**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 08 02:59:57 2010 Feb 08 03:00:33 http://www.sandiegorealestatehq.com/idx/single-family/090050272/details.html Feb 08 03:00:33 I spent a week in St. Lucia last January. You can live in a cardboard shack there. And enjoy it. Feb 08 03:01:01 they just dropped their price to 650K Feb 08 03:01:28 that's a nice place. Feb 08 03:01:39 for $175 we can go with 6 br 5 baths updated victorian in an upscale neighborhood, top schools in the city, unfinished full basement, 3 car garage, 3 fireplaces.... Feb 08 03:02:02 http://haeffb.com/listing-awesome-log-home-wland-2.html Feb 08 03:02:16 yeah....you all suck Feb 08 03:02:27 lot size: 318 acres. Feb 08 03:03:00 oh look a fixer upper http://www.sandiegorealestatehq.com/idx/single-family/100006531/details.html Feb 08 03:03:21 this one is about 500 yards from my house: http://haeffb.com/listing-cottage-on-acreage-6.html Feb 08 03:03:34 oh it's so cute Feb 08 03:04:40 bleh i need to move Feb 08 03:04:41 yeah, you could buy it and give me the acreage and still come out ahead. Feb 08 03:05:08 but remember, it's 60 miles to the nearest shoe store. Feb 08 03:05:18 that's what the internets for Feb 08 03:05:19 JenP try this one http://bit.ly/9gN08s Feb 08 03:05:30 but i would miss my nordstrom personal shoppers Feb 08 03:06:02 duplex, each side 2br 1 bath, always rented, essentially 0 mortgage payments.... $62.5 Feb 08 03:06:13 wow Feb 08 03:06:25 yeah i just looked at a place who wanted that much down Feb 08 03:06:33 right. Feb 08 03:06:45 Tell me again why you can't go freelance? Feb 08 03:06:58 smiles...2 years..and then i'm vested Feb 08 03:07:03 kk Feb 08 03:07:19 the nice thing about this job is i got in while they matched up to 10 % of what you put in Feb 08 03:10:03 So, out at the range this afternoon, a mom brought her 3 kids in... the youngest was _so_ wanting to show off. Feb 08 03:10:11 little sister just bought a 3 bedroom in LA 529K Feb 08 03:10:18 oh no Feb 08 03:11:19 she turned 9 and mom got her her first gun. Cricket "youth rifle" singe shot 22lr. Girl had matching pink shirt, pink hearing protection ear muffs and a barbie-pink rifle. :-) She was the queen of the range. Feb 08 03:11:41 rick-home: awesome Feb 08 03:11:55 too cute Feb 08 03:12:11 older brothers were _not_ happy about having to wait, they decided to wait out in the front room rather than watch sis shoot. :-) Feb 08 03:13:01 hehehe Feb 08 03:13:18 definitely kids are safer around guns if they're trained to use them at a young age. they may even prevent their friends from hurting themselves if said friend encounters one somewhere. Feb 08 03:14:06 yep Feb 08 03:14:17 kids all knew the eddie eagle rules dead on. Feb 08 03:16:14 http://www.corneredcat.com/Images4/S_teach_your_kids.jpg Feb 08 03:16:56 I also have to wonder if being taught such a serious responsibility helps them incorporate the gravity of esponsibility in general. something in a jefferson letter I read in school that I'm thinking of... Feb 08 03:17:13 nodnod Feb 08 03:17:56 training someone to be trustworthy requires that they be trusted. which requires actual responsibility. Feb 08 03:18:13 shhh...we don't use that word out here... Feb 08 03:18:34 we teach our kids..."there are no losers" Feb 08 03:18:42 seriously...t-ball everyone won Feb 08 03:18:50 responsibility is something somebody else is supposed to do isnt it? Feb 08 03:19:02 oh, actually, I agree with that to a certain extent. Feb 08 03:19:08 there is a time and place for keeping score Feb 08 03:19:12 and a time and place for having fun Feb 08 03:19:25 every sport rick....all of them...grade school Feb 08 03:19:28 they all win Feb 08 03:19:37 get little trophys and all Feb 08 03:19:42 well, as I said, there's a time and place for keeping score. Feb 08 03:19:44 um.... Feb 08 03:19:45 lol Feb 08 03:19:55 JenP: ouch. this all started with, it's not whether you win or lose... I think that got misunderstood somewhere. competition is important and we should strive for winning, but learn to enjoy the effort as much or more than the results Feb 08 03:19:56 kinda defeats the point of trying doesnt it? Feb 08 03:20:07 oh boss-undercover looks good Feb 08 03:20:51 swishy: exactly...hence the feeling of entitlement a lot of kids have Feb 08 03:21:19 JenP: and little appreciation for society in general Feb 08 03:21:26 the point is we should teach kids to win. after all, it's what we want them to do in life, right? just not "win at all costs" where the costs aren't even considered Feb 08 03:21:52 destinal: yes but you need to relise you have to work to achieve it Feb 08 03:21:54 I remember Mike williamson talking about when he and his wife took their daughter to the range the first time, and she was plinking cans. She sat there, and told the cans to dance. It was self scoring, if she did it right, the can's danced. If not, dirtcloud. No need for referees. Feb 08 03:22:00 destinal: not everything should be dished up on a plate Feb 08 03:22:27 idk i think we need to teach them how to lose gracefully...maybe with a little humility Feb 08 03:22:29 rick-home: hehe :) Feb 08 03:22:52 JenP: well, as a fallback position. primary goal should be to win gracefully Feb 08 03:22:53 :) Feb 08 03:22:55 JenP: its about giving your best even if you loose Feb 08 03:23:03 agreed all Feb 08 03:23:04 but then, my kids were both uber-competative. Feb 08 03:23:06 Still are. Feb 08 03:23:11 destinal: hehe Feb 08 03:23:13 that too Feb 08 03:23:54 the elder just turned down a job offer because it would be "too easy." Feb 08 03:24:06 rick that's awesome Feb 08 03:24:12 rick-home: nice Feb 08 03:24:13 :) Feb 08 03:24:13 well, within limits. Feb 08 03:24:35 if the only standard by which you are allowed to judge yourself is perfection, you're setting yourself up for a good bit of pain. Feb 08 03:24:39 rick-home: I guess it depends though as you have to start somewhere Feb 08 03:24:50 rick i agree. Feb 08 03:25:02 hello folks Feb 08 03:25:09 rick-home: right, a job with no challenge isn't satisfying, but something with constant insurmountable challenges can be crushing Feb 08 03:25:41 when she was in 2nd grade, and they had field day, and she and her brother came home with the 2nd place ribbon for the 3 legged race, we wanted to celebrate, she said "Celebrate what? 2nd place is first loser." at _9_ Feb 08 03:26:03 the other factor is you cant always expect to walk into a position thats challenging at the end of the day you should have to prove you are capable tf such too Feb 08 03:26:12 k guys gotta go...need to get everything ready for this work week. ttyl Feb 08 03:26:19 bye Max Feb 08 03:26:20 (obviously when entering the workforce im refering too) Feb 08 03:26:51 too many seem to think you can wander into a full on high paid position stright out of tec/uni Feb 08 03:27:06 well, she already _did_ that. :-) Feb 08 03:27:32 hehe Feb 08 03:27:40 nice position to be in then Feb 08 03:27:45 nodnod Feb 08 06:29:48 is there any sort of built in validation functions for textfields in the mojo sdk? closest I could find was Mojo.asssertMatch/Mojo.requireMatch, and pass in a regex to match against Feb 08 06:30:03 i just want to validate email addresses and things like that Feb 08 06:53:48 Why not just make your own function in JS Feb 08 06:53:57 its so easy Feb 08 07:04:02 Mojo.requireMatch(this.emailPattern, this.emailModel.value); Feb 08 07:04:06 seems to work ok Feb 08 07:04:51 have it in a try/catch, and display an alertdialog if the email is invalid Feb 08 07:41:13 So close to getting past the 4.0 rating on my beta app! Feb 08 07:45:11 48 hours 2773 downloads :) Feb 08 07:45:22 It's looking like this app will do well on the store! Feb 08 07:53:08 prototype js framework is included in the sdk, right? So to do an xhr post I just make a new Ajax.Request object? Feb 08 07:54:21 wait, no... Feb 08 07:54:41 how do I post some data to a web address?? Feb 08 07:56:45 Should work w/ with Ajax.Request