**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Feb 14 02:59:57 2010
Feb 14 05:58:58 <jfelectron> dude wtf is up with slacker....their website is an abomination, it hates WebKit browsers
Feb 14 06:00:25 <JenP> hi all
Feb 14 06:03:34 <rwhitby> hey JenP
Feb 14 06:03:43 <JenP> hey rod how ya doing?
Feb 14 06:03:54 <rwhitby> Preware 0.9.24 and ipkgservice 0.9.35 released.
Feb 14 06:04:17 <JenP> oh that's great!
Feb 14 06:04:25 <rwhitby> and just got back from a good bike ride with my son and his friend.
Feb 14 06:04:43 <JenP> always a plus! how olds your son?
Feb 14 06:05:47 <rwhitby> 9
Feb 14 06:06:28 <rwhitby> So Preware now has updates-only feeds for palm-web, palm-catalog and palm-beta
Feb 14 06:06:44 <rwhitby> so you can choose to get everything, or just stuff from the last 48 hours.
Feb 14 06:07:49 <JenP> oh that's cool
Feb 14 06:07:51 <jfelectron> rwhitby: oh nice
Feb 14 06:08:16 <rwhitby> next big improvement will be pipelining the downloading and loading of the feeds, doing both in parallel as much as possible.
Feb 14 06:08:38 <rwhitby> but I need to work out how to do data structures in javascript before I can start that one.
Feb 14 06:09:28 <jfelectron> as parallel as one can be with asynchronous requests....:)
Feb 14 06:09:36 <rwhitby> (I need to read the config files, store the feed identifiers and URLs, then as each URL is reported to have been loaded, I can load the packages from the corresponding list named by the identifier)
Feb 14 06:09:44 <JenP> rod it's come such  a long way
Feb 14 06:10:17 <rwhitby> JenP: yeah, but still less than 2% of webOS owners use Preware.
Feb 14 06:10:49 <JenP> i know
Feb 14 06:11:05 <rwhitby> (the smartest 2% of course)
Feb 14 06:11:05 <JenP> it needs to get into the app catalog some how
Feb 14 06:11:09 <JenP> lol ofcourse
Feb 14 06:11:33 <JenP> maybe an app that will lead them to preware?....
Feb 14 06:12:09 <jfelectron> JenP: or just get palm to drop their catalog app and support the real deal with Preware :)
Feb 14 06:12:36 <JenP> yeah...if we could do that it would be kick A**
Feb 14 06:14:17 <rwhitby> So I had a look at that 2G update application that Palm released.
Feb 14 06:15:30 <JenP> yeah?
Feb 14 06:16:20 <rwhitby> Turns out that the unpack a half-finished update directly into the /var filesystem, using a security vulnerability that was fixed in 1.3.5, and then the reboot starts the update process.
Feb 14 06:17:03 <rwhitby> If we had known about it, we could have got fileCoaster or palm-install to install Preware in one action.
Feb 14 06:17:15 <JenP> lol
Feb 14 06:46:29 <rbredow> Anyone know ares very well at all?  Not making much progress building an app with an Ares scene.
Feb 14 06:46:33 <rbredow> I've posted all the details here:  http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=5197
Feb 14 12:23:02 <Bmyers> morn'n
Feb 14 13:34:37 <Yatharth> hi everyone
Feb 14 13:36:00 <Yatharth> i am trying to use foereign key constraint on my table
Feb 14 13:36:45 <Yatharth> but the on delete cascade,on update cascade constraint is not working in sqlite
Feb 14 13:37:04 <Yatharth> can anyone tell how to do so in correct manner
Feb 14 13:37:34 <Yatharth> actually it is not showing any error but its not working properly
Feb 14 14:25:13 <Yatharth> i am trying to use foereign key constraint on my table...can anyone tell how to do so in correct manner
Feb 14 14:29:32 <fanatsumy> http://www.sqlite.org/foreignkeys.html
Feb 14 14:35:32 <Yatharth> fanatsumy:i am using the following sqlite quey:-create table data1(id integer primary key autoincrement,name_id integer references data(id) on delete cascade on update cascade,num integer default 0);
Feb 14 14:35:47 <Yatharth> but the delete cascade constraint is not working
Feb 14 16:38:10 <scottb> Howdy
Feb 14 18:14:27 <scottb> Any one ever run into an issue of a scene rendering different when you pop it then push it right after?
