screws it royally. Jan 30 04:49:12 mwahaha Jan 30 04:51:06 Can you put a surrounding div around everything? Jan 30 04:51:49 hmm, that's an excellent idea Jan 30 04:51:57 yes, you can Jan 30 04:52:35 So, lesson learned: Only one

allowed in a list widget row. Jan 30 04:52:46 you are the man, sir Jan 30 04:54:06 thanks. we all have our moments... : Jan 30 04:54:11 :) Jan 30 04:54:22 and the beer helped. Jan 30 04:54:48 drinking a beer here! cheers! Jan 30 04:54:49 i think i'll write a how-to / sample a little later :) Jan 30 04:56:23 http://www.webos101.com Jan 30 04:56:32 yep, gonna do that Jan 30 04:57:11 how long does it take for an app submitted for web distro to hit? Jan 30 04:57:29 right now though, going to watch Gamer on BluRay :D Jan 30 04:57:31 laters Jan 30 04:57:31 no idea Jan 30 04:57:39 c ya Jan 30 05:00:17 crasheed: there's always homebrew Jan 30 05:02:40 it's already on homebrew lol Jan 30 05:02:44 it's called Music Wave Jan 30 05:03:22 sorry. my bad. Jan 30 05:03:33 so i am trying to submit my free app, and i want it available everywhere, but it's forcing me to fill out the german/spanish app info Jan 30 05:03:44 should i just put the english descriptions, if i don't have a means for translation? Jan 30 05:03:55 you should Jan 30 05:04:03 select on the locale page Jan 30 05:04:11 english even for the other countries Jan 30 05:04:25 then it won't ask you for translated text Jan 30 05:04:37 because those are required for the app catalog of the language Jan 30 05:05:42 * haeffb hates the minimum 5 minutes for alarms Jan 30 05:05:43 Anyone here know how long wed distro takes to hit from submit to web? Jan 30 05:06:01 haeffb why arn't u use the calander mathod to set alarms Jan 30 05:06:06 no 5min minimum Jan 30 05:06:27 "at" instead of "in" ? Jan 30 05:06:55 yea Jan 30 05:07:03 just convert the minutes to seconds Jan 30 05:07:05 actually I am. But 5 mins is the minimum value in my listSelector widget. Jan 30 05:07:05 if I un-check german, i can't submit to germany, and if i uncheck spanish, i cant submit to spain Jan 30 05:07:08 append it to new Date Jan 30 05:07:14 ROFL Jan 30 05:07:20 why did u set a 5 min minimum Jan 30 05:07:36 it would take me 30 seconds to add a 30 second option for testing. Jan 30 05:07:53 instead, I've wasted an hour waiting for multiple 5 min increments. Jan 30 05:07:55 lol Jan 30 05:08:13 just change the minimum value to 1min Jan 30 05:08:30 if your building an alarm app people want it by minutes Jan 30 05:08:56 i'm just going to put the english description there as well, so i can distribute to everywhere Jan 30 05:09:02 lol Jan 30 05:09:10 is this for app or web? Jan 30 05:09:16 catalog? Jan 30 05:09:34 no, it's a Myles app. Reminder to enter ending mileage for a trip. 1 minute trips are probably uncommon. Jan 30 05:09:43 ROFL Jan 30 05:10:11 okay 1min is uncommon but what about like 17min? Jan 30 05:10:20 can they select that or does it got by 5 10 15 20 Jan 30 05:10:35 5, 10, 30, 1 hr, 5 hr, 8 hr, 10 hr Jan 30 05:10:50 so, I'm adding a "snooze" functionality Jan 30 05:10:52 hrmm intresting Jan 30 05:11:10 i'd hafta know more about the app to give a good opionion then :( Jan 30 05:11:13 eventually will add GPS functionality Jan 30 05:11:39 http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/220436-milez.html Jan 30 05:12:01 how bad of an idea is google translate for app descriptions? Jan 30 05:12:24 the spanish one i feel OK about, i can read spanish and it seems pretty good overall Jan 30 05:12:30 but german would be totally blind Jan 30 05:12:58 codeslaw: talk to MetaView or swisstomcat Jan 30 