**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Feb 07 02:59:58 2010 Feb 07 02:59:58 me too Feb 07 03:00:01 oh ok, cool Feb 07 03:00:12 maybe it's easier to pay the $50. Feb 07 03:00:24 GNU free is generally the free as in speech and beer variety Feb 07 03:00:31 not free in the commercial sense Feb 07 03:00:54 i paid $50 buck yesterday, and the first review was a 1 Feb 07 03:01:06 LoneStar: what app? Feb 07 03:01:46 http://urloid.com/app2 Feb 07 03:01:49 next question: how do I get setup with an online version control system? Feb 07 03:02:22 you could use github, I think Feb 07 03:02:28 that seems to be the new hotness Feb 07 03:02:36 haeffb: if you get sued...Richard Stallman will personally represent you :) Feb 07 03:02:45 haha Feb 07 03:03:06 yeah github seems to be what the cool kids are using now Feb 07 03:03:09 jfelectron: If I get sued, too bad. I got nothing to begin with. Feb 07 03:03:11 there are zillions of repos those Feb 07 03:03:19 * haeffb so wants to be a cool kid... Feb 07 03:03:27 google code for instance Feb 07 03:03:40 github interface is nicer though IMO Feb 07 03:03:52 Tibfib: it is not true, wanted to pay for app catalog, but default was web distro, so the app was web distro. first feedback was from web distro not good, but gonna cancel, paid $50 for app catalog inclusion Feb 07 03:03:55 and how to integrate to eclipse/komodo? Feb 07 03:04:37 unknown Feb 07 03:04:44 haeffb: you are releasing an OSS app? Feb 07 03:05:05 going to be. trying to get all the pieces in place. Feb 07 03:05:34 what if you just paste the source on your site as a zip... Feb 07 03:06:05 paste on your site, and have a zip file with source Feb 07 03:07:08 well having a repo encourages open development of it Feb 07 03:07:16 I don't think you have to do that LoneStar99 Feb 07 03:07:57 just putting it in the app catalog with an OSS license should be sufficient to make it OSS. Feb 07 03:08:16 (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) Feb 07 03:08:17 oh ok, i really do not know, just throwing out nonsense Feb 07 03:08:43 haeffb agreed Feb 07 03:09:13 but just remember if you go oss it opens the gates for anyone to come up with something similar Feb 07 03:09:17 to me open source means if the source is somewhere, and an able person can get it, then it is truely open source Feb 07 03:09:17 I'm just looking for an online versioning solution. Someplace to keep my code other than on my HDD. Feb 07 03:09:30 and then release it as their own Feb 07 03:09:32 CTLAdvance: what I do isn't magic. Feb 07 03:09:52 ah then no problem Feb 07 03:10:14 does all software have an implied warranty unless stated otherise? Feb 07 03:10:37 jfelectron: I would seriously doubt it Feb 07 03:10:37 No warranty that I am aware of, its basically as is Feb 07 03:10:39 i don't think so Feb 07 03:10:40 god I hope not Feb 07 03:10:49 yeah, didn't think so Feb 07 03:11:01 sugardave: YuleLog made me unhappy. I will sue. Feb 07 03:11:01 When you sign in to the catalog I think you agree that it is as is Feb 07 03:11:09 but you can voice concern in the reviews Feb 07 03:11:29 CTLAdvance: ahhh....interesting, that's good :) Feb 07 03:11:34 sugardave: same here Feb 07 03:11:43 I have to confirm it, but I think that language is there Feb 07 03:11:59 mental angish using your app Feb 07 03:12:04 you guys lie...there is no way the Yule Log could bring unhapiness Feb 07 03:12:15 if its an app that has 1 star, and you buy it, your an idiot, it would be the developers discression to launch further updates Feb 07 03:12:29 I had a puppy die in a christmas fire. PTSD. Feb 07 03:12:37 heh Feb 07 03:12:41 I mean Feb 07 03:12:42 :( Feb 07 03:13:02 lol Feb 07 03:13:04 yeah, that's me after looking at YuleLog. :( Feb 07 03:13:07 yeah, my finger got burnt by a stray firecracker Feb 07 03:13:08 LoneStar, unless their was racist or demeaning comments, it would never hold up. And if you agreed to the catalog to purchase items, then you have no case. Feb 07 03:13:15 Otherwise you would have no access Feb 07 03:13:18 your app is responsible for making me love fire Feb 07 03:13:48 so. Myles. Free or paid app? Feb 07 03:13:54 paid Feb 07 03:13:55 I wish I could see the looks on all y'all's faces when Yule Log gets my dream update Feb 07 03:14:01 you'll see Feb 07 03:14:05 you'll ALL see Feb 07 03:14:09 dream update? Feb 07 03:14:11 sugardave: JK Feb 07 03:14:16 * CTLAdvance muwahahahahahaha Feb 07 03:14:21 hehe Feb 07 03:14:24 giggles... Feb 07 03:14:27 Myles free & Myles-GPS paid... ? Feb 07 03:14:49 hmmm yeah that works too Feb 07 03:14:50 haeffb: I like that last model Feb 07 03:14:53 sugardavea: will buy your app forsure Feb 07 03:14:54 hi Adora Feb 07 03:15:16 sugar, when you give me some dream update sugar, ill buy it Feb 07 03:15:20 Adora: will Palm's lawyers defend sugardave for his Yule-log generated trauma? or is he on his own? Feb 07 03:15:37 lol Feb 07 03:15:38 typed in a prepaid visa the other day, and it called it a "fraudulent" card Feb 07 03:15:47 haeffb: huh? Feb 07 03:15:54 sorry. you had to be there. Feb 07 03:15:57 Sugardaves Austrian made 50 cal should protect him from lawsuits... er Feb 07 03:16:29 they can try to take me, hm, resources I guess Feb 07 03:16:34 my Feb 07 03:16:40 but they will be saf Feb 07 03:16:41 sad Feb 07 03:16:46 jesus can't type at all today Feb 07 03:17:11 Adora: http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos/ Feb 07 03:17:18 hi Adora Feb 07 03:17:37 Adora, if someones app causestouch finger-itis, is their a clause that is agreed when you log into a webos profile Feb 07 03:17:51 causes touch finger-its Feb 07 03:17:55 o_0 Feb 07 03:18:14 I think we broke her... Feb 07 03:18:25 Quick someone unroll a roll of foil Feb 07 03:18:29 CTLAdvance: I've wondered that, actually Feb 07 03:18:29 cygwin ? Feb 07 03:18:41 considering how much time I use these damn things Feb 07 03:18:43 * CTLAdvance unrolls renolds rap 150 sqft roll Feb 07 03:18:50 !!!!!!!!!!!! SHINY Feb 07 03:18:55 * Adora pounces Feb 07 03:19:01 * Adora crinkles!! Feb 07 03:19:02 * CTLAdvance jumps out of the way Feb 07 03:19:04 literally lol Feb 07 03:19:05 * Adora pounces some more Feb 07 03:19:21 * CTLAdvance has seizure do to adora chewing on the foil Feb 07 03:19:44 * haeffb asks again: Cygwin? Feb 07 03:20:01 what about it? Feb 07 03:20:06 cygwin for what Feb 07 03:20:23 git Feb 07 03:20:24 I missed the context somewhere... Feb 07 03:20:25 oh Feb 07 03:20:50 you can, but I'm using one I got off their google code (hahah) project Feb 07 03:20:52 it's mingw Feb 07 03:21:10 http://code.google.com/p/msysgit/ Feb 07 03:21:16 yes Feb 07 03:21:41 haeffb: you can sell both MIT and GPL stuff. Feb 07 03:22:01 it's just the GPL means the buyer gets everything they need to resell at a lower price, so the price tends towards zero Feb 07 03:22:02 oh damn, it was rwhitby not rick-home I meant Feb 07 03:22:04 sorry :D Feb 07 03:22:45 rwhitby: you come out of nowhere all the time... Feb 07 03:22:47 not if it's $0.99 Feb 07 03:23:00 there is no lower price. Feb 07 03:23:08 doh. except free. dammit. Feb 07 03:23:08 haeffb: that msysgit also has a gui client, but I haven't looked at it so it could suck Feb 07 03:24:00 http://www.gitcasts.com/posts/git-on-windows Feb 07 03:24:04 I recommend watching that. Feb 07 03:24:20 haeffb: lol...turns out there wasn't a problem.......for some reason after running for long time the emulator internet connection gets really slow Feb 07 03:24:27 I'm trying to find a way to stop networking and then restart networking Feb 07 03:24:38 As in, stop the ppp0 connection and then restart it Feb 07 03:24:38 reality9110: on the emu? Feb 07 03:24:43 No, the phone Feb 07 03:25:00 Command line Feb 07 03:25:17 find the network interface Feb 07 03:25:24 ifconfig eth0 down Feb 07 03:25:27 novaterm /etc/init.d/networking restart or ifconfig pp0 down Feb 07 03:25:30 ifconfing eth0 up Feb 07 03:25:33 or that Feb 07 03:25:37 ifconfig ppp0 down then up does, but it doesn't seems to cause DNS problems Feb 07 03:25:37 yup Feb 07 03:25:44 jfelectron: you need a windows box. gotta reboot every couple of days due to all the freakin' updates. Feb 07 03:26:15 I can ping google.com before doing it, after doing it, I can't ping google.com anymore after bringing the connection back up Feb 07 03:26:34 reality9110: you might have to flush the DNS service Feb 07 03:27:41 Let's see here... Feb 07 03:27:57 hmmm.....there is also a ppp service Feb 07 03:28:09 I presume that's running the ppp stack Feb 07 03:29:13 reality9110: why do you need to do that? Are you testing the connection service? Feb 07 03:29:22 Mind taking a PM? Feb 07 03:29:30 reality9110: sure Feb 07 03:40:29 Has any one worked with Mojo.Drag? Feb 07 03:41:09 I have drag working fine now but I cant seem to get the drop containers working Feb 07 03:41:18 problem with free Myles and paid Myles-GPS is that I still have to write Myles-GPS. Feb 07 03:41:27 that's a bummer Feb 07 03:41:54 how long would it take you to write paid Myles? Feb 07 03:41:55 lol Feb 07 03:41:58 maybe paid-Myles for now, then free when Myles-GPS is done. Feb 07 03:42:34 anyone know how to listen for keyboard events from within a custom dialog assistant? Feb 07 03:43:02 codeslaw: what's the problem? Feb 07 03:43:36 i cant seem to pick up keyboard events while a custom dialog box is being displayed Feb 07 03:43:52 i pass the sceneassistant in through the constructor, so i can reference that Feb 07 03:43:55 haeffb: make it paid, at least .99 Feb 07 03:44:12 hrm. Feb 07 03:44:19 Mojo.Event.listen(this.sceneAssistant.controller.sceneElement, Mojo.Event.keypress, this.handlePress.bind(this)); Feb 07 03:44:22 i agree with LoneStar99 Feb 07 03:44:44 With Mojo.Drag.setupDropContainer the second arg is a json object with those methods right? Feb 07 03:44:56 a good app will always sell, if it is free and turns paid, you may loose alot of customers Feb 07 03:45:42 codeslaw: what is this.sceneAssistant.controller.sceneElement... ? Feb 07 03:45:53 if it is paid from the beginning, people, know if the app is good they need to pay Feb 07 03:45:55 ref to textfield? Feb 07 03:46:27 sceneElement is a reference in a sceneController that refers the root node of scene Feb 07 03:46:47 it's how i listen to keys in the scene itself, just stops listening when a dialog is popped Feb 07 03:47:11 ah. because it's still listening on the scene. and the dialog is capturing all keypress events. Feb 