**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Feb 11 02:59:57 2010 Feb 11 03:01:22 doh, may have to go to Palm for this one Feb 11 03:01:35 Tibfib: you didn't disable the scene scroller did you? Feb 11 03:01:39 Any idea why my div with x-mojo-scroll-fade='bottom' does'nt show up? Feb 11 03:01:39 nope Feb 11 03:02:17 Do I need to make some call to set them up in my scene? Feb 11 03:04:11 reality9110: doc are you still there? Feb 11 03:05:37 scottb: as I recall I had to go hunting through style matters and copy their fade arrow pngs and really mutilate my html to make it work right Feb 11 03:08:24 Tibfib: will this.controller.get('mojo-scene-' + sceneName + '-scene-scroller'); work? Feb 11 03:09:19 lemme try Feb 11 03:09:46 I think that's the name...verify it in inspector Feb 11 03:09:59 Havent used the inspector... :O Feb 11 03:10:06 oh, you should Feb 11 03:10:08 sugardave: Ouch =/ Feb 11 03:10:18 if you can make it work, it's very helpful Feb 11 03:10:26 and it gets better with every release Feb 11 03:10:44 nope... blank scene Feb 11 03:11:02 Tibfib: what is it that you are trying to do? Feb 11 03:11:14 Quick poll out of curiosity, how many of you guys came from a javascript background before staring pre dev? Feb 11 03:11:26 not me Feb 11 03:11:34 sugardave: well right now I'm just trying to get a scroller function to work... Feb 11 03:11:48 I need to check to see if the scroller is at the bottom and then if it is do something Feb 11 03:12:26 I might have to ask my question on the dev forums Feb 11 03:12:53 Although.... I am not running a 1.3.5 emu, maybe it's a bug Feb 11 03:13:24 scottb: this is my first shot at programming 'for real' Feb 11 03:13:41 scottb: Never programmed until webOS Feb 11 03:14:03 Hmm, interesting Feb 11 03:14:13 Props to you guys :) Feb 11 03:14:25 probably a bad idea... >.< Feb 11 03:14:26 You couldn't have picked a more backwards language to start with :P Feb 11 03:14:46 But javascript is probably the most enjoyable language I've ever worked in Feb 11 03:15:03 I like javascript... but the more I use PHP, the more I like it Feb 11 03:15:04 scottb: I've been enjoying it immensely Feb 11 03:15:16 the more I like PHP Feb 11 03:15:40 Tibfib: I'm sorry! Feb 11 03:16:02 I like PHP, too...I wield it like a giant club Feb 11 03:16:02 Well, I take that back Feb 11 03:16:24 PHP is great because it's so easy to jump into and write code Feb 11 03:16:35 WOE be unto your database transaction queue! Feb 11 03:32:17 hello Feb 11 03:35:25 Hello Feb 11 03:35:47 is your app still being reviewed/ Feb 11 03:35:49 ? Feb 11 03:35:52 Yeah -_- Feb 11 03:36:05 since when? Feb 11 03:36:13 Monday Feb 11 03:36:33 oh ok, it should not be much longer Feb 11 03:36:50 still have not been able to win a set =( Feb 11 03:36:53 I hope not! Feb 11 03:36:56 It's killing me ;P Feb 11 03:37:03 Really? Feb 11 03:37:15 What difficulty level? Feb 11 03:37:28 have not played that much, once in awhile Feb 11 03:37:49 easy Feb 11 03:38:24 I'm working on mine sweeper with alternate ways of playing the classic game :) Feb 11 03:38:42 Getting close to being able to tackle some bigger app ideas Feb 11 03:38:57 that is great! Feb 11 03:42:01 scottb: what do you use to keep the state "color" on tap? Feb 11 03:42:27 On the gems in the first row? Feb 11 03:43:57 say I tap "red" on bottom - how does do you keep track that I tapped on red Feb 11 03:44:17 this.activeColor = 'red' Feb 11 03:44:28 The event sets a variable Feb 11 03:45:17 have a tap issue need to figure out, after I play "code breaker" Feb 11 04:03:58 woohoo! Myles published! Feb 11 04:05:47 Bmyers: wut up? Feb 11 04:06:04 hey congrats Feb 11 04:06:10 how long was it? Feb 11 04:06:30 sunday Feb 11 04:08:38 haeffb: congrats Feb 11 04:09:00 Great Haeffb! Feb 11 04:10:02 CONGRATS haeffb!!!! Feb 11 04:10:55 Myles? Feb 11 04:11:07 thanks, peeps. Looks like I've made 0.86 * 8 already!!! Feb 11 04:11:26 Myles - track your mileage for IRS or business expenses. Feb 11 04:11:34 ah, cool Feb 11 04:11:36 already got a review too Feb 11 04:11:46 i'm so happy for you! Feb 11 04:12:36 I should give you your first 0 star, "Can'T InStALl!!! DOesN"T work!" Feb 11 04:13:43 or "DOESNT MEASURE IN INCHES" Feb 11 04:13:58 It would be something more obscure than that Feb 11 04:14:12 If you enter the data in inches, it measures in inches... Feb 11 04:14:22 "doesn't install on my iPhone" ? Feb 11 04:14:39 Hey, I'm also 2 for 2 in submitting apps that are published with no review comments. Feb 11 04:14:52 just bought it haeffb will leave a comment soon Feb 11 04:15:05 Or what is Postal Code Feb 11 04:15:30 is it compatible with my Palm Pilot? Feb 11 04:15:48 Damn that idiot Postal Code person Feb 11 04:16:17 LoneStar99: it sure it compatible with palm pilot. Just re-enter all the data you had in the pilot. Feb 11 04:16:41 JenP: make sure you mention the beautiful color scheme. Feb 11 04:17:50 And, THANK YOU to JenP, Rick_work, and my two nemesi, sugardave and Bmyers for your help during development! Feb 11 04:18:08 oh yeah forgot about the color scheme...LOL Feb 11 04:18:29 reality9110: DOC!! can you show me how you put that update available post in your app? Feb 11 04:18:44 I broke my app catalog -_- Feb 11 04:19:24 haeffb: Remind me to redo that sign in the upper right hand corner of the app for you. Feb 11 04:19:46 ? Feb 11 04:19:50 got 2 shit comments today: you can not win, make it free, even if you pay people to use an app they will still complain... oh well Feb 11 04:19:52 the road sign Feb 11 04:20:03 JenP: What do you mean? Feb 11 04:20:34 i thought you made it so your app tells the user there's an update in the catalog... Feb 11 04:20:41 Oh yes Feb 11 04:20:46 what's wrong with the road sign? Feb 11 04:21:01 haeffb: It could look "prettier" Feb 11 04:21:31 Ok. I'll take any help I can get. Feb 11 04:21:49 Although, the road sign has a special meaning to me... Feb 11 04:22:17 i think the sign looks good Feb 11 04:22:23 LoneStar99, I generally almost always give an extra star for free apps. I can't see how people can nitpick over petty crap when the developer isn't getting paid crap for the app... Feb 11 04:22:24 JenP: There's a config file on RadioTime.com that the app calls at startup. It checks the versions on the config file and compares it to the mojo.app.version. If the config version is higher, it switches the main menu over to a second menu Feb 11 04:22:46 because I was the project manager for a project to four-lane a 22-mile segment of Rte 36. Feb 11 04:22:59 reality9110: huh? Feb 11 04:23:04 haeffb: It's just a blending issue Feb 11 04:23:22 oh, cool. Feb 11 04:23:41 I'm a GIMP noob, haven't even scratched the surface. Feb 11 04:23:57 JenP: Server...file...config... App...mojo.app.version. Compare. > Update menu, = no update Feb 11 04:24:38 haeffb: If you add a shaddow underneath it, it blends in better with the upper bar. Feb 11 04:24:53 smiles...kk...i'm probably gonna need you to walk me through it...(sw) Feb 11 04:24:53 phil_bw: yeah people are weird Feb 11 04:25:08 But, I'd also get rid of the little jags on the rounded corners Feb 11 04:25:10 * haeffb still waiting for precentral to create a developer forum... Feb 11 04:25:19 haeffb: There is one Feb 11 04:25:26 haeffb, pretty sure there is one Feb 11 04:25:49 haeffb: Just inform the admin that you want developer access and you'll get access to the super secret developer forum that nobody is supposed to talk about Feb 11 04:26:10 lol Feb 11 04:26:15 Wow, just found where apps are installed on the phone, the source of apps are not protected at all Feb 11 04:26:19 Kinda scary Feb 11 04:26:46 scottb: you can view all the source? Feb 11 04:26:53 of apps? Feb 11 04:26:53 LoneStar99: Yes Feb 11 04:27:00 not that developer forum. A forum for "Tiger Country Software" Feb 11 04:27:01 Yeah Feb 11 04:27:18 haeffb: Ask the admin to create one Feb 11 04:27:27 scottb: yes. that's been the case since the beginning of webOS Feb 11 04:27:57 Just make all your apps open source, and don't worry about it anymore. Feb 11 04:27:58 haeffb: By the way, how did you get the buttons at the bottom there to change color? Feb 11 04:28:57 haeffb: Dev's cant afford to spend time writing open source apps all the time if they want to eat Feb 11 04:29:17 scottb: I beg to differ Feb 11 04:29:19 super secret squirrell stuff Feb 11 04:29:26 scottb, that's why I have a day job :) Feb 11 04:30:12 Same here, but I would eventually like to work for my self Feb 11 04:30:35 Mobile seems to be the hot market of the moment so I'm starting into pre, iphone, and android dev Feb 11 04:31:25 reality9110: I'll get back with you sometime when we're both avialable so you can teach me what to do with the 36 icon. Feb 11 04:31:35 I wonder how lucritive mobile dev is going to be anymore... I used to make an alright amount when I sold my apps for $15/each (and I was the cheap guy on the block), now if you go over $3.00 you're gouging... Feb 11 04:31:39 haeffb: Sure Feb 11 04:31:41 Took the palm buttons into GIMP, & recolored them. Feb 11 04:31:48 ah Feb 11 04:32:02 phil_bw: It's volume now Feb 11 04:32:19 scottb, yeah but not every app is going to be high volume Feb 11 04:32:36 scottb: why can't you eat open source apps? Feb 11 04:33:06 haeffb: Have you ever bit into a byte? Feb 11 04:33:13 open source != free Feb 11 04:33:14 Or nibbiled a bit? Feb 11 04:38:56 man, you know what I'm sick and tired of? PalmOS programming.... I've got this one contract that just won't go away Feb 11 04:39:27 what language is PalmOS? Feb 11 04:39:31 C++? Feb 11 04:39:56 I'm using HB++ for this project Feb 11 04:43:59 what do the other palm phones that are not WebOS running? Feb 11 04:44:18 huh? Feb 11 04:44:25 PalmOS or Windows Mobile Feb 11 04:44:33 oh I get it now Feb 11 04:44:41 yeah, I'm doing PalmOS stuff Feb 11 04:44:45 they've got a windows mobile guy Feb 11 04:46:34 I figured they'd discontinue their PalmOS client by now, but apparently they've got a decent customer base still using it so I guess I keep going Feb 11 04:46:45 is palmos at all similar to wbos? Feb 11 04:46:48 webos Feb 11 04:47:21 LoneStar99, ummm..... let's see.... they both have a launcher? Feb 11 04:47:42 they are very different animals Feb 11 04:48:06 nice, the launcher in common Feb 11 04:48:24 don't get me wrong, I truely enjoyed my line of Treos and my Centro Feb 11 04:48:48 but PalmOS is just so bloody antiquated at this point that I can't see anyone really using it anymore Feb 11 04:48:58 k Feb 11 04:50:38 Anyone know if it is possible to run the Pre on the CDMA Boostmobile plans? Feb 11 04:53:54 lmorchard: You around? Feb 11 04:54:03 (stupid channel locked me out before) Feb 11 04:54:16 Also, new post up at http://pre101.com Feb 11 05:00:04 sorry to ask out of nowhere - anybody know if there is a setting to have automatic location services off but still have gmaps work when typing into global search? Feb 11 05:01:45 i probably need to explain a little - i can type into global search, click google maps but then when I say allow location services in google maps i have to type the restaurant (or whatever) into the search field within the app. Normal? Feb 11 05:02:35 P.S. in reference to previous conversation - I tried to ask if P|C would set up a bounty system for devs instead of the app request forums. No dice - guess I shouldn't be surprised. Feb 11 05:02:50 Roy-Pre101: did you do the karate kid stuff? Feb 11 05:02:57 pretty awesome! Feb 11 05:41:17 hi jfelectron Feb 11 05:42:26 LoneStar99: hello! Feb 11 05:45:07 was listening to NPR today, and it was one of those ridiculous talks: "Some chick started a business helping people write their online profiles for online dating sites" ... I was like WTF... Feb 11 05:45:14 drats...Ares debugger doesn't seem to work with the device Feb 11 05:45:42 LoneStar99: hahaha....yeah sometimes they just fill the air Feb 11 05:46:15 you can copy an IPK to device using Ares? Feb 11 05:46:37 LoneStar99: seems like a ridiculous business...but if people actually pay them for it...well good for them I guess Feb 11 05:46:53 yeah exactly Feb 11 05:47:09 met my wife on Yahoo Personals