**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 03 02:59:56 2010 Feb 03 03:00:18 hey haeffb-wirc who's winning ? Feb 03 03:01:50 bah, where's a codeslaw when you have something humorous to tell him Feb 03 03:17:11 Bmyers: Macon girls lost and boys won vs. their rival South Shelby. Feb 03 03:20:27 LoneStar99: what's the screenshot? Feb 03 03:21:26 http://buildasearch.com/img/bas_app14.gif Feb 03 03:23:32 clears alot more space for results. used to look like this: http://buildasearch.com/img/bas_app12.gif Feb 03 03:23:39 nice button in a textfield Feb 03 03:24:30 thanks. next release will clear more space. Feb 03 03:39:07 Is there a way to determine the signal strength of the currently connected WiFi connection (through programming, not the UI)? Feb 03 03:55:34 * haeffb is lightin' up the dev forums tonight. Hope I get some of them right. Feb 03 04:00:16 tyrock yes Feb 03 04:01:53 rick-home: Very cool. Looked for quite a while for something like that. Where in the documentation might I find such a thing? Feb 03 04:10:31 my second app just hit the app store! Feb 03 04:10:46 way to go meppum! Feb 03 04:11:43 thanks Feb 03 04:12:26 tyrok looks like I mis-remembered. I was certain that was in connection manager, but it isn't Feb 03 04:12:32 it's a non-open api Feb 03 04:12:47 rick-home: K. Thanks for checking, at any rate! Feb 03 04:12:55 tyrok the code to do that is in the framework with the code for the top bar. Feb 03 04:14:24 tyrok: Cool. May have to check and see if I can take a look at that. Feb 03 04:14:47 if you have the sdk, it's in the framework folder in the sample section Feb 03 04:15:08 rick-home: Really...wow, much easier than expected. Thanks! Feb 03 04:15:19 search for topbar Feb 03 04:17:30 * tyrok is downloading the new version of the SDK, as the one I have does not seem to have it... Feb 03 04:23:52 tyrok -- my bad again. Feb 03 04:23:56 it's not in the refcode. Feb 03 04:24:07 you're going to have to unpack a doctor or get the framework off the phone. Feb 03 04:24:25 rick-home: Ah. Yes, that would explain why I don't have it. :) Feb 03 04:25:19 use/lib/system/luna-system/app/controllers/bar-assistant.js Feb 03 04:25:28 s/use/usr Feb 03 04:26:10 rick-home: Cool. I very much appreciate the help. I'd spent quite a bit of time hunting for info, but unfortunately to no avail. Feb 03 04:27:38 Well, I think I'd better head out for the night. Once again, thank you for your help. I'm sure I'll be back again. :) Feb 03 04:27:58 pay it forward sometime tyrok Feb 03 04:28:21 rick-home: Which apps do you make? Feb 03 04:29:02 othello, snowglobe, mytimeismoney, pegged, xmas-pegged, and I did the UI design for preware. Feb 03 04:29:09 oh and a chess Feb 03 04:29:43 Will have to check those out. Thanks! Feb 03 04:38:06 Anyone here have any issues with toggle buttons? Feb 03 04:39:05 It doesnt want to take my value, stays with the default Feb 03 04:39:35 in a command or view menu? Feb 03 04:40:10 toggle button in a scene Feb 03 04:40:15 so view menu Feb 03 04:42:45 using toggleCmd? Feb 03 04:44:02 I have used toggleCmd in a command menu without issue... Feb 03 04:44:13 no Feb 03 04:44:39 I am using a togglebutton widget in my scene but Feb 03 04:44:51 I cant get it to take a value of ON by default Feb 03 04:44:54 stays with OFF Feb 03 04:46:05 oh. toggle widget... Feb 03 04:46:32 used them a bunch Feb 03 04:47:04 pastie your setupWidget code? Feb 03 04:50:10 http://webos.pastebin.com/d5a8814aa Feb 03 04:50:27 basically copied right from stylematters Feb 03 04:50:37 seems to not be taking my attributes for some reason Feb 03 04:50:43 and I am not sure why Feb 03 04:50:49 bah Feb 03 04:50:55 maybe because