**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jan 23 02:59:57 2010 Jan 23 03:36:59 hi all Jan 23 04:12:51 hrmm anyone here intrested in beta testing the coolest app yet to come to palm pre? Jan 23 04:13:29 crasheed: well if you put it that way ;) Jan 23 04:13:56 :D Jan 23 04:14:06 should be rdy in an hour Jan 23 04:14:14 that sounds good Jan 23 04:14:24 i require an NDA signed in blood thou Jan 23 04:14:49 crasheed: Ah. I'll get that mailed off then. :P Jan 23 04:21:29 coolest app yet to come to the palm pre? Jan 23 04:23:31 WebOS Jan 23 04:23:34 =P Jan 23 04:24:41 Anyone had any luck installing stuff like Nessus, nmap, metasploit... Etc on a WebOS device? Jan 23 04:37:41 hey JenP: Jan 23 04:37:54 how was it? Jan 23 04:38:07 It was good. 3D effects were awesome. Jan 23 04:38:26 story was OK. Very anti-humanity. Jan 23 04:38:29 i really want to see it but josh wont go because of the story line Jan 23 04:38:33 exactly Jan 23 04:38:49 you need to see it in theater. Jan 23 04:39:41 i'll keep pinging him Jan 23 04:40:09 i wish i could get the dialog box to display the dark style Jan 23 04:41:10 I'm really raw when it comes to CSS stuff. Jan 23 04:41:19 did you get your repeat working yet? Jan 23 04:41:30 no...infact nothings working now... Jan 23 04:41:36 soooo frustrated Jan 23 04:41:36 grrrr... Jan 23 04:41:40 lol Jan 23 04:41:42 jinx Jan 23 04:42:03 my explorer.exe is hosed. Jan 23 04:42:13 I gotta reboot. bbiab. Jan 23 04:42:16 kk Jan 23 04:43:37 Hey guys, I am considering buying a Pre. Here are my typical usage trends: I get about 100-150 work emails a day, and about 15-20 personal, I spend 2 hrs browsing the web, and I spend about 2-3 hours on the phone a day (mostly for work). How will the battery keep up? Jan 23 04:44:40 Other than the multi-tasking, can people tell me specific things that they love and hate about the pre? Jan 23 04:45:18 i love how all my contacts update at once...face book, linked in, exchange server, google...etc Jan 23 04:45:40 How is the exchange side (email+calendar is very important to me) Jan 23 04:45:44 i'm always up to date with the right info Jan 23 04:46:24 i love it...but to be honest I've really started to like google calendar Jan 23 04:46:42 oh i do too. I am forced into the exchange world :) Jan 23 04:46:52 oh see there's a way around that Jan 23 04:46:59 JenP: what do you dislike about it? Jan 23 04:47:01 have you seen the google calender sync? Jan 23 04:47:19 from corporate exchange? Jan 23 04:47:22 not much Jan 23 04:47:40 it doesn't have a video camera...yet Jan 23 04:47:53 and the camera isn't like the Treo where you could zoom...yet Jan 23 04:48:02 eh, those are not massive things Jan 23 04:48:11 but you can upload to face book Jan 23 04:48:21 no i don't think they are either Jan 23 04:48:26 how's the browser. I am planning on going to the store tomorrow, but can you pinch navigate like on the iPhone? Jan 23 04:48:34 yes Jan 23 04:48:38 love the browser Jan 23 04:48:40 multiple pages? Jan 23 04:48:50 love love love that i can open mutiple pages apps etc Jan 23 04:48:58 so while ones uploading i'm working on the other Jan 23 04:49:08 ventz: you can pinch zoom Jan 23 04:49:18 Tibfib: thanks Jan 23 04:49:23 ventz: video recording is coming in feb sometime Jan 23 04:49:25 i think the design is super sexy Jan 23 04:49:29 JenP: you too, thanks for the info Jan 23 04:49:37 yea, that's something that I am attracted too -- design and multitasking Jan 23 04:49:39 and! unlike the iphone you can change the battery Jan 23 04:49:52 the one thing that I keep reading about is battery life which has me worried, but I do see the extended batteries. Jan 23 04:50:16 yeah and when you're at work just lay the phone on a touch stone to charge Jan 23 04:50:23 oh! and the headphones rock! Jan 23 04:50:28 ventz: once you get over the newness and novelty of the pre you should be able to get through the day Jan 23 04:50:39 they have a mic too! so you can flip over to the phone and back to music Jan 23 04:50:40 because when you get it you use it A LOT Jan 23 04:50:52 Tibfib totally agree Jan 23 04:51:05 I have an iphone on tmobile and even though i get 5 or 4 bars everywhere within 5+ miles, I get 190kbp/s during the night and < 20kbps during the day -- thus, it's unusable Jan 23 04:51:07 according to my boyfriend..."it has changed my life" Jan 23 04:51:18 Jenp would you also like to beta test my awsome app you could give me comments on how it looks Jan 23 04:51:30 what's the app crasheed? Jan 23 04:51:31 Even banging at this thing, trying to kill the battery... I've still got plenty of battery after 12 hours Jan 23 04:51:32 JenP: so you would recomend the touch stone? Jan 23 04:51:46 heck yeah ventz! i have 3 Jan 23 04:51:48 ventz: If you have the money.... Jan 23 04:52:11 2 for home, 1 for office, 1 for car, ... Jan 23 04:52:26 rwhitby are you doing the touchstone in the car? Jan 23 04:52:30 i've been considering it Jan 23 04:52:42 JenP: yep, works well. Jan 23 04:53:01 what about wiggling around on uh...tight turns Jan 23 04:53:09 my first app profits are going to a touchstone Jan 23 04:53:13 JenP: holds well Jan 23 04:53:19 ...lol "tight turns" Jan 23 04:53:26 Tibfib you won't regret it Jan 23 04:53:31 well i do live in socal Jan 23 04:53:35 lol Jan 23 04:53:45 N309Pr: she meant "quick getaways" Jan 23 04:53:53 ...Think so. Jan 23 04:53:56 well rwhitby i belive you have just sold me on buying another touchstone Jan 23 04:54:10 Where does the money come from? Jan 23 04:54:10 i've already tested it in our drink holder and it fits perfect Jan 23 04:54:11 Lol Jan 23 04:54:18 $45 is a lot, but not "crazy" expensive like the charging matt Jan 23 04:54:24 i would definitely consider getting one for work Jan 23 04:54:41 money? i work my a** for my money...so i buy awesome toys Jan 23 04:54:46 ventz: if you have a desk-based job you definitely should Jan 23 04:54:48 and shoes...shoes more then toys Jan 23 04:54:52 problem is the extended battery comes with a special cover i think Jan 23 04:55:08 