actually Feb 11 05:47:09 LoneStar99: don't know about installing from Ares.....just hoping it would be able to work with the debugger on device, but it won't connect Feb 11 05:47:17 does typing now work Feb 11 05:47:19 ah Feb 11 05:47:24 was definitely worth the $30 or whatever I paid at the time Feb 11 05:47:35 phil_bw: yeah...but would you pay someone to create the perfect profile? Feb 11 05:47:36 online dating? it's good Feb 11 05:47:42 it works Feb 11 05:47:45 phil_bw: its secondary business Feb 11 05:48:00 jfelectron, not a chance, I was about as blunt and too the point as I could get, had a scary looking picture too Feb 11 05:48:01 tom_m: phil_bw: Yep..met my sigO on Craiglist Feb 11 05:48:10 but that's free :) Feb 11 05:48:27 ha yea craigslist is a little out there but ya. i had a buddy who met someone off it Feb 11 05:48:29 i used match Feb 11 05:48:32 gonna marry the girl :) Feb 11 05:48:46 match was a bit on the expensive side for me Feb 11 05:48:56 I wasn't really lookin' to find a wife, just some new friends Feb 11 05:49:02 anyway. does anyone know why from one scene pushing another... each time i push the scene it takes that many back gestures to go back? so the third time i push scene, it takes three swipes back Feb 11 05:49:11 is that a common "oh i know why" thing ? Feb 11 05:49:38 tom_m: each time you push it gets stacked Feb 11 05:49:49 tom_m, sounds to me like you're stacking them all instead of replacing Feb 11 05:49:51 so there's others underneath? Feb 11 05:50:00 tom_m: yes..its a stack Feb 11 05:50:05 by default Feb 11 05:50:21 however you can catch the back gesture and pop the scene Feb 11 05:50:36 hmm Feb 11 05:50:38 Maybe you shouldn't push the scene when you don't want it to do that Feb 11 05:50:42 i wonder where these are stacking Feb 11 05:50:46 that way when you push it again, there's just the copy you pushed Feb 11 05:50:47 Isn't there some method for just replacing the current Feb 11 05:51:02 zomg: yes its called swapScene Feb 11 05:51:04 yea Feb 11 05:51:05 swap Feb 11 05:51:10 Yeah so there =) Feb 11 05:51:13 i use that for others but in this case i do want back gesture Feb 11 05:51:17 that pops the previous though...he doesn't want that don't think Feb 11 05:51:38 what you want to do is to push the scene, but on the back gesture pop it Feb 11 05:51:39 do i have to catch the back gesture event? Feb 11 05:51:44 isn't it an automatic call to pop the current? Feb 11 05:52:09 if you push the scene and catch the back gesture to pop it isn't it the same as swapping? Feb 11 05:52:14 I think you want to stack the first time, then swap all additional ones Feb 11 05:52:21 so a back gesture will always drop you back to the first one Feb 11 05:52:21 ie. you end back on the one where you were before pushing and one before it :P Feb 11 05:52:35 phil_bw: exactly what I was thinking Feb 11 05:52:38 zomg: if you do swapScene....next time you push the first scene it has to be created again Feb 11 05:52:43 zomg. if you use swapScene() and use back gesture your card zooms out Feb 11 05:52:48 it won't go back anywhere Feb 11 05:52:54 so it completely replaces the stack? Feb 11 05:53:05 or more like empties it? Feb 11 05:53:16 zomg: no...but it replaces the top scene with the other one Feb 11 05:53:19 that i'm actually not sure, if you already have a stack Feb 11 05:53:25 it doesn't increase the stack depth Feb 11 05:53:30 oh well there you have it :) Feb 11 05:53:37 it doesnt reset the depth either? Feb 11 05:53:40 well why would it zoom out then Feb 11 05:53:44 if there's still something remaining Feb 11 05:53:55 zomg: are you sure there is? Feb 11 05:54:05 I would assume there is since there would not be a problem otherwise Feb 11 05:54:27 so everytime i call pushScene here i'm getting multiple Feb 11 05:54:30 really weird Feb 11 05:54:36 i assume that's whats going on Feb 11 05:54:49 you mean you have to "back" multiple times to even get out from the one which is visible now to the previous? Feb 11 05:54:54 yea Feb 11 05:55:01 and say im on a scene with a list of records Feb 11 05:55:03 well I don't think that should be happening :D Feb 11 05:55:08 i click a record to go view it. Feb 11 05:55:10 new scene. Feb 11 05:55:15 tom_m: that's how it works. Push---> new scene on stack, back gesture---> go back in stack, push again---> another new scene on stack Feb 11 05:55:19 each time i do that. it adds to the number of times i gotta back gesture Feb 11 05:55:21 the only reason I'd see it happening is if the code for some reason pushes the scene multiple times Feb 11 05:55:31 so if its the 3rd time or 4th time i clicked to view a record. i gotta back gesture that many times Feb 11 05:55:39 it adds/increments Feb 11 05:55:48 oh Feb 11 05:55:52 so im navigating back w/o popping Feb 11 05:55:52 ? Feb 11 05:55:56 probably Feb 11 05:56:17 i should look at my old app perhaps :) maybe i forgot to do that Feb 11 05:56:17 oh yeah I'm actually not sure if it pops by default on back gesture.. Feb 11 05:56:18 :D Feb 11 05:56:36 thats what i was assuming Feb 11 05:56:38 but maybe not Feb 11 05:56:49 Yeah guess it might be just going backwards without popping Feb 11 05:59:16 so whats the back gesture event? Feb 11 05:59:41 Mojo.Event.back? Feb 11 06:00:37 can i globally handle that in the StageAssistant.prototype.handleCommand() and always pop the current scene? Feb 11 06:00:53 or does that not work and cause problems if theres only one scene/ Feb 11 06:01:06 tom_m: check for Mojo.Event.back Feb 11 06:01:25 if even.type=Mojo.Event.back Feb 11 06:01:33 event.preventDefault() Feb 11 06:01:47 event.stopPropagation() Feb 11 06:02:03 this.controller.stageController.popScene(); Feb 11 06:02:07 Mojo.Controller.stageController.popScene(); Feb 11 06:02:09 ah Feb 11 06:02:10 yea Feb 11 06:02:12 good Feb 11 06:02:20 thats what i had in my old app. but you know i never caught the Mojo.Event.back Feb 11 06:02:31 interesting i gotta check that out maybe push an update Feb 11 06:02:46 tom_m: well if you don't have other commands....you don't need to check Feb 11 06:02:51 whats the preventDefault() and stopPropagation() for? Feb 11 06:02:58 to prevent the normal behavior Feb 11 06:03:40 just call them before the popScene...within the if(event.type == Mojo.Event.back) { ... Feb 11 06:03:42 ? Feb 11 06:04:45 hmm not working in my stage assistant Feb 11 06:04:54 do i have to do it per assistant? Feb 11 06:06:19 hmmm nope not working under handleCommand().. Feb 11 06:06:22 weird Feb 11 06:07:03 oh Feb 11 06:07:04 i know why Feb 11 06:09:26 About to push out a new closed beta of Paratrooper. Anyone want on the beta testing list? Feb 11 06:10:46 rbredow: SURE Feb 11 06:11:10 rbredow, I avoid that app entirely. usually I avoid apps because they suck, in this case it's because I've heard about how purely addicting that game is and I already have piles of work stacking up :P Feb 11 06:11:25 That's good to hear! :) Feb 11 06:12:15 It's charm had worn off on me (after a lot of hours of making the game). However, after adding a couple of new things, the new levels are quite fun (even for me!) Feb 11 06:12:44 I made the fatal mistake of downloading "The Helicopter Game" Feb 11 06:13:09 was reading about it in the forums one night while on the can, figured "eh, it's free, might as well see what all the hype is about" Feb 11 06:13:14 I haven't seen that one yet. Any good? Feb 11 06:13:22 rbredow: you gonna upload it or you need an email? Feb 11 06:13:34 it's about as "old school" as a game can get Feb 11 06:13:38 email is best for the private beta Feb 11 06:14:14 rbredow, http://www.precentral.net/app-gallery/app-catalog/the-helicopter-game Feb 11 06:14:17 ok i give up. how do i catch the Mojo.Event.back ? Feb 11 06:14:33 phil_bw: looks very retro Feb 11 06:14:44 dmontal2ATyahoo.com Feb 11 06:14:45 event.type i tried, event.command.. Feb 11 06:15:02 rbredow, apparently it's been on a few older systems... even TI calculators, I had never heard of it though Feb 11 06:15:07 LoneStar99: Got you. Thanks. Feb 11 06:16:11 kewl Feb 11 06:19:00 LoneStar99: You should have the IPK now. Lemme know what you think when you get a chance. :) Feb 11 06:19:51 rbredow: got it, will email you tommorrow, gonna install it in the morning Feb 11 06:19:56 thx Feb 11 06:19:57 LoneStar99, I'll trade you... I'll gladly beta test paratrooper for you if you'll finish this PalmOS program for me... Feb 11 06:20:31 chewing up some XML and fartin out a Calendar... Feb 11 06:20:40 yay xml Feb 11 06:20:50 i just got done parsing tons of it for an app Feb 11 06:20:53 * phil_bw hates XML Feb 11 06:21:03 lol, I can't install it until, tommorrow, need to debug my app Feb 11 06:21:06 honestly i just used jquery Feb 11 06:21:10 made it a sinch Feb 11 06:21:29 I'm using some built in XML parsing routines, but still, lots of code Feb 11 06:22:04 can just run jQuery(xmlDocument).find('xmlNode').text() Feb 11 06:22:18 i guess all depends on your xml Feb 11 06:22:41 lots of calendar data Feb 11 06:22:46 but things like .find('xmlNode:first').text() came in real handy, jquery's selectors got me out of a bind with some xml Feb 11 06:22:50 I'm looking forward to what WebOS has to offer really Feb 11 06:22:54 yea Feb 11 06:23:01 prototype has some stuff im sure Feb 11 06:23:21 no doubt Feb 11 06:23:50 phil_bw: there is XPath Feb 11 06:24:08 and XSL transforms Feb 11 06:24:09 afaik Feb 11 06:24:21 anyone know whats wrong with this picture? http://pastebin.com/d4f425fff Feb 11 06:24:35 zomg, I'm sure there are a lot of handy ways to handle XML in webos, but frankly I hope to not be dealing with XML anymore when I start on my WebOS projects Feb 11 06:24:36 still hasn't resolved my issue :( Feb 11 06:25:08 phil_bw: well those two are things JavaScript has for handling XML, not just webos =) But yeah XML is a bit icky Feb 11 06:25:16 JSON is a much better format to work with in JS Feb 11 06:25:22 imo anyway Feb 11 06:25:24 amen Feb 11 06:25:28 lots of web services use it so its a super common thing. you'd think they'd put something directly in mojo for it. though i agree about json for the win Feb 11 06:25:56 zomg, yes I am a fan of JSON, I use it for my own internal data processing, unforunately this other project is contract work and I have to deal with what their server gives me Feb 11 06:26:14 they are very pro-blackberry Feb 11 06:26:16 tom_m: aside XSLT and XPath what would you suggest for having when dealing with XML? Feb 11 06:26:47 zomg: i just use jquery's find() i haven't really done anything else Feb 11 06:27:03 it means adding that extra library to your app though of course Feb 11 06:27:03 tom_m: missing ; after event.stopPropagation() Feb 11 06:27:14 i put it in, shouldnt matter anyway its a new line Feb 11 06:27:18 and it didn't seem to change anything Feb 11 06:27:30 tom_m: ah.. well you could do pretty similar things with XPath, but yeah it wouldn't probably be that convenient without adding some library to process the XPath results Feb 11 06:27:52 zomg: again jQuery's selectors saved my butt. and .each() Feb 11 06:28:31 right now im working with an app that calls an api on the net that returns xml. lots of parsing i just do it all in my models and set it to lists, etc. Feb 11 06:28:35 I guess you could try this: http://www.thomasfrank.se/xml_to_json.html Feb 11 06:29:03 one thing i'm not sure how it works out is attributes Feb 11 06:29:07 if u do something like that Feb 11 06:29:50 rbredow, now isn't that useful... Feb 11 06:30:21 oh cool it takes into consideration the attributes Feb 11 06:30:46 and a bookmark on that guy.... Feb 11 06:31:09 hmm ok im mad tired. almost solved this stupid problem i guess im looking in the right direction...but might as well pick up tomorrow Feb 11 06:31:12 Anyone running Italian language on their Pre, and able to testing Preware's new Italian language support in the testing feed? Feb 11 06:31:20 anyone else any last thoughts on why my stupid scenes aren't popping? (http://pastebin.com/d4f425fff) Feb 11 06:31:36 tom_m: did you see my comment earlier? Feb 11 06:31:47 the semi colon Feb 11 06:31:50 yes Feb 11 06:31:51 i added in i saw