Feb 14 18:48:23 <jfelectron> how does JS determine equality of arbitrary objects? I have two objects that 'look' the same...ie all the properties have the same values, but A==B returns false. If I do Object.toJSON(A)==Object.toJSON(B) that's true
Feb 14 18:50:15 <pacemkr> in the first case, A=B, it tests if the object references equal
Feb 14 18:50:24 <pacemkr> in the second you are comparing two strings
Feb 14 18:51:24 <pacemkr> even in C/C++ you cant directly compare objects like that
Feb 14 18:51:48 <pacemkr> you would need to overload the == operator, in JS you cant do that at all
Feb 14 18:52:13 <pacemkr> so my suggestion is to make sure that A and B are literally the same object, if possible
Feb 14 18:53:08 <pacemkr> or use an identifier to compare the objects
Feb 14 18:53:14 <pacemkr> A.id == B.id
Feb 14 18:53:56 <jfelectron> pacemkr: thanks.....that clear things up. I'll try the id thing
Feb 14 19:17:58 <scottb> New game about to hit beta :D
Feb 14 19:20:17 <Tibfib> what game?
Feb 14 19:21:17 <scottb> Minefield (minesweeper)
Feb 14 19:21:50 <scottb> I only included one of the gameplay modes for the moment but I'll have a few variants in it to build on the classic game
Feb 14 19:21:55 <Tibfib> nice
Feb 14 19:22:01 <scottb> http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.scottbyrns.b.minefield
Feb 14 19:22:04 <Tibfib> id be happy to beta test it if you want someone
Feb 14 19:22:07 <scottb> (Not quite active)
Feb 14 19:22:40 <scottb> Trying the ad supported model on this one, see how it compares to my paid app
Feb 14 19:22:46 <scottb> Should be interesting
Feb 14 19:27:03 <Tibfib> yeah let me know how it goes
Feb 14 20:03:59 <Tibfib> Soooo... if I'm using an sqlite database as the items of my list, how would I make the sql "reorderable"? Would I have to dumb the contents and re add them on every list reorder? Or is there an easier way?
Feb 14 20:06:00 <Tibfib> s/dumb/dump
Feb 14 20:26:43 <scottb> Tibfib: Minefield is now available for download
Feb 14 20:27:39 <Tibfib> dling it now!
Feb 14 20:28:02 <Tibfib> hahaha nice description
Feb 14 20:29:24 <Tibfib> okay two things so far, pause the time when you minimize the app
Feb 14 20:30:02 <Tibfib> AND another thing that I think helps minesweeper games is to toggle the click/flag when you press on a revealed square
Feb 14 20:30:06 <Tibfib> the game can go a lot faster
Feb 14 20:30:45 <scottb> Eh?
Feb 14 20:30:48 <scottb> Toggle the click flag on a press ??
Feb 14 20:31:00 <Tibfib> Alright so once you click on a square it goes black
Feb 14 20:31:05 <Tibfib> or it explodes if it's a bomb
Feb 14 20:31:06 <scottb> Meaning if you press on a revealed space have it switch to flag?
Feb 14 20:31:14 <Tibfib> Yep
Feb 14 20:31:15 <Tibfib> just toggle it
Feb 14 20:31:26 <Tibfib> You could have it as an option
Feb 14 20:31:31 <scottb> Hmm
Feb 14 20:31:36 <scottb> Yeah, that would be easy enough
Feb 14 20:31:43 <Tibfib> also, the vib is nice but an option would be nicer ;)
Feb 14 20:31:49 <Tibfib> option to turn it off*
Feb 14 20:32:35 <crasheed> Are we allowed to contact the people who review our apps?
Feb 14 20:32:46 <crasheed> or is there an official channel to go through?
Feb 14 20:32:47 <scottb> crasheed: I do through comments all the time
Feb 14 20:32:51 <Tibfib> crasheed: I emailed someone... they can choose not to response
Feb 14 20:32:56 <Tibfib> respond* dangit
Feb 14 20:33:19 <crasheed> scottb this is post review
Feb 14 20:33:26 <crasheed> they pulled my app off the web catalog
Feb 14 20:33:36 <scottb> Oh, what happened?
Feb 14 20:33:36 <crasheed> which I thought was not moderated but apparently not
Feb 14 20:33:52 <crasheed> They say my app violates copyright lol
Feb 14 20:34:08 <Tibfib> music wave?
Feb 14 20:34:10 <scottb> Wow, what was your app?
Feb 14 20:34:12 <crasheed> so i wrote up a response email
Feb 14 20:34:16 <crasheed> and i dunno who to send it too
Feb 14 20:34:19 <crasheed> yea it's Music Wave
Feb 14 20:34:26 <Tibfib> Chuq it up
Feb 14 20:34:31 <crasheed> it made 300$ before they pulled it thou
Feb 14 20:34:41 <Tibfib> Ads?
Feb 14 20:34:46 <crasheed> nope
Feb 14 20:34:54 <crasheed> i sold it at 7.49 a piece
Feb 14 20:34:57 <crasheed> the paid version
Feb 14 20:35:03 <crasheed> on the web catalog
Feb 14 20:35:07 <Tibfib> Oh via your site?
