**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Feb 20 02:59:57 2010 Feb 20 03:06:28 a clear example of what happens when 99% of the things we consume are made in china: http://uoid.me/ifone1 Feb 20 03:07:32 kinda funny Feb 20 03:08:52 What's the name of the widget that shows a little menu when you click a button, except the button doesn't have to be a webOS button? Viewmenu? Feb 20 03:09:08 Can't figure this out for the life of me Feb 20 03:09:52 where is the widget? Feb 20 03:10:02 oh Feb 20 03:10:06 list selector? Feb 20 03:10:08 It's at the top of the page, but it I don't want it to be a button Feb 20 03:10:16 view menu Feb 20 03:10:18 Let me check that. Feb 20 03:10:23 just kidding Feb 20 03:10:29 not list selector Feb 20 03:10:36 that's the one that pops up and you can pick an option Feb 20 03:10:56 are you just wanting a header? Feb 20 03:11:03 That's what I want Feb 20 03:11:09 Popup and pick an option Feb 20 03:11:34 list selector then Feb 20 03:12:01 I used to have one in this app in the early stages of it. But, then removed it and now I couldn't remember what I did. Feb 20 03:14:00 reality9110: http://uoid.me/widgets1 Feb 20 03:14:23 it shows image examples Feb 20 03:17:29 Problem is that all of the menus look just like it Feb 20 03:19:30 popupSubMenu Feb 20 03:19:48 it's definitely a list selector Feb 20 03:21:09 I just need to know how to make the thing pop... Feb 20 03:23:23 https://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1922&Itemid=299 Feb 20 03:23:41 "listen" Feb 20 03:23:43 Doesn't say anything about showing/hiding it. Feb 20 03:23:58 you click on something, it shows up Feb 20 03:24:00 Listen is for sending the selected value Feb 20 03:24:04 no, it's popupSubMenu Feb 20 03:24:39 haeffb_gon4bball: SubMenus are buttons at the top of the screen Feb 20 03:24:51 That when clicked present the menu Feb 20 03:24:53 no. it's popupSubMenu Feb 20 03:25:54 Ah Feb 20 03:26:00 Except that code doesn't work Feb 20 03:26:26 reality9110, buttons at the top are the view menu Feb 20 03:26:30 buttons on the bottom are command menu Feb 20 03:27:45 Palm's widget example app is all sorts of screwed up on naming conventions then Feb 20 03:27:59 know the answer, but maybe someone figured something out, anyone have luck with a transparent scene? Feb 20 03:28:26 LoneStar99: Tried for about three days. Gave up Feb 20 03:28:43 yeah, i tried also.... Feb 20 03:29:23 no luck Feb 20 03:36:57 Fritz Henderson ex CEO of GM is getting $60,000 a month as an adviser for GM, makes you wonder what type of advise this asshole can give, after bankrupting the company! Feb 20 03:37:58 perhaps that a car has four wheels... Feb 20 03:49:28 hi all Feb 20 03:49:39 howdy Feb 20 03:51:19 hallo Feb 20 03:51:26 hi guys Feb 20 03:51:49 LoneStar99: There is that wierd transparent card app Feb 20 03:51:59 reality9110: what are you trying to accomplish? Feb 20 03:52:07 yeah was thinking about that... Feb 20 03:52:54 what does that app do anyways? kinda read the description, but do not understand the concept Feb 20 03:52:55 its cheap..buy it and take a looksy...no shame in that :) Feb 20 03:53:09 lol Feb 20 03:53:13 true Feb 20 03:53:53 have you tried just setting the background of palm-default to transparent? Feb 20 03:55:15 in the past, everything in the scene would go transparent, and the scene itself, would get lighter but not transparent Feb 20 03:55:44 hmm....dunno, I swap the background all the time, but haven't specifically tried clear Feb 20 03:55:56 prob some hack involved in that app Feb 20 03:56:26 yeah, can get thing transparent, just not the main body Feb 20 03:56:56 the transparent app dude, probably has a bag of tricks Feb 20 03:57:04 reality9110: if you want a submenu to popup near an element you have to know the elements ID. Annoyingly, the command and view menu buttons don't get ids....so its a pain, but still possible Feb 20 03:58:04 Ok kids....ttyl, heading home Feb 20 04:07:28 reality9110: don't use the view menu. use a header with an icon div. popupSubment on tap of the div. Feb 20 04:09:45 anyone got any ideas on a color picker? Feb 20 04:11:05 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1874&Itemid=244#.popupSubmenu Feb 20 04:11:18 sorry, that was for reality9110 Feb 20 04:11:25 digitalpowers: LoneStar99 does. Feb 20 04:11:36 or jfelectron, but he just left Feb 20 04:11:51 digitalpowers what kind of color piker? Feb 20 04:12:02 why is sled riding an olympic sport? Feb 20 04:12:12 hi jenp Feb 20 04:12:32 hi haeffb! Feb 20 04:12:34 well i would rather a smooth color picker but i am not sure that is really feasable so i am probably going to have a table of colors, but i was curious if anyone else had explored it Feb 20 04:13:51 there's a painting app on the catalog that has a full smooth picker Feb 20 04:15:22 sled riding on your back is one sport. sled riding on your belly is another sport? Feb 20 04:16:52 digitalpowers: http://www.cyrket.com/p/palm/com.urloid.shorturl.app/ Feb 20 04:17:14 luge and skeleton Feb 20 04:17:17 nice that is encouraging Feb 20 04:18:21 sled riding Feb 20 04:19:07 this.controller.get("GoUpdateId").hide(); Feb 20 04:21:42 reality9110: http://www.pastie.org/833867 Feb 20 04:23:31 waxed cardboard box riding, now that's a sport. Feb 20 04:28:25 i have a colorpicker Feb 20 04:28:34 who needs one? Feb 20 04:33:08 LoneStar99: i need one Feb 20 04:34:27 will send u a link... in about 5-10 Feb 20 04:36:02 sweet Feb 20 04:36:06 ytmnd Feb 20 04:45:59 digitalpowers: http://uoid.me/pub1 Feb 20 04:46:53 pw: IRqe Feb 20 05:02:48 digitalpowers: did you get it? Feb 20 05:10:29 LoneStar99: i just dled it, i will take a look, any specific requirements for use? Feb 20 05:10:52 there is a short notes Feb 20 05:11:06 NOTES.txt Feb 20 05:11:33 i'll be online till very late, need to finish an app Feb 20 05:11:43 for release tommorrow Feb 20 05:13:53 LoneStar99: i see the notes, is