**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Feb 09 02:59:56 2010 Feb 09 03:23:48 Howdy Feb 09 03:27:58 hello Feb 09 03:28:13 hiya Feb 09 03:28:22 hi JenP Feb 09 03:28:36 hi LoneStar99 Feb 09 03:28:50 Getting close to having my app ready to submit :D Feb 09 03:28:54 Any pointers? Feb 09 03:29:01 Good Luck! Feb 09 03:29:22 drink a cold beer! Feb 09 03:29:26 :P Feb 09 03:29:37 I think I will when I get home Feb 09 03:29:58 right on Feb 09 03:30:09 I just realized it's been like 2 months since I last had a beer Feb 09 03:30:18 I need a dead guy ale :D Feb 09 03:30:51 LoneStar99: Do you have any apps on the catalog? Feb 09 03:32:12 3.5 apps Feb 09 03:32:39 wow, sounds like a powerful beer Feb 09 03:33:29 Rouge brewing, it's awesome beer :) Feb 09 03:34:34 If you're looking for something awesome try an arrogant bastard or if you're feeling froggy a double bastard (both sone brewing) Feb 09 03:34:57 arrogant bastard are from san diego Feb 09 03:35:06 they are good Feb 09 03:37:58 LoneStar99: what apps do you have on the catalog? Feb 09 03:38:42 http://urloid.com/palm3 http://urloid.com/palm4 http://urloid.com/app2 Feb 09 03:39:31 Nice Feb 09 03:39:57 still waiting for the newest app link, just got approved a few hours ago Feb 09 03:40:04 thanks Feb 09 03:40:21 How long do apps take to get approved usually? Feb 09 03:41:36 first one 1.5 months - 2nd less than a week, 3rd 3 days Feb 09 03:42:07 I like 3 days Feb 09 03:43:24 Alright I've got another dumb problem. Why would, using regexp, a "replace" come up with something while a "test" would not? they are using the same regexp object.... Feb 09 03:43:57 the first one was before the proper "web site" you had to email them to palm, which i zipped the IPK, palm servers stripped the zip files so 1.5 month Feb 09 03:44:11 http://w3schools.com/jsref/jsref_obj_regexp.asp Feb 09 03:47:59 Whats your regex? Feb 09 03:48:50 re = new RegExp(item, "igm"); Feb 09 03:48:55 IT HAS to be a bug Feb 09 03:49:12 item is a variable passed in the fucntion Feb 09 03:49:15 function Feb 09 03:49:33 brb Feb 09 03:54:50 I do a "replace" using the exact same regexp and the text highlights (ala my code) Feb 09 03:54:58 I do a "test" and it comes up false Feb 09 03:55:01 :) Feb 09 03:55:08 Arggg I meant :/ Feb 09 03:55:35 Dang this search feature is becoming a major pain. Feb 09 03:56:14 Try it in a browser and see if you get the same results Feb 09 03:56:22 If so I would file a bug with webkit Feb 09 03:57:22 3426 Downloads with a 4.0 rating :D Feb 09 03:57:23 Good idea Feb 09 03:57:36 If only I was getting paid for those downloads Feb 09 03:58:03 I know haha. Feb 09 03:58:22 Very soon though :D Feb 09 03:58:46 Releasing Code Breaker Classic and Code Breaker (insert something here) Feb 09 03:58:59 One a limited of the other and the non classic version being paid Feb 09 04:00:49 If an app gets rejected to you have to pay to submit it again? Feb 09 04:00:55 no Feb 09 04:01:05 the $50 review fee is a once per app thing Feb 09 04:01:23 Awesome :) Feb 09 04:01:25 If you have a beta app and move it over to the catalog do you get to take your ratings with you? Feb 09 04:01:32 nope Feb 09 04:01:42 Lame! Feb 09 04:01:44 is haeffb around tonight? Feb 09 04:01:57 texas sucks Feb 09 04:02:20 At last Brian! Something we agree on!!! Feb 09 04:02:32 I mean, after all, k-state beat them. Feb 09 04:02:41 hey, kstates decent Feb 09 04:02:50 texas does SUCK though Feb 09 04:06:00 uh oh There was a technical problem with updating the application. Please contact Palm! Feb 09 04:06:53 oh dear Feb 09 04:06:55 email chuq Feb 09 04:07:00 rick-home be nice to haeffb he's sensitive to sports related events Feb 09 04:07:09 lol Feb 09 04:07:48 uh, 63 51 ku over texas Feb 09 04:07:52 i barely realized the winter olympics start on feb 12th Feb 09 04:08:21 Sports hurt my brain Feb 09 04:08:41 Sports === Huffing Paint Feb 09 04:11:53 winter olympics? wont it have to snow for that? damn you al gore! Feb 09 04:12:48 yeah Feb 09 04:12:53 vancouver Feb 09 04:14:10 lol Feb 09 04:22:24 whoa... looks like it's a bug with webOS Feb 09 04:30:41 what bug Tibfib Feb 09 04:31:04 a regexp bug Feb 09 04:31:10 looks like MU will have to spoil an undefeated season. Feb 09 04:31:16 The test method is messed up Feb 09 04:31:39 Any one ever have issues with setting an app price? Feb 09 04:32:00 The input field is disabled Feb 09 04:32:01 But alas, It's time for me to retire. Later all Feb 09 04:49:08 I'm trying to get my app menu working. I'm following the instructions from here http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1683 Feb 09 04:50:28 Have you tried hitting your pre with a hammer? Feb 09 04:50:36 That usually fixes most of my issues Feb 09 04:50:58 what's the problem, juan___? Feb 09 04:51:09 clicking on the 'about app' menu item brings up the alertdialog just fine, but when i click any of the menu items that are supposed to call pushScene, it complains that it has not method 'pushScene' Feb 09 04:51:12 http://pastebin.com/m5e8465b5 Feb 09 04:51:22 First part in your setup method Feb 09 04:52:48 http://pastebin.com/m2731487e Feb 09 04:53:29 I couldn't get it to work on stage Feb 09 04:53:38 I ended up adding it to every scene Feb 09 04:53:39 =/ Feb 09 04:54:11 so the 'do-myAbout' command gets handled fine and it shows the alert dialog, but the 'do-account' command is acting like controller doesn't have the pushScene method Feb 09 04:54:41 yeah, i guess i could do that for now, i just have having to copynpaste into all my scenes Feb 09 04:54:53 Mojo.Controller.stageController.pushScene('myScene'); Feb 09 04:54:54 Try that Feb 09 04:55:02 Rather than this.controller Feb 09 04:55:54 yay! Feb 09 04:55:58 that was it Feb 09 04:56:05 i didn't think about that Feb 09 04:57:05 Always a good fallback if something doesn't seem to know what this.controller is Feb 09 04:57:16 Well probably not but for newbies it is :P Feb 09 04:57:35 i guess so Feb 09 04:58:25 Finally :D Feb 09 04:58:34 Palm is letting me charge now Feb 09 04:58:45 Dunno why it wouldn't I tried a 5th time and it let me put a price in Feb 09 04:59:06 i don't think my app is app store worthy Feb 09 04:59:16 I hope mine is! Feb 09 05:00:25 Fingers crossed that Code Breaker 2.0.0 is a success :D Feb 09 05:01:10 3 days in beta and I'm just 43 downloads shy of 3500 Feb 09 05:01:31 Well good night folks :) Feb 09 05:01:35 not yet Feb 09 05:01:37 ? Feb 09 05:01:42 how do i get the app catalog in the emulator? Feb 09 05:01:42 My car is running :P Feb 09 05:01:47 No clue =/ Feb 09 05:01:54 oh, nevermind Feb 09 05:01:59 goodnight! Feb 09 05:02:01 I dev on my device since the emu freaks out on me all the time Feb 09 05:02:11 g'night Feb 09 05:02:13 freaks out on me too, and i have no device Feb 09 05:11:45 juan, you can not get the app catalog int he emulator. Feb 09 05:44:15 I'm