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Jan 28 03:02:46 <JenP> ah-hah! just put it in the div itself...
Jan 28 03:02:48 <JenP>  style="visibility: hidden"
Jan 28 03:24:43 <jfelectron> element.setStyle({visiblity: 'hide'}) is the correct syntax
Jan 28 03:25:13 <jfelectron> display: none is better though....doesn't take up space in the flow
Jan 28 03:25:37 <jfelectron> {visibility: 'hidden'} rather
Jan 28 03:37:07 <atlanta> found a glitch in our phone
Jan 28 03:37:14 <atlanta> wonder has anyone else noticed ut
Jan 28 03:38:03 <sugardave> mine stopped farting money after the last update...I'm pissed
Jan 28 03:42:34 <reality9110> Wow...McDonnell is talking out of both sides of his mouth...
Jan 28 04:00:31 <maik> another option is $('div').hide(); and .show();
Jan 28 04:11:45 <JenP> hi guys...i'm back
Jan 28 04:13:41 <sugardave> hi JenP
Jan 28 04:13:49 <JenP> hi sugardave
Jan 28 04:14:48 <LoneStar99> howdy sugardave
Jan 28 04:15:12 <sugardave> hey LoneStar99
Jan 28 04:20:29 <JenP> haeffb!!
Jan 28 04:21:19 <haeffb> hey jenp, what's going on?
Jan 28 04:21:29 <JenP> not much just saying hi
Jan 28 04:21:40 <haeffb> ok. hi!
Jan 28 04:21:47 <JenP> lol
Jan 28 04:22:07 <haeffb> just got done drinking beer at an engineering conference. Even much beer doesn't make us interesting.
Jan 28 04:22:20 <JenP> LOL
Jan 28 04:22:39 <JenP> it's not any better at programming conferences
Jan 28 04:23:13 <LoneStar99> perhaps some shots would make things more interesting
Jan 28 04:23:32 <reality9110> Scientists...now...they can drink.
Jan 28 04:23:34 <sugardave> me and my homies in technical enablement education are fly wizard, yo
Jan 28 04:23:45 <JenP> lol
Jan 28 04:23:58 <haeffb> oh, we can drink.
Jan 28 04:24:00 <JenP> no shots give them weird "courage"
Jan 28 04:24:28 <JenP> very uncomfortable if you're in a skirt...think animal planet...
Jan 28 04:24:41 <haeffb> but five guys sitting at a table, drinking beerk and discussing bridge design... meh.
Jan 28 04:24:48 <haeffb> beer no k
Jan 28 04:25:28 <JenP> haeffb where's your conference at?
Jan 28 04:25:40 <haeffb> Lake of the Ozarks, MO
Jan 28 04:25:57 <JenP> ewwww
Jan 28 04:26:00 <haeffb> sortof a Branson lite
Jan 28 04:26:04 <reality9110> Who the hell goes to a conference in MO?
Jan 28 04:26:11 <haeffb> Missouri engineers.
Jan 28 04:26:24 <haeffb> Missouri DOT engineers.
Jan 28 04:26:33 <reality9110> Tough luck
Jan 28 04:26:36 <haeffb> we used to leave the state, but other states complained.
Jan 28 04:26:53 <reality9110> We conference in good places
Jan 28 04:26:57 <reality9110> Interesting places
Jan 28 04:27:24 <reality9110> Except when they're held in Baltimore in which case it's like, "Meh...I think I'll skip that one"
Jan 28 04:27:49 <haeffb> Statewide Program Delivery Annual Meeting (SPDAM)
Jan 28 04:28:30 <haeffb> originality isn't our strong suit, either.
Jan 28 04:29:05 <reality9110> There's a meeting coming up in Taos, NM, and then one in Japan
Jan 28 04:29:19 <haeffb> Taos is OK. never been to Japan.
Jan 28 04:30:58 <reality9110> Up until the world went crazy a few years ago, there was one in Iran every year as well
Jan 28 04:31:30 <haeffb> no wonder my health insurance costs so much...
Jan 28 04:31:50 <reality9110> These are scientific conferences
Jan 28 04:31:57 <reality9110> Physician conferences are boring as anything
Jan 28 04:32:04 <haeffb> no wonder my science insuranc costs so much
Jan 28 04:32:11 <reality9110> Places like Scottsdale, Arizona.
Jan 28 04:33:24 <haeffb> here's one of my past projects: http://www.modot.org/northcentral/glasgowbridgeproject.htm (note: Glasgow, MO != Glasgow, Scotland)
Jan 28 04:33:57 <reality9110> As long as it doesn't fall down...
Jan 28 04:34:10 <haeffb> so far, so good.
Jan 28 04:34:17 <JenP> haeffb that's so cool!
Jan 28 04:34:38 <sugardave> I never go to conferences
Jan 28 04:34:59 <haeffb> JenP: the nice thing is that it will be there after I'm gone.
Jan 28 04:35:19 <JenP> so true
Jan 28 04:35:21 <reality9110> I remember when the Tampa Bay bridge fell down
Jan 28 04:35:41 <reality9110> I was driving over the skyway bridge on my trip to Florida and I was having a panic attack
Jan 28 04:36:05 <haeffb> our bridge engineers are REALLY anal.
Jan 28 04:36:07 <haeffb> analytical.
Jan 28 04:36:10 <JenP> wow...i like that one bridge that's under water...no idea what it's called
Jan 28 04:36:34 <reality9110> JenP: that's called a tunnel...
Jan 28 04:36:44 <JenP> lol ...right
Jan 28 04:37:46 <haeffb> JenP: is that in...Virginia?
Jan 28 04:37:57 <reality9110> Yes.
Jan 28 04:37:59 <JenP> i think so...i know it was east coast
Jan 28 04:38:07 <reality9110> It's by the naval base
Jan 28 04:38:22 <haeffb> http://www.cbbt.com/
Jan 28 04:38:55 * haeffb spent about 9 years in our Bridge division. Never designed a bridge, though.
Jan 28 04:41:29 <reality9110> Oh wow.  I may end up living in Beverly Hills, 90210
Jan 28 04:41:51 <haeffb> wow. like. on the TV show?
Jan 28 04:42:15 <JenP> reality9110 try to get as far from sunset possible
Jan 28 04:42:24 <reality9110> I'd insert a witty response, but...too tired
Jan 28 04:42:29 <JenP> lol
Jan 28 04:43:14 <JenP> hmm how do you add a line break to a list label?
Jan 28 04:45:48 <JenP> \r\n & <br/> doesn't work
Jan 28 04:45:51 <haeffb> dunno.
Jan 28 04:46:28 <JenP> <br> doesnt work
Jan 28 04:48:27 <haeffb> what about hitting it with a hammer?
Jan 28 04:49:13 <JenP> nope...
Jan 28 04:50:51 <haeffb> darn. that usually works when I want to break stuff.
Jan 28 04:50:57 <JenP> lol
Jan 28 04:51:55 <haeffb> do you need a line break, or just word wrap?
Jan 28 04:52:06 <JenP> multiline....
Jan 28 04:54:01 <haeffb> maybe the CSS can be changed.
Jan 28 04:54:01 <JenP> need a line break
Jan 28 04:56:19 <JenP> maybe...
Jan 28 05:02:54 <LoneStar99> iTab would have been such a better name than iPad
Jan 28 05:03:56 <haeffb> JenP: are you in the listSelector widget?
Jan 28 05:04:02 <JenP> yes
Jan 28 05:04:10 <haeffb> and you have set multiline attrib?
Jan 28 05:04:35 <JenP> when i set mutliline it mutlilines the div it's held in not the list itself
Jan 28 05:05:14 <haeffb> multiline is for the "label", not the actual list selector choices.
Jan 28 05:05:46 <haeffb> I don't see a way to add a line break, if <br /> and /r/n don't work.
Jan 28 05:05:58 <haeffb> unless you can check the CSS style and change that...?
Jan 28 05:06:08 <JenP> yeah i think i'm stuck on this one
Jan 28 05:06:12 <JenP> i'm looking
Jan 28 05:06:40 <haeffb> do you get truncating-text now?
Jan 28 05:07:13 <JenP> yes
Jan 28 05:08:24 <haeffb> i don't know if theres a "not truncating-text" style.
Jan 28 05:08:42 <haeffb> but truncating-text is defined in global-base.css. Try overriding those values.
Jan 28 05:08:49 <JenP> kk thanks
Jan 28 05:09:22 <haeffb> or I could be completely off base, and there's an easier way.
Jan 28 05:16:49 <maik> hah, we're watching Monsters vs. Aliens.  towards the end dr. cockroach says "By Hawkins' chair!"
Jan 28 05:19:47 <atlanta> oppss did i forget to state the glitch
Jan 28 05:19:52 <atlanta> anyone want to test on their phone
Jan 28 05:19:52 <atlanta> ?
Jan 28 05:19:59 <atlanta> make sure its not just me
Jan 28 06:22:08 <noaXess> good morning..
Jan 28 07:42:10 <jlazaroff>  question: how would i go about using a javascript library in my application?
Jan 28 07:47:17 <jlazaroff> quiet in here...
Jan 28 07:49:06 <zomg> jlazaroff: you would just put it with your app and that's it
Jan 28 07:49:15 <zomg> you could include it using a <script> tag in the html file
Jan 28 07:56:54 <maik> jlazaroff: more correctly, you would put the file in your app's directory structure somewhere, then add a reference to it in sources.json
Jan 28 07:58:15 <maik> for instance, i'm using webtoolkit's base64 library, so i put base64.js under the app/ directory, then in sources.json i added { "source": "app/base64.js" }
Jan 28 07:58:47 <swishy> just wondering with playing audio, if your preloading multiple files I take it you create a audio object for each and call play on it when required?
Jan 28 08:03:57 <maik> i've never tried, seems logical though
Jan 28 08:04:41 <swishy> ok
Jan 28 08:10:52 <jlazaroff> zomg, maik: okay, thanks :)
Jan 28 08:19:41 <jlazaroff> does anyone have any good resources for using forms with webos?
Jan 28 08:30:02 <jlazaroff> or just submitting http requests
Jan 28 08:32:30 <swisstomcat> morning
Jan 28 08:33:13 <fanatsumy> hi)
Jan 28 08:34:03 <jlazaroff> hello
Jan 28 08:41:35 <jlazaroff> nevermind, found Ajax.Request
Jan 28 08:42:17 <jlazaroff> another question: how do i access the contents of textfields?
Jan 28 08:42:31 <swisstomcat> through it's model
Jan 28 08:43:14 <swisstomcat>   this.commandInputTextModel =  {  value: '', disabled: false };
Jan 28 08:43:23 <swisstomcat> that's the model
Jan 28 08:43:54 <swisstomcat> then you can set or read it's value out ... this.commandInputTextModel.value
Jan 28 09:02:58 <jlazaroff> swisstomcat: thanks :)
Jan 28 09:03:16 <swisstomcat> it's working?
Jan 28 09:09:16 <jlazaroff> swisstomcat: yup!  now i just have to figure out what to do with the response from the post request -_-
Jan 28 09:09:46 <swisstomcat> what are you developing?
Jan 28 09:11:34 <jlazaroff> i'm just sorta trying to get a feel for mojo
Jan 28 09:11:39 <jlazaroff> right now i'm playing around with tumblr's api
Jan 28 09:11:52 <jlazaroff> i tried playing around with twitter's but i didn't understand how oauth worked :\
Jan 28 09:12:14 <jlazaroff> tumblr's seems much more straightforward
Jan 28 09:12:29 <swisstomcat> learning by doing is good
Jan 28 09:13:02 <jlazaroff> yup! :)
Jan 28 09:15:08 <jlazaroff> hm, any idea why onFailure is getting triggered here?
Jan 28 09:15:21 <jlazaroff> http://pastebin.com/d40957a33
Jan 28 09:15:50 <jlazaroff> it comes up with "win" if i just have onSuccess: Mojo.Controller.errorDialog("win").bind(this)
Jan 28 09:16:56 <swisstomcat> you'd have to find out why it's failing
Jan 28 09:17:01 <swisstomcat> return code or something
Jan 28 09:18:52 <jlazaroff> oh, wait, i have to put that in Ajax.Responders?
Jan 28 09:21:53 <jlazaroff> how do i get the response of the request?
Jan 28 09:22:48 <swisstomcat> onSuccess: this.getResult.bind(this),
Jan 28 09:23:16 <swisstomcat> XXXAssistant.prototype.getResult = function(transport) {  var data=transport.responseText; ....
Jan 28 09:25:58 <jlazaroff> oh, thanks :)
Jan 28 09:26:04 <jlazaroff> now i just have to figure out why it keeps failing...
Jan 28 09:26:37 <swisstomcat> do the same with onFailure
Jan 28 09:27:00 <swisstomcat> you should get an object too with the status codes
Jan 28 09:27:44 <jlazaroff> i do
Jan 28 09:31:38 <jlazaroff> ah, i'm getting a 403
Jan 28 09:31:41 <jlazaroff> what is that, forbidden?
Jan 28 09:32:12 <swisstomcat> yeah
Jan 28 09:47:02 <jlazaroff> oh wow, this is actually semi-working now
Jan 28 09:47:05 <jlazaroff> this is so cool :)
Jan 28 09:47:45 <jlazaroff> how would i populate text fields based on information stored in a cookie?
Jan 28 09:48:40 <swisstomcat> set the textfields model value
Jan 28 09:50:11 <fanatsumy> Hi, I need some advice with creating tables in a database on the first launch of my application. If someone can help me I'll be grateful )
Jan 28 09:51:24 <jlazaroff> swisstomcat: oh, right
Jan 28 09:51:31 <jlazaroff> sorry, i feel like i'm asking you the same questions over and over
Jan 28 09:51:39 <fanatsumy> )
Jan 28 09:52:36 <swisstomcat> nothing wrong with asking
Jan 28 09:55:10 <fanatsumy> well, i also have another question ) I need to show spinner while my scene is loading. The problem is that it doesn't spin, it is just like static image
Jan 28 09:55:28 <fanatsumy> of course this.spinnerModel.spinning = true;
Jan 28 09:55:29 <swisstomcat> you have to set your spinner to spin
Jan 28 09:55:32 <swisstomcat> oh
Jan 28 09:55:36 <swisstomcat> but it's not?
Jan 28 09:55:44 <swisstomcat> can you show the code?
Jan 28 09:56:00 <swisstomcat> not only set it to spinning=true but also change the spinner model
Jan 28 09:56:04 <fanatsumy> of course, pls wait a minute
Jan 28 09:56:24 <swishy> gah how does one create a bunch of sound objects in a single function?
Jan 28 09:56:47 <swisstomcat> do you really need more than one sound object?
Jan 28 09:56:56 <swishy> ah to be honest I dont know
Jan 28 09:57:09 <swishy> I have a bunch of audio files I want to load on app launch
Jan 28 09:57:14 <swishy> to precache them
Jan 28 09:57:20 <swishy> so I can call play() later
Jan 28 09:57:36 <swishy> reading the docs it appeared I needed a object per file
Jan 28 09:57:47 <jlazaroff> how do i refer to specific values of a cookie?
Jan 28 09:58:02 <jlazaroff> right now i have     if (loginInfo) this.emailModel.value = this.cookie.email;
Jan 28 09:58:05 <jlazaroff> but it doesn't work
Jan 28 09:58:17 <swisstomcat> how do you load your cookie?
Jan 28 09:58:38 <fanatsumy> swisstomcat, http://pastebin.com/d126f17f6
Jan 28 09:58:45 <jlazaroff> swisstomcat: get()
Jan 28 09:59:36 <jlazaroff> swisstomcat: oh, wait, figured it out!  i just had to use the variable name instead of this.cookie
Jan 28 10:01:34 <swisstomcat> strange stuff, fanatsumy
Jan 28 10:01:53 <swisstomcat> why don't you have the scrim already in your view?
Jan 28 10:02:16 <fanatsumy> In that case I have the same
Jan 28 10:02:33 <fanatsumy> Sorry, I've forgotten to say
Jan 28 10:02:54 <swisstomcat> hmm?
Jan 28 10:03:01 <fanatsumy> It seems like it spins on the emulator, but on the phone it is static
Jan 28 10:03:25 <swisstomcat> why do  you use createScrim and insert and all that?
Jan 28 10:03:48 <fanatsumy> I can put scrim into my view and toggle it's visibility
Jan 28 10:04:12 <swisstomcat> can't you do that in the view (html)?
Jan 28 10:04:30 <fanatsumy> yes, I can
Jan 28 10:04:43 <fanatsumy> Do you think it will be faster ?
Jan 28 10:05:03 <fanatsumy> I have no idea why spinner is stopped on the phone
Jan 28 10:05:25 <swisstomcat> not faster but cleaner
Jan 28 10:09:05 <jlazaroff> question: how would i save my authentication functions somewhere so that i can reuse them without having to rewrite them in every assistant?
Jan 28 10:09:17 <swisstomcat> in your own .js file
Jan 28 10:09:24 <jlazaroff> but how would i link to it?
Jan 28 10:09:40 <fanatsumy> for example
Jan 28 10:09:48 <swisstomcat> create an object of it at startup
Jan 28 10:09:50 <fanatsumy> App.Utils = { ... }
Jan 28 10:10:03 <fanatsumy> then use App.Utils.methodname()
Jan 28 10:12:40 <jlazaroff> wait, are those two different ways of doing it?
Jan 28 10:14:10 <fanatsumy> yes, you can use abstract class or object of your class
Jan 28 10:15:01 <fanatsumy> If your methods are like utils you should use abstract class
Jan 28 10:15:29 <jlazaroff> what do you mean, like utils?
Jan 28 10:15:42 <fanatsumy> sorry, I mean static class instead abstract
Jan 28 10:16:36 <fanatsumy> well, it will be some methods that can be applied to any object... I can't explain it normally)
Jan 28 10:17:06 <jlazaroff> ah, okay
Jan 28 10:17:31 <fanatsumy> here is an example http://pastebin.com/d2ada0d7c
Jan 28 10:17:50 <jlazaroff> ah, okay
Jan 28 10:17:56 <fanatsumy> then use App.Utils.goToUrl(url);
Jan 28 10:18:10 <jlazaroff> and then i save that in a .js file somewhere in the app
Jan 28 10:18:16 <jlazaroff> add it to sources.json
Jan 28 10:18:37 <jlazaroff> and i can use those methods in my scenes by App.Utils.blarg()?
Jan 28 10:18:50 <fanatsumy> I include that files in index.html
Jan 28 10:18:55 <fanatsumy> <script src="javascripts/js/application.js" type="text/javascript" />
Jan 28 10:19:35 <fanatsumy> To be honest, I don't know, maybe you should include that file in source.json )
Jan 28 10:19:46 <fanatsumy> but it works if i include it in index.html
Jan 28 10:20:04 <fanatsumy> just one thing
Jan 28 10:20:25 <fanatsumy> if you want to use App.Utils you have to emulate App namespace
Jan 28 10:20:39 <fanatsumy> so, write App = {};
Jan 28 10:20:50 <fanatsumy> before App.Utils = {...};
Jan 28 10:21:28 <fanatsumy> in other case you can write Utils = {} and use that name
Jan 28 10:22:31 <fanatsumy> swisstomcat, do you know how can i organize the queue of sql-commands in one scene assistant?
Jan 28 10:22:44 <jlazaroff> fanatsumy: gotcha :)
Jan 28 10:22:51 <swisstomcat> not really, haven't played with db stuff yet
Jan 28 10:22:54 <swisstomcat> but i will soon
Jan 28 10:22:59 <fanatsumy> )
Jan 28 10:26:19 <swisstomcat> working on my website
Jan 28 10:27:24 <fanatsumy> what the website?
Jan 28 10:27:32 <swisstomcat> will upload in a bit
Jan 28 10:28:19 <fanatsumy> and what is it about?)
Jan 28 10:28:22 <swisstomcat> my apps
Jan 28 10:28:28 <fanatsumy> cool)
Jan 28 10:31:39 <swisstomcat> uploaded
Jan 28 10:31:41 <swisstomcat> www.kleinhirn.ch
Jan 28 10:33:11 <fanatsumy> Is the palm pre popular in your country?
Jan 28 10:33:27 <swisstomcat> not yet
Jan 28 10:34:04 <swisstomcat> it's not officially for sale yet
Jan 28 10:34:13 <swisstomcat> they import it from germany
Jan 28 10:34:23 <fanatsumy> yes, I have the same problem)
Jan 28 10:34:24 <fanatsumy> have you already seen iPad? )
Jan 28 10:34:46 * swishy guesses itll be a while before the pre arrives in NZ :\
Jan 28 10:34:55 <swishy> fanatsumy, that a joke? ;p
Jan 28 10:35:16 <swisstomcat> yeah, i've seen ipad
Jan 28 10:35:46 <fanatsumy> aha, a little joke)
Jan 28 10:36:06 <swishy> is there anything available to emulate accel on emulator yet?
Jan 28 10:36:31 <fanatsumy> i don't know
Jan 28 10:36:31 <swishy> looks like I might have to wait till I can get the real thing (tm) before finishing the port :\
Jan 28 10:36:31 <jlazaroff> question: is it possible for me to allow callback functions for the functions i bind to the onSuccess and onFailure options for Ajax.Request?
Jan 28 10:36:51 <swisstomcat> swishy: i thought so in the new 1.3.5 emulator
Jan 28 10:36:58 <swisstomcat> to change position
Jan 28 10:37:02 <swishy> jlazaroff, setup listner and trigger event?
Jan 28 10:37:02 <swisstomcat> orientation i mean
Jan 28 10:37:10 <fanatsumy> jlazaroff, i think yes
Jan 28 10:37:14 <swishy> swisstomcat,  I need tilt though
Jan 28 10:37:27 <swisstomcat> don't think so
Jan 28 10:37:33 <swishy> ie proper xyz coords
Jan 28 10:37:35 <swishy> ahh
Jan 28 10:37:35 <swisstomcat> i can test it for you if you want
Jan 28 10:37:36 <swishy> :\
Jan 28 10:37:42 <swisstomcat> or give you example data
Jan 28 10:38:26 <jlazaroff> swishy: i can do that for function calls?
Jan 28 10:38:38 <swishy> oh ok ill have to port the accel code across first but that would be helpful.
Jan 28 10:43:21 <jlazaroff> another question: how do i ssh in to the vm to view the log again?
Jan 28 10:47:08 <swishy> jlazaroff, as fas as I can tell yes :)
Jan 28 10:47:29 <swisstomcat> either ssh to port 5222
Jan 28 10:47:31 <swisstomcat> or use novacom
Jan 28 10:50:19 <swisstomcat> please check out www.kleinhirn.ch and tell me what you think
Jan 28 10:55:00 <jlazaroff> swisstomcat: try increasing the space above "Kleinhirn Mobile Applications" - it's a bit cramped up there
Jan 28 10:55:11 <swisstomcat> one moment
Jan 28 10:56:30 <jlazaroff> fanatsumy: is there a way i can pass functions to a function in my custom class?
Jan 28 10:57:00 <swisstomcat> better now, jlazaroff?
Jan 28 10:57:35 <jlazaroff> for example, i have http://pastebin.com/mb5edfb7, but i'd like onSuccess and onFailure to call functions in the scene assistant
Jan 28 10:57:39 <jlazaroff> swisstomcat: definitely :)
Jan 28 10:57:47 <swisstomcat> good point, thanks
Jan 28 10:58:38 <jlazaroff> no prob
Jan 28 11:01:33 <jlazaroff> swisstomcat: it'll be easier to work with if you put placeholder text in
Jan 28 11:01:48 <swisstomcat> where?
Jan 28 11:01:52 <jlazaroff> instead of just having empty divs
Jan 28 11:02:20 <jlazaroff> #content in blog.html, for example
Jan 28 11:02:29 <swisstomcat> yeah
Jan 28 11:02:33 <swisstomcat> content is needed :)
Jan 28 11:03:07 <swishy> what happens when theres content in recent updates?
Jan 28 11:03:17 <swishy> most would be hidden by the pre currently?
Jan 28 11:03:17 <swisstomcat> not much
Jan 28 11:03:33 <swisstomcat> not if i do it correctly
Jan 28 11:03:36 <jlazaroff> i mean, since you don't have content yet, just find a paragraph or so of nonsense and mark it up as if it WERE actual content
Jan 28 11:03:46 <swishy> also how does one push a new scene from the current?
Jan 28 11:03:49 <swisstomcat> yeah, but i can't publish that
Jan 28 11:04:02 <jlazaroff> ah, fair enough
Jan 28 11:04:23 <swishy> swisstomcat, sure you can http://www.lipsum.com/
Jan 28 11:04:29 <swisstomcat> Mojo.Controller.stageController.pushScene("second");
Jan 28 11:04:32 <swisstomcat> yup :)
Jan 28 11:04:36 <swishy> ahhhh
Jan 28 11:04:39 <swishy> thanks
Jan 28 11:04:48 <jlazaroff> swishy: i think swisstomcat means it wouldn't be professional to publish it
Jan 28 11:05:12 <swishy> yeah true
Jan 28 11:05:14 <jlazaroff> although i think something like "no content yet" would be better than just a blank content area
Jan 28 11:05:22 <jlazaroff> or "coming soon"
Jan 28 11:05:29 <swisstomcat> under construction :)
Jan 28 11:05:55 <swisstomcat> with an animated gif if a worker
Jan 28 11:05:56 <zomg> swisstomcat: with those gif animated warning lights etc?
Jan 28 11:06:00 <swisstomcat> yeah
Jan 28 11:06:00 <zomg> :D
Jan 28 11:06:05 <swisstomcat> like on the old days .. geocities
Jan 28 11:06:10 <zomg> Yes
Jan 28 11:06:18 <zomg> I remember when we learned to do websites in elementary school
Jan 28 11:06:21 <swishy> swishy, lol
Jan 28 11:06:33 <swishy> er
Jan 28 11:06:34 <swishy> wtf
Jan 28 11:06:43 <zomg> We all made sites full of images and crap animations
Jan 28 11:06:52 <swisstomcat> and blinking text
Jan 28 11:06:56 * swishy ponders why xchat on win7 allows one to message self 
Jan 28 11:06:57 <zomg> And blinking text
Jan 28 11:06:58 <zomg> =)
Jan 28 11:07:12 <zomg> swishy: all irc clients I've used allow you to do that
Jan 28 11:07:14 <jlazaroff> unnecessary flash splash pages!