07 03:47:12 ? Feb 07 03:49:55 * haeffb would assume that the dialog, even though it's not another scene, would somehow capture the key events and not let them pass thru to the underlying scene. Feb 07 03:50:14 so, listen on the dialog, not the original scene Feb 07 03:50:53 but how do you do that on a dialog? Feb 07 03:51:24 that's what i dont know Feb 07 03:52:03 so, how does keyboard event propagation work in JS? if an event is caught once, does that prevent it from bubbling to the next phase? Feb 07 03:52:23 or do yuo have to explicit prevent propagation for that to be the case Feb 07 03:53:07 I think it bubbles, unless it's explicitly prevented from doing so. But I'd bet that dialogs explicitly prevent them from doing so. Feb 07 03:53:22 * haeffb just speculating Feb 07 03:53:23 This may seem like a silly question... I'm playing around with Project Ares, to design a ham radio logging program. So there must be some sort of database connection I need? Feb 07 03:53:30 Yea, not really a question I guess. Feb 07 03:53:55 mich st v Illinois is becoming interesting Feb 07 03:56:43 game tied Feb 07 03:57:29 haeffb: gps won't be hard Feb 07 03:58:19 * swishy ponders how many outside of the US are deving for pre atm Feb 07 03:58:25 Go Spartans :) Feb 07 04:00:03 sugardave: yeah, don't think so. Feb 07 04:00:11 swishy: well, some is done in Australia ;-) Feb 07 04:00:20 export to Google will be harder Feb 07 04:00:33 google what? Feb 07 04:00:52 yeah, I've never tried a google api Feb 07 04:00:52 export data to google spreadsheet Feb 07 04:01:00 ah. Feb 07 04:01:02 they seem complex Feb 07 04:01:20 for mylez? Feb 07 04:01:40 rwhitby, good point, hehe Feb 07 04:01:45 yes Feb 07 04:01:48 rwhitby, I was more meaning apps than core Feb 07 04:01:49 :) Feb 07 04:02:00 Australians sleep all day Feb 07 04:02:01 * swishy notes in NZ atm doesnt seem to be much interest Feb 07 04:02:17 but apparently they're up all night Feb 07 04:02:24 haeffb, lol Feb 07 04:02:49 Does this look correct? Feb 07 04:02:50 Mojo.Drag.setupDropContainer(this.slots['slot' + i + 'x' + j], new GameAssistant.DropTarget()); Feb 07 04:03:12 Where DropTarget is a function with the required methods attached Feb 07 04:05:28 scottb: have never used .Drag. no idea Feb 07 04:05:40 Hmm ok =/ Feb 07 04:06:09 Do you know a way of binding a "finger dragged over" event? Feb 07 04:06:42 is that in a list? Feb 07 04:06:59 Table Feb 07 04:07:05 ILL INI Feb 07 04:08:07 I have a grid of drop locations and a set of elements that can be dragged and hopefully dropped into the grid Feb 07 04:09:31 oh ok. never done that. did you see that functionality in a sample app? Feb 07 04:10:07 I haven't Feb 07 04:10:13 I just need it in my game Feb 07 04:10:22 I found Mojo.Drag Feb 07 04:10:36 The dragging part works but I cant for the life of me get the drop container working Feb 07 04:12:03 what happens? Feb 07 04:13:57 Nothing measurable Feb 07 04:14:20 no errors? try/catch? nothing? Feb 07 04:14:22 It should fire off several event handlers when I enter a drop zone hover a drop zone and drop in a drop zone but nothing seems to come of it Feb 07 04:14:38 what does the log say? Feb 07 04:15:17 do you see a drop event? Feb 07 04:15:47 Let me check, working on device, my vm is lucky to boot so I don't use it Feb 07 04:16:04 *lucky if it boots Feb 07 04:16:16 ssh to the device Feb 07 04:16:44 Didn't know that was an option Feb 07 04:16:50 yup Feb 07 04:16:50 Does dev mode open up ssh? Feb 07 04:17:06 novacom drivers Feb 07 04:17:24 what platform u on? Feb 07 04:19:38 Says no drag containers (drop zones) Feb 07 04:19:45 osx Feb 07 04:19:53 there ya go.. Feb 07 04:20:06 logs are useful sometimes. palm-log ? Feb 07 04:20:25 yeah actually. you dont even need to ssh to the device Feb 07 04:20:26 I already figured that part out, the question is why my drop containers aren't building Feb 07 04:20:36 just use palm-log -d usb or -d tcp Feb 07 04:21:03 perhaps another error farther back when you created them? Feb 07 04:21:17 Nothing in debug, no errors Feb 07 04:21:26 Fails silently Feb 07 04:21:40 do you have debugging turned on? Feb 07 04:21:59 I'm using the debugger, is there something that will provide more info? Feb 07 04:24:14 in my case most of the time if error is not syntax, it does not log jack, very frustrating as well... Feb 07 04:24:32 what does your framwork_config look like? Feb 07 04:24:51 loglevel ? logevents? Feb 07 04:25:22 loglevel:99 Feb 07 04:26:40 do you have a try/catch around your setupdropcontainer? Feb 07 04:26:50 I did, no go Feb 07 04:28:41 When they say: Feb 07 04:28:41 An object implementing the interface described below, in order to interact with dragged & dropped elements. dropClient must be an object with the following properties: Feb 07 04:29:12 Do they want an instance of an object? Feb 07 04:41:06 Wow that was actually a really dumb question... What I was getting at, are they after an instance of a function with those methods or json Feb 07 04:42:58 sounds like JSON Feb 07 04:45:10 nytol. Feb 07 04:47:47 sweet, got n-level undo working in the app Feb 07 04:47:58 time to hit the bars Feb 07 04:50:28 codeslaw: cheers Feb 07 04:56:17 yeah i finally got my stupid scene working Feb 07 04:56:42 that mike rowe, he's so dreamy Feb 07 04:56:43 awesome JenP Feb 07 04:57:09 yeah! Feb 07 04:57:21 now gotta run to the store....talk to you guys in a few Feb 07 04:57:43 later Feb 07 04:57:48 crap that reminds me, should have gotten superbowl food Feb 07 04:58:00 maik: mike rowe who is that? Feb 07 04:58:05 guy from dirty jobs Feb 07 04:58:29 oh that dude, right on Feb 07 05:09:28 wow, i just realized the saw that the two switches i have in place at a place i do contract IT work for have been up for over a year Feb 07 05:09:30 almost 13mo Feb 07 05:09:59 Is that unusual? Feb 07 05:15:29 i guess it they are windows based Feb 07 05:18:01 heh, no i guess i'm not sure why i'm surprised, it's cisco equipment Feb 07 05:18:10 just never really paid attention to it Feb 07 05:18:20 and yes, most of what i deal with in IT is windows based Feb 07 05:19:01 Sorry to hear that :) Just kidding, I work in a Open Source shop. Feb 07 05:19:33 Linux, Apache, Postgres for the most part. Feb 07 05:20:30 oh how i long for such an environment Feb 07 05:20:49 alas it's all windows server, IIS, ASP, .NET and windows workstations Feb 07 05:21:25 At my previous jobs, I burn out or get bored after 2-3 yrs and move on... With my current firm, I've been there 2 1/2 yrs and don't see me quitting anytime soon. Feb 07 05:21:43 It seems like there's a new challenge every day. I absolutely love it. Feb 07 05:22:10 this is my first real IT job and i've gotten a lot of good exposure to managing a windows corporate environment Feb 07 05:22:34 We have a couple hundred Panasonic Toughbook (CF-18/19) in the field, all running Ubuntu with our software thick client installed. Feb 07 05:22:53 unfortunately the decision makers are making it really hard for me to want to stay Feb 07 05:23:12 wow, couple hundred people running linux. i couldn't imagine giving that to even one person where i'm at Feb 07 05:23:23 local government sucks :/ Feb 07 05:24:28 Our software is all web based, the tablets are all running apache, so it's not like they know what Linux is :) Feb 07 05:24:51 They're pretty much locked out of actually doing anything outside the browser. Feb 07 05:25:14 ah, that's good then Feb 07 05:25:43 I used to be a college professor, this is much more fun! I hated teaching. Feb 07 05:25:50 heh Feb 07 05:26:17 Ok, I need to find some satellite tracking software (Amateur Radio stuff) for webOS Feb 07 05:26:50 what would such software need to do/consist of? i need a new project :) Feb 07 05:27:12 Well, track satellites using Keppler elements. Feb 07 05:27:30 I think it'd be a good project to learn how to develop for webOS. Feb 07 05:27:52 i do know how Feb 07 05:28:14 at least that's what i like to tell myself Feb 07 05:28:23 I'm just starting out. Been a dev for a few years, I used to write DSL modem firmware for Conexant. Feb 07 05:31:08 oh wow. i've done mostly .net as a hobby and stuff for in-house apps at work Feb 07 05:31:30 got into webos development just a few weeks ago and have written two for in-house use. i absolutely love it Feb 07 05:32:13 These days all I do is Ruby, Java and some PHP. Feb 07 05:32:22 I'm a Network Eng in San Fran. Feb 07 05:33:12 i've got some exposure to PHP and i like it well enough, use it at home a bit. i've seen ruby once or twice just in passing and the syntax didn't seem to make much sense to me Feb 07 05:34:43 You're kidding right? Feb 07 05:34:44 i'm a lowly computer tech here for our county. there are only 3 IT staff (really 2 because the new boss isn't really a tech person at all) so we do a lot of job-sharing and cover pretty much everything Feb 07 05:35:14 i might be, like i said, only seen it a couple of times. i've never actively gone looking or committed any real brainpower to it Feb 07 05:35:24 now you're going to make me go find some examples Feb 07 05:35:31 hey I can attest to that as well Feb 07 05:35:52 I messed with ruby a bit, decided to stick with php Feb 07 05:36:33 My ruby stuff is all admin type stuff. Feb 07 05:37:12 My Java code is for manipulating PDF's (iText) and PHP is of course, web stuff, mostly accessing Postgres. Feb 07 05:37:16 I'm sure it's a wonderful language. Hear lots of good about it. Feb 07 05:38:01 I'm of the belief that if you know how to program (ie, good technical background), you can learn almost any language in a matter of days. Feb 07 05:38:08 ya, i'm using LimeChat which is written in RubyCocoa Feb 07 05:38:18 oh I agree Feb 07 05:38:37 Well, unless you want to learn BF or Haskell :) Feb 07 05:38:40 I'm working on WebOS apps now after many years of PalmOS apps Feb 07 05:39:08 I never did get into PalmOS stuff, even though I had a Clie, and then a Treo, and just got a Pre yesterday. Feb 07 05:39:23 i agree there as well, i've been able to do a lot of things in a few different languages, just need to know the syntax Feb 07 05:39:40 * BoomerET nods Feb 07 05:39:50 you'll love your Pre. I thought wouldn't like mine as much as I do Feb 07 05:39:58 ruby functions return the last thing that was evaluated in it... interesting Feb 07 05:40:03 so no "return foo" Feb 07 05:40:29 My wife had a Blackberry curve, biggest piece of **** on the face of this planet. She now has a