Feb 14 20:35:12 <crasheed> yea kinda
Feb 14 20:35:17 <Tibfib> Gotcha
Feb 14 20:35:23 <crasheed> actually i didn't advertise it at all
Feb 14 20:35:27 <crasheed> but people managed to find it
Feb 14 20:36:01 <crasheed> so do i send it to Chuq or the Guy who pulled it?
Feb 14 20:36:07 <Tibfib> Oh and scottb: change the "new game" button from a <div> to a <button>
Feb 14 20:36:15 <Tibfib> crasheed: do you know who pulled it?
Feb 14 20:36:19 <crasheed> yes
Feb 14 20:36:25 <crasheed> one of the palm reviewers
Feb 14 20:36:26 <Tibfib> scottb: the button doesn't go down or up
Feb 14 20:36:32 <scottb> Hmm ok
Feb 14 20:36:39 <crasheed> he emailed me with a reason and such
Feb 14 20:36:43 <Tibfib> Id say send it to reviewer
Feb 14 20:36:46 <Tibfib> cc to chuq
Feb 14 20:37:09 <crasheed> hrmm good idea
Feb 14 20:37:19 <Tibfib> or visa versa
Feb 14 20:39:48 <scottb> Tibfib: Overall rating?
Feb 14 20:40:19 <Tibfib> with the things I said, 4.5 (just cuz I hate ads)
Feb 14 20:40:22 <Tibfib> id give a paid version 5
Feb 14 20:40:59 <Tibfib> but that's not really fair to rate something on...hah
Feb 14 20:41:26 <scottb> No, it is :P
Feb 14 20:41:29 <scottb> I hate the ads too
Feb 14 20:41:45 <scottb> I will sooner pay for an app than tolerate ads
Feb 14 20:41:58 <scottb> If I download an iphone app with ads I remove it right away
Feb 14 20:42:13 <Tibfib> Same.... I'm not a fan of the sky theme either... good thing it isn't the only one.. :D
Feb 14 20:42:15 <scottb> But I want to see how people react compared
Feb 14 20:42:23 <scottb> Tibfib: Nor am I :P
Feb 14 20:42:31 <scottb> Wanted to try to do some cloud thing
Feb 14 20:42:36 <scottb> Kinda lame
Feb 14 20:42:43 <scottb> I'll be redesigning it later on
Feb 14 20:42:49 <scottb> And adding a few more themes
Feb 14 20:42:52 <rolsworth> i heard 1.4 will be  out tomorrow
Feb 14 20:43:00 <Tibfib> Very nice, it's a solid application
Feb 14 20:43:11 <Tibfib> Oh and that toggle thing I said, best to make it an option
Feb 14 20:43:21 <Tibfib> Some people might not like it, but I love it.
Feb 14 20:44:22 <crasheed> it would suck if 1.4 was tommorow XD
Feb 14 20:44:33 <crasheed> it breaks all my apps and i havn't updated any of em lol
Feb 14 20:44:39 <Tibfib> lol
Feb 14 20:44:49 <Tibfib> I doubt its happening tomorrow....but well see
Feb 14 20:44:58 <crasheed> god i need to get working
Feb 14 20:45:09 <Tibfib> crasheed: what other apps do you have?
Feb 14 20:45:15 <scottb> Is the 1.4 sdk available yet?
Feb 14 20:45:32 <Tibfib> if you are in early release it could be... *whistles*
Feb 14 20:46:11 <scottb> Tibfib: You should click one of those ads. I'm curious how much they pay out per click
Feb 14 20:46:17 <crasheed> i have other apps that rely on sound such as teen repellent
Feb 14 20:47:02 <crasheed> working with sound is such a pain XD
Feb 14 20:47:54 <Tibfib> heh.
Feb 14 20:48:08 <Tibfib> scottb: only if you give me half of what you get for my click.
Feb 14 20:48:34 <scottb> Tibfib: Sure, but I think you'll loose money on the paypal transaction :P
Feb 14 20:48:39 <Tibfib> clicked it
Feb 14 20:50:54 <Tibfib> I except the money by tomorrow
Feb 14 20:51:09 <Tibfib> expect*
Feb 14 20:51:12 <Tibfib> dangit I cant type today
Feb 14 20:52:17 <scottb> Waiting for stats to update with admob
Feb 14 20:52:28 <scottb> I'll let you know how many tenths of a cent you made when I find out
Feb 14 20:52:47 <Tibfib> haha
Feb 14 20:52:52 <Tibfib> http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=3573
Feb 14 20:52:58 <Tibfib> for anyone wanting to join early access
Feb 14 20:54:10 <scottb> Ah nice :)
Feb 14 20:54:14 <scottb> How is 1.4?
Feb 14 20:54:33 <Tibfib> Don't know what you are talking about scottb
Feb 14 20:55:03 <scottb> ><
Feb 14 20:55:07 <scottb> Damn nda's
Feb 14 20:55:19 <Tibfib> hah
Feb 14 20:55:25 <rolsworth> so if someone has the 1.4 they can't say they have 1.4?