05:12:59 heh what do you got to lose? Jan 30 05:13:19 there are German-speaking denizens of #webos Jan 30 05:13:32 true.. though they are sound asleep right now Jan 30 05:13:36 ^ Jan 30 05:13:45 they'll be up shortly Jan 30 05:14:00 really? i guess i ought to wait Jan 30 05:14:40 it is 6:14 am in Switzerland according to Google. Jan 30 05:15:01 could be a couple of hours yet. "shortly" is relative Jan 30 05:15:39 true Jan 30 05:15:48 i have the english version in there right now Jan 30 05:16:00 does changing an app description require a full re-submission? Jan 30 05:16:12 how frickin' awesome is google, that I could just type "time Switzerland" and it tells me? Jan 30 05:17:54 haeffb: yahoo does it also Jan 30 05:18:07 Time is 6:17 am (CET) on Saturday, Jan 30, 2010 - Bern, Switzerland Jan 30 05:19:09 well, 20 years ago, I'd have had to leaf through Encyclopeida Brittanica Jan 30 05:19:13 ask.com does it the best real-time kinda awesom Jan 30 05:19:30 check out ask Jan 30 05:19:47 pretty killer Jan 30 05:24:18 lonestar99 you ever submit to web catalog? Jan 30 05:24:21 yes, nice Jan 30 05:26:33 crasheed: yeah 2 apps Jan 30 05:28:45 how long did it take to go from submit to web catalog? Jan 30 05:29:57 crasheed: I've heard it takes an hour or two Jan 30 05:30:01 from Adora... Jan 30 05:30:13 lol tibfib my app got denied XD Jan 30 05:30:24 crasheed: which one? Jan 30 05:30:29 music wave Jan 30 05:30:32 oh yeah Jan 30 05:30:37 Nice Jan 30 05:30:40 why? Jan 30 05:30:45 While the concept of downloading music directly to your device is an engaging one, your application allows music that is copyrighted to be downloaded directly to a user�s device. Without verification that the music files in question come from legal and legitimate sources, we cannot publish this application in the App Catalog. If you can make changes that would bring your applications into compliance with our content guidelines, pleas Jan 30 05:31:02 they don't like that it can download Jan 30 05:31:02 :O Jan 30 05:31:08 adora lied... >.< Jan 30 05:31:08 so i'm thinking of disableing downloading Jan 30 05:31:13 and only allowing streaming Jan 30 05:31:24 crasheed: then make it cheaper? Jan 30 05:31:29 meh diffrent reviewers have diffrent opions i think Jan 30 05:31:30 crasheed: they don't mind that it downloads. but downloading from what sources... Jan 30 05:31:55 ah I see Jan 30 05:32:16 I don't think you can submit the full version to web catalog(if that's what you are talking about) Jan 30 05:32:21 no i'm thinking of releaseing a stream only version to app and the paid one to web Jan 30 05:32:32 the full as in can download Jan 30 05:32:40 yea Jan 30 05:32:48 crasheed: the first approval took 1.5 months Jan 30 05:32:56 WHAT Jan 30 05:33:02 for the WEB CATALOG? Jan 30 05:33:09 wait... Jan 30 05:33:12 no.... Jan 30 05:33:12 what about the second Jan 30 05:33:34 Wait so crasheed are you trying to submit the "full" lite version to the web catalog? Jan 30 05:33:45 app is submitted Jan 30 05:33:46 crasheed: What's your source for downloading? Jan 30 05:33:51 hopefully, not a long wait =D Jan 30 05:33:59 crasheed: the problem i zipped the IPKs not knowing the palm mail server scrap zip files... Jan 30 05:34:06 rofl Jan 30 05:34:37 the sources are results listed on mp3 search engines Jan 30 05:35:02 Did we discuss this before? Jan 30 05:35:09 yes we did XD Jan 30 05:35:11 LOL Jan 30 05:35:14 Yeah Jan 30 05:35:22 I thought I remembered this conversation Jan 30 05:35:28 u sed they'd prolly allow it but that i should keep it to homebrew Jan 30 05:35:45 I think I said to keep it homebrew Jan 30 