back :) Feb 09 05:44:48 I'm starting to like it around here Feb 09 05:47:03 because it's so quiet? Feb 09 05:47:11 me, I'm off to bed. Feb 09 05:48:57 Na, because every one here is help full Feb 09 05:50:08 Or maybe because the palm pre is the obsession of the week, dunno Feb 09 05:50:52 scottb: you can check the logs back to november to see that's it's not a transient fad :-) Feb 09 05:50:54 At any rate, my app says "being reviewed" after about 30 minutes, are they really reviewing it that quick? Feb 09 05:51:54 haha, I wish! Feb 09 05:51:56 unfortunately now. Feb 09 05:51:57 no* Feb 09 05:52:11 rwhitby: For me it may be, last week I was hanging out over in #webkit working with some guy at apple on a unit test framework and code coverage tool for the inspector, this week that project is forgotten and I'm building javascript games for the pre :P Feb 09 05:52:12 keep in mind that they don't actually email you when it goes from "being reviewed" to "in the app catalog" Feb 09 05:52:14 so keep an eye on the catalog! Feb 09 05:52:38 I ran into some trouble with that because my website was a blank screen with "coming soon" when it came out >.> Feb 09 05:52:40 Kuraiou: That kinda sucks Feb 09 05:52:46 * Kuraiou nods. Feb 09 05:52:49 it was a bit silly. Feb 09 05:52:54 but it gave me good impetus to get my page up! Feb 09 05:52:58 silver linings and all that. Feb 09 05:53:01 http://www.scottbyrns.com/ Feb 09 05:53:15 A bit better than coming soon but not much Feb 09 05:53:41 Wait it seems to be down >< Feb 09 05:53:52 Oh shit >< Feb 09 05:53:55 www doesn't work Feb 09 05:54:03 need to correct settings =/ Feb 09 05:54:18 so same url minus the www. part Feb 09 05:55:15 interesting looking app :O Feb 09 05:55:20 http://www.fourthdraftsoftware.com Feb 09 05:55:29 scottb: Comming ? Feb 09 05:55:30 mine is much plainer looking, but it doesn't really need to be so fancy. Feb 09 05:55:36 Yeah, I cant spell :P Feb 09 05:55:38 oh dang typo :O Feb 09 05:55:50 Not a typo, I just always misspell comming Feb 09 05:56:03 And adobe fireworks doesn't have spell check =/ Feb 09 05:56:50 HAHAHAHA, I was just about to start work on a dnd dice app Feb 09 05:57:10 I'm dm'ing a game at the moment with one set of die Feb 09 06:00:52 Kuraiou: An old version of my app is still in public beta if you want to give it a shot Feb 09 06:13:47 scott: download my app, it should help, and there's an update coming soon too :3 Feb 09 06:14:07 I'll take a look at yours! Just email me the link, though, I need to head to sleep now for work tomorrow: zach@fourthdraftsoftware.com Feb 09 06:15:05 night everyone~ Feb 09 06:16:00 night Feb 09 09:07:20 is it posible using api or something in palmos to render gradients? Feb 09 09:22:52 is it posible using api or something in palmos for render gradients? Feb 09 09:25:52 ohuerta: nope not yet...until they implement WebKit CSS gradients or gradient support in Canvas Feb 09 09:27:16 oh thank you Feb 09 09:27:19 and using css? Feb 09 09:27:24 for palm? Feb 09 09:28:02 WebKit implements a CSS property that allows for rendering of gradients inside of divs Feb 09 09:28:20 however WebOS doesn't support that currently Feb 09 09:28:28 ah, i understand Feb 09 09:29:02 u know if they are woring on it currently? Feb 09 09:29:03 palm peeps on this channel have said a major WebKit overhaul is coming soon Feb 09 09:29:05 working Feb 09 09:29:16 aha Feb 09 09:29:23 no timeline on any particular feature though Feb 09 09:29:40 ok Feb 09 09:29:43 thank you Feb 09 09:32:12 no prob Feb 09 09:32:48 you know you can use webkit-border images to stretch a small gradient to fill an arbitrary div right? Feb 09 09:32:59 -webkit-border-image rather Feb 09 09:33:15 i can use it in palm? Feb 09 09:33:28 yep Feb 09 09:33:38 I use it all over the place Feb 09 09:33:39 but are images Feb 09 09:33:45 yes Feb 09 09:33:50 aha Feb 09 09:33:52 so not dynamic if that's what you Feb 09 09:33:55 after Feb 09 09:34:33 can u paste me some code? Feb 09 09:34:40 sure....hold on Feb 09 09:34:44 ok tx Feb 09 09:36:06 http://www.pastie.org/815993 Feb 09 09:36:26 here's a reference: http://www.lrbabe.com/sdoms/borderImage/index.html Feb 09 09:39:49 ok i check it Feb 09 09:46:14 youre telling me that i can use border-image: url("border.png") 30% 35% 40% 30% round round; Feb 09 09:46:48 50% 50% 50% 50% round round for stretch a gradient? Feb 09 09:49:44 jfelectron are u there? Feb 09 09:50:04 sorry.... yeah Feb 09 09:50:21 not sure about round round Feb 09 09:50:49 Hi everyone, I am looking for a forum or something where wishlists/bugs/problems with webOS are discussed, ideally with developers or Palm officials, too Feb 09 09:51:08 ohuerta: that would be for a round border Feb 09 09:51:38 yeah Feb 09 09:51:53 but i can use this for background right? Feb 09 09:51:56 ohuerta: for a rectangular gradient.....the idea is that you can take a little gradient say 50px square and stretch it to create a gradient for any size Feb 09 09:52:09 yes, i understand it Feb 09 09:52:16 ohuerta: yeah, it fills the background of the div Feb 09 09:52:23 aa Feb 09 09:52:24 ok Feb 09 09:52:42 you can place content to the edge, because their implementation uses negative margins Feb 09 09:52:51 yes, yes Feb 09 09:53:10 ok....I'm turning in for the night...good luck! Feb 09 09:53:18 ok thank you Feb 09 09:53:20 bb Feb 09 14:42:37 Anybody have a few minutes to help me out? I'm having trouble reading any accelerometer data from my app. Feb 09 14:44:53 setWindowOrientation("free") works, but trying to read orientationchange or acceleration doesn't seem to work. Feb 09 14:49:15 Anyone? Feb 09 15:08:03 moin Feb 09 15:32:17 Anyone around that can answer accelerometer and/or iFrame questions? Feb 09 15:32:55 zinge: not I Feb 09 15:41:06 zinge, lemme look and see if iFrames work or not... Feb 09 15:41:18 hey guys so am i correct when thinking there is no usbnet for osx 10.6? Feb 09 15:41:28 except I am gonna hafta reboot any minute for a kernel update... I will check it out once that is done Feb 09 15:44:02 Okay. I actually have to run to work... I trued it out real quick, and it had an empty frame within the app, and opened up a new browser window with the iframe src. I think I can just switch to using a webview widget instead and play around with that. Feb 09 15:49:37 zinge: depending on what you are trying to do, you could probably get the same effect using AJAX or divs and javascript Feb 09 15:50:05 but without knowing more of what you are trying to get done I don't know if it is possible... Feb 09 15:51:34 When my app says "Being reviewed" how long does that take? Feb 09 15:57:04 any good rumors about webos phones on sprint lately? Feb 09 16:01:41 anyone here ever seen a Pre stuck on WebOS v1.2.1? My boss's pre seems to be stuck on that version. He goes to updates and it keeps saying his phone is up to