Feb 14 20:56:06 <scottb> Lame, not seeing any clicks
Feb 14 20:56:10 <scottb> 46 impressions so far though
Feb 14 20:58:55 <rolsworth> 46 impressions?
Feb 14 20:59:28 <rolsworth> if palm wants to push the pre they need to feature some commercials with gaming
Feb 14 20:59:58 <Tibfib> agreeeed
Feb 14 21:01:59 <crasheed> So I just sent like a 3 page reponse detailing how my App does violate the DMCA copyright
Feb 14 21:02:07 <crasheed> I hope they respond XD
Feb 14 21:02:11 <Tibfib> hahah
Feb 14 21:02:14 <Tibfib> did you cc chuq?
Feb 14 21:02:21 <crasheed> no i chikend out lol
Feb 14 21:02:27 <scottb> Tibfib: You earned 0.5 cents :D
Feb 14 21:02:29 <Tibfib> awwww you should have
Feb 14 21:02:38 <crasheed> i'll send it to him if I don't get a reponse in a few days
Feb 14 21:02:45 <Tibfib> chuq is good at working these type of things out
Feb 14 21:03:02 <Tibfib> scottb: want my paypal address now?
Feb 14 21:03:04 <Tibfib> ;D
Feb 14 21:03:18 <scottb> Yep
Feb 14 21:03:23 <crasheed> u get .5 cents from a click o.O?
Feb 14 21:03:38 <Tibfib> http://tibfib.com/about/
Feb 14 21:03:42 <Tibfib> the download button is there
Feb 14 21:03:44 <Tibfib> >.<
Feb 14 21:03:44 <scottb> I'll pay in norwegian krone
Feb 14 21:03:47 <Tibfib> DANGIT
Feb 14 21:03:49 <Tibfib> donate*
Feb 14 21:03:57 <Tibfib> goodness sake I need to stop typing.
Feb 14 21:04:16 <crasheed> oo i like yer site
Feb 14 21:04:22 <crasheed> you should make mine lol
Feb 14 21:04:24 <Tibfib> heh wp for the win
Feb 14 21:04:34 <scottb> Hmm Tibfib it wont let me send half a cent
Feb 14 21:04:34 <Tibfib> wp is wordpress
Feb 14 21:04:41 <Tibfib> round up
Feb 14 21:04:46 <scottb> Click again and I'll send you a whole penny :)
Feb 14 21:05:48 <Tibfib> hahaha done.
Feb 14 21:05:49 <juancferrer> How to get a radio button into the command menu?  Like on the calendar app.
Feb 14 21:05:55 <scottb> PayPal Balance0.07 NOK
Feb 14 21:06:29 <Tibfib> juancferrer: its just a type of command menu button
Feb 14 21:06:32 <Tibfib> you group them together
Feb 14 21:06:35 <scottb> I wish this was pay per impressions
Feb 14 21:07:35 <Tibfib> jauncferrer: check the mojomatters sample app
Feb 14 21:07:50 <Tibfib> hahahahaahahahahah
Feb 14 21:08:25 <Tibfib> I cant believe paypal lets you donate a penny
Feb 14 21:08:30 <juancferrer> ah, I think I see how
Feb 14 21:09:09 <Tibfib> nice doing business with you scottb
Feb 14 21:10:30 <scottb> :)
Feb 14 21:10:38 <scottb> How were the fees on that?
Feb 14 21:11:17 <Tibfib> there werent any fees
Feb 14 21:11:18 <Tibfib> >.<
Feb 14 21:11:23 <scottb> :)
Feb 14 21:11:33 <scottb> 85 downloads already!
Feb 14 21:11:40 <Tibfib> that's how you need to pay via paypal
Feb 14 21:11:45 <Tibfib> 1cent at time
Feb 14 21:11:55 <scottb> hahahahaa
Feb 14 21:12:45 <scottb> Nice, 3 clicks so far :D
Feb 14 21:12:50 <scottb> Made 2 cents
Feb 14 21:12:59 <Tibfib> I don't understand how beta apps get so many dls
Feb 14 21:13:05 <Tibfib> or web apps for that matter
Feb 14 21:13:12 <Tibfib> Do they all have preware?
Feb 14 21:13:21 <Tibfib> or that app scoop app?