ventz: the big extended ones do Jan 23 04:55:15 JenP: less shoes, more toys here :-) Jan 23 04:55:19 heh Jan 23 04:55:31 Does the 20% one fit the regular cover? Jan 23 04:55:32 rwhitby: tisk tisk...never neglect the shoes... Jan 23 04:55:52 JenP: I have a good pair of RM Williams boots - all the shoes you need. Jan 23 04:56:15 rwhitby: one pair of shoes is NEVER enough shoes... Jan 23 04:56:58 * Bmyers who got her started? Jan 23 04:57:02 Cochran Jumpboots.... Now those are all the shoes you would ever need Jan 23 04:57:08 JenP: http://www.rmwilliams.com.au/home.asp?pageid=30A4383191C26B9B&departmentproducttypegroupid=9C8322E9C7C024FB&productid=74712DD20458F866&producttypeid=3AECD6850AE70656 Jan 23 04:57:20 Corcoran Jan 23 04:58:14 rwhitby: http://www.michaelkors.com/store/catalog/prod.jhtml?itemId=prod7020004&parentId=cat130&masterId=cat121&cmCat=cat000000cat101cat121cat130&index=2&tid=V1 Jan 23 04:58:32 JenP: nice! Jan 23 04:58:44 i love Kors... Jan 23 04:58:54 JenP wins Jan 23 04:58:59 haha Jan 23 04:59:11 5 inch heels always do Jan 23 04:59:37 Any one got any insight on security apps for webos? Jan 23 04:59:42 for/on* Jan 23 04:59:59 no i N3O9Pr Jan 23 05:00:20 JenP: Aye, thank you anyway. Jan 23 05:00:21 N3O9Pr: look in optware: http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs08q1armel/cross/unstable/ Jan 23 05:00:47 rwhitby: Thank you very much. Jan 23 05:01:14 Install the Optware Advanced Linux Command Line Installer in preware to get at them Jan 23 05:01:38 Alright thank you much. Jan 23 05:01:41 then ipkg-opt install foo Jan 23 05:07:48 h Jan 23 05:12:28 darn it i can't seem to over ride the dialog box background colors Jan 23 05:13:24 haeffb_asleep! are you getting ready to go to bed? Jan 23 05:17:24 what's up? Jan 23 05:17:41 just seeing if you're up...and if you want to tackle repeat with me Jan 23 05:18:22 woot! i've got it to let me over-ride the default dialog box... Jan 23 05:19:01 probably can't do much tackling tonight. stopped at a friends for beers afyer movie... :) Jan 23 05:19:26 lol no worries...may be tomorrow Jan 23 05:19:32 don't want to make it more broke! Jan 23 05:19:55 smiles... Jan 23 05:20:00 I will be round tomorow till mid-afternoon CST Jan 23 05:20:16 kool if i'm here i'll look you up Jan 23 05:20:32 ok Jan 23 05:21:35 do most people here have extended batteries? Jan 23 05:21:47 not i Jan 23 05:22:01 nope Jan 23 05:22:04 no need for one Jan 23 05:22:13 don't want that bulk either Jan 23 05:44:39 ho all Jan 23 05:44:41 *hi Jan 23 05:49:01 hi Jan 23 05:49:25 ventz: extended batteries ftw Jan 23 05:49:54 Peace put ya'll Jan 23 06:24:29 anyone know how to use a submenu in a command Menu? Jan 23 06:24:55 specifically I'm not sure what to do with the submenu model property Jan 23 06:42:29 jfelectron: you figure out the submenu yet? Jan 23 06:46:21 well I can do popupSubmenu in response to tap on button...but I think the submenu string thing is easier no? Jan 23 06:46:52 one sec i'll post some code Jan 23 06:46:56 popupSubmenu is a problem because the button div in the command window doesn't have an idea Jan 23 06:46:58 ok cool! Jan 23 06:47:28 command menu button doesn't have id I mean....lol tired Jan 23 06:52:52 here it is: http://pastie.org/790977 Jan 23 06:53:13 edektor: btw...chuq said there is a timetable for Mojo messaging, but they aren't telling the public yet. Also, if you make a compelling case you can be included in the closed beta Jan 23 06:53:52 k well I dont think I have anything compelling as of yet Jan 23 06:54:17 thanks...interesting....I didn't get the setupWidget part, not clear from the docs Jan 23 06:54:28 np Jan 23 06:54:33 yeah, well the messaging is fun to play with in the emu Jan 23 06:55:01 yeah.. Im working in on building the backend with ruby Jan 23 06:55:19 maybe make a gem or something to make it alot easier Jan 23 06:55:36 nice...I'll probably use GAE, so I'm sticking with Python Jan 23 06:56:57 I don't exactly have scalable infrastructure at my disposal :) Jan 23 06:57:55 I have a server with slicehost that I can rezise if need be Jan 23 06:59:00 I might migrate to something like that depending on how much cpu time and bandwidth I send up needing Jan 23 06:59:16 there pretty nice Jan 23 07:04:20 plugging in laptop always helps :) Jan 23 07:11:10 sweet, submenu works, thanks! Jan 23 07:11:21 np Jan 23 08:05:04 how do i get a song title out of a song file on pre? Jan 23 08:07:12 crasheed: in javascript? Jan 23 08:07:19 yea Jan 23 08:07:25 well Jan 23 08:07:29 out of the audio picker Jan 23 08:07:29 you cant Jan 23 08:07:34 oh.. Jan 23 08:07:46 the audio picker seems to only return Fullpath and Icon Jan 23 08:08:00 yeah im not sure.. Jan 23 08:09:09 THAT"D be really lame if audio picker only returns the file but not the name of it XD Jan 23 08:44:58 MY APP IS FINALY DONE Jan 23 08:46:37 crasheed: what is it? Jan 23 10:55:13 hi Jan 23 12:43:50 what is the attribute to change the background color of a textfield, do you change the model or the field itself? Jan 23 12:51:40 let me check Jan 23 12:53:11 it's in the css Jan 23 12:55:34 ok Jan 23 12:56:30 .my-.searchfield input { Jan 23 12:56:35 backgrund: xxx Jan 23 12:56:36 } Jan 23 12:58:44 so my textfield is newUserTxtPass Jan 23 12:59:37
Jan 23 13:00:11 I already have it made on ares, just trying to change it's color based on input Jan 23 13:00:30 that should work too Jan 23 13:24:37 ok, i'm still doing something wrong, cause now the program won't load Jan 23 13:27:19 what happens? Jan 23 13:27:55 just pure white screen Jan 23 13:29:21 http://pastebin.com/d2e55165e that's what I was doing Jan 23 13:29:51 what does the log say? Jan 23 13:30:34 not sure where log goes :/ Jan 23 13:30:53 palm-log Jan 23 13:30:56 on the command-line Jan 23 13:31:08 of the emulator? Jan 23 13:31:16 on the host Jan 23 13:32:29 not found Jan 23 13:32:55 i'm running it off ares Jan 23 13:33:20 oh Jan 23 13:33:25 you don't have the sdk installed? Jan 23 13:33:35 yes Jan 23 13:33:43 but i use ares so i can work on it at