Jack, and it's very nice. Feb 07 05:40:45 Ruby has functions :) Feb 07 05:40:51 I've had the problem of going back and forth from HB++ (which ises VB6 syntax) to PHP Feb 07 05:41:15 vb6, that was my first exposure to programming Feb 07 05:41:35 well, i take that back. i we had Logo in elementary and i used BASIC once Feb 07 05:41:50 go from If vVariable1 = vVariable2 Then Feb 07 05:42:30 to if(vVariable1 == vVariable2) { } ; Feb 07 05:43:05 can't count how many times I used 1 equal instead of 2 or forgot to throw a semi colon on the end Feb 07 05:43:11 heh Feb 07 05:43:29 i tried throwing a semicolon into a vb .net app i was working on the other day. it did not like it at all Feb 07 05:43:44 I've done that countless times... Feb 07 05:43:46 phil, same here Feb 07 05:44:14 I'll be getting away from HB++ after I finish this lingering PalmOS project Feb 07 05:44:25 I've addicted to LittleBigPlanet. Feb 07 05:44:26 then I can complain about js for a while Feb 07 05:44:39 ? never heard of ut Feb 07 05:45:00 PS3 game Feb 07 05:45:04 Well, and now PSP Feb 07 05:45:09 ah Feb 07 05:45:16 not much of a gamer these days Feb 07 05:45:30 I spend a lot of time each day on a bus/train. Feb 07 05:45:49 though I do enjoy some Quake1 while bored on the Pre once in a while Feb 07 05:45:59 So, I watch TV episodes on my touch, or read, and now listen to Pandora! Feb 07 05:46:17 Ok, time to dig into webOS coding. Feb 07 05:46:23 Nice chatting with y'all. Feb 07 05:46:28 bye Feb 07 05:46:32 same to you Feb 07 05:47:35 heh, I'm an idiot... forgot which chan I was in, thought "wow, sure a lot of programmers in here" Feb 07 05:47:47 heh Feb 07 05:47:47 must be time for bed Feb 07 05:48:18 so what have you written? Feb 07 05:48:31 who? Feb 07 05:48:54 maik, thought you left boomer Feb 07 05:48:58 all of this webos stuff has made me want to try some actual web development, but then i realize i suck at coming up with designs and thank the gods that webos handles the colors and such for me Feb 07 05:49:12 I'm still around, just reading and playing with the emu and Eclipse Feb 07 05:49:12 haha, yes Feb 07 05:49:32 I'm going the Ares route first myself Feb 07 05:49:42 don't have a whole lot of time these days Feb 07 05:50:12 for webOS? two in-house apps for work, one gets a list of our tickets from our trouble ticket system based on a username so we can see what we're working on while out in teh field. Feb 07 05:50:20 maik: in general web programmers should do design stuff and designers shouldn't do programming stuff Feb 07 05:50:37 ah fun stuff Feb 07 05:51:05 I'm working on a duct-tape and zip-tie google tasks app Feb 07 05:51:24 being there isn't an API Feb 07 05:51:37 the other is webos version of our in/out board program. it gets the list of people in your department and displays their status, it also lets you set a custom status with colors based on what the status is for. as a bonus it ties in with our HID/prox doors and we can trigger any door we have access to from our phone :) Feb 07 05:52:01 duct-tape and zip-tie, eh? Feb 07 05:52:03 i don't get it Feb 07 05:52:03 very nice Feb 07 05:52:07 oh yes Feb 07 05:52:42 it'll basically use the webview widget to display the mobile tasks site then add a number of handy shortcuts Feb 07 05:53:05 I have 3 separate tasks lists that I want to manage in one app... so I'm writing one Feb 07 05:53:14 i see Feb 07 05:53:40 you know, i don't think i'd ever seen google tasks until just now Feb 07 05:53:49 it'll have a degree of clunkiness that can't be avoided Feb 07 05:54:03 I use google tasks a ton Feb 07 05:54:06 just make sure you have the right feedback elements and your users will be happy Feb 07 05:54:35 and what are the right feedback elements? Feb 07 05:55:30 things like the right feeling for pushing buttons (you can adjust if and when a button "presses" after it's touched) and if you're sending a query that will take some time to get back you'll want to set a spinner or some sort of moving item to the let the user know it's still processing Feb 07 05:55:51 ah yes Feb 07 05:55:58 I am a stickler for UI Feb 07 05:56:03 good man Feb 07 05:56:17 I sometimes spend way too much time tweaking it Feb 07 05:56:23 heh, i'm the same way Feb 07 05:56:55 then I think "oh yeah, maybe I should make that button actually do something instead of spending so much time making it pretty" Feb 07 05:57:05 heh Feb 07 05:57:35 you ever do much IRC on PalmOS devices? Feb 07 05:58:40 nope, never had a PalmOS device. i hated PalmOS and didn't much care for Palm in general until they announced webOS Feb 07 05:58:54 ah Feb 07 05:59:01 Tibfib: i'm addicted to Countdown, thanks :) Feb 07 05:59:11 well I wrote one of the major IRC clients for it Feb 07 05:59:12 haha :D Feb 07 05:59:24 spent *years* perfecting the UI Feb 07 05:59:24 phil_bw: nice! Feb 07 05:59:27 heh Feb 07 05:59:30 Have you beaten today's POD? Feb 07 05:59:41 not sure, i beat yesterdays i think Feb 07 05:59:44 oh want to talk about addicting, whos hooked on the helicopter game? Feb 07 05:59:48 testing 123 Feb 07 05:59:58 haven't tried it Feb 07 06:00:05 Yesterdays was easy, today's is HARD. I cant even do it...lol Feb 07 06:00:14 phil: love that game Feb 07 06:00:24 100 moves? agh Feb 07 06:00:32 That's the default high score Feb 07 06:00:35 no one has beaten it Feb 07 06:00:35 anyone ever beat the world of goo? Feb 07 06:00:36 haha Feb 07 06:00:39 oh ok Feb 07 06:00:42 maik, it's free in the app store Feb 07 06:01:19 Tibfib: does it have to be beatable to be submitted? Feb 07 06:01:25 Yeah Feb 07 06:01:27 well, i guess they're all beatable... Feb 07 06:01:45 Unless there was a serious glitch, they are all beatable Feb 07 06:03:04 maik, want version 0.6.6? Feb 07 06:03:16 alright, off to bed Feb 07 06:03:19 sure, what's it add? Feb 07 06:03:24 'night all Feb 07 06:03:28 night Feb 07 06:03:30 It adds a lights out mode, redoes the submission page Feb 07 06:03:35 and adds stuff to puzzlemaker Feb 07 06:03:40 cool Feb 07 06:03:46 now it is color and you can preview your puzzle Feb 07 06:04:06 I submitted it a couple days ago... Feb 07 06:06:13 agh, damn this helicopter game Feb 07 06:07:24 maik: just sent it Feb 07 06:08:09 woo, 576 Feb 07 06:08:10 k Feb 07 06:20:43 ooo the helicopter game Feb 07 06:20:56 my high score so far is 914 Feb 07 06:22:03 i just got 814 Feb 07 06:22:30 wewt Feb 07 06:22:59 So how would i go about enabling fullscreen on my app Feb 07 06:24:32 what type of app? Feb 07 06:29:53 howdy jfelectron... Feb 07 06:30:09 heya Feb 07 06:30:18 hiya Feb 07 06:30:25 howdy Feb 07 06:30:30 what's crackin? Feb 07 06:30:43 nuttin over here Feb 07 06:30:57 What do you think about photo uploading services? Trying to decide which to target. Feb 07 06:31:09 good Feb 07 06:31:14 meh Feb 07 06:31:30 i say uploading from a mobile Yeah Feb 07 06:31:46 for inclusion in blog...yeah I think its nifty Feb 07 06:31:49 just wondering which ones Feb 07 06:31:51 yeah that's cool Feb 07 06:31:56 yeah for sure Feb 07 06:31:59 Flickr and Picassa have nice APIs Feb 07 06:32:09 I just cam across tinypic Feb 07 06:32:19 needs to be no more than 2 steps Feb 07 06:32:32 yeah, no album Feb 07 06:32:41 Initially, people can add their creds Feb 07 06:32:51 maik: ping Feb 07 06:32:56 then its just one API call for Picass and two for Flickr Feb 07 06:33:05 Picassa Feb 07 06:33:12 Flickr Feb 07 06:33:31 I figure many WebOS users already have google and yahoo accounts Feb 07 06:33:48 so its pretty seamless to add Picassa and Flickr accounts Feb 07 06:34:04 yeah do both Feb 07 06:34:39 that's what I'm thinking Feb 07 06:35:01 do you have to use bauth or what ever it's proper name is Feb 07 06:35:14 I think I can add that in a day or two at most....already found an Oauth library for Google services Feb 07 06:36:00 Flickr has its own authentication scheme, but its similar. They sign in and give you permission..done. Its nice not having to encrypt and decrypt passwords Feb 07 06:36:07 theortically all auth services should work pretty much the same, it is an open standard Feb 07 06:36:11 i thinl\k Feb 07 06:38:06 Well Flcikr doesn't use Oauth....its simpler actually, but not standard compliant Feb 07 06:38:33 OK....now I just have to figure out how to interact with the photo app Feb 07 06:38:58 anyhow...thanks for the braintime.....wine and MadMen awaits Feb 07 06:42:51 madmen at what time? Feb 07 06:43:01 oh u are pacific time... Feb 07 06:48:33 Anyone here use Eclipse? When I run debug configuration, I get an error that it can't write to some strange directory. Feb 07 06:48:52 just restart Eclipse Feb 07 06:49:16 c:/users/boomer/AppData/Local/Temp/net.mydir.progname_1.0.0_all.ipk]. Feb 07 06:49:44 I've done that LoneStar99, I'm thinking it might be the ]? Can you have brackets in filenames in Windows? Feb 07 06:49:58 Time to get my dev environment setup on my CentOS box. Feb 07 06:50:27 Hmm, ] is allowed Feb 07 06:52:14 I created the dir myself, now it's working Feb 07 06:53:00 BoomerET: you might try Komodo Edit if you're not really happy with Eclipse, i really like it Feb 07 06:53:06 and i know a few others who do Feb 07 06:53:17 Ya know, I installed it a few hours ago. Feb 07 06:54:20 Is there a template, or do I have to make everything myself? (ie, like Notepad++) Feb 07 06:54:29 in komodo edit? Feb 07 06:54:53 Yes, guess I should find some tuts :) Feb 07 06:55:03 if you get the webOS add-on you can create a new project with the webOS pane Feb 07 06:55:10 you have to turn on the pane in the view menu i think Feb 07 06:56:18 http://webos.templarian.com/komodo/ Feb 07 06:56:30 BoomerET: google for komodo edit webos and download Templarian's tools Feb 07 06:56:45 Thanks! Feb 07 06:56:46 Which is there... Feb 07 06:56:58 :) Feb 07 06:58:35 doc! what are you still doing up? Feb 07 07:07:38 doc is up late...should we be worried? Feb 07 07:09:31 lol Feb 07 07:09:42 sugardave: no...may be it's me who's up late Feb 07 07:10:10 11 pm on a saturday? come on! :D Feb 07 07:10:26 smiles.... Feb 07 07:14:46 anyone ever heard of pat green? Feb 07 07:15:27 Yes but can't really recall related to what Feb 07 07:17:21 texas country Feb 07 07:19:00 cowboy pop? Feb 07 07:19:00 =) Feb 07 07:20:00 well texas pop rap with abit of hip hop Feb 07 07:20:05 well guys time for me to head out. I'll ttyt Feb 07 07:20:08 and country Feb 07 07:20:15 ok ttyl Feb 07 07:27:40 hola Feb 07 07:27:54 I am having some trouble understanding bind() Feb 