date. My phone is on 1.3.5.1. Feb 09 16:01:44 hi everybody Feb 09 16:09:52 anyone? Feb 09 16:10:12 jcrawford: seems familiar, an old problem Feb 09 16:10:35 maybe have him doctor to 1.3 Feb 09 16:10:41 and then try an update Feb 09 16:11:31 back up his /media/internal first, just in case Feb 09 16:16:58 sugardave, yea that's what I was thinking :) Feb 09 16:38:04 morning Feb 09 17:11:35 morning Feb 09 17:12:44 morning Feb 09 17:21:42 would it be inappropriate to list a painting app under games? Feb 09 17:22:01 codeslaw_: yes! Dont do it! Resist the urge. Feb 09 17:22:15 i figured Feb 09 17:22:22 other drawing apps are in there Feb 09 17:22:33 codeslaw_: and they should all die. Feb 09 17:22:50 plus, i would be close to the top of the list! Feb 09 17:22:55 really, if your drawing app is really just a toy, and not really a tool... Feb 09 17:23:14 like the ones in there... Feb 09 17:23:35 chuqui: any response on my ##logs# question? Feb 09 17:23:53 well, at this stage, it is basically a toy, as the only way to save is via screenshot Feb 09 17:24:01 but some people have produced some really awesome stuff with it Feb 09 17:24:06 yah... sad about that. Feb 09 17:24:10 I owe you an email... Feb 09 17:24:27 codeslaw_: which one is yours? Feb 09 17:24:31 paintr lite Feb 09 17:24:36 I like that one. Feb 09 17:24:45 I think it is the best one so far. Feb 09 17:24:55 thanks Feb 09 17:25:00 i appreciate that Feb 09 17:25:44 I wish it had more colors... but I know that is a pain cause it means more brushes. Feb 09 17:25:52 essentially, yes Feb 09 17:26:17 though those specific 16 colors are optimized for maximum blending possibilities Feb 09 17:27:12 even if they don't help me out with canvas functionality, i should be able to achieve full color spectrum when the PDK is released Feb 09 17:27:48 I wonder if it would slow things down way to much if you had a double brush... base color (darkish) and white on top, at variable opacity... which would make each color variable... in addition to the blending you already have. Feb 09 17:27:59 but the light version will likely have a finite pallete forever Feb 09 17:28:06 makes sense... Feb 09 17:28:18 you requested early access to the PDK? Feb 09 17:28:44 not really. i've optimized the balls out of that drawing algorithm, and double drawing wouldn't hit it too hard Feb 09 17:29:01 i did not... Feb 09 17:29:13 maybe i still should? Feb 09 17:29:41 I did, (nothing yet) cause I wanted to get started on some stuff as soon as possible. Feb 09 17:29:50 the thing is, if they added just ONE composite mode, or supported the one that the docs say works "destination-in" then i would immediately have full color range already Feb 09 17:30:21 aint that the way. Feb 09 17:30:23 a couple of minor features on the canvas would go a very, very long way to improving it's potential Feb 09 17:30:33 agreed... Feb 09 17:31:08 but they definitely have a complete non-disclosure policy about the canvas. every question to every palm employee is "cannot comment" Feb 09 17:31:21 which, frankly, cannot be good Feb 09 17:31:23 Found a JS library that would allow me to do all kinds of image manipulation, but there is one thing missing in the canvas... So sad. Feb 09 17:31:39 haha ya, i probably know the same library as you are thinking Feb 09 17:31:45 though there are a few Feb 09 17:32:05 yah. The one I was looking at was pixastic Feb 09 17:32:08 yes Feb 09 17:32:09 it's nice Feb 09 17:32:10 very cool stuff. Feb 09 17:32:31 not that hard though. i've written a lot of image manipulation software in actionscript Feb 09 17:32:35 that i'd love to port to JS Feb 09 17:32:39 for webos Feb 09 17:33:22 nice. Personally I think even as the canvas improves, the PDK will be the way to have high performance with image manipulation. Feb 09 17:40:51 jtrucks: I think you are actually a robot, or immense artificial intelligence. Feb 09 17:41:18 lyht: Does not compute. Feb 09 17:48:32 done entirely in canvas: http://mugtug.com/sketchpad Feb 09 17:51:08 dylanmei: that is awesome Feb 09 17:51:18 isnt it? wish i did that Feb 09 17:51:47 dunno how well that would run if moved onto the pre but i bet it would be pretty good. Feb 09 17:51:54 also made out of canvas: http://freeciv.net Feb 09 17:52:23 dylanmei: yeah canvas is awesome Feb 09 17:52:30 ya seen that. i've avoided playing it tho, games make me not program :P Feb 09 17:52:47 need to mess with canvs in my next app Feb 09 17:52:51 games are evil that way Feb 09 17:53:00 so is IRC Feb 09 17:53:02 same here, i can't play games, will not do jack Feb 09 17:53:07 canvas is fun and painful all at the same time Feb 09 17:53:28 haha, yeah i get into 12 hour marathons like i'm a 15yr old kid again. not healthy. Feb 09 17:55:29 Do I have to uninstall Wordpress before installing Joomla on my site? Feb 09 17:57:00 i just got a response from precentral regarding developer access-> We usually only grant dev access to developers who have an app for the homebrew gallery. Got one? Feb 09 17:57:10 my app is in the app catalog.... is that good enough? Feb 09 17:57:39 they let me in, and i only have 1 app in teh catalog Feb 09 17:57:42 none in homebrew Feb 09 17:57:53 but it took him 1.5 weeks to respond Feb 09 17:57:59 okay. i don't know where the homebrew catalog is Feb 09 17:57:59 haeffb: I dont think so Feb 09 17:58:09 so i have to submit to it? Feb 09 17:58:16 dylanmei: its on precentral.net Feb 09 17:58:17 BUT Feb 09 17:58:28 you can't submit an app to homebrew and the catalog Feb 09 17:58:32 the same app that is Feb 09 17:58:37 it breaks palms policy Feb 09 17:58:45 violates* Feb 09 17:59:04 oh okay. well my app is referenced on their site as a catalog app, i'll just show him that. Feb 09 17:59:10 codeslaw: as long as the homebrew has a version number higher than app, I believe it's OK. Feb 09 17:59:14 i thought palm encouraged homebrew.... Feb 09 17:59:59 they do, but they want stuff in one place Feb 09 18:00:22 either / or Feb 09 18:01:00 you can have your beta out in homebrew. i.e. MyApp 1.2.1 in the catalog, MyApp 1.2.3 in homebrew. Feb 09 18:01:03 i see. well i'll tell this dieter person i'm in the app catalog and hope that it's fine. Feb 09 18:01:13 oooooh Feb 09 18:12:11 I link to my homepage in my app. all that traffic, according to google analytics, is direct traffic. is there a way to specify, without creating a special page on my site, which traffic came from people clicking the link on their phone? Feb 09 18:19:32 heya Feb 09 18:25:49 is there a way to link from my app right to the app catalog to show my app? for upgrade purposes? Feb 09 18:27:41 hmm Feb 09 18:27:59 call the browser with the link to the catalog? Feb 09 18:28:19 or ask the preware people how to call the app catalog directly, they're doing it Feb 09 18:42:34 bmyers Feb 09 18:42:36 yes Feb 09 18:42:43 the link to the app catalog