**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 17 02:59:58 2010 Feb 17 03:00:31 there, added update notification and auto-saving/loading, i never liked having a bunch of app menu items for saving/loading, figured i should just make it automatic and save all the trouble ;p Feb 17 03:06:01 dawm: what app are you working on? Feb 17 03:06:13 swap&drop Feb 17 03:06:30 havent had any other app ideas yet, even tho ive been trying ;p Feb 17 03:24:59 Bmyers: ping Feb 17 04:55:56 Oi! Feb 17 04:56:06 These zero star ratings are annoying Feb 17 04:56:44 "It used to be free but now I cant upgrade" - No duh, you had the beta Feb 17 04:56:55 <_lance_> I bet.. I feel bad for the two guys who wrote the QR recognizers especially Feb 17 04:57:33 qr recognizers? Feb 17 04:57:40 <_lance_> those 2d barcode things Feb 17 04:57:53 Same crap happen to them? Feb 17 04:58:22 <_lance_> yeah. tons of 0-star reviews saying "didn't work" because people have a hard time taking a picture of a qr code with the pre's fixed focus camera. Feb 17 04:58:29 <_lance_> admittedly it is hard Feb 17 04:58:32 My rating fell below a 4 today and I only saw 2 sales =/ Feb 17 04:58:40 Top two ratings are zero stars Feb 17 04:58:48 <_lance_> ouch Feb 17 04:59:15 _lance_: I had the same issue with the iphone apps for qr Feb 17 04:59:19 Opensource work is much more fulfilling. People generally only have nice things to say :> Feb 17 04:59:27 The trick is not to take a photo of one thats 1/4 in Feb 17 05:00:14 zsoc: If only the world were run on good will and happy thoughts. But money is king. Feb 17 05:00:30 <_lance_> i'm still frustrated i can't buy apps in canada :/ Feb 17 05:00:56 * zsoc 's world runs on good will and happy thoughts :( Feb 17 05:01:02 <_lance_> pleased to see how some people are getting around that by putting out free apps for download, and then subscriptions Feb 17 05:01:02 ha i found my palm reviewer on facebook Feb 17 05:01:30 scottb: truth is, I would be right there along side you if I didn't have a full time job :) I'd love to do this full time. Feb 17 05:02:11 zsoc: I have a full time job*2, trying to make enough to afford to work for my self. Feb 17 05:02:51 I'm hoping the ad supported route works, my next app will be released as "lite" and if I make decent money I'll drop the lite and if not add more features and release a paid version Feb 17 05:03:05 sounds like a reasonable business plan :) Feb 17 05:03:29 Admob doesn't way well though, so I don't know that it'll work Feb 17 05:04:24 in my experience my lite version makes about 10% of the revenue my paid one does at .99c Feb 17 05:04:31 useing only ads Feb 17 05:04:38 $6.77 for 57k impressions and 280 clicks =/ Feb 17 05:04:47 yea... Feb 17 05:05:13 I've made about 1k bucks off of my paid app so far Feb 17 05:05:27 But these asshole beta testers are killing that with zero star ratings. Feb 17 05:05:38 <_lance_> what is your app? Feb 17 05:05:46 paid even if only at .99 seem to generate way more revenue than ad supported apps Feb 17 05:05:47 code breaker Feb 17 05:05:50 <_lance_> ah Feb 17 05:06:20 crasheed: It's a continued revenue vs immediate gain argument Feb 17 05:06:33 Just not sure which side wins Feb 17 05:06:44 but how is your paid app notcontinued revenue? Feb 17 05:06:48 did you make a profit Feb 17 05:07:10 crasheed: 2 sales today is not really continued profit. Feb 17 05:07:27 I see that much in ad revenue from my beta app Feb 17 05:07:33 everytime your app is bought you find out? Feb 17 05:07:34 same thing can be sed about ad supported apps when a person gets bored of it after a month Feb 17 05:07:45 you stop getting ad revenue from that person Feb 17 