there a particular div it is looking for or how do i call it? Feb 20 05:14:53 opps forgot, the html... Feb 20 05:16:04 http://www.pastebin.com/d4f0eb361 Feb 20 05:18:05 sweet i will play, thanks :) Feb 20 05:19:42 u welkome Feb 20 05:56:47 http://twitpic.com/149ihj <- the webos-internals banner looks great! Feb 20 06:02:02 yeah looks awesome Feb 20 06:02:38 rwhitby: is that one of those free books on the table? Feb 20 06:02:48 LoneStar99: two of them actually Feb 20 06:03:13 there's 90 more behind the tables Feb 20 06:03:34 nice Feb 20 06:03:43 O'reilly? Feb 20 06:22:28 don't you LUV widget attributes that have ZERO documentation as to wtf the do? Feb 20 06:22:48 oh yeah Feb 20 06:23:23 and clearly nobody else does either because you google them and just get links to the same palm docs Feb 20 06:24:14 at least there is the refcode so you can try to figure out what they do Feb 20 06:24:22 either that or they're keeping it a secret to frustrate us...smiles Feb 20 06:27:05 lol...yeah, more likely they don't know what it does either :) Feb 20 06:46:38 hi all Feb 20 07:03:01 on click a random url is sent to a div, how can I retreive the "url" value being sent... Feb 20 07:11:40 hmmm.......you mean you have like a href=" random url" and are observing onclick? Feb 20 07:12:17 LoneStar99: why is it random? Feb 20 07:17:39 it is coming from a search Feb 20 07:19:30 OK...so its a link inside a div that contains the search results? Feb 20 07:20:43 LoneStar99: so you have
blah blah linkText blah blah
? Feb 20 07:21:16 are you adding the onclick observer? Feb 20 07:22:35 this what i have "" Feb 20 07:23:38 i can pass it to the scene
without issue, but I need to save the changeUrl into a cookie Feb 20 07:24:18 changeUrl is a method of the scene? Feb 20 07:25:15 I assume its not being called? Feb 20 07:25:25 correction onclick="changeUrl('http://www.abc123.com/random/')" Feb 20 07:26:40 hi Feb 20 07:26:53 just need to retreive what is inside changeUrl .... Feb 20 07:27:06 [20100220-12:51:17.565736] error: Error: INVALID_STATE_ERR: DOM Exception 11, li Feb 20 07:27:06 ne undefined, file undefined Feb 20 07:27:09 LoneStar99: but isn Feb 20 07:27:22 but isn't changeUrl a function thats being called onClick? Feb 20 07:27:24 can anyone tell me whats this error all about? Feb 20 07:27:28 somehow intercept the value before or after the div Feb 20 07:27:42 yes it is Feb 20 07:27:54 and its not being passed the url? Feb 20 07:27:58 or not being called? Feb 20 07:28:24 Yatharth: what's the context? Feb 20 07:29:03 Yatharth: I'd guess you're using a DOM method on something that is undefined so its throwing an exception Feb 20 07:29:40 Yatharth: "If an attempt is made to use an object that is not, or is no longer, usable" Feb 20 07:29:57 so like reference to an element that no longer exists Feb 20 07:30:19 Actually what happened Feb 20 07:30:42 i was developing an application in which i created a table Feb 20 07:30:57 now i wanted to change the schema of that table Feb 20 07:31:25 did you drop the table first? Feb 20 07:31:47 the name of that table was donation and so i changed the schema and named the new table as donation1 Feb 20 07:32:02 [20100220-11:43:47.919177] error: Table not Created Feb 20 07:32:02 [20100220-11:43:47.919918] info: Error was no such table: main.Donation (Code 1) Feb 20 07:32:04 jfelectron: brb gonna try somehting Feb 20 07:32:27 no i did not Feb 20 07:32:47 are you sure there aren't errors in your new schema? Feb 20 07:32:58 no its fine Feb 20 07:33:14 but if i changed the name it should have run Feb 20 07:33:21 but it wasn't Feb 20 07:33:44 using CREATE TABLE IF NOT EXISTS donation1 ? Feb 20 07:33:56 yes Feb 20 07:34:58 and the worst part was when i changed it back to donation it was not working Feb 20 07:35:12 do you have error and success callbacks defined for the query? Feb 20 07:35:35 i mean the previoulsy it was working a little bit but now it completly stopped working:-( Feb 20 07:35:37 yes Feb 20 07:36:38 some exceptions Feb 20 07:36:50 try logging the message property....its generally plain language Feb 20 07:36:56 you need several try/catch around the database code Feb 20 07:38:02 well that will just prevent it from bailing entirely and at least you can introspect the error a bit more Feb 20 07:38:58 OK Feb 20 07:39:27 but previously it was working fine...suddenly i dnt know what happned Feb 20 07:40:08 hard to say....likely an error in your code, but where exactly hard to say from here Feb 20 07:40:21 Ok Feb 20 07:40:44 would you like to see it? Feb 20 07:44:14 sure....if you want to paste it up I can take a looksy Feb 20 07:45:56 http://pastie.org/833959 Feb 20 07:46:06 its a very big code Feb 20 07:46:22 though Feb 20 07:47:55 what the the pertinent parts? Feb 20 07:49:16 the setup function Feb 20 07:50:00 it has 3 tables and 8 triggers Feb 20 07:50:34 and setup for a list Feb 20 07:50:39 and all the table creations are failing or just one? Feb 20 07:51:36 it is not able to reach till their setup i think Feb 20 07:52:18 [20100220-13:21:16.661468] error: An exception occurred in the 'First' scene's setup() method. Feb 20 07:53:27 yes but where is it failing? Feb 20 07:53:49 that's what i am also not able to figure Feb 20 07:54:13 the above was the first error it is showing Feb 20 07:54:16 well put a log call just before each executeSql so we can narrow down where the problem is Feb 20 07:55:42 i applied mojo.log.error Feb 20 07:55:52 before database open command Feb 20 07:55:56 its working Feb 20 07:56:11 I mean before each executeSql call Feb 20 07:56:38 but the one which i wrote in else block was not working Feb 20 07:56:51 inside the anonymous functions that you pass to db.transaction for each table creation Feb 20 07:57:21 yes, its clearly bailing before it gets down to that ungodly long if else block :) Feb 20 07:57:26 the open database command is not working Feb 20 07:58:09 