05:35:50 yes Jan 30 05:36:39 Yeah, it's not going in the app catalog Jan 30 05:36:59 yea it's looking that way Jan 30 05:38:54 on the bright side thou it's getting a decent number of ad clicks just from homebrew :D Jan 30 05:39:22 Who did you go with? Jan 30 05:39:40 it's only with admob right now Jan 30 05:39:47 crasheed: how "safe" are those mp3's? Jan 30 05:39:57 crasheed: Switch it for a different ad network quickly Jan 30 05:40:18 Your fill rate will drop to less than 1% in a few days Jan 30 05:40:32 LOL Jan 30 05:40:35 it has been dropping Jan 30 05:40:39 but i dunno who to gowith Jan 30 05:40:47 it was at 1.6% at one time Jan 30 05:40:59 now it's like less than 1 Jan 30 05:41:18 oh fill rate Jan 30 05:41:23 i thought u ment ctr rate Jan 30 05:41:33 my fill rate stays above 80% Jan 30 05:41:46 For a few days, yes. That's how they hook you. Jan 30 05:41:50 And then...down down down Jan 30 05:42:07 who would you recommend then? Jan 30 05:42:13 Smaato Jan 30 05:52:05 hrmm i'll hafta look into them Jan 30 05:56:12 can anyone guess what the MOST search music term is for homebrew users? Jan 30 05:56:22 I got lotsa cool stats from my Music Wave app :D Jan 30 05:56:31 crasheed: FIREFLIESSSSSS Jan 30 05:56:36 lol Jan 30 05:57:18 1 Lil wayne 520 Jan 30 05:57:19 2 Drake 285 Jan 30 05:57:19 3 Eminem 279 Jan 30 05:57:19 4 Lady gaga 204 Jan 30 05:57:19 5 Jay z 166 Jan 30 05:57:40 Aww come on. How is fireflies not ahead? Jan 30 05:58:09 heh it's not even in the top 100 Jan 30 05:58:17 fireflies the gay "song" no offense to the gay Jan 30 05:58:19 sorry tib Jan 30 05:58:38 dang. Guess no one on pre listens to that stuff Jan 30 05:58:46 things are looking good for the pre :D Jan 30 05:58:58 Although....lady gaga.... Jan 30 05:59:01 my little sister probably loves it Jan 30 05:59:39 Jay z should be higher thou because Jay z is at 166 and Jay-z is at 81 Jan 30 05:59:45 heh Jan 30 06:08:49 how does one implement custom keyboard commands? Jan 30 06:12:40 you grab Jan 30 06:12:50 ummm Jan 30 06:12:53 listen to keypress? Jan 30 06:12:55 lemme find my example Jan 30 06:13:03 you make like if keypress = 137 Jan 30 06:13:05 or sumthing Jan 30 06:13:36 OK...but how about multiple key commands. How do I know their simultaneous keypress? Jan 30 06:13:52 also listen to keyup and forget keypresses if that occurs? Jan 30 06:17:06 if (event.originalEvent != undefined && event.originalEvent.type == "keyup") Jan 30 06:17:22 if (event.originalEvent.keyCode == 13 && $('search_status_icon').hasClassName('typing')) Jan 30 06:17:42 keycode == 13 is enter Jan 30 06:18:02 you could have like keycode ==1 && keycode == 2 etc Jan 30 06:18:19 ahh OK...thanks! Jan 30 06:18:30 is there a list somewhere of the keycodes? Jan 30 06:18:34 experiment i've actually never tried multiple keys Jan 30 06:18:42 OK...will try Jan 30 06:19:06 google ascii keycodes Jan 30 06:19:22 umm one of the sample apps in the Palm SDK Jan 30 06:19:27 has a keypress recorder Jan 30 06:19:32 that tells you what code each key is Jan 30 06:19:37 I'm guessing you might have to remember the first press and then as long as you don't hear a keyup then also remember the second press Jan 30 06:19:46 maybe Jan 30 06:20:00 like i sed look for the sample app in the palm sdk Jan 30 06:20:04 'simultaneous' isn't necessarily in terms of the events Jan 30 06:20:06 one of them deals with keypresses Jan 30 06:20:08 will do....thanks Jan 30 06:21:33 haeffb_asleep: wow...ur smart while zzzz ing Jan 30 06:21:53 browsing thru zammetti's book Jan 30 06:24:11 I have that as a pdf....haven't really found it that useful, didn't pay for