only works within the device and within an application Feb 09 18:43:52 so if you put the link to your app (the URL listed in your app list in the developer app portal) that will bring up the app catalog and your app Feb 09 18:43:56 you would use the following to lauch the app catalog with your app "your app Feb 09 18:44:17 packageid=your_app_package Feb 09 18:44:53 lyht: sorry the above link is for a web browser Feb 09 18:45:41 LoneStar99: yah. Feb 09 18:45:48 lyht: this link opens the app catalog in the device http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.amazing.christmasmovie Feb 09 18:46:03 Bmyers: here is mine Feb 09 18:46:04 http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.orbsix.app.switcharoo Feb 09 18:46:30 preware call the app catalog directly but i don't know how they do it Feb 09 18:46:34 lyht: that is what you need to lauch the app catalog in the device Feb 09 18:46:42 swisstomcat: same way. Feb 09 18:46:47 i see Feb 09 18:46:53 they have not links given to them in the feed. Feb 09 18:47:04 ;P (not=the) Feb 09 18:47:15 swisstomcat: swiss bank Feb 09 18:47:31 hehe Feb 09 18:47:45 that in a scene will open the "switcharoo" app in the app catalog Feb 09 18:48:18 if you try it in the emulator nothing will happen Feb 09 18:48:38 when u click the link Feb 09 18:52:02 for me something happens... it says "App catalog not available at this time" I was trying to get the catalog to work in the emu. Got it installed, and tweaked, but it still wont open an app. :P Feb 09 18:52:55 lyht: it happened in my phone, when the palm profile was screwed up Feb 09 18:53:25 I guessed it had everything to do with the profile, since the emulator has none. Feb 09 19:02:17 weird Feb 09 19:02:41 i have "albacore" as the os in my tracking logs Feb 09 19:02:55 instead of "1.3.5.1" or "1.3.5.2" Feb 09 19:03:02 weird Feb 09 19:03:18 albacore tuna is awesome Feb 09 19:03:47 is there a way to copy files from my app directory into /media/internal? Feb 09 19:04:05 maybe it's a prerelease os version Feb 09 19:04:20 the model is pre as the other ones Feb 09 19:18:30 sugardave you around? Feb 09 19:36:27 What did the Cop tell the dude driving the Toyota? Feb 09 19:36:33 Rick_work: yeah, you got something for me? Feb 09 19:36:52 I do, you got 10 or 15 minutes to quickly read over something? Feb 09 19:37:20 sure, I need a few minutes first...you still have my email? Feb 09 19:38:04 lonestar: http://files.newsnetz.ch/bildlegende/20708/346254_pic_970x641.jpg Feb 09 19:38:45 sugardave I do Feb 09 19:40:00 email sent Feb 09 19:40:16 swisstomcat: nice cartoon! What did the Cop tell the dude driving the Toyota? Stop! Feb 09 19:44:07 god i hope google translate is working nicely for me Feb 09 19:44:18 Rick_work: got it, thanks...give me a bit Feb 09 19:44:30 hey swisstomcat do you speak german? somebody mentioned you did Feb 09 19:44:31 codeslaw: need a translation? Feb 09 19:44:36 would you mind? Feb 09 19:44:50 translate your app description? Feb 09 19:44:53 yes Feb 09 19:45:02 send it away Feb 09 19:45:12 incoming Feb 09 19:45:40 i wonder if i could offer a translation service Feb 09 19:45:46 for apps Feb 09 19:46:02 did you get my email, codeslaw? Feb 09 19:46:49 email address Feb 09 19:47:27 a service would be awesome Feb 09 19:47:40 i've worked with full scale translation companies in the past though -- horrible experience Feb 09 19:47:57 swisstomcat: you should! Feb 09 19:48:09 i'm thinking about it .. paid for paid apps for course Feb 09 19:48:27 yeah paid! Feb 09 19:48:52 yeah, i'll probably offer a service like that Feb 09 19:48:57 just have to think about pricing Feb 09 19:49:23 unless i just say: your app for free :) Feb 09 19:49:24 $19.95 Feb 09 19:49:27 lol Feb 09 19:49:53 and offer one language per release Feb 09 19:50:11 lol, that is like some lab I know of... Feb 09 19:50:20 a per word fee maybe? Feb 09 19:50:25 or flat-rate Feb 09 19:50:44 do it in block increments Feb 09 19:50:48 0.02 per word Feb 09 19:50:51 lol Feb 09 19:51:02 < 500 words, then between 500 and 1500, etc Feb 09 19:51:05 maybe 0.20 per word :) Feb 09 19:51:07 $1.99 per word and per language, you will make $Millions Feb 09 19:51:24 $1.99 per word is a bit steep $100 words is $199 Feb 09 19:51:34 s/$100/100 Feb 09 19:51:34 I need someone that speaks french Feb 09 19:51:47 parle vou francias Feb 09 19:51:53 oui oui Feb 09 19:51:56 have paypal built into your app, just like a casino, need another word, pay now! Feb 09 19:51:57 i know someone who does Feb 09 19:52:03 course i don't know french and that is probably spelled wrong but I will charge india translation rates :) Feb 09 19:52:41 i could offer german and french Feb 09 19:52:43 lyht - are you in the U.S.? Feb 09 19:53:05 yup Feb 09 19:53:55 lyht - my experiance is, I can generally get the documentation for a program and the prompts and etc translated the cheapest by going over to the local high school and having a chat with the head of the foreign language department. Feb 09 19:54:11 Rick_work: very interesting. Feb 09 19:54:37 just make sure ou spell "Czech Republic" - "Check Republic" http://www.freagair.com/swapoid/p/search/106571/6/ Feb 09 19:54:56 Typically, most teachers will work for a very reasonable hourly rate rather than per-word, and generally, they'll sit with me to do it, so that I can answer their questions. Feb 09 19:55:13 good idea about the hourly rate Feb 09 19:55:37 Although for this, I may want someone that lives in canada... because it is for the messages in manic 8 ball, would like to have local idioms Feb 09 19:56:02 yep. $20 or $25 an hour with them setting next to you can provide VERY high through-put. Feb 09 19:56:34 that's why you talk to the head of the department. Perhaps there's someone in the dept who subscribes to french-canadian papers, or to french-canadian TV. it's not at all uncommon. Feb 09 19:57:13 unless you're in east-podunk kansas... you should be all good. Feb 09 19:58:55 i've been to east-podunk. NOT the side of town you hit for a latte and a muffin Feb 09 20:00:09 nope. Feb 09 20:00:49 cheap beer with polish sausages and pickled eggs out of a big glass jar Feb 09 20:02:14 Rick_work: nice! Feb 09 20:02:16 I was at a customer's a while ago, where the only place in town to buy lunch was at the local filling station. The owner had two George Forman grills behind the counter and did burgers on demand. :-) and cheap beer and etc.... Feb 09 20:05:08 haha george forman burgers, ya i've had em Feb 09 20:06:10 mmmm .. burgers Feb 09 20:13:42 hallo metaview Feb 09 20:16:53 hi swisstomcat Feb 09 20:17:08 how were the mountains? Feb 09 20:17:59 nice, enough snow for skiing Feb 09 20:18:20 we had like 1meter Feb 09 20:18:38 did you use maptool for skiing? Feb 09 20:18:41 oh, it wasn't that much, less than last year Feb 09 20:18:52 I tried and made some trackas Feb 09 20:19:07 coverage wasn't always good Feb 09 20:19:27 but I used it for the train ride to see how far we are and what the next stations are Feb 09 20:19:32 worked fine Feb 09 20:25:02 Rick_work: this.