Mojo.Log.error("Successfully Database Created1"); Feb 20 07:58:10 db = openDatabase('MYDB'); Feb 20 07:58:10 Mojo.Log.error("Successfully Database Created"); Feb 20 07:58:16 i did this Feb 20 07:58:50 so only successfully database created1 was getting printed not the one after that Feb 20 08:02:28 OK....have you tried uninstalling the app to nuke the DB? Feb 20 08:03:03 how to do so Feb 20 08:03:31 how to uninstall the app? Feb 20 08:03:35 yes Feb 20 08:03:49 go to deviceInfo and click on moreInfo Feb 20 08:04:31 you should see a software tab with all the installed apps..click on yours to delete it Feb 20 08:06:06 sorry nut where will i find device info? Feb 20 08:06:14 *but Feb 20 08:06:25 its an app on the last page of the launcher Feb 20 08:06:58 Device Info...right next to Date and Time and below WiFi Feb 20 08:07:27 actually i am using command prompt to launch my application Feb 20 08:09:08 OK...but you have access to the emulator no? Feb 20 08:10:05 yes i do Feb 20 08:11:12 so access Device Info with it to remove the app Feb 20 08:11:28 its easier than dropping all the tables Feb 20 08:12:14 sorry i got disconnected Feb 20 08:12:39 just access Device Info to delete the app, easier than dropping all the tables Feb 20 08:14:17 but i dont have any device info option on the emulator Feb 20 08:16:15 its an app on the third page of the launcher Feb 20 08:16:21 with all the other system settings apps Feb 20 08:22:49 :-(can you please tel me the exact path. Feb 20 08:23:14 i am unable to figure out the device info Feb 20 08:24:26 palm-launch com.palm.app.deviceinfo Feb 20 08:26:13 hi thar Feb 20 08:26:48 done that Feb 20 08:27:56 Ok see if you still get errors on table creation Feb 20 08:29:53 gettin the same error Feb 20 08:30:48 hey when i tried changing the name of my database...The databse got created Feb 20 08:31:02 but now i am getting the following error Feb 20 08:31:19 [20100220-13:58:55.971123] error: Table not Created Feb 20 08:31:19 [20100220-13:58:55.971803] info: Error was no such table: main.Donation (Code 1) Feb 20 08:31:57 I think you might need to pass a version number to openDatabase: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Mojo_Storage_Database Feb 20 08:32:03 I do anyway Feb 20 08:34:40 I'll be back in a bit....try with a version number Feb 20 08:35:16 hey do you guys know of any good video tutorial software apps? Feb 20 08:35:27 like i love the one in absolute fitness Feb 20 08:37:11 ok sure Feb 20 08:48:21 jfelectron:thr? Feb 20 08:48:40 hey i think the problem is with triggers. Feb 20 08:49:27 when i remove the syntax for triggers it works otherwise it shows errors Feb 20 09:08:18 back Feb 20 09:08:20 interesting Feb 20 09:16:48 hey Feb 20 09:17:13 now when i am running just the first trigger its working Feb 20 09:17:35 well that's a start at least....now you can add back stuff to isolate the problem Feb 20 09:18:09 but when i run two triggers its shows an error Feb 20 09:19:24 I don't see where you define old_donor_id Feb 20 09:20:11 hey old.donor_id is used in triggers Feb 20 09:20:42 to access the value of donor_id which is to be deleted Feb 20 09:21:19 yes...but where is the value of the variable coming from? Feb 20 09:22:25 i am getting ur point? Feb 20 09:22:33 *i am not getting ur point Feb 20 09:24:47 the trigger executes the query on the row specified by the donor_id=old.donor_id ....where is old.donor.id coming from? is that a column of the table? Feb 20 09:28:09 no donor_id is the column of the table and triggers offer new and old keywords to access the value of the columns before or after certain operations. Feb 20 09:33:50 OK...yeah new and old are references in the trigger. According to this the reference should be OLD: http://www.sqlite.org/lang_createtrigger.html Feb 20 09:33:56 not sure if its case sensitive Feb 20 09:36:12 i have used old in small letters because earlier also i used it in lower case only n it worked Feb 20 09:36:31 OK...so it probably doesn't matter Feb 20 09:39:16 ya Feb 20 09:54:07 jfelectron:do you have any idea where does our database gets created? Feb 20 09:54:38 *jfelectron: do you have any idea where does our database gets created? Feb 20 09:54:50 Yatharth: if you want to inspect the DB.....set the name to ext:Name and it will be stored in a hidden directory in /media/internal Feb 20 09:55:12 you can then grab the DB and view it with an SQLite viewer Feb 20 09:56:33 OK Feb 20 09:57:01 you can't easily inspect it otherwise because its kept in one giant central table Feb 20 09:59:14 see: http://webos101.com/Mojo_Storage_Database Feb 20 10:03:15 OK Feb 20 10:05:08 With asynchronous database methods, you can really screw things up if you try to do too many transacations in rapid succession. Luckily, you can run as many executeSql methods inside a single transaction as you need. Feb 20 10:05:21 hey what is meant by the above line? Feb 20 11:13:35 hi all Feb 20 12:30:26 hi Feb 20 13:10:05 morn'n folks Feb 20 13:38:03 hello world Feb 20 13:38:58 hello haeffb Feb 20 13:49:27 hey haeffb: Feb 20 13:49:34 hows it going out there? Feb 20 13:52:41 foggy. Feb 20 13:52:53 need to go get coffee to clear some cobwebs Feb 20 13:53:39 135 downloads Feb 20 13:53:47 down to a 3.2 rating. Feb 20 13:56:01 feedback? Feb 20 13:57:21 Does not work well AT ALL. Will not store dates properly, loses previou data. Waste of time. Feb 20 13:57:36 So far, the app opens and stores data as advertised... BUT I'll be damned if the export/reports function doesn't work--without that, this low-functioning app simply makes my Pre an even MORE expensive electronic paperweight. Very disappointed. Where's the update?? Feb 20 13:57:57 I think the second is a dude who didn't know what to do with CSV data in an email. Feb 20 13:59:03 from the precentral thread: "I had tried to export data, but it just came as a text in my e-mail and could not see a way to get it to a spread sheet or