Feb 08 08:12:21 How long does app approval usually take? Feb 08 11:28:15 in a list widget, can i display variable row height? Feb 08 11:42:59 anyone there? Feb 08 11:44:06 need help guys Feb 08 12:07:16 in a list widget, can i display variable row height? Feb 08 12:26:38 Can anyone recommend an email provider (webmail) that isn't Google, Microsoft or Yahoo? Feb 08 12:32:58 hi everyone Feb 08 12:33:40 hi Feb 08 12:33:43 in a list widget, can i display variable row height? Feb 08 12:41:23 I just made an appliaction in which the user can enter the fields of a record in text boxes and when he clicks on the save button the record gets saved..The primary key for my table is Id which has also auto increment property .So i dont want the user to enter the Id ,i would like to assign this Id to the user myself. Feb 08 12:41:35 So can anyone tell how to do this? Feb 08 12:49:22 in a list widget, can i display variable row height? Feb 08 14:17:05 dylanmei: as far as I'm concerned, 0 star ratings are a bug in the app catalog; if you go to leave a review and touch the rating widget you will be forced to leave a review from 1-5 stars, but if you /don't/ touch the rating widget it defaults to 0 and doesn't error out or anything saying "I'm sorry, you have to select a number of stars" Feb 08 16:25:14 dawm_: ping Feb 08 16:43:25 Does anyone know of a way to force a dashboard focus or dashboard maximize? Feb 08 16:43:59 If I open a dashboard panel, it starts minimized... is there a way to have it start open? Feb 08 16:44:03 nope Feb 08 16:44:07 good question tho. Feb 08 16:44:19 darn.... this is getting more and more complicated to figure out. Feb 08 16:44:34 And apparently there is no way to tell when a banner notification is ignored? Feb 08 16:44:47 the point being it's been ignored. Feb 08 16:44:50 As in, it pops up, but the user never clicks on it? Feb 08 16:45:10 you can tell when they DO something. but ifey dont do something then by definition there's nothing much to say.... Feb 08 16:45:22 Hmm... time to go try a popup. Feb 08 16:45:54 Do you know what happens if the phone is off/locked/etc when a popup comes up? Feb 08 16:45:56 If you want to FORCE a user to respond then an alert dialog makes more sense. Feb 08 16:46:15 well, if it's OFF, then your program isn't running. Feb 08 16:46:19 :) Feb 08 16:46:33 Doh, sorry. Its being called from an alarm Feb 08 16:46:35 I don't KNOW what happens if it's locked. Feb 08 16:46:39 with wakeup=true Feb 08 16:46:53 I'll play with it I guess. Thanks for the help. Feb 08 16:59:25 How tall is a dashboard notification? Feb 08 16:59:39 Probably a silly question, but a quick google-check didn't find me a pixel count. Feb 08 17:01:38 zinge: http://bit.ly/aljWF2 Feb 08 17:01:47 Screen Dimensions section Feb 08 17:02:21 Thanks. I was looking at the "Dashboard and Notifications" page, and not thinking that it would be under style/UI Feb 08 17:02:22 My bad. Feb 08 17:02:50 heh Feb 08 17:03:45 Does anyone know the default English (UK or US) font used in WebOS from the folder /usr/share/fonts ? Feb 08 17:04:18 (trying to replace the default font my Pre uses) Feb 08 17:06:27 kirbz: probably coconut Feb 08 17:07:55 thanks sugardave Feb 08 17:08:07 or prelude Feb 08 17:08:09 np Feb 08 17:08:21 prelude or coconut Feb 08 17:09:04 So... if I wanted to display Arabic fonts, could I just replace those files with a True Type Arabic font? Feb 08 17:09:39 that I don't know :D Feb 08 17:09:44 never tried it Feb 08 17:09:51 Well I'll let you know how it works out ;) Feb 08 17:09:57 coolnes Feb 08 17:10:00 +s Feb 08 17:12:30 kirbz -- you're going to want to use palms built in localization stuff. Feb 08 17:13:35 I've had a little play but doesn't seem to want to work Feb 08 17:27:55 Just realized it doesn't matter if I change the default font to Arabic, I still won't be able to view plain Arabic text in emails etc Feb 08 17:27:57 hmm. Feb 08 17:31:10 FYI, replacing the Coconut and Prelude fonts with a foreign TTF prevents the device from booting altogether xD Feb 08 17:31:31 heh Feb 08 17:31:32 * maik applause Feb 08 17:31:35 :D Feb 08 17:31:40 Thank God for USB mode. Feb 08 17:31:49 indeed Feb 08 17:33:57 awesome :D Feb 08 17:34:31 * sugardave will have to Feb 08 17:34:36 erg Feb 08 17:34:39 let's try again Feb 08 17:34:52 * sugardave will have to "forget" that tidbit the next time someone wants to change fonts. Feb 08 17:39:20 No need, sugardave, it actually worked after pulling the battery twice. WebOS looks weird in a funky font. I actually think the default fonts are beautiful so no need to change them. I'll wait for Palm to include a native Arabic support. Feb 08 17:54:05 anyone know where getWidgetSetup() is documented? Feb 08 17:56:57 chuqui: What do we do if we have a customer that can't delete our app, and we have walked them through every method we know of? Can we send them to some palm customer support? Feb 08 17:57:08 yes Feb 08 17:57:27 lyht that's something to go to customer suport. although at that point, it's probably webosdoctor time Feb 08 17:58:02 Sad for them. is there a preferred email or phone number to use? Feb 08 17:58:54 Rick_work: according to a post in the forums, it's 'private' and I can't find it documented anywhere Feb 08 17:59:40 Right. Feb 08 17:59:41 thanks Feb 08 17:59:49 setWidgetModel is public Feb 08 17:59:55 getWidgetModel is deprecated Feb 08 18:00:03 and sends you to getWidgetSetup Feb 08 18:00:15 which is undocumented. :( fail. Feb 08 18:00:19 weak Feb 08 18:05:10 sugardave this.$.widgetName.fetchModelProperty("value"); Feb 08 18:19:18 Anyone know what the magic keypad code is for generating and emailing phone logs? Feb 08 18:42:44 Templarian: ping Feb 08 18:43:03 [connection rejected by remote host] Feb 08 18:44:37 Hey, Templarian, any way in komodo I can import existing projects, and use the existing project folders without moving them into a src directory? Feb 08 18:44:57 Nope sadly not. Feb 08 18:45:14 It's an organization thing and it makes it easier for those using SVN. Feb 08 18:45:36 Sorry about that. Feb 08 18:45:59 except me... cause I already have all the projects organized and stored in my svn repo... so it will kinda be a pain to change them all for komodo Feb 08 18:46:15 :( Feb 08 18:46:46 Check out your project into the src foldeR? Feb 08 18:47:38 I was thinking I could do that, and it would only mean checking each project out seperately, rather than the entire repo all at once... not the end of the world Feb 08 18:47:43 Then when you compile you don't have the bin/build and bin/release being in the svn folder. Feb 08 18:48:24 that is stuff komodo generates? Feb 08 18:48:33 The addon does. Feb 08 18:48:39 I understand. Feb 08 18:48:56 Depending on your compile settings. It makes sense once you have been working for a bit. Feb 08 18:49:05 is flash out for the pre as yet? Feb 08 18:49:10 rolsworth: no Feb 08 18:49:16 1.4+some time Feb 08 18:49:29 End of february most likely. Feb 08 18:49:29 rolsworth: could be in feb... or march... Feb 08 18:49:58 we'll need 1.4 and then for adobe to release the app to the app catalog Feb 08 18:50:36 It is most likely going to be the same time, I doubt they would space it out. Feb 08 18:50:47 well, who know Feb 08 18:50:58 at ces they said it would be in the app catalog before 1.4 and it will be out soon. guess that was false Feb 08 18:51:03 since its not palm thats incharge of when flash is on the platform, not anymore Feb 08 18:51:27 rolsworth they did NOT say that it would be out before 1.4 Feb 08 18:51:33 I was there. They did not say that. Feb 08 18:51:40 yes they did Feb 08 18:51:51 they said the beata will be in tha app catalog soon Feb 08 18:52:04 yes, that is exactly what they said. Feb 08 18:52:06 then it will be out in 1.4 Feb 08 18:52:09 they did not define "soon" Feb 08 18:52:36 No one defines soon. Feb 08 18:58:29 good evening Feb 08 19:06:04 <_azdak> - are you the templarian of Kirupa fame? Feb 08 19:06:51 _azdak: I don't think I