07 07:27:56 hola amigo Feb 07 07:28:15 it looks like I can only use it on event methods? Feb 07 07:28:22 you can use bind on all functions Feb 07 07:28:31 it's a feature of the Prototype library Feb 07 07:28:47 back Feb 07 07:28:56 ah Feb 07 07:28:57 mk Feb 07 07:29:13 I have done this - CanvasAssistant.prototype.runtime = function() { ... } Feb 07 07:29:29 codeslaw: how was the bar? Feb 07 07:29:30 and I have tried to say this in the setup - this.runtime.bind(this); Feb 07 07:29:42 LoneStar99: decent, crowded Feb 07 07:29:48 col Feb 07 07:30:09 so that in runtime I can say this.someVariable and it accesses a variable I created in the setup() function Feb 07 07:30:18 but it does not seem to work that way? Feb 07 07:30:41 hamiltont: properties of the prototype are automatically accessible via this Feb 07 07:31:00 also, bind returns the bound function so you actually need to assign it somewhere to be able to use it Feb 07 07:31:09 I'd suggest you read prototypejs's docs to better understand it Feb 07 07:31:29 ah, so I am 1) doing something partially useless (for what I want to accomplish) and 2) doing it wrong Feb 07 07:31:33 and perhaps in general how 'this' works in JS since it's a bit different than in many OOP languages :) Feb 07 07:31:38 hamiltont: yes, that's right :D Feb 07 07:31:47 sounds like a good start to coding in webOS :) Feb 07 07:32:00 yea, I am rusty on the JS and I never got too deep Feb 07 07:32:07 well if you haven't done JS before, 'this' is something everyone gets stuck on for a while Feb 07 07:32:24 zomg: JS has horribly sloppy scoping and a strange object model :) Feb 07 07:32:40 Yeah it's strange if you haven't used prototypal languages before (seriously, who has?) Feb 07 07:32:58 well, if you have a moment, here is the full(now revised) assistant so far - http://pastebin.ca/1788811 - you can see that I am trying to access this.canvas in the runtime function after I create it in the setup() function, but something is wrong Feb 07 07:33:15 I can't even name any prototypal languages other than JavaScript... (And ActionScript, which is essentially the same language but just a little different) Feb 07 07:33:15 cut my teeth with C/C++......so yeah prototypical model is odd Feb 07 07:33:21 yea, if you have a good link on this "prototypal" setup it would be good to learn a bit more Feb 07 07:33:27 hitting wikipedia now ... :) Feb 07 07:33:35 crockford's sites Feb 07 07:33:52 This should be good for 'this' http://www.quirksmode.org/js/this.html Feb 07 07:33:55 webos101.com Feb 07 07:34:01 ah, great Feb 07 07:34:04 thanks to all Feb 07 07:34:06 or webos101.net Feb 07 07:34:43 prototype docs are really good Feb 07 07:34:52 lots of folks here want the price money... Feb 07 07:35:24 I guess its working then Feb 07 07:35:36 light some fire under WebOS development Feb 07 07:35:48 yeah why not Feb 07 07:36:19 uncles and grand daddies are coming out Feb 07 07:36:29 kinda surprised the shear amount of money they're throwing at it Feb 07 07:36:50 are they doing that good or is this a hail mary? Feb 07 07:37:03 not sure Feb 07 07:37:52 I mean I guess a few hundred thousand is something Elevation Partners might have on their bedside table...but its not insignificant Feb 07 07:38:34 Is there any way to send an in-app email using the mojo sdk? I don't want to launch the email app just to have the user click send and then go back to my app. Feb 07 07:38:39 hamilton: its pretty easy....everything is an object including functions and everything can be extended at any time Feb 07 07:40:03 jfelectron: yea, I am almost done w/the first article Feb 07 07:40:10 its not to bad so far Feb 07 07:40:36 there is so far money can go, google will fail at phones, and the browser will never get more than 5% Feb 07 07:40:47 juancferrer: email service launches e-mail app, I don't think you can get around that unless you interact with the API directly in your app Feb 07 07:40:54 I have never done Ruby, but this seems to be similar to what I hear it is like (lol, worst sentence ever - something I don't yet understand seems like something I have never done) Feb 07 07:41:41 jfelectron: ok, that's what I thought. I guess just post the data to a server, and have the server send the email Feb 07 07:41:50 uhhhh......Ruby is actually more similar to Objective-C in that both borrowed heavily from SmallTalk Feb 07 07:42:24 its a kind of message passing object model..you tell objects to do certain actions Feb 07 07:42:49 Sorry, I meant more the "everything is an object" part Feb 07 07:43:29 same for Python Feb 07 07:43:45 ah I didnt know that a/b python Feb 07 07:45:58 did the bars close... its like folks wanting pizza slices at 2.15am Feb 07 07:47:07 bars close? Feb 07 07:47:25 oh activity on the channel...:) Feb 07 07:47:46 vegas baby Feb 07 07:49:00 Any one here mess with the list widget much? Feb 07 07:49:34 scottb: *everyone* does its the backbone of WebOS :) Feb 07 07:49:45 scottb: what ails you? Feb 07 07:50:04 Jagged white pixelated edges :( Feb 07 07:50:35 I've seen apps where the list looks great on custom background but I get this nasty white thing on mine Feb 07 07:50:39 (for the list header) Feb 07 07:51:35 scottb: what default classes have you customized and how? Feb 07 07:51:53 None of em Feb 07 07:52:26 so you have a palm-header or page-header and your list is contained by palm-group? Feb 07 07:53:00 you mentioned custom background? How is that coming into play? Feb 07 07:53:01 palm-group-title Feb 07 07:53:18 on palm-group wrapping palm-list Feb 07 07:53:40 And I have a custom bg on my body Feb 07 07:53:42 Ok so you customized palm-group? Feb 07 07:53:48 I haven't Feb 07 07:54:03 OK so just custom body.palm-default Feb 07 07:54:23 Didn't do any thing with palm-default class Feb 07 07:54:33 Just did body.myClassNameHere Feb 07 07:54:45 ahhh OK...so you just replace it, OK Feb 07 07:55:23 I think the default palm-group looks like crap on a custom background, it has this weird border Feb 07 07:55:44 Yeah, that's what I'm running into Feb 07 07:55:48 I suggest customizing the -webkit-border-image for palm-group Feb 07 07:56:02 =/ Feb 07 07:56:12 Where would I do this at? Feb 07 07:56:38 where would you generate the graphic or what class would you modify? Feb 07 07:56:59 Both Feb 07 07:57:25 OK....let me paste something up Feb 07 07:57:33 Thanks :) Feb 07 07:57:51 Palm did an amazing job of making apps a pain to write >< Feb 07 07:58:32 they are leveraging CSS3.......its powerful stuff once you get the hang of it Feb 07 07:58:58 it's brilliant. the tools are crap but the environment is brilliant. Feb 07 07:59:03 The client side code isn't my real complaint, it's the lack of documentation on the custom webos stuff Feb 07 07:59:34 atwood's law: everyting that can be written in javascript will eventually be written in javascript. Feb 07 07:59:45 well its just CSS....google is your friend :) Feb 07 08:00:01 but yeah....the CSS properties that are supported could be a lot better documented Feb 07 08:00:08 I'm in love with the idea of building every thing in pure html / css / js Feb 07 08:00:09 oh try to make sense of Mojo.Function.Synchronize. documentation is crap. Feb 07 08:00:22 the examples are obtuse Feb 07 08:00:25 or just wrong Feb 07 08:00:33 http://www.pastie.org/813166 Feb 07 08:00:40 it's like the wild west man Feb 07 08:00:45 I love the documentation snippets I come across that aren't even valid syntax Feb 07 08:01:54 would any of yous like some water? Feb 07 08:01:55 I've yet to copy and paste an example from the docs and have it run without issue Feb 07 08:02:09 scottb: here's a resource on webkit-border-image Feb 07 08:02:22 oh the code quality even if it a sample worked is bleh Feb 07 08:02:23 it is one of the key things to master for customization. Feb 07 08:02:35 scottb: webos101.com Feb 07 08:02:36 Its more than it seems....ie its not just a border Feb 07 08:03:05 It would be nice if palm opened up their documentation so that devs could update it Feb 07 08:03:11 it allows you to cut-up a building block image and then stretch it to make say a palm-group Feb 07 08:03:35 that's what webos101 is for :) Feb 07 08:03:40 its a wiki Feb 07 08:03:49 Very nice :D Feb 07 08:04:15 Once I can stand on my own two feet I'll have to contribute! Feb 07 08:05:08 now for actually generating art....what platform are you using Win/Mac/Linux? Feb 07 08:05:27 Hahahahahahahahahaha Feb 07 08:05:28 w Feb 07 08:05:39 So now the fun part Feb 07 08:05:51 OSX, Adobe CS4 up and running Feb 07 08:05:54 However Feb 07 08:05:56 i go back and forth between a windows and mac. works great. Feb 07 08:06:11 thats freedom Feb 07 08:06:40 scottb: OK so you if you have Illustrator and know how to use it your're set :) Feb 07 08:06:57 I'm on a macbook pro, no mini displayport adapter on hand, I run Adobe products on my second monitor, without my second monitor the apps render such that I cant resize or reposition them Feb 07 08:07:12 Check out InkScape too Feb 07 08:07:34 In other words I'm short design software until monday =/ Feb 07 08:07:44 nothing comes close to illustrator cs4. the thing reads minds. Feb 07 08:07:59 It's all about Fireworks CS4 Feb 07 08:08:24 I only know about it in theory Feb 07 08:08:29 Takes the best of illustrator and photoshop and blends them into an app perfect for web graphic design Feb 07 08:08:37 inkscape looks like its coming along Feb 07 08:09:04 Have any of you tried Code Breaker from the beta stream by chance? Feb 07 08:09:08 dylanmel: yeah, it really has....the path based tools are quite good now Feb 07 08:09:17 I'm looking for feedback to improve it before submitting it to the catalog Feb 07 08:09:30 is it a game? Feb 07 08:09:47 yeah Feb 07 08:10:03 damn i should like to try inkscape out, it's come a long way in a year and a half. Feb 07 08:10:28 I'm overhauling the menu system with more standard webos widgets right now (a pain in the ass) Feb 07 08:10:58 personally like adobe products via torrent just a few years ols Feb 07 08:11:00 d Feb 07 08:12:08 sometimes its best to suck it up and contain your creativity while you're getting started Feb 07 08:13:38 true...you can spend hours messing with pixels Feb 07 08:13:59 weeks even jf, weeks.... :/ Feb 07 08:14:24 brb, sounds like a fight at the bar out back gotta check it out :D Feb 07 08:16:02 i just hope the apps that win are good apps, not some "this will save..."