back on my cell." Feb 20 13:59:50 http://www.cyrket.com/p/palm/com.tigers.app.myles/ Feb 20 14:00:46 strangely, cryket shows 1 more star than the app catalog Feb 20 14:01:16 maybe cryket is a day behind Feb 20 14:28:54 wow. road was slippery. almost went into the ditch Feb 20 14:30:05 cyrket has the rating right, and their little chart shows the right number of ratings per star. But the actual ratings should be 2-stars and 1-star instead of 3 and 2 stars. Feb 20 14:33:50 you lost me Feb 20 14:33:56 not enough coffee yet... Feb 20 14:34:43 whats your plan? Feb 20 14:35:27 the two ratings that are not 5 stars. One shows 2 stars the other shows 3 stars in cryket. In the catalog they show 1 star and 2 stars. Feb 20 14:35:35 plan for what? Feb 20 14:36:01 new release of Time Tracker in app catalog... Feb 20 14:38:05 bill my time? Feb 20 14:38:14 Time Tracker Feb 20 14:40:29 my pre is down right now Feb 20 14:40:43 cant find time tracker on cyrket Feb 20 14:41:21 http://www.cyrket.com/p/palm/de.reinform.timetracker/ Feb 20 14:41:24 TimeTracker Feb 20 14:42:03 yup Feb 20 14:42:05 looking good Feb 20 14:42:13 gotta get my updates dones Feb 20 14:50:02 can't decide if I should work on app or website today. Feb 20 14:50:19 both Feb 20 14:50:30 oooh...good plan. Feb 20 14:52:01 gonna shut down for a bit. headed to the offic.e Feb 20 14:53:43 c u l8r Feb 20 15:07:29 and he's back. Feb 20 15:11:59 that was fast Feb 20 15:12:18 u ever setup a button listener in a list using the name not the id? Feb 20 15:12:56 a button? or a listener on a div? Feb 20 15:13:37 a button Feb 20 15:13:45 a mojo button? Feb 20 15:13:45 well, image Feb 20 15:13:56 no not mojo button Feb 20 15:14:02 Myles has the drawer icon Feb 20 15:14:05 in a list Feb 20 15:14:10 tap the icon, drawer opens. Feb 20 15:14:12 like that? Feb 20 15:14:25 lemme go look Feb 20 15:15:20 is the drawer icon in the itemtemplate or list divider? Feb 20 15:15:38 template Feb 20 15:15:56 and how do you capture the tap and handle it? Feb 20 15:16:04 listen to the listTap Feb 20 15:16:22 if event.originalEvent.target = 'myIcon' Feb 20 15:16:30 ok, mine doesnt show to be in the list Feb 20 15:16:43 its in the divider so it says just mojo-tap Feb 20 15:17:20 collapsible dividers - haven't touched them. Feb 20 15:17:26 :) Feb 20 15:17:28 dont ever.. Feb 20 15:17:34 that's what I hear. Feb 20 15:17:51 what'r you trying to do? Feb 20 15:18:09 you know the project and edit account icons in my app Feb 20 15:18:15 one set per customer? Feb 20 15:18:20 is there javascript for "Make the first letter of this string capital" ? Feb 20 15:18:25 yes Feb 20 15:18:41 trying to add another button there Feb 20 15:32:25 I have a palm pre which syncs calendars with google Feb 20 15:32:40 the google calendar events all have the correct times, but the phone seems to be about 3 hours off Feb 20 15:34:55 oh, they're inconsistant Feb 20 15:35:05 some events are one hour late, some are 5 hours late, some are ontime Feb 20 15:46:05 nn7, is your google calendar timezone setting OK? Feb 20 15:59:38 haeffb: it is set to my current time zone Feb 20 15:59:42 my local time zone Feb 20 16:01:53 nn7, i'm noticing all kinds of sync issues with google calendars and contacts of late Feb 20 16:02:04 email works still thankfully though Feb 20 16:03:01 i opted out of buzz, that seemed to help Feb 20 16:03:19 :) Feb 20 16:07:50 ops, whats the clean proper way to get info (topic) of specific channels? Feb 20 16:08:11 oh.. should have googled before Feb 20 16:08:19 there's lots of people having these issues Feb 20 16:08:26 sry wrong window Feb 20 16:14:03 hola Feb 20 16:14:39 i have inclination to believe that webos 1.4 was pushed back to resolve the seemingly broken google api Feb 20 16:15:05 what broken api? Feb 20 16:15:57 google contacts & calendar are not functioning properly. contacts that were blocked or deleted years ago have suddenly been appearing on phones since google pushed buzz Feb 20 16:16:16 with absolutely zero trace of them in google.com/contacts Feb 20 16:16:35 hmmm. didn't even know you could block "contacts" Feb 20 16:16:44 yep Feb 20 16:16:58 this worked fine until buzz came out forcefully Feb 20 16:17:31 everyone was linked on the backend, google contacts flaws became apparent and without users permission to link eachother, there is now an investigation into privacy rights Feb 20 16:18:22 its obvious google is working on the user/contacts db .. and i personally suspect synergy/webos 1.4 update had to adjust timeline as such Feb 20 16:19:13 i took a screenshot yesterday of google contacts... there were 18 in my ALL list, but the All section had 19 beside it Feb 20 16:19:40 this is after i deleted everyone and selectively added back ones i needed manually Feb 20 16:19:58 but, i was still opt'ed in google buzz, i since opted out Feb 20 16:20:13 now i will try to re-erase/add my contacts manually and try again Feb 20 16:22:06 if I have multiple textbox inputs do I need to setup a handler for each one? Feb 20 16:22:22 or is there a way to share the handler Feb 20 16:50:59 hi doc Feb 20 16:51:22 reality9110: did you get the popup list working? Feb 20 16:57:29 how do you guys debug your applications? Feb 20 16:57:57 do you use the novaterm debug command or something that actually works? Feb 20 16:58:22 mojo.log.info Feb 20 16:59:24 I've put logs all over my code, but my code is in a loop for no reason...i was hoping to be able to set a breakpoint and see the callstack Feb 20 17:00:04 for some reason, neither the eclipse nor command line debug are working for me Feb 20 17:01:01 I hear the Ares debugger works well, but haven't tried it. Feb 20 17:02:16 i need something that can debug on the device...the emulator doesn't seem to simulate some of the inner-actions that the device has Feb 20 17:02:43 they're throwing my code off some, because of different events happening Feb 20 17:03:28 I may move