I am missing this Feb 03 04:51:24 ok I got it working Feb 03 04:51:37 I didnt use this when declaring my model and attributes Feb 03 04:51:42 Thanks for the help though Feb 03 04:52:23 anytime Feb 03 04:53:20 is there a particular reason you wanted values 'on' & 'off' instead of true/false? Feb 03 04:55:25 because true/false is slightly easier to use in if statements... Feb 03 05:05:46 Well its actually was just to get it working Feb 03 05:05:58 we actually have application specific values that we are using Feb 03 05:06:56 here is a question Feb 03 05:07:06 how do we stop an app from scrolling? Feb 03 05:15:16 you disable the scene scroller when you push the scene Feb 03 05:15:51 CTLAdvance Feb 03 05:16:49 any example of that rick? Feb 03 05:19:46 this.controller.pushScene({name: "main", disableSceneScroller: false}); Feb 03 05:20:06 or true as the case may be Feb 03 05:20:29 bah thats it thanks Feb 03 05:20:53 documentation here: http://webos101.com/Mojo.Controller.StageController Feb 03 05:21:12 it continues to bother me that I can answer these questions. Feb 03 05:21:46 there ought to be a way to get paid for this. Feb 03 05:23:13 hmm... Feb 03 05:23:24 you need ads on the site ;) I could have clicked one for you Feb 03 05:23:42 thanks for that Feb 03 05:24:01 I see you have a list of the JSON elements you are passing to pushscene Feb 03 05:24:10 Did you pull that from the framework? Feb 03 05:40:40 1,409 apps in the official app catalog Feb 03 09:05:15 evening all Feb 03 09:05:38 can anyone tell me if networking type stuff via wifi etc has to be done via pdk and exposed at the sdk level or is there currently something in the sdk that allows such? I have been trawling the docs and net and havent found any reference of anyone doing anything similar as yet? Feb 03 09:10:43 obviously connection manager can be used to determin network status etc but I dont see anyting to actually create a service or connect to such from another device. Feb 03 12:45:58 hi Feb 03 12:46:03 anyone there? Feb 03 12:48:07 hello? i need some support Feb 03 12:51:19 please guys Feb 03 12:51:27 im in trouble Feb 03 12:51:47 problems parsing xml Feb 03 12:52:06 i get ^M and ^I characters Feb 03 12:52:09 :S Feb 03 12:53:05 Oscar1: just ask your question instead of asking to ask :) Feb 03 12:53:57 ok sorry Feb 03 12:54:02 my first time Feb 03 12:54:24 that's what she said :D Feb 03 12:56:21 after i get a XML with Ajax.Request, and get the string with transport.responseText, the string has chars like ^M for end lines and ^I for a tabulation, these chars make the Parsing get wrong Feb 03 12:56:36 any ideas? Feb 03 12:58:42 you could output the xml without newlines Feb 03 12:58:52 just as a simple string Feb 03 12:59:19 replace those chars before parsing Feb 03 13:00:05 the xml is being used by other applications, and shouldnt be edited Feb 03 13:00:30 ive tried to use String.replace for remove the chars but i dont get any result Feb 03 13:01:42 can u write me the line for replace the chars? Feb 03 13:02:13 you have to use double quotes for replacing these chars i think Feb 03 13:02:18 then again, i may be wrong Feb 03 13:05:08 Oscar1: I don't see why the xml parser should coke on that. Or do you mean that in the strings you extract from the xml, you get ^M ^I? Feb 03 13:05:39 s/coke/choke/ Feb 03 13:06:26 sorry Feb 03 13:06:34 ive tried the double quotes Feb 03 13:06:37 with no result Feb 03 13:06:52 maybe the char ^ get some problems Feb 03 13:07:01 jbjoerk Feb 03 13:07:21 i get childnodes with ^I values and thinks like that Feb 03 13:07:27 undefined values Feb 03 13:07:30 etc ... Feb 03 13:07:41 also tried escaping the ^ character? Feb 03 