05:07:51 If it was in the catalog I would see way more downloads and way more money each day Feb 17 05:08:06 usually that one month of use doesn't equal the .99 you would have made if he bought it Feb 17 05:08:32 rolsworth: I've made a profit for sure, I check the download stats in the feeds Feb 17 05:08:49 crasheed: But you will sell more free copies than paid Feb 17 05:08:52 where are these feeds Feb 17 05:08:55 tahts true Feb 17 05:09:04 thats why i offer both :D Feb 17 05:09:08 :P Feb 17 05:09:21 Ads in free and none in paid? Feb 17 05:09:36 ads only in my free lite versions Feb 17 05:09:54 rolsworth: google webOS school they have an app catalog vewier that counts downloads Feb 17 05:10:04 rolsworth: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1844 Feb 17 05:10:09 thou from my experience is somewhat inavvurate because they count updates Feb 17 05:11:06 I keep a running delta of beta unique and beta dl count minus current download and current unique, tells me what I'm at Feb 17 05:11:31 The number under my apps is unique and the feed has total Feb 17 05:12:04 So far I've sold about 700 copies Feb 17 05:12:16 At 1.99 it's not bad. Feb 17 05:12:50 I like how the delete request button doesn't work. Feb 17 05:13:03 (in changes to apps) Feb 17 05:13:08 easier to find apps with preware than the app catalog Feb 17 05:13:16 ^ Feb 17 05:13:36 one of my apps was only avalible through preware Feb 17 05:13:51 becuase they denied it from app catalog so i put it on web catalog :D Feb 17 05:14:03 and then they pulled it from the web catalog after about 2 weeks Feb 17 05:14:11 rolsworth: can I quote you on that :-) Feb 17 05:14:12 What was it? Feb 17 05:14:17 Music Wave Feb 17 05:14:53 i'm currently in talks with palm about it reaching live again Feb 17 05:14:58 we'll see where it goes Feb 17 05:15:01 they need to fix the app catalog browser Feb 17 05:15:12 searching bring ups incorrect reults Feb 17 05:15:32 Wow, Minefield has been downloaded in every continent on the planet minus Antarctica Feb 17 05:16:02 rolsworth: try http://urloid.com/palm8 Feb 17 05:16:14 rolsworth: Searches for both my full name and my full app name both return results with me ranked very low in the list and unrelated results at the top Feb 17 05:18:27 it my be sorting them by reviews Feb 17 05:18:40 usually more highly reviewed apps are up top Feb 17 05:19:14 I like how apps with 1 download 1 review of 5 stars by the dev sit on the top of category lists Feb 17 05:19:21 Makes it hard to find any thing Feb 17 05:20:33 palm should release an app with all the applications much like itunes but that woul dnever happen Feb 17 05:20:41 should be able ot sync music also Feb 17 05:21:18 Thats what sites like myappbox.com are for Feb 17 05:21:47 something central would be better Feb 17 05:21:55 Yeah Feb 17 05:22:02 the average person wouldn't know that Feb 17 05:22:21 ugh a desktop app catalog I have to install? no thanks I like what Palm is doing Feb 17 05:23:10 it is just an alternative Feb 17 05:24:36 wish i could sync music to the pre wireless Feb 17 05:24:54 yeah I want wireless music sync Feb 17 05:25:20 actually Feb 17 05:25:34 that's sort of possible Feb 17 05:28:14 I think you could pull off something like that with xorg's dropbox sync tool Feb 17 05:30:02 <_lance_> eh? there's a dropbox sync tool? Feb 17 05:30:31 Does anyone in here by some odd chance use a voicemail system that forwards .wavs to your email, which is encoded in GSM 6.10 and not currently webos compatible? Feb 17 05:31:06 webos need more codec support also Feb 17 05:31:12 like wmv and xvids Feb 17 05:31:17 and wma Feb 17 05:31:43 rolsworth: i'm working on it, that's why i