it though so i can't really complain Jan 30 06:24:34 used my amazon gift cert from palm Jan 30 06:26:06 used my bittorrent client Jan 30 06:26:11 :) Jan 30 06:27:30 i heard that the webOS books out are full of errors Jan 30 06:27:51 sup jfelectron Jan 30 06:28:24 heyas....not much, ui tweking here and there Jan 30 06:28:50 tired...but still typing Jan 30 06:32:36 listenging to fireflies Jan 30 06:32:45 it is on shoutcast right now Jan 30 06:32:48 lol Jan 30 06:33:08 oh I thought you mean literally? Jan 30 06:35:15 earlier we where chatting, how lame the song was Jan 30 06:36:04 wasn't me....but yeah Owl city is on the whole pretty lame Jan 30 06:36:12 evening Jan 30 06:36:12 again Jan 30 06:36:19 some dude in his bedroom Jan 30 06:36:30 with garage band Jan 30 06:37:04 lol Jan 30 06:38:44 did you guys see how much RadioTime is pulling in each day from ad revenues? Jan 30 06:39:17 no, quite a bit? Jan 30 06:39:35 $500-$1000 PER day Jan 30 06:39:37 yah...holy crap. Jan 30 06:39:37 nope... Jan 30 06:39:38 yeah Jan 30 06:39:41 holy crap Jan 30 06:39:46 seriosuly Jan 30 06:39:55 that's f'ing insane Jan 30 06:40:24 reality was mentioning that some days back... it is nuts Jan 30 06:40:24 but then reality said that was less than his day job Jan 30 06:40:39 are you kidding me? Jan 30 06:40:48 nope Jan 30 06:40:51 Sheeshh Jan 30 06:41:02 average $500-$1000 per day is what, $750? * 365... Jan 30 06:41:15 365,000 at most Jan 30 06:41:18 yeah....do the math...makes you sick Jan 30 06:41:28 he seems to know how to work the adevertisment thing Jan 30 06:41:33 indeed Jan 30 06:41:35 i'll say Jan 30 06:41:42 Yeah... dang. I might never go paid Jan 30 06:41:50 Adsssss Jan 30 06:41:57 well...RadioTime as a company was well established before the app....so they had ad channels already established Jan 30 06:42:11 i will go paid, it is a for sure thing Jan 30 06:42:20 The thing is, I dont think he gets all of that ad revenue Jan 30 06:42:29 no...I'm sure he doesn't Jan 30 06:42:34 the ad market is like our banks, "to big" to fail Jan 30 06:42:51 I meant to ask him his split....but he prob wouldn't/couldn't disclose Jan 30 06:43:02 LoneStar:...yeah I just cant decide Jan 30 06:43:13 jfelectron: already did one day Jan 30 06:43:26 wouldn't/couldn't tell me Jan 30 06:43:33 yeah...figured as much Jan 30 06:45:32 Man... I need to make an app everyone wants... Jan 30 06:45:33 :O Jan 30 06:46:18 honestly one of the biggest problems with the app catalog, is that apps are not being found Jan 30 06:46:39 its the plague of all app stores Jan 30 06:46:46 i haven't gone looking for any apps as i haven't really felt the need Jan 30 06:47:07 working on a solution.... Jan 30 06:47:33 i love my phone, but unless it helps productivity or is a quick mindless game i don't personally see a need for it Jan 30 06:47:48 all these whiz-bang 3d games are well and good, but meh Jan 30 06:48:12 that's what i have a 360 for :) Jan 30 06:48:13 maik: heh. try countdown Jan 30 06:48:13 yeah...they're cool...but I don't really have the inclination to sit down with my phone and play them Jan 30 06:48:18 it can be mindless :D Jan 30 06:48:23 sweet Jan 30 06:48:28 yup...I have a PS3 Jan 30 06:48:31 though i do admit i've been wanting to try xplane Jan 30 06:48:34 its tricky starting out but its fun Jan 30 06:48:36 anyone one know how what a direct link to the app catalog looks like? Jan 30 06:48:57 like this? http://developer.palm.com/webChannel/index.php?packageid=com.tibfib.countdown Jan 30 06:49:40 well that is for the web Jan 30 06:49:51 nope Jan 30 06:49:56 it's in the catalog Jan 30 06:50:33 