13:07:52 yes with the \ Feb 03 13:07:55 like "\^I" Feb 03 13:07:56 joetweeply: no, ^M is ONE character Feb 03 13:08:04 maybe i use wrong the replace method Feb 03 13:08:06 joetweeply: it is CR, Feb 03 13:09:06 is it possible then to give the replace function the char differently? like in php char(13)? Feb 03 13:09:47 i dont know Feb 03 13:09:49 xmlstring.replace('^M',''); Feb 03 13:09:52 this is the sintax Feb 03 13:10:03 xmlstring.replace("\r",'') Feb 03 13:10:04 u can use regular expressions Feb 03 13:10:08 would get rid of the CR Feb 03 13:10:24 this way? --> xmlstring.replace('\^M',''); Feb 03 13:10:28 Oscar1: xmlstring.replace("\t",''); would get rid of the tabs Feb 03 13:10:51 i ckeck it, 1 sec Feb 03 13:11:52 doesnt work Feb 03 13:12:01 it ignores it Feb 03 13:12:26 is like it doesnt find the char Feb 03 13:14:04 Oscar1: how did you get the ^M char in the first place? how do you print it? Feb 03 13:14:27 ie, what did you print to see the ^M ? Feb 03 13:16:52 y Feb 03 13:17:06 console.log(xmlstringBak); Feb 03 13:17:28 but when i parse, and i get values i get ^I too Feb 03 13:18:54 how about using ((char)(13)).toString() for replacement? Feb 03 13:19:26 and 10 for the newline Feb 03 13:19:50 i check it 1 sec Feb 03 13:20:47 im using javascript Feb 03 13:22:56 is like this in javascript String.fromCharCode(13) Feb 03 13:23:16 no result Feb 03 13:23:17 :S Feb 03 13:31:15 i have to go joetweeply, tx for ur time Feb 03 13:31:17 bb Feb 03 13:31:31 jjbjoerk u too bb Feb 03 14:40:17 anybody tried this foursquare app? I can't login... Feb 03 14:48:10 haeffb-wirc: I have foursquare...it was a little sketchy at first Feb 03 14:52:01 morn'n folks Feb 03 14:53:22 hello Bmyers Feb 03 15:05:22 hows it going haeffb-wirc ? I've been stupid stupid stupid busy with work. did i miss anything? Feb 03 15:05:39 morning folks Feb 03 15:05:46 yes it is Feb 03 15:06:31 good to see verizon & pre+ huh? Feb 03 15:11:42 not much impact to us yet. Feb 03 15:12:05 well its only been a few days right? Feb 03 15:12:42 another venue for devices and apps is a good thing. Feb 03 15:38:38 anyone know of a list of all the available language 'keys'... en_us, en_ca, etc ? Feb 03 15:47:06 anyone know of a list of all the available language 'keys'... en_us, en_ca, etc ? Feb 03 15:48:17 hey all Feb 03 15:49:48 dylanmei: looks like de_de en_ca en_gb en_ie en_mx en_us es_es es_mx es_us fr_ca fr_fr it_it Feb 03 15:50:08 just getting that from /etc/palm/autoreplace Feb 03 15:50:37 cool .. 68 reviews and already over 6600 downloads of moo from the app catalog :) Feb 03 15:50:45 do you know if i have to create a strings.json for each of the en_ or can i do something to set a default? Feb 03 15:50:53 too bad i get 0 star reviews if people can't install the app Feb 03 15:51:17 6600! very nice. mine just went up yesterday and has 1k downloads. very stoked. Feb 03 15:52:39 dylanmei: I don't know Feb 03 15:53:00 hi swisstomcat Feb 03 15:53:02 you guys make me jealous...i can do all kinds of nifty logic things, but good apps are escaping me Feb 03 15:53:03 hey lonestar Feb 03 15:53:12 okay i am on a mission to find out. was thinking if the strings.json was in a higher directory it might use that as a default... Feb 03 15:53:28 sugardave: my app just displays pics and plays sounds :) Feb 03 15:53:39 mine just tells the time Feb 03 15:53:41 only 12 pics and sounds :) Feb 03 15:53:43 swisstomcat: yeah, but 6600 downloads :D Feb 03 15:53:51 amazing Feb 03 15:53:59 sugardave: for the life of me i can't get it right either my app has 95 downloads.... Feb 03 15:54:07 well, and it has googley eyes Feb 03 15:54:21 free apps or paid? Feb 03 15:54:32 BOFH Excuse