need people to help me test this :P Feb 17 05:31:54 does anyone know what the html for a slider is? Feb 17 05:32:02 test what ? Feb 17 05:32:21 3d test is on its way to the web distribution :D Feb 17 05:32:24 _lance_: it doesn't work over EVDO yet Feb 17 05:32:39 <_lance_> interesting Feb 17 05:32:52 <_lance_> i didn't know that there was a dropboxd binary that worked on the pre Feb 17 05:32:56 rolsworth: i need someone with gsmwav voicemails to help me test a package to add support for it :P Feb 17 05:33:23 oh Feb 17 05:33:45 _lance_: right now it's kind of a hack using rsync and other linux binaries Feb 17 05:33:51 <_lance_> ahh Feb 17 05:34:43 it's interesting though. I can backup my media drive over wifi using the linux tools he's built Feb 17 06:07:40 hi all Feb 17 06:08:35 hi jenp Feb 17 06:08:43 hey LoneStar99 Feb 17 06:08:50 JenP: u ever used the slider? Feb 17 06:09:06 no Feb 17 06:09:43 =( Feb 17 06:10:16 trying to figure out how to make its output realtime.... Feb 17 06:10:58 realtime how? Feb 17 06:12:47 like as soon as user moves the slider it changes somthing in the scene Feb 17 06:17:40 hmm sorry i haven't done those yet Feb 17 06:21:35 have the slider showing up, but not sure if the documentation on the dev site does not have some sort of grammatical error Feb 17 06:28:47 knew it some of the documentation was wrong Feb 17 06:42:28 http://css-vfx.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/snowstack/snowstack.html Feb 17 08:07:07 hi Feb 17 08:21:13 i have to edit the framework_config.json file for debug? Feb 17 08:36:51 i wish every idea that popped into my head for an app could be instantly made without the programming and debugging >.> Feb 17 08:37:22 computers need to read my mind Feb 17 08:42:18 pro (^.^)d Feb 17 08:42:36 neural interface ftw Feb 17 08:43:00 but it would have one downside Feb 17 08:43:20 what happened if your pc caught a virus? Feb 17 08:50:32 ey guys, i use novaterm -> debug for add brakpoints but it doesnt work, the app runs full and doesnt stop, any idea? Feb 17 09:10:50 anyone have used the debug commandline for palms apps? Feb 17 09:16:15 what are people doing for the equivalent of buttonbar in mojo? Feb 17 09:16:25 just using a viewmenu? Feb 17 09:43:53 hmm Feb 17 09:43:55 anyone? Feb 17 09:44:01 I'd like a view switcher of sorts Feb 17 09:44:24 should that just be a custom widget that has a say selected index set, then just add it to every scene? Feb 17 10:36:41 anyone know how to debug with novaterm > debug command? i dont get it works Feb 17 11:40:19 in webos if i would like to pushScene with 2 parameters ? how i do that? Feb 17 11:40:44 this.controller.stageController.pushScene(sceneName, param1, param2); ? Feb 17 12:04:52 l_a_m: try Feb 17 12:05:09 just in case youre stuck and no one seems to lnow :P Feb 17 12:05:26 *know Feb 17 12:06:00 if that wont work you ccan try passing an object as then it can contain both params Feb 17 12:18:58 it works Feb 17 12:19:00 great Feb 17 12:19:32 good =) Feb 17 12:22:16 ey zomg do u use debugger for debug palm webos apps? Feb 17 12:23:17 i just hang here Feb 17 12:23:32 i dont actually knoww that much aboout webos Feb 17 12:23:53 haha ok Feb 17 12:23:55 tx Feb 17 12:27:34 another question about webos .. Feb 17 12:27:39 i use a timepicker Feb 17 12:27:47 it display time in AM/PM format Feb 17 12:28:00 it is possible to display time in 24/24 hour format ? Feb 17 12:29:51 it must be, mine shows this format Feb 17 12:30:00 how you do that ? Feb 17 12:30:09 with a property of timepicker ? Feb 17 12:31:11 sry that was just from user point of view. i'm not that into webos coding,yet Feb 17 12:31:56 but since that format