that Feb 11 06:31:53 ah Feb 11 06:32:07 but didnt make a difference =( Feb 11 06:32:15 Semicolons aren't actually required Feb 11 06:32:15 =) Feb 11 06:32:17 i dont think you techncially need it anyway with js, though i like it Feb 11 06:32:26 how are you calling the handler? Feb 11 06:32:39 (but yes it is good practice to include them) Feb 11 06:33:02 within the same assistant thats pushed (ProjectsView), i have ProjectsViewAssistant.prototype.handleCommand = function (event) { ... Feb 11 06:33:18 and catch it in there, thats all i pasted. but im trying to just catch the back gesture Feb 11 06:33:28 and maybe it is working. its going back in the stack Feb 11 06:34:03 but again this weird issues where if it's the 3rd time i pushed the scene, it takes 3 back gestures... if its the 4th, it takes 4 and so on. i wish there was a way of debugging and seeing how many scenes are on the stack Feb 11 06:34:03 try throwing in a .bind(this) after the declaration Feb 11 06:34:08 k Feb 11 06:34:39 tom_m: have u tried "Mojo.Controller.stageController.popScene();" Feb 11 06:34:42 yup Feb 11 06:34:45 tried that one too Feb 11 06:35:33 what about "ProjectsViewAssistant.prototype.handleCommand = function () {" Feb 11 06:35:48 so completely off topic, if any of you are in the market for a new mouse, definitely get one with the scroll wheel that unlocks and free wheels, speeds up programming like nothing else Feb 11 06:36:15 i think digitalpowers may be able to attest to that, he got one and just sits there and spins it Feb 11 06:36:16 for funsies Feb 11 06:36:33 haha Feb 11 06:36:41 phil_bw: how about getting an editor that makes scrolling with the mouse slow Feb 11 06:36:41 =) Feb 11 06:36:47 tis true, i love to free spin my scroller, just for funsies Feb 11 06:37:07 I just spun mine and timed it Feb 11 06:37:14 spun for 23 seconds before it stopped Feb 11 06:37:16 lonestar: without the (event) in the arg? Feb 11 06:37:16 tom_m: without event inside (); Feb 11 06:37:17 heh Feb 11 06:37:21 k Feb 11 06:37:30 if that won't get you to the top of bottom of your code, you need to segment things a little better :P Feb 11 06:37:40 so true Feb 11 06:37:42 tom_m: yeah Feb 11 06:37:54 G gets me to the bottom of my code Feb 11 06:37:59 it's a bit faster than trying to scroll Feb 11 06:37:59 =) Feb 11 06:38:00 hmm still works (to my surprise) but same behavior Feb 11 06:38:10 if you don't put event in there you can't reference event as an object Feb 11 06:38:14 didn't fix it :( sooo weird Feb 11 06:38:21 i have to be popping the scene i mean maybe its something else Feb 11 06:38:37 event is just an arbitrary name for what's being passed, you could type foo in there and it would still work with the same methods Feb 11 06:38:44 thats causing several to launch at once..but then why is it compounded each time i click Feb 11 06:42:08 hmm yea it gets to the part where it should call that popScene() .. i'm logging right before it Feb 11 06:42:12 so im catchign the vent fine Feb 11 06:42:21 maybe its not popping Feb 11 06:42:58 tom_m: event.stopPropagation() missing ";" Feb 11 06:43:17 heh Feb 11 06:43:17 yea, doesnt matter, but put it in anyway, its an old pastebin Feb 11 06:43:53 http://pastebin.com/m4b2da71b Feb 11 06:44:12 gets there Feb 11 06:44:19 really strange Feb 11 06:44:58 try Mojo.Controller.StageController.popScene() ? Feb 11 06:45:23 yup Feb 11 06:45:42 perhaps: if(event.type == Mojo.Event.back) { is not working properly Feb 11 06:46:04 it must be because the log line works fine Feb 11 06:46:12 if the if statement wasn't true it wouldn't enter the block Feb 11 06:46:36 everything looks right, it must be a context issue Feb 11 06:46:40 but this is just a command button right? Feb 11 06:46:48 its back gesture Feb 11 06:47:00 from a normal scene? not like a dialog or anything? Feb 11 06:47:18 yea Feb 11 06:47:21 normal scene Feb 11 06:47:47 doesn't the back gesture automatically handle popping scenes if one has been pushed? Feb 11 06:47:53 i've never tried Feb 11 06:49:17 i thought it did Feb 11 06:49:33 but thats what led me to try manually Feb 11 06:50:39 Mojo.Controller.stageController.getScenes().length Feb 11 06:50:42 so i'm seeing it increase Feb 11 06:50:51 so popping has no effect Feb 11 06:50:59 (seemingly) Feb 11 06:51:48 [pseudocode] for i=0;i :D Feb 11 06:52:32 i would try that, just for funsies to see what would happen Feb 11 06:52:42 i'm not condoning that being a good idea at all Feb 11 06:53:09 it is possible to access the actual stack....its a property of the stageController object Feb 11 06:53:35 Mojo.SceneStack.popScene() ? Feb 11 06:53:36 i mean i could swapscene Feb 11 06:53:52 and pass in the name from where i came Feb 11 06:53:56 and then swap back to it lol Feb 11 06:54:07 maik: Mojo.SceneStack? Never seen that Feb 11 06:54:35 i don't think you're supposed to use it Feb 11 06:54:36 I think its something like stageController._sceneStack or something...its a private property of the object Feb 11 06:54:44 maik: nope its private Feb 11 06:54:45 http://www.weboshelp.net/webos-mojo-development-resources/api-reference/233-mojo-scenestack-popscene Feb 11 06:54:52 ah Feb 11 06:55:19 tom_m: so you're doing popScene and what happens? Feb 11 06:55:38 it appears to jump back to the same scene Feb 11 06:55:55 uhhh that's odd Feb 11 06:55:56 until i back gesture again. then it goes to the scene i really came from Feb 11 06:55:57 clicking again Feb 11 06:56:00 it adds another Feb 11 06:56:18 so say its the second or third time i clicked the list item to push the new scene and view the record Feb 11 06:56:21 do you know how to use the debugger in Ares? Feb 11 06:56:28 it then takes the 2 or 3 back gestures to clear them all Feb 11 06:56:32 and uncover the original scene Feb 11 06:56:39 yes....you said that earlier Feb 11 06:56:48 k Feb 11 06:56:52 I was just wondering what the current status was...guess it hasn't changed Feb 11 06:56:59 oh, yea Feb 11 06:57:03 nope unfortunately Feb 11 06:57:14 i havn't tried ares because for some reason my firefox is having issues w/ it in linux Feb 11 06:57:16 and the java Feb 11 06:57:46 mmm.....FF isn't technically supported. Have you tried a WebKit browser? Feb 11 06:58:04 are there chromium builds for linux? Feb 11 06:59:47 yes, there should be Feb 11 07:00:05 you can also get chrome Feb 11 07:00:11 oh even better Feb 11 07:00:15 there is also midori Feb 11 07:00:22 I have arora, i tried w/ that sitll no dice Feb 11 07:00:25 oh yea Feb 11 07:00:27 Chrome and Safari both play nice with Ares...at least under OS X Feb 11 07:00:27 i did just get chrmoe Feb 11 07:00:29 i can try that Feb 11 07:00:48 tom_m: introspect the properties of the stageController assistant Feb 11 07:00:55 ok Feb 11 07:01:05 there should be some private properties like _sceneStack or something like that Feb 11 07:01:13 its an array Feb 11 07:01:58 before logging in in red says java is not enabled in yoru browsr. Feb 11 07:02:10 i think ares is useful for quick prototyping of webos apps but i dont think its powerful enough right now to create really advanced apps Feb 11 07:02:21 ill have to read up on how to get java in chrome in linux Feb 11 07:02:27 and what not, but im about to fall asleep Feb 11 07:02:28 gkatsev: nope...but the debugger is great Feb 11 07:02:40 i would most def. love a good debugger Feb 11 07:02:44 jfelectron: yeah, i guess thats probably the best part of it Feb 11 07:02:47 i've just been logging to the console Feb 11 07:03:03 there is a command line debugger too...but its painful Feb 11 07:03:05 i use gedit to build my stuff, and have a shortcut to install the app and tail the log in the pane at the bottom Feb 11 07:03:18 uhuh Feb 11 07:03:23 give komodo and templarian's webos plugin a try. Feb 11 07:04:03 so im running getScenes() Feb 11 07:04:13 and .length of that array i see it increase Feb 11 07:04:18 i know theres the scenes there Feb 11 07:04:22 stacking Feb 11 07:08:30 its when it gets pusheed Feb 11 07:08:46 the method that then calls pushScene() the entire thing, its called multiple times Feb 11 07:08:54 but i stop listening to the list taps Feb 11 07:10:20 huh.....that's quite odd Feb 11 07:11:10 tom_m: its an event handler that calls pushScene Feb 11 07:11:11 ? Feb 11 07:11:26 Mojo.Event.listen($('results-list'), Mojo.Event.listTap, this.viewProject.bindAsEventListener(this)); Feb 11 07:11:45 uhuh Feb 11 07:11:48 tap list, runs viewProject method that in there pushes scene Feb 11 07:12:14 stopListening is under deactivate() Feb 11 07:12:41 does viewProject get called multiple times Feb 11 07:12:43 ? Feb 11 07:12:49 how about the listTap handler? Feb 11 07:13:20 it gets called multiple times after i come back to the scene with the list and tap the item again Feb 11 07:13:33 but first launch of the app, first tap. no just once Feb 11 07:13:37 works as you'd expect Feb 11 07:14:24 are you using global variables anywhere? Feb 11 07:14:38 like a callback function or something like that? Feb 11 07:14:49 click a different record. same results. multiple back gestures required but weird thing is it keeps revealing same scene not the old records i saw previously Feb 11 07:15:06 the list comes from a model Feb 11 07:15:27 under function ProjectsIndexAssistant() { this.Project = new Project(); } Feb 11 07:15:44 within that Project model class, i have the list fetched and setup Feb 11 07:16:10 passes along changes and model is updated via modelChanged() under considerForNotification() Feb 11 07:16:56 the PDK isn't publically available yet? Feb 11 07:17:10 I haven't been following WebOS recently Feb 11 07:18:40 summatusmentis: nope.....March at the GDC Feb 11 07:18:56 ah Feb 11 07:19:17 summatusmentis: I keep hopinh it gets leaked but not yet alas Feb 11 07:20:13 mmm, I'm mostly just curious Feb 11 07:21:08 tom_m: that all seems pretty standard...without seeing the code, its hard to say what might be going on Feb 11 07:21:41 has anyone used the template attribute in a command menu or view menu? Feb 11 07:22:16 hmm well im gonna call it a night Feb 11 07:22:19 thanks for your thoughts Feb 11 07:36:12 trying to reset a global to zero, shouldn't "scGlobal = 0;//RESET GLOBAL" work? Feb 11 07:38:29 LoneStar99: I have experienced some really strange behaviors with globals....I'd think that would work Feb 11 07:39:02 where are you resetting it? Does it retain its previous value? Feb 11 07:40:53 the last value is 5 but resets to 2 and increments in 2 after reset... Feb 11 07:42:25 have tried setup, once the scene is reopened, but still starts at 2 Feb 11 07:43:00 LoneStar: how is it initialized? Feb 11 07:47:03 good morning Feb 11 07:47:04 ScAssistant.prototype.scSwap= function(event){ if (tID.length == 3) {//IF ID LEN Feb 11 07:47:04 scGlobal += 1} Feb 11 07:47:12 guten morgen Feb 11 07:47:59 guten morgen Feb 11 07:48:25 i've officially announced the application translation service: www.thinmachine.ch/service.html Feb 11 07:49:22 wow nice, you except paypal? Feb 11 07:54:38 swisstomcat: awesome. any corrections for Preware's German translations? Feb 11 07:55:00 rwhitby: i'll have to check it Feb 11 07:55:08 lonestar99: yes, paypal is accepted Feb 11 07:56:02 the only thing i noticed so far are html-umlauts at some places Feb 11 07:56:03 swisstomcat: I highly commend your open source translation policy. Feb 11 07:56:20 ok, cool will keep it in mind, once the app store opens in europe, will need german, and french Feb 11 07:56:36 thanks ... i want to support the open source community, rwhitby Feb 11 07:56:49 swisstomcat: that's a great way to do it. Feb 11 07:57:24 not sure what to do with free apps tho (not open source) Feb 11 07:57:38 charge Feb 11 07:58:03 lonestar99: i've tried to offer french, but my wife says shes not that good anymore Feb 11 07:58:07 swisstomcat: especially ones with ads Feb 11 07:58:14 good point Feb 11 07:58:45 maybe i'll find a partner in the french speaking part of switzerland Feb 11 07:58:52 So, who knows enough about the Mail app code to give me hints on how to write a "Sync All Button" patch? Feb 11 08:01:16 rwhitby: what to do if i find errors or omissions in the german