Jan 28 11:07:15 <swisstomcat> that way you can talk to yourself
Jan 28 11:07:25 <zomg> I actually sometimes use it to leave notes to myself
Jan 28 11:07:36 <swishy> zomg, maybe its just cause im not paying attention tonight
Jan 28 11:07:37 <swishy> :)
Jan 28 11:08:07 <swishy> swisstomcat, I do that enough as it is without making it publically known ;)
Jan 28 11:08:10 <jlazaroff> hm, fanatsumy seems to have left, but i used his method for trying to make my authentication portable
Jan 28 11:08:26 <swishy> swisstomcat, that worked great but popScene doesnt remove it?
Jan 28 11:08:44 <swisstomcat> where do you put popscene?
Jan 28 11:09:16 <jlazaroff> i have http://pastebin.com/d6e88fb12 in api.js and i put that file in sources.json, but my authenticate function isn't being called when i called it like App.Api.authenticate("http://www.tumblr.com/api/authenticate");
Jan 28 11:09:43 <swishy> swisstomcat, http://pastebin.com/d7cc801ac
Jan 28 11:10:32 <swishy> swisstomcat, on iPhone basically shake phone = load prefs shake again saves > unloads
Jan 28 11:10:35 <swisstomcat> what are you trying to do? looks strange
Jan 28 11:10:49 <swishy> so atm im just trying to load/unloads
Jan 28 11:10:53 <swisstomcat> oh
Jan 28 11:10:58 <swishy> since the code to save etc isnt present
Jan 28 11:10:59 <swishy> :)
Jan 28 11:11:28 <fanatsumy> jlazaroff try to include that file in index.html
Jan 28 11:11:46 <fanatsumy> <head>
Jan 28 11:11:47 <swisstomcat> i don't think you have to do popScene("name") .. posScene() should be enough
Jan 28 11:11:48 <fanatsumy> <script src="javascripts/js/application.js" type="text/javascript" />
Jan 28 11:11:49 <fanatsumy> ...
Jan 28 11:12:03 <swisstomcat> unless you want to pass arguments
Jan 28 11:12:28 <jlazaroff> fanatsumy: i still don't think it's being called -_-
Jan 28 11:12:39 <fanatsumy> jlazaroff, you need to emulate app namespace
Jan 28 11:12:46 <swishy> swisstomcat, nah just evetually will call savePrefs(); and unload scene
Jan 28 11:12:46 <fanatsumy> you can;t use App.Api
Jan 28 11:12:56 <fanatsumy> type APp = {} and then App.Api
Jan 28 11:13:07 <fanatsumy> or use Api instead
Jan 28 11:15:05 <jlazaroff> fanatsumy: hey, it's working now!
Jan 28 11:15:08 <jlazaroff> thanks :)
Jan 28 11:15:31 <fanatsumy> you are welcome)
Jan 28 11:16:43 <swisstomcat> what browsers did you use to look at the website?
Jan 28 11:17:15 <swishy> swisstomcat, chrome on win7 here
Jan 28 11:17:28 <swisstomcat> did anyone try IE? ;)
Jan 28 11:17:34 <swisstomcat> firefox on linux here
Jan 28 11:17:36 <swishy> whats that?
Jan 28 11:17:38 <swishy> ;)
Jan 28 11:17:40 <swisstomcat> hehe
Jan 28 11:17:54 <swisstomcat> could you try IE just for laughs?
Jan 28 11:18:07 * swishy has had linux @ home soley since 2000 but just switched back to win for werk stuff 
Jan 28 11:18:10 <swishy> sure
Jan 28 11:18:16 <fanatsumy> ie 5.5 :)
Jan 28 11:18:20 <jlazaroff> fanatsumy: is there any way for me to specify functions for onSuccess and onFailure?
Jan 28 11:18:29 <jlazaroff> because what they do depends on the scene they're in
Jan 28 11:18:31 <swisstomcat> i'm using rgba and transparent png's and borders
Jan 28 11:18:46 <swisstomcat> think so, jlazaroff
Jan 28 11:18:58 <fanatsumy> swisstomcat if you use png24 with alpha channel it will be gray in ie6
Jan 28 11:19:11 <swisstomcat> i don't care about IE6
Jan 28 11:19:15 <jlazaroff> i think ie6 is pretty much irrelevant now
Jan 28 11:19:18 <swisstomcat> time to move on
Jan 28 11:19:22 <swishy> indeed
Jan 28 11:19:34 <swishy> swisstomcat, whats it supposed to look like
Jan 28 11:19:42 <swisstomcat> like in chrome
Jan 28 11:19:44 <fanatsumy> jlazaroff, as far as i understand you need to specify your callbacks for each scene ?
Jan 28 11:19:48 <swishy> swisstomcat, positioning of course has moved
Jan 28 11:19:58 <swisstomcat> oh well
Jan 28 11:20:00 <swisstomcat> bad?
Jan 28 11:20:00 <swishy> swisstomcat, pre has goneburger to the right
Jan 28 11:20:06 <swishy> but aside that looks ok
Jan 28 11:20:10 <jlazaroff> swisstomcat: you could be really mean and put a stylesheet in a conditional comment for ie6 that sets it in green comic sans on a red background >:]
Jan 28 11:20:20 <swishy> jlazaroff, rotfl
Jan 28 11:20:20 <swisstomcat> hehe, good idea
Jan 28 11:20:32 <swishy> jlazaroff, I did similar to one of the guys at work
Jan 28 11:20:33 <swisstomcat> let me start my winXP vm
Jan 28 11:20:49 <swishy> jlazaroff, in ie5.5 hitting it just showed "piss off and get a real browser"
Jan 28 11:20:50 <swishy> ;)
Jan 28 11:21:06 <jlazaroff> oh god, 5.5
Jan 28 11:21:08 <fanatsumy> :))
Jan 28 11:21:09 <jlazaroff> is that mac ie?
Jan 28 11:21:12 <swisstomcat> hehe
Jan 28 11:21:17 <swisstomcat> anyone using safari?
Jan 28 11:21:35 <swisstomcat> i'm using text-shadows and box-shadows too
Jan 28 11:21:40 <fanatsumy> i use chrome
Jan 28 11:21:41 <swishy> swisstomcat, if I was at werk could have even tested it on safari on PPC
Jan 28 11:21:56 <fanatsumy> i have safari
Jan 28 11:22:04 <fanatsumy> what site do you need to test?
Jan 28 11:22:09 <swisstomcat> www.kleinhirn.ch
Jan 28 11:22:18 <swisstomcat> looks kinda bland with ie8 on XP
Jan 28 11:22:21 <swisstomcat> *shrug*
Jan 28 11:22:44 <fanatsumy> And what should i find? )
Jan 28 11:22:51 <swisstomcat> just of it looks ok
Jan 28 11:23:01 <swisstomcat> no borders, no shadows
Jan 28 11:23:02 <swishy> swisstomcat, yeah ie8 here
Jan 28 11:23:03 <jlazaroff> so anyway, does anyone have any idea how i could have my authenticate() function in api.js call a function in a scene assistant?
Jan 28 11:23:05 <swisstomcat> no transparency
Jan 28 11:23:24 <swishy> swisstomcat, and pre image = right side ?
Jan 28 11:23:36 <fanatsumy> i think, it looks ok) like in chrome, but font is better :)
Jan 28 11:23:39 <swisstomcat> yeah, between content and sidebar
Jan 28 11:23:44 * swishy nods 
Jan 28 11:23:56 <swisstomcat> but in ie8 it moves farher to the right
Jan 28 11:24:07 <swisstomcat> the content boxes aren't half-transparent either
Jan 28 11:24:16 <swishy> swisstomcat, just relised of course since a new scene loads need to handle shake event there...
Jan 28 11:24:32 <swisstomcat> onSuccess: this.ajaxSuccess.bind(this, callback),
Jan 28 11:24:46 <swisstomcat> maybe?
Jan 28 11:25:15 <swisstomcat> api.prototype.searchStationSuccess = function(callback, response) {
Jan 28 11:25:25 <fanatsumy> http://browsershots.org/
Jan 28 11:25:34 <swisstomcat> callback(true, result);
Jan 28 11:25:46 <swishy> swisstomcat, ahhh true
Jan 28 11:26:05 <swisstomcat> oh, cool fanatsumy
Jan 28 11:26:39 <fanatsumy> i can check your site in lynx if you want :)
Jan 28 11:26:45 <swisstomcat> dillo and galeon aren't working
Jan 28 11:27:01 <swisstomcat> hallo noaXess
Jan 28 11:27:06 <swisstomcat> noaXess: www.kleinhirn.ch
Jan 28 11:32:43 <jlazaroff> hm, the functions that are supposed to binded to onSuccess and onFailure don't seem to be getting called either way
Jan 28 11:32:48 <jlazaroff> does this seem like it should work?  http://pastebin.com/d6e88fb12
Jan 28 11:34:12 <swisstomcat> do you get any errors?
Jan 28 11:34:31 <jlazaroff> nothing shows up in the app
Jan 28 11:35:34 <jlazaroff> wait, in the log: [20100128-06:35:15.562115] error: Uncaught ReferenceError: App is not defined
Jan 28 11:35:44 <swishy> how do I set a global var in an assistant?
Jan 28 11:36:00 <fanatsumy> this.varname in setup method
Jan 28 11:36:07 <swishy> ahh
Jan 28 11:36:08 <swishy> thanks
Jan 28 11:37:01 <jlazaroff> fanatsumy: any idea what that error could mean?
Jan 28 11:37:08 <fanatsumy> yes)
Jan 28 11:37:12 <swishy> swisstomcat, I was setting the variable in the shake handler so it was always the same hense the 2nd scene wouldnt go away
Jan 28 11:37:14 <fanatsumy> have you defined App ?
Jan 28 11:37:20 <fanatsumy> I think no
Jan 28 11:37:22 <jlazaroff> fanatsumy: ...not sure
Jan 28 11:37:37 <fanatsumy> ok you have line with text  App.Api = {
Jan 28 11:37:41 <fanatsumy> true?
Jan 28 11:37:43 <jlazaroff> yup
Jan 28 11:38:14 <fanatsumy> just write new line over this and type
Jan 28 11:38:20 <fanatsumy> App = {};
Jan 28 11:38:26 <jlazaroff> oh, i did that
Jan 28 11:38:44 <jlazaroff> it calls my authenticate() function fine
Jan 28 11:39:02 <jlazaroff> but authenticate() doesn't call the other functions in the class
Jan 28 11:39:35 <fanatsumy> can you show how you are using it ?
Jan 28 11:39:57 <jlazaroff> i'll paste the scene assistant and the api.js file
Jan 28 11:40:47 <jlazaroff> http://pastebin.com/d39a23a93
Jan 28 11:40:47 <fanatsumy> ok
Jan 28 11:41:40 <jlazaroff> when i hit the signIn button, it calls authenticate(), which is in api.js
Jan 28 11:41:56 <fanatsumy> aha, and then?
Jan 28 11:41:58 <jlazaroff> that succeeds, because that error dialog pops up
Jan 28 11:42:04 <fanatsumy> ok
Jan 28 11:42:20 <fanatsumy> then onSuccess have to be called
Jan 28 11:42:25 <jlazaroff> authenticate() is supposed to call authenticateSuccess() or authenticateFailure(), depending on whether the http request succeeds or fails
Jan 28 11:42:36 <jlazaroff> both are in api.js as well, but neither one of them gets called
Jan 28 11:44:04 <swishy> swisstomcat, kick ass working thanks
Jan 28 11:44:12 <swishy> on that note bed time
Jan 28 11:44:16 * swishy waves to all
Jan 28 11:44:24 <jlazaroff> swishy: i think i gave up on sleep tonight -_-
Jan 28 11:44:25 <swisstomcat> bye
Jan 28 11:44:30 <jlazaroff> gnite!
Jan 28 11:44:34 <swisstomcat> 12:44pm here
Jan 28 11:44:36 <fanatsumy> So, the problem is with onSuccess: this.authenticateSuccess.bind(this, successCallback), i think
Jan 28 11:44:49 <jlazaroff> 6:44 am here :\
Jan 28 11:45:03 <swisstomcat> yeah, it should be this.searchCallback.bind(this)
Jan 28 11:45:13 <swisstomcat> i think
Jan 28 11:45:14 <fanatsumy> can you remove that and try to use  authenticateSuccess: function(response) {        Mojo.Controller.errorDialog("Success"); }
Jan 28 11:45:33 <fanatsumy> if it will works the problem is in the passing the second param
Jan 28 11:46:07 <swisstomcat> App.Api.authenticate("http://www.tumblr.com/api/authenticate", this.signInSuccess.bind(this)); to be precise
Jan 28 11:47:15 <jlazaroff> whoa, okay
Jan 28 11:47:20 <jlazaroff> let me try all of that
Jan 28 11:49:08 <swishy> swisstomcat, 12:49am here :)
Jan 28 11:49:33 <swishy> jlazaroff, know that feeling hehe
Jan 28 11:50:05 <jlazaroff> fanatsumy: no, that still doesn't get called
Jan 28 11:51:26 <fanatsumy> jlazaroff you can also try to call it in your assistant like that App.Api.authenticateSuccess = this.yourmethod.bind(this); App.Api.authenticate(...);
Jan 28 11:51:41 <fanatsumy> and in ajax request just type onSuccess: this.authenticateSuccess.bind(this),
Jan 28 11:53:09 <jlazaroff> so that'll make yourmethod() get called when authenticateSuccess gets called?
Jan 28 11:53:25 <fanatsumy> it will be called instead
Jan 28 11:53:43 <fanatsumy> but this solution is not pretty of course)
Jan 28 11:53:48 <fanatsumy> there is another oportunity too)
Jan 28 11:54:04 <fanatsumy> you can call App.Api.authenticate("http://www.tumblr.com/api/authenticate", this.signInSuccess);
Jan 28 11:54:16 <fanatsumy> and in authenticate
Jan 28 11:54:19 <jlazaroff> that's what i'm trying to get working
Jan 28 11:54:26 <fanatsumy> authenticate: function(url, successCallback) {
Jan 28 11:54:35 <fanatsumy> this.callback = successCallback;
Jan 28 11:54:45 <fanatsumy> and in authenticateSuccess:
Jan 28 11:54:51 <fanatsumy> this.callback();
Jan 28 11:55:32 <jlazaroff> yeah, i'm definitely going to try that
Jan 28 11:55:49 <jlazaroff> but first we need to get authenticateSuccess to work in the first place -_-
Jan 28 11:56:42 <jlazaroff> oh!
Jan 28 11:56:56 <jlazaroff> i think i may know that problem
Jan 28 11:57:15 <jlazaroff> it's trying to read from the models of text fields that aren't in the scope anymore
Jan 28 11:58:03 <fanatsumy> pass email and password as params of authenticarte
Jan 28 11:58:42 <fanatsumy> i think you're right, the problem is in params
Jan 28 11:59:07 <jlazaroff> YES
Jan 28 11:59:09 <fanatsumy> so, i recommend you to create Auth class instead this and initialize it in your assistant
Jan 28 11:59:11 <jlazaroff> okay, that fixed it
Jan 28 11:59:35 <jlazaroff> create an auth class, instantiate it and pass the object?
Jan 28 12:00:12 <fanatsumy> it will be more correct i think
Jan 28 12:01:04 <jlazaroff> yeah, you're probably right
Jan 28 12:05:51 <jlazaroff> um, how do i do that in javascript?
Jan 28 12:05:52 <jlazaroff> xD
Jan 28 12:06:07 <jlazaroff> sorry, pretty much all my programming experience is with C++
Jan 28 12:06:24 <fanatsumy> ill show you the example, wait 5 mins pls
Jan 28 12:06:33 <jlazaroff> fanatsumy: sure thing
Jan 28 12:06:40 <jlazaroff> thank you so much for your help, btw
Jan 28 12:07:35 <fanatsumy> not at all)
Jan 28 12:10:55 <jlazaroff> i'll outline what the class has to do while i wait :)
Jan 28 12:14:01 <fanatsumy> something like that http://pastebin.com/d1ce981d8
Jan 28 12:15:03 <fanatsumy> but just use authenticateSuccess: function(response) instead of authenticateSuccess: function(response, successCallback)
Jan 28 12:15:35 <jlazaroff> gotcha
Jan 28 12:15:55 <jlazaroff> there aren't constructors in javascript?
Jan 28 12:16:12 <fanatsumy> there aren't)
Jan 28 12:16:33 <jlazaroff> idk, it doesn't look like you have a constructor
Jan 28 12:16:38 <jlazaroff> or maybe the syntax is just different from c++
Jan 28 12:16:53 <fanatsumy> initialize is like a constructor
Jan 28 12:17:10 <fanatsumy> it calls when you create an object of a class
Jan 28 12:17:18 <fanatsumy> new Auth();
Jan 28 12:17:45 <jlazaroff> aaah
Jan 28 12:19:20 <jlazaroff> question: why do you have underscores in onSuccess: this._authenticateSuccess.bind(this), onFailure: this._authenticateFailure.bind(this)
Jan 28 12:23:56 <jlazaroff> and also, is it okay to create a new object every time the signIn button is hit, or should i create it in the scene setup and just set new email and password values every time the button is hit?
Jan 28 12:24:51 <jlazaroff> sorry, i know i ask a lot of questions -_-
Jan 28 12:25:32 <fanatsumy> underscores mean private methods)
Jan 28 12:26:47 <fanatsumy> if you need to use your auth few times you should pass the params in authetnticate method, not in initialize
Jan 28 12:27:14 <fanatsumy> or left callbacks in initialize but move url, email and password into authenticate
Jan 28 12:27:41 <fanatsumy> in that case you don't need to create new instance every time
Jan 28 12:28:48 <jlazaroff> if i create it in my setup function it'll be available to my other functions, right?
Jan 28 12:31:10 <fanatsumy> type in setup method this.auth = new Auth();
Jan 28 12:31:24 <fanatsumy> and use this.auth in other assisnant methods
Jan 28 12:38:18 <jlazaroff> that doesn't seem to be working
Jan 28 12:38:27 <atlanta> ayeee
Jan 28 12:38:28 <atlanta> goodmorning
Jan 28 12:38:36 <jlazaroff> my widgets don't instantiate when i do that
Jan 28 12:38:37 <jlazaroff> -_-
Jan 28 12:38:42 <fanatsumy> morning
Jan 28 12:38:45 <jlazaroff> good morning :)
Jan 28 12:38:52 <atlanta> any one have a pre in front of the,m
Jan 28 12:38:52 <atlanta> ?
Jan 28 12:38:58 <fanatsumy> jlazaroff you have to see into the log
Jan 28 12:39:04 <fanatsumy> maybe there are errors
Jan 28 12:39:23 <atlanta> Bmyers_: you up
Jan 28 12:39:23 <atlanta> ?
Jan 28 12:39:51 <fanatsumy> i don't have a pre in general)
Jan 28 12:40:56 <jlazaroff> fanatsumy: nevermind, it was a typo xD
Jan 28 12:43:55 <jlazaroff> fanatsumy: okay, this is working pretty much flawlessly
Jan 28 12:43:58 <jlazaroff> thank you so much :)
Jan 28 12:47:43 <fanatsumy> jlazaroff, not at all
Jan 28 12:51:34 <atlanta> anyone have a physical pre
Jan 28 12:51:35 <atlanta> ?
Jan 28 12:53:26 <jlazaroff> atlanta: i do :)
Jan 28 12:54:25 <atlanta> jlazaroff: check otu this glitch for it
Jan 28 12:54:30 <atlanta> i want to see if its just me
Jan 28 12:54:59 <atlanta> jlazaroff: get someones phonenumber out of your contacts but change the area code
Jan 28 12:55:07 <atlanta> jlazaroff: and leave the last 7 the same
Jan 28 12:55:14 <atlanta> you can pick a random area code
Jan 28 12:55:20 <atlanta> and see if they contact name still pops up
Jan 28 12:56:13 <jlazaroff> wait, what should happen?
Jan 28 13:01:23 <atlanta> when you push to call
Jan 28 13:01:31 <atlanta> their name should come up and picture
Jan 28 13:01:37 <atlanta> but dont have the same area code
Jan 28 13:04:56 <jlazaroff> so... what's the glitch?
Jan 28 13:06:14 <atlanta> lol  ok imma  try this again
Jan 28 13:06:24 <atlanta> dont use the persons
Jan 28 13:06:31 <atlanta>  area code
Jan 28 13:06:36 <atlanta> change their area code
Jan 28 13:07:16 <atlanta> so that your not calling the same person
Jan 28 13:07:28 <atlanta> but  when you call it their info still comes up
Jan 28 13:07:28 <atlanta> got it
Jan 28 13:07:29 <atlanta> ?
Jan 28 13:07:32 <jlazaroff> yes
Jan 28 13:07:35 <jlazaroff> but
Jan 28 13:07:40 <jlazaroff> what's the glitch?
Jan 28 13:07:49 <Bmyers_> what r u up to atlanta ?
Jan 28 13:08:22 <jlazaroff> oh - dial the NUMBER instead of hitting on the contact name, and their info will still come up?
Jan 28 13:08:40 <atlanta> yea without the right area code
Jan 28 13:08:44 <atlanta> Bmyers_: found a little glitcjh
Jan 28 13:08:57 <atlanta> Bmyers_: just seeing if it was me or everyone
Jan 28 13:09:03 <atlanta> Bmyers_: got your pre on you?
Jan 28 13:09:15 <Bmyers_> yes
Jan 28 13:10:04 <atlanta> test this out for me
Jan 28 13:10:08 <atlanta>  open the phone
Jan 28 13:10:13 <atlanta> dail someone number you know
Jan 28 13:10:18 <atlanta> thats in your contact
Jan 28 13:10:26 <atlanta> but give them a different area code
Jan 28 13:10:29 <atlanta> and click call
Jan 28 13:10:34 <jlazaroff> okay, guys, i gotta go get ready for class
Jan 28 13:10:36 <jlazaroff> thanks for all the help :)
Jan 28 13:10:38 <atlanta> jlazaroff: ttyl
Jan 28 13:11:15 <Bmyers_> interesting ...
Jan 28 13:12:02 <atlanta> yurp yurp
Jan 28 13:12:09 <atlanta> i was calling someone yesterday
Jan 28 13:12:21 <atlanta> and they so happening had the same number as a friend in a differnet area code
Jan 28 13:12:22 <atlanta> im like wtf
Jan 28 13:13:08 <Bmyers_> i wonder why they did that?
Jan 28 13:14:08 <Bmyers_> did u look at the code?
Jan 28 13:14:25 <fanatsumy> If someone can help i'll be glad http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=4776 )
Jan 28 13:23:05 <atlanta> Bmyers_: not yet
Jan 28 13:23:17 <atlanta> i will after i get this internalz on the hpphone
Jan 28 13:24:10 <Bmyers_> yeah i guess they only use XXX XXXX to lookup a number..
Jan 28 13:24:35 <atlanta> yup yup
Jan 28 13:24:41 <atlanta> thats what im guessing
Jan 28 13:26:48 <Bmyers_> that seems like a bad move...
Jan 28 13:30:01 <noaXess> swisstomcat: hey hey..
Jan 28 13:31:29 <atlanta> how does an awesome gui facebo00k
Jan 28 13:31:31 <atlanta>  app sound
Jan 28 13:31:31 <atlanta> ?
Jan 28 13:31:40 <atlanta> the ones we have now are too damn plain
Jan 28 13:31:50 <jlazaroff> wow, i have like 15 minutes left
Jan 28 13:32:22 <jlazaroff> anyone know how to add/remove widgets from a scene while it's on the scene stack?
Jan 28 13:34:02 <atlanta> .hide();
Jan 28 13:34:05 <atlanta> not sure about removing
Jan 28 13:37:40 <noaXess> i have a textfield and get the data this way: this.data = this.controller.get("textfield").innerHTML; i add some special string to this.data this way: this.data = this.data +'/mail'.. now i user the browser app to open this.data..
Jan 28 13:38:17 <noaXess> this.dat should be eg. www.google.ch/mail but the browser shows a informatio to download a file and in the adresse bar is this: www.google.ch /mail
Jan 28 13:38:24 <noaXess> there is a space before the /mail
Jan 28 13:38:28 <noaXess> any idea why?
Jan 28 13:42:00 <jlazaroff> not sure, but there's a better way to be getting your data from a textfield
Jan 28 13:42:17 <jlazaroff> you can check the value
Jan 28 13:42:42 <atlanta> depends on what kinda text field it is
Jan 28 13:43:06 <jlazaroff> oh, it does?
Jan 28 13:43:09 <jlazaroff> sorry, i'm new at this xD
Jan 28 13:44:40 <atlanta> jlazaroff: this.model.value
Jan 28 13:44:47 <atlanta> should be your way of retrieving it
Jan 28 13:44:59 <jlazaroff> atlanta: wait, that's exactly what i just said
Jan 28 13:45:21 <atlanta> where
Jan 28 13:45:22 <atlanta> ?
Jan 28 13:46:05 <jlazaroff> "jlazaroff: you can check the value"
Jan 28 13:46:28 <atlanta> opsssiee
Jan 28 13:46:33 <atlanta> well he didnt explain how
Jan 28 13:46:34 <atlanta>  :-)
Jan 28 13:46:37 <atlanta> so there u go
Jan 28 13:47:42 <atlanta> any facebookies on here
Jan 28 13:47:42 <atlanta> ?
Jan 28 13:48:20 <jlazaroff> okay, gotta go
Jan 28 13:48:21 <jlazaroff> class for real
Jan 28 13:48:29 <jlazaroff> hopefully we won't be doing anything and i can sneak back on here though :)
Jan 28 13:58:52 <noaXess> sorry.. was away..
Jan 28 13:59:03 <noaXess> so there is another way to get the content of a textfield.. right?