work Jan 23 13:33:57 because there i don't Jan 23 13:34:30 i found logviewer Jan 23 13:34:56 that could work Jan 23 13:35:42 com.mycompany.ashwallet =========> Calling palmInitFramework200_47 Jan 23 13:35:42 com.mycompany.ashwallet Info: Requested submission : 200.47 Jan 23 13:35:42 com.mycompany.ashwallet Info: Current locale is en_us Jan 23 13:35:42 com.mycompany.ashwallet Warning: indicated new content, but not active. Jan 23 13:35:42 com.mycompany.ashwallet Uncaught SyntaxError: Unexpected token {, file:///var/usr/palm/applications/com.mycompany.ashwallet/app/assistants/newUser-assistant.js:135 Jan 23 13:35:44 com.mycompany.ashwallet Warning: The scene assistant 'NewUserAssistant' is not defined. Did you remember to include it in index.html? Jan 23 13:35:47 com.mycompany.ashwallet Error: The scene 'newUser' could not be pushed because an exception occurred. Jan 23 13:35:49 com.mycompany.ashwallet Error: Error: require Failed: The scene assistant 'NewUserAssistant' is not defined. Did you remember to include it in index.html?, line undefined, file undefined Jan 23 13:35:52 com.mycompany.ashwallet Warning: indicated new content, but not active. Jan 23 13:35:54 com.mycompany.ashwallet Info: Transition ended. Jan 23 13:38:19 what's on line 135? Jan 23 13:39:04 an unexpectedd { there Jan 23 13:44:44 hallo metaview Jan 23 13:45:27 hi fanatsumy Jan 23 13:46:04 hello :) Jan 23 13:46:35 remember the weird json problem i had? Jan 23 13:47:00 hi Jan 23 13:47:06 which one? Jan 23 13:47:10 of course) Jan 23 13:47:18 ok, wasn't me... Jan 23 13:47:33 have you found a reason ? Jan 23 13:47:42 sugardave found it Jan 23 13:47:49 because i read the json wrong :) Jan 23 13:48:05 in the meantime i've to my own webservice to generate the json Jan 23 13:48:29 i've/i've switched Jan 23 13:50:14 and what was the error in reading json ? Jan 23 13:50:19 swisstomcat: the sb2 env takes quite a time to generate Jan 23 13:50:28 yeah Jan 23 13:50:39 now I get a SDL.h not found error Jan 23 13:50:47 where is it hidden Jan 23 13:50:51 after make? Jan 23 13:51:08 making build-engine Jan 23 13:51:21 build <- base of Duke3D and ShadowWarrior Jan 23 13:51:48 didn't get that far yet Jan 23 13:52:04 :) Jan 23 13:52:17 but the SDL stuff must be hidden somehwere Jan 23 13:52:18 just prepared the environment Jan 23 13:52:37 ok, I did it this morning, now I want to see how it works :) Jan 23 13:54:58 in packages/sdllib there is the SDL.h, but am I suppossed to point include there? Jan 23 13:56:04 I guess I need to look inside this: include ../../support/staging.mk Jan 23 13:56:04 include ../../support/cross-compile.mk Jan 23 13:56:14 hello world. Jan 23 13:57:31 hello Jan 23 13:57:36 hi)) Jan 23 13:59:34 dlrow olleh Jan 23 13:59:48 ) Jan 23 14:24:33 hi haeffb Jan 23 14:32:06 hy Bmyers Jan 23 14:32:24 got coffee? Jan 23 14:33:53 think I will work on jenp's theme today Jan 23 14:33:56 * Bmyers haeffe_bogodonutz Jan 23 14:34:06 yeah Jan 23 14:34:22 my sons bday party today.. the big 7 Jan 23 14:34:50 wow! can't believe he's that old already Jan 23 14:35:07 (even tho I've never met the kid) Jan 23 14:35:27 goes by fast Jan 23 14:47:56 weird. when I load jenp's version from eclipse, the background only covers half the scene in emu Jan 23 14:53:55 but works fine on device Jan 23 15:08:42 haeffb, i'm having troubles modifying the bgcolor attribute of a textfield Jan 23 15:16:21 still getting that error, g073nks? Jan 23 15:16:57 swisstomcat, yes and I have no idea how you use css in a script Jan 23 15:17:16 so i knwo what the error is: .newUserTxtPass {bgColor: "#ffff00";} Jan 23 15:17:27 oh Jan 23 15:17:30 yeah, that won't work Jan 23 15:17:39 unless it's in a css Jan 23 15:17:48 neither does: this.newUserTxtPass.bgColor = "#ff0000"; Jan 23 15:18:09 can you try to change the color to a fixed one first via the css? Jan 23 15:18:15 does that work? Jan 23 15:18:22 i can change color to default Jan 23 15:18:46 but I'm trying to get it to change color while I type based on a value that get's returned (password strength) Jan 23 15:18:57 red = low, yellow = mod, green = good Jan 23 15:20:01 i see Jan 23 15:20:14 how did you change the default color in the css? Jan 23 15:20:16 bgcolor? Jan 23 15:21:22 it's set in ares, i'll download it and find out Jan 23 15:21:38 i believe it's on a jss file Jan 23 15:21:48 yeah, that is likely Jan 23 15:21:52 css you mean Jan 23 15:23:19 no js Jan 23 15:23:22 { Jan 23 15:23:22 name: "newUserTxtPass", Jan 23 15:23:22 ontap: "", Jan 23 15:23:22 onkeypress: "", Jan 23 15:23:22 modelName: "newUserTxtPassMdl", Jan 23 15:23:23 hintText: "Password", Jan 23 15:23:25 preventResize: true, Jan 23 15:23:27 focusMode: "select", Jan 23 15:23:29 textCase: "cap-lowercase", Jan 23 15:23:31 oncharsallowed: "", Jan 23 15:23:33 onchange: "newUserTxtPassChange", Jan 23 15:23:35 type: "Palm.Mojo.PasswordField", Jan 23 15:23:36 use pastie.org Jan 23 15:23:37 l: 95, Jan 23 15:23:39 r: 0, Jan 23 15:23:41 w: null, Jan 23 15:23:45 t: 120, Jan 23 15:23:47 h: 40, Jan 23 15:23:49 styles: { Jan 23 15:23:51 bgColor: "#aaaaaa", Jan 23 15:23:53 oneLine: true Jan 23 15:23:55 } Jan 23 15:23:57 }, Jan 23 15:23:59 you ignored my last pastebin Jan 23 15:24:13 i actually looked at it Jan 23 15:24:21 oh, inline styles .. funny Jan 23 15:25:09 so $('newUserTxtPass').bgColor="#bbbbbb"; doesn't work? Jan 23 15:25:21 to set a new color in the code? Jan 23 15:25:35 let me check Jan 23 15:26:55 doesn't seem to change the bgcolor Jan 23 15:28:11 hmm Jan 23 15:28:29 woops Jan 23 15:28:33 and it generates an uncaught exception Jan 23 15:28:47 $('newUserTxtPass').style.bgColor="#bbbbbb"; Jan 23 15:29:08 which exception? Jan 23 15:30:08 caught TypeError: Cannot read property 'style' of null, file:///var/usr/palm/applications/com.mycompany.ashwallet/app/assistants/newUser-assistant.js:135 Jan 23 15:30:37 did you change it to $('newUserTxtPass').style.bgColor="#bbbbbb"; already? Jan 23 15:30:44 yup Jan 23 15:30:51 g073nks: are you trying to change the color when the textfield has