to ares for my next app Feb 20 17:03:28 do you know how to use the command-line debugger? Feb 20 17:03:38 nah, haven't messed with it. Feb 20 17:03:46 i couldn't find a tutorial, just a list of commands. Feb 20 17:04:03 maybe something on webosinternals? Feb 20 17:04:06 it seems it'd be okay if it'd recognize i was debugging an app. Feb 20 17:04:15 cool, i'll go look at it Feb 20 17:13:22 Chriswebos: i try to make use of the inspector as much as I can Feb 20 17:13:54 does it help with debugging? Feb 20 17:14:13 didn't find anything on webosinternals Feb 20 17:14:40 hi Feb 20 17:20:12 VincentLaw: should i be able to bring up the inspector from the novaterm command line using palm-launch -i? Feb 20 17:20:30 not the inspector, but the app? Feb 20 17:21:45 nevermind...used the cmd prompt Feb 20 17:22:24 inspector just looks at the html/css Feb 20 17:23:12 yeah, i see...i was hoping it'd at least do something...however, i just get the "Disconnected" prompt... Feb 20 17:25:16 does anyone know how to bring up the debugger? I know how to start it and set a break point, but it doesn't seem as though it's noticing my app run Feb 20 17:25:44 i'm assuming i'm supposed to run my app from the debugger, but haven't found docs showing how Feb 20 17:27:15 Chriswebos: Writing WebOS apps doesn't entail a whole lot of debugging. The tools available for it are very very weak. Feb 20 17:27:40 Your best bet is to write and test. If something doesn't work, rewrite it. Feb 20 17:28:35 Make use of Mojo.Log.info and Mojo.Log.error through out your code and then follow it with tail -f /var/log/messages Feb 20 17:38:51 I cannot seem to get my app to close by calling a function from an external file, not the assistant Feb 20 17:39:30 did you pass the scene controller to the external file? Feb 20 17:40:18 I believe I need to pass the app controller. Feb 20 17:40:35 depends on how you're doing it I suppose Feb 20 17:41:20 http://webos.pastebin.com/d3d6db4a4 This is what I'm calling Feb 20 17:55:33 reality9110: do you need ' ' around the function (){...} ? Feb 20 17:56:32 var appController = Mojo.Controller.getAppController(); <-- that won't work in external js Feb 20 17:56:50 i don't believe, at least Feb 20 17:57:56 I'd make a call from the stage controller, into a function in your external js, passing this.controller into the function, and setting it in the external js Feb 20 17:58:08 thats what I did when I needed to do things with my scene in the external js Feb 20 18:00:11 VincentLaw: That definitely works in an external js Feb 20 18:00:29 k then I'm wrong, but I had trouble doing it that way for me :/ Feb 20 18:00:36 The Mojo.Controller.getAppController() thing Feb 20 18:01:30 I use that function already in the same external JS file to fire up the ad display box Feb 20 18:26:10 hi Feb 20 18:33:08 hey metaview Feb 20 18:54:32 hi everyone Feb 20 18:54:42 hi Yatharth Feb 20 18:55:45 When i am trying to delete a record from my 'Donor' table the following error is coming: Error was no such table: main.Donation (Code 1)... Feb 20 18:56:07 Can you tell me what does this error mean?? Feb 20 18:56:50 in your sql cmannd you use a table name which is wrong? Feb 20 18:56:56 Actually there was a table named donation in my database but it no longer exist Feb 20 18:57:17 var sql = "DELETE from 'Donor' where donor_id=?"; Feb 20 18:57:34 this is the sql statement which i am using Feb 20 18:58:33 Do you know whats the meaning of main in main.Donation? Feb 20 18:58:59 no Feb 20 18:59:19 it looks like it is trying to execute something differen Feb 20 18:59:21 t Feb 20 18:59:31 hmmm Feb 20 19:00:19 remove the app from the device, remove the ipk and try it again Feb 20 19:01:19 U mean this:com.mystuff.hello_1.0.0_all.ipk Feb 20 19:01:28 should i delete it? Feb 20 19:01:34 yes Feb 20 19:01:39 Ok Feb 20 19:01:51 done Feb 20 19:01:53 now? Feb 20 19:01:54 try everything to ensure it is running your current code Feb 20 19:02:05 deleted from the device/emu? Feb 20 19:02:30 how to delete it from the device/emu? Feb 20 19:02:51 red key and then tap it Feb 20 19:03:07 on emu it is ALT IIRC Feb 20 19:04:17 i dint get you...Which red key?where it is? Feb 20 19:04:34 on your Pre's keyboard Feb 20 19:05:20 orange Feb 20 19:05:56 well, orange, but even then, the only key which would have some kind of red with it :) Feb 20 19:06:35 where i still dint find any... Feb 20 19:06:48 you mean on the palm emulator? Feb 20 19:06:49 do you havea Pre? Feb 20 19:06:58 no the emu: alt-key Feb 20 19:07:09 or what ever, read the manual, please Feb 20 19:08:56 i have the palm sdk emulator....on which i am running my application.. Feb 20 19:10:37 so in that emulator where is the button you are talking about? Feb 20 19:11:00 alt-key Feb 20 19:11:12 * MetaView repeats itslef Feb 20 19:13:17 Yatharth, goto the launcher (grey ball with an arrow on it), then goto the Launcher app menu (top left of the screen) then goto List applications (i think thats the menu item) then select the app, it should prompt you to delete Feb 20 19:13:29 hi all Feb 20 19:13:30 or hold the alt key and tap the application icon in the launcher Feb 20 19:14:31 jenp Feb 20 19:14:40 morning haeffb! Feb 20 19:19:15 MetaView,dawn:Thanx alot Feb 20 19:19:21 its running now Feb 20 19:19:23 what is the widget (or menu) that lets me create a menu just like the one at the bottom of the calendar app? best way i can describe it is "pill menu" Feb 20 19:19:25 :) Feb 20 19:20:08 the commandMenu is not quite what im looking for... i want a pill menu. Feb 20 19:20:52 pill menu? Feb 20 19:21:04 what is it doing? Feb 20 19:21:09 need to check Feb 20 19:22:01 cobalt027: that is a command Menu Feb 20 19:22:04 another example is in the clock app. the clock/alarm toggle on the bottom. Feb 20 19:22:20 it's a command menu with toggleCmd Feb 20 19:22:21 when i do that, i get seperate elements. i want them grouped together Feb 20 