preware? Feb 11 08:03:41 ok chat later, gonna hit the haystack Feb 11 08:06:43 cu Feb 11 09:35:29 hi there, how can i get a loading screen (only a image) and get to the main scene without push animation Feb 11 09:35:43 like a transition Feb 11 09:36:20 when i buy apps on palm market and i have to doctor my device will i be able to restore? Feb 11 09:36:58 good question farms .. i assume that the apps will come back or you can reinstall them Feb 11 09:37:21 ohuerta, you can specify transition= none in pushscene/swap Feb 11 09:37:22 they're probably tied to your palm profile Feb 11 09:37:38 i figured as much, i installed a couple patches and rooted my device and it doesnt seem to run that great now :( Feb 11 09:37:56 patches is something else i assume Feb 11 09:38:29 yea, led notifications and developer mode icon Feb 11 09:38:59 i assume they don't survive a doctor but i'd ask in #webos-internals Feb 11 09:39:13 ping metaview Feb 11 09:39:43 jbjoerk, can u paste exact the line code for specify the transition? Feb 11 09:41:59 jbjoerk are u there? Feb 11 09:44:44 anyone know how can i setup the transition when i push a scene Feb 11 10:14:25 is it possible to set up the transition when i popup a scene? Feb 11 10:16:55 i haven't tried transitions yet Feb 11 10:17:04 ping metaview Feb 11 10:17:08 he has as far as i know Feb 11 10:27:39 ohuerta, did you figure it out? Feb 11 10:27:58 ohuerta, this.currentSceneController.stageController.pushScene({name: "main", transition: Mojo.Transition.crossFade},this,false); Feb 11 10:50:03 jbjoerk tx Feb 11 10:50:24 ive get it Feb 11 10:50:36 np Feb 11 10:51:24 but now, when i get to my mainScene after pushing it, the images get a time to load, is very short, but u can apreciate it, is it possible to do something? Feb 11 10:51:48 (the images are local) Feb 11 10:52:20 ? Feb 11 10:53:22 do u understand me? Feb 11 10:54:57 jbjoerk? Feb 11 10:55:35 no Feb 11 10:55:38 I don't :) Feb 11 11:02:10 xDD Feb 11 11:02:35 i have a loading scene Feb 11 11:03:04 when i have the data downloaded, i push the main scene (is a list) Feb 11 11:03:12 ok Feb 11 11:03:16 each row have an image and text Feb 11 11:04:06 when i get the data (at the same time he is pushing the loading scene), i push the main scene (the list) Feb 11 11:04:43 but the images are showed after the text (0,5 s delay) Feb 11 11:05:09 how do you render the images? Feb 11 11:05:29 are local Feb 11 11:05:40 Feb 11 11:05:49 hm Feb 11 11:05:54 no clue why that wouldn't work Feb 11 11:05:57 don't have that problem here Feb 11 11:06:07 are the images being resized? Feb 11 11:06:35 a header widget has delay too Feb 11 11:07:48 the images arent resized Feb 11 11:08:38 maybe getting a timeout for let the palm push completly the loading image and get more resources? Feb 11 11:09:03 the problem i thing is that i push the scene in the middle of the animation Feb 11 11:10:08 jbjoerk? Feb 11 11:59:22 anyone know where are the binaries compiled by eclipse for palm stored? Feb 11 12:17:31 rehi Feb 11 12:22:15 is posible to wait a transition of a push scene finish for doing something? Feb 11 12:22:29 how can i know the animation has finished? Feb 11 12:25:56 ohuerta, IIRC there is a callback in your scene assistant Feb 11 12:26:59 ohuerta, http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1627&Itemid=43 Feb 11 12:27:14 ohuerta, transition is finished when activate is called. (The one I was thinking of was readytoactive) Feb 11 12:28:37 happy karneval Feb 11 12:30:00 wow Feb 11 12:30:02 ill check it Feb 11 12:30:18 tx u a lot jbjoerk Feb 11 12:31:37 Anyone seen yanky behaviour when doing List.invalidateItems() while scrolling at the top or bottom of the list? Feb 11 13:36:14 i have a slider question Feb 11 13:44:22 swisstomcat, shoot Feb 11 13:45:04 i want a slider with min: 600 and max: 6000 but it should only lock on 600,700,800 etc. Feb 11 13:45:18 wonder how i could do that? Feb 11 13:46:00 you can make slider from 6 to 60, and multiple its value onChange Feb 11 13:46:52 oh, good idea Feb 11 13:47:40 i was going to do some interpolation on the values myself Feb 11 13:47:56 maybe there are other variants, I don't know :) Feb 11 13:53:23 hrmm Feb 11 13:53:35 guess i need a progressive slider of some sort for this range Feb 11 14:01:34 allright, figured it out Feb 11 14:01:55 with a slider from 1 to 26 and an associate array with the corresponding values Feb 11 14:02:25 cool Feb 11 14:18:50 ohayuo Feb 11 14:18:51 ohayou* Feb 11 14:20:01 konichiwa Feb 11 14:20:43 ))) Feb 11 14:20:50 ahoj Feb 11 14:57:07 I hate to keep asking this, but is there anyone here who could help me in getting the accelerometer to work in my app? Thanks. Feb 11 14:57:39 I couldn't, sorry ) Feb 11 15:00:40 wish I could, but I only know how to deal with shake events :( Feb 11 15:01:05 zinge: maybe you should try describing your problem Feb 11 15:01:09 is there some sort of magic secret to using palm-dark? Feb 11 15:01:16 I have some experience with accelerometer but I have absolutely no idea what your problem is Feb 11 15:01:27 I've done what it said in Style Matters (adding to topmost div in scene) but it still isn't dark Feb 11 15:01:33 and now you're probably not looking to the channel to answer this, and I'm not going to be looking here soon either :p Feb 11 15:02:32 Aorry, back now :-) Feb 11 15:02:36 If you're still around for a few minutes. Feb 11 15:03:06 Basic proble is, I can't read the accelerometer. setWindow free works, and the app rotates, so my accelerometer is not broken Feb 11 15:03:09 zinge: what problems do you have? i use shake events in one of my apps Feb 11 15:03:33 and other accelerometer data too Feb 11 15:03:34 but orientationchange and acceleration for either roll/pitch or raw data just don't seem to do anything at all Feb 11 15:03:49 I'm probably setting up the document listener wrong... Feb 11 15:03:50 can you show some code that i can compare to mine? Feb 11 15:04:00 yeah, gimme a sec Feb 11 15:04:00 use pastie.org Feb 11 15:05:10 http://pastie.org/820062 Feb 11 15:05:34 'accel_data' is just a div id with some text Feb 11 15:07:50 But my handleOrientation function doens't ever seem to get called, which is why I'm pretty sure I'm setting up the listener wrong. Alternately, I'm making some really stupid typo, which has been known to happen on more than one occasion Feb 11 15:08:34 this looks ok Feb 11 15:08:52 this.controller.listen(document, 'orientationchange',this.handleOrientation.bindAsEventListener(this)); Feb 11 15:09:04 is the code i used Feb 11 15:09:24 do you get any errors in the log? Feb 11 15:10:42 About that.... :-). Sooo... not sure how to check. I've just been writing stuff to onscreen text div's to test things. Feb 11 15:12:45 on the commandline Feb 11 15:12:52 palm-log Feb 11 15:13:03 host command line Feb 11 15:13:19 morning fols Feb 11 15:13:20 k Feb 11 15:13:22 s Feb 11 15:13:25 morning Feb 11 15:13:54 morning Feb 11 15:14:08 damn app critics killed the download of my app =( Feb 11 15:14:22 what's wrong with it? Feb 11 15:15:24 nothing, it is a simple search engine of the app catalog and web distro apps, and got a 1 rating, because it cost the asshole a $1 Feb 11 15:15:51 swisstomcat: Ran that and it said retrieving logs, then a blank line, and a prompt again Feb 11 15:15:53 maybe chuq will delete unjustified reviews Feb 11 15:16:02 the discription mentions it is a search engine of app cat, not surprises... Feb 11 15:16:09 Meaning either theres nothing there, or I need to turn loggin on. Feb 11 15:16:12 I think Feb 11 15:16:18 emulator or device? Feb 11 15:16:20 Device Feb 11 15:16:38 yeah, for the device you have to set a logging level somewhere Feb 11 15:16:59 Ok, I'll do that. That's the frameworks file thing, correct? Feb 11 15:17:09 or ssh/novacom into the device Feb 11 15:17:14 yeah, as far as i remember Feb 11 15:17:33 novacom -t open tty:// Feb 11 15:18:03 to get a terminal on the device Feb 11 15:18:11 I'm already on the device in another terminal Feb 11 15:18:37 you can just look at messages Feb 11 15:18:39 palm-log -d usb -f com.whatever.wahtever Feb 11 15:18:52 var/log/messages? Feb 11 15:18:54 not sure Feb 11 15:18:54 and make sure you have app_config.json with a logLevel of 20 or higher Feb 11 15:19:04 you can specify device with palm-log Feb 11 15:19:19 yeah, but I need the framework_config file. Just added it. According to the webos-internals page, it requires a restart though. Feb 11 15:19:24 er, framework_config Feb 11 15:19:25 that's what it was. Feb 11 15:21:37 watching tail -f of /var/log/messages while I run the app and I'm not seeing anything relevant. I'll restart the phone real quick and see if that helps though, Feb 11 15:23:15 And by "real quick", I mean not. At all. Anybody made any progress on faster boot-up time? :-) Feb 11 15:23:27 you should at least see info: ====> Calling palmInitFramework200_72 Feb 11 15:23:36 when your app starts Feb 11 15:24:32 Still rebooting.... Feb 11 15:26:37 Okay... opened the app while watching the log, and 'm not getting anything from my app. Feb 11 15:26:49 Other random errors come up every once in a while Feb 11 15:27:00 But nothing for mine. So I guess my framework file is wrong... Feb 11 15:28:15 No... looks right.. Feb 11 15:28:18 I'm confused now. Feb 11 15:28:35 Not getting any log messages, and my handleOrientation function doesn't ever seem to be called. Feb 11 15:28:50 strange Feb 11 15:29:16 not even the initframework? Feb 11 15:29:26 Nope. Feb 11 15:30:08 Getting a whole bunch of powerd activity messages, but that's about it. Feb 11 15:30:35 and palm-log? Feb 11 15:30:39 what does that one show? Feb 11 15:31:04 connecting to device, retrieving logs, then back to a prompt Feb 11 15:33:24 use -f Feb 11 15:33:55 Following logs... Feb 11 15:33:59 now do stuff. Feb 11 15:34:01 :P Feb 11 15:34:01 Not giving me anything at all when I open the app Feb 11 15:34:17 and logLevel is set to 99..... blah Feb 11 15:34:21 any reason you're not doing this in the emulator? Feb 11 15:34:37 I was, but I switched to on device just to test the accelerometer stuff Feb 11 15:34:41 I can switch back Feb 11 15:34:42 and you're using Mojo.Log.info/error to put stuff out right? Feb 11 15:34:50 you can emulate orientationchange events Feb 11 15:34:53 f5-f8 Feb 11 15:35:05 but I Guess pitch and yaw and stuff Feb 11 15:35:06 hrm Feb 11 15:35:07 damn Feb 11 15:35:11 Okay, I'll switch and try that for now. Emulator auto-sets loglevel, correct? Feb 11 15:35:14 I've never tried checking a log from a device before Feb 11 15:35:16 nope. Feb 11 15:35:23 still need to have framework_config.json in your app Feb 11 15:35:26 ok Feb 11 15:35:40 (and make sure it's in the root directory, not ~/app <.