Generator only has 47 or so...but I put a BIG disclaimer in it to keep away the non-technical people Feb 03 15:54:35 mine ar epaid Feb 03 15:54:50 same paid Feb 03 15:55:15 my other app has 30 or so downloads at the most Feb 03 15:55:29 can't work for free anymore Feb 03 15:55:45 price? Feb 03 15:55:58 .99 and 2.49 Feb 03 15:56:45 do you have a free lite version to compare? Feb 03 15:57:19 one app has reached it's potential, the .99 cent app the other i can't complain still has 100+ updates Feb 03 15:57:37 but thought sales would be just a bit higher Feb 03 15:57:56 mine are $1.43, $1.43, $1.99 Feb 03 15:58:10 but atleast I am getting paid something Feb 03 15:58:14 swisstomcat: I have ad-supported free versions on precentral Feb 03 15:58:36 how do the two versions compare in terms of downloads, sugardave? Feb 03 15:58:48 WAY more for the free ones Feb 03 15:58:54 like 100s of times Feb 03 15:59:11 anyone one know what UDID is for itunes? Feb 03 15:59:21 or apple? Feb 03 15:59:23 guess 99 cents is too much for most people Feb 03 15:59:30 UDID? Feb 03 15:59:33 yeah Feb 03 15:59:44 that's going to be unique per device, isn't it? Feb 03 16:00:14 what if I do not have a udid, gave my ipod touch away... Feb 03 16:00:26 then you can't use itunes... Feb 03 16:00:32 I guess Feb 03 16:00:37 I don't really know anything about itunes Feb 03 16:01:03 i wonder how much sales my first paid app will get Feb 03 16:01:35 developing an app for a search company, but need to send the UDID so they can grant me access to the newest builds of the iphone apps, so i can mimic it in webos Feb 03 16:02:24 question: can you check the app reviews on the web? Feb 03 16:02:27 swisstomcat: one thing i realized, you can not go wrong with games, other than that it is a big gamble Feb 03 16:02:42 games meaning paid Feb 03 16:02:55 lonestar99: it's not even a game really Feb 03 16:02:58 more a kids app Feb 03 16:03:24 to me that is a game.... Feb 03 16:03:49 kinda Feb 03 16:03:54 unless it is like "learn your abc" sing along with "elmo" etc... Feb 03 16:03:55 it doesn't do much Feb 03 16:04:04 true Feb 03 16:04:13 do an app like that Feb 03 16:04:21 for all the parents with pres Feb 03 16:04:35 i second the disapointment in my download rates Feb 03 16:05:05 i've got 83 for my first app and the one that launched last night only has 4 so far Feb 03 16:05:10 need to continue making my main app better. sales will get better at one point... Feb 03 16:05:29 strange .. if i go to "my apps" i see 6600 downloads, but under "reports" i get "there were no downloads for your app in january 2010" Feb 03 16:05:37 i'm starting to wonder if developing is worth it. i'm not trying to get rich, but right now i'm making 1 dollar an hour for my time Feb 03 16:05:39 which app, meppum? Feb 03 16:05:50 surprisingly, though, I still am averaging about 5 new downloads per week of the Yule Log....I mean, really? The Yule Log? Feb 03 16:05:53 "debt collector" and "true cost" Feb 03 16:06:01 they are both 1.99 Feb 03 16:06:03 ah, i saw those Feb 03 16:06:05 meppum: i am in the red by thousands, but oh well Feb 03 16:06:26 yeah to break even on my time i'd have to sell like 1800 of debt collector and 800 of true cost Feb 03 16:06:36 sugardave: yule log is probably the same entertainment category as moo Feb 03 16:06:41 debt collector took 70 hours cuz it was my first app, but true cost still took 30 to make Feb 03 16:06:43 hey chuq Feb 03 16:06:54 i would need to sell thousands Feb 03 16:07:01 to break even Feb 03 16:07:02 swisstomcat: yeah, though I should get off my ass and rent an HD camera and re-shoot the fire Feb 03 16:07:05 swisstomcat: what your opinion of my apps? i'm