21:50:58 seriously, it's still in a very limited mode, not yet generally available. Jan 22 21:51:42 I wouldn't even call it "closed beta" yet, honestly. But it's more open than "sleeping with the engineer". not by much Jan 22 21:51:54 it would really save battery life if I can remove checking for new content to the server side and just push messages to phones Jan 22 21:52:02 send me email with what you want to do. I'll get you on the list to be notified when it opens up for wider testing Jan 22 21:52:03 remove--->move Jan 22 21:52:17 chuqui: OK will do, thanks! Jan 22 21:52:32 cool. thanks Jan 22 21:55:11 maybe i'm doing it wrong, but palm-page-header doesn't appear to have a z-index Jan 22 21:57:49 maik: yeah....I was confusing it with palm-header...forgot its flat Jan 22 21:58:06 ah Jan 22 21:58:29 how about not nest the div..but creating one outside the header, but still having a a high z-index and position it absolutely so it floats above the palm-header? Jan 22 21:59:03 The only tricky thing will be that you'll have to adjust the height of page-header to that its larger than the height of your image Jan 22 21:59:18 i'll give that a whirl Jan 22 22:04:45 anyone know a tutorial on the Mojo.Timing stuff? and or if it is related to seting up a timer on your app (cause i could just be barking up the wrong tree) Jan 22 22:06:33 nm i just found that i am arking up the wrong tree, any idea how one would go about setting up a timer in general? like i want a function to be called every 20s or something? Jan 22 22:06:43 digitalpowers: setTimeout Jan 22 22:06:49 Mojo.timing is for performance testing Jan 22 22:06:50 er setInterval Jan 22 22:06:51 sorry Jan 22 22:06:59 hi Jan 22 22:07:02 hi Jan 22 22:07:03 the volume of sounds Jan 22 22:07:06 in my apps Jan 22 22:07:08 are low Jan 22 22:07:17 how can I make it higher? Jan 22 22:08:09 edit the sound files? Jan 22 22:08:18 sugardave: as always, your my hero Jan 22 22:08:46 is it possible to find out what was emailed when using the email service? Jan 22 22:08:51 digitalpowers: there are also the prototype function method function.delay Jan 22 22:09:24 digitalpowers: this.monitorId = setInterval(this.progressMonitor, 1000); Jan 22 22:09:35 is an actual interval Jan 22 22:09:40 every 1000 Jan 22 22:09:56 ms Jan 22 22:09:57 digitalpowers: or this.processMonitor.delay(1000) Jan 22 22:10:34 setinternval is better if you need it to be called again and again though Jan 22 22:10:49 clearInterval(this.monitorId); to turn it off Jan 22 22:11:35 crasheed: uhm Jan 22 22:11:56 So I have a question for those with apps in the catalog... Would you consider it over the line to email the people that reviewed your app(s) saying "it doesn't work" and giving 1 stars? (that is IF they put their email address as the reviewer) Jan 22 22:12:47 they can always choose not to answer Jan 22 22:13:04 swisstomcat: very true Jan 22 22:13:06 but the ones actually helping you are probably not the ones giving such reviews Jan 22 22:13:29 I was going to email them asking what the problem was exactly Jan 22 22:13:46 paid app? Jan 22 22:13:47 and then most likely tell them it is a problem with the pre... not the appp....haha Jan 22 22:13:50 no free. Jan 22 22:14:02 i tell them to email me first before posting a review if they have a problem if they already reviewd then too late Jan 22 22:14:03 But 1 star reviews are deadly Jan 22 22:14:14 lol i got 2 0 star reviews Jan 22 22:14:19 but i sitll have 4.5 raiting :D Jan 22 22:14:23 i got many of those first .. then it went up to 3 Jan 22 22:14:25 crasheed: I even put up a review clearly stating: EMAIL ME IF YOU HAVE PROBLEMS Jan 22 22:14:37 lol Jan 22 22:14:47 putting up my email of course Jan 22 22:14:49 you have a help scene with your email Jan 22 22:15:00 yep it is easily accessible Jan 22 