have much fame lol. Feb 08 19:07:11 <_azdak> well, you know.. haha Feb 08 19:08:48 I think i've been there a long time so my posts are everywhere in the archives. Feb 08 19:10:24 <_azdak> Yeah, I only dropped in every once and a while and def remember your handle Feb 08 19:21:49 hey adora Feb 08 19:21:58 swisstomcat: hi2u Feb 08 19:22:50 <_azdak> Has anybody around worked with the Audio object a lot? Feb 08 19:23:01 in one app, yes Feb 08 19:23:14 <_azdak> I'm having no end of trouble Feb 08 19:23:19 example? Feb 08 19:24:09 wohoo, over 10k downloads of moo :) Feb 08 19:24:21 lol Feb 08 19:24:34 <_azdak> Well- I make two audio objects, with their respective .src and .autoplay = false Feb 08 19:24:37 not bad for the first app i think :) Feb 08 19:24:46 do you need two objects? Feb 08 19:25:09 <_azdak> I tried passing a parameter to change the src of the object Feb 08 19:25:14 <_azdak> but the same thing happened Feb 08 19:25:21 usually, you can use one object and reuse it Feb 08 19:25:53 <_azdak> either way I tried it it was still just playing whatever .src was assigned first Feb 08 19:25:59 <_azdak> and not playing the second one Feb 08 19:26:05 let me check my code Feb 08 19:27:05 Hey Adora, you're not reviewing the new version of Manic 8 Ball are you? Feb 08 19:27:31 this.audioPlayer.src=null; this.audioPlayer.load(); should reset the audio object for a new src Feb 08 19:27:38 chuqui_napping -- wake up. Feb 08 19:27:55 * swisstomcat pokes chuqui_napping Feb 08 19:27:56 <_azdak> thanks- I'll give it a whirl Feb 08 19:28:12 i got 21% percent of 0 star reviews :( Feb 08 19:28:22 <_azdak> ouch Feb 08 19:28:25 <_azdak> which app? Feb 08 19:28:27 moo Feb 08 19:28:35 mostly not being able to install Feb 08 19:28:50 yawn.... stretch... Feb 08 19:28:57 how can you review if you can't even install the app? Feb 08 19:29:00 anyone scene fetchModelProperty anywhere except the ares tutorial? Feb 08 19:29:17 <_azdak> haha. right? Feb 08 19:29:42 rick, no Feb 08 19:29:46 also, if you use "report a problem" in the app catalog, i get "failed, try again later" Feb 08 19:30:03 swisstomcat: even though there was an install error, the catalog thinks you got it, and turns on the review button. Feb 08 19:30:06 It shouldn' Feb 08 19:30:08 chuq see pm Feb 08 19:30:09 t Feb 08 19:30:22 it knows the install failed... but there you go. Feb 08 19:30:22 lyht: no good Feb 08 19:30:30 I agree. Feb 08 19:31:00 i have 21% 0 star and 21% 4 star reviews .. and 42% 5 star Feb 08 19:31:12 oh no .. we chased him away Feb 08 19:31:36 every so often, I do something that just confuses the heck out of freenode. sigh. Feb 08 19:31:43 Oh, hi chuqui. Glad you are here rather than that chuq fellow. Feb 08 19:31:46 like waking up :) Feb 08 19:31:58 yeah... shouldn't type w/o my coffee Feb 08 19:32:28 already found out if the cyrtek guy is doing something bad to get the app reviews? Feb 08 19:40:29 it's on the list to investigate. My guess is he's actually eating the data being sent to the phone, not the RSS feeds. Feb 08 19:40:42 it's very helpful Feb 08 19:40:45 for me Feb 08 19:40:57 and if so, he's not doing anything "wrong" that I can think of. Feb 08 19:41:20 glad to hear that Feb 08 19:42:02 i appreciate palm's openness with the app store Feb 08 19:42:58 after all the complaining about the 0 star reviews i thought i made a positive statement too :) Feb 08 19:43:37 swisstomcat: what is the link to the cyrtek info? I haven't seen that one yet. Feb 08 19:43:59 http://www.cyrket.com/m/palm/ Feb 08 19:44:20 it also has android app store data .. good to compare Feb 08 19:45:00 by the same guy who does cydia for the iphone Feb 08 19:45:18 saurik Feb 08 19:45:22 (Jay) Feb 08 19:45:33 jay freeman Feb 08 19:45:38 cool stuf Feb 08 19:45:41 * saurik (is here, btw) Feb 08 19:45:53 * swisstomcat claps Feb 08 19:45:55 but not reading unless we mention you. :-) Feb 08 19:45:59 hehe Feb 08 19:46:04 hi everyone Feb 08 19:46:11 welcome and good job, saurik Feb 08 19:46:28 I just made an appliaction in which the user can enter the fields of a record in text boxes and when he clicks on the save button the record gets saved..The primary key for my table is Id which has also auto increment property .So i dont want the user to enter the Id ,i would like to assign this Id to the user myself. Feb 08 19:46:31 i did not know that you could view the palm app reviews on the web until i saw your site in my weblog Feb 08 19:46:33 swisstomcat: thanks; I should have windows mobile working in the next couple hours Feb 08 19:46:44 swisstomcat: yeah; android has the same problem :( Feb 08 19:46:44 So can anyone tell how to do this? Feb 08 19:46:56 how to do what? Feb 08 19:47:45 yatharth: insert the new record and then get the just inserted id in a new query Feb 08 19:47:51 when you do a sql insert just don't include the id field. Feb 08 19:48:08 select @@identity from table_x Feb 08 19:48:17 Yatharth: you can typically just set an auto-increment field manually and it won't auto-increment Feb 08 19:48:28 don't know if it's this exact syntax in sql-lite Feb 08 19:48:43 (auto-increment is something that comes into play as the default value of the field if not set) Feb 08 19:49:02 saurik: one question: how do you calculate the review average? with or without the 0 star reviews? Feb 08 19:49:24 swisstomcat: I display the average as it is in the feed; I do not calculate it Feb 08 19:49:35 i see Feb 08 19:49:46 swisstomcat: I have not spent the time to try to figure out how palm calculates it Feb 08 19:49:51 any change you could calculate it without the 0 star reviews? Feb 08 19:49:51 * saurik tries now Feb 08 19:50:34 you show the distribution of the values eg. 21% 0 star, 42% 5 star ... very helpful Feb 08 19:51:38 ok, I'm nearly 100% certain that palm is including the 0 star ratings in the average Feb 08 19:51:53 yeah, that's the bad thing Feb 08 19:51:55 as I said earlier in the morning: Feb 08 19:52:12 saurik the distribution display is pretty cool Feb 08 19:52:18 dylanmei: as far as I'm concerned, 0 star ratings are a bug in the app catalog; if you go to leave a review and touch the rating widget you will be forced to leave a review from 1-5 stars, but if you /don't/ touch the rating widget it defaults to 0 and doesn't error out or anything saying "I'm sorry, you have to select a number of stars" Feb 08 19:52:38 kmudrick: thanks; I'm going to be doing a lot more data anlysis Feb 08 19:52:52 What will be th syntax for insert query if i dont enter the id and i want it to be auto generated Feb 08 19:53:09 it would be cool to leave out the 0 star reviews until the bug is fixed Feb 08 19:53:29 yatharth: insert into table_x (a,b,c) values(1,2,3) Feb 08 19:53:30 Yatharth visit the sqlite homepage it's very good. Feb 08 19:53:38 but what he said. Feb 08 19:53:40 swisstomcat: well, the thing is, 0 star ratings do correlate with horrible comments, so the users who are submitting 0 star ratings arguablly intended it, its just a bug in teh app catalog that they were able to put them in Feb 08 19:53:53 CREATE TABLE IF NOT EXISTS 'donor1' (id INTEGER PRIMARY KEY AUTOINCREMENT,name TEXT,address TEXT,contact_no DOUBLE) Feb 08 19:54:04 (and the app catalog people may choose to disagree with me that it is a bug anyway) Feb 08 19:54:17 this is the query which i am using for create table Feb 08 19:54:24 saurik: most 0 star reviews at the moment are "can't install the app" style Feb 08 19:54:54 there's a lot of ongoing discussion about this problem Feb 08 19:55:14 it's a bug imho that you can make a review if you can't even install the app Feb 08 19:55:22 swisstomcat:now if i am just inserting name,address and phone number myself and want the id to be generated itself then what will be the syntax Feb 08 19:55:36 it would be cool if you could see the palm average and the calculated average until the bugs are fixed (if possible) Feb 08 19:55:37 I've already seen that page for sqlite Feb 08 19:55:55 or if you could choose how to