\ Feb 07 08:16:24 dylanmel: yeah....I hate to admit how much of my life is sucked away pushing pixels Feb 07 08:16:37 i need to get a fart app in real soon to try to nab some of that Feb 07 08:18:58 i spent a good deal of time trying to get the ui to look very particular and then got no actual interesting functionality going. best thing i did was throw that crap away. as much as i complain about some of the palm default look and feel the app looks good and i spend my time on what my app does. Feb 07 08:20:09 when the pdk comes in and everyone starts porting their iphone apps then its going to get messy Feb 07 08:20:22 jfelectron and I made it possible to make everything look greener Feb 07 08:20:55 or yellow or blue Feb 07 08:20:59 everything in one app or everything....? Feb 07 08:21:30 screw the palm white or black shit, color it what ever Feb 07 08:21:30 iphone ports aren't trivial...but I expect will see a whole slew of interesting services and linux apps paired with WebOS front-ends Feb 07 08:21:47 yeah...palm-default stuff is just kinda meeeg Feb 07 08:21:50 meeeh Feb 07 08:21:58 boo Feb 07 08:22:32 it looks like the app is a prisoner Feb 07 08:22:33 i won't complain if it means more people buy phones, and more countries are added. Feb 07 08:22:51 they are coming Feb 07 08:23:54 honestly i can whip out stuff with the webos/mojo framework that would take ages to write in anything else Feb 07 08:25:38 yeah why not it is where it is going Feb 07 08:26:03 1600 downloads of my beta in ~24 hours :D Feb 07 08:26:12 i just need more cpu Feb 07 08:26:28 nice scott Feb 07 08:26:32 Faster canvas would be nice! Feb 07 08:27:02 more complete canvas support would be nice Feb 07 08:27:04 thats what i was thinking with the cpu, though a improved canvas implemention would do the trick Feb 07 08:27:21 I wrote a breakout clone as my first app but I used canvas for every thing and it runs awesome in the emulator but it's like watching a marble sink in molasses on the phone its self Feb 07 08:27:32 I think acceleration of canvas and CSS transitions is in the works....just hasn't matured yet Feb 07 08:28:02 YES. same here with canvas Feb 07 08:28:23 and please c'mon can we have drop shadows for our css please. Feb 07 08:30:09 Same with canvas, where is my shadow blur? Feb 07 08:30:21 or anti aliased text ffs Feb 07 08:32:27 i love canvas - didnt know about it until i started working on webos. i hope they are working on making it better. Feb 07 08:32:59 i am sure it is being made better Feb 07 08:33:23 dylamel: yes drop shadows and masking would be sweet Feb 07 08:33:27 masking Feb 07 08:33:29 i mean right now. while i'm getting ready for bed. some palm coder better be working on it ;) Feb 07 08:33:49 masking works but not composite/blending Feb 07 08:34:51 webkit-mask-image works? Feb 07 08:35:01 oh sorry, no i meant masking in canvas Feb 07 08:35:08 Oh OK Feb 07 08:35:10 i never heard of webkit-mask-image Feb 07 08:35:44 if that's what i think it is i really need that. i don't *think* i can do that in canvas but i was going to try it. Feb 07 08:35:44 they're sweet: http://webkit.org/blog/181/css-masks/ Feb 07 08:36:06 safari does it....WebOS should...I guess the rendering is maybe too heavy Feb 07 08:36:07 yeah i need that Feb 07 08:36:47 a lot of things that required alpha channel manipulation dont work Feb 07 08:37:04 yep Feb 07 08:37:18 opacity works but if it requires any more thought than that then we don't get it Feb 07 08:38:58 dylanmei: if you all want to make a game with canvas and webos go http://freeciv.net/ Feb 07 08:39:39 tihs is not even a 'style' anymore it's a programming instruction: -webkit-mask-image: -webkit-gradient(linear, left top, left bottom, from(rgba(0,0,0,1)), to(rgba(0,0,0,0))) Feb 07 08:39:57 those graphic designers can stay the heck out of my stylesheets now Feb 07 08:40:17 if that game runs on the pre i will eat my socks Feb 07 08:41:27 dylanmel: yes....same with CSS tranforms...they overlap somewhat with canvas features Feb 07 08:42:54 cool stuff. gotta learn all this. my head is gonna explode. Feb 07 08:58:17 Would palm reject an app for having opacity:0.5 on a webos button widget? Feb 07 09:10:37 evening Feb 07 09:11:20 wow, 109 here and everyone afk? Feb 07 09:11:35 * BoomerET nods Feb 07 09:20:16 Can any one be AFK any more? Feb 07 09:20:43 We have keyboards attached to every thing Feb 07 09:22:21 * swishy waas about to reply then relised he had his cell phone in his pocket... Feb 07 09:23:00 :P Feb 07 09:23:30 Oi, this drag drop stuff really sucks =/ Feb 07 09:24:06 As far as I can tell I've done everything exactly how I should yet I end up with no drop containers =/ Feb 07 09:44:29 halo Feb 07 09:51:09 jfelectron: you still up? Feb 07 09:51:33 uhuh...surprised you are.....what's it like 4? Feb 07 10:15:41 * swishy wonders what the heck he's doing wrong Feb 07 10:16:46 moved my app frmo Ares built to manual and still cant get the damn stylesheet applied Feb 07 10:16:51 lol Feb 07 10:17:37 I just started the tutorial in Ares, I'm quite impressed. Feb 07 10:17:45 Time to get some sleep, nite. Feb 07 10:22:03 kick ass Feb 07 10:22:05 fixed Feb 07 10:22:08 * swishy sighs Feb 07 10:23:12 I take it I should be able to set a bg image on a panel ? Feb 07 10:27:06 swishy: Yes, any styles can be overridden Feb 07 10:27:26 thanks, must be something to do with my reference Feb 07 10:28:09 You could try using the web inspector to check what styles are applied to the panel on the actual device or emulator Feb 07 10:30:44 ok thanks Feb 07 10:31:38 zomg, thats the palm inspector app I take it? Feb 07 10:31:50 * swishy has been in Ares land thus far Feb 07 10:35:40 zomg, nm l0ser error, hadnt set width on div Feb 07 10:35:42 LOL Feb 07 10:38:54 heh Feb 07 10:53:33 zomg, cant get it to apply an image though, is there anything specific regarding location aroun dimages? Feb 07 10:53:53 As far as I know no Feb 07 10:54:06 background-image: url(location/relative/to/css); and it should work Feb 07 10:54:17 oohhhh Feb 07 10:56:18 haha Feb 07 10:56:21 <--asshat Feb 07 10:56:25 zomg, working Feb 07 10:56:27 thanks Feb 07 10:56:33 oh? Guess the path was wrong? =) Feb 07 10:56:56 yeah didnt think about the "relative to css" bit Feb 07 10:57:23 Yeah you'd assume it's relative to the file which loads the CSS but no Feb 07 10:57:32 right now to setup the rest of the divs etc manually and I can send it to someone to test Feb 07 10:57:43 tomorrow I think looking at clock Feb 07 10:57:45 :) Feb 07 10:58:30 zomg, thanks for the help Feb 07 10:58:34 * swishy heads off Feb 07 11:19:51 hello Feb 07 11:53:14 * ivanst shrugs and sighs Feb 07 13:27:45 zzzZZZzzz Feb 07 14:38:26 yawn....stretch...."whats up webos world?" Feb 07 14:44:05 * haeffb will go get coffee...you guys just hang out 'till I get back. Feb 07 14:50:44 hey haeffb . Feb 07 15:19:57 hey BMyers_away Feb 07 15:25:58 got ur coffee ? Feb 07 15:27:17 you betcha! Feb 07 15:27:27 all is right with the world Feb 07 15:27:56 i hear ya Feb 07 15:55:26 hi Doc Feb 07 15:57:26 Hey Feb 07 16:22:33 reality9110: did you figure out how to restart the network? Feb 07 16:23:37 sugardave: Yes Feb 07 16:24:28 Myles submitted to app catalog Feb 07 16:25:01 haeffb: awesome Feb 07 16:25:06 reality9110: what are you working on? Feb 07 16:26:15 hey everyone Feb 07 16:26:27 hi sx Feb 07 16:26:27 swisstomcat: re Feb 07 16:26:40 s/sx/swisstomcat Feb 07 16:26:45 over 8000 moo downloads :) Feb 07 16:27:09 what sucks tho is the 0 star reviews i get if someone can't install it Feb 07 16:27:12 swisstomcat: psssh...amateur Feb 07 16:27:23 hmm? Feb 07 16:27:38 8000 downloads... Feb 07 16:27:50 what about them? Feb 07 16:28:13 swisstomcat: reality9110 scoffs at your piddly download numbers ;) Feb 07 16:28:18 oh Feb 07 16:28:36 well, add 6600 homebrew Feb 07 16:28:37 Just yanking your chain Feb 07 16:28:41 hehe Feb 07 16:28:51 how many have you got? ;) Feb 07 16:28:52 6600 homebrew...psssh...amateur Feb 07 16:29:11 that's over 10000, my friend Feb 07 16:29:24 I've got well over 100,000 Feb 07 16:29:26 not bad for the first app :) Feb 07 16:29:42 * swisstomcat goes back to his corner Feb 07 16:29:48 100k .. cool Feb 07 16:29:57 which app? Feb 07 16:30:30 swisstomcat: RadioTime Feb 07 16:30:44 oh Feb 07 16:30:52 i saw that you used my german translation Feb 07 16:30:59 Indeed I did Feb 07 16:31:05 86,823 Feb 07 16:31:26 haeffb: Which app? Feb 07 16:31:31 86,823 homebrew dl's is pretty good. Feb 07 16:31:37 Agenda Feb 07 16:31:39 ah Feb 07 16:31:58 now I have to go to precentral Feb 07 16:32:12 considering the somewhat limited userbase Feb 07 16:32:35 How many times did you update it? Feb 07 16:32:41 5500 with the other two apps combined Feb 07 16:32:44 several Feb 07 16:32:55 cool haeffb: Feb 07 16:34:13 oh yeah, Mind Master stopped at 10750 because I moved it to official status Feb 07 16:34:20 any ideas about the 0 star reviews? Feb 07 16:34:27 precentrals rating system is even worse than Palms Feb 07 16:34:32 everyone else gives at least 4-5 stars Feb 07 16:34:41 no idea who rated the app, why they gave it the rating they did Feb 07 16:34:47 the 0 star reviews make the final 3.4 Feb 07 16:34:50 BOFH Excuse Generator: 8285 @ precentral Feb 07 16:34:50 swisstomcat: chuq will take care of it. Feb 07 16:35:01 ah, good to hear .. how? Feb 07 16:35:13 Yule Log: 13K @ precentral Feb 07 16:35:15 wow Feb 07 16:35:17 that's crazy Feb 07 16:35:40 chuq deletes the 0 star reviews? Feb 07 16:35:42 let him know about it, if it's an invalid review (i.e. not related to your app) he'll remove it. Feb 07 16:35:58 well, all 0 star reviews are "can't even install the app" Feb 07 16:36:06 not if the review is "this app sucks, I give it 0 stars" Feb 07 16:36:11 swisstomcat: If the 0 star review is about it not being able to download or install, just tell chuq on the Palm forums in this http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=4198 thread Feb 07 16:36:44 will do, thanks Feb 07 16:37:12 although i wonder about the installation problems .. is that something i could even fix? Feb 07 16:37:18 No Feb 07 16:37:41 okay, time to bathe the dog Feb 07 16:37:45 see y'all in a while Feb 07 16:37:50 cu Feb 07 16:37:57 is that code for something sugardave? Feb 07 16:38:03 hehe Feb 07 16:39:57 I think I'll implement a remote "execute user" in the next version of RadioTime Feb 07 16:40:47 that'll clear up some of those negative reviews Feb 07 16:41:04 and a 0 star review of "can't