<) Feb 11 15:35:48 (should be sibling to sources.json and appinfo.json) Feb 11 15:36:20 yup. And I have { "logLevel": 99 } as the only thing in it Feb 11 15:37:00 booting the emulator back up now Feb 11 15:37:17 I have to go in about 7 or 8 minutes, but thatnks for everything so far Feb 11 15:37:23 hi Feb 11 15:38:09 Ah, much better. Now I'm seeing things happen. Feb 11 15:38:23 good Feb 11 15:38:57 i have some question about the developer program for submit app can anyone help mE ? Feb 11 15:39:07 maybe Feb 11 15:39:07 how do I emulate accel events again? Feb 11 15:39:15 only errors are logged on device... Feb 11 15:39:29 I'm not getting any log errors when I open up the scene at least... Feb 11 15:39:45 your code seems fine Feb 11 15:39:49 wonder why it's not working Feb 11 15:40:14 could you package it and i'll try it on my device .. maybe yours is hosed ... or install my app and see if that one works Feb 11 15:40:16 i know there are 2 type of developer the normal and the open source ... the second can only submit free and open app but not pay the 99 fee Feb 11 15:40:20 it's true ? Feb 11 15:40:50 swisstomcat: sure. I've tried a couple other accel apps on device, and they work fine, btw. Feb 11 15:40:54 hmmm Feb 11 15:41:20 darkmagister: open source accounts can only submit open source apps, free or paid Feb 11 15:41:41 darkmagister: the 99 fee is waived at the moment for normal accounts Feb 11 15:41:49 but all have to pay the 99 fee Feb 11 15:41:50 ? Feb 11 15:41:52 ok .. Feb 11 15:41:58 you'll have to pay next year Feb 11 15:42:14 for the normal one Feb 11 15:42:37 but if i'm a normal developer .. i can submit alsa free app ? Feb 11 15:42:43 yes Feb 11 15:43:00 ok ... Feb 11 15:43:25 but if you're not open source, each app has a $50 fee, free or paid Feb 11 15:43:53 correct Feb 11 15:44:27 if i create open source account i dont pay free ... i can only submit open source app ... and the app it's only free? gratis ? Feb 11 15:45:12 Btw, it says in the palm dev docs that the emulator orientation keys only work if window orientation is set to free Feb 11 15:45:16 free or paid as far as i know Feb 11 15:45:28 for open source apps Feb 11 15:45:45 Oh well, gotta run. Time for class. Thanks for trying to help. This is really annoying... not sure why its not giving me any data. Feb 11 15:45:49 zinge: if you're trying to log on the device, you'll be sorely disappointed Feb 11 15:45:57 I'm not anymore, dont worry Feb 11 15:46:00 That's not the issue. Feb 11 15:46:12 ok ... then ... if i only want to develop open source app the open source account is the better way Feb 11 15:46:13 I just cant get any accelerometer data Feb 11 15:46:23 oh, bummer Feb 11 15:46:30 yes, darkmagister Feb 11 15:46:39 Yup. Thanks again. See ya. Feb 11 15:46:51 otherwise just create two accounts, one for open source, one for normal Feb 11 15:46:52 ok realy thanks :D Feb 11 15:46:58 cu zinge Feb 11 15:47:07 it's a good idea Feb 11 16:05:14 have a global that is is not being reset to zero when a scene closes: http://pastebin.com/d5451d486 Feb 11 16:05:39 or scene is reopened... Feb 11 16:54:12 * zsoc creeps out of the shadows Feb 11 16:54:23 hello official-app-making-peoples Feb 11 16:57:04 does anyone know of a png thats is just the pre body and a transparent screen for app screen shots on a website? Feb 11 17:01:12 some time ago, someone in here provided a link to what you need a type of press kit for the pre, but did not save the link Feb 11 17:11:13 have too do some more digging.. thanks LoneStar99: Feb 11 17:11:44 hello zsoc Feb 11 17:12:26 lyht: hello :) I have come to poll the official developer community for perceived usefulness of addition codec and filetype audio support. Feb 11 17:12:59 I would vote for high usefullness Feb 11 17:13:16 I have hard time using video objects. Any help? Feb 11 17:13:32 WMA!!! Feb 11 17:13:47 lyht: thank you for your input :) Feb 11 17:14:11 haeffb_pre: I have flac, ohg, and wma working in the music player... just uh.. not at the same time :) Feb 11 17:14:27 How can I tie a video object to an HTML element? Feb 11 17:17:19 hi everyone. Feb 11 17:19:27 <_azdak> Hi Yatharth Feb 11 17:20:27 i want to port a javascript application on the web OS.. It has mainly a html file and some js files linked with it.. I wanted to know can i directly use those files and modify the GUI according to the user guidelines using css etc. Feb 11 17:22:06 Yatharth: the best way to get it ported is to dig into it and learn as you go Feb 11 17:22:15 and ask questions on the way there Feb 11 17:22:39 hi, any help with video playback using video objects? Feb 11 17:25:31 Actually is it necessary to use mojo framework to develop an application?I've made an aplication using html,css and javascript.So i replaced my index.html file with the files of my earlier application. Feb 11 17:26:04 Most of it is working fine but some features are not working Feb 11 17:26:27 <_azdak> Yatharth - depends. it's not stricly neccessary, but there's some modifcations that'll have to be made Feb 11 17:26:49 <_azdak> Most of the work I'm doing uses the Mojo framework kinda minimally Feb 11 17:27:04 anyone have a problem w/ photo limits? Feb 11 17:27:04 <_azdak> but the scene/assistants structure is important Feb 11 17:27:17 or rather a new photo taken overwriting the last Feb 11 17:27:30 i thought it was a 150 limit but it's not. i removed some. Feb 11 17:27:48 really hate to reinstall the phone's os but i guess i have to Feb 11 17:28:05 does the backup on the phone back all your personal data too? Feb 11 17:29:48 _azdak:What kind of modications are you talking about can you give some example Feb 11 17:31:26 <_azdak> WebOS doesn't really use 'pages,' per se, it uses scenes Feb 11 17:31:36 <_azdak> so you have sort of one 'page' Feb 11 17:32:02 <_azdak> and webOS swaps out the appropriate html and accompanying js for different scenes Feb 11 17:32:32 <_azdak> which can be called dynamically through mojo Feb 11 17:33:02 <_azdak> so if you've got a multi-page web app, it'll need to be rearchitectured to fit that Feb 11 17:33:58 <_azdak> a single page app should run pretty much the same, other than the display differences of running on a phone Feb 11 17:34:59 <_azdak> there's also specific mojo fucntions for scene setup, activation/deactivation, etc Feb 11 17:35:25 OK Feb 11 17:35:57 tom_m: doctors don't touch /media/internal as of.. uh.. 1.3.1 I think Feb 11 17:36:15 <_azdak> the SDK docs aren't amazing, but I'd suggest running through the 'first app' stuff and looking over the sample code Feb 11 17:36:41 <_azdak> it's (mostly) pretty straightforward Feb 11 17:39:30 zsoc: thanks. i actually was able to grab most of my stuff when hooking up as usb drive Feb 11 17:39:41 and also grabbed hidden folders within .app-storage Feb 11 17:39:50 still i think my memos might be wiped Feb 11 17:40:07 only have a few guess i'll email them Feb 11 17:48:08 hi guys! Feb 11 17:51:32 please tell me, is Mojo.View.render suitable to dynamic adding of a widget to scene? Feb 11 17:57:38 pre to arrive at at&t in May Feb 11 17:58:22 LoneStar99: yep Feb 11 18:00:01 verizon: has done a very shitty job promoting pre Feb 11 18:00:06 an pixi Feb 11 18:01:49 Thats because Verizon doesnt expect much from the device Feb 11 18:02:14 Their last palm device was the treo 700w(x?) back in 2007 Feb 11 18:02:49 Doesn android have NFS in its market place? Feb 11 18:03:44 I am surprised they havent pushed it more now that its right on par with the iPhone game wise Feb 11 18:03:59 We just need the beta of the PDK and the amount of games will take off Feb 11 18:06:18 well verizon can't expect to sell phones if their marketing is all AT&T bashing. Feb 11 18:06:37 I didnt say anything about that Feb 11 18:06:53 yeah i know, just saying Feb 11 18:07:05 All they need to do is say the device has openGL ES 2.0 support and we have 3d games like NFS, Asphault etc Feb 11 18:07:17 and then demo them in the commercial Feb 11 18:07:23 running on the pre anyways Feb 11 18:07:58 yeah exactly, instead of these stupid Map advers that mean nothing to anybody Feb 11 18:08:19 Yeah, most people dont care about that as long as they have access where they are Feb 11 18:08:42 all the phone commercials are weird and i think in the wrong direction Feb 11 18:08:42 where they are 90% of the time Feb 11 18:08:49 if I want a phone that can be used in the everywhere, I'll go buy a brick satellite mobile Feb 11 18:09:03 look at apple's recent one where it goes out of the call to do something, check a reservation or something and they ask "can your phone on your network do that?" Feb 11 18:09:05 seriously? Feb 11 18:09:06 I think the sprint ones are still good, with the now network and showing the phones being used Feb 11 18:09:14 verizon and att ones are bad Feb 11 18:09:15 but they kept the "network" in there Feb 11 18:09:34 has nothing to do w/ network, its device. but these companies just want to fight each other Feb 11 18:09:58 the only adverts for mobile that are somewhat appealing are sprints, other than that, they are lame, Feb 11 18:10:01 thats kinda why im happy i switched to sprint. Feb 11 18:10:19 Yeah a sat phone with a 2 - 3 foot antenna would work anywhere as long as you have com sat support above :) Feb 11 18:10:20 i mean i kinda wish i waited on verizon, but verizon has burned me so many times in the past Feb 11 18:10:35 i switched, my phone still works. i get coverage. im happy Feb 11 18:10:48 Our network covers the entire northern hemisphere... Verizon and ATT dont even cover 100% us.... er something like that ;) Feb 11 18:10:59 and (before verizon did it) i had unlimited calling for months now Feb 11 18:11:09 ha Feb 11 18:11:25 yea, its all a gimmick but i think as long as you're in a populated area you have nothing to worry about Feb 11 18:11:30 I hate adverts anyways, but - "we got an app for that" - "and the map game" are very lame Feb 11 18:11:35 Yeah I have had this from sprint since they came out with it, verizon doesnt do anything special and it is still more expensive Feb 11 18:11:47 when i was moving and drove across country.... yea in the middle of nowhere west texas i didnt have signal. but i dont think anyone would Feb 11 18:12:15 oh verizon's unlimited is still more monthly? good to know Feb 11 18:12:20 makes even happier i switched Feb 11 18:12:36 i just wish my pre had more ram is all :) Feb 11 18:14:52 Here would be my carrier of choice :) Feb 11 18:14:53 http://www.globalstar.com/ Feb 11 18:17:34 what are the commands to register on this channel? Feb 11 18:20:39 Globalstar has unlimited NA sat minutes, VM and SMS for $35/month Feb 11 18:20:54 the better of the phones is 1k though Feb 11 18:21:04 or 399 Feb 11 18:23:44 i just can't wait til there's more webos devices and on more carriers. i really think its the best phone os out there. well or maybe android its a toss up. but i can make apps more easily for webos so im a little bias Feb 11 18:23:53 * pandora-- waves Feb 11 18:24:22 and a few more years everything will be more balanced Feb 11 18:24:44 I would like to see a webos sat phone :) Feb 11 18:24:47 there is a map for that Feb 11 18:24:48 http://www.globalstarusa.com/en/content.php?cid=300 Feb 11 18:25:02 covers several contenentsetc etc Feb 11 18:25:46 man this webos doctor recovery thing is buggy Feb 11 18:26:10 . Feb 11 18:26:29 proceeded to charge before doing its thing. then said it was disconnected...but it wasn't Feb 11 18:26:46 i went back to do again and now the part where it asks to connect phone, next button is dimmed Feb 11 18:27:01 but phone is connected (was) and has ginormous usb symbol on phone screen Feb 11 18:27:14 so im afraid to unplug and plug back in, but im thinking the thing wont show the next button til i do Feb 11 18:28:00 Yeah Feb 11 18:28:05 I had to restart when that happened Feb 11 18:28:16 my pone hasn't had anything written to it i imagine... Feb 11 18:28:17 and restrat the phone then plug it back in Feb 11 18:28:26 so i should just unplug usb and plug in again? Feb 11 18:28:29 or restart phone too? Feb 11 18:28:43 something is failing at that point and either stopping the driver or breaking the device connection Feb 11 18:28:54 try the phone first Feb 11 18:28:57 then restart it Feb 11 18:29:00 then restart the pc Feb 11 18:29:04 deppends what it takes Feb 11 18:29:06 restarting phone. Feb 11 18:29:17 it takes me all three if I dont get it on first shot Feb 11 18:29:36 i think my phone had a buggy os on it from day 1. i always thought it was a little slow in response. and i swear i remember updates being downloaded several times over, the same update Feb 11 18:29:49 and also the weird photo album thing. i can't take any more photos. it just overwrites the last one Feb 11 18:30:00 lost some kinda important photos... really sucks Feb 11 18:31:49 hmm no guess its frozen w/ palm logo Feb 11 18:31:53 as if it was going to startu p Feb 11 18:32:27 i swear if theres one bad copy in the lot, i get it Feb 11 18:32:37 Also homebrew stuff really screws up the phone Feb 11 18:32:50 anything that involves additional services slows it down Feb 11 18:33:03 Package manager, system services mgr etc Feb 11 18:33:19 the file system mgr for internalz Feb 11 18:33:29 all deppends on if you can live with it or not Feb 11 18:33:34 didnt have any home brew on Feb 11 18:33:43 ah finally Feb 11 18:33:48 i see the glow animation Feb 11 18:33:52 i thought i was porked for a second Feb 11 18:35:29 hmm well maybe i still am, sure is taking a long time Feb 11 18:36:06 ok. now