Feb 14 21:13:35 <VincentLaw> most likely its all preware
Feb 14 21:13:37 <scottb> I think so
Feb 14 21:13:46 <VincentLaw> I've downloaded a few apps from preware that were beta apps
Feb 14 21:13:48 <Tibfib> scottb: net $.01 though
Feb 14 21:14:03 <scottb> That third click is probably some one pissed that they clicked the ad below the flag button
Feb 14 21:14:12 <Tibfib> :D
Feb 14 21:14:14 <Tibfib> probably
Feb 14 21:14:29 <scottb> I had about 2k people beta test code breaker with 3500 downloads between updates
Feb 14 21:14:32 <VincentLaw> make your ads have double the clickable area as the ad's actual banner size :p
Feb 14 21:14:53 <Tibfib> hahah that would suck
Feb 14 21:15:09 <scottb> ><
Feb 14 21:15:28 <scottb> I would be pissed if I downloaded an app like that
Feb 14 21:16:40 <Tibfib> yeah.... I'd give a 0 star review
Feb 14 21:17:35 <Tibfib> scottb: can you pick to be paid by impressions?
Feb 14 21:17:44 <scottb> not with admob sadly
Feb 14 21:18:04 <scottb> I'm looking at other mobile ad companies for some one who pays by impression
Feb 14 21:18:13 <scottb> brb smoke
Feb 14 21:18:17 <Tibfib> Aww danggg. Admob is who I was going to go with
Feb 14 21:18:23 <Tibfib> nevermind then
Feb 14 21:19:57 <scottb> check quatro
Feb 14 21:28:40 <Tibfib> Hmmm I can't tell without making an account
Feb 14 21:28:59 <Tibfib> it doensn't look like it is pre ready
Feb 14 21:29:46 <jfelectron> Tibfib: scottb: it is possible though not entirely(really not at all) kosher to have behind the scenes fake clicks....a number of people on here have done it
Feb 14 21:40:48 <scottb> jfelectron: I'm not really in the business of scamming though
Feb 14 21:41:27 <jfelectron> scottb: yeah, either am I.....it drives down potential ad revenues for the honest even further :/
Feb 14 21:41:37 <scottb> yep
Feb 14 21:42:01 <jfelectron> I won't call out names...but its unscrupulous as far as I am concerned
Feb 14 21:42:10 <scottb> Not to mention risks credibility and potential legal issues
Feb 14 21:42:21 <jfelectron> uhh yeah...pretty sure that violates TOS
Feb 14 21:42:45 <scottb> Damn, 800 impressions so far :)
Feb 14 21:43:11 <jfelectron> are you using quattro?
Feb 14 21:43:21 <scottb> admob
Feb 14 21:43:27 <scottb> Trying them out first
Feb 14 21:43:35 <scottb> Then I'll try quattro
Feb 14 21:45:22 <jfelectron> ahh....but AdMob is strictly click-through based eh?
Feb 14 21:45:45 <scottb> for the moment
Feb 14 21:45:57 <scottb> I guess they will be adding pay per impression at some point
Feb 14 21:46:11 <scottb> Problem with pay per impression is that your ad quality goes down
Feb 14 21:48:38 <jfelectron> quality? how targeted the add is?
Feb 14 22:01:49 <Tibfib> jfelectron: if admob paid something other than half a cent per click, I wouldn't have clicked it. As it is, I don't believe it's a big deal...
Feb 14 22:03:43 <jfelectron> Tibfib:  well 'real' clicks are different that code generated ones....but yeah the revenue is hard to come by unless you have a huge install base and your app has a lot of face time
Feb 14 22:04:22 <Tibfib> Ah, I see what you mean.
Feb 14 22:04:38 <Tibfib> People seriously code in clicks?
Feb 14 22:07:46 <jfelectron> Tibfib: yep....had discussions with peeps on this channel that do just that
Feb 14 22:09:59 <sugardave> usually the ad networks want a LOT of impressions over a good amount of time before you get the pay-per-impression deals
Feb 14 22:10:05 <sugardave> talk to doc
Feb 14 22:12:20 <scottb> Yay! 5cents made off of my new game so far :D
Feb 14 22:12:23 <Tibfib> wow that's sadddd
Feb 14 22:12:37 <Tibfib> are you remembering the 1 cent you paid me?
Feb 14 22:12:55 <scottb> 4cents :D
Feb 14 22:13:07 <Tibfib> hah
Feb 14 22:13:10 <Tibfib> don't lie to me
Feb 14 22:13:10 <scottb> 5 cents from 85 people and 1k impressions
Feb 14 22:13:49 <scottb> Oh, 187 downloads (feed just updated)
Feb 14 22:13:58 <scottb> So about 5 games per person who downloaded it
Feb 14 22:14:15 <Tibfib> it's a fun game
Feb 14 22:14:21 <scottb> Thanks :)
Feb 14 22:14:29 <scottb> I need to enable the other game modes
Feb 14 22:14:30 <Tibfib> although I am currently playing a tower defense game on facebook...hah
Feb 14 22:14:44 <Tibfib> That's what webOS is lacking
Feb 14 22:14:48 <scottb> I've been meaning to write a tower defense game for the pre
Feb 14 22:14:58 <scottb> I wan't to do risk first though
Feb 14 22:15:01 <Tibfib> I'd work with you on it if you are up for it
Feb 14 22:15:17 <scottb> I enjoy the logic puzzle games / strategy games
Feb 14 22:15:31 <Tibfib> scottb: did you try countdown?