install" doesn't help the developer, because he can't contact the reviewer Feb 07 16:41:24 how does the android/apple app store solve that problem? Feb 07 16:42:06 swisstomcat: I've bitched and moaned about not being able to contact the reviewers. Nothing will be done about i Feb 07 16:42:08 t Feb 07 16:42:19 not good Feb 07 16:42:31 it doesn't help the developer, neither the reviewer Feb 07 16:42:40 just skews the results Feb 07 16:42:54 Especially when the idiots try to use the reviews section as a support section Feb 07 16:44:14 yeah Feb 07 16:44:25 and we developers have no means of contacting them Feb 07 16:45:12 nope Feb 07 16:45:27 not good Feb 07 16:45:48 i wonder how other apps stores solve this problem? Feb 07 16:47:01 http://www.tigercountrysoftware.com (actual content yet to be developed...) Feb 07 16:47:07 I'll find out in a few days when RadioTime for Android drops Feb 07 16:48:48 did u right that one Doc? Feb 07 16:50:32 write...no Feb 07 16:50:42 right write... Feb 07 16:50:51 wrong right... :) Feb 07 16:51:19 I don't know how to program in anything except a little c# and webos Feb 07 16:51:40 c# <3 Feb 07 16:51:46 once you know how to program, the rest is syntax.. Feb 07 16:52:17 Not for c++...I look at that and I lose it Feb 07 16:52:46 oop Feb 07 17:02:45 woohoo! content! http://www.tigercountrysoftware.com/ Feb 07 17:02:57 maybe needs a bit of styling yet. Feb 07 17:05:16 i like it just the way it is.. dont change a thing.. Feb 07 17:11:43 c# is similar to javascript (syntax) Feb 07 17:12:10 haeffb: yeah, very clean and nice Feb 07 17:14:29 Very handicapped friendly Feb 07 17:14:50 not bandwidth challenging either Feb 07 17:15:27 yeah works great on my 2400 baud modem Feb 07 17:15:42 even loads fast on my amiga.. Feb 07 17:18:35 is it in color? i can't tell because i just have a black/green screen Feb 07 17:19:07 yeah it's in color. two colors. Feb 07 17:19:13 black and green.. Feb 07 17:19:25 hey, i'm lucky Feb 07 17:19:51 * haeffb back to maid service duty Feb 07 17:20:17 y'all can feel free to design my web site while I'm gone. Like, if you're bored and need something to do. Feb 07 17:20:40 you could add some tags to spruce it up Feb 07 17:21:09 and don't forget the "under construction" sign ... i have an animated gif you could use Feb 07 17:24:02 21% of the reviews are 0 stars, same as the 4 stars .. that sucks Feb 07 17:24:09 42% are 5 stars Feb 07 17:24:30 reality9110: we can partner up...maybe we can integrate the BOFH Excuse Generator into RadioTime Feb 07 17:29:07 okay it's time for a new app idea Feb 07 17:31:14 anyone in for some brainstorming? Feb 07 17:31:27 sure Feb 07 17:32:06 i'd like some cool todo app... but i'm not sure if the world could need yet another one of those Feb 07 17:33:43 so how could one revolutionize todo apps? Feb 07 17:33:46 tip calculator? or a twitter client maybe? Feb 07 17:33:53 heh Feb 07 17:33:57 tip calculator, definitely Feb 07 17:34:04 it definitely should be something that i'd want to use Feb 07 17:34:39 check the precentral forum for app ideas/requests Feb 07 17:34:57 good idea Feb 07 17:35:26 has the base Tasks app ever been updated to, you know, provide an alarm? Feb 07 17:38:58 todo app is my next project Feb 07 17:39:28 any specific basis haeffb? Feb 07 17:39:41 but I'm waiting for a web service to get their api running Feb 07 17:40:14 I hate to give away my secrets, but http://www.nirvanahq.com Feb 07 17:40:44 their implementation is still in beta, but the concept is better than most any other I've seen. Feb 07 17:41:43 o i'm stealing that one... Feb 07 17:41:44 if you're a GTD type Feb 07 17:42:02 Bmyers: you bastard. I'm adding you to my list of nemesis'es Feb 07 17:42:15 which currently includes only you and sugardave Feb 07 17:42:21 oh, and rick-home Feb 07 17:42:30 ah you know how it goes. best friends, greatest nemesis.. Feb 07 17:42:37 its a fine line Feb 07 17:42:40 he's included under the default category of 'beaker' Feb 07 17:42:55 nemesi? Feb 07 17:43:27 I was going to do a toodledo app, but then found nirvana Feb 07 17:43:34 literally speaking Feb 07 17:43:54 hey, this house isn't cleaning itself! (back to work) Feb 07 17:52:59 Beaker. :-) That's me. Feb 07 17:53:07 i implemented kinda my own way of todo system at work... it was once based on gtd but slightly changed for my benefits Feb 07 17:53:19 i just wonder if it could be really usefull to any other but me Feb 07 17:53:31 with the possible exception of basketball Brian and I get along just fine. Feb 07 17:54:10 but when it comes to b-ball, well, in THAT case he's clearly a scum-sucking-un-repenatant-slaver-genocidal-maniac. :-) Feb 07 17:54:58 That could be the solution to the middle-eastern problems. Feb 07 17:55:09 Teach them to play basketball and let them fight it out THERE.... Feb 07 17:55:56 didn't they try that with soccer already? Feb 07 17:56:04 I don't think it worked out too well Feb 07 17:56:35 oh everyone knows soccer is a game for hooligans Feb 07 17:56:59 and people who like to watch paint dry or grass grow Feb 07 17:57:15 No no, you've confused soccer and cricket. Feb 07 17:57:31 a common mistake among americans Feb 07 18:00:08 not to be confused with the company that makes since shot 22lr rifles commonly given to kids as their first gun. http://www.crickett.com/shop_by_brand.php?manufacturers_id=27 Feb 07 18:03:30 well, there could also be a problem with football, but it seems Kansas doesn't participate in that sport. Feb 07 18:05:02 pish tosh - football - why, we think so little of football that Wichita State doesn't even HAVE a football team. Instead they hired a full time bowling coaching team. :-) Feb 07 18:09:53 No football team here either Feb 07 18:13:41 have you decided if you're taking the California job Doc? Feb 07 18:16:45 rick-home: serviceManager for screenshot does not work btw Feb 07 18:20:39 well THAT SUCKS Feb 07 18:26:53 hey Feb 07 18:27:42 i was reading on how to get tethering up and working, do i really need to root the phone or can i do it through the phone itself? Feb 07 18:32:04 Good morning Feb 07 18:35:55 states without football...is that even legal? Feb 07 18:39:34 States with football should be illegal Feb 07 18:39:46 Now soccer thats a real sport! Feb 07 18:44:01 sports are bopring Feb 07 18:44:08 only thing i watch is the olympics Feb 07 18:45:43 Any one done an app that needed a full screen scene? Feb 07 18:46:47 acme64 please ask again in #webos-internals but the answer is, at minimum you're going to have to put the phone into developer mode and use webos-quick-install to install a couple of packages. Feb 07 18:50:14 yeah, soccer...where you have to wait 4 years to find out who has the best team Feb 07 18:50:15 woo Feb 07 18:51:01 lol Feb 07 18:51:43 I may go out to the range during the superbowl. They've promised no tv's, no radios, and no discussion of football. Feb 07 18:52:05 Hmmm...I have Michael Steele's email address. Feb 07 18:52:29 I seriously want to kill the documentation, it's so crappy! Feb 07 18:52:44 Maybe I should write him and ask him for one of those low paying million dollar jobs. Feb 07 18:52:53 scottb how can we help you... Feb 07 18:53:18 rick-home: Didn't you hear him? He said murder the documentation Feb 07 18:53:26 Still fighting the damn drag drop api Feb 07 18:53:36 ahhhh Feb 07 18:53:41 drag is hard. Feb 07 18:53:46 What is it you can't do? Feb 07 18:53:55 The drag is working, it's the drop containers that don't play nice Feb 07 18:54:14 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1858&Itemid=247 Feb 07 18:54:26 setupDropContainer never sets up a drop container Feb 07 18:54:40 No errors, no exceptions, nothing logged Feb 07 18:54:48 Acts almost as though I never called the damn method Feb 07 18:55:21 right -- exactly what it does, yes. Feb 07 18:55:28 I've tried the dropClient argument as json, an instance of a function with those methods, and everything in between Feb 07 18:55:41 ? Feb 07 18:56:12 The only thing I do get is when I start dragging an element the logger says "no drop containers setup" or something near that Feb 07 18:57:15 have you looked at the drag-and-drop example in the mojomatters sample app? Feb 07 18:57:51 mojomatters sample app? Feb 07 18:58:05 you have the sdk 1.3.1 or later right? Feb 07 18:58:12 I should yes Feb 07 18:58:27 go to Palm\SDK\share\samplecode\samples Feb 07 18:58:40 the mojomatters sample app has sample code implementing almost every api Feb 07 18:59:04 Hmm, dont have mojomatters, must be out of date =/ Feb 07 18:59:49 uh Feb 07 18:59:52 wait one. Feb 07 19:00:06 is it also on git? Feb 07 19:00:44 got it to work, thanks rick-home Feb 07 19:01:05 It is on git, just found it Feb 07 19:01:23 yep http://github.com/palm/webos-samples/tree/e65b2f83eb03937ae6ed0491b8f146de5850ca3d Feb 07 19:01:27 ahhh beat me to it Feb 07 19:03:48 well crud, I don't find dragdrop in there. Feb 07 19:03:49 :-( Feb 07 19:07:12 rehi Feb 07 19:09:00 scottb found one on git tho... Feb 07 19:09:01 http://gist.github.com/193428 Feb 07 19:09:20 Tried using that to no avail Feb 07 19:09:32 It's been the only example I've found Feb 07 19:15:21 there's a call to drag and drop in virtual keyboard. Feb 07 19:15:51 pinng egaudet or egaudet-work here and in #webos. He obviously made it work in VK Feb 07 19:16:46 http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/modifications/commit/a73fd37677f5495b8e6021d38b45c76f01239e00 Feb 07 19:18:48 Thanks for your help :) Feb 07 19:19:01 I'll dig through these and see if I can figure out what I'm missing Feb 07 19:44:21 is there a place for devs to report bugs that the palm people read? not talking feature requests but bugs... Feb 07 19:49:00 a 1.3.5 bug? Feb 07 19:49:04 or what? Feb 07 19:49:17 well its been a bug for some time but it's starting to make me angry. :) Feb 07 19:49:45 but yes its in 1.3.5 Feb 07 19:49:52 Go to the dev forums Feb 07 19:51:03 Is there a "onthumbup" event of sorts? Feb 07 19:51:09 *an Feb 07 19:52:17 in the dev forums i always feel like i'm talking to a wall Feb 07 19:52:54 Mojo.Event.flick Feb 07 19:53:36 Something that I can start a drag in one spot and call an event on another element when a thumb is lifted over that element? Feb 07 19:54:10 oh nevermind, thats not a flick Feb 07 20:02:46 scottb: like Mojo.Event.dragStart, Mojo.Event.dragging and Mojo.Event.dragEnd? Feb 07 20:02:57 What do you guys usually see in the way of downloads and rating