that battery is green lets try this agin Feb 11 18:36:17 ah no more battery charging, its charged already! Feb 11 18:36:59 hi Feb 11 18:39:41 same thing, phone disconnected. which it didnt Feb 11 18:41:51 hi Feb 11 18:48:21 does having your phone in developer mode also slow it down? Feb 11 18:48:27 like after it's unlocked Feb 11 18:52:35 tom_m: i don't think so Feb 11 18:53:27 hmm i just think i somehow had a bad copy of the os installed. sounds silly but Feb 11 18:53:52 i feel like my phone was slower than other peoples and the weird bugs with photos and other things Feb 11 19:01:16 <_azdak> Anybody know if it's neccessary to reset window properties, event listeners, etc. with the cleanup() function? Feb 11 19:02:21 <_azdak> or if just closing the app does all that? Feb 11 19:02:32 well if you're closing it, i think you're good Feb 11 19:02:50 but, it's good practice to clean up listeners within the app Feb 11 19:03:03 <_azdak> Yeah, I assumed so, but I swear my phone runs slow after closing my app Feb 11 19:03:08 or else you'll start getting some weird stuf going on with event firing Feb 11 19:03:14 hmm Feb 11 19:03:31 <_azdak> oh yeah, I assumed so, between scenes and all Feb 11 19:03:37 i have that with some apps, but after a minute it speeds up again Feb 11 19:03:58 <_azdak> it's odd, because it doesn't seem to show up on palm-worm Feb 11 19:04:32 <_azdak> I'm assuming (fingers crossed) it's just garbage collection kicking in, or the like Feb 11 19:04:36 yeah Feb 11 19:05:19 i wonder if/when we'll ever get an update to the webos google maps app Feb 11 19:05:32 it's got to be the weakest implementation of a google maps application i've ever seen Feb 11 19:05:52 <_azdak> it's certainly not mind-blowing Feb 11 19:06:09 can't add favorites/locations, slow and freaks out. missing a lot of features that older version on other platforms have Feb 11 19:06:15 <_azdak> though with the way google seems headed, I wouldn't put much money on an update Feb 11 19:06:18 and we haven't seen even one update to that app since launch Feb 11 19:06:32 _azdak: what do you mean? Feb 11 19:06:51 <_azdak> the android focus Feb 11 19:07:07 true, but they have official apps on lots of phones Feb 11 19:07:18 symbian, java, etc Feb 11 19:07:25 <_azdak> and apparently webOS isn't even on their buzz roadmap Feb 11 19:08:09 Hello, I want to port a javascript application on webOS. I have got familiar with the mojo framework. So can you please tell me how to go about it? Feb 11 19:08:46 rohit1: that's a really broad question. you'll just have to get your hands dirty and give it a shot Feb 11 19:08:57 <_azdak> yeah, but porting between those has got to be a lot less effort than investing in webOS, which is pretty unique Feb 11 19:09:19 <_azdak> rohit1- do you have any specific questions or concerns? Feb 11 19:12:13 anyone know how to increase a number after each tab, but not using a global? Feb 11 19:12:20 <_azdak> My application has an html file with a little js in it and other js files are included in it and are dere seperately. Can i just use my index.html removing the js part in it and put all the js files in assistant folder.? Feb 11 19:12:58 I'll modify the gui according to the UI guidelines but not with the mojo framework Feb 11 19:13:23 such an application will be accepted Feb 11 19:13:25 ? Feb 11 19:15:04 <_azdak> rohit1- more or less. see: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1603&Itemid=20 Feb 11 19:15:29 <_azdak> I have no idea whether Palm will accept it- a lot of things go into that Feb 11 19:16:35 <_azdak> You're also not really going to be able to completely get away from Mojo- it's neccessary to pop scenes, take complex input, etc Feb 11 19:17:03 hi sugardave Feb 11 19:17:43 <_azdak> - cookies or depot? Feb 11 19:18:26 <_azdak> or you could just keep passing a local back and forth, I guess Feb 11 19:19:47 <_azdak> What's with all the people hating on mojo, anyhow? Feb 11 19:19:56 _azdak: what about neither? Feb 11 19:20:34 is it possible to have a global only in one scene? Feb 11 19:21:41 <_azdak> - what are you trying to do? Feb 11 19:21:42 rehi Feb 11 19:22:35 i have officially announded the application translation service: http://www.thinmachine.ch/service.html Feb 11 19:22:35 LoneStar99 global is global. Feb 11 19:23:56 swisstomcat: nice :) Feb 11 19:23:59 If you want "global in one scene", make the object a member of the scene class Feb 11 19:24:11 <_azdak>i dnt want to get completely away from mojo. Infact I wanted to know can i use it along, beacause need to do data storage and that can't be done without mojo. Don't want to use mojo everywhere because then i'll have to rewrite the whole code from scratch Feb 11 19:24:18 i hope the english on that page sounds ok :) Feb 11 19:25:10 hey Rick, haven't got a chance to go back through and make notes...first half of chap 4 looks good and I went back and skimmed 3 for code fixes, which look good Feb 11 19:25:31 <_azdak> rohit1- oh, ok. Yeah, you can use mojo just to control scenes, etc. and use vanilla js for the rest Feb 11 19:25:45 hey sugardave Feb 11 19:25:49 whatcha readin Feb 11 19:26:05 CTLAdvance: Rick's new novel Feb 11 19:26:09 will, try a few more things brb Feb 11 19:26:17 cool Feb 11 19:26:24 hes writing that quick eh? Feb 11 19:26:24 swisstomcat: english is fine, puncuation is a bit iffy ;) Feb 11 19:26:47 uh oh .. where? Feb 11 19:28:40 CTLAdvance: yeah, he's a writing machine :P Feb 11 19:28:40 swisstomcat: nothing major. it makes it seem legit that you can translate to german lol Feb 11 19:28:49 hehe Feb 11 19:32:57 scGlobal = 0;//RESET GLOBAL is what i have and resets back to "2" Feb 11 19:33:08 anyone know why that can be? Feb 11 19:34:10 then i open the scene and it resets to "3" and keeps going.... Feb 11 19:34:11 so far i have translated the radiotime and paintr lite descriptions Feb 11 19:34:26 for a fee? Feb 11 19:34:30 so far i have translated the radiotime and paintr lite description Feb 11 19:34:34 oops Feb 11 19:34:53 as a test Feb 11 19:34:58 of my abilities :) Feb 11 19:35:00 nice Feb 11 19:36:23 any one with experience in using video/audio objects? Feb 11 19:36:47 <_azdak> LoneStar99- it must be being set somewhere else in your code Feb 11 19:37:25 _azdak: yeah that is what I amt thinking Feb 11 19:37:49 <_azdak> I'd check your loops, and when they're firing Feb 11 19:38:00 <_azdak> (assuming you have some haha) Feb 11 19:38:33 _azdak: this what I have http://pastebin.com/d5451d486 Feb 11 19:41:46 LoneStar99: not enough code there to even think about where you might be setting scGlobal to 2 Feb 11 19:41:58 global search your project Feb 11 19:42:07 <_azdak> - where are setting the var? Feb 11 19:43:59 line 23 Feb 11 19:45:03 guess whos back Feb 11 19:45:21 back again Feb 11 19:45:28 yup Feb 11 19:45:34 have been on a hiatas Feb 11 19:45:48 have to get school and business stuff situated Feb 11 19:45:55 now im back on the scene Feb 11 19:45:58 hot Feb 11 19:46:21 priorites first right Feb 11 19:46:27 got a new project in mind Feb 11 19:46:44 <_azdak> - try sticking scGlobal = 0 outside the setup function Feb 11 19:47:18 LoneStar99: your counter check for 5 will never complete....UNLESS you are manipulating scGlobal in different scene...which would be a candidate for checking for your bug Feb 11 19:47:38 did you guys see this boygenius "palm halts production of pre and pre plus" thing? Feb 11 19:47:55 s/complete/run/ Feb 11 19:47:59 uh-oh Feb 11 19:48:01 where? Feb 11 19:48:08 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/02/11/palm-orders-halt-on-production-of-palm-pre-plus-palm-pixi-plus/ Feb 11 19:48:24 <_azdak> whoa Feb 11 19:48:26 <_azdak> fuck Feb 11 19:48:35 what the shit Feb 11 19:48:51 so either pre2, or no money :) Feb 11 19:49:00 lmfaooo Feb 11 19:49:06 they gonna have something big Feb 11 19:49:15 u didnt hear it from me shhhhhhh Feb 11 19:49:17 did you report it to precentral? Feb 11 19:49:37 ping metaview Feb 11 19:49:44 someone already started a thread on precentral about it Feb 11 19:49:48 atlanta: you don't know anything big :p Feb 11 19:50:01 zsoc: :-) just wait Feb 11 19:50:04 "I know my _______" Feb 11 19:50:08 zsoc: how u been my man Feb 11 19:50:15 they're going to annound the palmpad Feb 11 19:50:24 announce Feb 11 19:50:41 you heard it here first Feb 11 19:50:58 atlanta: good :) Feb 11 19:51:01 chuq himself will present it to the world Feb 11 19:51:20 atlanta: got flac workin finally Feb 11 19:52:21 oh lala you been working on goodies while ive been gone Feb 11 19:52:34 so i found out facebook opened xmpp on the facebook chat Feb 11 19:52:43 im going to see what i can pull out of the hat with that Feb 11 19:53:14 ok thanks let me do some tests Feb 11 19:53:40 atlanta: I'm the mf'ing WHE, I gotta do somethin' Feb 11 19:53:56 LMFAOOo what was that again WHE? Feb 11 19:54:56 oh lala xmpp4js is written in javascript Feb 11 19:55:11 my computer has bluescreend four times today. Feb 11 19:55:17 I'm getting really tired of this. Feb 11 19:56:34 Rick_work: what OS? Feb 11 19:56:53 windows 7 ultimate. Feb 11 19:57:03 WOAHHHHH Feb 11 19:57:05 * ivanst does the "OS X never did that" dance Feb 11 19:57:11 windows 7 bluescreen Feb 11 19:57:14 Rick_work: why windows? :p Feb 11 19:57:15 Palm reveals the: PrePad+ Feb 11 19:57:16 intel dual core 4 gig ram. Feb 11 19:57:20 mine has never bluescreen Feb 11 19:57:26 i thought they removed that feature Feb 11 19:57:27 lol Feb 11 19:57:31 neither has mine atlanta. Feb 11 19:57:35 until today. Feb 11 19:57:40 Rick_work: new drivers? Feb 11 19:57:41 Rick_work: debian ftw :p Feb 11 19:57:45 new device connected? Feb 11 19:57:46 clearly I have "something wrong." Feb 11 19:57:57 maybe some hardware is going bad... Feb 11 19:58:52 zsoc, if you can figure out how I can run 5 versions of microsoft foxpro, 3 versions of sql server, and visual studio, along with microsoft word running Manning publications templates, and google Chrome on debian, I'm prepared to listen. Otherwise, PPPPpppppfffffttttt. Feb 11 19:59:23 atlanta - no new hardware. LoneStar99 could be. Feb 11 19:59:27 Rick_work: ok ok. I conceed :p Feb 11 19:59:48 oh, and ditto that question to the OSX guy. Feb 11 19:59:55 Rick_work: what kinda work u do if u dont mind me asking Feb 11 20:00:14 I've been a partner in a small software development firm for 25 years. Feb 11 20:00:31 We write programs for social service agencies that care for mentally retarded adults. Feb 11 20:00:32 cool cool Feb 11 20:00:35 sugardave: so more than likely the global is being interfered with somewhere? Feb 11 20:02:41 hi Feb 11 20:03:02 hey Feb 11 20:03:29 hi Feb 11 20:03:48 can anyone tell me how to use system date? Feb 11 20:03:52 anybody good with xmpp and phyton Feb 11 20:04:24 phyton? no way :D Feb 11 20:05:40 howdy Feb 11 20:05:47 ydwoh Feb 11 20:05:51 LoneStar99: yes Feb 11 20:05:57 MetaView: lol Feb 11 20:06:47 Yatharth what do you need? Feb 11 20:07:49 Rick_work: the answer is, lobby the software dev firm to use oss :) Feb 11 20:08:13 zsoc, _I_ am the software dev firm, but I have 25 years of legacy apps out there. Feb 11 20:08:24 Rick_work: or run windows in virtualbox, more stable that way. Feb 11 20:10:20 Any one had any apps approved in the last few days? Feb 11 20:10:26 Rick_work: your bluescreens may have not let you see my response earlier Feb 11 20:10:30 hey Rick, haven't got a chance to go back through and make notes...first half of chap 4 looks good and I went back and skimmed 3 for code fixes, which look good Feb 11 20:11:40 how would you get a tab-char into an html email? Feb 11 20:12:18 Rich_work:there is a field in my table which stores date...So i want take the current date Feb 11 20:12:25 how can i do so Feb 11 20:12:28 I wanna create a CSV file, if you don't have the filemgr service installed, you get a prefilled email, now I need to specify tabulatro char and newline Feb 11 20:12:35 newline is easy, but the tab? Feb 11 20:12:44 new Date() Feb 11 20:12:52 var dt = new Date(); Feb 11 20:14:13 found it: 
Feb 11 20:20:34 * MetaView dances
Feb 11 20:20:37  Yatharth  it's javascript, just create a date object.