focus? Jan 23 15:31:01 oh Jan 23 15:31:03 yes, but even when it looses focus Jan 23 15:31:15 whats its id, not its name? Jan 23 15:31:31 or is the id newUserTxtPass too? Jan 23 15:32:04 bbiab Jan 23 15:32:11 textfield uses .pngs for background Jan 23 15:32:18 css styles won't work Jan 23 15:32:59 brb Jan 23 15:34:07 you need to look at global-textfields.css and the images folder in your SDK\refcode\webos-framework\... directories Jan 23 15:35:47 haeffb is that while you have focus or after it looses focus Jan 23 15:36:42 with focus Jan 23 15:36:43 pinewood derby event, i have to go, bbl Jan 23 15:38:03 oh and the textfield doesn't seem to have an ID Jan 23 15:40:05 you could use getElementByName() Jan 23 15:56:51 rehi Jan 23 15:57:07 what up in swisserland? Jan 23 15:57:30 not much Jan 23 15:57:32 working on my app Jan 23 15:59:30 trying out some canvas stuff Jan 23 16:15:51 anyone alive today? Jan 23 16:17:41 yeah Jan 23 16:17:47 more or less :) Jan 23 16:25:52 lol Jan 23 16:26:11 do you have any experience submitted apps for web / app catalog? Jan 23 16:26:28 i was wondering 1) how long it takes for free apps to be approved for the catalog Jan 23 16:27:12 and 2) why my icon change didn't update in the app catalog - i changed the application icon and screenshots. when you click the link and it opens in the app catalog, the screenshots are the new ones, but the icon at the top is still the old icon Jan 23 16:27:26 *submittING lol Jan 23 16:29:25 sorry, i haven't submitted my app yet Jan 23 16:29:28 will do soon tho Jan 23 16:30:11 jdforsythe: no idea. App approval time can be variable. Haven't submitted anything for a couple of months, though, so I'm not sure what current times are. Jan 23 16:30:39 it seems like it shouldn't be long. there aren't that many new apps per day lol Jan 23 16:30:53 * haeffb needs better image tools. Jan 23 16:31:11 what kinda app you developing swiss? Jan 23 16:31:22 13-year old version of PaintShopPro isn't cutting it these days. Jan 23 16:31:23 i have two apps on precentral Jan 23 16:31:28 paid app come in a day Jan 23 16:31:45 oh cool which ones? Jan 23 16:32:06 http://www.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/moo Jan 23 16:32:15 oh ok lol Jan 23 16:32:20 http://www.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/fahrplan Jan 23 16:32:27 do you know them? Jan 23 16:32:41 i know of moo i haven't seen fahrplan. will have to check it out Jan 23 16:32:50 i'm working on improving moo Jan 23 16:32:53 any ideas? Jan 23 16:34:13 hmm idk i haven't downloaded it as of yet. is it available in preware Jan 23 16:34:22 yes Jan 23 16:34:30 you have heard of moo? how? Jan 23 16:34:34 ok gimme 2 minutes and i'll let ya know Jan 23 16:34:37 sure Jan 23 16:34:38 moooo Jan 23 16:34:50 jdforsythe: i had a free app approved for catalog in a few days\\\\ Jan 23 16:34:51 i have just seen it in the precentral homebrew pages Jan 23 16:34:59 ok thx kmudrick Jan 23 16:35:12 i submitted it at about 2am this morning and i'm just impatient Jan 23 16:35:28 Palm typically doesn't work the weekends. Jan 23 16:35:30 it changed on the "my apps" page from queued to "being reviewed" Jan 23 16:35:37 lazy bastards lol Jan 23 16:35:48 hehe Jan 23 16:35:51 i no, right? Jan 23 16:36:07 real devs work 24/7 :-p Jan 23 16:36:44 I gotta figure out how to modify the bottom fade w/ a command menu Jan 23 16:36:55 to make it "darker" Jan 23 16:37:44 ? Jan 23 16:37:52 you mean to make the gradient in the menu darker Jan 23 16:37:53 ? Jan 23 16:38:21 yes Jan 23 16:38:26 have to say, tomcat, i wasn't privvy to what noise camels make lol Jan 23 16:38:58 i think there's a scrim patch for that, haeffb, so maybe grab that and check out the source, see what exactly it's modifying Jan 23 16:39:01 trying to develop a custom theme for my app. with little CSS and imaging skills. It's a challenge! Jan 23 16:39:39 i just got familiar enough with the command menu to make 3 options in it lol still have some learning to do Jan 23 16:41:01 ok swisstomcat couple suggestions Jan 23 16:41:22 jeebus. PS Elements 8 trial is 1.06GB! Jan 23 16:41:33 wtf does any app need 1GB for? Jan 23 16:41:42 i would personally get rid of the "palm-header" div and do something to make your own heading, so the image can fill the screen and there's no white background there Jan 23 16:41:48 * haeffb goes to get GIMP Jan 23 16:42:10 gimp is the shit Jan 23 16:42:20 i'm a linux guy so that's all i use Jan 23 16:42:49 jdforsythe: here is the current layout: http://www.inorbit.ch/upload/snap02.png Jan 23 16:43:01 also, swisstomcat, shaking the phone, to me anyway, is kinda annoying and iffy at best, so maybe add listeners for screen taps to play the sounds too? Jan 23 16:44:19 gimp is pretty good Jan 23 16:44:34 that's sleek. i like that a lot. the header is cool on that scene, just when it goes to the actual sound scene with the animal photo i think it detracts from the look to have the white background behind the header Jan 23 16:44:47 good point Jan 23 16:44:48 maybe just make it transparent background and overlay the images? that would work too Jan 23 16:45:16 i'm working on some canvas action on that scene Jan 23 16:45:21 to pay eyes on the image Jan 23 16:45:48 pay/draw Jan 23 16:46:16 one more thing i noticed is the app thinks the scene is scrollable on the sound scenes Jan 23 16:46:24 yeah, noticed that too Jan 23 16:46:27 not good Jan 23 16:46:56 i kinda like the shaking .. tapping seems to easy Jan 23 16:48:08 it might just be my accelerometer bc i have trouble getting my pre to recognize i turned my phone Jan 23 16:48:20 even tho it's only 2 weeks old... lol Jan 23 16:49:38 morning all Jan 23 16:49:50 morning Jan 23 16:50:03 ok so about the scrolling, are you using an image widget to display? Jan 23 16:50:06 hi jen Jan 23 16:50:21 hi swisstomcat, jdforsythe Jan 23 16:50:27 my workaround was to just use a container div and set the image as the background with css Jan 23 16:50:37 then my scene doesn't try and scroll like an image widget Jan 23 16:51:03 