calcuate the average Feb 08 19:56:39 yatharth: inserto into donor1 (name,address,contact_no) values ('bla','somewhere','123') Feb 08 19:56:50 but that's really sql basics Feb 08 19:57:08 you should read a few sql basic tutorials .. that will help you understand Feb 08 19:57:17 But it dint help Feb 08 19:57:33 not even sqllite specific ones Feb 08 19:57:42 i entered that only Feb 08 19:57:45 sql in general .. how to insert,update,delete Feb 08 19:58:14 error: Could not insert record: table donor1 has 4 columns but 3 values were supplied Feb 08 19:58:28 the foolowing error was there in the log Feb 08 19:58:46 can you show your code you used? Feb 08 19:59:03 kk Feb 08 19:59:16 i'll paste it in pastie Feb 08 19:59:20 k Feb 08 20:00:24 http://pastie.org/815122 Feb 08 20:02:19 isn't it "insert into donor1 (name,address_contact_no) values(?,?,?)" ? Feb 08 20:02:32 Yatharth: you don't need to set autoincrement on a primary key....it will be automatic Feb 08 20:02:45 coming in late, haven't read everything yet Feb 08 20:03:08 kk Feb 08 20:03:29 does the pastie look ok to you, sugardave? Feb 08 20:03:46 hang on and I will ceck Feb 08 20:03:53 check, too Feb 08 20:04:21 Hi all, I'm having issues with automatically scrolling to the bottom of a list widget in a scene's activate function. I use revealItem and it almost works but doesn't quite reach the bottom. Anyone else doing this? Feb 08 20:06:09 looks alright...except I'm crazy with my binds and I put them on the success and failure handlers as well as the transaction Feb 08 20:06:15 what's happening? Feb 08 20:06:30 (08:58:14 PM) Yatharth: error: Could not insert record: table donor1 has 4 columns but 3 values were supplied Feb 08 20:06:44 then i said Feb 08 20:06:46 (09:02:18 PM) swisstomcat: isn't it "insert into donor1 (name,address_contact_no) values(?,?,?)" ? Feb 08 20:07:06 swisstomcat: http://www.cyrket.com/p/palm/com.aquaeagle.absolutefitness/ <- under the rating I now have an "ignoring 0's" value if I know of any 0 ratings Feb 08 20:07:52 saurik: cool .. great stuff Feb 08 20:08:11 http://www.cyrket.com/p/palm/com.inorbit.moo/ Feb 08 20:08:24 swisstomcat: ah, yes..missed the bad sql syntax, yours is correct Feb 08 20:08:35 (hit reload if you aren't seeing new data: I have a 15 minute cache set on these pages) Feb 08 20:08:41 gazzariggafriggamuttafuggarummbafraznatstaion Feb 08 20:08:51 huh? Feb 08 20:08:58 Yatharth: your sql needs to be "INSERT INTO table_name (colname, colname, colname) VALUES (?,?,?) Feb 08 20:08:59 saurik: working great Feb 08 20:09:07 ok Feb 08 20:09:29 saurik: i'm advertising cyrket where i can Feb 08 20:09:41 this.$.someIntegerPicker.fetchModelProperty("value") returns "hint 20" instead of 20. :( Feb 08 20:09:42 saurik: are you the cyrket guy? Feb 08 20:09:57 sugardave: yours truly Feb 08 20:10:07 saurik: excellent work, thanks! Feb 08 20:10:42 saurik: how did you get from iphone to android to palm? something i wondered :) Feb 08 20:10:43 do you know something we don't know re: "Software Libraries"? Feb 08 20:11:05 sugardave: the category display in cyrket sucks right now; it will get better soon Feb 08 20:11:10 Software Libraries is a category from Android land Feb 08 20:11:24 yeah, I figured....but it made me want one for Palm, too :D Feb 08 20:11:42 it just got even worse as I just finished merging in a bunch of categories from windows mobile; I'm going to make it filter categories from the various displays when switching to that category would show 0 packages Feb 08 20:11:43 i assume you don't get the language of the review from palm? Feb 08 20:12:04 because they're all american, even the german ones Feb 08 20:12:26 sugardave: moo broke the 10k download barrier :) Feb 08 20:12:30 swisstomcat: I think the german ones you are seeing are people typing german into their english phone Feb 08 20:12:44 swisstomcat: awesome, congrats Feb 08 20:12:44 swisstomcat: I could, however, be wrong about that Feb 08 20:12:57 thanks, sugardave Feb 08 20:13:08 saurik: i have a german phone if you want me to help Feb 08 20:13:31 swisstomcat: do you see different/german comments on your phone? Feb 08 20:13:45 let me check Feb 08 20:14:15 why the hell would it do that? Feb 08 20:14:31 clicking the english flags in cyrket should still translate the comment to english if it is in german even if I don't knwo it is in german: google's ajax translate api auto-detects Feb 08 20:15:05 Rick_work: google segments comments by language family; the (slightly correct but still wrong) argument is that people who speak language A get frustrated if half the comments are in language B Feb 08 20:15:10 Rick_work: (on android) Feb 08 20:15:38 saurik: i see the same reviews on my phone .. just check a few Feb 08 20:15:41 german and english mixed Feb 08 20:15:43 Rick_work: the problem, of course, is that many people speak more than one language, and you can't select more than one language, so people in france can't see english comments on android (And therefore use cyrket) Feb 08 20:16:00 saurik -- I wasn't talking about your thing. I was talking about fetchModelProperty being broken for integer picker widgets in mojo Feb 08 20:18:01 saurik: in that case android gives you the language of the review and i assume palm does not? Feb 08 20:19:53 swisstomcat: actually, the way it works on android is that you make requests in specific languages Feb 08 20:20:06 <_azdak> - thanks for the Audio tip. works like a charm now (well- a sorta slow, laggy charm) Feb 08 20:20:19 swisstomcat: I /assumed/ that on palm different carriers would have different default languages Feb 08 20:20:54 azdak: i heard that 1.4 will have audio improvments Feb 08 20:21:52 saurik: that's probably correct .. o2 germany for example .. but what data do you actually get from palm? Feb 08 20:22:12 saurik: I was just checking out your site. Nice work. My beta app is listed but there's nothing to indicate it's beta though. Makes it look like it's just another free app. Feb 08 20:24:03 Jim462: oh, that's a good point; I had forgotten to think about that; can you give me a URL? I'll work on the "this is beta" thing now Feb 08 20:24:19 swisstomcat: everything comes back "en_US" Feb 08 20:24:53 <_azdak> swisstomcat - Feb 08 20:25:48 saurik: http://www.cyrket.com/p/palm/com.jimmcgowen.arcalc/ Feb 08 20:26:00 saurik: it that the url you wanted? Feb 08 20:26:21 saurik: http://www.cyrket.com/p/palm/com.orbsix.app.manic8ballbeta/ Feb 08 20:26:24 is another one. Feb 08 20:26:37 (Although I have "Beta" in the title) Feb 08 20:28:57 not a really big deal because it's show them that it beta when they go to install it on the device. Feb 08 20:30:01 saurik: probably a problem on the palm side then if everything is en_US Feb 08 20:30:14 So, anyone have experience using revealItem on a list? Feb 08 20:30:29 saurik: another beta: http://www.cyrket.com/p/palm/com.inorbit.fahrplan/ Feb 08 20:37:41 Jim462: no, I used revealTop once Feb 08 20:37:46 once Feb 08 20:38:30 well, I'm an idiot. Feb 08 20:38:47 it was my code, not palms that was broken, as is usually the case. Feb 08 20:39:05 Oh well, at lease I deleted the forum post before anyone responded to it telling me I'm an idiot. Feb 08 20:39:05 thanx sugardave and swisstomcat.It worked:) Feb 08 20:40:02 hey can anyone tell me is it possible to use 'like' in select query ? Feb 08 20:41:28 yatharth: good to hear :) Feb 08 20:41:52 yatharth: select a,b,c from table_x where a like '%bla%' Feb 08 20:42:08 but it is not working Feb 08 20:42:13 Yatharth: LIKE is supposed to be supported but I haven't tried it....do you know how to use sqlite3? Feb 08 20:42:14 i used this only Feb 08 20:42:24 in sqlite it works Feb 08 20:42:28 ah Feb 08 20:42:29 okay Feb 08 20:42:40 but in palm webod it was showing error Feb 08 20:43:08 like works in webos Feb 08 20:54:03 Rich_work:can you please tell me the syntax of doing so? Feb 08 20:55:00 yatharth: my example doesn't work? Feb 08 20:55:42 no it wasn't working Feb 08 20:55:51 let me