not emotional about them to shoot me straight Feb 03 16:07:27 meppum: i'd have to install them first ... only saw them in preware Feb 03 16:07:36 could it be the price? Feb 03 16:07:49 what sucks is i'd have to sell twice as much of them if i lower it to .99 Feb 03 16:07:59 so unless it's going to more than double my sale rate it's not worth it Feb 03 16:08:16 it would be interesting to go back and see what iphone developers sales and experiences were in the beginning Feb 03 16:08:33 i read the average iphone app makes like 900 bucks Feb 03 16:08:44 but i've made like 80 in the last month of sales Feb 03 16:08:45 meppum: are those apps available in europe? Feb 03 16:09:01 good morning! Feb 03 16:09:09 not yet because paid apps in europe hasn't launched. i requested that they be in the beta launch though Feb 03 16:09:38 * swisstomcat is in europe Feb 03 16:10:16 morning chuqui Feb 03 16:10:28 any idea about the "there were no downloads or sales of your applications in january 2010"? Feb 03 16:10:52 i was browsing the webosschool catalog and it looks like most apps have made less than $400 Feb 03 16:10:52 swisstomcat: when did your app hit the catalog? Feb 03 16:11:00 january 28th Feb 03 16:11:04 though a few are around $10k Feb 03 16:11:07 w00t, I'm above that mark with Mind Master :D Feb 03 16:11:13 not 10K Feb 03 16:11:14 hehe Feb 03 16:11:17 i wonder what they are doing as their apps don't seem to have any more street appeal Feb 03 16:11:24 swisstomcat: there's speculation that the month rolls on the 20th Feb 03 16:11:40 meppum: are they apps that have been there for a long time? Feb 03 16:11:49 surgardave: you might be right about the 20th Feb 03 16:12:04 and my first app debt collector has been there for almost 3 weeks Feb 03 16:12:26 that's an average of 4 sales a day Feb 03 16:12:27 sugardave: means that i have to wait until feb. 20th? Feb 03 16:12:32 but honestly, lately it's been one a day Feb 03 16:12:38 ah...Mind Master has been in since the end of October, and it was app #300-something Feb 03 16:12:44 thinking of releasing an open source app, does the app have to be 100% open source? Feb 03 16:12:49 swisstomcat: I think so Feb 03 16:12:51 any way to view the app reviews on the web? Feb 03 16:13:03 swisstomcat: I don't think so Feb 03 16:13:05 instead of on the device? Feb 03 16:13:06 lol Feb 03 16:13:18 lonestar99: probably Feb 03 16:13:24 but if you find one, let me know because there is a forum question about it, too Feb 03 16:13:29 what concerns me most is that if there are only 1400 apps in the store and hundreds of thousands of pre and pixi users, i feel like sales are as good as they could get Feb 03 16:13:45 meppum: until Europe Feb 03 16:13:49 true Feb 03 16:14:01 has anyone been accepted into the europe catalog? Feb 03 16:14:10 how many devices were sold so far? Feb 03 16:14:18 unknown...I haven't really contemplated it for myself, yet Feb 03 16:14:53 the best is probably to make apps that people request in the forums Feb 03 16:15:31 as of january sales were around 500k for both pixi and pre Feb 03 16:15:32 http://www.crn.com/mobile/222300130;jsessionid=OR4PRQW5CTO5RQE1GHPSKHWATMY32JVN Feb 03 16:15:40 LoneStar99: yes, your open source app will have to be completely open source Feb 03 16:15:50 crap, meeting time Feb 03 16:16:48 i wonder if chuq is reading any of this and has an opinion Feb 03 16:16:48 cu Feb 03 16:16:57 Feb 03 16:17:28 hehe Feb 03 16:17:54 chuq probably has his "we're-rolling-out-1.4-any-minute-now-and-holy-crap-i-hope-it-goes-well" face on Feb 03 16:17:56 yawn.. stretch. Someone call? Feb 03 16:17:57 an improved calendar would get a lot of downloads ... hard to develop tho