i'm doing something similar Jan 23 16:51:11 just change the innerHTML of a div Jan 23 16:51:21 hye JenP Jan 23 16:51:30 morning haeffb! Jan 23 16:51:47 how long before you take off? Jan 23 16:51:48 jdforsythe: but now i'm switching to a canvas Jan 23 16:52:04 3 hrs Jan 23 16:52:07 haven't worked with it so i have no experience there Jan 23 16:52:08 give or take Jan 23 16:52:22 feel like tackling stupid repeats? Jan 23 16:52:26 ok guys gotta take off. cool app tho swiss, and the new ui is looking great Jan 23 16:52:31 sure. Jan 23 16:52:32 thanks jdforsythe Jan 23 16:52:38 later Jan 23 16:52:42 k let me send you an email Jan 23 16:52:46 I'm working on your theme this morning. downloading GIMP to do image stuff now. Jan 23 16:53:27 lol. GIMP is 17.4M. PSE 8 is 1.06G. Jan 23 16:53:37 what's GIMP? Jan 23 16:53:51 opensource photoshop type app Jan 23 16:53:59 the gnu image manipulation program Jan 23 16:54:10 http://www.gimp.org/ Jan 23 16:54:18 ahhh...yeah adobe suites suber pricey. I just got my CS4 in Jan 23 16:55:10 you know you can download a 30 day trial Jan 23 16:55:25 I was going to buy PSE 8 for $75, but the download was 1.06 Gb. Jan 23 16:55:34 I don't have that kinda time! Jan 23 16:55:39 smiles Jan 23 16:55:49 I could write a whole new app before the DL completed. Jan 23 16:56:02 you can go out and buy it on a physical media Jan 23 16:56:32 or get the much more capable GIMP for free Jan 23 16:56:44 sorry Adobe Jan 23 16:58:56 k haeffb it's in the mai. Jan 23 16:58:58 l Jan 23 18:14:02 Pre doesn't charge when its off? Jan 23 18:17:27 it should Jan 23 18:21:24 Charges fine when its on. Left it over night off from the Device Info reset options "Off", and it didn't charge lol Jan 23 18:21:34 strange Jan 23 18:42:35 you complete shut the phone OFF Jan 23 18:57:42 wsupp Jan 23 19:11:04 haeffb: GIMP + Inkscape= heaven for free Jan 23 19:11:57 is there a way to figure out if a listener exists? Jan 23 19:16:16 what kind of listener? Jan 23 19:16:39 one create by this.controller.listen Jan 23 19:16:59 I want to know if it hasn't already been destroyed so I can destroy it Jan 23 19:17:30 it doesn't really matter....but it throws a warning if you call controller.stopListening and it doesn't exist Jan 23 19:17:32 destroy 'em all & let god sort 'em out Jan 23 19:18:06 haeffb: lol....I'll make a class called nukeEmAll() Jan 23 19:19:05 it just seem unclean.... but whatever, back to more important things Jan 23 19:31:06 Is there an integrated way to display a google map with custom markers? As is possible on 'other platforms'? Jan 23 19:31:30 or are the only options a] low feature set google map, or b] access a web based map Jan 23 19:37:57 fiftycal: as far as i have seen there are only the built in map app with limited featureset that doesnt include overlays, or using a web based map Jan 23 19:39:54 digitalpowers: ok thanks. thought so, but wanted to be sure. Jan 23 19:40:29 fiftycal: dont count my opinion as sure, but that is what i have found from my own looking around, i am still fairly new around here though Jan 23 19:42:39 ok. but your answer matches up with what I've found. A little disappointing but not insurmountable. Jan 23 19:44:41 fiftycal: i am guessing they will add more stuff to the internal map stuff in future releases, at least i hope they do Jan 23 19:46:06 fiftycal: yeah, the map options right now are ridiculously crappy Jan 23 19:46:56 doesn't even support kml, which iphone has had for *years* Jan 23 19:47:06 digitalpowers: It may be getting more difficult... if this were a game of risk, Google would have just broken all treaties and attacked Asia. :) They've made no efforts to upgrade the maps app on iPhone, presumably so the droid navigation can look better. Jan 23 19:47:21 so they may show no love for us either... Jan 23 19:48:51 hmm.. I seem to remember reading something about monoculture, and why it is bad... Other than google, there really is no other viable alternative for this map data. Cloudmade, maybe, but I don't think it's quite there yet. And there is no pre SDK that I am aware of. Jan 23 19:49:22 something wrong with yahoo maps? Jan 23 19:49:22 cloudmade does work Jan 23 19:50:16 you can use the cloudmade js library, it works with the touch events (not sure about pinch though) Jan 23 19:50:48 and mapquest's beta js library works also.. but it is not free Jan 23 19:51:09 dylanmei: yahoo maps are fine... better than Cloudmade, and their APIs are very nice... but they still work in the same model as the Google maps would on the pre... meaning an embedded webpage. Which works... it's just a lot slower than a native SDK. Jan 23 19:51:53 2 legs instead of 1, with javascript being downloaded from the middle point, and interpreted on the client... just a lot faster to request tiles from the map source directly. Jan 23 19:51:57 ya i see. they have a rest api but as far as i can see it's very primitive. can load it into a canvas and draw markers, but is not an easy task Jan 23 19:52:13 i'm debating on this myself. Jan 23 19:53:17 http://developer.yahoo.com/maps/rest/V1 Jan 23 19:53:41 if only google js was downloadable, so you don't have to take the hit on that every time you want to display the map Jan 23 19:54:08 i guess that's two-step as well, but more direct than the js api which i don't want to deal with Jan 23 19:55:16 dylanmei: what do you mean? Jan 23 19:55:28 yahoo terms of service have some weird things in them, like: Jan 23 19:55:29 "(vi) use the Yahoo! Maps APIs with location information that is less than 6 hours old and derived from a GPS device or any other location sensing device;" Jan 23 19:56:12 yeah that's why i haven't made up my mind yet ;) Jan 23 19:57:12 cloudmade recently changed their usage too.. not free for commercial apps any longer Jan 23 19:57:32 and seems as though they are going to start shoving ads in Jan 23 19:58:09 i haven't found ANYTHING that would allow me to integrate maps and then charge for my app. Jan 23 19:58:20 i've thought about using openlayers + openstreetmap, but the webkit touch events are not supported yet, so you have to roll your own there Jan 23 20:00:01 cloudmade is based on openstreetmap, or at least uses their data. I think some of the principals of cloudmade are heavily involved in Open Street Map. Jan 23 20:00:17 yea wikipedia says it's built on openstreetmaps Jan 23 20:00:40 dylanmei: i'd settle for being able to pass a url with kml to the map service, but no dice Jan 23 20:00:49 yeah cloudmade uses openstreetmap data Jan 23 20:00:52 ah so it's just the SDK that they charge for. Jan 23 20:01:02 yep, and access to their map editor Jan 23 20:01:28 i believe the sdk is free for non commercial use Jan 23 20:01:43 and it does work Jan 23 20:04:57 ask metview about his app that uses osm data Jan 23 20:05:05 metview/metaview Jan 23 20:05:13 which app is it? Jan 23 20:05:19 maptool i think Jan 23 20:05:49 mappingtool Jan 23 20:07:30 yeah, maptool 0.9.1 Jan 23 20:10:10 i'm still figuring this out. openstreetmap just contains data for plotting maps? Jan 23 20:14:54 Alrighty guys, I got a question... I'm trying to create a "search" feature for my app... using http://w3schools.com/jsref/jsref_obj_regexp.asp I can get the pre to say whether it can find the text, but Im not sure how to make the pre show where the text it found is... Jan 23 20:15:17 anyone have an idea of how to do it? Jan 23 20:15:22 dylanmei: think of it this way... mapping companies paid 100s of millions of dollars to aggregate map data from a few hundred sources... Jan 23 20:15:57 google paid 10s of millions of dollars to compile map data from thousands of sources... Jan 23 20:17:00 and open streetmap is paying millions of dollars to compile map data from (hopefully) millions of sources. Well, by paying, I think most of it is overhead. They're trying to crowd source the map data creation problem. Wikipedia, but for maps. Jan 23 20:17:39 yeah and then what's really interesting is letting other apps do the image generation based on the data. Jan 23 20:17:57 i'm looking at cartagen.org and my draw is dropping. Jan 23 20:19:34 reading... Jan 23 20:20:35 oh neat Jan 23 20:20:37 oh my goodness this solves so many problems for me :D Jan 23 20:24:59 oh no way... Jan 23 20:26:40 watch the vid: http://code.google.com/p/cartagen/ Jan 23 20:27:16 yeah i am on the floor, this is so cool Jan 23 20:27:41 I pulled the site up on the Pre emulator, and though the website css is a little jacked, it renders the map correctly in the background. Jan 23 20:29:58 ok, I'm going to play with this for the rest of the afternoon and see if I can figure out how to get overlays working. I'm thinking there are only 2 parts to figure out: Jan 23 20:31:12 u should be able to draw right on the canvas. Jan 23 20:31:18 1] how to inject a certain link specifying my overlay into the map data from openStreetMap, and 2] how to intercept those links from my webview to do cool stuff in the Mojo world. I think 2 is very straightforward, there is documentation on it. Jan 23 20:31:30 dylanmei: well, what about zooming, scaling, etc Jan 23 20:32:22 I'd want to make sure my marker was placed on the map at the correct geographic location, so it would be easier to insert it before the coordinate to pixel mapping is done. Jan 23 20:32:33 hmm well i don't know enough about your problem. Jan 23 20:33:42 but the markers i picture wouldnt scale or zoom, always be the same time, but lining them up properly yeah you will need to translate a point on the map to a point on the canvas, which iw ould think is a problem already solved. Jan 23 20:33:54 time=size Jan 23 20:35:07 so if the cartagen uses the mit license, that's awesome. but how is the openstreetmap data licensed? Jan 23 20:35:32 think about it this way... if I'm showing a map of Northern Europe, close to the arctic circle, and I want to place a marker exactly half way from the latitude at the top of the map and the latitude bottom, the pixel coordinates of this location would be above half way up the map from a pixel coordinates standpoint. This is a problem that _has_ already been solved, but it sucks every time. :) Jan 23 20:35:43 ie can we use the data in a paid app? Jan 23 20:36:10 not sure will have to research. I'll be back on later and let you know what I find. Jan 23 20:36:56 i am assuming that cartagen might have that functionality in it. i'm doing something currently on a map i know the size and scale of but i may switch to this. Jan 23 20:40:55 anyone wants to alpha-test my updated app (moo) Jan 23 20:40:59 ? Jan 23 20:41:25 whatever code Palm uses to position command menu buttons and groups....its crap, its completely undpredictable and doesn't always position things in a visually appealing manner Jan 23 20:46:09 who here has kids and wants to test the lastest alpha-version of moo? Jan 23 20:46:38 swisstomcat: sorry, i have no kids Jan 23 20:51:18 you want to test it anyway ... just pretend you're a kid :) Jan 23 20:51:21 ? Jan 23 20:55:34 sure Jan 23 20:56:21 http://www.inorbit.ch/upload/com.inorbit.moo_1.0.1_all.ipk Jan 23 20:56:26 only the dog works for now Jan 23 21:01:50 * swisstomcat thinks kmudrick fainted because of the app Jan 23 21:07:03 sorry, had to step out to.. walk the dog :)\ Jan 23 21:07:25 loading it now Jan 23 21:08:01 :) Jan 23 21:09:20 only the dog works correctly at the moment Jan 23 21:09:53 hmm Jan 23 21:10:05 other than eyes blinking, what is it supposed to do? Jan 23 21:10:49 kmudrick: emulator? Jan 23 21:10:59 no, actual re Jan 23 21:11:01 pre Jan 23 21:11:09 move the pre .. shake it Jan 23 21:11:11 i see, the eyes follow the tilt Jan 23 21:11:47 are the dots supposed to leave the eyes when you shake it? Jan 23 21:11:58 nah Jan 23 21:12:02 you should hear a sound Jan 23 21:12:09 are they? Jan 23 21:12:35 yeah, they bounce around the screen a little Jan 23 21:12:42 something to fix Jan 23 21:12:53 defintely outside of the eye circles Jan 23 21:13:18 allright, have to test and adjust Jan 23 21:13:29 we don't want to loose any eyeballs Jan 23 21:13:41 