22:15:16 can they call the help scene if the say "i doesn't work"? Jan 22 22:15:22 also a person who has a problem with an app is 1000x more likly to write a review Jan 22 22:15:37 swisstomcat: idk what the issue is... so I'm not sure Jan 22 22:15:57 crasheed: yah it sucks eh. Palm REALLY needs to make a way to reply to reviews Jan 22 22:16:03 ^ agreed Jan 22 22:16:05 that would notify the reviewer Jan 22 22:16:34 like one guy said it didn't work rated 0 stars and i'm pretty sure he simply had his pre on silent mode Jan 22 22:17:02 crasheed: yikes... Jan 22 22:18:36 my favorite was a guy who rated 0 stars and the review said "WTF DO I NEED THIS FOR" Jan 22 22:18:37 i guess you have to find out what happens if you write them Jan 22 22:18:43 and i'm just like why did u buy it then o.O Jan 22 22:18:49 heh Jan 22 22:19:54 pretty sure chuq said no way he will ever let us reply to reviews (on the forums) Jan 22 22:20:39 what's the idea then when you want to reply to a review? Jan 22 22:21:36 kmudrick: why? Jan 22 22:22:08 swisstomcat: you can ask them what the problem OR if they are specific enough you could tell them how to fix their problem Jan 22 22:22:43 Tibfib: what do you mean why? Jan 22 22:22:55 if you can't reply to a review then you have to write them directly Jan 22 22:23:00 not other way, right? Jan 22 22:23:07 kmudrick: do you know chuq's reasons? Jan 22 22:23:24 swisstomcat: well you don't always know their email address Jan 22 22:23:35 Tibfib: forget, i'm sure he can chime in here, or check out the pdc forum i think Jan 22 22:23:47 . Jan 22 22:24:00 did you finish your vm, metaview? Jan 22 22:24:08 think there was potential for some small percentage of devs being jackasses and threatening Jan 22 22:24:29 n Jan 22 22:24:33 What's the word on early access to PDK? Jan 22 22:24:33 kmudrick: if devs are then remove their app from the catalog Jan 22 22:24:39 o Jan 22 22:25:14 Tibfib: hey i'd love to be able to reply to people who have problems too Jan 22 22:25:48 jasonlp: do you know the webos internals pdk? Jan 22 22:26:08 If devs are jerks in their replies then no one will buy from them... Jan 22 22:27:18 oh noes. bad karma for me. I was helping someone in here yesterday and I said I had to pop out to do something and would be right back. Dog got sick, had to take care of him, never came back... Jan 22 22:27:51 swisstomcat: No—I looked briefly at it, but was hoping for the official pdk. Jan 22 22:28:09 I don't remember who it was, so if I said I would help you last night, please remind me. Jan 22 22:28:29 there's a log, fiftycal Jan 22 22:28:37 ah yes... good call. Jan 22 22:32:09 . Jan 22 22:33:57 OK, I must be on crack... nothing in the logs. Jan 22 22:33:57 fiftycal: you said you'd send me fifty grand. no need to check the logs Jan 22 22:34:25 haeffb_pre: oh _that_ was it! Now I remember. Wire to Lagos or Abuja? Jan 22 22:35:23 hehe Jan 22 22:35:37 fiftycal: which logs did you check? Jan 22 22:35:43 the "official" ones? Jan 22 22:35:56 22nd and 21st. the ones in the topic. Jan 22 22:36:07 maybe lslu2-log was on vacation Jan 22 22:36:15 nslu2-log Jan 22 22:37:25 Is there any kind of helpful documentation about the webos internals PDK for those that do not speak native Ubuntu? Jan 22 22:37:59 haeffb_pre you around to work on repeat with me? Jan 22 22:38:31 sry, getting ready to see Avatar Jan 22 22:38:49 kk tell me if it's good Jan 22 22:39:33 is it possible to find out what was emailed when using the email service? Jan 22 22:40:14 rere Jan 22 22:40:23 jasonlp: you coul talk to the developers on #webos-internals Jan 22 22:40:24 hi swisstomcat Jan 22 22:40:32 rehi Jan 22 22:40:36 now I go to try my image Jan 22 22:40:42 cool Jan 22 22:40:42 Cool, will do. Thx Jan 22 22:40:49 i hope you got the 32bit one Jan 22 22:41:03 I took care , I