downloading Jan 30 06:50:36 it looks like a url but it will redirect to the catalog Jan 30 06:50:37 i mean, in the phone that link take you to a webpage not the app catalog page right? Jan 30 06:50:53 lone: nope it takes it to the catalog Jan 30 06:51:04 maik: do you want an update? Jan 30 06:51:11 a MAJOR update since the catalog version Jan 30 06:51:16 Ok kids....catch you later Jan 30 06:51:17 sure Jan 30 06:51:32 ok laters Jfelectron Jan 30 06:51:57 Tibfib: ok will test it tommorrow, my pre wifi sucks right now Jan 30 06:52:18 Lonestar: just confimed it Jan 30 06:52:40 agh i'm already addicted Jan 30 06:52:49 now to find patterns Jan 30 06:52:59 haha the update has color Jan 30 06:53:07 it is much better with color Jan 30 06:57:03 Tibfib: how did you do it? Jan 30 06:57:25 did you type it into the browser? Jan 30 06:57:33 phone browser? Jan 30 06:58:23 do what? Jan 30 06:58:32 Oh, I just "sent it to my phone" Jan 30 06:58:41 and it texted me the link Jan 30 06:59:00 what did the link look like? Jan 30 06:59:07 on the pre? Jan 30 06:59:17 yeah Jan 30 06:59:19 http://developer.palm.com/webChannel/index.php?packageid=com.tibfib.countdown Jan 30 06:59:22 just like that Jan 30 06:59:30 wait Jan 30 06:59:32 just kidding Jan 30 06:59:36 it is a little different Jan 30 07:00:01 http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.tibfib.countdown Jan 30 07:00:04 perhaps redirect Jan 30 07:00:13 yeah ok that is what i thougt Jan 30 07:00:32 ok thanks... doing some tests... Jan 30 07:01:29 ah but clicking on http://developer.palm.com/webChannel/index.php?packageid=com.tibfib.countdown directly from pre launches the web page Jan 30 07:03:20 what about clicking on this: http://uoid.me/palm6 Jan 30 07:03:27 from your phone Jan 30 07:05:23 it launched the web app...then the catalog Jan 30 07:06:23 ok so it goes directly to the app catalog not the "app webpage" right Jan 30 07:06:36 After opening the web page first Jan 30 07:06:42 and leaving the web app open Jan 30 07:07:23 ok thanks, gonna test it on my pre tommorrow Jan 30 07:07:51 it might just be my version of webos... Jan 30 07:08:03 what version u using? Jan 30 07:08:19 not 1.3.5.1 Jan 30 07:08:29 :) Jan 30 07:08:42 afraid to upgrade... =) Jan 30 07:09:40 :D Jan 30 07:10:18 i should do my current app in palm-dark Jan 30 07:10:46 Alright so I have a question, do you have to reference the global-dark.css file to do palm-dark? Jan 30 07:11:02 no idea, you're the one with the dark app Jan 30 07:11:10 Well I do it in a round about way Jan 30 07:11:26 because for some reason it wont pick it up unless I include the CSS and images within my app Jan 30 07:13:34 ya i don't know Jan 30 07:13:53 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1630 says wrap the scene in a div with class="palm-scene palm-dark" but when i do that nothing changes Jan 30 07:14:15 Yeahhhhhh it wont work for me either Jan 30 07:16:24 earlier in my app development tried palm dark and did not work for me either, so now users are able to choose their own color Jan 30 07:20:03 hmm Jan 30 07:20:37 Tibfib: i took a second step and changed "theme" : "light", to "dark" in appinfo.json Jan 30 07:20:59 text is styled differently and a few others are too, but row items and list hasnt' changed colors Jan 30 07:21:13 text is white now and list item separators seem darker, as do the drawers Jan 30 07:21:36 removing the "theme" line altogether seems to do the same as changing it to dark Jan 30 07:22:35 Yeah I've tried doing that as well... idk why it doesn't work Jan 30 07:23:42 hah! got one step further Jan 30 07:23:58 in index.html, darkens