also, i'd probably turn of scrolling on the animal scene Jan 23 21:13:48 yeah Jan 23 21:13:57 i also want a transparent header Jan 23 21:14:09 the canvas should start at 0,0 of the screen Jan 23 21:14:16 apart of that, what do you think? Jan 23 21:15:08 cute, but it was not entirely obvious to me how it should work Jan 23 21:15:26 maybe have some quick instructions on first launch? Jan 23 21:16:06 either leave them to figure it out as part of the game ... or maybe instructions on first launch Jan 23 21:16:10 you mean the sound part? Jan 23 21:29:08 yeah Jan 23 21:30:51 how do you stop the scrolling? Jan 23 21:33:39 disableSceneScroller attribute when pushing/swapping your scene Jan 23 21:34:21 Mojo.Controller.stageController.swapScene( { "name" : "foo", disableSceneScroller: true } ); Jan 23 21:36:03 thanks, let me try it Jan 23 21:36:08 np Jan 23 21:37:09 yup, works Jan 23 21:37:47 now i have to find a way to make the header transparent Jan 23 21:58:47 hi everyone Jan 23 21:59:12 hi Jan 23 22:00:08 hi Jan 23 22:00:17 how's your app coming along, yatharth? Jan 23 22:00:32 hey swisstomcat Jan 23 22:00:39 it is showing the same errors Jan 23 22:00:51 so now i started fro the begining Jan 23 22:01:20 now what i am doing is i modified the helloworld application Jan 23 22:01:45 such that after that command button 5 times a new scene pops up Jan 23 22:02:03 which a text box displaying some data Jan 23 22:02:36 when i ran this application though it ran correctly Jan 23 22:02:58 but when i checked the log it showed some errors Jan 23 22:03:12 ganz rot Jan 23 22:03:27 aw sorry Jan 23 22:04:14 [20100124-03:15:59.303211] error: The scene 'Second' could not be pushed because an exception occurred. Jan 23 22:04:14 [20100124-03:15:59.304246] error: Error: require Failed: The scene assistant 'SecondAssistant' is not defined. Did you remember to include it in index.html?, line undefined, file undefined Jan 23 22:04:31 these were the errors which it was showing Jan 23 22:06:56 so can anyone tell what are these errors and why are they coming?? Jan 23 22:07:39 the real error is probably before the other two you're pasted Jan 23 22:08:12 these two come after an error in the assistant Jan 23 22:09:03 connecting to device emulator (8E6598B5C21AEA5821E54E7B168C2BB582AC049F:tcp:49287) Jan 23 22:09:03 retrieving logs for application com.mystuff.hello Jan 23 22:09:03 [20100124-02:56:47.617648] info: =========> Calling palmInitFramework200_72 Jan 23 22:09:03 [20100124-03:04:57.222916] info: =========> Calling palmInitFramework200_72 Jan 23 22:09:03 [20100124-03:13:15.294885] info: =========> Calling palmInitFramework200_72 Jan 23 22:09:03 [20100124-03:15:59.303211] error: The scene 'Second' could not be pushed because an exception occurred. Jan 23 22:09:03 Yatharth: put mojo.logs through out your scene functions and see how far you get before hitting the error Jan 23 22:09:05 [20100124-03:15:59.304246] error: Error: require Failed: The scene assistant 'SecondAssistant' is not defined. Did you remember to include it in index.html?, line undefined, file undefined Jan 23 22:09:08 [20100124-03:17:06.156980] info: =========> Calling palmInitFramework200_72 Jan 23 22:09:18 this is the complete log of my program Jan 23 22:09:44 hmm Jan 23 22:09:48 sup Jan 23 22:09:49 so somewhere must be an error Jan 23 22:10:16 should i paste my code i pastie??its a small code Jan 23 22:10:17 yatharth: put in Mojo.Log.error("i'm doing xx"); at different places in your code and see how far you get Jan 23 22:10:36 are there other included button styles beyond the standard dark gray? Jan 23 22:14:55 i think i m making some mistake in sources.json file Jan 23 22:15:39 i have created two scenes first and second Jan 23 22:16:02 so what should be written in my sources.jso file?? Jan 23 22:16:54 codeslaw no you'll have to customize Jan 23 22:17:14 right on Jan 23 22:20:41 how did you create the two scenes, yatharth? Jan 23 22:20:45 with palm-generate? Jan 23 22:23:58 yes Jan 23 22:24:19 palm-generate -t new_scene -p "name:second" HelloWorld Jan 23 22:24:36 using the above statement Jan 23 22:28:40 ok Jan 23 22:28:52 palm-generate updates source.json automatically Jan 23 22:28:59 you don't have to edit it Jan 23 22:29:06 usually Jan 23 22:29:38 ok Jan 23 22:30:11 then what must be problem??i am clueless that why this is happening Jan 23 22:31:03 the first scene shows up? Jan 23 22:31:07 what happens then? Jan 23 22:32:08 the first scene shows up with a text 0 Jan 23 22:32:17 and a command button Jan 23 22:33:01 JenP: you will love my app Jan 23 22:33:21 haeffb_pre: yeah? what did you do to it? Jan 23 22:33:30 still need some work, but it is gonna look goooood. Jan 23 22:33:30 yatharth: what happens then? Jan 23 22:33:41 cause you know your apps gonna raise the bar on appearances Jan 23 22:33:46 some tweaks of what you had. Jan 23 22:33:52 when i press that button the value of the number displayed increments by 1 and when that number becomes 5 a new scene is displayed showing some text Jan 23 22:33:59 too cool i can't wait to see it! Jan 23 22:34:07 haeffb: want to see the update i made for moo? Jan 23 22:34:21 2morrow jenp Jan 23 22:34:38 can't wait! Jan 23 22:34:41 swisstomcat: I can't now. at bball game Jan 23 22:34:49 sure Jan 23 22:35:00 swisstomcat send it to me Jan 23 22:35:44 jenp: wait a moment .. uploading Jan 23 22:37:14 jenp: http://www.inorbit.ch/upload/com.inorbit.moo_1.0.1_all.ipk Jan 23 22:45:03 swisstomcat: love the eyes especially how they blink Jan 23 22:45:18 jenp: did you move and shake the device? Jan 23 22:45:26 oh yeah Jan 23 22:45:36 uber cute Jan 23 22:45:47 it's a kids app Jan 23 22:46:02 it's great! Jan 23 22:46:08 i like the blinking too .. makes the animals come alive Jan 23 22:46:16 but volumn doesn't sync in too well Jan 23 22:46:35 it doesn't lower until after i'm at no bars and still tapping button Jan 23 22:46:41 really? Jan 23 22:47:06 and you need to remove your index html body Jan 23 22:47:16 every now and then i see "this text