is standard for europe i suppose there must be a way Feb 17 12:32:14 l_a_m, it depends on your locale settings on the phone Feb 17 12:32:25 ok Feb 17 12:32:25 you shouldn't change it yourself Feb 17 12:32:31 and i ve got a problem on the emulator Feb 17 12:32:39 how i 'close' an application ?? Feb 17 12:32:48 someone knows how i can do thaT ? Feb 17 12:32:48 throw it away? Feb 17 12:32:57 just "quit' Feb 17 12:32:59 just grab the card and throw it off (up) the screen Feb 17 12:33:47 jbjoerk: i m on the main view of my app Feb 17 12:33:51 jbjoerk: can i close it ? Feb 17 12:33:58 press esc Feb 17 12:34:33 than you'll see the card view and you can flick the card away Feb 17 12:34:34 cool Feb 17 12:34:37 thanks Feb 17 12:34:44 np Feb 17 12:36:36 a question about scenes .... Feb 17 12:36:52 i ve got a scene which launch another using "pushScene" Feb 17 12:37:02 or the second scene i put a "Back" button Feb 17 12:37:10 how can i come back to the first scene ? Feb 17 12:37:19 using a pushScene('main') ? Feb 17 12:37:56 l_a_m, don't put a back button Feb 17 12:38:06 it's not how you do things in Palm Mojo Feb 17 12:38:07 oh Feb 17 12:38:16 l_a_m, but, you should use "popScene" Feb 17 12:38:16 how you do that in Mojo ? Feb 17 12:38:31 l_a_m, there is a gesture area at the bottom of the screen, there is a special gesture "back" that you use to go back Feb 17 12:38:42 you might want to watch a promo video about palm mojo or something :) Feb 17 12:39:32 a gesture area ? Feb 17 12:40:31 l_a_m, go read up on WebOS Feb 17 12:40:43 and then ask questions :) Feb 17 12:59:20 anyone know how I can get the index of a list item from the item-model? Feb 17 12:59:43 I'm trying to stash a reference to a certain row from a formatter callback in a list Feb 17 13:01:07 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1527 Feb 17 13:01:09 jbjoerk: ok :) Feb 17 13:01:11 jbjoerk: thanks Feb 17 13:01:25 The Back Gesture is used to navigate to previous scenes in the scene hierarchy :) Feb 17 13:01:38 yup Feb 17 13:01:53 l_a_m, I would really recommend getting hands on with a device if possible, it'll make you understand the platform alot beter Feb 17 13:02:12 in France i can't have a palm ... Feb 17 13:02:53 yep, coming soon though! :) Feb 17 13:02:58 yes Feb 17 13:03:02 same here, got mine from germany Feb 17 13:03:09 oh Feb 17 14:11:18 oi Feb 17 14:12:14 anyone alive up in here? Feb 17 14:15:22 ron_frown, ye Feb 17 14:15:46 just quick question of theory then i can go on to research/solve the problem Feb 17 14:15:57 on the iphone, I'd have a button bar in a viewcontroller Feb 17 14:16:07 and selecting diff icons would basically change the child view Feb 17 14:16:32 I need to replicate/simulate this, and wondered if I should simulate it with say 4 views and the radio thingy Feb 17 14:16:56 on the second scene I just pass selected index = 1 (for second item) Feb 17 14:33:53 morning Feb 17 14:53:15 LoneStar99: it's 4 in the afternoon over here. so good day Feb 17 14:59:32 good day! Feb 17 15:00:10 LoneStar99, Do you know if there is anyway to get a node or a index from a list's formatter callback? Feb 17 15:00:30 I think the answer is 'no' unfortunatly, but I figured I'd ask when people here start waking up :) Feb 17 15:01:07 jbjoerk: honestly, messed with lists and did not quite understand them , so do not use them at all... Feb 17 15:02:19 hah. What do you use instead? Feb 17 15:05:19 i simply list data as it comes in a div... Feb 17 15:05:43 anyone here messed with a slider? Feb 17 15:07:44 LoneStar99: i have a slider in one of my yet-to-be-released apps Feb 17 15:10:09 LoneStar99, I have Feb 17 15:13:10 jbjoerk: have the following: http://pastebin.com/d21cc9b6d Feb 17 15:13:30 i know something is missing Feb 17 15:13:52 need to pass the changed value, but not sure what to pass... Feb 17 15:13:53 minValue, maxValue, capital V Feb 17 15:14:20 the changed value? Feb 17 15:14:37 when the slider is moved, i need to get that value... Feb 17 15:14:39 in your propertyChange, you get event.value Feb 17 15:16:03 my connection died... Feb 17 15:18:20 in your propertyChange, you get event.value Feb 17 15:22:05 anyone get voicemails forwarded to their email in .wav that won't play on their pre/pixi? I'm looking for testers. Feb 17 15:22:55 jbjoerk: so "event.value" is what contains the current value? Feb 17 15:23:06 yup Feb 17 15:23:49 I'll try again this morning, anyone able to help me with this audio problem? https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5272 Feb 17 15:23:56 I'll take any and all ideas at this point Feb 17 15:26:24 grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Feb 17 15:27:30 VincentLaw, no idea btw, sorry Feb 17 15:27:57 lists are starting to piss me off. Are they monitoring scroll even outside of the list, so if I hide them, they'll still try and render items? Feb 17 15:27:58 w-t-f?! Feb 17 15:29:28 can i create a palm profile and use the app catalog from unlocked phone on unsupported carrier? Feb 17 15:30:56 willwill, not that I know of, Please let me know if you succeed =) Feb 17 15:31:17 well, i haven't buy the pre yet but I got the money. Feb 17 15:31:43 willwill: I believe you can over wifi Feb 17 15:31:43 jbjoerk: event.value states "undefined..." Feb 17 15:31:59 LoneStar99, paste the code? Feb 17 15:32:06 willwill: you just need someone from america to make you a profile, then you can log into it Feb 17 15:32:13 eh, I mean the unlocked GSM phone Feb 17 15:32:36 zsoc, does the appstore work then? Feb 17 15:32:43 willwill: I'm pretty sure it's possible. rick is the guy to ask Feb 17 15:32:48 jbjoerk: I'm pretty certain Feb 17 15:33:02 zsoc, neat, will have to do that. getting pretty tired of not being able to access the appstore Feb 17 15:33:07 jbjoerk: rod buys apps from austrailia :p Feb 17 15:33:40 where is rick anyway? Feb 17 15:33:45 rboatright: oh, there he is Feb 17 15:34:03 zsoc, =) Feb 17 16:07:32 hi all! Feb 17 16:33:19 schizophrenic much? :D Feb 17 16:33:40 lol Feb 17 16:40:55 re Feb 17 16:57:48 hi everyone. I'm having a problem getting the webos emulator to install into virtual box. i have virtual box installed for other things. When i run the sdk installer, i get no new virtual machine. help? Feb 17 16:59:07 u need to install java sdk Feb 17 16:59:14 not the java runtime Feb 17 16:59:26 JDK Feb 17 16:59:51 is there a link or some instructions i can follow somewhere? Feb 17 17:01:27 what os are u using? Feb 17 17:01:40 I should mention that im on OSX. i get the Palm Emulator.app in my applications folder, but it doesnt do anything. Feb 17 17:01:52 (i should have mentioned OSX in the first place, sorry) Feb 17 17:06:39 have u tried: https://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1758&Itemid=36 Feb 17 17:07:45 LoneStar99: yes Feb 17 17:08:48 is it the SDK that creates the virtual box entry? Feb 17 17:08:58 humm... it says on the apple site: Java development projects. Mac OS X includes the full version of J2SE 1.5, pre-installed with the Java Development Kit (JDK) Feb 17 17:09:04 yes Feb 17 17:09:06 it does Feb 17 17:10:39 in windows, you click on the "emulator" icon and it "asks" what emulator view you want "pre" or pixi, then automatically begins making the emulator Feb 17 17:10:57 i am sure it would somewhat similar in macos Feb 17 17:11:19 had 3 macs, but do to bad