Feb 11 20:20:58  what MetaView said Yatharth
Feb 11 20:21:33  and if you need the date formatted, mojo has date formatting tools in the API
Feb 11 20:23:41  metaview  
 will display preformatted info.  to include a tab character, use chr(9)
Feb 11 20:25:03  including the tab isn't the problem, but to retain it in the html email
Feb 11 20:25:19  
 did the trick. It's perfect now
Feb 11 20:25:45  I like \t more :)
Feb 11 20:30:58 <_azdak> Ok- I want to put something to a vote here: for a shooter-style game- cover notifications area, cover top bar, both, or neither?
Feb 11 20:32:26 <_azdak> scratch that.  fullscreen or no?
Feb 11 20:34:03  _azdak: pdk forces fullscreen doesn't it?
Feb 11 20:34:37 <_azdak> dunno. Not using the pdk
Feb 11 20:35:04  oh. you said shooter, I'm confused I guess :)
Feb 11 20:36:25 <_azdak> canvas, yo
Feb 11 20:36:36  excellent :)
Feb 11 20:40:05  Rick_work: is the man!
Feb 11 20:48:42 * MetaView tries to parse an asx file with XML, but fails - no clue why
Feb 11 20:51:26  pink floyd: the wall on http://c1.mp3.liquidcompass.net/WRIFFM
Feb 11 20:55:31  hallo metaview
Feb 11 20:56:48  hi swisstomcat
Feb 11 20:57:58  hey, I'm trying to do a .showAlertDialog in my custom .js file. Naturally when I call this.controller.showAlertDialog I get an error in inspector about the method not defined
Feb 11 20:58:17  how can I call a .showAlertDialog inside a custom .js file?
Feb 11 21:01:13  VincentLaw: you'll have to go through mojo top->down to get the controller
Feb 11 21:01:16  VincentLaw: if showAlertDialog is a method of the scene controller, you can try Mojo.Controller.appController.getActiveStageController().activeScene().showAlertDialog()
Feb 11 21:01:18  this.controller isn't going to work
Feb 11 21:01:29  what he said.
Feb 11 21:02:40  sugardave is getting his mojo work'n...
Feb 11 21:02:53  it's burned into my brain
Feb 11 21:02:59  has anyone seen this: http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/02/11/palm-orders-halt-on-production-of-palm-pre-plus-palm-pixi-plus/
Feb 11 21:03:06  ivanst: yep
Feb 11 21:03:25  VincentLaw: you could also pass in to your custom .js, a reference to your controller
Feb 11 21:03:36  VincentLaw: that, too :D
Feb 11 21:03:45  ivanst: yeah, its since been debunked.. chinese new year :)
Feb 11 21:03:50  phew
Feb 11 21:04:08  debunked, where?
Feb 11 21:04:12  engadget
Feb 11 21:04:20  good to hear
Feb 11 21:04:23  http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/11/debunk-palm-not-halting-pre-pixi-production-just-on-hold-for/?s=t5
Feb 11 21:04:55  so much for getting everyone worked up already
Feb 11 21:05:55  hah
Feb 11 21:06:11  it has been rumored they're going to be purchased though
Feb 11 21:06:19  by whom tho?
Feb 11 21:06:21  so... maybe not so far from truth
Feb 11 21:07:27  man. i would love to have an AT&T Pre
Feb 11 21:07:39  rumor for may..
Feb 11 21:07:47  i really might do that
Feb 11 21:08:07  my gf would like to have a pixi
Feb 11 21:08:58  my gf hates the pre
Feb 11 21:09:07  well, she hates anything with a touchscreen
Feb 11 21:09:22  i can't really blame her for that
Feb 11 21:09:26  :)
Feb 11 21:09:37  I really miss the 5-way keys on the pre
Feb 11 21:09:52  a pre + 5-way keys would be great
Feb 11 21:09:56  DELL
Feb 11 21:10:10  it has been the rumor for a year now
Feb 11 21:10:38  is there a page up/down char code?
Feb 11 21:11:23  [16:03:14]  VincentLaw: you could also pass in to your custom .js, a reference to your controller <-- how would I do that, that sounds more... efficient :p
Feb 11 21:12:25  i'm assuming that you are calling your custom .js stuff from an existing scene assistant, right?
Feb 11 21:13:26  actually, via sources
Feb 11 21:13:40  but I am calling a function in it from my scene
Feb 11 21:13:55  right
Feb 11 21:14:31  calling it from your scene assistant though, right?
Feb 11 21:15:56  yes
Feb 11 21:17:15  so if your function is foo(), then just pass your controller as an arg... call: foo(this.controller); and foo = function(controller) { // dosomething with controller
Feb 11 21:21:43  Hi! I've trouble with coding a "headless" dashboard app, are their any examples beside the palm.app.news app that i can view?
Feb 11 21:21:51  kmudrick: figures it'd be that easy. I was expecting something more complicated haha
Feb 11 21:21:53  thanks a lot
Feb 11 21:23:39  sameless plug: application translation service (to german): http://www.thinmachine.ch/service.html
Feb 11 21:24:15  to believe a swiss man speaks German...
Feb 11 21:24:24  VincentLaw: NP. I like my "external" js stuff to be kind of mojo-unaware, so usually I pass in like, a handle to an onsuccess function and a handle to an onfailure function (both existing in the scene assistant) and those actually do any mojo actions, like displaying dialog,etc
Feb 11 21:24:39  I know a guy named Dirk who is German but lives in Switzerland
Feb 11 21:25:22  rretsiem: what seems to be the trouble
Feb 11 21:25:30  swisstomcat: How much does the service run, anyhoo?
Feb 11 21:25:43  Say, for an app like Match 'Em?
Feb 11 21:25:50  roy: free for open source apps
Feb 11 21:26:02  Match'Em isn't propably Open Source
Feb 11 21:26:04  Shoot, all apps on webOS are open source. ;D
Feb 11 21:26:05  :)
Feb 11 21:26:13  roy: probably by the hour for everything else
Feb 11 21:26:22  Im trying a pure dashboard app, but i always get a card stage present when i launch the app and no dashboard icon/symbol
Feb 11 21:26:29  email me what you need and i'll get you a quote
Feb 11 21:26:42  rretsiem: window = false
Feb 11 21:26:46  Sure, to the thinmachine address?
Feb 11 21:26:49  in appinfo.js?
Feb 11 21:26:54  roy: yeah
Feb 11 21:27:15  MetaView: i have noWindow:true set in appinfo
Feb 11 21:27:38  yeap, ok
Feb 11 21:27:56  then, the app-assitant opens the card
Feb 11 21:27:58  my code is base on the palm.app.news sample code and some snippets i've found in the developer docs
Feb 11 21:28:25  MetaView: what? i must set noWindow to false?
Feb 11 21:28:34  no, noWindow=true
Feb 11 21:28:47  it was my fault to mix them up
Feb 11 21:29:05  o.k.
Feb 11 21:29:35  swiss speak swiss-german but write german-german :)
Feb 11 21:29:53  as long as you don't want me to dub your youtube videos you should be fine
Feb 11 21:29:55  except when they speak and write something else.
Feb 11 21:30:55  except when they try to write swiss-german
Feb 11 21:31:08  because there are no rules how to write it
Feb 11 21:31:19  swiss are kinda funny i think
Feb 11 21:31:24  in that regard :)
Feb 11 21:35:34  Is there generally a way to have a dashboard app always present? I try to implement a music player in the dashboard panel that needs no card, only 2 buttons a progress-slider and a textline. And there are no examples i've found for
Feb 11 21:36:04  rretsiem  you will need to launch a card to launch the app.
Feb 11 21:36:10  well....
Feb 11 21:36:37  and when i close the card the app remains not active?
Feb 11 21:37:21  no, that's why you will need an app-assistant not a stage-assistant.
Feb 11 21:38:00  with an app that starts through a stage assistant when the last card closes, the stage disappears and the app closes
Feb 11 21:38:12  but if you use an app assistant, the app can persist past stage close.
Feb 11 21:39:01  but how are you going to pick a file to play if there's no card?  Where is your about going to be?  your help file?  Etc.  You can RUN your audio in a dashboard, but the app needs to be able to bring up a card for that other stuff.
Feb 11 21:39:16  o.k. i've a app-assistant setup like so many examples on the palm developer side, but how can i access the dashboard when i closed the last card?
Feb 11 21:39:59  Rick_work: the app takes a argument that is called from a second app, so the second app is the starter
Feb 11 21:40:07  kmudrick: unfortunately it's still not working. getting: Uncaught ReferenceError: controller is not defined.
Feb 11 21:40:30  I made sure I was giving it this.controller, and put controller in the function in the custom js.
Feb 11 21:40:31  rretsiem  why do that?  Why not just have the launching app create the dashboard.
Feb 11 21:41:44  simple reason, hard to explain :-) im trying to bring the frontend app in the AppCatalog, but the dashboard app should be homebrew
Feb 11 21:42:04  so therefore i need the 2 apps
Feb 11 21:42:31  kmudrick: nevermind, figured it out :p
Feb 11 21:43:27  VincentLaw: Im not involved in your problem, but it sounds like you didn't call your function with an .bind(this) but anyway u got it :)
Feb 11 21:43:49  nah that wasn't it. it was because it wasn't passing down to the other function in the custom js
Feb 11 21:47:34  if in your app you save a users email address so that they can send the output of the app to themselves. is it ok if i send that email address to my check-in backend too?
Feb 11 21:47:54  are there some examples of an item-info template with some widgets, I'm always getting my banner in the panel and the card but the widgets i've defined in my template are displayed in the card, not in the dashboard
Feb 11 21:51:10  ping roy-pre101
Feb 11 21:51:17  pong
Feb 11 21:51:36  pm?
Feb 11 21:52:16  sure
Feb 11 21:56:58  Bmyers: I would say that's okay, but only if you disclose that it is doing that before the user gives their email address.
Feb 11 21:57:09  of course expect to get questions as to why as well
Feb 11 21:57:38  better still if you just give them the option to opt in
Feb 11 22:05:19  Sooo, I'm going to ask my question here one last time... Anyone know how to control the scene scroller? I want to check to see if the scroller is at the bottom but am unable to access the scene scroller
Feb 11 22:06:16  this computer must die.
Feb 11 22:06:31  I'm thinking sledgehammer.
Feb 11 22:06:34  DIE!
Feb 11 22:07:20  no, wait, I can do better than that. My best friend just got a case of 9mm.
Feb 11 22:07:33  Tibfib: you could do something crazy like disable the built-in scroller and use your own
Feb 11 22:07:40  one word, Rick_work: thermite
Feb 11 22:08:03  sugardave: that would take too much time
Feb 11 22:08:38  I'd have to find the pushScene functions and add in "disableblahblah" to every instance of it
Feb 11 22:08:43  I have 300+
Feb 11 22:08:54  And yes I know find and replace...