$ is going to haunt me, I think Feb 09 20:25:12 nodnod Feb 09 20:25:20 but there's really no other way in ares. Feb 09 20:25:34 I've made $ = this.controller.get in my brain Feb 09 20:26:05 nodnod. But this.controller.get doesn't WORK in Ares because the object names ARE NOT what you think they are. Feb 09 20:26:26 how to make a multi-stage app then? Feb 09 20:26:43 MetaView -- what do you mean? Feb 09 20:26:44 * sugardave goes back to reading. Feb 09 20:27:18 multistage app: $() doesn't work Feb 09 20:27:51 true. Feb 09 20:28:00 but that's not the point here. Feb 09 20:28:08 ok Feb 09 20:28:38 And most developers working in Ares are not going to be doing multi-stage. -- hell, of the 1000+ apps in the app catalog, the number that are multi-stage can be counted on human digits. Feb 09 20:29:11 well, I have the second app now, which isn't multi-stage but needs an app-asistant Feb 09 20:29:28 nodnod. which is fine. Feb 09 20:29:28 for relaunching, like alarms etc. Feb 09 20:30:40 in komodo edit what is the command fo "goto line" Feb 09 20:33:41 "Control + G" Feb 09 20:34:10 morning Feb 09 20:34:33 g'day Feb 09 20:37:11 morning Feb 09 20:45:02 my audio stuff stops working again... Feb 09 20:45:06 sugardave -- thoughts? Feb 09 20:45:20 metaview: what problems? Feb 09 20:45:44 it worked in 1.3.5 since I added the audio div tag Feb 09 20:45:51 ÜberRadio it is Feb 09 20:46:00 in 1.4.0 it stops working again... Feb 09 20:46:01 what made it stop? Feb 09 20:46:05 yeah Feb 09 20:46:20 [20100209-21:28:36.124603] error: TypeError: Cannot read property 'document' of undefined Feb 09 20:46:20 metaview: pm Feb 09 20:46:24 ok Feb 09 20:48:46 Rick_work: excellent for cementing what I realized the other day....also good for pointing out the setWidgetModel fetchModelProperty system Feb 09 20:48:51 just finished Feb 09 20:48:56 there are some bugs :D Feb 09 20:49:07 sugardave no doubt. Feb 09 20:49:19 but yeah, very nice Feb 09 20:49:37 I haven't even TRIED to edit it, that's pure first draft as it came off my fingers. Feb 09 20:50:01 Working now on Chap 4 -- real programmers use version control. Feb 09 20:50:14 cool...I did make notes if you change your mind :D Feb 09 20:50:25 oh, I'll take your notes. Just email them. Feb 09 20:50:32 np Feb 09 20:50:46 I just didn't want you to think I insisted on that, I wanted a read over for tone and level. Feb 09 20:53:17 sugardave and rick are working on a book? Feb 09 20:53:48 sugardave did a quick readover of a chapter of a book for me, I needed someone to glance at it for level and tone. Feb 09 20:55:07 Rick_work: oh well, it's what I do in my job, so it's basically automatic Feb 09 20:55:22 thanks. It wasn't too flippant? Feb 09 20:55:25 but the level and tone for an Ares n00b is perfect Feb 09 20:55:44 not at all, I like some un-roboticness in my stuff Feb 09 20:57:47 anyone have recent app update wait times? Feb 09 20:59:23 sugardave 3 edits in the whole thing? (ignoring punctuation and grammer issues) Wow. thanks. Feb 09 20:59:59 yeah, I totally didn't comb it for grammar..figured you'd have a real editor for that :D Feb 09 21:00:42 If you want a pre-edit, my rates could be reasonable :D Feb 09 21:01:35 hey, i could translate the book to german Feb 09 21:01:54 For that, you get to negotiate with Manning (after I finish it) Feb 09 21:01:57 i'm sure there's interest here for something in the local language Feb 09 21:02:15 and yes Dave, I will edit for that stuff before I submit it, but I'm trying to get text out today. Feb 09 21:02:37 ah, I see Feb 09 21:02:39 cool Feb 09 21:07:10 Rick_work: webos book? Feb 09 21:07:56 Ares In Action. Feb 09 21:08:13 forthcoming from Manning Publications later this year. Feb 09 21:08:21 after I get it written. Feb 09 21:10:18 word Feb 09 21:11:21 is there a way to retrieve the OS version? Feb 09 21:11:57 you know what I _really_ love about Ares? The Collapsible. It is HARD to make those things work nicely in regular code. Feb 09 21:12:07 yep Feb 09 21:12:16 Mojo.Env.build Feb 09 21:12:53 So, Rick_work, the docs say that canvas composite mode "destination-in" is supported, but it doesn't work. is that considered a bug, or a documentation error Feb 09 21:14:44 Mojo.Environment.DeviceInfo.platformVersion Feb 09 21:15:27 http://webos101.com/DeviceInfo Feb 09 21:15:29 :D Feb 09 21:16:04 yep Feb 09 21:16:09 got it from there :) Feb 09 21:16:13 heh Feb 09 21:16:22 ok, why isn't it in the Palm docs? Feb 09 21:16:24 needs people with Pluses to fill in some blanks Feb 09 21:17:48 wish i could get a gsm plus Feb 09 21:18:15 yeah, that would be nice Feb 09 21:18:41 then my current device would become the dev device Feb 09 21:18:51 maybe the french will get the plus Feb 09 21:20:20 what is platform version supposed to returnß Feb 09 21:21:27 1.3.5.1 or 1.3.5.2 Feb 09 21:21:38 ok, thx Feb 09 21:21:59 codeslaw I think that's a really good question to ask in the developer.palm.com forums Feb 09 21:22:15 hahahaha Feb 09 21:22:57 codeslaw_: go ask them and see what they say :D Feb 09 21:23:15 not many answers to canvas questions in the forums tho Feb 09 21:23:32 ya, i have asked that question, multiple times in the forums Feb 09 21:23:47 i'm giving up and waiting for flash Feb 09 21:23:58 if canvas get's beefed up, pleasant surprise Feb 09 21:24:10 Does anyone know where we can tell Palm about webkit bugs that have been fixed but aren't in the WebOS build? Feb 09 21:24:22 hahahaha Feb 09 21:24:32 sorry, I'm easily amused today Feb 09 21:24:39 =P Feb 09 21:24:53 codeslaw: chuqui has been cagey about upcoming Webkit improvements Feb 09 21:24:58 yeah Feb 09 21:25:20 not just chuq, all the palm-people we have access to talk to really Feb 09 21:25:23 which is understandable Feb 09 21:25:27 precentral writes: webos 1.4 to land feb 15th Feb 09 21:25:37 mmm....delicious Feb 09 21:25:43 codeslaw: you should try to catch lemketron if he's here Feb 09 21:25:55 can't wait to post 10^6 cat videos on youtube Feb 09 21:26:11 man, the school kids around here have Feb 15 off AND the 12th Feb 09 21:26:20 a 4-day weekend for Valentine's day? really? Feb 09 21:26:25 lemketron: please notify your WebKit team that this bug is fixed, but not in the WebOS build http://markmail.org/message/b3y5ckfxn6bi63tt Feb 09 21:26:59 lemketron: here's the official bug tracking thread https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17733 Feb 09 21:31:39 sugardave: haha why the 12th? Feb 09 21:31:47 15th is presidents day i think Feb 09 21:32:41 sugardave: budget issues maybe? Is it a furlough? Feb 09 21:33:01 I think the schools in CA have had some days like that Feb 09 21:33:50 anyone know if php strtotime is tha same as unix epoch time? Feb 09 21:37:05 LoneStar99: according to this it returns UNIX time Feb 09 21:37:06 http://php.net/manual/en/function.strtotime.php Feb 09 21:37:22 pandora--, jfelectron I think it's some teacher in-service day or something on the 12th Feb 09 21:38:12 jfelectron: yeah, just trown off by the "epoch time" bit Feb 09 21:38:54 unix epoch==milliseconds since Jan 1. 