Jan 28 14:04:08 <noaXess> can i call this.mymodel.value fro another function? the model is setup in prototype.setup... and the value i want get in prototype.GO function..
Jan 28 14:04:59 <swisstomcat> hi noaXess
Jan 28 14:05:12 <swisstomcat> it should work
Jan 28 14:09:28 <noaXess> swisstomcat: but i get undefined.. i wil post my code..
Jan 28 14:09:32 <noaXess> pastebin :)
Jan 28 14:09:36 <swisstomcat> ok
Jan 28 14:11:09 <noaXess> http://paste.ubuntu.com/364589/
Jan 28 14:11:21 <noaXess> you need also the setup code?
Jan 28 14:11:57 <swisstomcat> what exactly is not working?
Jan 28 14:17:16 <noaXess> i have a textfield and get the data this way: this.data = this.controller.get("textfield").innerHTML; i add some special string to this.data this way: this.data = this.data +'/mail'.. now i user the browser app to open this.data..
Jan 28 14:17:27 <noaXess> this.dat should be eg. www.google.ch/mail but the browser shows a informatio to download a file and in the adresse bar is this: www.google.ch /mail
Jan 28 14:17:35 <noaXess> there is a space before the /mail
Jan 28 14:18:07 <swisstomcat> can't you get the textfield data from its model?
Jan 28 14:18:48 <swisstomcat> e.g this var mydata=mytexfieldmodel.value;
Jan 28 14:26:16 <ambackstrom> can i manually trigger the filter change event of a filterList?
Jan 28 14:26:43 <swisstomcat> did you try it?
Jan 28 14:27:03 <ambackstrom> i don't know what that code would look like
Jan 28 14:28:01 <swisstomcat> do you already have your filter function?
Jan 28 14:28:11 <ambackstrom> there is a Mojo.Event.filter and Mojo.Event.filterImmediate, but I don't know how to trigger them manually
Jan 28 14:28:14 <ambackstrom> I do
Jan 28 14:28:45 <swisstomcat> can you just call it .. e.g this.searchList("search",....)
Jan 28 14:29:01 <swisstomcat> depending on the parameters
Jan 28 14:29:31 <ambackstrom> ok. i was hoping there was a builtin, so i didn't need to specify the params
Jan 28 14:30:04 <swisstomcat> haven't played with the filterlist that much yet
Jan 28 14:34:20 <noaXess> swisstomcat: sorry.. writung a email.. :)
Jan 28 14:34:54 <noaXess> in my code i have: this.ZimbraHostInnerHTML = this.ZimbraHost_model.value; this in the second prototype.GO function
Jan 28 14:35:22 <noaXess> this.ZimbraHost_model.value ist defined in prototype.setup
Jan 28 14:35:32 <swisstomcat> ah, ok
Jan 28 14:37:43 <swisstomcat> how is OPEN called?
Jan 28 14:37:47 <swisstomcat> there are no parameters
Jan 28 14:53:15 <jlazaroff> hi everyone!
Jan 28 14:53:19 <swisstomcat> rehi
Jan 28 14:53:31 <noaXess> so.OPEN is called after the button is enabled (disabled: false)
Jan 28 14:53:31 <swisstomcat> how's your project coming along?
Jan 28 14:53:51 <jlazaroff> swisstomcat: me?  great :)
Jan 28 14:53:52 <noaXess> Mojo.Event.listen(this.controller.get('OPEN'),Mojo.Event.tap, this.OPEN.bind(this)); in setup
Jan 28 14:54:08 <noaXess> this.button_OPEN_Model.disabled = false; and this.controller.modelChanged(this.button_OPEN_Model, this); in GO
Jan 28 14:54:24 <swisstomcat> ok
Jan 28 14:55:02 <jlazaroff> i have more questions too xD
Jan 28 14:55:15 <swisstomcat> noaXess: and this.zimbraURL on line 24 is undefined?
Jan 28 14:55:32 <jlazaroff> is there any way for me to add/remove widgets in a scene while it's on the scene stack?
Jan 28 14:55:54 <swisstomcat> i think so
Jan 28 14:56:00 <swisstomcat> i saw an example yesterday
Jan 28 14:56:05 <swisstomcat> .remove() i think?
Jan 28 14:56:42 <swisstomcat> hey rwhitby
Jan 28 14:56:53 <jlazaroff> hm
Jan 28 14:57:04 <rwhitby> morning
Jan 28 14:57:31 <swisstomcat> back from your trip then?
Jan 28 14:59:26 <jlazaroff> actually, can i ask your advice on what the best way to implement this would be?
Jan 28 14:59:35 <jlazaroff> or just generally anyone who wants to chime in
Jan 28 14:59:45 <swisstomcat> go ahead
Jan 28 15:00:15 <jlazaroff> so my app will store a user's account info in a cookie
Jan 28 15:00:22 <jlazaroff> if there's no cookie for the account info, no delete button
Jan 28 15:00:36 <swisstomcat> makes sense
Jan 28 15:00:45 <jlazaroff> if there is a cookie, there is a delete button
Jan 28 15:00:57 <jlazaroff> if the user deletes their account info, it gets stored in a different cookie
Jan 28 15:01:12 <jlazaroff> and there's a restore button
Jan 28 15:02:53 <jlazaroff> so it's not actually like used in the app, it's just stored until they choose to put in a different account in case they decide to go back
Jan 28 15:03:07 <swisstomcat> ok
Jan 28 15:03:53 <jlazaroff> the two solutions i can think of are: separate widgets that get either added/removed or shown/hidden based on which cookie exists
Jan 28 15:04:10 <jlazaroff> and one widget that switches labels/functions based on which cookie exists
Jan 28 15:04:19 <jlazaroff> well
Jan 28 15:04:21 <jlazaroff> three solutions
Jan 28 15:05:03 <swisstomcat> in my app, i use a command-menu. i disable one if cookie data doesn't exist
Jan 28 15:06:49 <swisstomcat> one widget that switches labels/functions might work too .. but could also be confusing because it suddenly switches it's function .. unless it's absolutely clear what's happening
Jan 28 15:08:40 <jlazaroff> that's true
Jan 28 15:08:46 <jlazaroff> it's necessarily modal, though, i think
Jan 28 15:09:06 <jlazaroff> because you can't delete your account if there's no account to delete
Jan 28 15:09:11 <swisstomcat> yeah
Jan 28 15:09:19 <swisstomcat> so that solution could work too
Jan 28 15:09:43 <jlazaroff> the delete button will be negatively styled and the restore one will have the normal non-primary style
Jan 28 15:09:56 <noaXess> got it..
Jan 28 15:10:19 <noaXess> need to remove modelProperty in the attributes and add value to the model
Jan 28 15:10:43 <noaXess> how can i zoom in the emulator.. now i get an error message from the zibmra server.. but it's really small :)
Jan 28 15:11:56 <swisstomcat> double left mouse click apparently
Jan 28 15:12:33 <swisstomcat> yep, that works
Jan 28 15:13:01 <noaXess> mine not :(
Jan 28 15:13:23 <swisstomcat> depends where you double click
Jan 28 15:13:32 <noaXess> on the text
Jan 28 15:17:39 <swisstomcat> if i double-click on a textfield in the browser, it zooms in
Jan 28 15:18:57 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: still in Tokyo - leave for home tomorrow night (actually tonight I guess, it's just gone midnight here)
Jan 28 15:19:29 <ambackstrom> i'd like to toggle a list row's highlight on tap. could somebody point me in the right direction?
Jan 28 15:19:47 <noaXess> swisstomcat: but not normal text..
Jan 28 15:20:44 <swisstomcat> rwhitby: drinking warm sake? :)
Jan 28 15:21:16 <swisstomcat> ambackstrom: elaborate ...
Jan 28 15:21:23 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: yep, was definitely doing that tonight, with some engineers from Sony :-)
Jan 28 15:21:30 <swisstomcat> did you see kleinhirn.ch, noaXess?
Jan 28 15:22:28 <ambackstrom> i want the user to be able to "favorite" items in a list by tapping them, so i need to detect a tap and color the row differently
Jan 28 15:22:42 <ambackstrom> i have my listTap handler, just not sure about the color change
Jan 28 15:23:32 <swisstomcat> change the style?
Jan 28 15:24:28 <noaXess> swisstomcat: kleinhirn.ch thats you?
Jan 28 15:24:34 <swisstomcat> yup
Jan 28 15:24:45 <swisstomcat> just finished the website
Jan 28 15:24:47 <noaXess> what a name..
Jan 28 15:24:52 <swisstomcat> good or bad?
Jan 28 15:25:29 <swisstomcat> the pre is your mobile kleinhirn
Jan 28 15:25:33 <noaXess> hm.. first think.. .. bad.. cause it's not a internation name..
Jan 28 15:26:09 <noaXess> my way is to build some apps for the community..
Jan 28 15:27:12 <swisstomcat> cerebellum.ch could work too
Jan 28 15:27:49 <atlanta> im back
Jan 28 15:28:21 <swisstomcat> i'm front
Jan 28 15:29:17 <noaXess> prebrain.com
Jan 28 15:29:28 <swisstomcat> peabrain :)
Jan 28 15:29:34 <swisstomcat> pre is not universal enough
Jan 28 15:29:42 <swisstomcat> unless i get pixiebrain.com too
Jan 28 15:29:42 <noaXess> prebrain.mobi
Jan 28 15:30:10 <noaXess> webosbrain.mobi
Jan 28 15:30:19 <noaXess> there are a lot of.. but.. later
Jan 28 15:30:46 <swisstomcat> zimbra .. doesn't look like you're trying a funambol client
Jan 28 15:32:11 <noaXess> swisstomcat: in the moment i learn basics.. after that i will build a funambol snycml client.. cause funambol has a zimbraconnector.. and funambol supports then also palm webos..
Jan 28 15:32:27 <swisstomcat> ah .. cool
Jan 28 15:32:29 <noaXess> funambol supports now a lot of mobile devices..
Jan 28 15:43:14 <swisstomcat> whoa, i submitted an app like half an hour ago and it's already "being reviewed"
Jan 28 15:44:24 <Bmyers_> it goes directly to being reviewed after u submit
Jan 28 15:44:32 <swisstomcat> oh
Jan 28 15:44:42 <swisstomcat> there goes my hope of a quick release :)
Jan 28 15:44:42 <Bmyers_> doesnt mean anything...
Jan 28 15:45:07 <Bmyers_> not saying that.. but it doesnt mean someone it actually reviewing it right now..
Jan 28 15:48:19 <atlanta> yup yup that could mean weeks
Jan 28 15:48:30 <atlanta> i got my update submitted in 1.5 days
Jan 28 15:48:32 <atlanta> i was amazed
Jan 28 15:48:37 <atlanta> that app is solid
Jan 28 15:48:40 <atlanta> now on to the next one
Jan 28 15:48:43 <swisstomcat> well, wait and see in that case
Jan 28 15:48:47 <swisstomcat> which one?
Jan 28 15:49:21 <jlazaroff> hm, not quite sure what i did here
Jan 28 15:49:37 <jlazaroff> anyone know what this means?http://pastebin.com/mc47cc2a
Jan 28 15:49:58 <swisstomcat> hmm
Jan 28 15:50:10 <swisstomcat> are you coming back from another scene when that happens?
Jan 28 15:50:51 <jlazaroff> i'm launching it
Jan 28 15:50:56 <jlazaroff> i really have no idea what i did
Jan 28 15:50:56 <jlazaroff> -_-
Jan 28 15:51:08 <atlanta> u dont have an id set rigtht sumwher
Jan 28 15:51:30 <swisstomcat> what do you have in activate?
Jan 28 15:52:25 <jlazaroff> nothing
Jan 28 15:56:51 <swisstomcat> hallo
Jan 28 15:57:17 <maik> morning
Jan 28 15:57:25 <swisstomcat> morning
Jan 28 16:02:01 <swisstomcat> hey blue man
Jan 28 16:07:04 <nacron> Is there a way to use the datepicker without a label?
Jan 28 16:07:20 <swisstomcat> let me check
Jan 28 16:07:56 <swisstomcat> did you try with an empty label?
Jan 28 16:08:02 <nacron> yes
Jan 28 16:08:06 <swisstomcat> and?
Jan 28 16:08:09 <nacron> switches to default
Jan 28 16:09:02 <nacron> works with a space but it's not a nice sollution :)
Jan 28 16:09:21 <swisstomcat> hehe
Jan 28 16:11:49 <jlazaroff> argh, i got set back a decent amount
Jan 28 16:12:01 <jlazaroff> can someone help me figure out why my onSuccess and onFailure functions aren't calling?
Jan 28 16:12:02 <jlazaroff> http://pastebin.com/d28eaab79
Jan 28 16:12:08 <jlazaroff> i HAD this working, dammit
Jan 28 16:12:12 <jlazaroff> i have no idea what i did
Jan 28 16:12:50 <swisstomcat> which ones aren't calling?
Jan 28 16:13:39 <jlazaroff> authenticate() calls; authenticateSuccess() and authenticateFailure() don't
Jan 28 16:15:16 <swisstomcat> any errors in the log?
Jan 28 16:15:23 <sugardave> sorry, your code uses 'Class.create'....can't help you :D
Jan 28 16:15:31 <jlazaroff> sugardave: is that bad?
Jan 28 16:15:33 <swisstomcat> yeah, what's that?
Jan 28 16:15:42 <sugardave> not bad, just a different way that I don't know
Jan 28 16:16:06 <sugardave> I'm just teasing you, I can probably understand it
Jan 28 16:16:15 <swisstomcat> jlazaroff: doesn't have something to to with private functions (_) .. did you change something?
Jan 28 16:16:55 <sugardave> he doesn't have to...it's just a convention
Jan 28 16:17:07 <jlazaroff> swisstomcat: i don't think so.  the guy that was helping me before (can't remember the nick) helped me put this in a class.  also, how do i clear my log?  it's getting kinda long
Jan 28 16:17:33 <sugardave> but what I'm wondering is if the back-end TRULY wants email/password in plain text, or if it's doing basic auth and wants base64 encoded stuff, or if it's a forms auth....
Jan 28 16:18:00 <sugardave> jlazaroff: you need to be ssh'd into the emu...then can do something like:  echo /dev/null > /var/log/messages
Jan 28 16:18:03 <jlazaroff> sugardave: for the API?  you're just supposed to send a POST request with the username and password
Jan 28 16:18:08 <sugardave> okay
Jan 28 16:18:58 <Bmyers_> come on sugardave
Jan 28 16:19:42 <sugardave> jlazaroff: try this and see if you get a log with the 'response' object
Jan 28 16:19:47 <codeslaw_> hey all
Jan 28 16:19:51 <sugardave> http://pastebin.com/d5867ae34
Jan 28 16:20:19 <jlazaroff> sugardave: oh, if i do Mojo.Controller.errorDialog("blarg"), that gets called
Jan 28 16:20:45 <swisstomcat> hey codeslaw .. heard anything new regarding canvas?
Jan 28 16:21:02 <sugardave> oh wait a second...where/what is this.successCallback?
Jan 28 16:21:29 <sugardave> oh, I see it
Jan 28 16:21:36 <swisstomcat> it's passed in
Jan 28 16:21:41 <swisstomcat> via the options
Jan 28 16:21:47 <codeslaw_> swisstomcat: nope =(
Jan 28 16:21:57 <sugardave> jlazaroff: what are you passing in as options.callBack?
Jan 28 16:22:07 <sugardave> er options.successCallback
Jan 28 16:22:13 <swisstomcat> jlazaroff: time to add Mojo.Log.info("step x"); to see what it's doing
Jan 28 16:22:42 <jlazaroff> sugardave: a function in the assistant
Jan 28 16:22:47 <sugardave> jlazaroff: yeah, and Mojo.Log.inf(Object.toJSON(response)); will show if you're gettin a response back at all
Jan 28 16:22:58 <sugardave> jlazaroff: I gathered that :P  what does it do?
Jan 28 16:23:13 <codeslaw_> hey if anyone is around today and one of the palm engineers stops by again, would you mind sending me a PM
Jan 28 16:23:18 <MetaView> hi
Jan 28 16:23:24 <swisstomcat> will do
Jan 28 16:23:29 <swisstomcat> if i catch one
Jan 28 16:23:30 <codeslaw_> i'm idling in here all day, but don't necessarily check the whole time
Jan 28 16:23:30 <codeslaw_> thanks
Jan 28 16:23:41 <jlazaroff> sugardave: well, more than one scene needs to authenticate, but they each need to do different things if authentication succeeds/fails
Jan 28 16:24:10 <jlazaroff> so the callback function in the scene assistant will get called instead of the one in the class file
Jan 28 16:24:41 <codeslaw_> the thing is, the features i need - imagedata, dataToURL, are all readily available in Flash.  and I happen to be a professional flash developer for an ad agency
Jan 28 16:24:53 <codeslaw_> but, i would much rather have it all done in canvas
Jan 28 16:25:07 <codeslaw_> because i feel like it's more of an accomplishment
Jan 28 16:25:18 <swisstomcat> flash is coming to the pre soon
Jan 28 16:25:30 <codeslaw_> i know
Jan 28 16:25:30 <swisstomcat> but canvas is pretty cool too
Jan 28 16:25:42 <swisstomcat> especially if you want to write an ipad version later :)
Jan 28 16:25:47 <codeslaw_> the flash display model blows it out of the water
Jan 28 16:26:06 <sugardave> jlazaroff: so, the question remains, are you getting a response back at all?
Jan 28 16:26:09 <codeslaw_> ya, well and javascript -> actionscript is one of the easiest ports i can think of
Jan 28 16:26:54 <codeslaw_> psh ipad... i'll write an HP Slate version
Jan 28 16:27:27 <swisstomcat> since the ipad already has an painting app
Jan 28 16:27:42 <codeslaw_> brushes -> identical to the iPhone app
Jan 28 16:28:17 <swisstomcat> codeslaw: could i get your opinion on kleinhirn.ch?
Jan 28 16:28:25 <jlazaroff> [20100128-11:28:11.662993] error: Uncaught ReferenceError: response is not defined
Jan 28 16:28:27 <codeslaw_> sure
Jan 28 16:28:46 <swisstomcat> where is that?
Jan 28 16:28:58 <swisstomcat> in the auothenticate* functions?
Jan 28 16:28:59 <sugardave> jlazaroff: that's interesing...you replaced your onSuccess callback with my function?
Jan 28 16:29:06 <jlazaroff> sugardave: yup
Jan 28 16:30:27 <sugardave> so...what would cause a successful http request to return NO response?
Jan 28 16:30:55 <codeslaw_> swisstomcat: nice and clean, but the color scheme is a little dry.  i would want to make a white, or light gray (#a9a9a9+) white column background behind all the site content, and leave the blue outside the content area
Jan 28 16:31:22 <swisstomcat> thank you .. i'll look at the color
Jan 28 16:31:34 <jlazaroff> sugardave: i have... no idea
Jan 28 16:31:35 <noaXess> swisstomcat: was out.. playing in th snow with my sun :)
Jan 28 16:31:43 <noaXess> bye the way.. i got my problem fixed.. :)
Jan 28 16:31:48 <swisstomcat> really?
Jan 28 16:31:53 <codeslaw_> texas would like some snow please
Jan 28 16:31:59 <swisstomcat> it's nice outside .. our street is a schlittelbahn
Jan 28 16:32:24 <jlazaroff> THIS WAS WORKING BEFORE
Jan 28 16:32:28 <sugardave> jlazaroff: you said this was working before, you didn't change anything, and now it's stopped?  can you access the url with a browser?
Jan 28 16:33:24 <jlazaroff> yes
Jan 28 16:33:26 <jlazaroff> i don't know WHAT i did
Jan 28 16:33:30 * sugardave was writing a GameFly Q manager app for fun and they decided to do maintenance while I was testing.  "I about pulled my hair out."
Jan 28 16:34:03 <swisstomcat> codeslaw: i'm trying #a9a9a9 .. probably have to pad it a bit
Jan 28 16:34:48 <codeslaw_> most likely
Jan 28 16:34:57 <codeslaw_> that might be too dark also
Jan 28 16:35:00 <deliciousmorsel> rgba > hex
Jan 28 16:35:12 <sugardave> jlazaroff: are you calling this from a different scene than when you had it working?
Jan 28 16:35:12 <swisstomcat> and the pre will stick out of that content area
Jan 28 16:35:27 <swisstomcat> deliciousmorsel: will convert to rgb(a)
Jan 28 16:35:36 <codeslaw_> make the column fill the vertical space of the browser
Jan 28 16:35:52 <swisstomcat> i see .. let's try
Jan 28 16:37:27 <jlazaroff> nope, still account
Jan 28 16:40:23 <jlazaroff> maybe this has something to do with it?
Jan 28 16:40:23 <jlazaroff> [20100128-11:39:03.460069] error: Uncaught TypeError: Cannot call method 'bind' of undefined
Jan 28 16:40:40 <MetaView> that's bad
Jan 28 16:41:01 <jlazaroff> but everything's defined!
Jan 28 16:41:08 <swisstomcat> try again, codeslaw ...
Jan 28 16:41:20 <MetaView> jlazaroff: nope, probably not
Jan 28 16:41:28 <deliciousmorsel> lol
Jan 28 16:41:59 <MetaView> put debug output around your bind() places
Jan 28 16:42:10 <MetaView> you need to find out, where it happens
Jan 28 16:42:42 <swisstomcat> deliciousmorsel: rgba works better
Jan 28 16:42:43 <sugardave> yeah, bind is kind of important
Jan 28 16:43:04 <deliciousmorsel> gotta love the rgba
Jan 28 16:43:14 <deliciousmorsel> the rgbA <— most important part
Jan 28 16:43:20 <swisstomcat> unless you have a shitty browser
Jan 28 16:43:31 <swisstomcat> yeah: rgba(210,210,210,0.8)
Jan 28 16:43:40 <swisstomcat> deliciousmorsel: www.kleinhirn.ch
Jan 28 16:44:05 <deliciousmorsel> looks fluid
Jan 28 16:44:28 <deliciousmorsel> do this
Jan 28 16:44:30 * sugardave is jealous of web people.  "See my efforts: www.golmlsoftware.com."
Jan 28 16:44:37 <sugardave> er gomlsoftware.com
Jan 28 16:44:47 <MetaView> hehe
Jan 28 16:45:06 <swisstomcat> frontpage? ;)
Jan 28 16:45:14 <deliciousmorsel> background-color: rgba( 210, 210, 210, 0.8); -background-color: #B5BDC3;
Jan 28 16:45:24 <sugardave> no, Drupal with no theme customizations
Jan 28 16:45:26 <swisstomcat> for shitty browsers?
Jan 28 16:45:46 <swisstomcat> looking pretty good, sugardave
Jan 28 16:45:55 <sugardave> yeah, that's all the default shit :P
Jan 28 16:46:02 <codeslaw_> swiss, it's too dark, try the color deliciousmorsel gave you
Jan 28 16:46:19 <swisstomcat> one mom
Jan 28 16:46:40 <swisstomcat> what does the -background-color do?
Jan 28 16:46:45 <LoneStar99> GM everyone
Jan 28 16:46:51 <swisstomcat> howdy
Jan 28 16:47:46 <swisstomcat> better now? i used 220,220,220
Jan 28 16:48:10 <swisstomcat> good idea to have a forum, sugardave
Jan 28 16:48:52 <swisstomcat> even went to 0.9 alpha .. it's brighter
Jan 28 16:48:54 <deliciousmorsel> use irc://irc.freenode.net/#B5BDC3
Jan 28 16:49:06 <swisstomcat> ?
Jan 28 16:49:10 <jlazaroff> how do i clear my log again?
Jan 28 16:49:19 <deliciousmorsel> wait nvm swiss
Jan 28 16:49:26 <deliciousmorsel> use —> #CCD0D3
Jan 28 16:49:33 <sugardave> jlazaroff: you need to be ssh'd into the emu...then can do something like:  echo /dev/null > /var/log/messages
Jan 28 16:49:35 <deliciousmorsel> thats the equiv of the rgba with the blue under it
Jan 28 16:49:48 <jlazaroff> sugardave: how do i ssh in the the emulator?
Jan 28 16:49:56 <swisstomcat> instead of rgba or just to add for "old" browsers?
Jan 28 16:50:04 <deliciousmorsel> you could just use #CCD0D3
Jan 28 16:50:09 <sugardave> I use putty...port 5522 username: root no password
Jan 28 16:50:22 <deliciousmorsel> since all browsers can read that
Jan 28 16:50:38 <swisstomcat> hey chuq
Jan 28 16:50:57 <deliciousmorsel> chuqui is here?
Jan 28 16:50:59 <deliciousmorsel> damn.
Jan 28 16:51:12 <sugardave> hide the otters
Jan 28 16:51:13 <deliciousmorsel> he never answers my emails :(
Jan 28 16:51:28 <swisstomcat> chuq: not to be a pain, but the image on developer.palm.com is still wrong :)
Jan 28 16:51:32 <sugardave> you have to send more
Jan 28 16:51:36 <sugardave> MORE
Jan 28 16:51:39 <sugardave> MORE EMAILS
Jan 28 16:51:54 <MetaView> which image?
Jan 28 16:51:58 <maik> we need more e-mails!
Jan 28 16:52:01 * maik starts patting his legs
Jan 28 16:52:05 <sugardave> just trying to help you out, chuqui
Jan 28 16:52:12 <maik> anyone with kids should get that reference
Jan 28 16:52:14 <swisstomcat> metaview: the image under the pdk text is the sdk-image, not the pdk image
Jan 28 16:52:20 <chuqui> morning!
Jan 28 16:52:32 <MetaView> ok
Jan 28 16:52:33 <digitalpowers> keeeeeep patting!