try running once again Feb 08 20:56:00 can you pastie the code again and the errors you get? Feb 08 20:57:46 kk Feb 08 20:57:49 wait Feb 08 21:02:27 hallo noaxess Feb 08 21:02:49 hey swisstomcat Feb 08 21:02:56 what's up? Feb 08 21:04:27 noaxess: moo downloads went over 10000 today :) Feb 08 21:08:06 Rehi Feb 08 21:08:39 swisstomcat: Error was near "like": syntax error (Code 1).This was the error which it was showing Feb 08 21:09:02 it's probably best if you post the code Feb 08 21:09:11 just the sql-statement Feb 08 21:10:05 k Feb 08 21:15:12 anyone mess with the logs generated with ##logs#? Feb 08 21:15:24 mess in what way? Feb 08 21:15:40 figure out how to open them? Feb 08 21:15:52 swisstomcat:Is it fine?Or should i paste the whole code? Feb 08 21:16:09 probably fine .. just the sql-statement Feb 08 21:16:16 ok Feb 08 21:17:08 Yatharth: does your data have " or ' in it? Feb 08 21:18:14 I am really hoping to be able to figure out what is going wrong with my app sometimes out in the wild. So I sent the instructions to generate the logs and email them to me with ##logs#. Not realizing I may not be able to open them :P Feb 08 21:18:27 heh Feb 08 21:18:34 never messed with them so far Feb 08 21:18:35 lyht: what is it? Feb 08 21:18:39 ##logs##? Feb 08 21:18:47 I think it is /var/log/messages Feb 08 21:18:53 tarballed Feb 08 21:18:59 and encrypted. Feb 08 21:19:03 eek Feb 08 21:19:04 I mean how do you use it? Feb 08 21:19:13 never heard of it Feb 08 21:19:24 open your dial pad app, type in ##5647# Feb 08 21:19:34 ooooohhhhhh Feb 08 21:19:37 and hacktrocity ensues. Feb 08 21:19:43 nifty Feb 08 21:20:11 * sugardave will try it when he gets back updstairs. Feb 08 21:20:14 sugardave:i dint get what you asked? Feb 08 21:20:48 Yatharth: the data you are trying to match in the database....does it contain " or ' characters? Feb 08 21:21:19 yatharth: please post the code so we can check Feb 08 21:21:27 ok Feb 08 21:22:07 http://pastie.org/815245 Feb 08 21:23:00 actually i am doing the search on the basis of id , name and address Feb 08 21:23:31 So my scene has 3 text boxes in which the user enters these values Feb 08 21:23:41 Yatharth: syntax error on line 35 Feb 08 21:24:11 and I think I have troubles using 'name' as a column Feb 08 21:24:24 I had to use 'nickname' for my recent project Feb 08 21:25:09 Yatharth: also syntax error on line 71 Feb 08 21:26:25 Ok Feb 08 21:26:32 but whats the error ? Feb 08 21:26:41 chuqui: If we have a log file generated by one of our clients and sent to us with the ##logs# code in the dial pad, we can't open it of course because it is encrypted. Any option for sending it to someone at palm to have it decrypted and the relevant log entries sent back? Feb 08 21:26:58 those are both sql syntax errors, you will see Feb 08 21:27:09 one is missing a where I think Feb 08 21:27:14 the other is missing a column name Feb 08 21:27:34 lyht darn good question. I don't know. Feb 08 21:27:44 toss me an email, I'll forward around and ask. Feb 08 21:27:55 chuqui: super. Thanks. Feb 08 21:31:08 [20100209-03:00:16.841720] info: Error was number of '?'s in statement string do Feb 08 21:31:08 es not match argument count (Code 1) Feb 08 21:31:21 now this is the error which it is showing Feb 08 21:35:23 You lot are nosy :P Feb 08 21:36:15 ##PreIRC is mainly for the non-tech guys who wanna chat Palm stuff without the complex discussions / code Feb 08 21:36:20 But yeah it's pretty dead :) Feb 08 21:40:55 hmm? dead? Feb 08 21:41:16 we are busy coding :) Feb 08 21:41:44 swisstomcat: I didn't mean this channel :P Feb 08 21:46:49 swisstomcat:do know the meaning of that error? Feb 08 21:47:15 not really Feb 08 21:47:22 ok Feb 08 21:47:25 thanx Feb 08 21:48:38 when i am replacing the like operator with = operator it works fine.But donno whats the problem with this syntax? Feb 08 21:49:47 what syntax? Feb 08 21:50:42 anyone know of a good php irc channel? Feb 08 21:51:06 Yatharth: what are you referring to? Feb 08 21:51:09 yeah #php Feb 08 21:51:17 agaudet_work:http://pastie.org/815245 Feb 08 21:51:22 Replacing == with =? Feb 08 21:51:25 altho its never been useful.. they always tell you to RTFM Feb 08 21:51:35 oh ok, php.net has no offical irc, but will try that Feb 08 21:52:06 Yatharth, use more ()'s Feb 08 21:52:09 Actually i want to use like operator in my select query Feb 08 21:52:19 but i am unable do to so Feb 08 21:52:28 if (($var == 1) && ($var2 == 1)) Feb 08 21:52:30 lonestar: need php help? Feb 08 21:52:52 dawn:i din get what you said. Feb 08 21:53:14 if(col1 == "" && col2 == "" && col3 == "") Feb 08 21:53:28 does anyone here have a pixi? Feb 08 21:53:36 should be Feb 08 21:53:36 if((col1 == "") && (col2 == "") && (col3 == "") Feb 08 21:53:36 ) Feb 08 21:53:43 i think i decrypted the ##logs# file, but i don't know what format the end result is in Feb 08 21:53:56 dawm why? Feb 08 21:54:03 it's fine without parens Feb 08 21:54:05 its cleaner Feb 08 21:54:11 his question is the sql Feb 08 21:54:23 == is not a valid operator in SQL Feb 08 21:54:34 yes it works, but its sloppy Feb 08 21:54:41 I disagree that it's cleaner though Feb 08 21:54:44 dawn_:But i dont think the problem is with that.Because when i am using = intead of like its working fine. Feb 08 21:54:57 = is valid. Feb 08 21:55:04 Ive never heard of using 'like' before Feb 08 21:55:08 night everyone Feb 08 21:55:32 ah nevermin, I see it now Feb 08 21:56:32 Yatharth: but you said you can copy and paste each of those queries that are in your code into sqlite3 and they work with real data? Feb 08 21:56:51 Yatharth, is one specifically failing? or all Feb 08 21:57:41 the third is missing the where Feb 08 21:58:02 dawm_: yay, you are on...was wondering if you could spend some time with your logs and this wiki page: http://webos101.com/DeviceInfo Feb 08 21:58:26 sugardave, whatcha mean Feb 08 21:58:57 I have some unknown values in that page and you might be able to fill some of it in...not sure how much data your are logging Feb 08 21:59:09 im not logging all of that Feb 08 21:59:23 but the Plus versions dont claim they're Plus Feb 08 21:59:31 damn_:the error in coming in all Feb 08 21:59:33 atleast in modelNameAscii Feb 08 21:59:50 okay Feb 08 21:59:50 sugardave:yes they are wotking fine in sqlite Feb 08 21:59:55 i log modelNameAscii, platformVersion Feb 08 22:00:15 right on, thanks Feb 08 22:00:29 in the next update im gonna log modelName just to see if its different Feb 08 22:00:39 and possibly carrierName Feb 08 22:00:56 i just dont want to tweak too much of the code and somethign break Feb 08 22:01:12 hehe, no...surely you can't be serious?! Feb 08 22:01:13 i should have just logged that entire object and then sorted out what i didnt want to save on the server end rather then in the app code Feb 08 22:01:28 which is what ill do Feb 08 22:01:40 my log is getting obscenely large so i have to rework that anyways ;p Feb 08 22:02:01 Adora: do you have the pixi? And just for fun, how many phones do you have that you use for your testing, anyway? Feb 08 22:02:34 dawm_: I'm thinking of doing exactly that the next time I feel like updating Feb 08 22:02:56 it sucks when ever i start to get motivated its always just before a trip out of town, where i wont be on the computer much Feb 08 22:03:07 like now, going out of town wednesday heh Feb 08 22:05:27 so I'm starting development on my next app and it's going to be in a "Right" orientation. is there any way to set up the emulator to be like that (480x320 instead of 320x480)? Feb 08 22:06:13 yeh Feb 08 22:06:42 not visually Feb 08 22:06:54 you'll have to spin your monitor Feb 08 22:06:55 so I'm going to have to work on my app with my head cocked sideways. m(_ _)m Feb 08 22:07:01 yep Feb 08 22:07:02 hahaha. Feb 08 22:07:07 crap. Feb 08 22:07:09 :/ Feb 08 22:07:27 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1744&Itemid=58#Emulator-AccelerometerEvents Feb 08 22:07:50 F8 should throw it in the 'Right' orientation Feb 08 22:07:54 dawm: yeah, I had that Feb 08 22:08:02 but that doesn't change the actual virtualbox window. Feb 08 22:08:27 depending on yoru video card you could rotate the display Feb 08 22:08:33 but not specific apps Feb 08 22:08:47 I wonder if there is some OS software that can handle window rotation Feb 08 22:08:51 that would be pretty sweet Feb 08 22:09:13 or even an app that just mirrors a application window rotated Feb 08 22:09:22 sorta like Magnifier Feb 08 22:09:30 yeah Feb 08 22:09:39 Rotate'ifer Feb 08 22:11:17 that'd be pretty sweet. Feb 08 22:12:26 also pressing F8 isn't doing anything argh why. Feb 08 22:12:39 I think it just triggers the rotation event Feb 08 22:12:44 so you can test rotation. Feb 08 22:12:46 im sure theres something for linux that does it, they're all cutting edge over there Feb 08 22:12:49 which is not what I'm doing. Feb 08 22:12:51 do you have the newest sdk? Feb 08 22:12:55 cause it worked when i was testing Feb 08 22:13:05 Note that the orientation keys will only be active if Window Orientation has been set to "free". Feb 08 22:13:12 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1872&Itemid=244#.setWindowOrientation Feb 08 22:13:28 ah, okay -- it wasn't set to free, but I'm purposely not setting it to free^^ Feb 08 22:14:55 set it to right Feb 08 22:15:27 maybe it will render that way Feb 08 22:15:46 it does! Feb 08 22:15:53 problem solved ;p Feb 08 22:15:54 but what I wanted was for the emulator itself to rotate, which it does not ;) Feb 08 22:15:57 hahaha Feb 08 22:16:32 yah, sadly Feb 08 22:19:17 Hey, can someone help me with a problem... No matter what I do, I cant get a drawer to work, and ive copy and pasted my own code from different scenes that work fine. I think there is something in my file that is messing it... can anyone see why the drawer doesn't work? Feb 08 22:19:17 http://webos.pastebin.com/m4d19790f Feb 08 22:22:25 Any ideas? Feb 08 22:22:56 Tibfib: yes Feb 08 22:23:08 Mind sharing em? hah Feb 08 22:24:01 wait, let me look again before I say something dumb Feb 08 22:24:37 Everything else has worked so far, but if I try and add a drawer (copying from my code or PALMs examples) it doesn't work Feb 08 22:25:09 since you say this works in other code, this probably qualifies as dumb: why not pass the drawer element as a parameter to the toggleDrawer function? Feb 08 22:25:40 I'm always leery of losing 'this' Feb 08 22:26:01 so I'd be worried that this.drawer was undefined in that function Feb 08 22:26:02 Its Palm's code... it works in the examples Feb 08 22:26:39 Alrighty I'll try that... but I don't think that's the problem Feb 08 22:26:54 yeah, you are probably right Feb 08 22:26:55 also Feb 08 22:26:57 Theres some variable overlap (same name) or something like that Feb 08 22:27:03 you can just do element.mojo.toggleState(); Feb 08 22:27:53 suggestion, unrelated to everything but it just ends up being easier to read in general even if it will be invalidated once Prototype is no longer included in the default package: use Class.create({}) instead of Class.prototype.xxx Feb 08 22:28:05 http://www.prototypejs.org/api/class/create Feb 08 22:28:44 Ah, yeah, I'll have to switch my code over to that format eventually Feb 08 22:28:45 I've noticed Class.create doesn't seem to work with custom dialog boxes(although I haven't checked in a while, that could've been another, unrelated problem) but it's soooo much easier to organize and handle Feb 08 22:29:57 <_azdak> hey yall- what are people using for performance testing? Feb 08 22:29:59 from a previous convsersation: dawm: where you trying to get the emu to rotate? Feb 08 22:30:07 were* Feb 08 22:30:44 _azdak: one mississippi, two mississippi.... Feb 08 22:30:46 :) Feb 08 22:30:50 <_azdak> haha Feb 08 22:30:52 <_azdak> right? Feb 08 22:30:53 Tibfib: what is 'rintro'? Feb 08 22:30:59 Its just an id Feb 08 22:31:25 but not the same as 'intro'? Feb 08 22:31:31 the 'r' is for results nope Feb 08 22:31:36 I need to cleanup that code Feb 08 22:31:41 the "search" function Feb 08 22:32:05 my naming convention is poor. Feb 08 22:32:11 Something I need to work on...lol Feb 08 22:32:22 <_azdak> I stay away from 'this' like the plague Feb 08 22:32:50 I try to... but when I get the code from Palm's examples, I leave it Feb 08 22:33:23 <_azdak> yeah, I wasn't thrilled that all the examples use it so much Feb 08 22:33:32 <_azdak> just that much more confusing Feb 08 22:34:19 ALRIGHT, so now it sort of opens Feb 08 22:34:24 but it doesn't display properly Feb 08 22:34:29 or open properly Feb 08 22:34:50 I get this error from palm-log: Error: animateWithTimer: 0, palmInitFramework314:2511 Feb 08 22:35:48 I use this all the time Feb 08 22:36:00 although I have some old code where I set a var to this and used it inside of anonymous functions Feb 08 22:36:02 instead of binding the function to this Feb 08 22:36:05 which I should probably update. Feb 08 22:36:48 var t = this; data.each(function(pair) { t.doSomeFunction(pair.key); } // or something like that Feb 08 22:37:08 hah. lazyyyyyyyyy Feb 08 22:37:13 should be data.each(function(pair) { this.doSomeFunction(pair.key); }.bind(this)) Feb 08 22:37:29 it's mostly because I didn't realize you could call bind directly from an anon function >.> Feb 08 22:37:40 anyone have an idea? Feb 08 22:37:55 Tib: nope :( maybe missing some attributes required? Feb 08 22:37:57 animation time or something? Feb 08 22:38:07 But its Palm's freaking code! Feb 08 22:38:21 I even tried some of my own code from a diff scene and it didn't work Feb 08 22:38:31 it worked on the other scene though! Feb 08 22:38:46 gotta be in your layout or something Feb 08 22:48:05 What the crappppp.... so drawers don't pick up regular text? Feb 08 22:48:17 I put in a palm row and it showed up correctly Feb 08 22:48:31 But straight text didn't show up and made me think it wasn't working Feb 08 22:48:46 :/ Feb 08 22:49:39 That's stupiiiiiiiddd.... ok rant over. Feb 08 22:49:52 So whats everyone working on? Feb 08 22:50:24 lunch Feb 08 22:50:32 <_azdak> my ridiculously overambitious game Feb 08 22:50:38 which one? Feb 08 22:50:53 not which, *what is it? Feb 08 22:51:00 <_azdak> not released yet. hoping to send it to palm by end of the week Feb 08 22:51:26 <_azdak> a pseudo-fps Feb 08 22:51:42 <_azdak> built with canvas Feb 08 22:51:51 _azdak: nice :) Feb 08 22:53:07 <_azdak> I'm pretty excited- webOS is handling performance much better than expected Feb 08 22:53:47 <_azdak> (and I'm testing the thing on my pixi!) Feb 08 23:03:59 _azdak: :) Feb 08 23:04:54 oooh, fps. Feb 08 23:07:02 <_azdak> I decided to not go with ray casting or such silliness, so it's really a pivot-and-shoot kinda deal Feb 08 23:17:27 <_azdak> man, the lag from audio is *terrible* Feb 08 23:18:44 azdak: yeah it is Feb 08 23:18:52 and if you want beta-testers, let me know Feb 08 23:18:54 :D Feb 08 23:19:55 <_azdak> I may well take you up on that. I've only got the wee pixi Feb 08 23:20:29 let me know Feb 08 23:20:52 <_azdak> def Feb 08 23:21:16 Any Preware users with German language on their device ? Feb 08 23:21:59 I suck at fps games Feb 08 23:22:08 on pre I do :D Feb 08 23:24:56 <_azdak> My little brother can whoop me now... Feb 08 23:24:58 <_azdak> sigh... Feb 08 23:26:03 _azdak: what are you using for audio? Feb 08 23:26:13 _azdak: stock javascript object in mojo I take it? Feb 08 23:26:35 <_azdak> yup Feb 08 23:26:44 do dear Feb 08 23:26:44 <_azdak> and it just kills performance Feb 08 23:26:47 oh dear even Feb 08 23:26:48 :( Feb 08 23:26:59 * swishy doesnt hold much hope for his app then Feb 08 23:26:59 lol Feb 08 23:27:06 <_azdak> haha Feb 08 23:27:20 _azdak: you using single object? Feb 08 23:27:21 * sugardave sighs. "Still no playSoundRightNowDammit() method. Pity." Feb 08 23:27:35 <_azdak> I'm thinking honestly about dropping the sound for the initial release Feb 08 23:27:43 ah crap Feb 08 23:27:46 that bad? Feb 08 23:27:50 azdak: do it Feb 08 23:27:58 sound will be improved... it def is