luck have an HP now Feb 17 17:11:29 ah, i believe i have made progress! i did a "clean" of all the SDK stuff. then i reinstalled. Feb 17 17:11:50 Now when i start Palm Emulator, i get the message that it needs a previous verion of virtual box. im running the latest. Feb 17 17:12:09 then it shuts down. Feb 17 17:12:22 are there known problems with newer versions of virtual box? Feb 17 17:12:36 you can't run emulator with the newest virtual box Feb 17 17:12:41 it says so on palm website Feb 17 17:12:49 you have to use a lower version.... Feb 17 17:12:56 blarg. Feb 17 17:13:06 ill _downgrade_... lame. Feb 17 17:13:07 heh it's in the instructions lol Feb 17 17:13:31 thanks Feb 17 17:13:56 i had this all working months ago. and just decided to try to write an app, so i thought upgrading everything would be the ticket. obviously i was mistaken. Feb 17 17:14:41 cobalt027: i use the version from webos-internals Feb 17 17:14:51 the version of what? Feb 17 17:17:25 u need to use version 3.0.10 of VB Feb 17 17:17:56 Yeah. I downgraded and then it installed the machine in virtual box. thanks guys. Feb 17 17:18:14 emulator now running smoothly, and showing 1.3.5 in device info. Feb 17 17:22:26 the version of sdk an emu Feb 17 17:23:21 cool Feb 17 17:23:48 sugardave: have u worked with sliders? Feb 17 17:25:16 Chais_z3r0: i can has link, plx? Feb 17 17:33:31 cobalt027: i thought it works now Feb 17 17:34:27 Chais_z3r0: ya, it does. but if you had a different, more recommended version.... thats what i was asking Feb 17 17:36:37 LoneStar99: I haven't done anything with sliders Feb 17 17:39:14 well, maybe u can spot something missing... http://pastebin.com/d21cc9b6d Feb 17 17:39:45 slider shows up in scene, but not sure if it is passing any values Feb 17 17:50:48 cobalt027: i have to correct myself. i use the official version from palm Feb 17 17:50:59 Chais_z3r0: ah, ok. thanks Feb 17 17:51:28 that's vbox 3.0.10 ans mojo sdk 1.3.5 Feb 17 17:51:41 do you use eclipse? Feb 17 17:52:24 no. i really tried getting the plugins to work, but aptana keeps mocking Feb 17 17:52:38 heh Feb 17 17:52:46 also aptana costs. at least in pro verion Feb 17 17:52:56 i use komodo Feb 17 18:03:27 http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.scottbyrns.3dtest Feb 17 18:08:24 where can i see the mojo.Log.info() stuff? Feb 17 18:31:32 heya Feb 17 18:43:31 hwell Feb 17 18:43:34 hello Feb 17 18:44:50 swisstomca: have u messed with sliders? Feb 17 18:45:29 hello Feb 17 18:45:32 yes, i have Feb 17 18:45:50 what are you trying to do? Feb 17 18:46:13 i can't figure out how to get the current value, http://pastebin.com/d21cc9b6d Feb 17 18:46:30 got that from the docs, but it seems incomplete Feb 17 18:46:43 let me check Feb 17 18:47:38 i've defined the model outside of setupWidget Feb 17 18:47:47 and then you can reference to the model in your handler Feb 17 18:49:13 http://pastebin.com/m40e053a3 Feb 17 18:51:02 line 1 outside of setup? Feb 17 18:51:18 yes Feb 17 18:53:27 aloha Feb 17 18:53:46 if I want to pass the current slider value to another widget it would be: "this.handleUpdate" Feb 17 18:54:02 helo Feb 17 18:54:04 I was in chan yesterday trying to figure out how to add scroll fades, and I've got a the scent but having issues in Ares specifically... anyone working with this combo? Feb 17 18:54:16 you'd use this.cryonModel.value Feb 17 18:54:29 not really, thynctank Feb 17 18:54:46 okeydoke Feb 17 18:55:12 well it may not necessarily be ares-specific, but it feels like it to me Feb 17 18:55:20 it doesn't work? Feb 17 18:55:26 swisstomcat, have you used scroll fades much? Feb 17 18:55:28 yeah well Feb 17 18:55:30 ares bad Feb 17 18:55:34 