believe Jan 22 22:41:07 anyone know if there is a parameter that i can pass to startTracking (for the gps) that says how often i want updates? i am hoping to decrease battery drain a little Jan 22 22:41:39 startTracking sends update on each move Jan 22 22:42:01 so if it were moderately accurate it wouldnt constantly update, that is good to know Jan 22 22:42:05 but it is only neccessary to start the tracking, I use a timer for the tracking Jan 22 22:42:52 if you use moderate accuracy you get GSM or stuff fixings, it might not what you want Jan 22 22:43:40 is moderately accurate a setting? i was just using that as in saying, if you have decent gps coverage Jan 22 22:44:55 I'm in a big town, I usually have good GPS coverage, but when I use 2? as accuracy, I get more or less only GSM fixes Jan 22 22:45:04 GSM -> next cell tower Jan 22 22:45:17 or WiFi -> next Wifi access point Jan 22 22:45:28 which google knows about Jan 22 22:45:31 i see what you are saying, the startTracking function doesnt support an accuracy setting Jan 22 22:45:50 startTracking brings up the GPS Jan 22 22:46:13 but you have also the single location function, where you can specify an accuracy Jan 22 22:46:35 oh Jan 22 22:46:43 that was a question that i was asking myself Jan 22 22:46:44 I call startTracking and ignore its output and cal my own timer with a single fix Jan 22 22:46:46 yeah i see that, can you tell how accurate it is when you are using startTracking? i dont see an accuracy feild, well beyond the haccuracy and vaccuracy Jan 22 22:46:57 how can i 1) set accuracy 2) get the accuracy Jan 22 22:47:10 i am on the same page as you swisstomcat Jan 22 22:47:14 accuracy is returned as error Jan 22 22:47:24 i just need a single fix Jan 22 22:47:33 Well it's difficult Jan 22 22:47:36 but i want to know how accurate it is (e.g gps or cell tower) Jan 22 22:47:58 you can use best accuracy and longest time, but it will just slow down you Jan 22 22:48:11 yeah Jan 22 22:48:17 30s is already long enough Jan 22 22:48:21 cell-tower is >=150m in Berlin, GPS is <50m Jan 22 22:49:10 in MapTool I stzart the stratTracking function and call getLocation(?) in a periodical intervall Jan 22 22:49:37 horz. error Jan 22 22:49:47 is that the suggested method of use? i would have assumed you just startTracking and use the data it returns Jan 22 22:50:21 hmm Jan 22 22:50:29 no, I don't use the values it returns Jan 22 22:50:45 I guess, Palm wasn't thinking of a GPS tracker Jan 22 22:50:58 could i use starttracking instead and display the horizontal error Jan 22 22:51:07 you could, yes Jan 22 22:51:29 but I don't know if it is supplied in startTracking Jan 22 22:51:37 get the location after a timeout or after the error is under a certrain threshold Jan 22 22:52:01 i will probably have to start using the horizontal and vertical error, then if i am getting bad fixes go grab the fix accuratly with getCurrentPossition Jan 22 22:53:02 i use getCurrentPosition now Jan 22 22:53:40 i have been using just startTrackings data but i have noticed that it peridically jumps off to a random location (Probably the nearest tower) Jan 22 22:53:40 I'm not very lucky with the way the location is handled in WebOS Jan 22 22:55:56 guess i have to play around a bit Jan 22 22:56:05 with accuracy and responsetime Jan 22 22:56:19 i want high accuracy and fast responsetime :) Jan 22 22:56:26 try it, and tell me your findings Jan 22 22:56:35 that's difficult :) Jan 22 22:56:40 yeah Jan 22 22:56:54 anyone know how to retreive/ change password of profile? Jan 22 22:56:58 palm profile Jan 22 22:57:08 I guess, the GPS is usually off, and only if needed it's switched on Jan 22 22:57:17 i will try tomorrow, metaview Jan 22 22:57:31 it's needed with high accuracy or when you call startTracking Jan 22 22:58:26 it usually takes 30s Jan 