for a beta app? Feb 07 20:03:38 Epix: Sorta, I've spent about 5 hours trying to get drag/drop working using Mojo.Drag so I'm looking for other solutions to allow me to drag an element from one place on the screen and drop it into another element and fire an event Feb 07 20:04:11 onmouseup Feb 07 20:04:13 :D Feb 07 20:04:20 Does that actually work? Feb 07 20:04:42 I think they do... Feb 07 20:04:47 not sure Feb 07 20:05:36 If thats the case I am going to grab a gun and start shooting my computer Feb 07 20:06:06 I've pulled half my hair out trying to figure out how to get the "onmouseup" event working using the mojo framework Feb 07 20:06:09 I did something with the 'regular' events that worked, but can't remember what it was Feb 07 20:06:50 I think I had to use prototype's listen methods Feb 07 20:10:06 Oh nice, palm just tried to charge me 50 bucks to submit a beta >< Feb 07 20:11:29 Beta 1.6.0 of code breaker is on its way, lacking drag drop, but much better overall :D Feb 07 20:11:43 yeah i they have a bug with that. They tried to charge me 50$ again when I was submitting an update for one of my applications. Feb 07 20:12:05 Nice Feb 07 20:12:17 Do they charge for free apps that aren't open source? Feb 07 20:12:54 I think they don't charge for open source applications Feb 07 20:13:03 Hmm Feb 07 20:13:24 I want to give the first version of my risk clone away while I work on the full version to sell Feb 07 20:14:18 It's going to be fun but lacking features for a while so I don't want to charge for something I wouldnt pay for my self Feb 07 20:15:55 yeah. keeping it in beta will keep it free Feb 07 20:16:04 they don't charge for open source apps Feb 07 20:20:48 scottb, looking to feature push-notification vs multiplayer :D? Feb 07 20:21:10 ? Feb 07 20:21:22 i keep waiting on a webos game that i can play with a friend Feb 07 20:21:29 and when i make my move, it notifies him its his turn Feb 07 20:21:32 etc Feb 07 20:22:44 My risk clone will be dong that :) Feb 07 20:23:05 A buddy of mine is working on the server to handle the transactions while I'm working on the game Feb 07 20:23:16 We'll have multi player games and custom maps Feb 07 20:23:42 Thinking of doing chess that way too Feb 07 20:24:17 Gotta get a couple of low hanging fruit apps out first though Feb 07 20:24:33 Gotta be able to pay for the time I'm spending writing apps Feb 07 20:24:37 mmmm .. fruit apps Feb 07 20:24:42 Hahaha :P Feb 07 20:25:18 i'd like a banana and an apple please Feb 07 20:25:23 Hopefully Code Breaker goes over well and can help pay my bills Feb 07 20:26:32 It has a 3.9 rating and over 2k downloads so I think it will be received well :) Feb 07 20:26:49 scottb: If you can get it up to 4.5, you can be featured Feb 07 20:27:12 Its a 3.9 in beta because I had a few bugs with v1.0.0 Feb 07 20:27:50 Biggest issue is figuring out what to charge Feb 07 20:27:58 I would love to give it away but that doesn't pay bills Feb 07 20:28:14 1.99 looks good but .99 should sell better Feb 07 20:28:21 Dunno, never sold software before Feb 07 20:28:23 Ah, you're codebreaker Feb 07 20:28:29 played that yesterday, I'm dumb, its hard. Feb 07 20:28:37 Lol Feb 07 20:28:44 The instructions are lacking :P Feb 07 20:28:49 scottb: Look at the price point of other board games and look at the number of downloads Feb 07 20:29:05 FuMan, what did you think overall? Feb 07 20:29:22 reality9110: Yeah, I've been mulling over stats a bit Feb 07 20:29:35 Seems people buy at 1.99 Feb 07 20:29:49 people buy at way more than 1.99 Feb 07 20:29:54 I'm used to owning an iphone where if it's not free it damn well better be 99 cents and amazing Feb 07 20:30:02 heh Feb 07 20:30:09 Looks like the top board type game is $.99 Feb 07 20:30:12 gameloft, porting all their crap iphone games, making a killing just because its 3D Feb 07 20:30:24 meh, not really, i think the one boggle style game everyone likes is 2 Feb 07 20:30:25 FuMan, would you pay more than 1.99 for code breaker? Feb 07 20:30:32 scottb, likely not Feb 07 20:30:41 im just like the other sheep Feb 07 20:30:49 $1.99 seems better than $0.99 Feb 07 20:30:50 and wanna see 3D and flash for a 5 spot Feb 07 20:30:55 i did like the use of sound that Feb 07 20:30:57 lots of crap apps are $0.99 Feb 07 20:31:09 one of the first apps ive seen, using the regular SDK, that actually uses sound without it lagging behind a lot Feb 07 20:31:13 you must use ghost magic. Feb 07 20:31:31 It'll have a few extra features when I launch it, but as you said FuMan, likely not, so 1.99 or .99 Feb 07 20:31:55 FuMan: System sounds for the win :P Feb 07 20:32:00 Ahhh Feb 07 20:32:05 well played, cheater Feb 07 20:32:08 ;) Feb 07 20:32:14 either way, it looks pretty polished, and thats important Feb 07 20:32:15 You're probably looking at around 300-500 downloads total Feb 07 20:32:35 FuMan, and I have a list of about 20 things to clean up in it to really polish it Feb 07 20:32:36 all these apps that just pull all the stock webos widgets, and throw them together... its time to refine a bit more Feb 07 20:32:53 I'll ship with 3 difficulty levels, selectable themes, and a third game mode Feb 07 20:33:07 FuMan: Only so much a developer can do until the PDK comes out Feb 07 20:33:07 well, keep up the good work Feb 07 20:33:15 reality, for sure Feb 07 20:33:23 dammit, i dont know what autocomplete is on xchat aqua Feb 07 20:33:31 I have openssh installed and the script from gitorious.org in place and edited to allow for ssh across evdo, however it isn't working Feb 07 20:33:32 I'm looking forward to mass PDK access Feb 07 20:33:36 The PDK even with all of it's flaws is awesome Feb 07 20:33:37 it does work over wifi - Feb 07 20:33:41 Unless we want to bloat our apps by adding additional javascript libraries Feb 07 20:33:53 even stupid apps, that don't need 3D accel, will benefit greatly Feb 07 20:33:53 Code breaker is about 2 days in development and already nearly ready for launch Feb 07 20:33:57 dick-richardson: #webos-internals Feb 07 20:34:11 reality9110: thank you :) Feb 07 20:34:13 although the automatic cpu-upclocking is bullcrap Feb 07 20:34:33 and i find myself not wanting to run certain applications, just cause I know it will rape my battery, even though it doesn't need the extra processing power Feb 07 20:34:46 FuMan, quick question before I run out for a smoke, any ideas for how to improve my app? Feb 07 20:34:52 so, i hope that becomes an option for developers to choose, as well as native cpu-scaling when the phone is off Feb 07 20:35:09 scottb, maybe a bit bigger "crack" button or whatever Feb 07 20:35:12 i miss the button on the right a lot Feb 07 20:35:27 and a little bit better explanation as to what the 4 dots mean Feb 07 20:35:29 So do I :P Feb 07 20:35:33 ie, do their positions matter, etc Feb 07 20:35:34 It's on my list of todo's :) Feb 07 20:35:44 They dont Feb 07 20:35:52 well, f. thats harder. Feb 07 20:35:57 Yep :P Feb 07 20:36:28 I'll be overhauling the instructions with a demo walkthrough Feb 07 20:36:34 oh Feb 07 20:36:38 and setup a feedback submit thing Feb 07 20:36:45 *not sure if this is there yet Feb 07 20:36:58 It's planned Feb 07 20:37:01 Some developers actually have in an-app form, and some just the palm standard "e-mail contact" Feb 07 20:37:21 Still getting my domain ramped up for supporting app dev Feb 07 20:37:24 but i really love in-app-form. There are a couple devs I've exchanged several little diddies with... a really neat aspect of webos Feb 07 20:37:47 I'll try and work that in Feb 07 20:38:02 good luck Feb 07 20:38:05 First version will probably ship with just email Feb 07 20:38:15 and as soon as the infrastructure is there, give me a battleship, and chess Feb 07 20:38:22 than I can play with friends via push. Feb 07 20:38:24 But I want to make my apps rock solid and very pleasing to the customerd Feb 07 20:38:34 Will do :P Feb 07 20:38:45 have you done any iphone dev? Feb 07 20:38:46 Battleship is about half written Feb 07 20:38:50 I haven't Feb 07 20:39:02 I have a friend that is going to port my apps to iphone though Feb 07 20:39:07 And I'll be porting his apps to pre Feb 07 20:39:13 i think it would be pretty key to have cross platform functionality for these "family game" multiplayer things Feb 07 20:39:30 knowing absolutely nothing about the infrastructure, it seems like it would be pretty slick to get to play Pre vs iPhone Feb 07 20:39:53 Global stat tracking on which platform is winning most often... ya know, flamewars :D Feb 07 20:40:11 just ideas... i love charts and stats :> Feb 07 20:40:20 :P Feb 07 20:40:22 So do I :) Feb 07 20:40:49 I'm about a week into mobile dev so it'll take me a while to ramp up to support those kinds of things Feb 07 20:41:25 Thanks for the feedback and ideas, I'll see what I can do for ya :) Feb 07 20:41:33 Oh, feel free to rate my app :D Feb 07 20:41:47 Trying to get my head above the 4.0 rating mark Feb 07 20:42:13 bbl Feb 07 20:42:26 if i didn't have 0 star reviews i would be over 4.0 Feb 07 20:43:22 and those are mostly "can't install app" Feb 07 20:43:28 above 4.0 is tough. gonna have to be in the radiotime/slacker awesomeness factor Feb 07 20:44:03 dylanmei: Glad you like my app Feb 07 20:44:21 swisstomcat: chuq will delete those reviews Feb 07 20:44:25 the "cant install" ones Feb 07 20:44:26 i hope so Feb 07 20:44:32 ask him Feb 07 20:44:35 got 20% 0 star reviews Feb 07 20:44:37 when he gets on Feb 07 20:44:53 :) Feb 07 20:45:16 42% are 5 star reviews Feb 07 20:45:20 where do 0% stars come from? i don't see them on cyrket though apparently i got 4% Feb 07 20:45:23 20% 4 star Feb 07 20:45:28 crap, didn't mean to close it, what did i miss Feb 07 20:45:52 i see em in cyrket Feb 07 20:46:31 0 star reviews come from two types of people. Those who can't install the app, and idiots. Feb 07 20:46:40 oh i see it. looks like just one. too bad, they wrote a nice constructive comment then bonked me with a zero star. what a jerk. Feb 07 20:47:51 i heard that "report a problem" in the app catalog menu actually ends up as a review? Feb 07 20:49:59 too bad i can't test it "error sending report, try again later" Feb 07 20:50:55 I can't review apps either Feb 07 21:03:31 well that explains things Feb 07 21:04:19 i dont have any reviews after 25 paid downloads. You mean you cant review apps in the app cat correct? Feb 07 21:04:47 25 paid downloads today? Feb 07 21:49:20 wow Feb 07 21:49:27 9808 downloads of moo