in pdk games Feb 08 23:28:06 <_azdak> I can always upgrade later Feb 08 23:28:11 <_azdak> yeah, that was my thought Feb 08 23:28:25 Tibfib: that doesnt help if you want to do it in mojo Feb 08 23:28:27 :) Feb 08 23:28:43 <_azdak> swishy- using a single object, passing the filename as a parameter Feb 08 23:28:57 _azdak: ah ok have you tried multiple objects? Feb 08 23:29:08 Heh. Sound will never be good in MOJO... at least it looks like it... Feb 08 23:29:21 Tibfib: I cant see why not Feb 08 23:29:22 <_azdak> yeah, it actually seemed worse(!) Feb 08 23:29:27 _azdak: ahh :\ Feb 08 23:29:37 I hope it will be, but dang it sucks. Feb 08 23:29:59 thats not good news at all Feb 08 23:30:23 * swishy has just being using the emulator thus far to dev so hasnt actually 'heard' the audio events triggered... Feb 08 23:30:24 swishy: why? just use the PDK Feb 08 23:30:52 Tibfib: I already have 90% of the app done purely in mojo why would I want to use the pdk Feb 08 23:30:53 Tibfib: beat today's puzzle? Feb 08 23:31:02 I did Feb 08 23:31:03 Tibfib: for some of us, you might as well say "Just swim to the moon." Feb 08 23:31:08 its an easy one Feb 08 23:31:24 oh..yes, easy... *ahem* Feb 08 23:31:25 sugardave: I don't know C++, but I'm going to learn it so I make good apps Feb 08 23:31:27 took me a few tries Feb 08 23:31:27 Tibfib: although in saying that porting to sdl seems a more ideal solution atm :\ Feb 08 23:31:32 maik: :D Feb 08 23:31:47 no worries maik, ive played that game SO MUCH testing it Feb 08 23:31:55 heh Feb 08 23:32:19 <_azdak> the thing is, you can do a *lot* more with canvas/js/blahblah than people think Feb 08 23:32:23 did you get the update maik? Feb 08 23:32:28 oh wait. you already have it Feb 08 23:32:44 <_azdak> it's just sucks the audio is so poorly integrated thus far Feb 08 23:33:08 <_azdak> I'd imagine the new versions will improve handling a lot Feb 08 23:33:12 you sent it to me, ya Feb 08 23:33:43 glad you moved changed the sizing or whatever you did to account for the notification bar, i can't count the number of times i've hit new puzzle instead of the tile i wanted Feb 08 23:34:06 maik: hah its been like that for a while Feb 08 23:34:13 which mode? Feb 08 23:34:18 the helicopter game is encroaching on my countdown time though, got 1090 the other day Feb 08 23:34:34 Hah the helicopter game is encroaching on my LIFE Feb 08 23:34:37 so awesome Feb 08 23:34:56 hmmm....will have to check that one out Feb 08 23:35:00 Its open source... Ive thought about adding online highscores Feb 08 23:35:07 And releasing another version Feb 08 23:35:10 with preferences too Feb 08 23:35:12 wait, there's modes? Feb 08 23:35:18 maik: on countdown Feb 08 23:35:27 Like theres a lightsout mode Feb 08 23:35:33 right...modes...oh look at that, is that new? Feb 08 23:35:37 Check your preferences to turn it on or not Feb 08 23:35:42 Yeah just this update Feb 08 23:35:48 I mean helicopter, I downloaded countdown earlier today, that's fun but I am bad at it right now Feb 08 23:35:48 took about 5 mins to add in... :D Feb 08 23:36:01 sugardave: did you watch the howto vid? Feb 08 23:36:03 wow, i've never hit the app menu Feb 08 23:36:10 Theres records Feb 08 23:36:13 and puzzlemaker mode Feb 08 23:36:14 :D Feb 08 23:36:23 not yet, I figured out the basic gameplay and won a few easy puzzles and a couple of the next level Feb 08 23:36:31 96% completion percentage Feb 08 23:36:33 yeah buddy Feb 08 23:36:36 :D Feb 08 23:36:39 how many puzzles? Feb 08 23:36:43 click on the row to expand it Feb 08 23:36:43 wait a minute Feb 08 23:36:56 236 games won, 236 games played Feb 08 23:37:23 that's not 96% :D Feb 08 23:37:27 and only 96% completion? Feb 08 23:37:35 hmmmmmmmm Feb 08 23:37:37 ya, something makes me think it's a little higher Feb 08 23:37:38 Screenshot it Feb 08 23:37:43 expand them all Feb 08 23:38:02 ya, the counts are dif..god i'm an idiot Feb 08 23:38:05 226 vs 236 Feb 08 23:38:19 :D Feb 08 23:38:22 sorry, i'm having an off day Feb 08 23:38:34 ooops Feb 08 23:38:55 maik: you can see how many of each difficulty you have won by clicking on the completed row Feb 08 23:39:06 on the *won* row Feb 08 23:39:17 ya i did that and saw the counts were different, then saw that i was just being dyslexic...or something Feb 08 23:40:26 Check out the submissions area Feb 08 23:40:37 now it randomly picks you a puzzle Feb 08 23:41:03 nice Feb 08 23:41:10 Hey maik, did you ever leave a review... :D Feb 08 23:41:28 heh, no because i've never had to go to the download page Feb 08 23:41:53 heh, I might not give you the next version early then... haha Feb 08 23:42:09 alright alright Feb 08 23:42:41 I have the 0.6.7 version if you want it... minor bug fix(es) Feb 08 23:42:53 did i tell you my wife hates it? Feb 08 23:42:59 hahahahah Feb 08 23:43:07 tell your wife that the developer is sorry Feb 08 23:43:37 will do. she really dislikes when i play it, i think it's jealousy. just not too logically minded Feb 08 23:43:42 like most women i suppose Feb 08 23:43:49 * maik *duck*dodge*flee* Feb 08 23:43:52 :O Feb 08 23:44:23 Id say get a new wife so you can play in peace, but that would probably be bad advice... :D Feb 08 23:45:05 a bit :) Feb 08 23:45:24 reviewed Feb 08 23:45:50 thanks Feb 08 23:45:55 want 0.6.7 now? Feb 08 23:46:07 theres not a noticeable difference Feb 08 23:46:25 sure sure Feb 08 23:47:06 something i noticed at least before 0.6.6 is if i scrolled through the puzzlemaker submissions, once i lifted my finger it would select whichever puzzle i had done the scroll motion on, is that fixed? Feb 08 23:47:12 maik: "My wife hates this...." was that the one? Feb 08 23:47:33 maik: yep Feb 08 23:47:35 lol i don't think so, unless i reviewed it twice Feb 08 23:47:38 it bothered me SOOO MUCH Feb 08 23:47:41 Tibfib: cool Feb 08 23:47:45 lol Feb 08 23:47:50 you cant pick submissions anymore Feb 08 23:47:56 that list disappears Feb 08 23:48:08 oh, any reason? Feb 08 23:48:15 it was kind of a broken system, you submit your puzzle Feb 08 23:48:19 then go to submissions and rate it up Feb 08 23:48:32 oh hmm Feb 08 23:48:35 Now, we(the app) pick what puzzle you get to review Feb 08 23:48:43 see it for yourself, by the way sent Feb 08 23:48:51 gotcha Feb 08 23:48:56 thx Feb 08 23:50:07 Soo will Chuq delete reviews that say the app is unplayable because people are running OLD versions of webOS? Feb 08 23:50:15 lately I put a version requirement on it Feb 08 23:52:36 hmmm guess I'll have to catch chuq if/when he gets on Feb 08 23:53:19 ya, no idea Feb 08 23:53:48 Because I have two 1 stars and one 0 star reviews saying it wont work Feb 08 23:54:02 it wont work because they are running old webos versions Feb 08 23:54:55 I have one review from a guy that says my app is dumb and another one is better (Its prbobably the dev of the other app) Feb 08 23:55:04 from* the Feb 08 23:58:55 lol Feb 08 23:58:58 propaganda Feb 09 00:06:49 is there a standard left/right rotation for landscape apps? Feb 09 00:06:55 I only have one, Wabbit Hunt, which rotates left Feb 09 00:07:00 but I was thinking of rotating right Feb 09 00:11:48 i think it's easier to have a landscape app in landscape mode with the usb connector on the top Feb 09 00:11:53 so in case it's plugged in the cable is more or less up and out of the way Feb 09 00:43:58 Bmyers - my nemesis. Feb 09 00:45:05 hows it going? Feb 09 00:45:19 ok. being reviewed. Feb 09 00:45:40 you are being reviewed as soon as you submit it. Feb 09 00:45:47 you're not really tho Feb 09 00:45:52 Yeah Feb 09 00:46:02 mine was "being reviewed" for a week until it was approved Feb 09 00:46:21 and when it's being reviewed. you cant change ANYTHING Feb 09 00:46:21 ya, i no Feb 09 00:46:29 PITA Feb 09 00:46:35 ya, i no Feb 09 00:46:46 but thats cool. Feb 09 00:46:51 congrats. Feb 09 00:46:58 it's a right of passage.. Feb 09 00:47:05 haefbb: what app? Feb 09 00:47:08 it should be painful a little. Feb 09 00:47:47 did you get the google thing working? Feb 09 00:48:12 