things up nicely Jan 30 07:24:12 though my page header is still lighter than i'd like Jan 30 07:24:19 that's a glitch Jan 30 07:24:28 it has to be "multi-line" to work properly Jan 30 07:25:00 So the combination of theme: dark, and worked? Jan 30 07:25:02 i was just about to ask since yours was dark Jan 30 07:25:26 i've also got a wrapper around my scene with class="palm-scene palm-dark" though i don't know if that's required. going to remove it Jan 30 07:26:02 ya, don't need that last bit Jan 30 07:26:13 okay, I'm going to try that Jan 30 07:27:58 DANG... looks like it works Jan 30 07:29:45 wow...that's dumb Jan 30 07:30:02 I did both of those things, just not at the same time... >.< Jan 30 07:30:05 nice job maik Jan 30 07:30:15 :D Jan 30 07:30:37 i need a nice bar or spacer between my page-header and list...hmm Jan 30 07:30:59 I do

or there is a header spacer div Jan 30 07:31:09 Tibfib: you are right the appredirect? works on the device, well time for some age of empires 2 Jan 30 07:31:24 i tried palm-header-spacer but it's like 50px tall Jan 30 07:31:44 Ah... how much space do you need? Jan 30 07:32:17 just a bit, i was hoping for something a little colorful, nice thin blue vertical-gradient bar or something Jan 30 07:32:17 lates guys Jan 30 07:32:20 nothing i can't make myself i guess Jan 30 07:32:22 night LoneStar99 Jan 30 07:32:25 cya Jan 30 07:47:53 look what i did! http://webos101.com/Code_Snippets#Creating_a_Dark_Themed_App Jan 30 07:47:54 :D Jan 30 07:52:02 nice job Jan 30 08:08:27 is there an easy way to get the app's icon into a page-header ? Jan 30 08:08:36 palm-page-header* Jan 30 08:09:05 don't they have a style set up for it already? Jan 30 08:10:15 * maik shrug Jan 30 08:10:37 have you looked through the style matters app? Jan 30 08:11:34 ya, it's only got classes for built-in icons Jan 30 08:11:45 though it says there's a header with a custom icon, it's not very custom Jan 30 08:11:51 as it's a built-in one as well Jan 30 08:12:16 change the name and image for the built in one and call it from your style sheet. overriding palms Jan 30 08:12:41 well sure if you're going to be obvious about it Jan 30 08:13:15 lol Jan 30 08:13:33 i'm sorry maybe i can think of a more obscure way in the morning Jan 30 08:17:40 :D Jan 30 08:17:53 speaking of which, i think it's time for me to tuck myself in Jan 30 08:17:54 night Jan 30 08:18:00 night Jan 30 08:19:27 cya **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jan 30 08:39:17 2010 Jan 30 09:04:01 For those that are interested re Facebook and timezone issues: http://geeklog.lucid.net.au/article.php?story=20091211084306281 Jan 30 11:50:57 anyone around... Jan 30 11:51:22 hi Jan 30 11:52:02 hello Jan 30 11:54:30 is it morning or afteroon for you? Jan 30 11:55:40 afternoon) Jan 30 11:56:39 u in europe? Jan 30 11:56:52 yes, in Prague Jan 30 11:58:32 cool, is it still cold there? Jan 30 12:00:19 the snow is on the the streets but the sun is shining today and warm like for a winter Jan 30 12:02:49 sound like a nice day Jan 30 12:03:13 yes) it is a really nice day Jan 30 12:05:15 my internet is really bad, Jan 30 12:06:01 and where are you from? Jan 30 12:06:44 usa - texas Jan 30 12:07:16 cool) i've never been to usa Jan 30 12:09:51 same, never been to the czech rep. Jan 30 12:10:14 did you ever see "czech dream" Jan 30 12:10:50 to be honest, i'm not from cz, i live here for a 5 month) Jan 30 12:11:54 "?esk� sen" Jan 30 12:12:09 oh ok, it is a great film Jan 30 12:12:13 no, i didn't saw it Jan 30 12:16:41 6 wins & 1 nomination, good Jan 30 12:17:37 u working on an app? Jan 30 12:17:59