19:22:25 ah Feb 20 19:22:25 ok Feb 20 19:22:44 you need to group all your items together in the model for command menu Feb 20 19:22:55 just a sec, I'll paste a sample Feb 20 19:22:59 yes, command menu with toggle Feb 20 19:23:41 http://www.pastie.org/834454 Feb 20 19:24:26 that will get you something like in the first screenshot here: http://www.cyrket.com/p/palm/com.tigers.app.myles/ Feb 20 19:25:04 ah yes. Feb 20 19:32:44 haeffb: aweomse. thanks. can it be centered? Feb 20 19:33:20 if you only have one group, it will be centered Feb 20 19:38:07 haeffb: http://www.pastie.org/834480 Feb 20 19:38:17 its not centering. what obvious thing am i missing? Feb 20 19:38:42 toggleCmd should be one of the commands in your items array Feb 20 19:39:01 oh, wait. there's more required to center as well. Feb 20 19:41:24 try this: http://www.pastie.org/834487 Feb 20 19:41:38 you need to have an empty group on either side to get it centered Feb 20 19:45:47 * haeffb going mobile. bbl. Feb 20 19:51:18 haeffb_wirc: your paste was not quite right, but it put me on the right track. thanks! Feb 20 20:21:24 hey all Feb 20 20:22:47 hey slaw Feb 20 20:34:23 anyone know if you can have a submenu in a popup menu? If so do you have an example? Feb 20 20:38:10 pretty sure you can. no example tho Feb 20 20:38:52 but for one of your items, include an items with the submenu items. Feb 20 20:39:41 haeffb: hey, thanks again. Feb 20 20:40:39 how about a submenu in a submenu in a drawer in a list....lol...jk Feb 20 20:41:24 cobalt027: no problem. sorry it wasn't right, I was just going off the top o' my head. Feb 20 20:41:42 jfelectron: will have example in a min Feb 20 20:41:52 you had the right idea, just the wrong code. i did have to insert empty nodes on either side of the real items. Feb 20 20:42:04 haeffb: I think I see how to do it...but if you have one handy...cool Feb 20 20:42:06 right Feb 20 20:43:31 morning Feb 20 20:44:05 since Apple is cracking down on porn shouldn't they pull safari too :) ? Feb 20 20:44:07 jfelectron: http://www.pastie.org/834562 Feb 20 20:44:24 easy peasy Feb 20 20:45:48 haeffb: yeah...but I don't see any of your items with the submenu string set Feb 20 20:46:06 don't need a submenu string... ? Feb 20 20:46:26 just one of your items has items Feb 20 20:46:27 you know like the submenu thing in the edit menu... Feb 20 20:46:48 try what I pasted. it works. Feb 20 20:47:06 OK..will do thanks Feb 20 20:53:21 hi everyone Feb 20 20:54:20 man the emu networking under OS X is crappy....randomly stops working Feb 20 20:54:22 [20100221-02:21:22.590750] error: EXCEPTION [exception during animation], (TypeError): "Cannot call method 'animate' of undefined"...........Can anyone tell whats the meaning of this error?? Feb 20 20:54:53 Yatharth: what's being animated? Drawer? Scrolling?.... Feb 20 20:55:02 nothing Feb 20 20:55:21 oh nothing explicit.....something the framework is handling then Feb 20 20:55:26 i am just inserting a record using text boxes and a command button Feb 20 20:55:39 hmm Feb 20 20:55:48 are you adding or removing elements dynamically? Feb 20 20:55:56 No...... Feb 20 20:56:18 you get that error on the scene push? Feb 20 20:57:26 No after i click the button for saving the recprd Feb 20 20:57:29 *record Feb 20 21:01:37 well the style on the command menu is animated between its default class and the selected one and back again Feb 20 21:01:52 are you using default classes or custom ones? Feb 20 21:06:59 hey i just got disconnected Feb 20 21:07:29 i am using default classes only Feb 20 21:08:54 anyone have experience with the download manager? What directories do apps have write access to? Feb 20 21:09:47 jfelectron:So do you why that error was coming? Feb 20 21:10:35 not specifically......something the framework is trying to animate is failing....is your command handler being called before the error? Feb 20 21:15:28 tibfib Feb 20 21:15:32 whixh command handler are you talking? Feb 20 21:16:06 well you said you're seeing the error when you click on some button that initiates the query to store the record right? Feb 20 21:16:15 you mentioned a command menu... Feb 20 21:16:27 yes Feb 20 21:17:09 after i click that save button that errors comes Feb 20 21:17:38 error: null Feb 20 21:17:52 this error is also coming after that error Feb 20 21:20:14 is the event passing through handleCommand ? Feb 20 21:24:04 yes Feb 20 21:24:36 should i paste it in pastie? Feb 20 21:52:39 is it possible to style individual items in a list selector? Feb 20 21:52:56 Yatharth1: sure...I can try to help you...not that I did that last night :/ Feb 20 21:55:38 Yatharth1: crazy...I'm seeing the exact same error....do you have a spinner by any chance? Feb 20 23:00:14 heyo Feb 20 23:01:38 if anyone sees swisstomcat online, tell him i sent over the icons Feb 20 23:03:36 jfelectron:no i dont have any spinner in my application... Feb 20 23:04:12 hmm...I had some other errors in my code. The animate error is just because the framework starts to bail on previous errors Feb 20 23:13:57 sup LoneStar99 Feb 20 23:18:19 hmmm Feb 20 23:19:40 jfelectrom:the errors which are coming in my code are due the reason that With asynchronous database methods,we can really screw things up if we try to do too many transacations in rapid succession. Feb 20 23:20:28 howdy codeslaw Feb 20 23:20:59 Yatharth1: yeah...the asynch nature of things can be a real pain sometimes Feb 20 23:20:59 Yatharth1: you'll get better performance out of making one very large transaction vs. tons of small ones Feb 20 23:21:10 and reduce asynch problems Feb 20 23:27:33 hi all Feb 20 23:27:51 hey Feb 20 23:28:18 hey codeslaw how ya doing? Feb 20 23:28:31 not bad, you? Feb 20 23:28:40 anyone know what you specify as the domain when getting a google maps API key for mobile apps? Feb 20 23:28:42 very well Feb 20 23:29:11 codeslaw:but if i want to create 8 triggers at time how can i do