Feb 03 16:18:48 or not... Feb 03 16:18:58 i don't use the calendar much, what is it lacking? Feb 03 16:19:04 not accepting people in the european catalog yet. stay tuned. I don't discuss sales numbers of the phones, because I don't know (and couldn't tell if I did) Feb 03 16:19:09 1.4: not yet. Feb 03 16:19:09 funny that vzw presents it as one of the main features Feb 03 16:19:11 question for you chuq: any way to view app reviews on the web? Feb 03 16:19:23 app reviews on the web. (sigh. throws self off bridge). Feb 03 16:19:28 um.. no. unfortunately. Feb 03 16:19:33 maik: for me .. floating events Feb 03 16:19:43 floating... Feb 03 16:19:53 like style="float: ...; " ? Feb 03 16:19:53 chuq: flog those engineers harder :) Feb 03 16:20:00 boat rides, helicopters, etc Feb 03 16:20:04 flog 'em good Feb 03 16:20:09 man, they already cross thes treet to avoid me when they see me near starbucks... Feb 03 16:20:20 haha Feb 03 16:20:32 maik: no ... events that go to the next day if they are not cleared Feb 03 16:20:36 1.4 on feb 29, right? Feb 03 16:20:52 ambackstrom: exactly Feb 03 16:21:08 swisstomcat: oh gotcha, shouldn't that be more of a tasks thing? Feb 03 16:21:22 chuq: need more engineers? Feb 03 16:21:31 we're always hiring if we find the right folks. Feb 03 16:21:42 maik: some people have their tasks in the calendar Feb 03 16:21:52 chuq: but not in europe :( Feb 03 16:21:53 ah Feb 03 16:22:01 i guess i've just managed to strike a balance between the two Feb 03 16:22:04 chuq how bout remote? Feb 03 16:22:13 maik: datebk did floating stuff Feb 03 16:22:14 i still wanna work remote for you all Feb 03 16:22:26 sometimes. I know we wanted to hire a support engineer in europe, for instance. Feb 03 16:22:53 oh, cool Feb 03 16:23:06 guess i have to watch the jobs page Feb 03 16:23:50 would be good to have multi-lingual support engineers in europe (time-zone etc.) Feb 03 16:24:03 or drop me an email and ping me about it. Feb 03 16:24:28 I dunno if there's someone lined up there or not. I need to check Feb 03 16:24:33 thanks chuq Feb 03 16:25:03 about to disappear into a 3+ hour meeting on -- improving the online documentation. wish me luck.... Feb 03 16:25:17 will do chuq .. thanks Feb 03 16:25:28 Palm needs a curriculum manager Feb 03 16:25:33 * sugardave whistles innocently. Feb 03 16:26:28 just hired a new editor in chief, and just added a project/product manager to the portal this week. stuff happening. Feb 03 16:27:01 progress needs time Feb 03 16:27:09 step by step Feb 03 16:27:13 woot for doc improvements Feb 03 16:28:12 Anyone know if I manually have to set the position of a FilterList when I filter it? If I scroll to the middle of my list, then start filtering, It shows up all white until the items render Feb 03 16:29:35 jbjoerk: i get a flash of gray when i start typing my filter, but it scrolls to the top of the list very quickly in my experience Feb 03 16:30:18 wow, 80000 downloads of "seismograph" Feb 03 16:31:08 what is seismograph Feb 03 16:31:21 app that plots the data of the accelerometer Feb 03 16:31:25 any gotchyas i should be aware of when posting the first update of my app? Feb 03 16:31:43 dylanmei, are you doing any database upgrades? Feb 03 16:31:55 dylanmei: do not use dirty words... Feb 03 16:32:04 nope. i just moved my strings.json out of en_us so that brits and canadians could see text :) Feb 03 16:32:31 how does flickit get over 3000 paid downloads? Feb 03 16:32:42 i'll use dirty words but i won't put them into the app :) Feb 03 16:33:05 the picture of siesmograph looks killer, i want to download it myself to see how it works Feb 03 16:33:26 dunno swisstomcat. makes me want to charge 99 