Jan 28 16:52:34 <chuqui> swisstomcat -- it's being fixed in an update soon
Jan 28 16:52:40 <swisstomcat> horray :)
Jan 28 16:52:42 <maik> heh
Jan 28 16:52:42 <MetaView> haven't notice it
Jan 28 16:52:50 <MetaView> I'm not looking on the pictures
Jan 28 16:52:55 <swisstomcat> apparently
Jan 28 16:53:02 <swisstomcat> using a screenreader? :)
Jan 28 16:53:16 <sugardave> chuqui: how are email subscriptions/pms for the forum coming along? :D
Jan 28 16:53:56 <MetaView> swisstomcat: concentrating on the important ftrs, maybe?
Jan 28 16:54:47 <sugardave> uh-oh, I made him explode
Jan 28 16:54:53 <swisstomcat> it seems pretty obvious if you look at it ... "plug-in development kit ...." SDK image
Jan 28 16:55:10 <swisstomcat> but a small thing, i agree
Jan 28 16:55:18 <sugardave> but it has a plug on it
Jan 28 16:55:20 <MetaView> Still nobody here with some experience in AdMob?
Jan 28 16:55:27 <swisstomcat> i'd rather be accepted as an early access developer :)
Jan 28 16:55:31 <sugardave> it's the 'Plugin SDK' hybrid
Jan 28 16:55:39 <MetaView> oh, ok
Jan 28 16:55:42 <swisstomcat> but the SKD is not a plugin
Jan 28 16:55:51 <MetaView> there is SDK written, well, is the PDK not also a SDK?
Jan 28 16:56:00 <sugardave> MetaView: I had SOME experience just getting it to work, but I haven't used them
Jan 28 16:56:07 <MetaView> a plugin will be also a piece of software?
Jan 28 16:56:19 <swisstomcat> splitting hairs now
Jan 28 16:56:22 <MetaView> I need some insides about the eCPM
Jan 28 16:56:37 <MetaView> swisstomcat: still have some hairs :D
Jan 28 16:56:40 <sugardave> you're going to have to stay up later to talk to the man....reality9110
Jan 28 16:56:54 <MetaView> well, it's difficult
Jan 28 16:57:08 <MetaView> I need to go to bed once
Jan 28 16:57:23 <MetaView> and he doesn't appear before
Jan 28 16:57:41 <swisstomcat> removed the text-shadow, deliciousmorsel, codeslaw .. menu looks clearer
Jan 28 16:57:46 <MetaView> I could catch him in the morning, maybe, but that's the busy times here
Jan 28 16:57:46 <sugardave> take a nap...then get up...I think he got on about an hour after you left the other day
Jan 28 16:57:49 <swisstomcat> ping codeslaw_
Jan 28 16:58:04 <MetaView> sugardave: ok, thx
Jan 28 16:58:25 <codeslaw_> swisstomcat: much better, just need to darken the logo
Jan 28 16:58:34 <swisstomcat> the logo?
Jan 28 16:58:49 <swisstomcat> the main title you mean?
Jan 28 16:59:06 <swisstomcat> i agree, i kinda sticks out
Jan 28 16:59:39 <codeslaw_> yes
Jan 28 17:00:00 <chuqui> email subscriptions. I need to go take a look at the status
Jan 28 17:00:07 <MetaView> swisstomcat: do you change anything on your website?
Jan 28 17:00:14 <MetaView> Can't see a difference
Jan 28 17:00:17 <swisstomcat> metaview: some color changes
Jan 28 17:00:38 <swisstomcat> reload
Jan 28 17:00:39 <sugardave> chuqui: I need it so I can put the smackdown on fools...I mean help people
Jan 28 17:00:42 <MetaView> hm, I'm visual blind as it looks like, how can I still write code?
Jan 28 17:00:44 <swisstomcat> the blue has moved to the sides
Jan 28 17:00:55 <MetaView> ok
Jan 28 17:01:45 <MetaView> when will create Palm a breakfast plate with WebOS?
Jan 28 17:01:52 <swisstomcat> good question
Jan 28 17:02:03 <swisstomcat> just use the rolling pin on a pre
Jan 28 17:02:31 <MetaView> it would be cool, if you reall can make your rolls on it and put it into the dishing machine and still be able to read emails and stuff in the morning
Jan 28 17:02:59 <swisstomcat> or a cutting board
Jan 28 17:03:02 <sugardave> Palm's webOS tablet to be microwave-safe?  that's awesome
Jan 28 17:03:33 <swisstomcat> codeslaw: not 100% happy yet .. needs to stick out more
Jan 28 17:03:42 <MetaView> then I would get my morning paper directly on the table and no questions anymore about "no reading during breakfast" .)
Jan 28 17:04:05 <swisstomcat> how would one add a black 1 pixel border and a white 1 pixel border around the boxes?
Jan 28 17:04:13 <swisstomcat> to make it more "3D"
Jan 28 17:04:33 <codeslaw_> nested divs
Jan 28 17:04:34 <MetaView> put a shadow beneath?
Jan 28 17:04:48 <sugardave> border-bottom, border-left, border-top, border-right ?
Jan 28 17:05:14 <swisstomcat> http://media.24ways.org/2009/24/step4-3.png
Jan 28 17:05:16 <swisstomcat> like this
Jan 28 17:05:18 <MetaView> swisstomcat: do you know de.selfhtml.org?
Jan 28 17:05:23 <swisstomcat> yeah
Jan 28 17:05:26 <chuqui> I'm still waiting for the accessory to make it bathtub safe
Jan 28 17:05:49 <swisstomcat> just put it in a freezer bag if you want to read in the tub
Jan 28 17:05:55 <sugardave> swisstomcat: that looks like "groove" border style
Jan 28 17:06:12 <MetaView> sometimes I fear chuqui isn't working at all...
Jan 28 17:06:16 <swisstomcat> (06:05:48 PM) swisstomcat: just put it in a freezer bag if you want to read in the tub
Jan 28 17:06:32 <swisstomcat> yeah, i'm awaiting a response regarding early developer access
Jan 28 17:06:33 <LoneStar99> swisstomcat: is that plane + trains image yours?
Jan 28 17:06:37 <swisstomcat> nope
Jan 28 17:06:44 <swisstomcat> http://24ways.org/2009/make-your-mockup-in-markup
Jan 28 17:06:55 <swisstomcat> it's my inspiration
Jan 28 17:07:21 <swisstomcat> doesn't have that box a black border and a white stripe at the top?
Jan 28 17:07:29 <swisstomcat> and a drop-shadow
Jan 28 17:07:38 <jlazaroff> okay, i'm stumped
Jan 28 17:07:40 <jlazaroff> literally
Jan 28 17:07:43 <swisstomcat> good site btw
Jan 28 17:07:46 <jlazaroff> all i did was open and close appinfo.json
Jan 28 17:07:54 <jlazaroff> and now a scene doesn't even come up
Jan 28 17:07:54 <swisstomcat> and?
Jan 28 17:08:03 <swisstomcat> did you change something?
Jan 28 17:08:06 <jlazaroff> no
Jan 28 17:08:12 <jlazaroff> i think komodo is the culprit here
Jan 28 17:08:13 <swisstomcat> it's easy to miss a , or }
Jan 28 17:08:23 <chuqui> metaview -- ssssh! you're interrupting my Mafia Wars!
Jan 28 17:08:32 <sugardave> jlazaroff: do you have "support info" in your appinfo.json?
Jan 28 17:08:45 <MetaView> chuqui: sry, I thought you running for another bird right now
Jan 28 17:08:51 <chuqui> early access is, um, delayed. they broke my ability to add people, and engineering is working on a fix.
Jan 28 17:09:01 <swisstomcat> :(
Jan 28 17:09:08 <swisstomcat> :'(
Jan 28 17:09:10 <MetaView> have you seen the girl i nthe link above? She is watching owl...
Jan 28 17:09:19 <swisstomcat> they seem to break it a lot lately
Jan 28 17:09:28 <MetaView> engineers :)
Jan 28 17:09:37 <sugardave> chugga-chugga
Jan 28 17:09:51 <jlazaroff> sugardave: nope
Jan 28 17:09:56 <swisstomcat> metaview: she's an owl person
Jan 28 17:10:32 <sugardave> jlazaroff: that's the only major problem I've seen with templarian's extension, doesn't handle the appinfo well when using the support block
Jan 28 17:10:49 <sugardave> jlazaroff: sounds like time to reset/reboot/retry
Jan 28 17:11:09 <swisstomcat> oh
Jan 28 17:11:12 <Templarian> Yea, I need to completely rewrite that whole part was waiting till 1.4 with all these new appinfo setups.
Jan 28 17:11:42 <swisstomcat> it seems that they use a black border an a gradient with a white stripe as a background
Jan 28 17:11:51 <sugardave> Templarian: don't forget my other request..make timing enabled be a separate secltion for the framework_config options
Jan 28 17:12:01 <MetaView> Templarian: cool, some update would be nice
Jan 28 17:12:27 <sugardave> please
Jan 28 17:13:00 <jlazaroff> sugardave: what, the emulator?  my computer?  komodo?
Jan 28 17:13:19 * Templarian wishes life wasn't so busy. :(
Jan 28 17:14:46 <sugardave> I'd start with emu + komodo
Jan 28 17:16:01 <jlazaroff> sugardave: ...that fixed it
Jan 28 17:16:15 <maik> komodo ftw
Jan 28 17:16:24 <jlazaroff> i restarted the emulator, actually
Jan 28 17:16:51 <jlazaroff> i guess the thing to keep in mind is that this is a pretty creaky system
Jan 28 17:17:06 <swisstomcat> now it's working?
Jan 28 17:17:19 <jlazaroff> swisstomcat: yup.  didn't change a thing, just restarted the emulator
Jan 28 17:17:20 <jlazaroff> -_-
Jan 28 17:17:25 <swisstomcat> weird
Jan 28 17:20:14 <sugardave> jlazaroff: what platform are you on?
Jan 28 17:20:28 <sugardave> oh just the emu
Jan 28 17:20:29 <sugardave> nvm
Jan 28 17:20:55 <sugardave> on my win xp komodo leaks...so after 5-6 days of having it open, I actually have to reboot my machine to get everything to play nice again
Jan 28 17:22:50 <deliciousmorsel> chuqui - ever get my emails?
Jan 28 17:23:00 <deliciousmorsel> or tweets
Jan 28 17:23:06 <jlazaroff> sugardave: os x
Jan 28 17:26:32 <jlazaroff> okay, now onto the question i was trying to ask like three hours ago, before all this started
Jan 28 17:27:01 <jlazaroff> how might i go about getting a button to switch labels/functions mid-scene?
Jan 28 17:27:22 <swisstomcat> change the model of the button?
Jan 28 17:27:22 <sugardave> if that's a property set in the model, piece of cake
Jan 28 17:27:24 <FreeTim> change the inner.html of it and then refresh the widget?
Jan 28 17:27:40 <sugardave> if it's in the attrs, MUCH harder
Jan 28 17:28:18 <swisstomcat> the label is in the model
Jan 28 17:28:25 <swisstomcat> this.model = {
Jan 28 17:28:28 <swisstomcat> label: "OK",
Jan 28 17:28:31 <swisstomcat> disabled: false
Jan 28 17:28:34 <swisstomcat> });
Jan 28 17:29:07 <jlazaroff> sugardave: it's in the model
Jan 28 17:29:09 <sugardave> so , piece of cake it is
Jan 28 17:29:51 <sugardave> this.widgetButton.model.label = "New text"; this.controller.modelChnaged(this.widgetButton.model);
Jan 28 17:30:00 <sugardave> where widgetButton is the real variable thing
Jan 28 17:30:16 <sugardave> well, this.widgetButton is that
Jan 28 17:30:18 <swisstomcat> that should work i think
Jan 28 17:30:42 <maik> digitalpowers
Jan 28 17:31:23 <sugardave> jlazaroff: basically, you should have saved your attrs/model for the widget and used them during setupWidget...whatever vars you used there, change that model
Jan 28 17:32:12 <jlazaroff> sugardave: okay, implementing now
Jan 28 17:33:11 <MetaView> well, I forget what I wanted to ask...
Jan 28 17:33:46 <jlazaroff> also, how do i hide a widget?
Jan 28 17:34:05 <sugardave> jlazaroff: many ways, this.controller.get(id).hide(); can work
Jan 28 17:34:05 <jlazaroff> hide and show, i should say
Jan 28 17:34:08 <digitalpowers> maik
Jan 28 17:34:31 <maik> sorry, OTR is being a bastard and wanted to know if you just weren't responding or if the messages weren't getting through
Jan 28 17:34:43 <digitalpowers> probably not responding
Jan 28 17:34:45 <digitalpowers> i am dozing
Jan 28 17:34:55 <maik> ah, that'll happen
Jan 28 17:37:19 <swisstomcat> any gimpers here? how do i create a gradient from white to transparent?
Jan 28 17:38:12 <sugardave> seems posting my url here has resulted in 20 new spam accounts
Jan 28 17:38:18 <sugardave> oops
Jan 28 17:38:21 <swisstomcat> ouch
Jan 28 17:38:25 <swisstomcat> how does that work?
Jan 28 17:38:49 <sugardave> Drupal's registration system is probabl scripted...it's so they can try and post anon spam comments
Jan 28 17:39:43 <swisstomcat> found it .. there's a gradient type FG to transparent
Jan 28 17:40:07 <sugardave> swisstomcat: I operate GIMP and PS with hammers
Jan 28 17:40:12 <LoneStar99> i have a feed which does not parse correctly on mojo because a part is not enclosed in a  <tags></tags> ... it is an ajax call parsed via json
Jan 28 17:40:25 <swisstomcat> why is that, sugardave?
Jan 28 17:40:35 <sugardave> because I don't know what I'm doing
Jan 28 17:40:44 <sugardave> and I just smash around until I get something close ;)
Jan 28 17:40:55 <swisstomcat> lonestar: can you get the text, change it and then eval the json?
Jan 28 17:41:10 <swisstomcat> yeah, me too .. most of the time
Jan 28 17:41:18 <LoneStar99> the problem, it is not my feed a 3rd party feed
Jan 28 17:41:19 <sugardave> if it's coming in as real JSON, a la responseJSON, you don't need it to be in tags...
Jan 28 17:41:26 <swisstomcat> took a while until i had that transparent pre on my website
Jan 28 17:41:39 <swisstomcat> lonestar: change your parsing .. can you do that?
Jan 28 17:42:01 <swisstomcat> get the reponsetext, change it, evaljson
Jan 28 17:42:23 <swisstomcat> had to do that with a web-service that had some sort of script protection at the beginning
Jan 28 17:42:29 * sugardave loves responseJSON.  "It's so nice and easy."
Jan 28 17:42:50 <sugardave> more people should be outputting it
Jan 28 17:42:57 <deliciousmorsel> it requires the json headers though
Jan 28 17:42:58 <deliciousmorsel> right?
Jan 28 17:43:07 <deliciousmorsel> application/x-json
Jan 28 17:43:08 <LoneStar99> currently: <a href="">this text</a><tag>other text</tag> - does not work - but this works <tag1><a href="">this text</a></tag1><tag>other text</tag>
Jan 28 17:43:12 <deliciousmorsel> or application/json
Jan 28 17:43:51 <swisstomcat> oh
Jan 28 17:43:52 <sugardave> deliciousmorsel: yeah, but that's okay :D
Jan 28 17:44:00 <swisstomcat> now i know why my json webservice is not working
Jan 28 17:44:14 <swisstomcat> forgot the application/json header :)
Jan 28 17:44:16 <deliciousmorsel> lol
Jan 28 17:44:20 <deliciousmorsel> good thing i brought that up
Jan 28 17:44:22 <deliciousmorsel> as a side note
Jan 28 17:44:23 <sugardave> hehe
Jan 28 17:44:36 <swisstomcat> well, i was just evaling the responseText .. that worked too
Jan 28 17:44:43 <deliciousmorsel> yeah thats what i do
Jan 28 17:44:53 <swisstomcat> *shrug*
Jan 28 17:45:00 <LoneStar99> the issue at hand would it easier for the owner of the feed to add tags or me finding a fix to the no tags on the feed...
Jan 28 17:45:04 <sugardave> actually:
Jan 28 17:45:05 <deliciousmorsel> you can also specify in Ajax.Request to automatically eval it
Jan 28 17:45:08 <deliciousmorsel> or try to eval it
Jan 28 17:45:09 <sugardave> header('Content-type: application/json');  // this is the magic that sets responseJSON
Jan 28 17:46:05 <deliciousmorsel> 	•	application/ecmascript
Jan 28 17:46:05 <deliciousmorsel> 	•	application/javascript
Jan 28 17:46:05 <deliciousmorsel> 	•	application/x-ecmascript
Jan 28 17:46:05 <deliciousmorsel> 	•	application/x-javascript
Jan 28 17:46:05 <deliciousmorsel> 	•	text/ecmascript
Jan 28 17:46:06 <deliciousmorsel> 	•	text/javascript
Jan 28 17:46:08 <deliciousmorsel> 	•	text/x-ecmascript
Jan 28 17:46:10 <deliciousmorsel> 	•	text/x-javascript
Jan 28 17:46:16 <deliciousmorsel> those types work too
Jan 28 17:46:20 <sugardave> they'll all do it?
Jan 28 17:46:20 <sugardave> cool
Jan 28 17:47:05 <deliciousmorsel> you can also do this
Jan 28 17:47:13 <deliciousmorsel> new Ajax.Request(url , {evalJSON: true});
Jan 28 17:47:21 <deliciousmorsel> so the option of evalJSON to true
Jan 28 17:47:21 <deliciousmorsel> or 1
Jan 28 17:47:24 <deliciousmorsel> something truthy
Jan 28 17:47:29 <maik> oh heh, i suppose that's how i can avoid having to put evalJSON : force in my requests
Jan 28 17:47:37 <sugardave> yeah, I have that in my example, too...even though I shouldn't need it
Jan 28 17:47:41 <maik> rather "force"
Jan 28 17:48:07 <maik> also, the word truthy makes me want to punch someone in the head
Jan 28 17:48:11 <digitalpowers> i think the way to avoid force is to get your headers right on the call
Jan 28 17:48:12 <maik> no offense
Jan 28 17:48:19 <maik> right
Jan 28 17:48:23 <digitalpowers> yeah truthy = dumb
Jan 28 17:48:28 <sugardave> falsy - not a term that should be used in programming
Jan 28 17:48:50 <deliciousmorsel> hahah
Jan 28 17:48:56 <deliciousmorsel> well blame js
Jan 28 17:48:59 <deliciousmorsel> and many other languages
Jan 28 17:49:45 <swisstomcat> bbl .. dinner time
Jan 28 17:50:52 <maik> boolean is what it is, anyone who says otherwise is a commie
Jan 28 17:51:16 <deliciousmorsel> its not a bool though
Jan 28 17:51:39 <deliciousmorsel> false == "0"
Jan 28 17:51:40 <LoneStar99> easy fix, gonna email the feed owner to add tags to the feed...
Jan 28 17:51:41 <deliciousmorsel> in js
Jan 28 17:51:52 <deliciousmorsel> false == 0
Jan 28 17:51:56 <deliciousmorsel> false == null
Jan 28 17:52:00 <maik> hmm
Jan 28 17:52:12 <deliciousmorsel> "0" is not a false … its falsy
Jan 28 17:52:14 <deliciousmorsel> only in js
Jan 28 17:52:15 <deliciousmorsel> lol
Jan 28 17:52:44 <maik> i suppose next you're going to tell me someone put some thought into this and that i should give all my money to the government for "redistribution"
Jan 28 17:52:46 <maik> COMMIE!!!
Jan 28 17:53:06 <maik> er, sorry... typo
Jan 28 17:53:10 <deliciousmorsel> guilty as charged.
Jan 28 17:53:19 * sugardave waits to be redistributed TO.
Jan 28 17:53:38 * sugardave will be waiting a long f-ing time.
Jan 28 17:54:17 <jlazaroff> so how exactly do i change models in the middle of a scene?
Jan 28 17:54:32 <deliciousmorsel> keep an instance of it
Jan 28 17:54:35 <deliciousmorsel> and modify it
Jan 28 17:54:54 <deliciousmorsel> this.model = {value: 'word'}
Jan 28 17:54:57 <sugardave> jlazaroff: armed with that object that has the model property, just do object.model.label = "my new label"; this.controller.modelChanged(object.model);
Jan 28 17:55:21 <deliciousmorsel> then modelChanged is correct
Jan 28 17:57:13 <jlazaroff> oh, but is there a way to swap between two models?
Jan 28 17:57:25 <jlazaroff> if i have like this.deleteAccountModel
Jan 28 17:57:30 <jlazaroff> and this.restoreAccountModel
Jan 28 17:57:52 <jlazaroff> can i swap between the two of them, or do i have to change their attributes individually?
Jan 28 17:58:13 <sugardave> jlazaroff: you can just replace the entire model property of the object, then call modelChanged
Jan 28 18:00:32 <haeffb_pre> setWidgetModel
Jan 28 18:00:51 <haeffb_pre> but why?
Jan 28 18:02:15 <sugardave> haeffb_pre: what is different between setWidgetModel and just replacing the whole thing?
Jan 28 18:04:55 <haeffb_pre> you can't replace the whole thing. you can only change the properties of the model. unless you use setWidgetModel.
Jan 28 18:05:28 <sugardave> really?  that's weird....I figure object.model = newModelProperties; would work
Jan 28 18:08:40 <jlazaroff> sugardave: wait, i can't do something like this     this.deleteRestoreAccount.model = this.restoreAccountModel;
Jan 28 18:08:41 <jlazaroff>     this.controller.modelChanged (this.deleteRestoreAccount.model);
Jan 28 18:09:16 <jlazaroff> where this.deleteRestoreAccount is my object and this.restoreAccountModel is my model?
Jan 28 18:09:58 <sugardave> I think so, though haeffb_pre seems to disagree
Jan 28 18:10:50 <jlazaroff> i mean it doesn't seem to work when i test it out
Jan 28 18:11:05 <sugardave> damn you haeffb_pre
Jan 28 18:11:22 <sugardave> you'll have to look into setWidgetModel, then I guess
Jan 28 18:13:05 <sugardave> I'm spoiled to using my extended widget methods
Jan 28 18:13:12 <jlazaroff> sugardave: yeah, it seems like that's the best choice
Jan 28 18:13:19 <jlazaroff> okay, i have to go
Jan 28 18:13:22 <jlazaroff> bye guys
Jan 28 18:13:23 <swisstomcat> cu
Jan 28 18:14:25 <sugardave> MetaView: I already loaded this URL for jlazaroff, but he's gone now...another example in here of apply in widget.execute():  http://webos101.com/Extended_widgets
Jan 28 18:15:32 <ambackstrom> Any strong opinions on Mojo.Depot, here?
Jan 28 18:15:43 <deliciousmorsel> its a great key value store
Jan 28 18:15:49 <haeffb_pre>  sugardave: I think the deal is that setupWidget saves a reference to the model object. you can change it but not replace it.
Jan 28 18:16:15 <sugardave> ambackstrom: go all out, skip the depot and just use sqlite
Jan 28 18:16:28 <deliciousmorsel> i disagree with sugerdave
Jan 28 18:16:33 <deliciousmorsel> if you need just a simple key->value store
Jan 28 18:16:35 <deliciousmorsel> then use it
Jan 28 18:17:03 <deliciousmorsel> if you need a full db for doing massive queries
Jan 28 18:17:03 <deliciousmorsel> or complex queries
Jan 28 18:17:04 <deliciousmorsel> then go sql lite
Jan 28 18:17:07 <sugardave> why not cookies, then?
Jan 28 18:17:16 <deliciousmorsel> cookies have a 4k limit
Jan 28 18:17:20 <sugardave> ah, okay
Jan 28 18:17:29 <deliciousmorsel> i do like cookies though
Jan 28 18:17:37 <deliciousmorsel> cause its not async
Jan 28 18:17:45 <sugardave> yeah, that's nice
Jan 28 18:17:46 <deliciousmorsel> where depot/sqlite are both async
Jan 28 18:18:06 <sugardave> though I'm ][ (that close) to getting a real synch system happening with mojo db
Jan 28 18:18:22 <deliciousmorsel> yeah but is it locking?
Jan 28 18:18:25 <deliciousmorsel> and how are you doing it?
Jan 28 18:18:37 <sugardave> just some minor annoyances with Mojo.Function.synchronize
Jan 28 18:18:41 <sugardave> nah, it's not locking
Jan 28 18:18:51 <sugardave> I jus tmean synched to Mojo object space
Jan 28 18:19:10 <sugardave> so, I can make sure all things are loaded where they need to be before a scene (or whatever) happens
Jan 28 18:19:31 <Bmyers_> depot and sql are the same underlying technology. sql.. depot is a wrapper..
Jan 28 18:19:36 <sugardave> deliciousmorsel: I've been playing with the synchronizer...I think it's broken
Jan 28 18:19:57 <sugardave> but I'll be damned if I'm going to type all that shit up...
Jan 28 18:20:02 <sugardave> it's a beast to prove the problem
Jan 28 18:20:04 <Bmyers_> you have sqlite and sqlstupid..
Jan 28 18:20:05 <deliciousmorsel> i've never even looked up the syncronizer
Jan 28 18:20:08 <deliciousmorsel> looking at it right now
Jan 28 18:20:22 <Bmyers_> sync is a tricky one..
Jan 28 18:20:54 <sugardave> basically, I have to wrap ONE MORE function than the ones I want to happen, so I cheat and use a 100ms timeout
Jan 28 18:21:04 <deliciousmorsel> lol
Jan 28 18:21:13 <deliciousmorsel> timeouts become your friend in js
Jan 28 18:21:36 <sugardave> it also makes it impossible for me to determine if the synchronizer is really working or not ;)
Jan 28 18:22:20 <sugardave> pretty confident it is...11 table creations, inserts, reads, then scene loads and object is ready to rock
Jan 28 18:22:51 <sugardave> but now, it is time for naplunch
Jan 28 18:22:56 <deliciousmorsel> lol
Jan 28 18:23:02 <Bmyers_> naplunch? wtf?
Jan 28 18:23:12 <deliciousmorsel> sleep and munch well
Jan 28 18:23:14 <Bmyers_> what do you again for a living?
Jan 28 18:23:30 <Bmyers_> govmnt work i bet..