verify...;.." Jan 23 22:47:30 oh Jan 23 22:47:34 volume works here Jan 23 22:47:37 strange Jan 23 22:47:40 yeah put it to a paused state Jan 23 22:47:51 you'll see index html pop up Jan 23 22:48:06 woops Jan 23 22:48:10 yup, see it now Jan 23 22:48:35 guess i need a "paused" graphics Jan 23 22:48:42 or "the animal is sleeping" Jan 23 22:50:17 how do you like the layout on the first page, jen? Jan 23 22:50:26 i like it a lot Jan 23 22:50:40 you need a better icon though Jan 23 22:50:47 yeah, it was a quick hack Jan 23 22:52:16 appreciate the feedback .. arigato Jan 23 22:52:40 welcom Jan 23 22:53:04 Anyone know who i contact to get into the early access program? Jan 23 22:54:51 childsd3: there was a post in the developer forum .. let me chek Jan 23 22:54:52 check Jan 23 22:55:15 http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=3573 Jan 23 22:55:34 fantastic, thanks :D Jan 23 22:58:04 should we be hearing anything back? i sent something dec 9 Jan 23 22:58:46 chuq said something that he's flooded with requests Jan 23 22:59:02 and that we should ask if we didn't get anything by monday ... i think Jan 23 22:59:03 dec 9th!! :) Jan 23 22:59:10 oh Jan 23 22:59:15 i'd ask back Jan 23 22:59:29 that was last year :) Jan 23 22:59:31 ya after reading that i will try that email i was given some other one Jan 23 22:59:44 thanks for the link Jan 23 23:02:12 jenp: made a change ... the animals are sleeping when you select them first ... you have to wake them up Jan 23 23:02:49 too cute...how about adding a popup balloon saying wake me up Jan 23 23:03:11 good idea Jan 23 23:06:02 have to make them fall back to sleep if nothing moves Jan 23 23:09:09 so true. Jan 23 23:09:14 and maybe a splash screen? Jan 23 23:09:52 yeah, with instructions for the first start Jan 23 23:09:57 or what did you mean? Jan 23 23:12:15 no i think that's a good idea Jan 23 23:12:35 later maybe a little farm yard annimation Jan 23 23:13:00 need a good artist for that Jan 23 23:13:11 lol...well i happen to know one... Jan 23 23:13:22 you do? Jan 23 23:13:43 my bf's a graphic designer...he's done a bunch of stuff for webOS Jan 23 23:14:17 good to know Jan 23 23:14:31 yuppers Jan 23 23:14:32 although it's a free, open-source app Jan 23 23:14:45 JenP: would he want to contribute to my open-source app? Jan 23 23:15:13 to be honest he's really swamped right now, but i can always ask Jan 23 23:15:16 what do you need done? Jan 23 23:15:26 A few buttons Jan 23 23:15:31 for my game countdown Jan 23 23:16:15 Just let me know if he's interested. I understand if he isn't Jan 23 23:16:29 sounds good tibfib Jan 23 23:16:46 graphics are what I struggle with the most...hah Jan 23 23:18:35 any idea how to make the header transparent and start the canvas at 0,0? Jan 23 23:18:59 header transparent? why just not include it Jan 23 23:19:22 it shows the name of the animal Jan 23 23:19:53 set the background image to a transparent object Jan 23 23:20:56 hmm? Jan 23 23:23:42 what's up swisstomcat? Jan 23 23:23:56 (12:19:54 AM) JenP: set the background image to a transparent object Jan 23 23:24:02 can you elaborate? Jan 23 23:24:11 up one sec... Jan 23 23:24:25 you're trying to set a header pill right? Jan 23 23:24:36 yup, with the animal name in it Jan 23 23:24:50 just in case someone doesn't know Jan 23 23:24:55 kk one sec Jan 23 23:25:44 k Jan 23 23:26:37 hmm Jan 23 23:26:43 maybe "i'm a cow .. wake me up" Jan 23 23:36:29 swisstomcat did you still want the outline of the header button? Jan 23 23:36:49 maybe Jan 23 23:37:00 lol that's not helpful Jan 23 23:37:02 i could also combine it with the "wake me up" Jan 23 23:37:09 cartoon-bubble like Jan 23 23:37:34 well, how can i make it transparent if i end up using the header still? Jan 23 23:39:50 send me your swisstomcat Jan 23 23:39:53 email Jan 23 23:40:17 * swisstomcat sends himself to jenp Jan 23 23:40:27 LOL Jan 23 23:43:32 yikes, already 12:45am Jan 23 23:45:56 nighty night everyone Jan 23 23:49:39 $30 touchstone+cover http://mobility.dell.com/AccessoriesDetails.aspx?referringdomain=dellmobility&agent=&oflag=&zipcode=&refcode1=DMS_4444_000_PHONEDEALS&refcode2=&eid=&manufacturerid=16&productId=57917&accessoryid=58257&categoryid=186&cenbd=1&cid=35693_70ded2b6c7f3405b81b37def5ee3e99b Jan 24 00:04:57 tibfib, why the heck no international shipping :( :( Jan 24 00:06:26 someone from the US here who can order a touchstone for me from dell and send it to germany? :) Jan 24 00:41:27 anybody know offhand the command to close a dialog window? Jan 24 00:50:11 anyone have any idea how to make the background of a dialog pop up transparent or just change the color? Jan 24 01:07:38 JenP: have you checked out the reference code from the SDK Jan 24 01:07:47 I can find the dialog CSS in the global.css file Jan 24 01:08:00 yep been looking at it Jan 24 01:08:34 JenP: does it not work? Jan 24 01:08:57 so far no...i get everything but the panel done Jan 24 01:10:17 doh...just found it...sometimes the obvious escapes me Jan 24 01:11:47 JenP: Hah. It often escapes all of us. Jan 24 01:11:58 smiles Jan 24 01:25:03 codeslaw: this.widget.mojo.close() Jan 24 01:25:44 if you saved this.widget Jan 24 01:30:40 haeffb_gon4bball! Jan 24 01:37:26 yo Jan 24 01:54:24 hey haeffb_pre Jan 24 01:55:06 hey Jan 24 01:55:26 hows it going Jan 24 01:55:52 Tigers win Jan 24 01:56:41 congrats.. Jan 24 02:06:05 driving home Jan 24 02:15:02 ah. hows traffic? Jan 24 02:17:35 light. rainy. Jan 24 02:45:14 doing CSS w/o the inspector is frustrating Jan 24 02:53:24 haeffb: I've never really used the inspector...does it make a difference? Jan 24 02:57:12 when it works, it does. It shows you exactly what CSS is applied to a div Jan 24 02:57:55 and you can change CSS on the fly. Jan 24 02:58:09 and see the changes in the emu Jan 24 02:59:27 it doesn't seem to refresh when the scene changes...but yeah if it could do all that it would be awesome... Jan 24 02:59:35 would make my job a lot easier for sure **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jan 24 02:59:57 2010