Feb 11 22:09:00  300 scenes?
Feb 11 22:09:08  300 references to push a scene
Feb 11 22:09:22  300 is an estimate
Feb 11 22:09:23  hah
Feb 11 22:09:39  your flowchart must look insane
Feb 11 22:09:51  haha, no flowchart.
Feb 11 22:09:56  It's a book app
Feb 11 22:10:02  Pages link to each other and so on
Feb 11 22:10:08  why does something tell me that structurally, this could have been done better.
Feb 11 22:10:13  hehe
Feb 11 22:10:54  Dang, so does no one know?
Feb 11 22:11:17  Tibfib  i just got here. What are you trying to do?
Feb 11 22:11:27  (besides code a book in the hardest possible way)
Feb 11 22:11:30  control the scene scroller
Feb 11 22:11:39  Specifically, check to see if it as the bottom
Feb 11 22:11:40  quick q: is .cleanup only ran when the scene is /destroyed/, as in like when the application is closed? or even with another scene is pushed on top?
Feb 11 22:12:27  deactivate is called when a scene is pushed down and another scene pushed on top of it.  Cleanup is called when a scene is POPPED or SWAPPED or CLOSED
Feb 11 22:12:42  this.controller.get('mojo-scene-' + sceneName + '-scene-scroller').revealBottom();
Feb 11 22:12:42  didn't work
Feb 11 22:13:00  Tibfib: you need a .mojo in there
Feb 11 22:13:01  no, that wouldn't work.
Feb 11 22:13:18  Mojo.Controller.SceneController.getSceneScroller()
Feb 11 22:13:20  didn't work either
Feb 11 22:13:37  _s_
Feb 11 22:14:02  (which is the one I expected to)
Feb 11 22:14:52  honestly, this.controller.sceneScroller should work.
Feb 11 22:15:21  That's what I thought... :/
Feb 11 22:15:45  Tibfib  do you know an element on the page?
Feb 11 22:16:05  like id="TextBody" or something?
Feb 11 22:16:12  Yeah
Feb 11 22:16:56  another quick q, Rick_work: is deactivate and cleanup called when cleanup is called, or do I need to copypasta/function everything I have in deactivate to ensure it happens on app close as well?
Feb 11 22:17:01  myElement = this.controller.get("Mydiv")
Feb 11 22:17:23  myScroller = Mojo.View.getScrollerForElement(myElement)
Feb 11 22:17:32  myscroller.revealBottom();
Feb 11 22:17:40  Okay I'll try that
Feb 11 22:17:46  thanks
Feb 11 22:19:47  sugardave: have looked everywhere and to no avail, there is no reference to scGlobal anywhere except the .js file in question...
Feb 11 22:20:26  Tibfib  there is also mojo.controller.SceneController.getSceneScroller()
Feb 11 22:20:40  Rick: that one doesn't work
Feb 11 22:20:50  does it return an undefined?
Feb 11 22:20:54  at least in the emu I'm using (not 1.3.5)
Feb 11 22:20:57  you were trying to do everything in one step.
Feb 11 22:21:00  it errors
Feb 11 22:21:09  weird.
Feb 11 22:21:36  does get scrollerforelement error?
Feb 11 22:21:44  it looks like it
Feb 11 22:21:56  yep
Feb 11 22:22:10  VincentLaw  when you pop a scene, deactivate is called, then cleanup is called.
Feb 11 22:22:30  Tibfib  are you trying to do this from the SCENE assistant or the STAGE assistant.
Feb 11 22:22:37  scene assistant
Feb 11 22:23:05  and this.controller.getSceneScroller() returns an error or underfined?
Feb 11 22:23:11  error
Feb 11 22:23:20  the scene doesn't display properly if I put it in setup
Feb 11 22:23:32  YOU CAN"T DO IT IN SETUP
Feb 11 22:23:33  or it freezes if I put it into an app menu item
Feb 11 22:23:36  arrrggghhhhh
Feb 11 22:23:47  Tibfib  --  :-)
Feb 11 22:24:00  in setup, the html for the scene has not yet been instantiated.
Feb 11 22:24:28  in ACTIVATE do this:     var myScroller = this.controller.getSceneScroller();
Feb 11 22:24:33  and see if you get an error.
Feb 11 22:24:54  then, in menus or when you need it you can yse myScroller.
Feb 11 22:25:05  well,  do this.myScroller  instead of var.  :-)
Feb 11 22:25:29  activate happens AFTER the html has been rendered, so the scroller exists.
Feb 11 22:25:34  okay testing it
Feb 11 22:26:02  LoneStar99: then how does scGlobal get to 5?
Feb 11 22:27:25  rick: it errors when I call 	this.myScroller.revealBottom();
Feb 11 22:27:47  ok, can you verify that myScroller is not undefined?
Feb 11 22:28:48  doing so now
Feb 11 22:30:17  so in a test in my activate I just did: this.controller.get('mojo-scene-[name]-scene-scroller').mojo.revealBottom();
Feb 11 22:30:25  and it appears to be working
Feb 11 22:30:29  dang
Feb 11 22:30:33  sugardave:  http://pastebin.com/d5451d486 line 30 - when there is a tap on DIV  "var counter = scGlobal += 1"  adds one...
Feb 11 22:30:38  it might be 1.uhhh4cough
Feb 11 22:31:16  and I just did this.controller.getSceneScroller.revealBottom();  in 1.3.5.1  and it worked fine.
Feb 11 22:31:23  dang
Feb 11 22:31:28  looks like I'll report this to palm
Feb 11 22:32:20  Tibfib  it works fine for me.
Feb 11 22:32:27  on 1.4?
Feb 11 22:32:38  on 1.3.5.1
Feb 11 22:32:50  Okay, I'll test in on 1.3.5.1 now
Feb 11 22:33:00  ssh, don't talk about 1.4 :)
Feb 11 22:33:14  the submit app still forgets what I entered in the last version -> it sucks!
Feb 11 22:33:58  my bad swisstomcat: :O
Feb 11 22:35:26  "there was an error saving the application meta data"
Feb 11 22:35:34  WTH?
Feb 11 22:35:40  h/F
Feb 11 22:36:49  Tibfib: re-verified it works in 1.3.5, as well
Feb 11 22:37:50  Whoa
Feb 11 22:38:02  sugardave's method worked in 1.cough4cough
Feb 11 22:38:07  this.controller.get('mojo-scene-[name]-scene-scroller').mojo.revealBottom();
Feb 11 22:38:15  yes, it works in 1.3.5, too
Feb 11 22:38:22  at least log-wise
Feb 11 22:38:37  don't really have a scroll-worthy scene...but it's sending the events
Feb 11 22:39:31  works in 1.3.5.1 and 1.somethingelse confimed
Feb 11 22:39:34  confirmed*
Feb 11 22:40:44  thanks for all the helps guys
Feb 11 22:42:05  heading home
Feb 11 22:42:06  bbl
Feb 11 22:45:11  g'night everyone
Feb 11 22:47:23  n9
Feb 11 22:47:34  n8
Feb 11 22:47:54  gn
Feb 12 00:09:41  whats up with that?
Feb 12 00:16:57  hey haeffb:
Feb 12 00:34:56  hey Bmyers
Feb 12 00:36:11  you on the road?
Feb 12 00:38:37  sugardave: you there?
Feb 12 00:38:50  weirdest thing...
Feb 12 00:56:24  shouldn't an sql UPDATE call the supplied error or success handlers rather than the callback directly?
Feb 12 00:57:28  at a HS bball game
Feb 12 00:59:15  jfelectron: it does call the onSuccess for me
Feb 12 01:00:11  haeffb_pre:  yeah....I think it should. I have one that does, but another that just dumps the SQL object back to the callback, but skips over the success/error handlers
Feb 12 01:01:20  which callback do you mean?
Feb 12 01:02:31  haeffb_pre:  I have a generic class that encapsulates  sql queries....that class gets passed the ultimate callback...but the executeSQL gets passed success and error callbacks that are methods of the class. Only those internal callbacks should call the ultimate external callback
Feb 12 01:03:56  ah. so how does the UPDATE even know about yoir ultimate callback?
Feb 12 01:04:44  haeffb_pre: EXACTLY....I have no idea....its a mystery
Feb 12 01:05:13  its possible the debugger is just failing to break inside the success handler...I'll stick a log in there to see
Feb 12 01:05:55  so your success handler must be being called....
Feb 12 01:07:43  probably...but it doesn't seem to being formatted by it...could be an error that bails and still calls the ultimate callback
Feb 12 01:07:47  dunno...investigating
Feb 12 01:13:41  jfelectron: are you still parameterizing your SQL queries even with a class encapsulating them?  I'm not sure how you do that generically
Feb 12 01:14:13  destinal:  yeah, basically pass args and query to a method of the class
Feb 12 01:14:22  ah
Feb 12 01:14:35  destinal: works for everything else...just behaving odd in this one case
Feb 12 01:15:30  I bet if the original designers of SQL thought we would be running around with our phones running all kinds of SQL queries against little databases stored on them they'd think it was crazy
Feb 12 01:18:09  destinal: yeah probably....lot of overhead considering what we're doing with them
Feb 12 01:19:15  totally unlike HTML, CSS, javascript, and a full services architecture, of course ..  :P
Feb 12 01:21:16  yeah...I'm hoping the PDK exposes enough interesting stuff to allow for more efficient patterns
Feb 12 01:39:20  whats new
Feb 12 02:22:59  Any one work with XMPP before?
Feb 12 02:36:04  Hi all!
Feb 12 02:36:11  helo
Feb 12 02:36:59  hey LoneStar99 how's it going?
Feb 12 02:37:18  good testing a new ui for my main app
Feb 12 02:37:27  cool!
Feb 12 02:38:19  how is everything going out westa
Feb 12 02:38:41  great. I decided to take my vacation a day early!
Feb 12 02:38:55  wow nice, where u going on vaction?
Feb 12 02:39:16  lol nowhere...i'm already living where i like to vacation
Feb 12 02:39:21  goog for you
Feb 12 02:39:25  good..
Feb 12 02:39:29  hi Bmyers!
Feb 12 02:39:30  well, goog too....
Feb 12 02:39:34  lol
Feb 12 02:39:35  Hi Jenp!
Feb 12 02:39:41  how are you?
Feb 12 02:39:53  getting caught up slowly.
Feb 12 02:39:57  you on vacation now?
Feb 12 02:40:06  yup!
Feb 12 02:40:13  had to sneak out the back door...lol
Feb 12 02:40:22  awesome JenP
Feb 12 02:40:30  they are "very disapointed in me" for not cancelling it
Feb 12 02:40:40  SD a great place for vacation
Feb 12 02:40:43  boo f'n woo
Feb 12 02:40:49  yes it is....LOL
Feb 12 02:41:09  but i'm just looking forward to sleeping in, and getting a few honey do's out of the way
Feb 12 02:41:22  did you leave some tissues in case they start to cry ?
Feb 12 02:41:51  lol
Feb 12 02:42:09  so Jenp can come out and play tonight?
Feb 12 02:42:10  oh I'd be mad if they said something like that to me
Feb 12 02:42:17  lol
Feb 12 02:42:22  i actually felt bad....as i was starting to leave my assistant created a bug in the program
Feb 12 02:42:50  like "Oh, so vacations are just a formality now? Did I somehow not do enough for this company to earn a vacation? I thought the entire reason I had a vacation was because I had worked and sacrificed enough for the company for the privilege."
Feb 12 02:43:08  VincentLaw" it's no biggie. every one
Feb 12 02:43:13  s just under the gun
Feb 12 02:43:25  and the did "LET" me leave
Feb 12 02:43:28  I know, I just get annoyed by business politics easily :p
Feb 12 02:43:47  totally
Feb 12 02:47:03  today i commited the ultimate act of laziness....to celebrate my vacation....I ordered groceries online...they'll be delivered tomorrow
Feb 12 02:47:43  wow, who delivers in vons?
Feb 12 02:52:25  hey jenp
Feb 12 02:53:24  hi haeffb_pre!
Feb 12 02:53:49  how are you?
Feb 12 02:55:04  hey all - I am having trouble getting eclipse to debug applications? I got ares to debug just fine, but no luck with eclipse. I am running galelio w/the palm plugin, as well as aptana studio
Feb 12 02:55:39  good. thanks for the review!
Feb 12 02:55:58  well what can I say...I know the developer....LOL
Feb 12 02:58:03  Also, does aptana tailView work with the palm logging? Seems that only palm-log -f does the trick :(
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