Feb 14 22:15:39 <scottb> Tibfib: I haven't yet
Feb 14 22:15:46 <scottb> Been busy playing my own apps
Feb 14 22:16:17 <scottb> I made a facebook version of code breaker last night though :D
Feb 14 22:16:17 <Tibfib> hah
Feb 14 22:16:27 <scottb> Working on an iphone version as well
Feb 14 22:16:58 <Tibfib> nice nice
Feb 14 22:17:13 <scottb> I'll download countdown in about 2 min (giong out for a smoke)
Feb 14 22:22:56 <Yatharth> hi everyone
Feb 14 22:23:06 <Tibfib> hi
Feb 14 22:23:10 <Yatharth> i am trying to use foreign key constraint on my table
Feb 14 22:23:19 <Yatharth> but the on delete cascade,on update cascade constraint is not working in sqlite
Feb 14 22:23:28 <Yatharth> actually it is not showing any error but its not working properly
Feb 14 22:23:34 <sugardave> Yatharth: I don't think it supports it
Feb 14 22:24:14 <Yatharth> sugardave i was trying it on the sqlite command line only
Feb 14 22:24:24 <Yatharth> then also it dint work
Feb 14 22:24:32 <sugardave> yeah, I don't think sqlite supports foreign key constraints
Feb 14 22:25:05 <Yatharth> sugardave:its given in sqlite.org that it supports
Feb 14 22:25:11 <sugardave> hmm
Feb 14 22:25:32 <sugardave> maybe not our version?  not sure, haven't tried it....I just assumed it wouldn't work :)
Feb 14 22:25:43 <Yatharth> hmmm
Feb 14 22:26:34 <codeslaw> dear palm: approve my update.  that is all.
Feb 14 22:26:59 <Tibfib> codeslaw: if only it worked like that... :(
Feb 14 22:27:06 <codeslaw> indeed
Feb 14 22:27:16 <codeslaw> it's only been about 6 days
Feb 14 22:27:30 <codeslaw> but i've already got another update almost ready
Feb 14 22:27:31 <codeslaw> =P
Feb 14 22:28:34 <Tibfib> Hah that happened to me
Feb 14 22:28:48 <Tibfib> Id have another version ready before they approved my first one
Feb 14 22:41:14 <Bmyers> hi sugardave: hows it going?
Feb 14 22:44:32 <sugardave> Bmyers: okay, chillaxin' at my in-laws'
Feb 14 22:44:55 <sugardave> what you think of this attempt: http://twitpic.com/13agro
Feb 14 22:51:05 <Bmyers> thats your drupal site huh?
Feb 14 22:51:11 <Bmyers> or template anyways
Feb 14 22:52:04 <Bmyers> Currently completely unusable for IE...and I don't care. ?
Feb 14 22:56:59 <sugardave> Bmyers: yeah, trying to learn how to do theming with zen
Feb 14 22:57:36 <sugardave> the theme doesn't work with ie because it relies on border-image
Feb 14 22:58:24 <Tibfib> Display this message. "Your browser sucks. Get a new one and come back. Thank you."
Feb 14 22:58:59 <sugardave> Tibfib: I plan on it, after I figure out how to do it
Feb 14 22:59:18 <sugardave> something like "Unleash the Web, ditch the suck."
Feb 14 22:59:23 <Tibfib> hahah
Feb 14 23:00:17 <Bmyers> sugardave: well you are off to a good start
Feb 14 23:01:30 <LoneStar99> hallo amigos
Feb 14 23:01:37 <LoneStar99> and amigas
Feb 14 23:02:12 <rwhitby> morning
Feb 14 23:02:27 <Tibfib> heh. Good...uhh...evening
Feb 14 23:17:59 <digitalpowers> anyone know a good way to beta your app without making it public?
Feb 14 23:20:22 <Tibfib> yep
Feb 14 23:20:35 <Tibfib> go submit it and unclick the "show in public feeds" box
Feb 14 23:20:38 <rwhitby> digitalpowers: you can put it in the palm beta feed and deselect the option to include it in the XML feeds.  If someone gets the URL (and they are trivial to determine) they can download it, however, and you cannot charge for something in the beta feed.
Feb 14 23:20:59 <rwhitby> digitalpowers: or you can email them an ipkg and teach them how to use WebOS Quick Install.
Feb 14 23:21:16 <digitalpowers> it will be a free app anyways just not ready for random people to beta it yet
Feb 14 23:21:44 <digitalpowers> alot of the account creation stuff is not done
Feb 14 23:21:56 <digitalpowers> but i might have to use the beta channel anyways
Feb 14 23:22:00 <rwhitby> are you beta testers savvy to installing homebrew, or app catalog users only?