not really Feb 17 18:55:36 no likie Feb 17 18:55:44 i wouldn't call it bad Feb 17 18:55:47 I like ares quite a lot, outside of all the simple missing features Feb 17 18:55:54 it's good for rapid prototyping of the interface Feb 17 18:55:54 the debugger and log viewer are great Feb 17 18:56:16 startup time seems to have improved as well Feb 17 18:56:18 i would like it better if it wrote standard interfaces instead of creating that json file that doesnt work outside of ares Feb 17 18:56:36 well I'd be happy if the json worked w/ palm-package Feb 17 18:57:11 I'm very much a front end web guy but if it means I can throw something together as quickly as I have been I'll gladly use that Feb 17 18:57:21 and inserting arbitrary markup has been simple most of the time Feb 17 18:57:25 anyway so the scroll fades Feb 17 18:58:03 I can get them to appear above everything, the two palm-specific elements from stylematters, the CSS from there, etc Feb 17 18:58:08 but they never disappear Feb 17 18:58:34 and I'm not crystal clear as to whether the scroll fades are being associated to my manually-inserted scroller widget or the scene's scroller Feb 17 18:58:38 either would be fine, really Feb 17 18:58:48 just figure it might help for purposes of investigating further Feb 17 19:01:12 swisstomcat: line 11 is place inside or outside of setup? Feb 17 19:01:57 either setup or activate Feb 17 19:02:24 but you also need the actual handler Feb 17 19:12:42 swisstomcat: what would the handler look like... Feb 17 19:13:47 can't seem to figure it out Feb 17 19:14:19 http://pastebin.com/m41d5f44e Feb 17 19:14:56 http://pastebin.com/m7763971 Feb 17 19:14:59 had a typo Feb 17 19:18:33 thank you, testing it out Feb 17 19:19:34 works here Feb 17 19:19:52 now i have to find a slider with two knobs to adjust a from-to range Feb 17 19:20:55 where do you place line one in your code? Feb 17 19:21:01 setup Feb 17 19:21:01 in activate? Feb 17 19:21:07 in setup Feb 17 19:21:14 before setupWidget Feb 17 19:21:51 k Feb 17 19:24:08 lines 1 - 11 inside "FirstAssistant.prototype.setup = function() { } Feb 17 19:24:10 ? Feb 17 19:24:32 correct Feb 17 19:25:03 and 13-17? Feb 17 19:27:01 somewhere else in FirstAssistant Feb 17 19:27:12 because it's a function Feb 17 19:31:45 i get "[20100217-11:29:53.488785] error: Error: Object crayon has no method 'addEventListener', line undefined, file undefined Feb 17 19:33:48 hmm Feb 17 19:34:59 " Mojo.Event.listen(this.controller.get('crayon'), Mojo.Event.propertyChange, this.handleUpdate)" Feb 17 19:35:01 ? Feb 17 19:35:05 try this.controller.get("crayon") instead of ... yeah Feb 17 19:36:02 ... Feb 17 19:36:15 think that is fixed, now get "[20100217-11:33:27.066054] error: Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'value' of undefined, app/assistants/first-assistant.js:203 Feb 17 19:36:26 what's on line 203? Feb 17 19:36:30 which is line 13-17 Feb 17 19:36:34 of your code Feb 17 19:37:18 this.cryonModel is defined in setup, right? Feb 17 19:38:10 is that a typo? Feb 17 19:38:10 yeas above this.controller.setupWidget("crayon", Feb 17 19:38:33 this.crayonModel Feb 17 19:39:00 it works here Feb 17 19:39:07 looks like it should work Feb 17 19:39:15 if you setup this.crayonModel then you should be able to reference it later Feb 17 19:39:18 wait Feb 17 19:39:18 make sure that handleUpdate has been bound properly Feb 17 19:39:20 is there a doc a wiki on how i can change whats in the application menu? I'm very new to this. I want to use the Preferences menu item, and change whats in that menu Feb 17 19:39:23 so that 'this' refers to the right thing Feb 17 19:39:25 how do you setup the listener? Feb 17 19:39:45