Jan 28 18:23:32 <deliciousmorsel> he probably works fr the TSA
Jan 28 18:23:35 <swisstomcat> hehe
Jan 28 18:23:37 <Bmyers_> lol
Jan 28 18:23:40 <Bmyers_> faa
Jan 28 18:23:46 <Bmyers_> :)
Jan 28 18:23:58 <Bmyers_> thats funny...
Jan 28 18:24:07 <Bmyers_> you're a good man sugardave..
Jan 28 18:51:17 <jlazaroff> question: how can i disable custom items in my app menu for specific scenes?
Jan 28 18:51:32 <swisstomcat> in the model i think
Jan 28 18:51:41 <swisstomcat> the app menu model
Jan 28 18:54:25 <MetaView> jlazaroff: create an app menu for each scene?
Jan 28 18:54:37 <MetaView> that's what I usually do
Jan 28 18:56:32 <LoneStar99> does anyone have access to the app catalog?
Jan 28 18:56:53 <swisstomcat> let me check
Jan 28 18:57:00 <haeffb_pre> yep
Jan 28 18:57:26 <swisstomcat> yep
Jan 28 18:57:35 <LoneStar99> haeffb_pre: can you check how many downloads  my app has?
Jan 28 18:57:39 <frankos72> yep
Jan 28 18:57:56 <swisstomcat> which app?
Jan 28 18:58:01 <LoneStar99> buildasearch
Jan 28 18:58:32 <LoneStar99> have a pre, but do not have the password to the profile on my phone.. so no access to app catalong
Jan 28 18:58:32 <frankos72> 186
Jan 28 18:58:43 <LoneStar99> ok cool, what about comments?
Jan 28 18:58:58 <frankos72> 2 total for 5 stars
Jan 28 18:59:02 <swisstomcat> can't find the app
Jan 28 18:59:04 <Bmyers_> isnt there an online version that rwitby made to view that?
Jan 28 18:59:27 <frankos72> yes, there is....
Jan 28 18:59:29 <LoneStar99> yeah but rwitby version does not have downloads or comments
Jan 28 18:59:43 <Bmyers_> do you have the link?
Jan 28 18:59:49 <Bmyers_> i thought it did have that stats..
Jan 28 19:00:25 <LoneStar99> i dowloaded preware app
Jan 28 19:00:36 <frankos72> this page does:
Jan 28 19:00:37 <frankos72> http://catalog.webosschool.com/#AppDetails;id=1019
Jan 28 19:00:47 <frankos72> that's a link to the buildasearch page
Jan 28 19:00:47 <LoneStar99> of which i mistakenly deleted...
Jan 28 19:01:22 <frankos72> I don't know if that is rwhitby's or someone elses, but I do know it has a lot of stats.
Jan 28 19:01:41 <LoneStar99> ok, i notice when I log into my dev account, it says i only have 86 downloads
Jan 28 19:01:44 <swisstomcat> cool stuff
Jan 28 19:01:48 <Bmyers_> thanks
Jan 28 19:01:53 <Bmyers_> graph and everything..
Jan 28 19:02:12 <frankos72> np
Jan 28 19:02:20 <LoneStar99> yeah weboschool site is sweet check it everyday
Jan 28 19:03:00 <LoneStar99> anyone else notice a difference between downloads in da app catalog and there dev account?
Jan 28 19:03:24 <swisstomcat> cool, i put application tracking right into my app
Jan 28 19:03:44 <frankos72> LOL, I didn't know they had put a download count in the dev portal
Jan 28 19:03:45 <swisstomcat> to see which device has which version of which app
Jan 28 19:04:47 <LoneStar99> frankos72: "my apps" tab
Jan 28 19:04:55 <frankos72> that brings up an interesting point.... the next version of our app has a registration page on it.  Is there a way I can pull the users name and email address from their device to autofill the data fields?
Jan 28 19:04:56 <MetaView> the download counter on the app catalog viewer are total downloads
Jan 28 19:05:00 <MetaView> with updates etc.
Jan 28 19:05:43 <frankos72> funny, I had noticed that that page looked a little different but I didn't pay much attention as I was working on the submittal for our next update.
Jan 28 19:05:47 <LoneStar99> swisstomcat: how does your embedded app tracking work?
Jan 28 19:06:14 <swisstomcat> it pings my server at app startup with the deviceid,appid and version
Jan 28 19:06:31 <swisstomcat> then i check my database if it's already registered
Jan 28 19:06:56 <swisstomcat> good question frankos72
Jan 28 19:07:44 <frankos72> I spent over an hour searching precentral and Palms dev forums last night with no luck.  Try searching for "user name" or anything related.  THe results are astronomical.
Jan 28 19:08:00 <LoneStar99> swisstomcat: does it via an ajax call?
Jan 28 19:08:01 <swisstomcat> i'm just wondering if i should create a cookie and only hit the server the first time
Jan 28 19:08:08 <swisstomcat> lonestar: ack
Jan 28 19:09:01 <MetaView> frankos72: there is the account mgr?
Jan 28 19:11:29 <LoneStar99> swisstomcat: sounds interesting maybe I will add something similar... is it along set of code?
Jan 28 19:11:46 <swisstomcat> not really .. a few lines and then the server side processing
Jan 28 19:12:18 <swisstomcat> one line for the ajax call actually
Jan 28 19:12:36 <swisstomcat> if you write it in one line :)
Jan 28 19:14:38 <LoneStar99> kinda slow today, i think I got it: http://myserver.com/?=deviceid=123=appv=1.0.0. etc....
Jan 28 19:15:29 <swisstomcat> myserver.com/register.php?deviceid=126&appid=bla&version=1.0.0
Jan 28 19:16:10 <dawm> app tracking? ;p
Jan 28 19:16:34 <LoneStar99> ok cool,
Jan 28 19:17:33 <LoneStar99> swisstomcat: my apps are 50% cloud, so might as well add the tracking stuff, it my app is already sending requests....
Jan 28 19:18:07 <swisstomcat> yeah
Jan 28 19:18:22 <swisstomcat> question is every time the app starts or just the first time
Jan 28 19:18:29 <MetaView> JS is a stupid language
Jan 28 19:19:01 <haeffb_pre> metaview: how so?
Jan 28 19:19:09 <dawm> you can do it every time but have your serverside script only record the first
Jan 28 19:20:21 <MetaView> haeffb_pre: just had an exception because of childNotes[0]
Jan 28 19:20:30 <MetaView> instead of childNode[0]
Jan 28 19:20:45 <swisstomcat> yeah, it's very picky
Jan 28 19:21:20 <MetaView> yes
Jan 28 19:21:42 <ambackstrom> @palm retweets a $0.99 app that plays 5 sounds... i wonder what the download stats are on apps like this
Jan 28 19:21:46 <haeffb_pre> yes, picky about using the right variable name
Jan 28 19:21:59 <swisstomcat> which app is that?
Jan 28 19:22:06 <LoneStar99> swisstomcat: you recommend only sending requests once on first start? or is that complicated to embed?
Jan 28 19:22:16 <ambackstrom> "Awkward Situation" http://bit.ly/94lY0j
Jan 28 19:22:19 <swisstomcat> i'm still debating that myself
Jan 28 19:22:24 <MetaView> they retweeted one of my apps too
Jan 28 19:22:31 <MetaView> the downloads were rather low
Jan 28 19:22:39 <swisstomcat> you could set a cookie after the first ping to the server
Jan 28 19:22:47 <swisstomcat> but you'd have to check if you actually reached the server
Jan 28 19:22:50 <swisstomcat> have to test a bit
Jan 28 19:23:31 <MetaView> but this app looks very stupid to me, I guess it will be very successful...
Jan 28 19:23:37 <MetaView> as all stupid things are
Jan 28 19:23:41 <LoneStar99> hmmm. i'll have mine send a request when a user searches for something...
Jan 28 19:24:16 <dawm> LoneStar99, i have mine ping at the very end of setup()
Jan 28 19:24:28 <haeffb_pre> not all stupid things are successful
Jan 28 19:24:34 <swisstomcat> dawm: tracking too?
Jan 28 19:24:37 <dawm> yeh
Jan 28 19:24:44 <swisstomcat> every time or just once?
Jan 28 19:24:46 <LoneStar99> dawm: thanks
Jan 28 19:24:52 <dawm> everytime
Jan 28 19:24:53 <MetaView> haeffb_pre: no? ok
Jan 28 19:25:07 <swisstomcat> do you count the pings?
Jan 28 19:25:11 <LoneStar99> what are the commands to get app version and device id?
Jan 28 19:25:12 <swisstomcat> for each device?
Jan 28 19:25:19 <dawm> ive got a running log
Jan 28 19:25:19 <haeffb_pre> but some successful things are stupid
Jan 28 19:25:36 <swisstomcat> and if they device doesn't have a connection, nothing happens
Jan 28 19:25:47 <dawm> my unique installs arent excact because is didnt add tracking until a few versions later
Jan 28 19:25:49 <dawm> yeah
Jan 28 19:25:50 <swisstomcat> dawm: does the app have other cloud functionality?
Jan 28 19:25:54 <dawm> no errors or anything
Jan 28 19:26:08 <swisstomcat> any special privacy policy for that?
Jan 28 19:26:11 <dawm> its gonna be storing/retrieving scores this weekend
Jan 28 19:26:27 <dawm> ive got one listed in my help screen
Jan 28 19:26:36 <swisstomcat> that you're tracking
Jan 28 19:26:40 <dawm> yeh
Jan 28 19:26:47 <MetaView> "ÜberRadio        e        Jan 28        No        Homebrew alerts: Published        MetaView "
Jan 28 19:26:56 <swisstomcat> wohoo
Jan 28 19:26:59 <swisstomcat> time to try it out
Jan 28 19:27:04 <MetaView> what does it mean? Pub: is no, but alert is published?
Jan 28 19:27:16 <swisstomcat> hmm
Jan 28 19:27:19 <MetaView> swisstomcat: I fear it isn't published yet
Jan 28 19:27:38 <swisstomcat> nope
Jan 28 19:27:56 <swisstomcat> wow .. 5890 downloads for moo :)
Jan 28 19:28:22 <LoneStar99> nice!
Jan 28 19:28:30 <dawm> im only 48 away from having 1000 purchases ;D
Jan 28 19:28:41 <swisstomcat> i'd write to the precentral admins, metaview
Jan 28 19:28:44 <swisstomcat> which app, dawm?
Jan 28 19:28:47 <dawm> swap & drop
Jan 28 19:28:55 <swisstomcat> cool
Jan 28 19:28:59 <swisstomcat> mine is free
Jan 28 19:31:08 <LoneStar99> swisstomcat: what do i search for at palm dev "device id" ?
Jan 28 19:31:31 <swisstomcat> it's a service to call
Jan 28 19:31:52 <swisstomcat> one sec
Jan 28 19:32:36 <swisstomcat> http://pastie.org/799265
Jan 28 19:32:54 <pandora--> blanking out... how can i copy music to my emulator music library?
Jan 28 19:33:34 <LoneStar99> swisstomcat: even better thanks
Jan 28 19:35:03 <dawm> hey LoneStar99 that nduid is tied to each device
Jan 28 19:35:16 <dawm> internal serial # other than the actual serial #
Jan 28 19:35:53 <dawm> palm says nicely you shouldnt use it for tracking a user, and to implement your own system for keep track of the user
Jan 28 19:36:12 <dawm> because a device could be broken,returned,exchanged,replaced. and it may not be the same person with the nduid
Jan 28 19:36:19 <LoneStar99> dawm: is each device  nduid: the same length? in DB should I use a Var or char
Jan 28 19:36:29 <dawm> yeah its the same length
Jan 28 19:36:40 <dawm> http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1550&Itemid=20
Jan 28 19:37:03 <dawm> eef3d8b0d9d261de9e337c24718bab41c9d8fee8
Jan 28 19:37:05 <dawm> is an example of one
Jan 28 19:37:09 <swisstomcat> hmmm
Jan 28 19:37:23 <swisstomcat> well, i'm not tracking users, i'm tracking devices
Jan 28 19:37:30 <LoneStar99> looks like MD5
Jan 28 19:37:37 <swisstomcat> sha
Jan 28 19:38:08 <dawm> there more info you can grab such as if its a pre or pixi
Jan 28 19:38:12 <dawm> and webos version and etc
Jan 28 19:38:32 <swisstomcat> that could be interesting too
Jan 28 19:38:40 <LoneStar99> cool, i think i just need the device, and my app version...
Jan 28 19:38:40 <dawm> lemme open up komodo
Jan 28 19:39:13 <dawm> do a dump on the var Mojo.Environment.DeviceInfo
Jan 28 19:39:17 <dawm> lots of info in that
Jan 28 19:39:27 <dawm> Mojo.Environment.DeviceInfo.platformVersion  = webos version
Jan 28 19:39:38 <dawm> Mojo.Environment.DeviceInfo.modelNameAscii  = device name (pre/pixi)
Jan 28 19:39:50 <swisstomcat> cool stuff, thanks
Jan 28 19:39:51 <dawm> i havent seen that the pre plus or pixi plus have a different name tho
Jan 28 19:40:46 <dawm> its just a JSON object
Jan 28 19:40:53 <frankos72> I'm thinking if I can figure out which email account is the default and then get the email address and Username from that account that I could use that info to autofill my registration page.
Jan 28 19:40:56 <dawm> you can get the screen height/width from it too
Jan 28 19:41:11 <dawm> tahts assuming too much
Jan 28 19:41:46 <frankos72> does that Mojo.Environment.DeviceInfo have the user name and email address in it?
Jan 28 19:41:50 <dawm> no
Jan 28 19:42:04 <dawm> you arent gonna get that until palm allows you to get that information
Jan 28 19:42:23 <dawm> im sure a pdk will come out allowing some access to that information
Jan 28 19:42:29 <dawm> er a pdk plugin
Jan 28 19:42:54 <frankos72> Dawn:  Thanks, that can end my search for this subject.
Jan 28 19:42:59 <dawm> you could always have the user enter an email address they wish to use ;p
Jan 28 19:43:00 <frankos72> yall have a great day!
Jan 28 19:43:12 <frankos72> yeah, that's what it does already.
Jan 28 19:43:27 <LoneStar99> thanks dawm and swisstomcat, building the DB table now
Jan 28 19:43:32 <dawm> yeah theres no access to personal information aside from what the user inputs manually
Jan 28 19:43:42 <frankos72> thanks yall I have to go....
Jan 28 19:44:06 <dawm> thats all we need.. a malware webos app in homebrew that steals our contacts and spams
Jan 28 19:44:41 <MetaView> well, would be possible
Jan 28 19:50:26 <haeffb_pre> dawm: want me to write it?
Jan 28 19:52:13 <ventz> any "cool" applications that people are using / they recomend?
Jan 28 19:52:22 <ventz> i am trying to look for new apps that are interesting  or useful
Jan 28 19:52:33 <ventz> i have a great twitter one now, rss one, and 2 weather apps
Jan 28 19:52:51 <ventz> i have a quick dial one too
Jan 28 19:53:03 <deliciousmorsel> what rss app?
Jan 28 19:53:06 <deliciousmorsel> and what twitter app?
Jan 28 19:53:10 <ventz> fandango, sporting news
Jan 28 19:53:19 <ventz> rss -> news feed
Jan 28 19:53:25 <ventz> twitter --> i love tweed
Jan 28 19:53:32 <deliciousmorsel> hahah the two i didn't develop lol
Jan 28 19:53:37 <deliciousmorsel> :|
Jan 28 19:53:45 <ventz> deliciousmorsel: i am open to rss ones
Jan 28 19:53:54 <deliciousmorsel> i made a google reader client...
Jan 28 19:53:57 <deliciousmorsel> so not techincally rss
Jan 28 19:54:00 <haeffb_pre> Agenda
Jan 28 19:54:01 <deliciousmorsel> but techincally rss
Jan 28 19:54:08 <ventz> tweed is the closest to tweetie which I love
Jan 28 19:54:18 <deliciousmorsel> you try out Twee?
Jan 28 19:54:40 <ventz> bWeather is neat, but very inaccurate. Told me light night it will be 40 degrees tomorrow, now it shows 22
Jan 28 19:55:10 <MetaView> ventz: try Wikay
Jan 28 19:55:16 <MetaView> or Math this!
Jan 28 19:55:20 <MetaView> Match :)
Jan 28 19:55:48 <ventz> deliciousmorsel: i don't like the dark background on twee. That's the only reason I didn't try it
Jan 28 19:56:03 <deliciousmorsel> well the next version of Twee is gonna have a light theme
Jan 28 19:56:12 <deliciousmorsel> i'll send you a screenshot
Jan 28 19:56:25 <deliciousmorsel> http://twitpic.com/zt8bs
Jan 28 19:56:31 <deliciousmorsel> AND
Jan 28 19:56:31 <deliciousmorsel> http://img162.yfrog.com/i/yxt.png/
Jan 28 19:56:32 <ventz> deliciousmorsel: well now I'll try it just because I need to have a non-biased opinion
Jan 28 19:56:45 <deliciousmorsel> yeah try out the free version TweeFree
Jan 28 19:56:48 * MetaView is using 2TwitMe with Classic as twitter client
Jan 28 19:57:00 <deliciousmorsel> you use classic?
Jan 28 19:57:04 <MetaView> yes
Jan 28 19:57:06 <deliciousmorsel> dang thats old school
Jan 28 19:57:07 <deliciousmorsel> lol
Jan 28 19:57:17 <MetaView> for my own twitter client, I don't really like the native ones
Jan 28 19:57:31 <deliciousmorsel> what do you not like?
Jan 28 19:57:31 <ventz> i am going to start looking at app development in a week or two
Jan 28 19:58:09 <deliciousmorsel> metaview: asking so i can see what i can do to help make it better
Jan 28 19:59:31 <MetaView> background
Jan 28 19:59:37 <MetaView> I wanna have it light
Jan 28 20:00:03 <MetaView> then I'm used to a mixed view of DM, mentioneds, permanent searches and the normal timeline
Jan 28 20:00:20 <MetaView> I'm very used to 2TwitMe on my Palm :)
Jan 28 20:00:52 <MetaView> I was thinking of porting it to WebOS, but at the end there are already several twitter clients
Jan 28 20:00:52 <maik> i just finished my first webos app yesterday and i'm already starting another.  i <3 developing for webos
Jan 28 20:01:53 <MetaView> deliciousmorsel: and TweeFree is a bit strange when sending a picture, it doesn't send the picture with msg to twitpic as I would expect it, it only send the pic
Jan 28 20:02:50 <MetaView> another nice one when i use 2TwitMe: I can scrol using buttons, I hate it to scroll a big list and want to read the text with this wipe gestures
Jan 28 20:03:14 <MetaView> it's the same in the browser, it's horrible to find the last read line again
Jan 28 20:05:41 <deliciousmorsel> yeah what Twee allows you to do is add multiple images to a tweet
Jan 28 20:06:09 <swisstomcat> ventz: paratroopers is pretty cool
Jan 28 20:06:12 <maik> swiping up or down when in landscape view should swipe up page-lengths at a time, is that what you're talking about not liking?
Jan 28 20:06:32 <MetaView> deliciousmorsel: right, but why should I do it :)
Jan 28 20:06:42 <ventz> swisstomcat: think multiple people have recomended that one. I'll give it a shot
Jan 28 20:07:13 <ventz> i can't wait for the update in Feb.
Jan 28 20:07:18 <ventz> the phone app is sooo busted right now
Jan 28 20:07:22 <MetaView> what happens to a date object if I try stuff like dt = new Date("xxx") where xx is not a date at all?
Jan 28 20:07:27 <ventz> i can't do 3 way calls when i have one phone call, and someone else calls
Jan 28 20:07:37 <ventz> when you swap, if someone hangs up, the call remains there...
Jan 28 20:11:56 <haeffb_pre> metaview: I think it will give you todays date, but not sure.
Jan 28 20:12:26 <swisstomcat> btw haeffb: any update on the api status with agenda? (1.4)
Jan 28 20:12:34 <MetaView> no, the log says: Invalid Date
Jan 28 20:12:42 <haeffb_pre> nope
Jan 28 20:13:02 <swisstomcat> agenda was the first homebrew app i installed
Jan 28 20:13:07 <MetaView> but how to ask for this?
Jan 28 20:13:08 <haeffb_pre> well that's what happens then
Jan 28 20:13:26 <MetaView> dt == "Invalid Date" ? doesn't work
Jan 28 20:14:02 <MetaView> I could check what getTime()  says
Jan 28 20:14:07 <haeffb_pre> try/catch around the new Date("xxxx")
Jan 28 20:14:22 <swisstomcat> http://www.codetoad.com/forum/17_10053.asp
Jan 28 20:14:52 <dawm> MetaView, can i ask where you're getting the 'xxx' for your date?
Jan 28 20:17:46 <swisstomcat> the emulator returns os: 1.3.5 SKD and model: device
Jan 28 20:18:01 <dawm> yeh
Jan 28 20:18:08 <dawm> sdk always says SDK
Jan 28 20:18:19 <MetaView> dawm: yes, I store GPS tracks
Jan 28 20:18:36 <dawm> is it user inputed?
Jan 28 20:18:56 <MetaView> when I import a KML file, I will use the name as ID, which is usually a date/time string
Jan 28 20:18:58 <swisstomcat> the pre says: os: 1.3.5.2 model: pre
Jan 28 20:19:12 <dawm> ahh ok
Jan 28 20:19:27 <dawm> i was wondering if you were using a date the user entered
Jan 28 20:19:31 <MetaView> getTime() is NaN, that's a starter I guess
Jan 28 20:19:37 <MetaView> nope
Jan 28 20:19:50 <swisstomcat> did you see the code i posted, metaview?
Jan 28 20:19:52 <dawm> what is the time format?
Jan 28 20:19:56 <MetaView> swisstomcat: the link has one good idea: IsNaN(dt)
Jan 28 20:19:58 <dawm> unixtime?
Jan 28 20:20:06 <MetaView> the stuff with match is brainless
Jan 28 20:20:19 <LoneStar99> swisstomcat: i get an undefined with "this.versionId"
Jan 28 20:20:27 <MetaView> no, is YYMMDDHHMMSS
Jan 28 20:20:37 <swisstomcat> yeah, lonestar .. you need to specify it
Jan 28 20:20:43 <MetaView> but I don't want to make a match
Jan 28 20:20:52 <MetaView> I use IsNaA
Jan 28 20:20:52 <dawm> appid: Mojo.Controller.appInfo.id,
Jan 28 20:20:52 <dawm>         version: Mojo.Controller.appInfo.version,
Jan 28 20:20:53 <LoneStar99> oh ok, it looked to short to mean anyting
Jan 28 20:21:04 <swisstomcat> oh .. thanks, dawm
Jan 28 20:21:10 <dawm> MetaView, i was gonna mention the functions on phpjs.org
Jan 28 20:21:18 <swisstomcat> and the appid, dawm?
Jan 28 20:21:29 <dawm> thats your app url name
Jan 28 20:21:33 <dawm> com.domain.appname
Jan 28 20:21:43 <dawm> version is the app version
Jan 28 20:21:45 <swisstomcat> oh, sorry .. i see it now
Jan 28 20:21:45 <MetaView> phpjs.org? don't know this link
Jan 28 20:22:03 <dawm> appInfo is data from appinfo.json
Jan 28 20:22:09 <dawm> http://phpjs.org/functions/strtotime:554
Jan 28 20:22:23 <dawm> er
Jan 28 20:22:33 <dawm> that exact functionmight not work in this case
Jan 28 20:22:51 <MetaView> I use new Date(start.substr(0, 4), start.substr(4, 2)-1, start.substr(6, 2), start.substr(8, 2), start.substr(10, 2), start.substr(12, 2));
Jan 28 20:22:52 <dawm> phpjs.org is js functions that work the same as the php ons
Jan 28 20:22:58 <pandora--> how can i move some mp3s to the emulator?
Jan 28 20:23:01 <dawm> basically js ports of php functions
Jan 28 20:23:14 <swisstomcat> yeah, was using that too at some point
Jan 28 20:23:18 <pandora--> scp through novacom?
Jan 28 20:23:23 <swisstomcat> is the kml date format standardized?
Jan 28 20:23:27 <deliciousmorsel> phpjs lol
Jan 28 20:23:57 <dawm> deliciousmorsel, heh theres some decent functions on there
Jan 28 20:24:14 <deliciousmorsel> like?
Jan 28 20:24:21 <deliciousmorsel> and why are the global namespaced functions
Jan 28 20:24:23 <deliciousmorsel> thats awful
Jan 28 20:24:42 <swisstomcat> huh .. what's "media> YAMS watchdog triggered du to load" doing in the log?
Jan 28 20:24:42 <MetaView> swisstomcat: yes, but I need a specific, an output of an routing alg
Jan 28 20:24:48 <LoneStar99> swisstomcat and dawm: thanks works like a charm, now need to wait until next app update =(
Jan 28 20:24:51 <deliciousmorsel> it should be a library and prototyped to the assocated object
Jan 28 20:25:15 <dawm> deliciousmorsel, i think they wanted it to work like they were built in functions
Jan 28 20:25:33 <deliciousmorsel> yeah built in functions in js are in the objects
Jan 28 20:25:37 <deliciousmorsel> not globally namespaced
Jan 28 20:25:38 <MetaView> very nice, now it works, now I need to zoom and pan to the correct map
Jan 28 20:32:06 <jlazaroff> does anyone know how i might go about parsing xml?
Jan 28 20:33:23 <swisstomcat> parser=new DOMParser();
Jan 28 20:33:23 <swisstomcat> xmlDoc=parser.parseFromString(text,"text/xml");
Jan 28 20:33:38 <swisstomcat> is that the way to do it?