cents for my app, though Feb 03 16:33:53 ambackstrom: in what order do you do things? Ie, I do setLength, setCount, invalidateItems, then noticeUpdated Feb 03 16:33:57 it's pretty cool, dylanmei Feb 03 16:34:26 nice! i haven't looked at it yet but just seing the picture made me think a spirograph app would be fun to do Feb 03 16:34:50 dylanmei, that's not a bad idea Feb 03 16:34:55 i'm going to make a pet rock app Feb 03 16:35:13 with the little plastic disks... , choose different ones. i'm too busy to do it though :( Feb 03 16:35:14 jbjoerk: I noticeUpdatedItems, setLength, setCount Feb 03 16:35:26 and mathematically challenged Feb 03 16:35:37 ambackstrom: trying that Feb 03 16:35:39 yeah, spirograph would be pretty cool Feb 03 16:35:53 invalidateItems looks handy though, I need that in other parts of my pap Feb 03 16:35:55 *app Feb 03 16:36:03 there's a simple spriograph example in the mozilla canvas tutorial Feb 03 16:36:14 that's right! Feb 03 16:36:52 do it up with slick graphics, a selection of little plastic discs, send to your mom via email, etc. could be cool. Feb 03 16:37:29 flightview has over 143000 downloads at 4.99 Feb 03 16:37:53 wtf? Feb 03 16:37:56 DAMN Feb 03 16:38:02 what are we doing wrong? Feb 03 16:39:07 sweet i just hit 1k in less than a day. too bad i have to fix it for non-us peeps, i'll be gettin some angry reviews. Feb 03 16:40:08 dylanmei: is your app free? Feb 03 16:40:46 ya it is. has an attractive thumbnail too which seriosly helps Feb 03 16:41:01 hmm Feb 03 16:41:09 ambackstrom: when you say gray, is that your background color? Feb 03 16:41:12 so from now on all my app icons will be boobs Feb 03 16:41:26 that would work if you could slip it in. Feb 03 16:41:31 ambackstrom: I'm using palm-dark with a backdrop image, so I'm thinking maybe it flashes the background color (but why in the !@#$!@#! would it do that?) Feb 03 16:41:51 you could just SUGGEST boobs. like if you are making a music app, two cds side by side... Feb 03 16:42:34 anybody doing in-app purchases? I know Word Ace and Card Ace do it...wondering what people feel about putting in their cc/paypal details in a phone app Feb 03 16:42:54 surgardave, i'd do paypal, maybe not cc though Feb 03 16:43:16 would you do it in the app, or bounce them to a browser page and do some kind of strange key/download system? Feb 03 16:44:48 maybe that is an idea, have a free app, with a paypal system embedded if they want to add functionality to app... Feb 03 16:45:03 jbjoerk: i'm not using palm-dark, but i can try it out Feb 03 16:45:04 more functionality Feb 03 16:45:11 like charge them a penny everytime they want to use it? Feb 03 16:45:11 lol Feb 03 16:45:19 oh damn to update the app i have to walk through this huge wizard again Feb 03 16:45:28 yeah, too bad micro-payments have never emerged Feb 03 16:45:43 dylanmei, for the most part you can leave all the values the same Feb 03 16:45:50 dylanmei: it should have all your old details, then you should just be able to change the stuff that is different Feb 03 16:45:51 i see that now. RELIEVED Feb 03 16:46:08 ambackstrom: no need, can you just verify that it flashes the background color? Feb 03 16:46:20 ambackstrom: ie, is it the same color as the standard palm-light background, or is it a different gray? Feb 03 16:46:45 ambackstrom: I got it to be alot faster by removing the invalidate, so now I just need to make it not flash pure white :) Feb 03 16:50:47 jbjoerk: same color as the background. near as i can tell, it truncates the list before it repopulates Feb 03 16:50:50 meppum: not sure, lol Feb 03 16:51:06 so i briefly see a list with no contents Feb 03 16:51:34 dang it Feb 03 16:51:37