Feb 14 23:22:09 <digitalpowers> cause emailing iPK's is getting old
Feb 14 23:22:30 <digitalpowers> they are just palm-installing
Feb 14 23:30:29 <JayCanuck> hi all
Feb 14 23:30:43 <Bmyers> hi Jay, hi LS99
Feb 15 00:10:13 <jfelectron> does anyone know if its possible to determine the directionality of a flick?
Feb 15 00:13:12 <digitalpowers> jfelectron: i havent done anything with flicking but a flick is generally preceded by a couple mouse moves right? if it is then just get a direction based on the "direction" of those mouse moves
Feb 15 00:13:58 <jfelectron> digitalpowers: yeah, I'm thinking that if I remember the mousedown and mouseup that preceeds the flick event I can use those to get direction
Feb 15 00:15:08 <jfelectron> I haven't introspected it yet,  but looking at the log the flick event has a velocity object which may have direction information
Feb 15 00:17:27 <rolsworth> did any developers get 1.4 as yet? can anyone confirm flash
Feb 15 00:19:55 <Kyusaku> from my guess developers have had a developer's copy of 1.4 for at least several weeks now
Feb 15 00:20:28 <Kyusaku> and I've seen some people mention that Flash was not included
Feb 15 00:22:55 <rolsworth> all i want to see with flash is how hulu type stuff perform
Feb 15 00:23:02 <rolsworth> and if napster will work
Feb 15 00:26:21 <Tibfib> dude.....just be patient... it'll probably be out this month (flash)
Feb 15 00:27:39 <sugardave> I remember hearing "March" earlier this year
Feb 15 00:27:44 <sugardave> for flash
Feb 15 00:28:28 <Tibfib> I just said probably... it could be march... idk
Feb 15 00:28:38 <sugardave> no one knows :D
Feb 15 00:29:10 <Tibfib> hah I think someone knows...
Feb 15 00:36:43 <Kyusaku> what is up with people wanting flash hulu on the Pre, I don't even watch hulu on my laptop
Feb 15 00:37:08 <rwhitby> OK, who wants a version of Preware which only shows Free apps ?
Feb 15 00:37:26 <rwhitby> (by a preference, which defaults to off)
Feb 15 00:37:32 <Kyusaku> I just want generic videos to work, like videos on engadget
Feb 15 00:40:51 <Tibfib> rwhitby: I think some people would like it... I don't reeally care now
Feb 15 00:41:22 <rwhitby> My position is that users should see all the excellent commercial apps that developers have put hours of work into, but should also be able to filter them all out if they choose.  Especially the users in countries where you cannot purchase apps (now, and maybe never).
Feb 15 00:42:42 <Tibfib> that's a good idea
Feb 15 00:43:05 <Tibfib> lots of international users don't like seeing that which they cant have...
Feb 15 00:43:11 <Tibfib> (I assume)
Feb 15 00:43:38 <Kyusaku> Yeah I like to see the commercial software. I rather pay a few bux for an app that might have more features than a free app that might be limited and might not work as well as the pay app
Feb 15 00:44:12 <scottb> Wow, under impressed with the payout from mobile ads
Feb 15 00:44:26 <scottb> Any one using quattro?
Feb 15 00:44:30 <Tibfib> I don't know how reality makes so much
Feb 15 00:44:54 <JenP> hi all!
Feb 15 00:45:43 <scottb> Tibfib: 3600 impressions 17 clicks for a grand total of 10 cents minus 1 cent
Feb 15 00:45:55 <Tibfib> Yiiiiiikkkkkkkkkes
Feb 15 00:46:03 <Bmyers> Hi Jenp
Feb 15 00:46:17 <Tibfib> idk if adds are they way to go...
Feb 15 00:46:21 <JenP> hi Bmyers! happy v-day and Chinese new year
Feb 15 00:46:27 <LoneStar99> scottb: what ad service?
Feb 15 00:46:39 <Bmyers> yeah happy all that..
Feb 15 00:46:54 <scottb> LoneStar99: admob
Feb 15 00:47:11 <scottb> Tibfib: They may yet be
Feb 15 00:47:44 <Tibfib> depends on your app
Feb 15 00:47:56 <scottb> I've sold ~600 copies of code breaker but every one who bought it has made me all they money they ever will
Feb 15 00:48:14 <scottb> With ads I could be making money a year down the line from some on who bought the game
Feb 15 00:48:26 <Tibfib> that's true
Feb 15 00:51:48 <LoneStar99> scottb: true that, so you gonna make it free with ads?
Feb 15 00:52:00 <scottb> Not 100% sure
Feb 15 00:52:09 <LoneStar99> k
Feb 15 00:52:14 <scottb> Going to watch numbers over the next few days
Feb 15 00:52:25 <scottb> I want to try quattro in there for a bit too
Feb 15 00:54:21 <LoneStar99> need to look into admob and quattro
Feb 15 00:54:44 <LoneStar99> anyone know of an app that is both paid and uses adverts?