1970 Feb 09 21:41:07 jfelectron: thanks, i think there is something wrong with my code... Feb 09 21:43:54 jfelectron: yeah... CA govt is super f*cked right now Feb 09 21:43:58 * pandora-- lives in CA Feb 09 21:44:26 so do I...its unbelievably more of a cluster f*ck than the Fed gov is Feb 09 21:44:47 two-thirds majority to pass a budget....freakin impossible Feb 09 21:45:37 and next year is supposed to be a BIGGER deficit than this year Feb 09 21:45:41 how the F is that possible? Feb 09 21:45:43 crazy Feb 09 21:46:01 jfelectron: norcal Feb 09 21:46:02 ? Feb 09 21:46:12 cali -- you know what to do. legalize. Feb 09 21:46:30 pandora--: Berkeley...I'm a grad student Feb 09 21:47:12 g'night everyone Feb 09 21:47:30 jfelectron: cool Feb 09 21:47:46 pandora--: You? N/S? Feb 09 21:47:51 codeslaw_: it is legalized Feb 09 21:48:11 jfelectron: los angeles. currently.. la monsoon. Feb 09 21:48:22 completely? i haven't been keeping up with the news. i knew it was up for vote Feb 09 21:48:48 pandora--: yeah....we got deluged a few days ago...not like you guys though :( Feb 09 21:49:30 codeslaw: not to everyone...but the bar to getting a medical pot card is very very low and the FED under Obama isn't prosecuting in states with MM laws Feb 09 21:49:50 codeslaw_: CA law it's legal with medical prescription, and legal to sell with a permit. but Fed law still has it as illegal, which causes some problems Feb 09 21:50:28 ah ya, i knew all that, but i thought it was up for vote to be legal for recreational use, with the benefit of major tax revenue Feb 09 21:50:35 a few years ago "stress" was allowed as a "condition" to warrant a medical marijuana prescription Feb 09 21:50:53 oh, ya still not available at your local 7-11 Feb 09 21:50:54 :) Feb 09 21:51:02 haha Feb 09 21:51:35 i know a guy that said he was "stressed" that he couldn't find any weed. so he got the prescription. Feb 09 21:51:38 *sigh* Feb 09 21:51:39 Cali: needs tom legalize the ganga and tax on it! Feb 09 21:51:50 lol Feb 09 21:52:07 that is the only way out if the debt! Feb 09 21:52:11 lol Feb 09 21:52:15 a lot of people say that Feb 09 21:52:24 and honestly, there's a fair amount of arguments for it Feb 09 21:52:27 honestly it is true Feb 09 21:52:50 tax it at 20% and you will have billions in no time! Feb 09 21:52:52 and a few valid against it, but none which wouldn't also be valid against alcohol Feb 09 21:53:22 everyone in cali smokes out! Feb 09 21:54:11 LoneStar99: ... Feb 09 21:54:17 politicians, businessmen, kids, wifes, mothers, military, police, etc... Feb 09 21:54:19 ok, well, most of them uya Feb 09 21:54:20 ya Feb 09 21:54:34 definitely not my bag, but whatevs Feb 09 21:54:58 i'd rather have a bunch of dazed potheads than drunk wifebeaters :) Feb 09 21:55:03 i'd legalize it Feb 09 21:55:05 :D Feb 09 21:55:21 lol Feb 09 21:55:22 yeah Feb 09 21:56:12 it is more of a taboo to smoke a cigarette, than "big killer" in golden state Feb 09 21:56:34 though, i also know more responsible alcohol drinkers than responsible weed smokers Feb 09 21:57:02 seems you can have one or two drinks and be cool, easier than you can have a few bowls and not cut your IQ in half for a few hours Feb 09 21:57:03 haha Feb 09 21:57:11 lol Feb 09 22:01:00 Its silly...you can go home everyone night and 'unwind' with a six-pack and beat the shit out of your kids and that's all legal (well not the domestic abuse)....but smoke a joint and you're a criminal Feb 09 22:02:15 jfelectron: yeah, alcohol is way more destructive in my opinion Feb 09 22:02:37 i don't smoke, so I'd like to think my point of view is unbiased on the matter Feb 09 22:03:04 I don't smoke either Feb 09 22:04:01 hm Feb 09 22:04:18 so which part of the population in CA is the ultra-taboo on it? Feb 09 22:04:41 i don't smoke either, but from what I have seen "happy smokes" are not a big problem Feb 09 22:04:59 pandora: not sure Feb 09 22:05:33 i think most of the population of cali, are closet "smokers" Feb 09 22:36:21 Hey chuq, I got a quick question for you. Feb 09 22:36:55 I know that you will delete bad reviews that say the "app won't install" or "I get a card error" when opening Feb 09 22:37:15 but what about reviews that say it wont work, and it wont work because they are running old webOS versions? Feb 09 22:37:37 At first release of my app, I said it works for 1.0.0, which I have no changed to be more current. Feb 09 22:39:23 now* changed Feb 09 22:54:22 okay... maybe it isn't a quick quesition Feb 09 22:54:27 question* Feb 09 23:02:09 * Rick_work heading home. Feb 09 23:02:36 sugardave expect a copy of "real programmers use version control" in your email soon. Feb 09 23:14:10 Tibfib: how do you figure out what version to require? Feb 09 23:15:17 anyone know what this type of time is called: 2008-11-04T23:42:29Z Feb 09 23:15:21 the format Feb 09 23:18:04 jfelectron: you test your app on old versions Feb 09 23:18:44 Tibfib: ahhh OK, thought maybe there was an easier way.....I don't have the old SDKs though Feb 09 23:19:46 Yeah I just picked 1.3.1 Feb 09 23:20:10 Didn't formally test it Feb 09 23:21:51 Just don't pick 1.0 Feb 09 23:22:07 I got someone running 1.1 tell me my app didn't work Feb 09 23:23:09 LoneStar99: I think that is the ISO time format. Feb 09 23:23:10 sugardave: 12th is Lincoln's birthday. 15th is President's day Feb 09 23:23:42 * haeffb has a four-day weekend coming up. Feb 09 23:23:51 me too! Feb 09 23:23:55 LoneStar99: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601 Feb 09 23:24:02 wait just kidding, only three days Feb 09 23:24:52 Rick_work: awesome, can't wait...just set up a mercurial at bitbucket Feb 09 23:25:10 Robdor: awesome thanks, Feb 09 23:48:21 sugardave I'm going to focus on svn. Feb 09 23:49:09 rick-home: let me know if you need another reader. I could stand to learn a bit about version control... Feb 09 23:56:56 aint that the truth Feb 09 23:59:08 meh... once you go git, you never go back :-p Feb 09 23:59:29 and i really misunderstood that beast until i read this: http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/~cduan/technical/git/ Feb 10 00:00:00 not a typical tutorial on a version control system Feb 10 00:00:21 http://www.gitcasts.com/posts/git-on-windows Feb 10 00:03:17 I often refer people to the Understanding Git slides at http://cluedumps.mit.edu/ Feb 10 00:04:55 i really like the conceptual tutorial because it quite effectively bridges the abyss of confusion between client-server