22 22:58:30 for a fix Jan 22 22:58:53 which might be quite long when searching for the next train ride Jan 22 22:59:28 yeah Jan 22 22:59:31 you better use the cell tower and present the user all stations in question Jan 22 22:59:55 or you show the map Jan 22 23:00:08 but then it won't show the closest station Jan 22 23:00:23 you could use MapTool, show a couple of stations and I return to you with the one, the user select Jan 22 23:00:24 on the other hand the closest station is not the fastest connection Jan 22 23:00:37 in any case Jan 22 23:00:43 right Jan 22 23:01:00 yeah, a map could be an idea too Jan 22 23:01:25 just say what you need, MapTool is open to anything :) Jan 22 23:01:45 if i don't care so much about the *closest* station, more about the fastest connection .. so i could use the cell tower Jan 22 23:02:24 does osm have the transit stops like google maps does? Jan 22 23:05:01 they know a lot of stations, but I don't know them, I only work with map tiles, bitmaps: png Jan 22 23:05:49 guess i have to try it Jan 22 23:06:01 because i would need markers on the stations Jan 22 23:06:03 if you give me a list of positions and maybe some label "Station x, time 45min" I could display it and if the user select one, I could call you back Jan 22 23:06:37 It#s like this, atm: Jan 22 23:06:38 name, gcid, lat, lng, icon, url Jan 22 23:06:57 a name, an ID, a position and an url I made out of the ID Jan 22 23:07:12 I could enhance this format, if neccessay Jan 22 23:07:14 ry Jan 22 23:08:12 that could work Jan 22 23:08:22 i have the name and the lat lng Jan 22 23:08:26 for the stations Jan 22 23:09:06 allright Jan 22 23:09:10 after midnight Jan 22 23:09:15 i'll talk to you tomorrow Jan 22 23:09:17 after more testing Jan 22 23:09:23 ok, cu you then Jan 22 23:09:27 nite everyone Jan 22 23:09:32 nte Jan 22 23:09:33 gnight Jan 22 23:13:43 i am once again in need of some light, shed on my dark existance. can anyone shed said light on how i am supposed to access the progress property that exists for a ProgressPill through javascript? when i set it up i do this.model = {progress: .1} and it is set at .1 but i dont know how to update it while i am in my function that needs to report on its progress Jan 22 23:13:53 i think this is all a part of my lack of understanding of models Jan 22 23:16:36 this.model.progress = 0.2 Jan 22 23:17:03 this.controller.changedModel(this.Model, this); Jan 22 23:17:08 like this, I guess Jan 22 23:19:15 ooooh, when i am doign setup widget and saying this.model = {} i am actually creating an object called model that can then be accessed Jan 22 23:19:28 man, that makes sooo much more since Jan 22 23:19:36 model = definition/storage of data structure Jan 22 23:19:49 widget stores a hard reference to teh actual model object Jan 22 23:20:05 mojo keeps track of which models work with which widgets Jan 22 23:20:16 change the model, let mojo know, it changes the widgets Jan 22 23:21:43 and can you tell me again, how do the #{variable} variables relate to the model? sugardave was trying to explain it to me the other day but i couldnt grasp it, perhaps now that i finally get models i can understand Jan 22 23:22:08 um, not sure what you mean Jan 22 23:22:15 fair enough Jan 22 23:22:22 the model is a struct/array Jan 22 23:22:32 you cahnge things and tell it mojo Jan 22 23:22:37 just as in MFC.... Jan 22 23:22:44 oh, oh, Jan 22 23:22:55 g'night, I'm going to sleep Jan 22 23:23:18 this.model = {modelProperty : "A value"} Jan 22 23:23:24 right, and i was under the impression you could put variables like #{variable} in the html and access those through a model somehow, but i didnt really understand it Jan 22 23:23:40 aahh, i don't know about that html notation Jan 22 23:23:43 ups, the toolchain needs some more minutes to download... ok Jan 