Jan 28 20:33:50 <jlazaroff> i'm not sure
Jan 28 20:33:50 <MetaView> moment
Jan 28 20:34:00 <MetaView> xmlDoc.getElementsByTagName("gpx")
Jan 28 20:34:00 <jlazaroff> i've been reading this tutorial but it doesn't seem to really apply http://particletree.com/features/quick-guide-to-prototype/
Jan 28 20:34:08 <MetaView> xmlDoc.getElementsByTagName("name")[0].childNodes[0].nodeValue;
Jan 28 20:34:25 <MetaView> get the content of the first element with "name"
Jan 28 20:34:56 <jlazaroff> oh, hey, that works
Jan 28 20:35:00 <MetaView> trkpt[i].attributes["lat"].value; get attrribute lat in element trkpt
Jan 28 20:35:02 <jlazaroff> thanks MetaView :)
Jan 28 20:35:10 <MetaView> you're wlcome
Jan 28 20:35:13 <deliciousmorsel> http://i.imgur.com/ion9W.jpg
Jan 28 20:35:38 <swisstomcat> hehe
Jan 28 20:35:46 <swisstomcat> no free software? isn't webkit open source?
Jan 28 20:36:02 <deliciousmorsel> webkit is
Jan 28 20:36:08 <deliciousmorsel> but its based off of Khtml
Jan 28 20:36:21 <swishy> deliciousmorsel: er which is opensource
Jan 28 20:36:29 <deliciousmorsel> both are os
Jan 28 20:36:38 <deliciousmorsel> khtml = gnu less
Jan 28 20:36:46 <maik> heh, good to see that's making the rounds
Jan 28 20:36:48 <deliciousmorsel> *khtml = gnu lesser
Jan 28 20:36:57 <jlazaroff> swisstomcat: not to mention darwin
Jan 28 20:36:57 <deliciousmorsel> webkit = bsd
Jan 28 20:37:32 * swishy honestly doesnt see how standing outside apples keynote with such a sign helps anything
Jan 28 20:37:44 <swishy> if you buy a apple product you expect to play by there rules
Jan 28 20:37:45 <swisstomcat> it helps to remind people
Jan 28 20:37:49 <maik> because it's funny and they get a few seconds of fame, duh :D
Jan 28 20:38:00 <swishy> and honestly most apples purchasers dont give a shit
Jan 28 20:38:14 <atlanta> swishy: it was funny as shit at most
Jan 28 20:38:21 <swisstomcat> its' a slippery slope to walk .. imagine you could only install approved apps on your pc/laptop
Jan 28 20:38:35 <deliciousmorsel> that would mean NO PORN
Jan 28 20:38:38 <swisstomcat> wehret den anfängen!
Jan 28 20:38:43 <swishy> atlanta: hehe
Jan 28 20:39:03 <atlanta> swisstomcat: thats why the crackers broke the encryption on the apple apps
Jan 28 20:39:11 <atlanta> to allow them to install them
Jan 28 20:39:20 <swisstomcat> they did?
Jan 28 20:39:28 <atlanta> yurp
Jan 28 20:39:37 <atlanta> i have the instructions on how
Jan 28 20:39:38 <deliciousmorsel> actually they just removed the code signing check
Jan 28 20:39:43 <swishy> :)
Jan 28 20:39:50 <atlanta> ehh its more than that
Jan 28 20:39:56 <jlazaroff> is there a way to dump an xml file returned by an http request into a text file?  i'd like to see what http://www.tumblr.com/api/authenticate returns
Jan 28 20:40:14 <atlanta> jlazaroff: output it to an errordialog
Jan 28 20:40:14 <deliciousmorsel> you'll have to log the response
Jan 28 20:40:15 <swisstomcat> you could dump it into a div/span
Jan 28 20:40:31 <swisstomcat> that's what i usually do .. add it to the scene view
Jan 28 20:40:35 <swisstomcat> unless it's huge
Jan 28 20:41:07 <dawm> http://www.motherboard.tv/2010/1/27/what-s-better-than-a-tablet-a-computer-that-doesn-t-need-a-screen
Jan 28 20:41:09 <jlazaroff> swisstomcat: it's pretty big
Jan 28 20:41:21 <atlanta> deliciousmorsel: thats a horizontal scroll in your twee app right
Jan 28 20:41:35 <deliciousmorsel> nope
Jan 28 20:41:37 <swisstomcat> those are pretty cool
Jan 28 20:41:44 <deliciousmorsel> its hand coded
Jan 28 20:41:54 <deliciousmorsel> i tried using the scroller widget
Jan 28 20:42:03 <deliciousmorsel> but it sucked really bad back in june
Jan 28 20:42:07 <deliciousmorsel> so i opted to just hand code
Jan 28 20:42:31 <deliciousmorsel> plus the time it took to hand code was less than the time i spent trying to get the stupid widget scroller to work properly
Jan 28 20:43:24 <MetaView> cool, gpx import works too
Jan 28 20:43:50 <MetaView> the scroller works not that bad
Jan 28 20:43:56 <MetaView> I use it for my maps
Jan 28 20:44:05 <swisstomcat> the horizontal one?
Jan 28 20:44:26 <deliciousmorsel> the navbar
Jan 28 20:44:41 * sugardave emerges.  "Yeah, you guys are just jealous."
Jan 28 20:44:48 <MetaView> I use a full screen scroller in all direction
Jan 28 20:44:49 <MetaView> s
Jan 28 20:44:56 <MetaView> yes
Jan 28 20:44:59 <deliciousmorsel> how was your nap?
Jan 28 20:45:20 <sugardave> LoneStar99: the numbers from the catalog have never been correct...it's always been total downloads.  I'm really surprised you never heard that before....we bitched about it all the time
Jan 28 20:45:25 <sugardave> deliciousmorsel: excellent
Jan 28 20:45:31 <deliciousmorsel> what was for lunch?
Jan 28 20:45:48 <sugardave> I just had a convenience store corn-dog...very tasty
Jan 28 20:46:12 <atlanta> deliciousmorsel: lol
Jan 28 20:46:25 <deliciousmorsel> lol
Jan 28 20:46:30 <deliciousmorsel> i made a quesadilla
Jan 28 20:46:34 <deliciousmorsel> with provolone
Jan 28 20:46:40 <deliciousmorsel> that smelled like rotten feet
Jan 28 20:46:40 <swisstomcat> whatever a corn-dog is
Jan 28 20:46:44 <sugardave> mmm, that sounds good, too
Jan 28 20:46:46 <dawm> i had a big angus.. first and last time.. wasnt that good
Jan 28 20:46:55 <deliciousmorsel> mcd?
Jan 28 20:46:58 <dawm> yeh
Jan 28 20:47:00 <deliciousmorsel> yeah
Jan 28 20:47:03 <deliciousmorsel> those aren't tasty
Jan 28 20:47:10 <sugardave> swisstomcat: it's a frankfurter, battered and fried on a stick
Jan 28 20:47:14 <swisstomcat> are morsels tasty too?
Jan 28 20:47:22 <swisstomcat> sugardave: eek
Jan 28 20:47:31 <deliciousmorsel> more delicious
Jan 28 20:47:41 <swisstomcat> so it's like a fried hot-dog
Jan 28 20:47:49 <sugardave> yeah, pretty much
Jan 28 20:47:50 <deliciousmorsel> battered fried
Jan 28 20:48:05 <swisstomcat> can't imagine it being tasty
Jan 28 20:48:13 <deliciousmorsel> if they crunch
Jan 28 20:48:15 <deliciousmorsel> crunchy
Jan 28 20:48:28 <sugardave> swisstomcat: oh man, they are awesome
Jan 28 20:48:28 <swisstomcat> but hey, what do i know .. we only eat chocolate and drink milk here ;)
Jan 28 20:48:31 <deliciousmorsel> http://img.ly/pye
Jan 28 20:48:44 <deliciousmorsel> i had a corndog a few days ago
Jan 28 20:48:53 <swisstomcat> yikes!
Jan 28 20:48:54 <deliciousmorsel> nuked in the microwave
Jan 28 20:48:58 <sugardave> slathered in mustard...delicious
Jan 28 20:49:04 <deliciousmorsel> then george foreman grilled
Jan 28 20:49:12 <deliciousmorsel> thats why it was square
Jan 28 20:49:16 <sugardave> haha
Jan 28 20:49:29 <jlazaroff> MetaView: wait, nodeValue isn't working for me
Jan 28 20:49:40 <MetaView> why not?
Jan 28 20:50:13 <jlazaroff> oh, hold on
Jan 28 20:50:14 <MetaView> what do you do?
Jan 28 20:50:24 <swisstomcat> deliciousmorsel is actually recursive
Jan 28 20:50:46 <deliciousmorsel> explain
Jan 28 20:50:52 <deliciousmorsel> oh
Jan 28 20:51:01 <deliciousmorsel> cause it means something small and good tasting
Jan 28 20:51:04 <swisstomcat> morsel: A tasty delicacy; a tidbit
Jan 28 20:51:19 <deliciousmorsel> well i'd use morsel.co
Jan 28 20:51:22 <deliciousmorsel> morsel.com
Jan 28 20:51:25 <deliciousmorsel> but thats taken
Jan 28 20:52:19 * sugardave was pondering setting up a tip jar site.  "All the good .us are taken, though."
Jan 28 20:52:34 <jlazaroff> MetaView:     var defaultTumblelog = xmlDoc.getElementsByTagName("tumblelog")[0].nodeValue;
Jan 28 20:56:21 <swisstomcat> hey adora
Jan 28 20:56:35 <Adora> heya
Jan 28 20:56:36 <swisstomcat> question: is palm reviewing the open source apps i submit for the app catalog?
Jan 28 20:56:47 <Adora> for the AC, or web distro?
Jan 28 20:56:51 <swisstomcat> AC
Jan 28 20:56:55 <Adora> yep
Jan 28 20:57:08 <swisstomcat> thanks
Jan 28 20:57:48 <Adora> I don't know that they're being reviewed right this minute, but we'll take a look before publishing them
Jan 28 20:57:59 <deliciousmorsel> howdy adora
Jan 28 20:59:05 <Adora> deliciousmorsel: ohi!
Jan 28 21:00:05 <swisstomcat> adora: guess i'll wait until its reviewed ...
Jan 28 21:00:25 <deliciousmorsel> is 1.4 out in early feb?
Jan 28 21:01:27 <Adora> just sometime in feb
Jan 28 21:01:32 <Adora> early / mid / late not specified
Jan 28 21:01:50 <deliciousmorsel> ahhs
Jan 28 21:05:20 <MetaView> speaking about OS apps, how is it done? I just label the app as OS app?
Jan 28 21:06:10 <MetaView> jlazaroff: x[i].getElementsByTagName("name")[0].childNodes[0].nodeValue;
Jan 28 21:06:23 <MetaView> you need childNodes
Jan 28 21:08:00 <swisstomcat> metaview: you have to submit it with an account that's set to open-source developer
Jan 28 21:08:10 <swisstomcat> metaview: i have two accounts, one OS one not
Jan 28 21:09:28 <MetaView> but does anyone check if it is open source? and which licence is requiered?
Jan 28 21:09:38 <MetaView> OS is without 50$ appfee, or?
Jan 28 21:11:47 <LoneStar99> what does open source app mean? anyone can use your app source code?
Jan 28 21:12:03 <swisstomcat> depending on the license
Jan 28 21:12:18 <swisstomcat> you also have to choose a license when submitting your app
Jan 28 21:12:28 <MetaView> which are exist?
Jan 28 21:12:35 <swisstomcat> hmm?
Jan 28 21:12:51 <MetaView> which licences?
Jan 28 21:12:56 <swisstomcat> one sec
Jan 28 21:13:46 <LoneStar99> an open source app has to be free and you can't have adverts on it?
Jan 28 21:14:01 <swisstomcat> bsd,mit,gpl,apache,artistic,eclipse,mozilla,new bsd
Jan 28 21:14:23 <swisstomcat> i think you can have a paid open source app
Jan 28 21:14:36 <swisstomcat> open source=free, but free as in freedom not as in beer
Jan 28 21:16:03 <LoneStar99> ok, so if i made a Acme123 app Open Source I can still charge and not pay the $50 per app?
Jan 28 21:16:19 <swisstomcat> i'm not sure
Jan 28 21:16:19 <MetaView> sounds like
Jan 28 21:16:25 <swisstomcat> ping adora
Jan 28 21:16:37 <sugardave> you can surely charge for open-source apps in the "real world"
Jan 28 21:16:39 <MetaView> then you use gpl :)
Jan 28 21:16:54 <Adora> pong
Jan 28 21:17:22 <swisstomcat> adora: (10:16:03 PM) LoneStar99: ok, so if i made a Acme123 app Open Source I can still charge and not pay the $50 per app?
Jan 28 21:17:34 <swisstomcat> do you know?
Jan 28 21:17:35 <Adora> I sure hope so
Jan 28 21:17:48 <Adora> but I do not know for certain myself
Jan 28 21:18:11 <Adora> ping chuqui
Jan 28 21:19:13 <LoneStar99> it is not that important, just wondering, was thinking about making another app, but really do not have time to keep up, with it so, maybe open source, so others can make it better is the way to go
Jan 28 21:19:45 <LoneStar99> run on sentence....
Jan 28 21:20:17 <Adora> http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1843&Itemid=40
Jan 28 21:20:30 <Adora> this says we don't review open source apps, no matter how they're distributed
Jan 28 21:21:35 <swisstomcat> why is it's status "being reviewed" then?
Jan 28 21:21:56 <Adora> because the article is probably ahead of it's time  =P
Jan 28 21:23:01 <Adora> "Open source accounts are free and support the same publishing and distribution capabilities as a full account, but they have the requirement that all applications published by this account must be open source software."
Jan 28 21:23:30 <MetaView> no waiting, no fee but still the AppCatalog, sounds good
Jan 28 21:23:39 <Adora> but that implies that open source accounts should still be able to charge
Jan 28 21:24:03 <funkatron> Adora, the people demand a tablet
Jan 28 21:24:13 <Adora> funkatron: ino!
Jan 28 21:24:27 <tlynch> anybody from palm here?
Jan 28 21:24:31 <swisstomcat> but if i go to my apps, it shows my submitted app as "being reviewed"
Jan 28 21:24:32 <Adora> the number of tweets about it is fascinating
Jan 28 21:24:35 <swisstomcat> tlynch: adora is
Jan 28 21:24:42 <funkatron> I was a bit surprised by the response
Jan 28 21:24:54 <jlazaroff> MetaView: i don't think it's returning anything     var tumblelogs = xmlDoc.getElementsByTagName("tumblr")[0].childNodes[0].nodeValue;
Jan 28 21:25:00 <swisstomcat> a webos tablet would be an interesting thing
Jan 28 21:25:00 <tlynch> adora - can you help me with a catalog submission issue?
Jan 28 21:25:11 <Adora> dare I say that everybody that knows about webOS won't buy a tablet until we make one
Jan 28 21:25:19 <Adora> tlynch: sure, what's up?
Jan 28 21:25:24 <tlynch> just submitted an app and paid my $50 but an error seems to have happened between paypal and palm
Jan 28 21:25:31 <MetaView> jlazaroff: it works for me i do my GPX and KML import with it
Jan 28 21:25:32 <tlynch> says my app is incomplete and wants me to pay again
Jan 28 21:25:39 <swisstomcat> adora: my open source app is "being reviewed" .. why is that?
Jan 28 21:25:56 <MetaView> swisstomcat: because the docs are ahead of time
Jan 28 21:26:04 <Adora> tlynch: send me an email with your application info and a screenshot of the error if you've got one
Jan 28 21:26:04 <swisstomcat> ok
Jan 28 21:26:07 <Adora> lisa.brewster@palm.com
Jan 28 21:26:09 <MetaView> they still review even if they don't want to
Jan 28 21:26:19 <Adora> MetaView: yeah, hahaha
Jan 28 21:26:23 <MetaView> :)
Jan 28 21:26:27 <tlynch> thx
Jan 28 21:26:28 <swisstomcat> like you have too much time on your hands?
Jan 28 21:26:35 <jlazaroff> MetaView: is there anything special i need to be doing to it?  i'm just putting it through     Mojo.Controller.errorDialog(tumblelogs); to see what it returns
Jan 28 21:26:38 <Adora> MetaView swisstomcat: but I'll get clarification on that
Jan 28 21:26:44 <swisstomcat> the article also says that you have to distribute the ipk on your own?
Jan 28 21:26:57 <Adora> swisstomcat: you've got the option to
Jan 28 21:27:07 <swisstomcat> i see
Jan 28 21:27:11 <Adora> you'll get that url that you can promote however you want
Jan 28 21:27:17 <swisstomcat> and ipk also = source code?
Jan 28 21:27:19 <Adora> whether it's in the AC, web, whatever
Jan 28 21:27:24 <MetaView> jlazaroff: is it something like <tag>Text</tag> ?
Jan 28 21:27:36 <jlazaroff> MetaView: i think so
Jan 28 21:27:43 <MetaView> or an attrribute? <tag att="Text"></tag>
Jan 28 21:27:46 <swisstomcat> since i need to distribute my source code
Jan 28 21:28:10 <MetaView> ipk is always source code, just unzip it
Jan 28 21:28:12 <swisstomcat> or i could put it on github or something
Jan 28 21:28:13 <Adora> swisstomcat: just make sure it's linked on the website in your metadata
Jan 28 21:28:29 <swisstomcat> i know metaview .. but maybe people don't know that
Jan 28 21:28:50 <ventz> do you have to provide a "company" to become an open source developer?
Jan 28 21:29:02 <ventz> it seems there's no way to go around the Tax Info if you will be an OS developer
Jan 28 21:29:04 <swisstomcat> adora: does palm have a problem with the pre pic on www.kleinhirn.ch (my site)?
Jan 28 21:29:08 <ventz> and I don't want to put my SSN into palm
Jan 28 21:29:10 <Adora> as long as it's easy to find, you can distribute your source code however you want
Jan 28 21:29:13 <swisstomcat> ventz: i put my name as a company
Jan 28 21:29:24 <swisstomcat> my handler said i should do that
Jan 28 21:29:29 <Adora> ventz:  that's a valid concern
Jan 28 21:29:44 <ventz> also, how can i prevent them from charging me next year the $99 fee
Jan 28 21:29:46 <MetaView> Adora: may I also email a scan of my W-8BEN form ?
Jan 28 21:29:49 <ventz> even though I selected open source
Jan 28 21:30:00 <swisstomcat> W-8BEN form?
Jan 28 21:30:04 <Adora> ventz: there's probably no way around it for now, though...I'll make a note to make sure it's addressed
Jan 28 21:30:08 <Kuraiou> Greetings, folks!
Jan 28 21:30:10 <swisstomcat> do you have a company, metaview?
Jan 28 21:30:12 <swisstomcat> greetings
Jan 28 21:30:34 <Adora> MetaView: what's a w-8ben form?
Jan 28 21:30:37 <MetaView> I'm a Freelancer
Jan 28 21:30:44 <Kuraiou> I have an app on the app catalog, mweeheeheeheehee /o/
Jan 28 21:30:52 <swisstomcat> for youself or for a company?
Jan 28 21:30:53 <Kuraiou> It's very easy to set up a Sole Proprietorship Business.
Jan 28 21:30:56 <ventz> Adora: what client are you using to be coming from palm.com? :)
Jan 28 21:30:56 <Kuraiou> in America.
Jan 28 21:31:01 <swisstomcat> kuraiou: which app is it?
Jan 28 21:31:07 <MetaView> W-8BEN form is the one to fill out to prevent the US Tax to deduct 30% from foreigners
Jan 28 21:31:11 <Kuraiou> you don't even need to register a Tax ID, you can just use your SSN.
Jan 28 21:31:15 <Kuraiou> Dice Roller.
Jan 28 21:31:27 <Adora> ventz: I actually AM coming from palm.com  =]
Jan 28 21:31:29 <Kuraiou> although I should probably get a Tax ID just in case <.<
Jan 28 21:31:37 * swisstomcat is in europe
Jan 28 21:31:53 <MetaView> I have a Tax ID in Germany and one in US now
Jan 28 21:31:56 <tlynch> Adora - email sent.  thanks for your help
Jan 28 21:32:01 <Kuraiou> nifty.
Jan 28 21:32:03 <swisstomcat> how is that?
Jan 28 21:32:14 <ventz> Adora: ahh, heh
Jan 28 21:32:21 <swisstomcat> too bad i can't buy it, kuraiou
Jan 28 21:32:25 <jlazaroff> MetaView: oh, it's an attribute.  that's why it's not returning anything
Jan 28 21:32:26 <MetaView> it's just necessary to prevent the 30% deduction
Jan 28 21:32:32 <Kuraiou> yeah :\
Jan 28 21:32:33 <Adora> MetaView: send it to Judy, I'll give you her email address if you don't have it
Jan 28 21:32:35 <MetaView> jlazaroff :)
Jan 28 21:32:42 <MetaView> I have it
Jan 28 21:32:44 <Kuraiou> selling it in the app catalog limited me to US.
Jan 28 21:32:47 <Kuraiou> since that's where I am.
Jan 28 21:32:48 <Kuraiou> I guess.
Jan 28 21:32:51 <swisstomcat> i have judy as my handler too
Jan 28 21:32:53 <Kuraiou> I don't know how they figure that stuff out.
Jan 28 21:33:22 <swisstomcat> adora: were you able to look at the pic?
Jan 28 21:33:25 <MetaView> Adora: thx, I will do it. It prevents me from doing a FAX (I don't have such a machine at home) and don't like to use the one of my other customers
Jan 28 21:33:45 <swisstomcat> metaview: how does one get an american tax id?
Jan 28 21:33:52 <ventz> Adora: i put in '123456789' for now
Jan 28 21:33:52 <MetaView> Kuraiou: selling apps only work in US shop
Jan 28 21:33:58 <ventz> Adora: and thanks for looking into this
Jan 28 21:34:09 <swisstomcat> bmyers is a snowman?
Jan 28 21:34:21 <MetaView> swisstomcat: call the US fincacne stuff
Jan 28 21:34:23 <ventz> also, how can I make sure that my paypal account doesn't get auto charged?
Jan 28 21:34:35 <Adora> swisstomcat: getting a little overwhelmed by the different conversations, link me again?
Jan 28 21:34:42 <swisstomcat> adora: www.kleinhirn.ch
Jan 28 21:34:44 <MetaView> swisstomcat: check out www.mobihand.com -> developer they have quite handy infos
Jan 28 21:34:51 <swisstomcat> thanks metaview
Jan 28 21:35:05 <MetaView> It wasn't that difficult
Jan 28 21:35:14 <swisstomcat> i'll look into it then
Jan 28 21:35:23 <MetaView> took around 15 minutes, 10 minutes waiting, 5 minutes taling
Jan 28 21:35:31 <swisstomcat> i might still have my ssn somewhere from school
Jan 28 21:35:40 <MetaView> from scfool
Jan 28 21:35:42 <MetaView> ?
Jan 28 21:35:44 <MetaView> f/h
Jan 28 21:35:48 <swisstomcat> school i went to in the us
Jan 28 21:35:56 <MetaView> oh
Jan 28 21:36:04 <swisstomcat> school of visual arts in NYC
Jan 28 21:36:09 <MetaView> cool
Jan 28 21:36:17 <Adora> swisstomcat:  it's not an approved use, but nobody's going to send you a C&D
Jan 28 21:36:26 <swisstomcat> :(
Jan 28 21:36:35 <Adora> we just can't let folks use marketing photos in apps
Jan 28 21:36:39 <MetaView> swisstomcat: I got an letter from Palm's German attornies once
Jan 28 21:36:42 <Adora> although there is one in the SDK
Jan 28 21:36:45 <swisstomcat> how am i supposed to show my app?
Jan 28 21:36:56 <Adora> swisstomcat: wait, is that the one from the SDK?
Jan 28 21:37:05 <MetaView> I had used Palm in the name of an app: PalmPDF
Jan 28 21:37:07 <swisstomcat> don't think so
Jan 28 21:37:14 <Kuraiou> heh.
Jan 28 21:37:20 <Adora> swisstomcat: looks like it to me  *wink*
Jan 28 21:37:21 <swisstomcat> there's one in the sdk?
Jan 28 21:37:33 <MetaView> but it was ok, it was just  a free reminder
Jan 28 21:37:35 <Adora> swisstomcat: srsly, just use what you need and don't worry about it
Jan 28 21:37:49 <swisstomcat> i don't want any  attorny sending my any letters
Jan 28 21:37:59 <MetaView> then don't use it :)
Jan 28 21:38:15 <swisstomcat> guess i could take a picture of my pre :)
Jan 28 21:38:23 <Adora> swisstomcat: if that happened, we'd have to send out letters to every major blog as well
Jan 28 21:38:24 <MetaView> guess that's ok
Jan 28 21:38:26 <Adora> which ain't happening
Jan 28 21:38:28 <swisstomcat> adora: how about www.kleinhirn.ch/moo.html?
Jan 28 21:38:53 <Adora> swisstomcat: appropriation!  fair use!
Jan 28 21:39:01 <swisstomcat> if that's more ok, i can replace the first one
Jan 28 21:39:05 * Adora waves her arms and laughs at herself
Jan 28 21:39:29 <Adora> it's better to show people your app, anyway
Jan 28 21:39:38 <swisstomcat> kinda lost on mobihand.com, metaview
Jan 28 21:39:59 <swisstomcat> i'd like to show it how it's looking on the device
Jan 28 21:40:19 <swisstomcat> ok, i'm just going to replace the first pic
Jan 28 21:40:28 <swisstomcat> put in my own screenshot
Jan 28 21:41:03 <swisstomcat> thanks adora
Jan 28 21:41:20 <swisstomcat> now go back and review my app ;)
Jan 28 21:41:30 <swisstomcat> i'll send you some swiss chocolate
Jan 28 21:42:34 <Kuraiou> aminalz!
Jan 28 21:42:36 * Kuraiou downloads.
Jan 28 21:42:51 <swisstomcat> hmm?
Jan 28 21:43:46 <Kuraiou> it is now installed :O
Jan 28 21:44:48 <swisstomcat> animals?
Jan 28 21:45:25 <Kuraiou> hee hee hee
Jan 28 21:45:31 <Kuraiou> the moo app.
Jan 28 21:45:47 <Kuraiou> I will get a lot of mileage bugging people with this.