VCSs and DVCSs Feb 10 00:19:56 hello ivanst Feb 10 00:20:05 oi :) Feb 10 00:20:26 how's it hanging? Feb 10 00:22:22 good, just working on some time bugs Feb 10 00:22:43 how is croatia? Feb 10 00:23:30 snowy and cold Feb 10 00:26:14 i bet, got a cold front today but is is 49.7F here Feb 10 00:26:58 it's just a bit over 34 right now in zagreb Feb 10 00:30:38 how is your webos dev going? Feb 10 00:31:44 it's snowed ~6 inches so far here. Feb 10 00:31:47 5-6. Feb 10 00:32:31 Kuraiou: where u at? Feb 10 00:32:35 Chicago Feb 10 00:32:48 LoneStar99: i've been doing some other stuff... i've set my FB client free :) Feb 10 00:33:25 ooooh Feb 10 00:33:26 nice Feb 10 00:33:34 if you want a beta tester I can help you out Feb 10 00:33:49 ivanst: FB client for webos? Feb 10 00:33:55 yup Feb 10 00:34:07 i think i have seen it Feb 10 00:34:37 i'm kind of pissed off about doing an open source project that nobody really wants to support. FB's original client is utter crap, but they don't want to open up the API enough to implement a decent alternative Feb 10 00:35:15 nobody wants to support your FB client? Feb 10 00:35:38 well, to be precise: FB doesn't have any interest in letting people create "alternative" clients Feb 10 00:36:09 oh, i see, that makes sense Feb 10 00:36:11 which makes it difficult to write one - you are basically locked out of writing a client, at the API level... Feb 10 00:36:46 yeah, their api is very basic, which makes it difficult to make something good Feb 10 00:36:46 which also explains why some FB clients for webOS look like they are just the ordinary FB mobile page with different stylesheets ;-) Feb 10 00:37:12 rick-home: it's no problem, I will adapt Feb 10 00:37:32 still, i think there's a nifty amount of things that work in my little toy... and if your friends aren't too paranoid about their settings, you might actually find it worthwhile to use! Feb 10 00:37:54 ivanst: i thought the FB API was somewhat extensive... Feb 10 00:38:33 LoneStar99: extensive yes, permissive no. check this out for instance: Feb 10 00:39:05 "This method returns all comments associated with a post in a user's stream. This method returns comments only if the user who owns the post (that is, the user published the post to his or her profile) has authorized your application." Feb 10 00:39:07 oh i see, so the games made for FB, need basic permissions? Feb 10 00:39:55 oh that sucks Feb 10 00:40:00 the games really access only a thin layer of "your" data on facebook... stuff such as reading other people's comments, or even accessing your user's inbox are impossible... Feb 10 00:40:15 so if there is 400 comments, you need 400 permissions.... Feb 10 00:40:26 no Feb 10 00:40:42 you just need all your friends to add the app so you can read stuff other people comment on their posts Feb 10 00:41:31 so, if i'm your FB friend, and i want to read comments on the photo you posted to your wall, you need to add BlueWasp to your app list and give it permissions in order for me to be able to see the comments from my webOS device Feb 10 00:41:48 which is kinda back-asswards Feb 10 00:41:51 got it, seems like to many dam permissions, seems like the windows vista "permission" boxes, to do this and that Feb 10 00:42:19 actually, it's not the number of permissions, it's more of "who needs to give permissions" Feb 10 00:43:11 the really sad part is - there's something more complicated going on under the hood than just what is documented Feb 10 00:43:49 i mean, sometimes i can pick up the comments even if the author doesn't have my BlueWasp client installed, and sometimes i cannot. but i just couldn't pinpoint the cause. oh, well... Feb 10 00:44:04 it's an interesting bunch of webOS code if you feel like looking at it... Feb 10 00:44:32 why not is it on a server? Feb 10 00:44:58 http://github.com/ivanstojic/bluewasp Feb 10 00:45:15 i'm just about to tag it so you can download a tarball instead of having to use git ;-) Feb 10 00:46:29 did dot know what git was until about 2 weeks ago, Feb 10 00:46:59 downloaded some "git" port on freebsd - and turned out to be some completely different app than "Git" Feb 10 00:49:16 tarball? is the link on the page somewhere? Feb 10 00:49:19 time to write a poem in Iambic Pentameter. Feb 10 00:49:28 ah git Feb 10 00:49:33 git is so confusing to me, I do not know why. Feb 10 00:49:35 I grew up using svn. Feb 10 00:50:19 git is a little weird Feb 10 00:50:23 if you're used to svn Feb 10 00:50:43 LoneStar99: i've tagget the current version so you can just download a tarball or zip from http://github.com/ivanstojic/bluewasp/downloads Feb 10 00:51:39 Kuraiou: would you mind if i /msg you? Feb 10 00:57:33 ivanst: downloaded, bluewasp, will check it out, did you submit the app to the app catalog? Feb 10 00:57:40 thanks for the app cat link thing LoneStar99: Feb 10 00:57:52 LoneStar99: nope, never... it's incomplete at best at the moment Feb 10 00:58:08 * ivanst remembers that he needs to add a license to the source Feb 10 00:58:12 Bmyers: which link? Feb 10 00:58:36 from a fews hours ago Feb 10 00:58:49 about how to link to your own app in the catalog Feb 10 00:59:15 well, several hours.. Feb 10 00:59:20 oh yeah, no problem, learned by making a search engine app: http://urloid.com/app2 Feb 10 01:00:25 why did you choose to sell app cat and forgo the ads revenue? Feb 10 01:01:29 wanted to centralize everything, did not want to have to go to this site and that site, etc.. to check on progress Feb 10 01:02:09 but the cool thing about webos apps, you can change "pricing" or "free" with every release Feb 10 01:02:25 no i mean, why sell it? why no do the free w/advertising ? Feb 10 01:03:00 i might make if free, once i make back the $50 bucks Feb 10 01:03:07 ivanst: sure. Feb 10 01:03:12 I have no prejudices against messaging! Feb 10 01:03:16 * Kuraiou is very late to respond to things, though. Feb 10 01:04:27 well anyway. doing that link on the device results in the app catalog being brought up, correct? Feb 10 01:06:01 the urloid app or the developer.palm.com/appredirect ? Feb 10 01:06:22 oh Feb 10 01:06:26 the urloid is a wrapper around it. Feb 10 01:06:28 confusing o_o Feb 10 01:06:33 yeah, try it out, has to be the this: http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.buildasearch.appcat NOT THIS http://developer.palm.com/webChannel/index.php?packageid=com.buildasearch.appcat Feb 10 01:06:42 yeah, it has to be appredirect. Feb 10 01:07:07 ALSO. I am totes going to put a little ajax function in my help file to get a list of packages available for download so I can dynamically populate all my programs with all my other programs. Feb 10 01:07:12 links to^ Feb 10 01:09:09 btw, have any of you experienced connectivity problems with their Pre? calls going straight to voicemail, SMS messages being delayed for hours, etc? Feb 10 