so for better performance? Feb 20 23:29:40 each trigger requires it's own DB entry? Feb 20 23:29:51 yes Feb 20 23:30:22 do a single mutliple insert Feb 20 23:30:48 How? Feb 20 23:31:34 INSERT INTO Triggers (val1, val2) VALUES ("trig", 1), ("trig", 2), ("trig", 3) Feb 20 23:32:20 codeslaw:i want to create multiple triggers.... Feb 20 23:34:24 aahhh ya Feb 20 23:34:41 well, i take it that only needs to happen once Feb 20 23:35:06 ya Feb 20 23:36:51 then you don't need to worry about grouping into 1 for performance reasons Feb 20 23:37:01 just set them up to 8 sequentially Feb 20 23:37:12 execute* Feb 20 23:37:55 grr Feb 20 23:38:11 why is onFailure getting called right after onSuccess gets called.. Feb 20 23:38:19 how can it succeed and fail Feb 20 23:42:13 hello JenP Feb 20 23:42:25 hey LoneStar99 how's it going? Feb 20 23:44:09 good. coding and drinking cappuccino beer Feb 20 23:44:25 cappuccino beer? Feb 20 23:44:30 how is everything in SD? Feb 20 23:44:41 nice...it rained...so it's so beautiful Feb 20 23:45:00 yeah some brew which kinda tastes like coffee Feb 20 23:45:16 very interesting Feb 20 23:45:41 yeah, no big deal Feb 20 23:46:00 hmm...how's the coding going? Feb 20 23:46:37 it is coming along, need to debug, and fix a few thing, hopefully can release it tommoororow Feb 20 23:46:53 which app? Feb 20 23:47:58 a search/ color app Feb 20 23:49:46 also may release a new update to "app cat search" with suggestive search Feb 20 23:53:04 a code that jfelectron altered for mojo Feb 20 23:53:31 oh that's cool Feb 20 23:53:39 jfelectrons really bright Feb 20 23:53:47 yeah Feb 20 23:55:08 what are u up 2? Feb 20 23:55:33 i'm working on this upgrade verification script bmyers showed me Feb 20 23:57:27 what does the code do? Feb 20 23:59:35 JenP, i have one, but i just had an idea to use the rss feed.. Feb 20 23:59:42 so im trying that out ;p Feb 21 00:00:01 fetch the feed, sort it down to the app, and compare the versions Feb 21 00:00:20 dawm, lonestar99...it's so cool! Feb 21 00:00:31 it goes to your server checks if it's the latest version Feb 21 00:00:40 yah mine does that Feb 21 00:00:42 and registers the phones id Feb 21 00:01:50 oh nice, have something similar, execpt forgot to enable it on two apps =( Feb 21 00:02:10 forgot to remove comment tags... Feb 21 00:02:11 the problem with using the rss feed is.. its a big download just to grab info Feb 21 00:02:39 ive got a php script on my server that lets the app know if theres a new version or not, then it prompts the user Feb 21 00:02:42 dawm: what is the rss feed from? does it have pagination? Feb 21 00:03:04 LoneStar99, the rss feed is one big ass xml/rss file that has all the apps in the catalog Feb 21 00:03:29 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1844 Feb 21 00:04:39 oh yeah, that is huge, Feb 21 00:04:48 what are u trying to do with it? Feb 21 00:04:57 nothing now after i realized its big ;p Feb 21 00:05:11 was gonna let the rss feed determine if the app had a new version Feb 21 00:05:27 ill just stick to editting my latest_version.txt file on my server ;p Feb 21 00:06:18 might be able to help you out, i have a xml feed of the app catalog, streamlined... Feb 21 00:06:35 no need, what i have works and is simple and practically transparent Feb 21 00:06:52 ill get back to working on bonus pieces for the game Feb 21 00:07:04 k Feb 21 00:22:04 anyone know about a boxing match tonight? Feb 21 00:52:17 wow Feb 21 00:52:22 what an insane setting Feb 21 00:52:39 7x7@5 = uber scores, im up to 73,715 so far ;p Feb 21 00:54:18 n8 Feb 21 01:20:28 jfelectron: will try to get to your code today Feb 21 01:20:52 Ok...let me know if you have questions Feb 21 01:22:27 LoneStar99: I modified handleEnter as follows: http://www.pastie.org/834875 Feb 21 01:23:03 LoneStar99: actually let me just send you the new one, because I made of number of mods that make things smoother Feb 21 01:23:25 me too! Feb 21 01:25:58 ok thanks Feb 21 01:26:59 LoneStar99: here's the updated stuff. Its not a standalone app anymore so I had to just c and p from my app: http://www.pastie.org/834878 Feb 21 01:28:07 I got rid of the little x links that were added to each tag that gets added to the box because they were too small for touch. handleEnter is setup such that selecting tag and hitting backspace key (delete in emu) deletes the tag Feb 21 01:31:53 ok great thanks Feb 21 01:32:11 would like to get to it tonight Feb 21 01:35:08 it works great. If you can configure your API to return JSON then you can pull down the autosuggest data from the cloud. Feb 21 01:37:31 yeah got dynamic xml to json converter Feb 21 01:37:34 hey guys Feb 21 01:38:23 BMyers_: wut up? Feb 21 01:39:01 hey haeffb Feb 21 01:39:17 you're not sleeping, getting coffee or at mcdonalds? Feb 21 01:39:24 you're just haeffb Feb 21 01:39:29 lol Feb 21 01:39:58 i gotta do a .get and .show in a sub method of a scene Feb 21 01:40:13 and included js Feb 21 01:40:32 $() doesnt do it Feb 21 01:40:40 this.controller.get doesnt do it Feb 21 01:40:58 i thought this would but no go Feb 21 01:40:59 var appController = Mojo.Controller.getAppController(); Feb 21 01:40:59 var stageController = appController.getStageController(); Feb 21 01:40:59 var buttonToggleElement = stageController.get("GoUpdateId"); Feb 21 01:40:59 buttonToggleElement.show(); Feb 21 01:41:30 document.getelementbyID didnt do it Feb 21 01:41:52 pass a ref to the controller to the function Feb 21 01:42:05 anyone know if I can use a 0.0 - 1.0 range on the slider? Feb 21 01:42:07 yeah, it's ajax async calls Feb 21 01:42:37 Bmeyrs: or do that=this and use that Feb 21 01:42:59 or do joe=this and use joe Feb 21 01:43:10 yeah but how do i get "that" done thru all the success handlers of the ajax calls? Feb 21 01:43:18 s/done/down Feb 21 01:43:26 Bmyers: are you binding your handlers? Feb 21 01:43:32 think so Feb 21 01:43:45 you should be able to bind all the