Tibfib: he has a mileage tracking app Feb 09 00:50:23 Oh yeah, heard you talking about that. Feb 09 00:50:25 very nice Feb 09 00:51:11 Myles Feb 09 00:51:19 no haven't touched it. Feb 09 00:51:37 I was given some code for export/import to Google spreadsheet, though. Feb 09 00:52:05 cool man. can i check it out? Feb 09 00:56:15 what CMS should I use to develop my website? Feb 09 00:56:43 i use joomla Feb 09 00:56:58 pretty much the same as mambo Feb 09 00:57:35 somebody suggested WordPress... Feb 09 00:58:09 depends on what you want to do Feb 09 00:58:15 <_azdak> wordpress seconded Feb 09 00:59:03 just need a web presence. Show a list of my apps. give each a page with screenshots, instructions. Add contact form. Feb 09 00:59:20 I guess some sort of feedback blog/forum would be nice. Feb 09 00:59:47 training video? Feb 09 01:01:09 haeffb: I like wordpress Feb 09 01:01:20 anad if you want, you can install SMF as well Feb 09 01:01:33 three votes wordpress, one vote joomla Feb 09 01:01:43 <_azdak> Wordpress is pretty fricking simple to set up/customize, has a huge user community, and extends well Feb 09 01:01:47 wordpress is just so easy Feb 09 01:01:57 Lets you focus on pre apps ;) Feb 09 01:02:01 <_azdak> joomla's great, just sorta overkill for most stuff Feb 09 01:02:23 got a link to "wordpress for dummies"? Feb 09 01:02:43 http://wordpress.org/ Feb 09 01:02:47 gotta improve on this: http://www.tigercountrysoftware.com/ Feb 09 01:02:55 <_azdak> http://codex.wordpress.org/Main_Page Feb 09 01:03:13 <_azdak> the wordpress docs are actually pretty good Feb 09 01:03:30 hah very advanced site Feb 09 01:03:32 <_azdak> haha Feb 09 01:03:34 <_azdak> youch Feb 09 01:03:39 :D Feb 09 01:04:01 so haeffb, are you in missouri? Feb 09 01:04:07 (ss from Myles app) Feb 09 01:04:18 Macon, MO Feb 09 01:04:33 Not sure exactly where that is, but I'm over in Manhattan, KS Feb 09 01:04:39 index.html written in notepad in about 2 minutes. Feb 09 01:04:54 One hour north of Columbia Feb 09 01:04:59 <_azdak> ha. fair enough Feb 09 01:05:03 very nice, was born in columbia Feb 09 01:05:03 I have family in Westmoreland Feb 09 01:05:18 I was* Feb 09 01:05:24 hah, I like to leave out pronouns Feb 09 01:05:27 we go to KS for quail & pheasant hunting a couple of times every year Feb 09 01:06:14 occasionally go to Manhattan to watch Tigers play KSU in bball. Feb 09 01:06:29 nice Feb 09 01:07:15 <_azdak> gonna go grab some coffee/food/shuteye. night yall Feb 09 01:07:42 * swishy waves Feb 09 01:07:51 cya Feb 09 01:07:58 * Mousey thinks . o O ( Christopher? ) Feb 09 01:15:26 hi all Feb 09 01:15:32 hi Jenp Feb 09 01:15:40 hello Feb 09 01:15:48 hye Bmyers how are you doing? hi Tibfib Feb 09 01:16:29 Doing ok. How 'bout you? Feb 09 01:16:41 meh...it's a monday Feb 09 01:17:11 it is . cant deny it.. Feb 09 01:17:26 smiles.. Feb 09 01:17:56 It's tuedsay in Greenland Feb 09 01:18:21 smiles... how ya doing haeffb? Feb 09 01:18:24 its not green though Feb 09 01:18:34 iceland is green. go figure. Feb 09 01:18:42 wordpressing Feb 09 01:18:54 cool! Feb 09 01:19:17 so far, I've installed it. Feb 09 01:19:43 there ya go.. Feb 09 01:19:47 lol...half way there Feb 09 01:20:09 now gotta figure out what the hell I'm doing. Feb 09 01:20:41 lol...well if anyone can figure it out you can. What part are you working on? Feb 09 01:21:22 oh, wow, look at this: http://tigercountrysoftware.com/ Feb 09 01:21:43 yeah! wordpress Feb 09 01:21:47 lol Feb 09 01:22:11 themes? Feb 09 01:22:24 you wanted to go mobile right? Feb 09 01:22:54 goto themes, add...search for mobile Feb 09 01:23:03 i think there's 3 1 is wp default Feb 09 01:23:38 cuz I wanna go home...I'm going mobile... Feb 09 01:23:49 lol Feb 09 01:23:57 http://bravenewcode.com/wptouch Feb 09 01:24:05 wptouch is a plugin for wordpress Feb 09 01:24:14 looks great on mobile devices Feb 09 01:24:24 such as webos ;P Feb 09 01:34:46 dawm_: so I can have wptouch and a regular theme installed? Feb 09 01:35:00 yeh Feb 09 01:35:06 it only shows wptouch on mobile devices Feb 09 01:37:46 so, now I need a regular theme... Feb 09 01:42:50 hi Feb 09 01:43:32 JenP: long time. how you been? Feb 09 01:43:54 lol good...had to download the geico ringtone...freaking hysterical Feb 09 01:49:48 what's the geico ringtone? Feb 09 01:49:53 browsing themes. Feb 09 01:49:56 too many choices. Feb 09 01:50:21 http://www.geico.com/about/commercials/music/ringtones/ Feb 09 01:50:32 listen to the "boss's ringtone" Feb 09 01:50:39 just makes me giggle Feb 09 01:51:56 nice Feb 09 01:52:21 yeah...can't listen to it and not smile Feb 09 01:58:03 ringedy dong ding ding.. Feb 09 01:58:14 hehehe Feb 09 01:58:45 u have that on your pixi ? Feb 09 01:58:50 my pre Feb 09 01:59:05 default ringtone......for this week Feb 09 01:59:19 lots of stress at work...i'll need all the giggles I can get Feb 09 02:00:26 meh. now I have to learn how to customize/create wordpress themes. Feb 09 02:00:44 smiles...do you have dreamweaver? Feb 09 02:02:39 i thought you liked drama at work? Feb 09 02:02:53 smiles...when it's far far away.... Feb 09 02:03:10 my boss just realized i'm on vacation next week....so he moved up 3 deadlines Feb 09 02:03:26 i hate bosses Feb 09 02:03:38 JenP: what do you do? Feb 09 02:03:46 they just think about covering their own ass.. Feb 09 02:04:03 i'm an XML IETM programmer for GA Feb 09 02:04:11 Nice Feb 09 02:04:42 I like it.. Feb 09 02:05:01 i didnt know you were a programmer. i thought you sold shoes.. Feb 09 02:05:19 nope....just wear them.... Feb 09 02:05:35 i'd probably never eat if i had to sell shoes Feb 09 02:05:49 seriously....top ramen at most.... Feb 09 02:06:10 those arent too bad.. Feb 09 02:06:27 stay away from the bottom ramen stuff tho.. Feb 09 02:06:42 bottom ramen? what's that? Feb 09 02:06:51 JenP: again, but in english this time Feb 09 02:07:11 engrish... Feb 09 02:07:14 huh? what'd i do? Feb 09 02:07:27 shes a pole dancer i think is what she said.. Feb 09 02:07:29 xml ietm ga Feb 09 02:07:50 Bmyers are you kidding! those shoes suck. can barely walk in those things Feb 09 02:08:01 haeffb: http://www.ga-asi.com/ Feb 09 02:08:19 there are not for waking. they are for counting ceiling tiles.. Feb 09 02:08:28 i make the interactive electronic technical manuals to teach pilots to fly the Predator UAV Feb 09 02:08:35 ah, jetsons stuff Feb 09 02:08:46 cool. i love R/C Feb 09 02:09:05 Bmyers: LOL tell you what you walk in those shoes all watch and throw dollar bills Feb 09 02:09:23 i could use some money.. let me think it over.. Feb 09 02:09:25 uber R/C way cool Feb 09 02:09:26 lol Feb 09 02:09:49 i even had onboard video in one before there was predator.. Feb 09 02:10:27 but predator is clearly better... Feb 09 02:10:55 thats cool JenP: all that and a bag a chips.. Feb 09 02:11:49 Bmyers: yeah it is. Feb 09 02:13:23 where you going on R&R? Feb 09 02:14:08 no where...just gonna hit the zoo, beach, stay up late, sleep in later Feb 09 02:14:31 sleeping in "late" .. what is "late" ? Feb 09 02:15:07 well past 4am is always a plus...but i'm thinking 7am Feb 09 02:15:20 any later and i'll feel like i waisted half the day away Feb 09 02:17:24 SD Zoo? Feb 09 02:17:47 yeah i love the zoo...and we have baby tigers...so i've gotta go look Feb 09 02:18:49 thats a good zoo. been there. Feb 09 02:19:11 yeah it's way cool Feb 09 02:19:48 Adelaide Zoo has pandas now Feb 09 02:21:03 cool Feb 09 02:21:33 well enjoy your time off. do things, see stuff.. Feb 09 02:21:45 will do thanks Feb 09 02:37:42 hmm do you guys know if it's possible to position a menu group button in the middle of the card instead of static bottom? Feb 09 02:38:26 it would have to be your own thing i think. viewmenu at the top, command menu at the bottom.. Feb 09 02:38:37 nodnod Feb 09 02:41:23 sugardave: you around? Feb 09 02:42:13 JenP: override the css Feb 09 02:42:24 yeah i'm trying to pinpoint where Feb 09 02:45:08 oh found it **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Feb 09 02:59:56 2010