Feb 15 00:55:19 <Tibfib> That wouldn't do very well
Feb 15 00:55:35 <Tibfib> As a user, I would never pay for an app so I can see ads
Feb 15 00:56:53 <Tibfib> scottb: so at this rate, you'll get about $36.50 a year via ads
Feb 15 00:57:37 <scottb> Tibfib: Once it's public though I could see a massive jump in ussage
Feb 15 00:57:53 <scottb> And apparently ads pay out differently
Feb 15 00:57:57 <Tibfib> haha... fair enough
Feb 15 00:58:01 <scottb> Jumped 6 cents with 2 clicks
Feb 15 00:59:08 <LoneStar99> scottb: also if the app is free the numbers of downloads will greatly increase, hence more money in ad rev
Feb 15 00:59:51 <scottb> oops
Feb 15 00:59:59 <scottb> crashed my irc client
Feb 15 01:17:38 <jfelectron> scottb: tell Tibfib that reality makes a ton in part through that sketchy stuff we talked about earlier
Feb 15 01:17:59 <scottb> lame =/
Feb 15 01:18:41 <jfelectron> scottb: yep....when I mentioned issues, reply was 'like I care...'
Feb 15 01:27:13 <rwhitby> Preware 0.9.25 in alpha testing feed with a non-default preference for only showing free apps.
Feb 15 01:39:34 <scottb> Have a great night folks
Feb 15 01:42:25 <JenP> if it's complementary use it
Feb 15 01:52:46 <JenP> nope i'm working the "increase your payment amount" card
Feb 15 02:01:32 <phil_bw> ok quick, I need some help, where should I take my wife for dinner?  (type of food is fine)
Feb 15 02:02:04 <phil_bw> I know this is a hard hitting webos question, but I'm sure someone can help...
Feb 15 02:04:37 <LoneStar99> pf changs
Feb 15 02:05:32 <rwhitby> phil_bw: http://www.redochre.com.au/
Feb 15 02:07:30 <haeffb> JenP: quit talking to yourself
Feb 15 02:07:47 <JenP> hehehhe...it's only scary when i answer back
Feb 15 02:09:49 <haeffb> how was Valentines Day?
Feb 15 02:10:12 <JenP> very nice! gonna get sushi in a little bit and watch some mushy chic flic
Feb 15 02:10:25 <JenP> how about you?
Feb 15 02:10:53 * haeffb not a sushi person. Hard to get good raw fish in Mid-MO.
Feb 15 02:11:06 <JenP> ah...another reason not to move there
Feb 15 02:11:50 <phil_bw> rwhitby: looks awesome, only I'm not in AU
Feb 15 02:12:08 <rwhitby> phil_bw: ah, you didn't specify ;-)
Feb 15 02:12:18 <phil_bw> sushi is normally great, only we eat it a lot
Feb 15 02:13:38 <LoneStar99> anyone here ever mess with crontab?
Feb 15 02:15:18 <phil_bw> well off to dinner :)
Feb 15 02:15:23 * phil_bw wanders off
Feb 15 02:25:10 <haeffb> great day.
Feb 15 02:26:14 <haeffb> went with wife to show some properties... http://haeffb.com/listing-lovely-setting-for-4-br-earth-contact-at-bevier-67.html
Feb 15 02:29:34 <LoneStar99> wow, made a quesadilla for my little sister - for valentines
Feb 15 02:41:06 <jfelectron> haeffb: dude...what don't you do?
Feb 15 02:41:24 <haeffb> dance. sing.
Feb 15 02:41:28 <haeffb> can't do either.
Feb 15 02:41:51 <digitalpowers> me either
Feb 15 02:42:27 <jfelectron> haeffb:  CivE (check) RealEstate Agent (check) 'Web' and WebOS developer (check)....impressive
Feb 15 02:45:37 <digitalpowers> hrm, most computer nerds it goes more like
Feb 15 02:45:38 <digitalpowers> fat (check), lazy (check), smelly (check), lonly (check)
Feb 15 02:45:38 <digitalpowers> i am not sure haeffb fits in here
Feb 15 02:46:08 <jfelectron> hmmm....just thinking an app that uses GPS to pull in nearby real-estate sales would be nifty
Feb 15 02:47:56 <jfelectron> digitalpowers: that is the archetype.....I can represent the later three for sure
Feb 15 02:49:05 <jfelectron> haeffb:  you've got some nice branding going on....how very un-CivE of you to actually have a sense of style
Feb 15 02:56:36 <LoneStar99> is canvas javascript?
Feb 15 02:59:08 <sugardave> LoneStar99: canvas is an html5 element
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