22 23:23:48 i much prefer to keep any references to data in the JS Jan 22 23:24:25 makes since, i am still quite new to this type of development, i have avoided java in all flavors until now Jan 22 23:25:44 well, just to be pedantic, javascript has almost 0 relation to java Jan 22 23:26:00 i know, but i still dont like it much Jan 22 23:26:19 they are both, imho, the dirty redheded step children of the development world Jan 22 23:26:29 at least they arnt the mistresses kids like vb Jan 22 23:26:30 syntax is KINDA similar in ways, but javascript was only called javascript to make it more popular. javascript is really ECMAScript, which sounds terrible Jan 22 23:26:41 codeslaw: there is one relation: some stupid mind decided to give them similar names... Jan 22 23:27:12 metaview: totally done on purpose, due to the rising popularity of java at the time Jan 22 23:27:56 well, is C# called it because of C or C++? is more related to Java in my opnion Jan 22 23:28:27 C# is a terrible name Jan 22 23:28:58 c plus, c sharp c top of the pop :D Jan 22 23:29:01 c# the # stands for vb the c stands for java, dont ask why Jan 22 23:29:13 it is very similar to java in ways, though i am not very familiar with it. Jan 22 23:29:30 just like ObjC has nothing to do with C Jan 22 23:29:34 or Objects Jan 22 23:29:49 and the language J has nothing to do with anything Jan 22 23:33:01 oooh, and when you setup a function to be a callback doing .bind(this) does that set the function up to share "this"? Jan 22 23:36:53 essentially Jan 22 23:37:27 think of it more as, attaching that function to "this", so it acts as a temporary member function of whatever scope "this" is called in Jan 22 23:37:40 "this" being an object Jan 22 23:38:26 work day is over, headed home.. be back later probbaly Jan 22 23:38:54 CHANINFO webos Jan 22 23:47:40 I already use VB 3.1 and have some machines I can't delete ATM, so How can I run the SDK in 3.1? Jan 22 23:48:03 . Jan 22 23:49:27 what kind of buttons are the ones in the headers in Style Matters ? Jan 22 23:50:24 for example if you go into Lists & Rows -> 3 rows in a list, there is a button in the page-header labeled FW LIB Jan 22 23:50:38 you know what, i'll look at the source :) Jan 22 23:50:44 * maik makes wavy hands Jan 22 23:50:47 you didn't see anything Jan 22 23:51:08 what was that? Jan 22 23:51:25 i'm not sure, i think it was a bird? Jan 22 23:51:36 Or a big bunny rabbit Jan 22 23:51:41 lol Jan 22 23:51:46 yes...that Jan 22 23:52:37 Night folks! Jan 22 23:55:56 Anyone? Jan 23 00:00:22 N3O9Pr: i think there will be issues Jan 23 00:01:06 N3O9Pr: but, i remember seeing some people had workarounds that at least got the vm running under 3.1. don't have links, but the google led me to them, or maybe it was the palm forums Jan 23 00:05:19 kmudrick: Well thank you, at least I have something to think about before deciding to destroy my VMs and hope that 3.0 works at all to begin with. Jan 23 00:08:17 sorry :( i only use VB for webos, so it wasn't a huge deal personally when i realized 3.1 doesn't work so good with it Jan 23 00:08:48 kmudrick: No thats fine... At least you told me that there might be a chance. I appreciate that. Jan 23 01:01:55 i can't get the textfield background to change color, how can I? also it's not updating while I type (it puts the char but I want it to change something while i type) Jan 23 01:07:18 go73nks: are you setting a custom class to the textfield? Jan 23 01:07:26 is this a mojo text widget? Jan 23 01:10:42 sry didn't mean to /m you Jan 23 01:10:54 jfelectron, i have a command, when i clikc on the textfield it updates but typing doesn't Jan 23 01:39:40 go73nks: OK....and how are you trying to set the color? Jan 23 01:39:45 using setStyle? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jan 23 02:59:57 2010