Jan 28 21:46:54 <swisstomcat> hey, it's my app :)
Jan 28 21:47:15 <Kuraiou> :)
Jan 28 21:47:43 <Kuraiou> I am debating between a few ideas for my next app.
Jan 28 21:47:53 <swisstomcat> how you you like moo?
Jan 28 21:47:56 <Kuraiou> I want to do something that I can do a free version, or something free straight up, but if I can make money that's better >..
Jan 28 21:48:02 <Kuraiou> It's really cute. I dig it.
Jan 28 21:48:07 <swisstomcat> thanks
Jan 28 21:48:10 <Kuraiou> I like the off-kilter buttons a lot, it's a very clever design element.
Jan 28 21:48:29 <swisstomcat> how do you like the eyes? some kids find them creepy
Jan 28 21:48:50 <Adora> swisstomcat: about that chocolate...is it HOT chocolate?
Jan 28 21:49:04 <swisstomcat> if you want
Jan 28 21:49:06 <Adora> I've got such a chill today, but have been making myself stay off coffee
Jan 28 21:49:22 <Adora> adrenaline's been a little high this week  =]
Jan 28 21:49:29 <swisstomcat> either a bag of hot chocolate powder or normal chocolate
Jan 28 21:49:42 <swisstomcat> rough times at palm hq?
Jan 28 21:50:04 <Adora> swisstomcat: it's probably unprofessional to say this, but I was damn worried about the apple announcement
Jan 28 21:50:41 <swisstomcat> why should palm be worried .. i'm sure they have their tablet in development too at skunkworks
Jan 28 21:50:47 <eWizardII> Since it's an oversized iPhone I was thinking would have been funny if the next day Palm Tablet oversized Pre with "multitasking".
Jan 28 21:50:58 <eWizardII> And flash.
Jan 28 21:50:59 <Adora> it's a strange position to be in to be simultaneously excited about what they're going to announce and worried that they'll make everything I'm working for irrelevant
Jan 28 21:51:16 <swisstomcat> that would steal apple's thunder!
Jan 28 21:51:31 <swisstomcat> bang! palm announces the foleo tablet!
Jan 28 21:51:40 <Adora> foleo plus!
Jan 28 21:51:40 <eWizardII> with physical keyboard haha
Jan 28 21:51:58 <swisstomcat> i don't see what the ipad has to do with palm?
Jan 28 21:52:14 <Adora> not a lot
Jan 28 21:52:30 <MetaView> but OS 4 with MT would bite Palm...
Jan 28 21:52:33 <Adora> but they are doing everything they can to leverage their app store on new devices
Jan 28 21:52:41 <swisstomcat> unless the skunkwork people are shivering in their boots
Jan 28 21:52:43 <Kuraiou> anything that draws attention away from webOS.
Jan 28 21:52:49 <Kuraiou> is a negative.
Jan 28 21:52:50 <Kuraiou> basically.
Jan 28 21:52:52 <eWizardII> Yup.
Jan 28 21:52:58 <Adora> which makes their platform more compelling, more users, etc
Jan 28 21:53:00 <Kuraiou> the Droid was the really painful one, though.
Jan 28 21:53:02 <swisstomcat> true
Jan 28 21:53:08 <Kuraiou> Pre was gaining market share pretty steadily until it dropped
Jan 28 21:53:15 <Kuraiou> I don't think the nexus1 even registered on mindshare, though
Jan 28 21:53:16 <swisstomcat> apple is more about the content than the hardware
Jan 28 21:53:25 <eWizardII> and hype :P
Jan 28 21:53:27 <swisstomcat> lock in content
Jan 28 21:53:34 <swisstomcat> provide content
Jan 28 21:53:43 <swisstomcat> the ipad is just the distribution tool
Jan 28 21:53:59 <swisstomcat> palm should not be afraid .. they have a pretty open platform
Jan 28 21:54:06 <Adora> they're using the hardware to create a new market for content
Jan 28 21:54:14 <swisstomcat> yeah
Jan 28 21:54:15 <Adora> and it'll work
Jan 28 21:54:24 <Adora> they'll revolutionize blah blah blah yet again  =]
Jan 28 21:54:26 <swisstomcat> others can follow
Jan 28 21:54:46 <eWizardII> And one day there will be a revolt against the "revolution" ...
Jan 28 21:55:15 <swisstomcat> a webos tablet isn't that bad of an idea
Jan 28 21:55:32 <swisstomcat> let's see how those app would scale up
Jan 28 21:55:58 <swisstomcat> multitasking: check flash: check 3dgames: check pim: check
Jan 28 21:56:13 <eWizardII> and cards :)
Jan 28 21:56:35 <swisstomcat> add a bigger battery so it will last 24hours or so
Jan 28 21:56:43 <swisstomcat> i'd buy it
Jan 28 21:56:56 <MetaView> I don't need such a tablet
Jan 28 21:57:01 <swisstomcat> no?
Jan 28 21:57:03 <MetaView> maybe as kind of notebook
Jan 28 21:57:04 <eWizardII> Palm Tablet Plus and Palm tABLET
Jan 28 21:57:15 <MetaView> with keyboard
Jan 28 21:57:18 <eWizardII> plus pen
Jan 28 21:57:23 <eWizardII> I wish they would have pens.
Jan 28 21:57:29 <eWizardII> So you can write.
Jan 28 21:57:42 <deliciousmorsel> so instead of a mini web browser
Jan 28 21:57:47 <deliciousmorsel> its a big web browser?
Jan 28 21:57:58 <MetaView> yes, I wrote in my blog once: you need to combine a capacitive and a resitive touchpad
Jan 28 21:58:30 <MetaView> the capacitive is the major one and the resitive is above and only valid if the cap doesn't hase input
Jan 28 21:58:35 <eWizardII> What will be interesting is if Amazon has a response :), now that everyone has made something.
Jan 28 21:58:41 <maik> is there a way to force an app to use wireless?
Jan 28 21:58:43 <MetaView> then you could write with a pen and use multi-gestures
Jan 28 21:59:12 <deliciousmorsel> maik i think there is
Jan 28 21:59:26 <swisstomcat> tracking is working .. 6 us pre and 3 european ones
Jan 28 21:59:26 <MetaView> and i need keys up/down/left/right + center
Jan 28 21:59:36 <swisstomcat> yeah, d-pad would be nice
Jan 28 21:59:37 <sugardave> maik: there's a property you can check in the connection manager to let you know if you are wifi or not...I think
Jan 28 21:59:48 <eWizardII> Why would you need a d-pad?
Jan 28 21:59:54 <maik> hmm...k
Jan 28 22:00:03 <swisstomcat> games?
Jan 28 22:00:07 <sugardave> I'm also looking at Mojo.Environment.DeviceInfo.wifiAvailable
Jan 28 22:00:09 <swisstomcat> unless they're all touch-screen
Jan 28 22:00:15 <eWizardII> Oh okay if you wanted it for that.
Jan 28 22:00:16 <sugardave> but that might just be 'does this device have wifi hardware'
Jan 28 22:00:45 <swisstomcat> you can get the wifi state
Jan 28 22:00:52 <swisstomcat> in the connection manager
Jan 28 22:00:56 <MetaView> I need a d-pad for scrolling
Jan 28 22:01:11 <swisstomcat> same with btpan and wan
Jan 28 22:01:16 <MetaView> when I read a text i want to scroll line by line or page by page but not something random
Jan 28 22:01:19 <swisstomcat> state: connected/disconnected
Jan 28 22:01:29 <eWizardII> That's cool I just want someone to make something use able for class.
Jan 28 22:01:35 <maik> ya.  my deal is the app won't work if it's not on the internal wireless here so i need to actually force the route over wifi
Jan 28 22:01:46 <swisstomcat> what kind of app would do that?
Jan 28 22:01:47 <MetaView> why that?
Jan 28 22:01:53 <maik> it's all sorts of kludgy
Jan 28 22:02:01 <deliciousmorsel> sucks to be a pixi user on your app
Jan 28 22:02:02 <swisstomcat> but you could have wifi and wan connected
Jan 28 22:02:51 <maik> an in-house app that relies on an internal web service which uses and SSL connection to an externally resolvable hostname
Jan 28 22:03:17 <maik> which is locked down such that if you try to browse to it and you're outside of a certain IP range you get 403
Jan 28 22:04:11 <swisstomcat> i see
Jan 28 22:04:16 <jfelectron> maik: so its for intranet deployment?
Jan 28 22:04:46 <maik> yes, but i was having a problem with SSL connections where i couldn't get it to connect to a server with an 'invalid' SSL cert
Jan 28 22:04:55 <swisstomcat> ah, i remember
Jan 28 22:05:08 <maik> so we opted to host it on a publicly available server with a publicly good SSL cert
Jan 28 22:05:29 <swisstomcat> moo is already at 5927 downloads
Jan 28 22:05:38 <eWizardII> moo? mojo?
Jan 28 22:05:42 <sugardave> swisstomcat: nice
Jan 28 22:05:43 <maik> it's certainly a problem that it's an intranet site and the fqdn is host.example.com instead of .local or something similar, but that's the hand i was dealt apparently :/
Jan 28 22:05:49 <swisstomcat> moo .. my animal app
Jan 28 22:05:53 <eWizardII> oh hah
Jan 28 22:06:05 <swisstomcat> don't know it?
Jan 28 22:06:26 <eWizardII> no I am still on Centro... waiting to get my Pre Plus on Verizon then I will join the programming and stuff.
Jan 28 22:06:32 <swisstomcat> oh, i see
Jan 28 22:06:45 <swisstomcat> already preparing .. good
Jan 28 22:07:06 <eWizardII> yea I downloaded the developer stuff, but haven't done anything since I might reinstall my OS.
Jan 28 22:07:24 <sugardave> maik: I'm not certain you're going to be able to do it, save paint the outside of the building with cell blocking paint...then you'd have an entirely new set of difficulties
Jan 28 22:07:32 <maik> i wonder if my SSL problems will be magically fixed in 1.4 so we can just avoid the whole thing
Jan 28 22:07:40 <maik> heh
Jan 28 22:07:42 <sugardave> hahahaha
Jan 28 22:07:45 <sugardave> that's a good one
Jan 28 22:08:12 <swisstomcat> is the problem a hostname problem or a cert problem (e.g self-signed)
Jan 28 22:08:25 <maik> you know, this wouldn't be a problem at all if the dhcpclient was like everyone else and used DHCP domain option as the search domain
Jan 28 22:08:31 <maik> cert problem
Jan 28 22:08:46 <maik> i've duplicated it with accessing external hosts with both good and bad certs
Jan 28 22:08:52 <maik> at least...i think i did
Jan 28 22:08:53 <MetaView> if I have a field in a DB defined as REAL how could I get a string as result when i do SELECT max(field) FROM table ?
Jan 28 22:09:09 <sugardave> have you mucked around with the internals and tried to make the dhcpclient do it like that, just to see?
Jan 28 22:09:29 <maik> if i add search example.local to /etc/resolv.conf it works beautifully
Jan 28 22:09:38 <swisstomcat> metaview: sqllite?
Jan 28 22:09:40 <sugardave> ah, yeah
Jan 28 22:09:46 <MetaView> yes
Jan 28 22:10:48 <swisstomcat> there's no convert or such?
Jan 28 22:11:00 <eWizardII> There isn't a restriction on who can get a developer account right? (like I am a student)
Jan 28 22:11:08 <MetaView> no, I defined the table with lat REAL lng REAL
Jan 28 22:11:09 <swisstomcat> don't think so
Jan 28 22:11:23 <MetaView> now i as SELECT min(lat), max(lat) etx.
Jan 28 22:11:25 <eWizardII> Ok.
Jan 28 22:11:40 <MetaView> and I get {"min(lat)": 5.963552, "min(lng)": 52.1963, "max(lat)": " 5.963596", "max(lng)": 52.25685}
Jan 28 22:11:45 <swisstomcat> i've got 3 accounts already
Jan 28 22:11:50 <MetaView> max(lat) is a string...
Jan 28 22:12:01 <swisstomcat> and you want the float
Jan 28 22:12:02 <Kuraiou> it's because there's a space at the front.
Jan 28 22:12:07 <MetaView> I need the float
Jan 28 22:12:09 <Kuraiou> parseFloat()
Jan 28 22:12:18 <MetaView> but maybe I can convert it before calculation?
Jan 28 22:12:25 <MetaView> ok parseFloat
Jan 28 22:12:26 <MetaView> thx
Jan 28 22:12:27 <Kuraiou> :P
Jan 28 22:12:27 <swisstomcat> what are you doing?
Jan 28 22:12:29 * Kuraiou bows.
Jan 28 22:12:39 <Kuraiou> you may have to chop off that space first, but it should work.
Jan 28 22:12:41 <MetaView> calc the bounding box of my track?
Jan 28 22:12:51 <swisstomcat> fun
Jan 28 22:13:02 <Kuraiou> hey, what language is the PDK?
Jan 28 22:13:07 <MetaView> to know the center and the dimension and move and zoom the map
Jan 28 22:13:14 <swisstomcat> i was doing some proximity search, but on my host
Jan 28 22:13:15 <MetaView> PDK: C/C++
Jan 28 22:13:19 <swisstomcat> yeah
Jan 28 22:13:19 <Adora> Kuraiou: the language of LOVE
Jan 28 22:13:23 <eWizardII> haah
Jan 28 22:13:24 <swisstomcat> is it?
Jan 28 22:13:27 <MetaView> LOVE?
Jan 28 22:13:40 <swisstomcat> damn, i never learned c/c++
Jan 28 22:13:44 <eWizardII> at the next CES conference be cool if Pre can use Matlab and Python
Jan 28 22:13:55 <eWizardII> then I won't have to learn anything new.
Jan 28 22:13:55 <MetaView> well, you should :) I had to learn JS
Jan 28 22:14:03 <swisstomcat> i heard about an python interpreter in SDL
Jan 28 22:14:09 <MetaView> there is Matlab for Linux...
Jan 28 22:14:11 <Kuraiou> hopefully it's more C and less C++.
Jan 28 22:14:13 <Kuraiou> er wait.
Jan 28 22:14:14 <Kuraiou> jesus.
Jan 28 22:14:16 <Kuraiou> SWITCH THAT SWITCH THAT AUGH
Jan 28 22:14:18 <Kuraiou> AUUUUGHHHH
Jan 28 22:14:20 <swisstomcat> hehe
Jan 28 22:14:23 <eWizardII> ?
Jan 28 22:14:28 <swisstomcat> not c#?
Jan 28 22:14:31 <Kuraiou> I had to help my brother with a regular C assignment and it was so painful, mallocing and freeing everything
Jan 28 22:14:36 <swisstomcat> which looks more like javascript
Jan 28 22:14:50 * swishy slaps swisstomcat 
Jan 28 22:14:51 <Kuraiou> I was like, "okay, all you have to do is make a hash table using the word string as a key..."
Jan 28 22:14:58 <Kuraiou> and realized you couldn't do any of it. I nearly broke down in tears from it.
Jan 28 22:15:06 <Kuraiou> C# is better than Java, and nothing like Javascript.
Jan 28 22:15:18 <swisstomcat> last high-language i learned was pascal ... only scripting since then
Jan 28 22:15:18 <Kuraiou> but it's not appropriate for low-level hardware access.
Jan 28 22:15:22 <Kuraiou> so it makes sense that it'd be C++.
Jan 28 22:15:25 <eWizardII> And if you know Java which is better to learn then?
Jan 28 22:15:28 <MetaView> need to use C# on my biggest day job
Jan 28 22:15:40 <Kuraiou> using OpenGL for the graphics, right? any wrappers like GLUT or SDL?
Jan 28 22:15:44 <swisstomcat> it really looks like javascript
Jan 28 22:15:45 <MetaView> if you know java you are lost
Jan 28 22:15:48 <MetaView> nope
Jan 28 22:15:54 <Kuraiou> ;_;
Jan 28 22:15:56 <swisstomcat> kuraiou: SDL
Jan 28 22:15:58 <eWizardII> It wasn't my fault for learning it :P
Jan 28 22:16:00 <Kuraiou> okay phew.
Jan 28 22:16:01 <swisstomcat> as far as i know
Jan 28 22:16:01 <Kuraiou> SDL is solid.
Jan 28 22:16:15 <MetaView> C# and Java not that far away
Jan 28 22:16:17 <Kuraiou> I wrote a game demo in glut before it became discontinued, it was......... clunky. I got it all working in the end, but.
Jan 28 22:16:22 <swisstomcat> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Internals_PDK
Jan 28 22:16:28 <Kuraiou> OH MAN. I wonder how appropriate that game would be for webOS. <.<
Jan 28 22:17:01 <swisstomcat> most of the free game ports are SDL games
Jan 28 22:17:10 <swisstomcat> doom,quake,tux,
Jan 28 22:18:14 * MetaView wonders what this is for a strange track
Jan 28 22:18:35 <MetaView> looks like in the middle of water
Jan 28 22:18:53 <swisstomcat> a boat track?
Jan 28 22:19:06 <swisstomcat> i could do a ski app
Jan 28 22:19:13 <swisstomcat> that'd be cooll
Jan 28 22:19:19 <MetaView> well, it's close to somalia...
Jan 28 22:19:26 <swisstomcat> oh no
Jan 28 22:19:26 <eWizardII> with the accelerometer?
Jan 28 22:19:35 <swisstomcat> accelerometer and gps
Jan 28 22:19:43 <swisstomcat> record top speed and track
Jan 28 22:19:47 <swisstomcat> stuff like that
Jan 28 22:19:56 <MetaView> I tell you what, I have lat and lon mixed up in KML import :D
Jan 28 22:20:00 <swisstomcat> oops
Jan 28 22:20:09 <MetaView> swisstomcat: that's MapTool already :D
Jan 28 22:20:13 <swisstomcat> is it?
Jan 28 22:20:21 <eWizardII> Maybe I'll make a a palm assassins game app.
Jan 28 22:20:29 <MetaView> well, not telling you the max speed right now, but you have the track with elevation and time stamps
Jan 28 22:20:54 <swisstomcat> metaview: but for a ski app you would need more integration
Jan 28 22:20:59 <MetaView> you can send it to your desktop and then dislay it in google earth
Jan 28 22:21:11 <MetaView> Max Speed will come
Jan 28 22:21:20 <MetaView> average and stuff
Jan 28 22:21:20 <swisstomcat> metaview: look at tracks others went
Jan 28 22:21:21 <Kuraiou> assassins?
Jan 28 22:21:29 <eWizardII> Yes I didn't know what it was either
Jan 28 22:21:32 <MetaView> you can display a second track
Jan 28 22:21:45 * Kuraiou blinks.
Jan 28 22:21:48 <MetaView> which you can import from gpx or kml
Jan 28 22:21:50 <Kuraiou> I'm gonna make Picross :O
Jan 28 22:22:11 <eWizardII> but apparently some game were you go around and fire at people with squirt guns but instead I make it so you could use your Palm pre and track other people who had Palm Pres on the gps.
Jan 28 22:22:16 <eWizardII> Picross?
Jan 28 22:22:57 <eWizardII> nvm just watched it on youtube heh
Jan 28 22:23:02 <Kuraiou> Picross! it's a puzzle game. I am a bit worried because of screen resolution, but it's simple enough, extensible, easy.
Jan 28 22:23:07 <swisstomcat> metaview: can i integrate/use it as a base for a new app?
Jan 28 22:23:15 <Kuraiou> I've been playing the Japanese 3D Picross on Nintendo DS, now /that/ is hard.
Jan 28 22:23:31 <Kuraiou> OH, Assassins! I know what you're talking about now.
Jan 28 22:23:42 <eWizardII> Yea.
Jan 28 22:23:49 <eWizardII> I was like what is this when I heard it the first time.
Jan 28 22:24:30 <Kuraiou> it is brilliant.
Jan 28 22:24:34 <Kuraiou> especially on college campuses.
Jan 28 22:24:36 <MetaView> swisstomcat: hm
Jan 28 22:24:37 <Kuraiou> with nerf guns.
Jan 28 22:24:44 <eWizardII> Yes that's where I found out.
Jan 28 22:24:58 <eWizardII> But imagine playing it on an international level. :)
Jan 28 22:25:09 <eWizardII> So when you leave your own campus you're not really safe.
Jan 28 22:25:25 <eWizardII> Make it a school wide tournament.
Jan 28 22:26:26 <Kuraiou> that'd be pretty sweet.
Jan 28 22:26:51 <eWizardII> hehe
Jan 28 22:26:55 <Kuraiou> aghhhh. I miss Zend's older PHP IDE. All this eclipse stuff is frustrating me. Anyone do any web development got a suggestion? I may just have to stick with TextPad...
Jan 28 22:26:58 <eWizardII> be funny to actually make it product related
Jan 28 22:27:07 <eWizardII> WebOS Alliance
Jan 28 22:27:08 <eWizardII> v
Jan 28 22:27:11 <eWizardII> iPhone alliance
Jan 28 22:27:22 <eWizardII> then on google maps there is a world map of everyone
Jan 28 22:27:25 <swisstomcat> kuraiou: komodo edit with webos extensions or plain gedit
Jan 28 22:27:33 <eWizardII> and Android and BB can join
Jan 28 22:27:34 <ventz> if two people call you at the same time, you cannot merge the calls. Is this a palm limitation, or a verizon limitation?
Jan 28 22:27:37 <Kuraiou> hrm, I thought komodo was linux only
Jan 28 22:27:41 <CTLAdvance> I use notepad++ from sourceforge
Jan 28 22:27:58 <MetaView> komodo is also for windows
Jan 28 22:27:59 <ventz> because I just spoke to a rep who said no phone can do that, and i've tested sprint, att, and tmobile -- and this worked on all 3
Jan 28 22:28:01 <Kuraiou> excellent.
Jan 28 22:28:08 <Kuraiou> I use Komodo at work (I'm running Ubuntu there).
Jan 28 22:28:28 <MetaView> but i still think ultraEdit is the best editor at windows
Jan 28 22:28:44 <eWizardII> Oh, I like my n++.
Jan 28 22:28:49 <CTLAdvance> We need to make a new webos-info channel and keep this one development
Jan 28 22:28:55 <swisstomcat> n++ is pretty good too
Jan 28 22:29:05 <MetaView> n++ misses a hex mode
Jan 28 22:29:26 <Kuraiou> Thank you for all the suggestions :) It's nice to see a helpful IRC channel again. it's been too long.
Jan 28 22:30:39 <swisstomcat> np
Jan 28 22:30:59 <eWizardII> darn was hoping there wasn't an fml app yet :P
Jan 28 22:31:10 <Mousey> lol
Jan 28 22:31:17 <CTLAdvance> ventz why dont you post your question in the precentral forum
Jan 28 22:31:31 <eWizardII> they could make the opposite you have Love My Life
Jan 28 22:31:44 <eWizardII> and it's extremely optimistic
Jan 28 22:32:01 <MetaView> ups, Palm you are great, 2 apps updated in 1 day, thx
Jan 28 22:32:06 <ventz> CTLAdvance: I will, i was just curious if anyone else has tried this. Also, switching calls is buggy (doesn't drop call when person hangs up)
Jan 28 22:32:28 <ventz> CTLAdvance: btw, you were right about the battery life. I cycled it 3 times yesterday down to 5% and back to 100%, and today it's much much better
Jan 28 22:32:28 <swisstomcat> how is wikay being received metaview? lots of downloads?
Jan 28 22:33:09 <maik> who could i appeal to to have dhclient upgrade from ISC DHCP3 to ISC DHCP4 in webos?
Jan 28 22:33:16 <Kuraiou> there's also MLIA (My Life Is Average).
Jan 28 22:33:27 <eWizardII> that's what that meant...
Jan 28 22:33:41 <eWizardII> I thought it meant: My Life is Awesome
Jan 28 22:34:05 <MetaView> swisstomcat: nope, just 14 yet
Jan 28 22:34:20 <MetaView> both of my paid apps perform yuite bad
Jan 28 22:34:24 <MetaView> quite
Jan 28 22:34:24 <CTLAdvance> yep, most any battery is like that when they are new
Jan 28 22:34:31 <swisstomcat> which is the other one, metaview?
Jan 28 22:34:31 <CTLAdvance> lion anyways
Jan 28 22:34:38 <MetaView> Match this! Pro
Jan 28 22:34:43 <swisstomcat> the game?
Jan 28 22:34:59 <MetaView> Match this! the free version produces quite a bit using admob
Jan 28 22:35:03 <swisstomcat> metaview: is maptool open source?
Jan 28 22:35:06 <MetaView> yes, memory game
Jan 28 22:35:17 <MetaView> no, MapTool isn't open source
Jan 28 22:35:21 <swisstomcat> oh well
Jan 28 22:35:35 <swisstomcat> i'll think more about the ski app next week when i'm in the mountains
Jan 28 22:35:40 <MetaView> it was quite a work, would really like to get something back, hm
Jan 28 22:35:42 <eWizardII> haha
Jan 28 22:35:53 <MetaView> swisstomcat: me too, I'm in bavaria
Jan 28 22:35:54 <eWizardII> and while there you'll make a Palm Pre heating app? :P
Jan 28 22:36:04 <swisstomcat> good idea :)
Jan 28 22:36:14 <swisstomcat> overclock it to 1ghz
Jan 28 22:36:20 <swisstomcat> *very warm*
Jan 28 22:36:27 <eWizardII> nah you know how that will go down
Jan 28 22:36:37 <eWizardII> instead of it being overly optimistic like iPhone stuff
Jan 28 22:36:38 <swisstomcat> metaview: maybe a library that can be used in other projects
Jan 28 22:36:43 <eWizardII> somehow their will be a forest fire
Jan 28 22:36:54 <eWizardII> Palm Burns Trees
Jan 28 22:37:03 <sugardave> dawm: ping
Jan 28 22:37:44 <sugardave> dawm: if you see this and get a chance, please add what you can to http://webos101.com/DeviceInfo
Jan 28 22:38:18 <MetaView> swisstomcat: there is an opensource map app
Jan 28 22:38:19 <eWizardII> Random: So did Verizon ever make a Palm Pre commercial, cause I was looking forward to what they would come up with.