nested functions to the scene's this Feb 21 01:44:00 that or joe is global Feb 21 01:44:11 i tried passing this into the call Feb 21 01:44:19 and then used this.assistant Feb 21 01:44:22 and then did Feb 21 01:44:27 this.assistant.get Feb 21 01:44:33 didnt work tho Feb 21 01:44:49 this.assistant = thisl Feb 21 01:44:52 this.assistant = this; Feb 21 01:45:02 in the constructor.. Feb 21 01:45:02 this.assistant.controller.get Feb 21 01:45:13 wait so you have onSuccess: function(){}.bind(this) ? Feb 21 01:45:31 pretty sure they are all that way. Feb 21 01:45:51 yup Feb 21 01:45:53 they are Feb 21 01:45:58 this is in setup or initialize? Feb 21 01:46:03 init Feb 21 01:46:09 controller doesn't exist yet Feb 21 01:46:14 :) Feb 21 01:46:20 no. Feb 21 01:46:28 not doing .get there Feb 21 01:46:33 but you Feb 21 01:46:40 but you're binding there Feb 21 01:46:49 ah Feb 21 01:46:53 i c Feb 21 01:47:29 isnt there a Mojo.stageController.something().get call i can use? Feb 21 01:48:17 stageController.document Feb 21 01:48:23 or even document.getElementById Feb 21 01:48:32 i thought that would do it Feb 21 01:48:55 this isn't a multistage app is it Feb 21 01:48:56 ? Feb 21 01:49:02 no Feb 21 01:49:28 document global should reference properly....hmmmm Feb 21 01:49:38 let me try it harder.. Feb 21 01:50:15 I don't try to understand scoping anymore....just find what works ;) Feb 21 01:50:25 Mojo.AppController.getActiveStageController() .activeScene() Feb 21 01:50:41 .get() Feb 21 01:50:58 yes. that.. lemme plug that in Feb 21 01:51:31 but I really try to avoid using the Mojo .stuff in my apps Feb 21 01:51:34 not sure why Feb 21 01:51:48 yeah, got get some nuggets or something.. Feb 21 01:51:53 i'll be back :) Feb 21 01:51:55 I thin binding doesn't work in init because when the controller gets appended its really creating a new object and the old reference doesn't point to it Feb 21 01:52:37 just had my special pulled pork/slaw sandwich for dinner. Feb 21 01:53:18 TypeError: Cannot call method 'get' of undefined Feb 21 01:54:28 no wait a sec Feb 21 01:54:40 Cannot call method 'getActiveStageController' of undefined Feb 21 01:54:52 still had the old .get call in there the first time Feb 21 01:55:51 haeffb: do you know how the palm apps authenticate with google and yahoo services? Feb 21 01:56:01 nope Feb 21 01:56:07 haeffb: thought you might have poked around there Feb 21 01:56:15 someday Feb 21 01:56:31 well, I have copied some code that does a google auth Feb 21 01:56:37 got it Feb 21 01:56:38 is there a javascript shortcut to round the following "0.2829" to "0.28"? Feb 21 01:56:53 haeffb: OAuth? Feb 21 01:56:55 something like math.round Feb 21 01:57:25 http://www.javascriptkit.com/javatutors/round.shtml Feb 21 01:57:31 you multiply, round and then divide Feb 21 01:57:44 you could overload round to do that transparently Feb 21 01:57:47 jfelectron: http://www.pastie.org/834907 Feb 21 01:57:51 no, not OAuth. Feb 21 01:58:10 thanks Feb 21 01:58:12 just get an auth token from a google username & pwd Feb 21 01:58:17 haeffb: damn....so people really just send the pw urlencoded as plain text? Feb 21 01:58:37 that is what that code does. Feb 21 01:58:59 yes...I just felt wierd about sending ppl's passwords as plain-text Feb 21 01:59:07 I know how to do the urlencoding Feb 21 02:00:12 I just copied that code from someone else...haven't actually looked at google apis yet. Feb 21 02:00:38 well they support Oauth...but unless you have a webservice endpoint you its a no go Feb 21 02:01:00 the OAuth handshake protocol requires a url callback to which it send the token Feb 21 02:02:45 does it? Feb 21 02:02:51 my other way there? Feb 21 02:03:03 ah, dont worry about it Feb 21 02:03:08 it's not YOUR password.. Feb 21 02:03:10 :) Feb 21 02:04:00 haeffb: do you have this invention called a kitchen in your house? Feb 21 02:04:24 you go out for coffee much less cook food.. Feb 21 02:04:24 the other webservice that I've dealt with uses an md5 hash of userid & pwd Feb 21 02:04:33 Hey, I cooked the pulled pork Feb 21 02:04:41 o, well excuse me.. Feb 21 02:04:46 and made coleslaw from scratch Feb 21 02:04:56 smoked the pork last fall, heated in the oven Feb 21 02:04:59 toasted buns. Feb 21 02:05:12 I just don't have a cappucino machine here. Feb 21 02:05:17 sesame seeds? Feb 21 02:05:20 :) Feb 21 02:05:24 not this time. Feb 21 02:05:40 now i'm hungry.. have to run out for something.. Feb 21 02:05:55 toated buns, pulled pork, slaw & pampered chef's ginger wasabi sauce == AWESOME! Feb 21 02:08:20 md5 is a little better, but easily reversed throgh brute-force if you know its MD5 Feb 21 02:09:37 If using MD5, the best thing is to request a challenge without credentials or with just a username and then respond with a hash of that challenge with some pre-determined formula with the password to authenticate Feb 21 02:12:23 I guess I could implement an OAuth proxy on GAE like this: http://gdatatips.blogspot.com/2009/04/oauth-in-google-app-engine.html Feb 21 02:14:29 python? Feb 21 02:18:59 well GAE supports python and java...but I know Python so I'd use that Feb 21 02:20:37 just draw a vector palm pre on an easel Feb 21 02:20:42 drew* Feb 21 02:22:03 somewhere else tho right JF? not on the device. Feb 21 02:22:47 BMyers_: Yes....google app enginer is google's cloud computing platform Feb 21 02:23:19 I was considering using it for some other stuff anyway...so I might as well use it as an OAuth proxy....its free until you cross certain CPU and bandwidth limits Feb 21 02:27:44 Hi everyone, has someone had problems running Ares on Chromium on Ubuntu? Feb 21 02:31:57 If I use Ares on Firefox, the text editor works correctly, but on Chromium the text editor gets messed up :( Feb 21 02:38:23 webos-internals booth in full swing: http://twitpic.com/14g36r Feb 21 02:50:54 rwhitby: great pic! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Feb 21 02:59:57 2010