already Feb 07 21:49:38 ggrr, the only bad review for my app are people comparing it to the iphone app, which has a 2 year head start on me Feb 07 21:49:53 hey codeslaw Feb 07 21:49:56 swisstomcat: when did you launch? Feb 07 21:50:03 which app? Feb 07 21:50:07 january 28th Feb 07 21:50:13 codeslaw, Feb 07 21:50:21 codeslaw: palm will probably delete those bad reviews Feb 07 21:50:29 paintr lite is mine, compared to Brushes for iPhone Feb 07 21:50:48 can't believe 1800 downloads on one day .. crazy Feb 07 21:51:06 i'm not too worried, they don't seem to affect my rating Feb 07 21:51:16 swisstomcat: free? Feb 07 21:51:20 i hope you don't have 0 star reviews of "can't install app" Feb 07 21:51:28 codeslaw: yeah Feb 07 21:51:39 http://www.cyrket.com/p/palm/com.inorbit.moo/ Feb 07 21:51:40 don't have any "can't installs" luckily Feb 07 21:51:49 i get a lot of them :( Feb 07 21:52:01 20% of the reviews are 0 stars, can't install Feb 07 21:52:25 they should add a review rating system Feb 07 21:52:40 so people can vote out reviews Feb 07 21:52:49 like 'this review was helpful' Feb 07 21:53:06 there's discussion about all this on the palm developer forums Feb 07 21:53:12 or 'like | dislike' Feb 07 21:53:36 why can people even do a review if they can't even install the app? Feb 07 21:53:37 yes, it's needed Feb 07 21:53:49 cause they purchased or downloaded the app Feb 07 21:54:14 so i havent been on lately, so whats the latest on that haiti app? Feb 07 21:55:00 I'm sure it's going gangbusters Feb 07 22:01:07 precentral is ridiculous Feb 07 22:01:14 ? Feb 07 22:01:15 why? Feb 07 22:01:19 To be able to post links or images your post count must be 10 or greater. Feb 07 22:01:25 i'm trying to convey information ffs Feb 07 22:01:26 so be more active Feb 07 22:01:40 should be pretty easy to get over the 10 post limit Feb 07 22:01:55 yeah by doing exactly what they don't want me to do, spamming Feb 07 22:02:29 make some helpful comments on some posts Feb 07 22:03:46 nor have they replied to my request for developer accesss. i just don'have been having a disappointing experience. Feb 07 22:04:52 okay. 10 useful posts, here i come.... Feb 07 22:06:04 it usually takes a bit of time until you're approved .. had the same waiting :) Feb 07 22:06:21 4 days? Feb 07 22:06:30 probably Feb 07 22:06:42 more than 2 afaik Feb 07 22:07:16 heh Feb 07 22:07:21 ive got a couple hundred posts on precentral Feb 07 22:07:27 and i see cant see images/links in signatures Feb 07 22:07:30 never did figure that out Feb 07 22:08:00 it's just so uptight. Feb 07 22:08:00 dylanmei: actually, i just see that i made another request after not hearing anything .. that one got answered in one day Feb 07 22:08:37 very few actual coding threads in web OS development... Feb 07 22:08:53 how long does it take palm to review updates to applications? they approved it originally in like 8 hours, and now the update had been in review for 3 days Feb 07 22:09:13 i jus went through that -- 2.5 days as of this week. Feb 07 22:09:41 others have had it longer this week i've heard Feb 07 22:10:14 i usually follow irc instead of the developer forum Feb 07 22:11:59 hmm hopefully they finish soon. At least its not as bad as apple. I've had an application in for review with them for over a week and it's still in review. Feb 07 22:12:25 it might make a difference that you're waiting through a weekend. Feb 07 22:13:30 yeah I thought about that, though I originally submitted the application on a sunday during the day and it was published by that night Feb 07 22:13:52 same here. publishing is dangerously quick. Feb 07 22:27:40 time for bed, goodnight Feb 07 23:02:45 hi all! Feb 07 23:03:18 what up JenP? Feb 07 23:03:26 hi haeffb! Feb 07 23:03:33 i'm hyper! Feb 07 23:03:57 got up early...did chores...did home work...all that's left is to watch the game and eat pizza Feb 07 23:05:03 sounds like a good day Feb 07 23:06:34 it's gonna be a perfect day. How are you? Feb 07 23:08:47 good. submitted Myles to app catalog today Feb 07 23:08:58 got a new web host. Feb 07 23:09:15 http://www.tigercountrysoftware.com/ site needs a bit of work yet. Feb 07 23:09:37 congrats! did you decide to charge? Feb 07 23:10:08 smiles...yeah site needs a little work. Very minamalistic Feb 07 23:15:22 $1.23 Feb 07 23:17:04 perfect Feb 07 23:21:09 congrats haeffb Feb 07 23:22:26 hi Bmyers Feb 07 23:24:22 Hi JenP Feb 07 23:24:39 haeffb: hehe Feb 07 23:24:41 how ya doing? Feb 07 23:25:00 doing ok.. been busy with projects Feb 07 23:25:07 how 'bout u? Feb 07 23:25:13 great! Feb 07 23:26:56 that good really? Feb 07 23:27:20 yup...got all my 'have-tos' done...and now i can just play Feb 07 23:27:35 u can come out and play now? Feb 07 23:27:43 lol yup Feb 07 23:27:50 and i won't get grounded! Feb 07 23:29:14 good for you.. Feb 07 23:29:25 i'm still catching up here. Feb 07 23:29:32 smiles...what kind of projects are you working on? Feb 07 23:29:50 you know. working for my pig headed boss... Feb 07 23:29:55 makes me work weekends.. Feb 07 23:30:02 oh yeah i hear that guys a jerk Feb 07 23:30:14 i'm just saying.. Feb 07 23:30:21 lol Feb 07 23:32:55 what kinda stuff r u working on these days? Feb 07 23:34:49 oh i've got my amortization table working in debt free, new graphics to add to tasty toons...and i want to redo an app i've seen in the catalog that's just lame Feb 07 23:35:00 i'm just not sure how to go about doing it Feb 07 23:35:24 is wasnt mine was it? Feb 07 23:35:31 lol no never Feb 07 23:35:43 you know that "spell well" or spell right... Feb 07 23:35:57 i love stuff like that, but the app isn't done well Feb 07 23:36:22 havent seen it Feb 07 23:36:36 Is there a way to push two scenes and swap between them without effecting their states? Feb 07 23:36:40 i went to the about/help and it just gives a drop down with an "email me" dialog Feb 07 23:36:53 doesn't even link to the address so you can do so easily Feb 07 23:42:01 scottb: you can AppController.getStageController('myscene').activate() Feb 07 23:42:11 Ah nice :D Feb 07 23:42:13 Thanks :) Feb 07 23:44:33 but to know the scene's name you have to use an AppAssistant and launch your scenes manually Feb 07 23:45:15 this might help http://www.webos101.com/Multi-Stage_Applications Feb 07 23:50:59 hey guys you know how palm generates the help card now Feb 07 23:51:23 is there any way we can modify the layout? Feb 07 23:57:26 JenP: haven't looked. Feb 07 23:58:56 i've got an errant image that just wants to play in that scene Feb 08 00:00:53 roll your own help scene Feb 08 00:01:08 yeah think that's the way i'm gonna have to go... Feb 08 00:01:29 just figured it out...the background image and the default header are duking it out... Feb 08 00:05:19 it has other issues Feb 08 00:05:33 if your app name has a & in it, it breaks the support email Feb 08 00:05:52 oh not good Feb 08 00:06:05 since it calls the email app vial mailto:email@address?subject=appname support Feb 08 00:06:18 the email app just gets part of the subject Feb 08 00:06:31 since it sees & and figures theres another var Feb 08 00:06:43 yup Feb 08 00:06:49 so subject=swap & drop support turned into Subject: Swap Feb 08 00:07:14 simple fix is to escape the subject before making the url, but seems less important ;p Feb 08 00:07:37 just grab the Support App sample from the SDK Feb 08 00:08:45 thanks Feb 08 00:09:01 its what the builtin support scene is Feb 08 00:09:12 you just have to edit a support_info.js Feb 08 00:09:15 and its pretty automatic Feb 08 00:11:19 and it's in Myles, if you still have that code Feb 08 00:11:30 should i'll look it up Feb 08 00:31:10 what's the appredirect link? Feb 08 00:40:06 what do i need to do to get my help menu over-ride palms? Feb 08 00:46:21 JenP: not watching the superbowl? I thought all Americans were glued to the TV on this day ... Feb 08 00:46:38 got distracted by a help scene acting up Feb 08 00:47:56 So we have French and German language support now for Preware - what's the next language we should add? Feb 08 00:48:17 hmm...is it available in Asia yet Feb 08 00:49:20 Only imported from elsewhere. Feb 08 00:49:29 Apparently Preware is big in China though. Feb 08 00:49:47 oh that's awesome Feb 08 00:50:24 rwhit, wasn't "install this patch without prompting me to hit OK cause you know I won't look at it" support built into the package manager service awhile back? Feb 08 00:55:51 rwhitby, Feb 08 00:55:54 Ahh, got it working now Feb 08 00:56:01 stupid tab complete. Feb 08 00:57:53 FuMan: if the patch is signed, preware won't prompt. Feb 08 00:58:22 is that not working as expected for you? Feb 08 00:58:54 hrm, then ive never installed a signed patch. Feb 08 00:59:08 ill try another right now Feb 08 00:59:52 Does preware indicate signage somewhere? Feb 08 01:01:10 well poop, now it just worked Feb 08 01:01:15 How long has it been doing that? Feb 08 01:06:57 The Who is old. Feb 08 01:24:48 they are so old 2 of 'em are dead.. Feb 08 01:28:20 still some of the best rock songs of all time, tho Feb 08 01:36:46 komodo is stupid. Feb 08 01:38:09 eclipse knows a .png is an image. komodo loads it into a text editor. Feb 08 01:41:14 hi all Feb 08 01:47:38 welcome back kotter Feb 08 01:48:09 milka-what? Feb 08 02:14:08 hi all Feb 08 02:14:33 how was the range? Feb 08 02:21:58 I have developed a flinch. Feb 08 02:22:48 about half my shots are grouped in a 3" circle on target at 10 yards, and about half are anywhere between that, and the 7 o'clock position ranging out some six inches. Feb 08 02:23:19 it's very annoying. Feb 08 02:24:14 3 magazines later, the range owner said "go home and dry fire the gun 1000 times, and come back next weekend. Feb 08 02:35:38 what you shooting? Feb 08 02:37:15 rick! Feb 08 02:48:52 anyone notice the image on the My Apps filler page, reads 'Rockin It' and 'Rollin It' for app Status ? Feb 08 02:48:58 Glock 19. Feb 08 02:49:02 Hi JenP Feb 08 02:49:20 hello! Saints won!?!?! Feb 08 02:49:29 heh and all the apps have the same package name 'com.pandoraplus13.ipk' Feb 08 02:49:30 won what? :) Feb 08 02:49:49 :-p Feb 08 02:51:32 * haeffb has ccw in MO Feb 08 02:51:39 ruger LCP Feb 08 02:52:03 what's ccw? Feb 08 02:53:38 ccw is a license to carry a concealed weapon Feb 08 02:54:05 rather Concealed Carry Weapon Feb 08 02:55:05 in KS called a cch. Feb 08 02:55:29 oh gtk Feb 08 02:55:43 the thing that you californians aren't allowed to have. 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