01:09:44 i've been running my pre with all data connectivity disabled for a few days, but the problems are still persisting :-/ Feb 10 01:10:03 Bmyers: also remember, the link will not work in the emulotor, clicking in emulator will get nothing. test on device to make sure it is working correctly Feb 10 01:11:00 ah,right. thanks.. Feb 10 01:12:18 i am writing a check-in method for my app to look for updates when it runs Feb 10 01:12:41 i grab the nduid and will sql that away for future reference Feb 10 01:12:49 anything else I should get? Feb 10 01:13:15 Bymers: i only have nuid and app version Feb 10 01:13:59 Bymers: &version="+Mojo.Controller.appInfo.version Feb 10 01:14:05 is it against policy to get an email address the user entered in my app? Feb 10 01:14:17 their email address? Feb 10 01:14:36 not sure, Feb 10 01:15:50 ivanst: I have had problems with calls going straight to voicemail, but that's usually in areas of really poor connectivity, and it's intermittent, not frequent at all Feb 10 01:16:28 meh... something is really fishy about my unit then... i'm still not sure if it's the SIM card or the device itself Feb 10 01:16:41 sometimes it disconnects from the mobile network and just stays offline for hours Feb 10 01:17:07 till i poke it in some way - say by trying to make an outgoing call, then i usually get a bunch of messages, missed call notifications, etc... Feb 10 01:17:23 i'll try to swap my current "testing" sim for another testing sim and see what happens Feb 10 01:25:50 hi all! Feb 10 01:31:25 hola JenP Feb 10 01:31:36 Hi LoneStar99 Feb 10 01:34:31 buenos nochas Feb 10 01:35:08 buenos dias and buenas noches Feb 10 01:35:28 good evening people Feb 10 01:35:31 s Feb 10 01:35:49 evening Feb 10 01:36:07 i only lived in AZ for 20 years.. Feb 10 01:36:13 not a fast learner.. Feb 10 01:37:04 konban wa Feb 10 01:37:17 hi Bmyers Feb 10 01:37:27 Hi Jenp! Feb 10 01:37:40 Lost is on. R u Lost? Feb 10 01:37:51 LOL...nope Feb 10 01:37:59 my wife got me into it Feb 10 01:38:09 something to do after football Feb 10 01:39:03 did u go to Hawaii for the Lost party? Feb 10 01:39:18 so, can anyone attest to a new user app download spike that correlates with updates? Feb 10 01:39:23 no. i wouldnt need a lost party to go to hawaii Feb 10 01:39:44 i would just need a boat.. Feb 10 01:40:06 and gps Feb 10 01:40:28 yeah, heard bout it on NPR the other day Feb 10 01:40:38 lost party ? Feb 10 01:40:42 TOTN? Feb 10 01:40:49 folks from all over the world at a lost party Feb 10 01:41:11 yeah i'm not that much into it.. Feb 10 01:42:20 not sure, trying to find it Feb 10 01:43:28 I'd guess that was All Things Considered...seems like the touchy feely shite they like to talk about in between dying people of the world Feb 10 01:43:45 dying people and corrupt governments Feb 10 01:43:54 http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=123214955 Feb 10 01:44:15 ahh OK Morning Edition....same diff :) Feb 10 01:44:24 I love NPR don't get me wrong Feb 10 01:44:45 yeah, sometimes they really do have some lame ass stories.... Feb 10 01:47:26 for example: some lady sitting in her house bored writes a best seller: "Vaccum and They Will Come" - a book about how a vaccum cleaner changed her life etc... Feb 10 01:47:55 yeah...or how Paul the farmer with his 3 cows really captures the American spirit Feb 10 01:48:08 lol yeah Feb 10 01:48:26 nothing beats Paul Harvey. Feb 10 01:48:33 And now you know... the rest of the story. Feb 10 01:48:46 Yeah Rst of the story rocks! Feb 10 01:52:57 anyone excited about BioShock2? Feb 10 01:53:13 * haeffb doesn't know BioShock1 Feb 10 01:53:15 jfelectron: heck yeah! Feb 10 01:53:30 hi haeffb Feb 10 01:53:38 JenP: man...can't wait to crack it open. Picking it up tonight :) Feb 10 01:54:11 haeffb: awesome, creepy videogame....set in a dystopian undersea society Feb 10 01:54:29 seriously?!? waiting for weekend.. Feb 10 01:54:52 i have small children who are recently out of the diaper phase. Bioshock sounds like a bad day from back then. Feb 10 01:55:31 hahaha Feb 10 01:56:16 lol Feb 10 01:56:38 Bymers: do they refer to you as BigDaddy? Feb 10 01:56:59 and do you don a diving suit for protection? Feb 10 01:57:14 hehehe Feb 10 01:57:19 :) Feb 10 01:57:29 ;-) Feb 10 01:59:04 bleh i'm beat... Feb 10 02:01:16 hi JenP Feb 10 02:01:28 hi haeffb! Feb 10 02:01:32 how are you? Feb 10 02:01:57 good. working on website. well, thinking about working on website. Feb 10 02:02:15 smiles...i totally understand Feb 10 02:04:13 wtf....why does mojo sometimes not get attached to widget elements after setupWidget...widget is clearly there because it loads :/ Feb 10 02:05:33 anyone have any ideas who is in the lead for the hot apps competition so far? Feb 10 02:06:54 jfelectron: what are you trying to do? Feb 10 02:07:01 codeslaw: no idea... Feb 10 02:07:14 i wish they'd put up a leaderboard Feb 10 02:07:51 codeslaw: pretty sure it's not me. Feb 10 02:08:00 LoneStar99: here's the deal....I push a scene and everything gets setup fine. That scene gets poped and then pushed again and the widgets get setup because I can see them...but the mojo namespace doesn't get attached Feb 10 02:08:01 haeffb: paid or free? Feb 10 02:08:02 same here Feb 10 02:08:11 yes Feb 10 02:08:44 LoneStar99: the setup method the scene assistant is run again, no errors Feb 10 02:09:09 i know the game helicopter is probably in the lead, it launched same day as i did, feb 1, and has like 43k Feb 10 02:09:32 LoneStar99: when I try to do widgetElement.mojo.widgetMethod Feb 10 02:09:51 jfelectron: about putting some of the code in activate: "FirstAssistant.prototype.activate = function(event) {" Feb 10 02:10:07 could Feb 10 02:15:40 i noticed, that certain, events do not take effect unless they are in activate: for example: folks choose their background - once the background scene is popped the color takes immediate effect if placed in FirstAssistant.prototype.activate., setup will only take effect only on the initial launch or relaunch of the app. Feb 10 02:16:44 hi haeefb Feb 10 02:16:54 hi haeffb haeffe Feb 10 02:16:56 _pre Feb 10 02:17:01 hi haeffb Feb 10 02:17:03 whoever you are today.. Feb 10 02:17:19 hello peeps Feb 10 02:19:18 LoneStar99: hmmm...so this.controller.instatiateChildWidgets worked Feb 10 02:20:01 I did this.controller.instantiateChildWidgets(this.controller.get('widgetdiv').up())) Feb 10 02:20:23 hmm... Feb 10 02:20:27 in the setup? Feb 10 02:39:24 joomla working Feb 10 02:39:24 http://www.tigercountrysoftware.com/ Feb 10 02:39:58 now have to find/create/edit a good template Feb 10 02:47:45 bmyers: what is section vs category in joomla? Feb 10 02:48:00 sorry Bmyers Feb 10 02:48:33 nice haeffb Feb 10 02:48:59 meh. not yet. it'll get better... :) Feb 10 02:52:44 its a start. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Feb 10 02:59:58 2010