Jan 28 22:38:27 <swisstomcat> is there?
Jan 28 22:38:34 <MetaView> yes, on Preware
Jan 28 22:38:48 <MetaView> also with OpenStreetMap
Jan 28 22:38:49 <swisstomcat> minimap?
Jan 28 22:40:05 <MetaView> yes
Jan 28 22:40:19 <MetaView> btw, I think the GPS in the Pre is not very good
Jan 28 22:40:27 <eWizardII> Has anyone hacked Pre to a microcontroller?
Jan 28 22:40:33 <MetaView> had better results with my external GPS and the Palm Centro
Jan 28 22:42:02 <MetaView> swisstomcat: but thank you for the idee, I will add it into my app too
Jan 28 22:42:20 <swisstomcat> the ski stuff?
Jan 28 22:42:38 <MetaView> will do it tomorrow, then i can make a run against the myself
Jan 28 22:42:47 <swisstomcat> hehe
Jan 28 22:42:50 <MetaView> yes: elevation and altitude and speed
Jan 28 22:43:05 <MetaView> distance and duration I do already show
Jan 28 22:43:23 <swisstomcat> i'll try it out too when i'm on skis next week
Jan 28 22:43:27 <MetaView> a graph woudln't be bad too
Jan 28 22:43:33 <MetaView> ok
Jan 28 22:43:56 <MetaView> I wrote an app for my old Centro: 2TrackMe, it did just this
Jan 28 22:44:11 <MetaView> a graph of speed and altitude over time/distance
Jan 28 22:44:43 <MetaView> but now with the Pre I also catch the real elevation, probably much more accurace
Jan 28 22:45:00 <swisstomcat> sounds good
Jan 28 22:45:08 <MetaView> ok, I'm off to bed, Import works and panning to the track too, I'm happy, g'night
Jan 28 22:45:15 <swisstomcat> good night
Jan 28 22:45:54 <maik> agh, what was chuq's e-mail address again?
Jan 28 22:46:16 * haeffb_asleep just got my copy of Zammetti's book from Amazon.
Jan 28 22:46:27 <haeffb> chuq@palm.com
Jan 28 22:46:30 <swisstomcat> Chuq Von Rospach  <Chuq.VonRospach@palm.com>...View Contact
Jan 28 22:46:37 <haeffb> among others
Jan 28 22:46:40 <haeffb> pdk@palm.com
Jan 28 22:46:41 <maik> thanks
Jan 28 22:46:43 <swisstomcat> haeffb: that's a good book ... i have it too
Jan 28 22:46:55 <swisstomcat> masterofdisaster@palm.com :)
Jan 28 22:47:07 <maik> heh
Jan 28 22:47:11 <swisstomcat> e-book, saving some trees
Jan 28 22:49:58 <sugardave> worthwhile for us who have been slogging it out in here for a while?
Jan 28 22:51:46 <swisstomcat> yeah
Jan 28 22:51:49 <swisstomcat> several different projects
Jan 28 22:51:52 <swisstomcat> even a game
Jan 28 22:51:53 <swisstomcat> db stuff
Jan 28 22:51:55 <swisstomcat> canvas
Jan 28 22:52:24 <sugardave> ah cool
Jan 28 22:52:28 <sugardave> will check it out
Jan 28 22:52:56 <maik> sent
Jan 28 22:53:01 * maik crosses his fingers
Jan 28 22:53:56 <swisstomcat> got your app submitted?
Jan 28 22:54:19 <maik> sent an e-mail to chuq about dhclient in webOS
Jan 28 22:54:33 <sugardave> maik: aiming high!
Jan 28 22:54:36 <sugardave> you go, man
Jan 28 22:54:42 <maik> heh
Jan 28 22:55:14 * haeffb writing a "custom dialog" sample for webOS101
Jan 28 22:55:14 <sugardave> you should (if you didn't already) also put it in the bug/feature request forum
Jan 28 22:55:48 <sugardave> more people need to write more things....you know who you are
Jan 28 22:56:48 <maik> i haven't submitted to that forum, will do
Jan 28 22:59:05 <Kuraiou> all the things I want to write are too nerdy for most people :(
Jan 28 22:59:18 <swisstomcat> time for bed
Jan 28 22:59:24 <swisstomcat> good night
Jan 28 22:59:51 <pandora--> anyone in here played with the mediadb service stuff?
Jan 28 23:00:28 <LoneStar99> adios swisstomcat
Jan 28 23:16:03 <maik> sugardave: is the feature request forum you're referring to the "Community Suggestions and Announcements" forum at forums.palm.com ?
Jan 28 23:17:50 <haeffb> bug reports/ feature requests forum at developer.palm.com
Jan 28 23:18:16 <haeffb> hey, dBsooner: how'd it go?
Jan 28 23:18:30 <dBsooner> bad
Jan 28 23:18:43 <dBsooner> you talking about the grey/block only taking up half the screen?
Jan 28 23:18:48 <dBsooner> black*
Jan 28 23:18:53 <haeffb> yep
Jan 28 23:18:57 <dBsooner> yep, it's there.
Jan 28 23:19:07 <haeffb> bummer
Jan 28 23:19:31 <funkatron> hey, is there a technique we can use to cull the size of depot DBs? I suspect that if I just store every tweet received, the Db will eventually grow too large
Jan 28 23:19:35 <haeffb> I'll put together a test app to send to Palm to show them what's up.
Jan 28 23:23:30 <Kuraiou> funkatron: I use spaz as my twitter client of choice on the webOS, good work, I love it! as for figuring out size.... I'm looking into it right now <.<
Jan 28 23:24:30 <funkatron> Kuraiou: thanks! have you ever looked at the source on Github?
Jan 28 23:25:38 <Kuraiou> I have not, no. I didn't realize it was there, and I've been too focused on my own app (among other things) to really read up on other peoples' sources.
Jan 28 23:25:45 <funkatron> Kuraiou: I am thinking I may have to manually cull data out one way or another
Jan 28 23:25:50 <funkatron> right, I dig
Jan 28 23:25:56 <Kuraiou> when you say cull you mean remove, yeah?
Jan 28 23:26:00 <funkatron> yeah
Jan 28 23:26:07 <sugardave> maik: nah, it's on developoer.palm.com
Jan 28 23:26:14 <maik> thanks
Jan 28 23:26:21 <sugardave> ah, I see haeffb beat me to it :D
Jan 28 23:28:04 <funkatron> one issue is that I don't see any way to determine the time saved, or any other metadata, on a depot entry, so it's unclear how you would eliminate things over X old or such
Jan 28 23:29:25 <sugardave> funkatron: one more field...timestamp
Jan 28 23:29:29 <Kuraiou> you would have to store that data yourself.
Jan 28 23:29:32 <Kuraiou> yeah :F
Jan 28 23:29:43 <sugardave> think "olden days"
Jan 28 23:29:49 <Kuraiou> hrm, does sqlite natively support ON UPDATE CURRENT_TIMESTAMP() fields...
Jan 28 23:29:53 * Kuraiou googles
Jan 28 23:30:01 <sugardave> I wouldn't get my hopes up
Jan 28 23:30:06 <funkatron> right, but, the depot API only gives you a key and value to set, yes?
Jan 28 23:30:08 <haeffb> sugardave is slow.
Jan 28 23:30:26 <sugardave> haeffb: AND methodical...the ladies love it
Jan 28 23:30:27 <funkatron> and to check those, I'd need to iteratie over the whole bucket, yes?
Jan 28 23:30:31 <haeffb> lol
Jan 28 23:30:33 <funkatron> iterate, even
Jan 28 23:30:41 <haeffb> this dialog example is complicated.
Jan 28 23:30:43 <sugardave> funkatron: oh yeah...think sqlite
Jan 28 23:30:52 <Kuraiou> yup!
Jan 28 23:31:10 <funkatron> oh, I know it's sqlite in the backend, but I'm trying to avoid just ditching the depot API entirely
Jan 28 23:31:15 <Kuraiou> you'd probably have to abando--
Jan 28 23:31:20 <funkatron> hahah
Jan 28 23:31:24 <Kuraiou> :|
Jan 28 23:31:25 <funkatron> yes, that's what I'm thinking 8D
Jan 28 23:31:29 <sugardave> yeah, that's the deal
Jan 28 23:31:38 <funkatron> I always knew depot sucked.
Jan 28 23:32:05 <Kuraiou> and then you can also get row counts and stuff, too.
Jan 28 23:32:05 <funkatron> does lawnchair support webOS yet?
Jan 28 23:32:18 <funkatron> oh hey, it does
Jan 28 23:32:50 <funkatron> well fuck this noise then
Jan 28 23:33:05 <funkatron> I'll prob end up using this http://github.com/brianleroux/lawnchair
Jan 28 23:33:15 <funkatron> aight, now I'm really leaving. thx fellers.
Jan 28 23:33:24 <sugardave> what does it do?
Jan 28 23:33:24 <deliciousmorsel> 60m copies of windows 7 sold already
Jan 28 23:33:25 <Kuraiou> peace!
Jan 28 23:33:26 <deliciousmorsel> holy crap
Jan 28 23:34:07 <Kuraiou> oh my god thank funkatron for linking this
Jan 28 23:34:11 <Kuraiou> lawnchair looks amazing :O
Jan 28 23:34:19 <sugardave> yeah, that's pretty neat, but I still don't know how to use git
Jan 28 23:34:51 <Kuraiou> git is complicated, but super useful. think svn, but without a central repository.
Jan 28 23:35:06 <Kuraiou> (personally, I still prefer svn)
Jan 28 23:35:36 <sugardave> the only versioning thing I've tried to use is wincvs...and I hate that thing
Jan 28 23:35:49 <sugardave> I'm constantly messing up my crap
Jan 28 23:37:24 <Yatharth> hi everyone
Jan 28 23:37:36 <Kuraiou> heyas
Jan 28 23:37:59 <Kuraiou> http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/gittutorial.html
Jan 28 23:38:44 <Yatharth> i want to create an application in which the user enters some information and that information then gets inserted in a table in the database
Jan 28 23:38:54 <sugardave> Kuraiou: thanks
Jan 28 23:39:13 <Kuraiou> np
Jan 28 23:39:25 <Yatharth> It's like a form which the user fills and when he presses enter the data gets saves in a table
Jan 28 23:39:35 <sugardave> Yatharth: the basic database stuff is covered pretty okay here: http://www.webos101.com/Mojo_Storage_Database
Jan 28 23:40:28 <Yatharth> sugardave:thanx...but i already have this stuff of yours
Jan 28 23:40:36 <sugardave> oh, gotcha :D
Jan 28 23:41:13 <Yatharth> my problem here is how how to take the values from the text fields and then enter them in my table
Jan 28 23:41:16 <sugardave> so, you just really need to adapt that to the record structure you want
Jan 28 23:41:36 <sugardave> Yatharth: in your scene, you have mojo widgets, like textfields, and butttons, etc.
Jan 28 23:41:41 <Yatharth> yes
Jan 28 23:41:57 <sugardave> then event handlers will have data associated with the events that you're listening to
Jan 28 23:42:11 <sugardave> like propertyChange or tap, etc.
Jan 28 23:42:14 <Yatharth> yes...
Jan 28 23:42:32 <Yatharth> but how can take the values entered in the text boxes
Jan 28 23:42:44 <sugardave> so you use that event data, pass it to the insert function and parse it out to match the record structure
Jan 28 23:42:45 <Yatharth> and insert them in my table
Jan 28 23:43:37 <sugardave> just call the function with the right parms...if you get a record's worth of data from the form, pass those values to the right places for the sql query
Jan 28 23:44:00 <Yatharth> hmmm
Jan 28 23:44:06 <Yatharth> let me try
Jan 28 23:44:19 <Kuraiou> Yatharth: when you create a textfield, make sure you have a saved instance of the model
Jan 28 23:44:24 <Kuraiou> the model value updates when you update the text
Jan 28 23:44:35 <Kuraiou> so for instance I have "this.controller.setupWidget('saveTitle', this.textAttributes, this.textModel);"
Jan 28 23:44:42 <Yatharth> ok
Jan 28 23:44:56 <Kuraiou> then my save button function has "this.callbackFunc(this.textModel.value);"
Jan 28 23:45:05 <Kuraiou> see how I refer back to the model's value? that's how you get the data.
Jan 28 23:45:17 <Kuraiou> but Sugardave is also right, if you want to update the db on an event related to that textfield
Jan 28 23:45:28 <Kuraiou> the propertyChange event, most likely
Jan 28 23:45:33 <Kuraiou> then you can get the new value directly from the event data
Jan 28 23:45:45 <Yatharth> ok
Jan 28 23:46:09 <haeffb> sugardave: what you think?  http://webos101.com/Dialogs#Custom_Dialogs
Jan 28 23:46:48 <haeffb> can I upload screen shots to the wiki?
Jan 28 23:47:14 <Yatharth> thanx both of you.i'll try it
Jan 28 23:47:24 <Kuraiou> haeffb: it may be worth noting that you can't use the enter key to submit data in a custom dialog.
Jan 28 23:48:03 <Kuraiou> I had a long discussion with someone on here about that <.<
Jan 28 23:48:03 <haeffb> Kuraiou: go ahead and note it... :)
Jan 28 23:48:06 <Kuraiou> hehehe
Jan 28 23:48:18 <haeffb> that's why it's on a wiki...
Jan 28 23:50:14 <Kuraiou> done~
Jan 28 23:50:19 <Kuraiou> and I've bookmarked webos101 too.
Jan 28 23:52:56 <sugardave> haeffb: awesome
Jan 28 23:53:23 <sugardave> not sure about pics
Jan 28 23:53:38 <sugardave> you'll have to catch Roy
Jan 28 23:54:37 <haeffb> is it understandable?
Jan 28 23:55:16 <sugardave> yeah, I grokked it the first time through
Jan 28 23:55:58 <haeffb> Ok, if you see Roy, slap some duct tape on him.
Jan 28 23:56:06 <sugardave> Roy-Pre101: ping
Jan 28 23:56:18 <Roy-Pre101> pong
Jan 28 23:56:19 <haeffb> or do that
Jan 28 23:56:27 <sugardave> hey, can we upload pics to webos101?
Jan 28 23:56:31 <haeffb> Roy-Pre101: can I upload screenshots to the wiki?
Jan 28 23:56:33 <Roy-Pre101> Um, maybe?
Jan 28 23:57:04 <Roy-Pre101> I'm not sure if it's configured for that or not.  If anyone knows the quick way to enable it I will.  Or even if it's a good idea to do so...
Jan 28 23:57:04 <sugardave> I think you might need some module enabled or something
Jan 28 23:57:24 <sugardave> well, yeah, there's the possibility of bad behavior
Jan 28 23:57:25 <sugardave> hmm
Jan 28 23:58:48 <haeffb> I promise not to post the pics from JenP's app.
Jan 28 23:59:09 <sugardave> haha
Jan 28 23:59:23 <sugardave> not just you, I deleted a spam link out of there today
Jan 29 00:03:49 <haeffb> dBsooner: It's not a bug. I had background: url('../images/background.png') center center no-repeat;
Jan 29 00:05:03 <haeffb> Or it may be a bug, but removing 'center center' makes it work as I intended. It is position: fixed, top:0px, left:0px with 320x480 .png
Jan 29 00:07:43 <deliciousmorsel> is it center or middle
Jan 29 00:07:49 <deliciousmorsel> center i think
Jan 29 00:08:23 <deliciousmorsel> yeah it is center
Jan 29 00:09:09 <pandora--> anybody played with the "unofficial" mediadb service api?
Jan 29 00:09:19 <pandora--> for getting access to pics/vids/music etc?
Jan 29 00:09:21 <haeffb> well, with the 'center center' it is apparently positioning the background at -240 Y instead of 0
Jan 29 00:09:47 <haeffb> whether that is correct behavior or not, I don't know.
Jan 29 00:10:23 <deliciousmorsel> sounds like a bug
Jan 29 00:13:19 <pandora--> damn
Jan 29 00:15:57 <haeffb> warning: Zameti's book is intended for younger eyes than mine.
Jan 29 00:19:23 <Kuraiou> ?
Jan 29 00:21:01 <codeslaw> evening all
Jan 29 00:21:50 <Kuraiou> evening
Jan 29 00:22:38 <codeslaw> trying to think of a name for my painting app
Jan 29 00:23:21 <codeslaw> does SketchPaint sound compelling/professional enough?
Jan 29 00:24:00 <Kuraiou> fingerpaint lolololololololo SketchPaint is a bit awkward, since it's two verbs that imply the same action but at different skill levels/with different intensity.
Jan 29 00:24:16 <codeslaw> fingerpaint has been a serious option
Jan 29 00:24:20 <codeslaw> i wanted to do Paintr
Jan 29 00:24:30 <codeslaw> is that too cliche?
Jan 29 00:24:54 <codeslaw> some lady posted a terrible html drawing app that she called paintr on her blog, i don't think copyright is an issue
Jan 29 00:24:56 <Kuraiou> I think FingerPaint is clever and fun, and says more about you than the other two options you've suggested. I like Paintr a lot more than SketchPaint because that implies a lot about your design philosophy, too.
Jan 29 00:25:14 <codeslaw> what Paintr imply to you?
Jan 29 00:25:19 <Kuraiou> I would suggest Sketchr as an alternative, but it just makes me think of the shoes :(
Jan 29 00:25:26 <codeslaw> haha ya
Jan 29 00:25:37 <haeffb> Kuraiou: small font. old eyes.
Jan 29 00:26:05 <Kuraiou> A paint program that's clean and elegant, with big usable buttons and easy shortcuts, and probably some kind of way to network data.
Jan 29 00:26:12 <Kuraiou> I would expect a Paintr program to have some way to hook into flickr
Jan 29 00:26:26 <Kuraiou> or one of the missing-the-last-vowel web 2.0 dealies.
Jan 29 00:26:30 <Kuraiou> haeffb: oh <.<
Jan 29 00:26:32 <codeslaw> truth
Jan 29 00:27:00 <codeslaw> hooking into flickr would be AWESOME... if Palm let me access the image data URL
Jan 29 00:27:10 <codeslaw> or even just the raw data
Jan 29 00:34:24 <jfelectron> codeslaw: the canvas support is half-baked....irritating
Jan 29 00:34:37 <codeslaw> indeed
Jan 29 00:40:30 <Kuraiou> why in the name of God are short open tags not defaulted to on in PHP >:|
Jan 29 00:40:46 <Kuraiou> every time I've ever set up php on a server I've run into issues with that.
Jan 29 00:42:16 <jfelectron> Kuralou: umm...you can configure it...just write  a setup script that rolls it out
Jan 29 00:42:47 <jfelectron> its disabled so that you can use inline XML
Jan 29 00:43:03 <jfelectron> which is pretty durned common
Jan 29 00:44:23 <Kuraiou> :/
Jan 29 00:47:16 <pandora--> Kuraiou: heheh
Jan 29 00:47:23 <pandora--> php is so 2002
Jan 29 00:47:25 <pandora--> come on now
Jan 29 00:48:20 <jfelectron> pandora--: come now...PHP has many advantages over JS
Jan 29 00:49:22 <jfelectron> they're complementary.....one does not rule the other....I'd love to have native (yes available through optware) PHP CLI on the Pre
Jan 29 00:50:57 <pandora--> over JS, yeah true
Jan 29 00:51:24 <pandora--> i'm just thinking of serverside languages
Jan 29 00:51:33 <pandora--> which, for me, php ranks pretty low
Jan 29 00:51:38 <pandora--> but still above perl :)
Jan 29 00:51:44 <jfelectron> pandora--: yeah OK...ruby rules
Jan 29 00:52:22 <pandora--> woot
Jan 29 00:52:26 <pandora--> i use Groovy
Jan 29 00:52:32 <pandora--> which is just the java ripoff of ruby
Jan 29 00:52:36 <pandora--> so, ya, that works ):
Jan 29 00:52:40 <pandora--> er. :)
Jan 29 01:03:17 <pandora--> is there an easy way to print/dump a js object?
Jan 29 01:03:32 <pandora--> for some reason i recall there being some kind of object to json function
Jan 29 01:03:37 <pandora--> but.... google has failed me
Jan 29 01:03:43 <sugardave> Object.toJSON(object);
Jan 29 01:03:48 <pandora--> oooh
Jan 29 01:03:48 <sugardave> makes the string
Jan 29 01:03:52 <pandora--> makes the win
Jan 29 01:04:23 <sugardave> i don't think it recurses
Jan 29 01:04:45 <sugardave> wait, maybe it does
Jan 29 01:04:49 <sugardave> it should, I think
Jan 29 01:09:42 <pandora--> looked like it
Jan 29 01:09:46 * pandora-- happydance
Jan 29 01:19:47 <pandora--> is there any good reason why some webos devs use the MyClass.prototype.myfunction = function() {...}
Jan 29 01:20:05 <pandora--> and others use the function: myfunction() {...},
Jan 29 01:20:06 <pandora--> ?
Jan 29 01:22:33 <haeffb> depends on when you're adding the functions?
Jan 29 01:22:56 <haeffb> .prototype allows you to add functions to an object after the object has already been created.
Jan 29 01:30:22 <JenP> hi all!
Jan 29 01:34:15 <LoneStar99> hello JenP
Jan 29 01:34:26 <JenP> hey LoneStar99
Jan 29 01:34:38 <haeffb> hey jen
Jan 29 01:35:16 <JenP> hi haeffb
Jan 29 01:38:00 <LoneStar99> will the pre get screwed up not doing the "safe" hardware remove from windows?
Jan 29 01:38:50 <haeffb> never has for me
Jan 29 01:39:11 <LoneStar99> ok, good enough
Jan 29 01:39:28 <haeffb> JenP: I added a custom dialog example to webos101. Can you review to see if it's explained clearly?
Jan 29 01:40:00 <haeffb> http://www.webos101.com/Dialogs
Jan 29 01:40:39 <JenP> haeffb sure will
Jan 29 01:41:54 <LoneStar99> Check Republic translation services in Pakistan
Jan 29 01:43:14 <LoneStar99> got a site where peeps can write up whatever - and that is the newest entry
Jan 29 01:43:51 <LoneStar99> perhaps they meant "Czech"
Jan 29 01:46:30 <JenP> haeffb it looks REALLY good
Jan 29 01:46:52 <haeffb> cool. thanks!
Jan 29 01:47:01 <JenP> no thank you
Jan 29 01:50:26 <haeffb_asleep> going to call it a night a bit early.  laters.
Jan 29 01:50:36 <JenP> g'nite haeffb_asleep
Jan 29 01:53:08 <LoneStar99> laters
Jan 29 02:00:50 <codeslaw> photoshop can die in a fire
Jan 29 02:01:25 <eWizardII> what?
Jan 29 02:01:28 <eWizardII> Why?
Jan 29 02:01:56 <eWizardII> I thought Premiere was the lame one it's always crashing on me and of course no auto save.
Jan 29 02:21:27 <JenP> hmm can you add a header to a listSelector?
Jan 29 02:22:59 <haeffb_asleep> header?
Jan 29 02:23:17 <JenP> yeah like a title...wait go to bed!
Jan 29 02:23:42 <JenP> btw like how you put the scroller info in you tutorial
Jan 29 02:24:22 <codeslaw> eWizzardII: it crashes all the freaking time on my mac
Jan 29 02:25:12 <haeffb_asleep> you could put it into a palm-group
Jan 29 02:25:23 <JenP> really?
Jan 29 02:25:40 <JenP> well i'm just gonna have to try that
Jan 29 02:26:19 <haeffb_asleep> look at the entry scene on myles
Jan 29 02:26:28 <JenP> kk
Jan 29 02:26:39 <haeffb_asleep> the vehicle and business entries are list selectors. with labels. in a palm-group
Jan 29 02:28:40 <JenP> ohhh no i want a title to come up with the pop up
Jan 29 02:28:56 <JenP> more because I just wanna see if it can be done
Jan 29 02:29:05 <JenP> i really like how myles looks
Jan 29 02:31:33 <atlanta> heyyy
Jan 29 02:31:42 <JenP> hi atlanta!
Jan 29 02:32:12 <atlanta> JenP: whats new
Jan 29 02:32:13 <atlanta> ?
Jan 29 02:32:40 <JenP> Not much you?
Jan 29 02:33:13 <codeslaw> does linking to hash tags work in long html docs?
Jan 29 02:33:51 <JenP> ugh just found a but in my code....i hate bugs
Jan 29 02:34:08 <swishy> JenP: least you found it!
Jan 29 02:34:09 <swishy> ;)
Jan 29 02:34:31 <JenP> (sw)
Jan 29 02:35:38 <haeffb_asleep> oh. Like the first entry to be a "header"
Jan 29 02:35:45 <codeslaw> The answer is yes, i just had a typo.  They just jump to the div though, would be nice if they scrolled, but i don't feel like hooking up the javascript
Jan 29 02:35:49 <JenP> yeah haeffb
Jan 29 02:36:00 <haeffb_asleep> dont know if that's possible.
Jan 29 02:36:08 <JenP> so you wrote that tutorial today huh? conference not too stimulating?
Jan 29 02:36:31 <haeffb_asleep> back home
Jan 29 02:36:41 <JenP> ohhhh
Jan 29 02:36:55 <haeffb_asleep> left at noon today
Jan 29 02:38:48 <JenP> eeekkk...gotta jet. "date night" talk to you all tomorrow
Jan 29 02:42:18 <dick-richardson> I have me, my wife, and my son as contacts with our home phone # in each, but I want my wife's custom ringtone to sound when I'm called...any suggestions?
Jan 29 02:43:28 <swishy> dick-richardson: set them all to your wifes ringtone
Jan 29 02:43:29 <swishy> ;)
Jan 29 02:44:02 <dick-richardson> swishy: don't really want to hear 'face down, ass up' when my son calls...
Jan 29 02:51:17 <haeffb_pre> how will your phone know which is calling?
Jan 29 02:54:09 <swishy> dick-richardson: er...ok
Jan 29 02:54:29 * swishy wouldnt think that would have been appropriate regardless ;)
Jan 29 02:54:39 <LoneStar99> what is a web distributed app?
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